The Flash S03E01 'Flashpoint' Post Episode Discussion

well that was pretty shit

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ehh?/10

This episode wasn't BAD, but it did feel really pointless. They could have started the season from next week's and have the changes there be a result of last season's finale.

I honestly don't get why Barry didn't want to stay in this episode's timeline, everything was great for him.

>>86744607
SPPEDFORCE

>>86744607
magnegro link when

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See y'all tomorrow :)

>>86744607

>Rate the season 3 premiere

2/10 and the 2 was for Thawne's lines.

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>>86744607
>Rate the season 3 premiere

"goddamnit Barry" out of 10

>reverse flash brought himself back to life

I'm loving this.

>>86744607
11/10
BARRY KEKED AGAIN

>>86744607
7/10

I enjoyed it, but had a couple problems. The bits with Iris at the end I thought were bad. With here feeling something was missing and then suddenly realising she loves Barry. I seem to recall being bothered by something else whilst watching too, but I can't remember what.

>>86744637
>I honestly don't get why Barry didn't want to stay in this episode's timeline, everything was great for him.
he did want to stay, but his memories were basically being overwritten and wally was pretty much on the path to death.

The fuck do you people need, this was a good episode

>Barry still needs "I beleeb in you bear" talk despite being the flash for 2 years now

7/10

Felt awkward, to be honest. And kind of a let done considering that S2's finale built this up as a huge deal.

I *do* like that the next episode(s) will deal with the aftermath of Barry fucking with the timeline. That's nice.

*insert shitpost here*

Can someone explain the last scene with the mirror?

>>86744645
ha that's what you think not even based Dolph is getting me to watch Arrow again

>>86744660
KEKED

>>86744607
7/10
strong return with Wally and RF
not a complete reset, but not sure where they're going with it
still entertaining to watch

>>86744637

Losing all his memories in favor of something that may not even be the same?

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REACTION GUYS WHERE

>>86744607
6/10
Only enjoyed Thawne parts. Everything else was meh.

http://www.strawpoll.me/11366206

>>86744669
not really It felt like an Arrow ep which isn't good

>>86744682
Mirror Master + Doc Alchemy working together, dunno who the fuck the guy they woke up is tho

>>86744701

put Rival, Reverse-Flash, Flash, and Kid Flash

>>86744637
Because he was losing his memories and powers and Wally was dying so there would be no flash at all.

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>>86744607
I enjoyed the premiere. I know most are going to be mad that Flashpoint was one episode, but I think that's a good thing, and the timeline isn't properly set yet anyway. My main gripe is where the fuck was Cavanagh?

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I'm not quite understanding. Didn't Barry just trade one life (Wally's) for two lives (his parents)? That seems like a pretty bad trade. Everything else in the timeline seemed fine.

Am I missing something or is it just bad writing?

>>86744669
* Clariss was a bad villain

* Repeatedly making Wally into "Kid Flash" was just stupid. Like, why would he suddenly be Kid Flash now that Barry is there?

The episode had its flaws, m8. Thawne doesn't fix everything.

>>86744648
Barry did nothing wrong/10

>>86744721
It was The Rival, stupid.

>>86744721
Clariss, the black Reverse Flash

>>86744721
>>86744682
Its the Clariss/Rival
You know, the guy who was the villain this whole episode?

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I TOLD YOU!

links?

>>86744729

Cavanaugh was probably happy to have his wife, same reason Caitlyn was an eye doctor

>>86744701
Yes please.

We need them back.

Did anyone else notice how fucking big Lescher looked in the RF costume when he showed up in front of Nora?

>>86744736
>Am I missing something

yes you ass fuck

he was losing his memory of his past life and Thawne said he would eventually lose his speed powers once the new timeline permanently set

>>86744736
Nope. Not a thing. Also Eddie is probably fine in that timeline.

>>86744736
Wally's a hero. He's going to save way more lives than a doctor and whatever Barry's mom does. His life is more valuable than two people.

Bad? Nah. Underwhelming though.

And they kept hyping it up as "Flashpoint" but there was nothing like Flashpoint about it at all. I'm not saying I actually liked Flashpoint but if you're going to use the name for a Flash story then try and make it actually like the thing.

How the fuck does wellsobard work now?
Unless reverse went back after dropping Barry off which wouldn't make sense.

>>86744736
Barry is retarded

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UPCOMING EPISODES

2. Paradox (October 11, 2016)
>Barry realizes that the effects from Flashpoint are much greater than he thought. Barry also meets new co-worker Julian Albert (Tom Felton) and is surprised by Julian’s immediate disdain for him.

3. Magenta (October 18, 2016)
>Barry and his team are thrilled to reunite with Earth-2's Wells and Jesse. Wells confides to Barry and Caitlin that Jesse has become a speedster and has been saving people on his Earth. He is concerned about her safety and wants them to talk her out of using her powers. Meanwhile, Frankie Kane (Joey King), a meta-human able to control metal who has developed a malevolent split personality known as "Magenta" to seek revenge on those who wrong her, terrorizes the city.

4. Title Unknown
>Barry faces a pair of meta-human criminals, Mirror Master (Grey Damon) and The Top (Ashley Rickards), who aspire to take control of Central City, which also puts them in conflict with Captain Cold (Wentworth Miller).

5. Monster
>Barry confronts a new enemy. Meanwhile, Caitlin is forced to face her past when her estranged mother, renowed bioengineer Dr. Carla Tanhauser (Susan Walters), unexpectedly arrives in Central City.

6. Title Unknown
>Barry investigates a mysterious cult operating in Central City, while Caitlin struggles with the repercussions of her mother's return.

7. Killer Frost
>Barry faces his greatest challenge yet when two new enemies with equally sinister agendas make their presences felt: Savitar and Doctor Alchemy. Meanwhile, Caitlin struggles with difficult decisions.

8. Title Unknown
>Barry joins forces with Green Arrow, Supergirl and the Legends of Tomorrow to face mavolent extraterrestrials known as "The Dominators".

>>86744669

If by good you mean nails on a chalkboard, then yeah it was stellar.

>>86744753
>>86744763
I was watching stream so the image was kinda dark too dark to recognize the guy

But if Barry already beat him in Flashpoint, wouldn't he be useless here?

>>86744738
>suddenly be Kid Flash
Iris mentioned that she called him Kid Flash before then. And since they had a prior relationship with Cisco, it makes sense for him to call Wally that too. The Rival still called Wally The Flash though.

>>86744627
No wonder they wanted to keep the universes separate. There'd be no hackneyed drama in a CWverse with Superman in it.

All they'd have to do is get a god-tier peptalk

Very important question: How many Grodds have been dumped to Earth-2 by this point, because those timelines would technically be separate right? Or does each iteration of Earth-1 have its own Earth-2?

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>>86744780
But consider this: Who cares?
If his memories were replaced with this new timeline he'd have happier memories and he really doesn't need his speed since the Star Labs explosion never occurred. So why would it matter?

>>86744736
Wally would be dead and Barry wouldnt have his powers so no hero to save Central City.
His folks are supposed to die not Wally. Plus Joe was a drunk and Caitlin was a nobody.(thats not unusual tho)
Only Cisco was kinda good but those rich types never are.

>>86744810
not if he has help from alchemy/mirror master/savitar

>>86744795
Remember that Thawne shouldn't even exist at all after Eddie died in season 1, but he still did. They explained it as "his personal timeline" or something like that.

He's a walking paradox and that's the point.

>>86744810
Barry already beat Thawne in like four timelines. Yet he's still useful.

>>86744799
>Jesse Thick is back

>>86744810
No, he didnt beat him in this timeline so it doesnt matter

>>86744736
Did they say Wally was going to die?

When do former selves vanish and when do they become time remnants?

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>>86744799
>7. Killer Frost
>Mirror Master

It's official. I'm hype.

http://www.openload.cc/f/4rCSDqdZBpQ/the.flash.2014.301.hdtv-lol.mkv


BAM!

>>86744669
Only 5% of people here actually like the show and are't shitposting autists.

>>86744836
Because there will be no Flash and Barry would still have the memory of getting Wally killed.

>>86744865
No, but his wounds weren't healing fast BECAUSE REASONS.

>>86744826
Someone draw a picture of these fucking timelines, I can't make any godamn sense of them.

>>86744888

>Anyone not saying that trash episode was anything greater than a 5/10 is shitposting

If only mongs like you weren't so sensitivie

>>86744891
But The Rival was dead and do we even know if there are other metas? The accelerator explosion never happened.

>>86744761

>Barry's memories aren't overwritten anymore even though he didn't return to that original time line
Is this just speed force bullshit or is there another explanation?

Torrent, when?

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>>86744891
That'd still go back to the giving up two lives for one life argument.

I usually like this show, but I don't think the Flashpoint event was written very well.

>>86744887
Sweet. Who wants WebMs?
>the.flash.2014.301.hdtv-lol.mkv.mp4
Are you a timetraveler?

>>86744964
it's on extratorrent

>>86744942
He returned to his original timeline, but the back and forth between time still fucked his timeline somehow

I'm guesssing everything is the same except for Iris and Joe.

Or maybe, this is 3 months after Barry time-traveled. But maybe not, because they didn't get surprised when they saw barry.

>>86744966
Yeah this episode was just meh all around.

Should have made next week episode 1 and have that be Flashpoint. At least the preview made it seem like it's actually worse than the first timeline, unlike this one where everything was great for everyone.

>>86744923
But you can get your powers another way. Just look at Wally and i bet The Rival got his differently too.
Wally probably did fight other metas, the Rival i think was new.

>>86744883
Time remnant is the former self
RF's time remnant vanished soon as he was for sure to kill Barrys mom in the episode because it reset the timeline. It make sense things are different now too because Flash basically saved RF and Flash saved Barry.

>>86744970
Make webms of anything interesting from the first 15mins please, i missed it

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Thought it was an adequate episode.
Eobeard was great. Nice for him to finally get a good bit of time as himself. Wasn't terrible. Wasn't great. Gonna hold out hope for Draco Malfoy.

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>>86744799
>Jesse Quick
at last

Oh, is that why season 2 showed up on Netflix? I thought they prided themselves on taking longer than 1 season to update their shows.

>>86744996
Cisco has bad ending too. Looks like hes in rehab

>>86745028
Pretty much how I feel. Not fantastic, but alright.

We all agree Malfoy is totally Dr. Alchemy right?

>>86745019
>and Flash saved Barry.
I meant *RF saved Barry

>>86745065
All but obvious. Maybe given how obvious it is they'll pull a Wells and let us have fun with it rather than trying to cultivate a "mystery."

BRING
BACK
PATTY

>>86744799
>8
Invasion episode?

>>86745065
There's no way he's not. Unless he's Mirror Master, but there might be an actor announced for him.

>>86745097
>>86745126
I just hope they don't play it as another "mentor was the villain." Don't put him on the team so he can betray them later.

I liked how fast paced this episode was. According to reviews Arrow is taking its time, has an great opening fight scene and shows a lot of promise. I'll see if that is true tomorrow. Anyways it was a pretty good episode. Glad Flash is back

What I wanna know is how reverse flash became clean shaven? Did he just do it really fast before he brought Barry back? or did his reset of the time line cause his 3 months of imprisonment to never happen and therefore erase his facial hair from the timeline?

>>86745126
Mirror Master is played by Grey Damon.

>>86745158
Considering Draco's being described as immediately and openly hostile to Barry, I doubt he's getting on the team any time soon.

>>86745163
For the past two seasons (aka the worst ones) Arrow has always had solid first A halfs but then the plot falls apart in the B half.

>>86745260
Speedforce.

>>86745268
Well I hope he's good. But it also wouldn't be the first time that two actors played one character on The Flash.
That said, Felton is probably just Doctor Alchemy.

>>86745260
>or did his reset of the time line cause his 3 months of imprisonment to never happen and therefore erase his facial hair from the timeline?
How to shave using the Speed Force.

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>>86745260

>>86744685

In that case she'll see you next week.

>>86745260
Motherfucker shoves his costume into a ring and you question whether or not he can vibrate his facial hair off using his hand.

>>86744799
>SUPERGIRL
we earth 3 now or does the speedforce have the ability to merge alternate earths? Why am i even asking if the speedforce has the power to do something like that, of course it does.

>>86745292
I'm pretty sure Felton's Alchemy, yeah.

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>>86745387
The fuck? Have pass users always been visible?

>>86745387
Earth-4.

Earth-3 is where Jay Garrick is from.

>>86745423

yeah, he's just the first guy who ever bought one I believe

>>86745387
Supergirl's earth didn't have a Flash. Jay Garrick is Flash in Earth 4.

7/10

Mainly for the Barry and Thawne moments. Initially though I didn't like how quickly Barry put his life together, but in the end I enjoyed it because it showed that he can't have everything he wants.

>>86745423
Gook fucks shit up again, what else is new?

>>86745272
Your right. What happens in the second half that they just fuck everything up?
>>86745379
Heh. Motherfucker

>>86745387
We were E-3 last season.

They didn't convey Why Barry needed to change it back well enough and I thought Iris was dead when he got back, her just being estranged is "eh". Am excited for more bullshit to happen bc time travel and Zoom. I was wondering why he'd kill Barry's mom, torturing Barry with her alive seems so much more fun, but showing him having fucked around more with time is promising.

>>86745494
He should have fucked Barry's mom. She's a hottie.

>>86745423
>being poor

The CGI was pretty bad at the beginning but got better along the way. Anyone else surprised that Kid Flash's costume looked like it actually fit?

>>86745600
>wasting money

>>86745600
>giving money to the place that already steals away all your time and life

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>>86744607
So let me get this straight, Barry and Iris kissed but that never happen because they erase the new timeline.

And in the new new timeline Iris was never in the house so they never kiss at the end of the season.

They have kissed 3 times and every single time it has been erased.

>>86744799

>Barry also meets new co-worker Julian Albert (Tom Felton) and is surprised by Julian’s immediate disdain for him.

tfw no "WHO IS ALCHEMY" mystery to obvious reveal it's malfoy

Is Iris dead?

>>86745618
He looks good. I hope, since Jesse is becoming a speedster, Wally realizes he has powers too.

>>86745387

Supergirl is now earth 2

>>86745619
I make a lot of money, $15 is hardly a waste. I spent that much on lunch today.

>>86745675
Fatty.

>>86745663
Now we kill Smoak.

>>86745635
Saved.

>>86745702
Answer my question instead if being a jackass

>>86745751
>demand someone do something for you while calling them mean names
You forgot to have leverage over me, cuccboi.

>>86745700
Not even close. The place I went to was just kinda expensive.

>>86745635
Doing the Lord's work anon

>next season of arrow
>flashbacks to season 1

>>86745043

Going forward CW shows will be up a week after they finish.

Netflix and CW have a deal now.

>>86745272
3's start was shaky but not bad, then it's second half was such shit.

4 had a really great start, barring one Felicity episode, and then turned into garbage at the crossover. Expect that to repeat.

>>86745648
>obvious reveal it's malfoy
pretty much, you don't hire Tom Felton to play the good guy.

>>86745958

Season 4 started awful and it ended awful

>>86745379
the mental image of that is cracking me up

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>>86744907

>>86745962
Unless he has to fix Barry's dumb mistake again.

>>86745897
I think 3 began being pretty solid

>>86746026
Holy crap, I never realized that Flash fucked up time so bad.

>>86746026
You forgot the tsunami and Vandal Savage.

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HA

>>86746064
The tsunami is CRISCO'S NOT DEAD, but you're right about Felicity killing everyone.

>>86746026
You missed the one he created after Vandal Savage destroyed central city.

>>86746046
No, I remember the talkback. The first episode is when they killed Sara and everyone hated it. Then they dragged it out tall season. There were a couple good episodes like the midseason finale, but it wasn't consistently good at any point during the season.

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>>86744701

>>86746064

He got the tsunami.

He forgot "Hartley is now my GBF" timeline though

However /co/ thinks the premiere was, i good to be back in the talkback threads.

Here's to a better season, and to getting the hype train rolling again.

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>>86746107
The fuck did you do?

>>86746107
Never make another chart again, Barry.

I hated last season and stopped mid way, can I skip it and watch this new season or do I really need to watch those episodes?

>>86746100
Yeah pretty much. It was rocky, but it had it's moments in that first half. I think the general consensus was that the main plot was shit, and that everything else was pretty decent. It's been so long though.

I remember telling people who were behind to just stop watching after Ollie got stabbed.

>>86746166
You can make that chart, Barry. I believe in you!

>>86746146
Same.

>>86746176
Where'd you stop?

>>86746196
Chart, Barry! CHART!

>>86746026
Is the Flash still a hero? I mean, a person that messes with the timeline that much, they can't be a hero, right? Like, think about it this way: each time the Flash changes something in the past, he is erasing a memories and even people. There's most definitely people who existed before, but no longer do because the changed timeline. There are people who probably made it up, ala billionaire Cisco, but now because of the changed timelines, are poor as shit. People who would've lived may now be dead due to the changed timeline. In a way, Barry playing god, constantly changing the universe to fit his demands, doesn't that make him a villain?

Like, to sum it all up, think about it this way: the only reason we don't think he's evil is because he's the protagonist, but lets say you're an outsider. If you learned that someone was constantly remaking the world to fit their desires, indirectly affecting and even erasing the lives of others, wouldn't you think they're some powermongering villain?

>>86746258
Play Undertale, it'll give you the answer you seek.

>>86746258
Let's examine the chart.
>Reverse Flash fucks time because fuck Barry
>Barry unintentionally reverses time
>no changes, Eddie opens the singularity
>Hartley becomes an ally
>Zoom
>Flashpoint
Before Flashpoint I'd say he had a pretty good record. Also this graph forgets him undoing Savage destroying the city.

>>86746258

Saving his mom is setting the timeline right, Zoom killing his mom fucked it all up. He's just bad at trying to fix that original problem

>>86746221
The episode with the female speedster is the last one I saw.

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>>86746421
You should have watched the next one, it was the best of the season. After that Zoom steals Barry's speed and the team blow Barry up trying to fix him, so he spends an episode in the Speed Force. Then he and Zoom race because kills his dad and wants to blow up the multiverse, and Zoom turns into the Black Flash. At the last minute Barry goes back in time and cause Flashpoint. So watch 17 because it had great Wellsobard and then skip to this.

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>>86746492
Oh, I forgot to mention, the real Jay Garrick is Henry's counterpart from earth 3.

>>86744799

>a meta-human able to control metal who has developed a malevolent split personality known as "Magenta" to seek revenge on those who wrong her

Uhhh what?

>>86746558
>gets powers
>goes crazy
>seeks revenge

>>86746492

You should watch The Runaway Dinosaur too.

And maybe Rupture. I remember liking that one.

>>86746558
>it's another supervillain with a split-personality
>it's the split-personality that has the superpowers
Didn't we already have this episode last season

>>86746558
She was one of Wally's girlfriends in the comics. Total nutjob.

>>86745670
That idea keeps being floated around so I wouldnt be surprised if the writers somehow merged Supergirl's earth but right now there's still a portal Barry can run into to get to her Earth.

>>86746651
It's not a stale plot if the universe was erased then put back together!

>>86746651

Not really. It's just how we assume Killer Frost works.

But we're probably doing it twice this season.

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>>86746026
Revised time chart

>>86746693
>Killer Frost
I was talking about Trajectory.

>>86746724

Piper was never dead.

He's just a nice gay now instead of a bitchy one.

>>86744711
>>86744736
God you people are all idiots. This was a great episode. I'm glad the jap moot is closing 4chan

>>86746724

we're still on Thawne's Ruse Cruise

>>86746738
She was just a druggie having hallucinations.

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>>86746771
You didn't even refute any of my points.

>>86746771
>UGH. Why don't you guys share MY opinion?

>>86746759
Accept my hyperbole!

>>86746657

Is this one of those Deadpool/Deathstroke things?

>>86745635
the episode didn't deserve this ...

>>86746888
>Magenta
>Magneto
No, Magenta is a color

I loved it. I was worried that they would draw out flashpoint into this long arc somehow and that it would somehow drag things down, because face it, Flashpoint was never really any good. But they concisely concluded most of all of it in one episode, while still taking the opportunity to make a soft-reboot of things which only gives the writing ample opportunities to smoothly get out of the hole that the last season kind of ended on.
And Mirror Master and Alchemy and things has me really excited.

Decent episode
Underwhelming as the season opener and for using the name flashpoint. If it wasn't either if those things my expectations probably wouldn't have been as high as they were. Really if it could've fit in the middle of the season it'd be just fine.

>>86746916
Magenta was an evil alternate personality implanted in Frances Kane, who'd always been gentle and fearful and hated her powers. After that writers just decided to make her into "Wally's crazy ex" for reasons I don't quite understand.

I'd guess that the name was deliberate to evoke Magneto, but I don't know.

>>86744729
>I know most are going to be mad that Flashpoint was one episode, but I think that's a good thing
Yeah that was the best thing.

>>86746916

>implying magneto doesn't wear magenta

>>86744736
>Am I missing something or is it just bad writing?
Yes. Time would just keep messing up and become worse and worse due to how it was never really meant to be like that. And all while time would friction and mess with everything making it worse, Barry would also grow weaker and less able to do anything about it.

>>86747054

Agreed. I was upset at first but I knew it wouldn't last too long, and then they dropped the Iris twist and it was just such a perfect way to end things.

>>86746927
>Really if it could've fit in the middle of the season it'd be just fine.
What if it had been the season finale of the last season?

>>86744736

Barry realized he was being selfish. His parents died and he threw a tempter tantrum and reset time and now Wally, someone else he cares about, is dying because he abused his powers. He realized he was being a brat.

He let Wally run around without back up for three months because he didn't feel like it.

On top of that he ruined Joe's life because he wanted his real daddy back.

The ending wasn't just him trading his parents life for Wally's, it was him realizing he acted out of grief for his father.

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w-where can i download this senpai ;_;

>>86745001

Doing that entirely defeats the point of why it happened.

Iris is gone because Barry fucked up. He gave up his parents, but now he doesn't have Iris. He's learning a lesson about time travel because every time he's time traveled so far shit has gone his way really nicely. This is like a chainsaw ripping through his past experiences.

Not only is it a much needed lesson about fucking with time, but it adds consequence to every future time travel moment.

>>86746126

That's the purple talks to Eobard one.

>>86747316
>>86744887
Read the thread you baka.

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News from the future:

The Flaspoint story-arc will be a disappointment , but the rest of season will be better than the last 2 seasons.

Someone mind explaining to me why Iris doesn't know anything about Barry and why he's totally ok with it and etc?

Like, yeah I remember end of S2 Barry raced Zoom but he beat him.. right? Did it create a portal to another earth or something? I don't quite remember it doing so.

Are there any uploads of the episode yet?

>>86747462
After Barry beat Zoom this happened https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Aj8Q7ZO110

>>86747462
This is good bait. People will give you a lot of (You)s to spoonfeed. But I won't.

>>86744750

Barry did like 12 things wrong, in rapid succession.

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>THIS TIMELINE IS TERRIBLE I MUST LEAVE NOW
>nothing really that bad has happened at all, at least not enough to counter the original reason for fixing the timeline (his parents)

What the fuck? Why wasn't Joe a complete mess, fired for being an alcoholic and his kids hate him? Why didn't Wally die? Why wasn't Cisco a huge asshole instead of a mild one? Why didn't Iris dislike Barry or something?

If you want to sell "this timeline sucks so I need to go back" you need to really sell it. They did barely anything.

9/10 episode

>>86747594
Because the point isn't "this timeline sucks, I have to go back", it's "this timeline is everything I wanted, but I can't throw other people under the bus and forego my responsabilities for it".

>>86747683
>throw people under the bus and forego my responsibilities

Then just become The Flash again and help Wally. This still makes no sense as a justification.

>oh but muh memories

Who gives a shit? You wanted this timeline so bad, then own it.

So Barry got fucking trolled again.

I fucking love it.

>>86746724
Holy fuck, the timeline my be the most comic accurate thing on this show

>>86747700
He was losing his speed and memories.

>>86747700
Did you watch the episode? Every time he used his powers, he lost more memories. He'd end up forgetting he was ever the Flash, depowered and Wally would've still died.

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>>86744736
>>86747594
This. Nothing was really that bad. The conflict should have been greater (like the world ending in the actual Flashpoint), but I think the writers just got lazy and wanted Flashpoint over with.

>>86747746
>>86747746
>>86747760
>losing his speed

When do they say this? All I heard was that using more speed means he loses his original memories. Again, who cares? He wanted this timeline so badly, why does he need to remember one that he ran away from?

>Wally would've still died

What? He looked like he would survive. And even if he did die, he was going to die with or without Barry anyways.

>>86747768
>Nothing was really that bad

>Wally dies
>Barry will inevitably lose his powers and memories
>There are still dangerous villains running around and there'll be no one left to protect the world

>>86747768
I thought we're in nu-flashpoint with Iris.

>>86747768
>no crossover flashpoint event where he has to rescue Kara from a government facility
>no thomas wayne

very dissapoint

>>86747802
The timeline would permanently change and he wouldn't even remember he was the Flash.

He'd have died because of Barry, and Barry didn't want that.

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>>86744736
Four lives technically since Earth-1 Wells and Tess are presumably alive in this timeline. Barry really shoulda thought this through.

Is "why did Barry go back" gonna become the new "why did Iron Man try to kill Bucky?"

>>86744607
7.5/10
If you remove it from the context of what Flashpoint actually was, it's not a terrible episode. I do wish the changes were a little more radical but about every change was interesting in a grounded kinda way except Caitlin being an eye doctor.

Hopefully, there are many more changes to explore and Iris and Joe not being on speaking terms is just the beginning of things. Got hopeful for a moment and thought that Thawne had killed Iris so we'd be getting to see an homage to the Trial of Barry Allen from the comics but I guess that wasn't to be. It'd be nice if the changes in this 'corrected' timeline don't just involve Iris and Cisco.

>>86747834
So? He still has his powers. He can become Flash again.

Barry was there and he still couldn't save Wally. Therefore if Barry wasn't there at all and Wally went to fight the Rival, he would've died even harder. Makes no sense to act like it was his fault.

JUST CAME BACK FROM SHIFT

FUCKING SHITTY MANAGER

PLEASE SOMEONE BE HERE WHEN IM DONE

>>86747857
He created the world in which Wally rushed into becoming the Flash and knew someone was running around fighting a powerful speedster for months and did nothing.

>>86747856
>context of what Flashpoint actually was
Shit?

>>86747876
I literally quit my job so I could see be in the live threads. Also I sucked at my job and I hated it.

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>>86744736
>>86747834
>>86747840
>>86747857
This is all starting to sound like a trolley problem.

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>>86747876
>>86747904
>mfw applied to job with the note that I could only work until 7 on tuesdays
>mfw life is good

>>86747316
couchtuner

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>>86747909
Someone shoop Barry pulling the lever, Wally on the top, and then Barry's parents, Wells, and Tess on the bottom.

Where is everyone getting "Barry will lose his powers if he stays in Flashpoint timeline" from? I rewatched the RF scene and he never says that. He says he will "forget he's the Flash" but obviously if he discovered he has powers in the first place, he would discover it again.

>>86747883
So what? Means Wally wasn't a good enough Flash. I still don't see how that overpowers his desire to have his parents back.

>>86746724
Thank you for visualizing why I gave the fuck up on this convoluted show.

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So the "normal" timeline we as viewers enjoy with Wellsobard and so on is actually an alternate timeline from the "true" timeline where Barry's mom isn't killed and Barry becomes the Flash at a later point in time than the "normal" timeline.

So why is Flashpoint said to be an alternate timeline which causes side effects like memory loss shit but the "normal" timeline isn't? How can RF bitch to Barry about changing the timeline when he did it first?

>>86748082
>So why is Flashpoint said to be an alternate timeline which causes side effects like memory loss shit but the "normal" timeline isn't?

It is. Barry just wasn't a speedster in it, so he wouldn't know either way, and Thawne's time travel is much more precise, plus he had technology to maintain his memories.

>How can RF bitch to Barry about changing the timeline when he did it first?
As outright stated on the show, he's a hypocrite.

>>86748082
Because it's integral to this version of Barry.

Letscher's Eobard grows on me with every apperaence, maybe by the end of hte season and Legends I'll like him in the role more than Cavanaugh.

He definitely feels more like like the utter dickbag Comics Eobard is.

This just brings up more questions of what happened to Original Barry.

With Thawne, he lost his speed after the initial change and had the time to nudge the timeline back far enough for him to essentially exist again.
With Flashpoint we see it takes time for Barry to lose his speed and be absorbed into the revised timeline.

So, is there a future Barry just hanging around somewhere pulling strings before the timeline catches up to his original exit point?

Did they explain where did Flashpoint Wally get his powers from?

>>86748132
>wasn't a speedster

What? He becomes the Flash later on which is the whole reason why RF comes back in the first place.

>had technology to maintain his memories

?????? Are you pulling this out of your ass? You sound like a Flash writer

>>86748172
yes

>>86747853
except iron man trying to kill bucky was some BS writing

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>expected some epic event spanning every dc show on this channel
>its just an oridnary episode

why the fuck did i think that

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Tidbits of information about season 3.

>Flashpoint will have lasting repercussions in Barry's life.

>When the truth about Flashpoint comes to light, a lot of people are going to be very angry at Barry, and some relationships will be damaged. Iris is the only one that won't ever disown Barry's action as she understands his mindset.

>Savitar and Doctor Alchemy are the main villain, but they are not allies (at first) and have their own agendas, though they align.

>Savitar wields the Speed Force in a different way than Barry and other speedsters. He's immortal and worshipped as a god, and has a legion of acolytes to do his bidding.

>Doctor Alchemy works alone and has the power to rearrange matter and effectively reshape reality.

>Mirror Master and the Top wiill be recurring villains throughout the season, and Magenta might become one as well. Seems like Mirror Master will be taking over Captain Cold as the driving force behind assembling the Rogues.

>Gorilla Grodd two-parter set in Gorilla City in 2017.

>Two-parter musical crossover with Supergirl in 2017.

>Patty and Zoom are expected to return down the line, Zoom having become the Black Flash.

>Caitlin will get major focus with more on her background, her strained relationship with her mother and apparently going full Killer Frost.

>Cisco will also take more decisive steps towards becoming Vibe.

>>86748201

when has tony ever been an emotional stable person that thinks before acting?

>>86748201
>wanting to kill the creepy dude who killed your mom and stole your best friend is BS writing

>>86748132
>plus he had technology to maintain his memories
?

>>86748273
>>Two-parter musical crossover with Supergirl in 2017.

IT'S A TWO PARTER HORE SHET

>Caitlin will get major focus with more on her background, her strained relationship with her mother and apparently going full Killer Frost.

Well, now it makes sense why Killer Frost is in the JLA.

is supergirl and superman still on another earth

>>86744607

I bet that black flash is faster with a bike.

>>86748273
>musical crossover
No Music Meister, no watch.

>>86744607
Next time you see a Flash Talkback thread, don't go to it.

The Flash is dead.

Bury it.

Consider this mercy.
bury it.

>>86748320
>>86748320
Tony the kind of nigga who makes a genodicial robot and acts like he's helping the world

Tony the kind of nigga who thinks letting General "I created 2 Hulks" Ross run the Avengers is a good idea

Tony the kind of nigga who tells a terrorist his home address

Tony the kind of nigga who enlists a teenager who has nothing to do with the conflict and has him fight the most powerful beings on Earth

Tony is the dumbest smart person in the MCU

>>86748360
>"He was ridin' his bike, when the lightnin' stike, now he runs real fast he's good at villainy and mayhem - BLACK FLASH!"
>Oooookay, but where did he get the bike?
>He stole it!

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>>86748369
I think you're looking for the Arrow thread, Snyderman

>>86746724
god dammit, Barry

>>86748369
DCEU retard please go.

>>86748320
>>86748326
>tony being easily driven to homicide
come on sons

>>86748273
Goddammit, all I ever wanted on this show was Roscoe Dillon. Why the fuck did they have to gender-swap him?

>>86748479
Why not? Tony might be a hero but he never established a no kill rule or something.

This kinda was awful

>>86748369
I stopped watching partway through season 2 when it just felt like the same shit over again, except even more convoluted and corny. Did season 2 finish well? Should I give the show another chance?

>Soon you'll be begging me to kill her
>YOUR SPEEEEEEEED
>WHO'S THE VILLAIN NOW FLASH
>I want you to say it
>I wish I could kill you. But today I get to be the hero.

Fuck it, I'll say it.

This guy > than Wells RF

>>86748550
If that's what you thought halfway through then you would probably feel the same way at the end, it doesn't radically change

>>86748201

Because t's not as if it was established in every movie up until that point that Tony Stark is an emotionally stunted slightly autistic manchild who just misses his mommy and never got enough hugs from his daddy at the end of the day.

>>86748155

you'll still be the only one but congrats anon.

>>86748479
One of the first things Tony did as Iron Man is fly to the Middle East and kill a bunch of people because he saw something emotionally distressing on a TV screen.

It's normal to be gay for RF right guys?

>>86748563

>this ardent fanboy is pissed that everyone else prefers wellsobard

its sad anon, you didnt bring friends

Such a tame premier. And I hate how Barry still needs someone talking in his ear telling him he can do it. He should know that by now.

>>86748622

wow that was a really aggressive post you made for some reason

>>86748622

People who have opinions that aren't yours sure are the worst, huh? Also they're one person because, come on, how could more than one person have an opinion that isn't yours?

>>86744996
The difference is eobard never had to become wells in this timeline
so that likely caused all sorts of other fuckery

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>>86748614

>>86744795
>How the fuck does wellsobard work now?

He doesn't. Iris doesn't speak to Joe because of Harrison Wells and his wife never getting killed. Somehow.

>>86748642
The series finale will be Wellsobard, E1 Wells, E2 Wells, E3 Wells, Iris, E2 Iris, Flashpoint Iris, Black Dad, Former Convict Dad, "Jay Garrick", Actual Jay Garrick, and Captain Cold all telling Barry to RUN FOR REAL THIS TIME so he can save the day

Just watched it. Barry is a huge fucking idiot.

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>>86748273

>>86748563
I like both. This one's got the comics dickbaggery down whereas Wellsobard felt a lot more menacing. I don't see why I'd have to choose just one because they're both great in their own way.

>>86748718
I didn't know you posted on 4chan, Reverse Flash

>>86748738

It's not like I'm saying I fucking hate Wells RF or anything, I''m just saying this one's growing on me a lot.

>>86748707
Then none of this story makes sense

So, if I'm to understand, the reason why the timeline is different now is because Thawne was never trapped in the past and never became had to become Wells, right?

Because we saw that he wasn't trapped in the past. That still doesn't make sense as to why the particle explosion happened without him, but whatever.

>>86748768
Welcome to CW's The Flash

>>86748793
They just needlessly fucked up the time systems in season 2 and now it's even worse

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>tfw your nemesis is such a stupid fuck he willingly fucks up the timeline worst than you ever did
>tfw you get to kill his mom AGAIN because he asked you to
>tfw on the way back to the present, you molest his love interest and turn her into an alcoholic just for kicks

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>suddenly, /co/ hates CW's The Flash
W-w-what happened?
I really liked this episode. Flashpoint Cisco's is 10/10, as also Flashpoint drunk Joe.

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>You really are CW's The Flash: The Fastest Man Alive Tuesdays at 8pm Only on the CW

what did he mean by this?

>>86748973

How many times has Thawne killed her now? In his mind he probably wanted to do it only once but Barry keeps making him do it over and over again.

>>86749093

If he kills her one more time he gets a free murder

Are there ANY consistent rules to time travel?

>>86749132
yeah, you do it and shit gets fucked up

>>86749045
Season 2 was really meandering and there were tons of plot inconsistencies and gaps.

S1 was too good, they haven't reached those heights since.

>>86746248
Underrated

>>86748709

They should all be dressed in cheerleading outfits 2bh

>>86748563
I still like Wells a lot. But I have always preferred this Thawne. Probably because it's a lot closer to my image of the Reverse Flash. But still.

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>>86749118

>>86749330
Same, Wellsobard is cool but I love evil bastard Thawne and lovable asshole Harry a bit more

My waifu Caitlin Snow was in this and I loved every second of it.

>see promo for next week's episode
>it's Felicity with 80% of the lines
REEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>86749132
Don't do it

>>86749350
She was pretty cute desu

>am I being kidnapped?

>>86749415

It seems pretty harmless if you go back just a few days.

>>86746724
We need to print this and send it to the Flash writers attached to a note saying THINK ABOUT TIME TRAVEL MORE BEFORE USING IT.

>>86747458
I hope you're right. Season 2 was garbage and so far, 3 isn't looking too good.

>>86748768
When did Flashpoint EVER make sense?

Anybody have any screencaps of caitlin from the new episode?

>>86749536
That's true

>you time traveled and things that happened decades before you time traveled are altered because FUCK YOU

>>86749045
Season 2 put me off the show a good bit.

They essentially did character assassination for barry and team flash had to go spontaneously brain dead twenty times to prolong the season conflict.

>>86744607
Disappointed we didn't get "Look what you did!" but "WHO'S THE VILLAIN NOW FLASH?" was pretty fucking awesome.

Barry is still the stupidest DCCW character, and that's saying something considering Hal Jordan already technically exists.

>>86749611

Barry is actually really smart in the comics but he's being portrayed as a complete buffoon in the CW. I expected this stuff to have worn off in the first season cause of inexperience but it looks like they wanna keep him dumb for the sake of everyone else.

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Was Flashpoint Cisco supposed to be a small dig at Eisenberg-Luthor? I mean they even did a thing where he shot a basketball.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvUXbzxxdo0

>>86749643
Barry should be older, more mature, and blond. Not a young twink like Gustin or Miller with emotional issues.

>>86749643
>Barry is actually really smart in the comics
I know! That's what pisses me off.

>>86749650
Flashpoint Cisco was just that kind of young, rich, technological genius Mark Zuckerberg-kinda dude, which is what Luthorberg was too. I think they just both took inspiration from that.

>>86746107
We need to do somthing like this
https://youtu.be/CCO3hTCRFYc

When Caitlyn first says she's an ophthalmologist, what does Barry says he thinks she does, and what does she actually do?
There's no subs yet and I can't understand this part. Please help.

>>86749650
>I mean they even did a thing where he shot a basketball.
I don't remember this. Was it in the Ultimate cut?

>Season 2
>Time travel is bad
>It's really bad
>Like, bad stuff happens and then ghosts will murder you
>It's really bad
>"Okay, I get that, it's really bad and I shouldn't do it" says Barry Allen
>Barry proceeds to time travel and alter history

I don't get this at all. It's like different people wrote all of season two but the last ten minutes, and the last ten minutes.

>>86749783

It was a ruse to get you hyped up for flashpoint season 3, but they realized they couldn't pull it off being a season long event, so they only made it a one off.

>>86748490
To cuck Golden Glider

>>86748490

Now you know how I feel about Firefly on Gotham.

>>86746026
Barry has got to stop fucking with the time space continuum. The universe is going to cave in on itself from all of these paradoxes.

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>I'LL RESET THE ENTIRE FUCKING TIMELINE WHERE EVERYTHING IS BETTER FOR EVERYONE EXCEPT FOR JOE BEING A LAZY ASSHOLE BECAUSE WALLY'S BEEN HOSPITALIZED AND MY ARCH-FUCKING NEMESIS TOLD ME TO DO IT!
>WHO CARES IF THIS ALL STARTED BECAUSE MY ARCH-NEMESIS MESSED WITH TIME BY KILLING ME MUM, THIS IS ALL SOMEHOW MY FAULT AND I SOMEHOW NEED TO "FIX" THIS GREAT TIMELINE BECAUSE ONE BAD THING HAPPENED!
Welp, I was ready to give this show one last chance to hook me after last season's blunder but Barry's complete fucking stupidity blew it. Acting like bad things don't happen in the real world all the fucking time.

>>86747876
OK SO

This episode wasn't bad, but wasn't great, like a lot of folks have been saying. Flashpoint should have been a 3 parter, should have shown more of Barry's happy life, how different everyone is, and MORE WALLY.

THEN shit should have gone sideways hard, to make Barry want to reset.

while this was a weak start the incoming rogue episodes have me hyper salivating at both ends

>>86744727
Except he wasn't losing his powers at all. He was losing his anchor to the speedforce by starting to forget Primeverse Iris but he was already well underway to courting Flashpoint Iris and regaining his anchor, as shown by his boost of speed against the Rival when Iris talked to him.

>>86749865
>RESET
It's called setting things right. Also, it's not really reset since everything is different.

>>86749802
But they spent all that time making him realize doing that was wrong, he accepted it, then suddenly just forgets and does it anyway like the next day. WHY

So are we just not getting Kid Flash after all? God damn it.

>>86749908
>It's called setting things right.
"Setting things right" would be traveling back in time to stop Thawne from killing Barry's mom. That's the first time traveling arc to make the universe deviate from its intended course, and that's what Barry did. By undoing this, he wasn't "setting things right", he was literally setting them wrong again.

>>86749882
>Flashpoint should have been a 3 parter
I really don't think dragging out Flashpoint would have been a good thing. By the end of the day Flashpoint just isn't that good. And the way they used it, they managed to benefit from the events while quickly moving past it. In other words, splendid!

And now it can focus on much more important and intriguing matters, such as introducing and elaborating upon the rogues. Like it did by the end of the episode with the mirror.

>>86749945
I was referring to the show itself. The show setting itself straight again.

>>86746724
>been making an infographic for class about the timeline
>this does it much better than I had it
Goddamnit.

>>86748614
I want Wellsobard to lick my neck

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>>86749118

>>86750023
That class sounds awesome, what is it?

>>86749766
He mentions that she's supposed to be on "the flash team" and a great scientist, and she mentions shes an eye doctor. iirc

>>86750187
Visual Communication. We've got to represent the information logically and clearly while still being nice to look at. I can show what I've got so far, since I haven't added the explanations for the time remnant usages yet.

>>86749809
Firefly's on Gotham? Does he fly? He's my favorite Batman villain.

>>86750208
Do it, the more time-charts we have the better.

>>86744645
why won't this bitch DIE??

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>>86744607
> be me
> hate flashpoint
> tv show announces adaptation
> somehow all casuals are hype even though it's fucking shit
> oh well maybe adaptation will be better
> IT'S EVEN WORSE

I can not fucking believe this. I'm fuming.

>>86750258
Because she's tumblr's favorite character.

>>86750212
>he
please I can only hurt so much.

>>86744775
>Lescher

TBQH he looks better with a beard. When he first appeared in season 1 he looked like an old, fat, washed up fuccboi. I guess he lost some weight since then because he looked pretty aesthetic this episode - especially with the beard

>>86750283
Oh god. Oh god no. WHAT'S SO HARD ABOUT COMING UP WITH A NEW CHARACTER? Fuck. Unless its E-11, which I'm guessing its not.

>>86749650
it in no way portrayed Cisco in a bad light, they were just both taking the core of the respective characters and adding in some modern flavor by giving it a Zukerberg-esque dressing (which we saw in BvS was just a public facade anyway)

>>86750382
What difference does it make if it's E-11 or E-Gotham? The show is clearly an Elseworlds, same logic applies.

>>86750421
Well the multiverse calls into question what it means to be Firefly. If I change his race, is he still Firefly? If I change his gender is she still Firefly? If I take away his jetpack is she still Firefly? Origin story? Where is the line drawn? Can the writers take some random person and call him Firefly?

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>>86750238
Alright, it's a bit rough though.

New teaser.
https://youtu.be/fGF1E9Pfto4

>>86750274
Twitter's actually. Tumblr turned on her not long after /co/ did, and seemed even angrier than people around here when Laurel died.

>>86750493
That looks like some grade-A work, anon. Good job.

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>>86744607
Goddammit I just want this Flashpoint bullshit to end so we can go back to fun Flash adventures, is that too much to ask?

>>86750258
She's uncle guggie's mary sue