Why is this better than every Marvel show except Daredevil?

>>86739925
>except DD
Not much competition

>praising Uncle Cage
Quit being a racist, anon.

>>86739925
Was Pops a commie?
With all that "men working" thing, he sounded like a guy that would use words like "proletariat" if given proper education.

>>86741308
Here's your reply.

>why is this show better than Jessica Jones and Agents of Not Canon

Because those shows aren't even good.

>>86739925
There aren't many shows(like 5), that's like saying why is it #2 instead of like 3 or 4

>>86739925
Scarfe could've lied his way out, but nooo... the writers had to take the easy way out.

>>86741495
>not canon
what?
I dont watch agents of shield/shit, but what gives?
I mean, I know that these made for tv shows lore doesnt mean shit to the movies, but still, was it something big?

>>86742074
It failed miserably and then DD eclipsed it

>>86741419
>punks need to see men working everyday in a capitalist society to not turn into criminals
>a commie
>used a business to help people
>a commie
wat?

If anything Cottonmouth and Mariah were the commies taking money from the neighbourhood to "help them progress" and make a "new Harlem"

Pop was just a good capitalist man caught up in their dirty red schemes.

>>86742049
>don't lie to me
How did he know?

>>86741419
>switzerland
>communist

>>86742074
Nothing, except Whedon said for the movies' sake, Coulson is dead, and he won't reintroduce him there. But then, Whedon's not involved with the MCU anymore.

>>86742256
he marysued his way

>>86742168
>punks need to see men working everyday in a capitalist society to not turn into criminals
>used a business to help people

Cant comies do that same thing? Or you just dont know what a comunist really is, amerifag?

>>86742168
You just don't know what comunism is, do you?

>>86741419
Probably not, since hes american and americans are always demonizing of not-capitalism and not muh freedom.

>>86742168
You made Pops sound like a commie and my nigga cotton like a savvy capitalist, tbqh my familia

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>Episode 10
>Mariah's speech

>>86739925
>WE WUZ

>>86739925
>Daredevil S1
>Luke Cage
>Daredevil S2
**POWER GAP**
>Jessica Jones

>>86742074
>I dont watch agents of shield/shit, but what gives?
I swear you're the worst kind of faggot

>>86744844
Why, anon?
I was just blending in with your kid slangs and hip hop songs

>>86744839
>GIRLS ARE YUCKY

>>86744903
Well they are. Have you ever been to /cgl/?

>>86744839
Yikes
First four episodes of DD2 > DD1 >JJ > rest of DD2 > LC

IM LUKE CAGE

>>86744839
Accurate. Jessica Jones is such fucking garbage.

>>86739925

It's not like there's much competition.

You can probably count all of the live-action shows that Marvel has ever done on two hands.

>>86744918
You mean that panties screenshot.
Eh.... I mean, men dont do that, but Iguess its normal?

>>86745162
Sweet Christmas!

>>86745162
Literally?

>>86739925
Honestly I felt it was the weakest.
Luke came off as kind of boring and his constant dodging of being a hero got irritating, the whole show felt like a bunch of missed opportunities tied together by lots of characters talking about shit.
Another major problem was the tone, the show really would have benefited from being more optimistic, it makes sense for Daredevil to be grimdark considering it's source material and it makes sense for Jessica Jones to be dark because of it's subject matter. I had really been hoping that Luke Cage and Iron Fist would off more in the way of campy levity to compensate for the bleakness of the other two shows but instead we got Luke Cage the angsty coward with unbreakable skin.
I wanted Shaft I got something closer to training day.

>>86739925
>except Daredevil

Nah son, it's better than Daredevil. Luke Cage is actually fun instead of miserable.

Luke Cage has the same problem as every other Netflix show. The pacing is horrendously slow and plodding and they stretch out maybe 6 or 7 episodes of content into 13.

>>86747212
how dare they take there time to tell a interesting and detailed story.

>>86747359
everything must be tied up nice and tidy 22 or 44 minutes so says the network overlords

>>86739925
Is this bait? LC was more or less enjoyable but it was by far the weakest season of Marvel TV. The quality was all over the place.

Because the rest of the competition is completely awful.

>>86747479
>LC was more or less enjoyable but it was by far the weakest season of Marvel TV
Holy shit someone said it.

>>86744839
LC (first seven episodes) > DD1 > DD2 > LC (the rest) >JJ

>>86747479

There's no way you genuinely think it's weaker than Jessica "Coyote and Roadrunner" Jones

>>86747879
I genuinely do

Kilgrave was awesome and the first 8 or 9 episodes of JJ are great. It's only towards the end it loses steam. LC on the other hand goes up and down wildly in quality and kills its most watchable villain in episode 6.

>>86747923
>Kilgrave was awesome
Opinion discarded.

>>86747938
Nice meme opinion

>>86748007
>anything I disagree with is LE MEME
Kill yourself.

>>86739925
I thought it was better than Daredevil desu. Having multiple villains definitely helped.

>>86748051
>kys
Nice meme.

>>86748101
>JJfags resort to inane shitposting every time someone says something bad about their shitty show
Typical.

>>86748078
But Daredevil had multiple villains too.

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I regret watching it. It's the worst marvel show besides Agents of Shield.

None of the characters had coherent motivations, there was just constant gesturing at potential motivations covered up by big relevant themes. It was a string of action and drama set pieces strung together over a few episodes and then dropped.

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>>86748124
Because you're obviously a reasonable person who I could rationally discuss the show with.

>>86748202
Your kind resorts to shitposting even when someone is trying to reason with you, so why bother?

>>86748223
Only on 4chan is completely ruling out my opinion on the first post considered "trying to reason" with someone.

>>86748303
Look, I understand that JJfags are not intelligent, otherwise they wouldn't like that shit show, but nowhere did I say that post was supposed to be reasoning with you, you goddamn moron.

>>86747923
>the first 8 or 9 episodes of JJ are great
Where? In boring, one-note characters? Subtext that's treating the viewer like he's a braindead kid? Dialogues that feel like they were written by the Dexter writers (oh wait)? Most awful and ineffective attempts at psychological thriller/horror and zero suspense? Giant unthreatening joke of a villain?

>>86748343
>starts shitposting
>someone starts shitposting back
>YO BRO WHY THE FUCK YOU SHITPOSTING? LMAO ALL YOU CAN DO IS SHITPOST THEREFORE THE THING YOU LIKE IS BAD

?????????????????????????????????????

>>86748411
>disagreeing with someone is now shitposting
Right.

>>86748363
I completely disagree with every point you've made. I enjoyed JJ on the whole a lot more than LC mostly because it felt much more consistent.

>>86748427
>completely ruling out someone's opinion is "disagreeing"

Here's your last (you) friend

>>86748445
Luke Cage may be inconsistent but it's consistently better than Jessica Jones in every way that matters.
>I completely disagree with every point you've made
Why? It was pretty bad. Especially the main villain and absense of any subtlety.

I'm only like five episodes in but so far it's just so sloppily written, paced and acted in comparison to Daredevil. It's tonally all over the place. It's like those super awkward Foggy/Karen segments from Daredevil but every component of the show is like that. They constantly take breaks from getting shit done to talk about muh social issues. Kind of disappointing so far. Does it get better?

>>86748584
I need a reason to have a different opinion than you?

The dialogue in LC was often incredibly corny and hard to relate to. I didn't get that feeling much in JJ, I like her as a MC and her struggles much more. Kilgrave was fun and creepy, had an interesting power, and most importantly wasn't killed in episode 6.

Basically, JJ actually felt like a consistent ride from start to finish in terms of tone and pacing. LC was like a roller coaster (not in a good way). Weak episode followed by great episode followed by weak episode. Sometimes even in the same episode, scenes would vary wildly. I felt like I was getting whiplash.

Seems like all these Netflix Marvel shows start off the season all atmospheric and cool, but end up seeming corny and conventional by the end.

>>86748781
I think a lot of people, no matter which series they prefer, would agree that they always start off stronger than they finish

I think DDS1 is the one that managed to stay strong the longest, but even it faltered towards the end

First 4 episodes of DDS2 is the best chunk of Marvel TV of all time, for my money

>>86748664
>I need a reason to have a different opinion than you?
Nah, I'm just curious to hear your reasoning because I just can't understand what anyone could see in a series like that.

>fun and creepy
I disagree. He was anything but. He was a boring, idiotic whiny psychopath that is absolutely impossible to take seriously as any kind of threat and even show characters make fun of.
>had an interesting power
That's objectively wrong. Mind control is one of the least interesting powers out there, only above generic Superman powerset.
>most importantly wasn't killed in episode 6
That's not a pro. If he died and someone actually scary stepped up, maybe the show could've been more tolerable.

>>86748861
Why can't you understand it? The series was generally well received, don't like 4chan make you think it's shit on all the time.

>objectively wrong
Here's your (you), nice try.

>>86748781
Well that's comic books for you. They start with a good hook, then they have to take away agency from the hero so they can learn something, then the villain is forced to up the ante leading to the final confrontation.

Also for some reason the first two episodes are written or directed by the series showrunner then it's just random other writer/directors that completely change the tone. Like the first two episodes of Jessica Jones are dark and moody with purple haze over tense scenes and Kilgrave permanently shrouded in shadows. Then they reveal his face and he's just a scruffy goon who doesn't understand the meaning of the word consent.

>>86748896
>The series was generally well received
So is trash like The Walking Dead or Arrow. Doesn't mean it's not hard to understand why people have such low standards.
>Here's your (you), nice try.
Oh, please. Go ahead and explain to me how mind control is not one of the most boring powers imaginable.
>hurr kill yourself
>hurr serve me
Such an interesting and totally not an inherently dull power
>b-but you have to be creative
I'm sure using mind control and your imagination will not result in tripe so edgy, even 15 year old Linkin Park-listening fanfic writers who fantasize about school shootings would think is too much.
It was only somewhat interesting in Preacher because it was one of the good guys who had it and even then it quickly grew old.

>>86739925
So just jessica jones? I guess

>>86748781

13 episode quota really hurts them. They'd benefit being 8-10 episodes long.

>>86739925

1. DDS1
2. Luke Cage
3. DDS2
4. AKA JJ

>>86749102
And those other two shows.

>tfw no more Cottonmouth
Not fair. The best villain in all of MCU (not that it's an accomplishment) and doesn't even live till the end of the season.

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>>86749384
I like how no one remembers Agent Carter.
It's just THAT damn forgettable.

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>>86749404

I hate how he died like a little bitch

Are these series supposed to take place immediately after The Avengers? That seems to be the only mainline Marvel film they reference outside of the newspaper article of the Abomination fight in DD.

Even then, that doesn't make sense considering how modern the shows are, but you have that entire cinematic universe to pull from, why limit it just to the Avengers?
Nobody mentions DC
Nobody mentions Sokovia
Nobody mentions LONDON

I understand it's supposed to be street level, but what gives?

>>86749422
Season 1 was pretty good, a nice little follow up to CA:TFA. I t helped that it was short. Season 2, on the other hand, was meh and very forgettable.

>>86749469
I don't think anyone gives a shit about Sokovia, I mean most Americans don't give a shit about what goes down in the middle east.

>>86742695
>and he won't reintroduce him there
good thing he doesn't have any say in that anymore.

Agents of SHIELD is better than Daredevil and most the movies

>>86749469
I wanna say that Season 1 of Daredevil is right before AoU as is Jessica Jones. Season 2 of Daredevil and Luke Cage take place shortly after AoU, as a lot of whats talked about in Luke Cage feels very pre-Sokovia Accords. lots of "these super people are scary someone should do something about this" kind of talking.

>>86749496
>I mean most Americans don't give a shit about what goes down in the middle east.
They would if it was about killer robots and godlike beings trying to kill all humans.

>>86749469

Maybe cause those places aren't in New York, ever think of that?

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>>86749555
>that entire statement
I mean I enjoy AoS on a certain level but it is no where near as good as everything else in the MCU. AoS is so much lost potential. I'm still so fucking disappointed that they are wasting Ghost Rider on that show right now. and its not even one of the better Riders.

>>86749646
don't mess with trips
AoS > most Marvel movies and all of the Netflix shows
season 2 finale was a better movie than AoU
season 3 ended with the most sublime moment in the entire MCU
it has more time to develop its characters and story and is just more entertaining all around

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>>86739925
Legitimately Well Made Tier
>Daredevil S1

Overall Good But Clearly Flawed Tier
>Daredevil S2

Boring Tier
>Luke Cage
>Agent Carter S1

Bad Tier
>Agents of Shield
>Agent Carter S2

Enough Content For 5 Episodes Tier
>Jessica Jones

I cannot for the life of me understand why Luke Cage is such a hit. There are some good things about it and that begins and ends with Cottonmouth. Colter himself has to be the dullest lead I've seen in a long time and there's not all that much to the character himself. He's not actually from Harlem in this. He knew Pops for what, a few months, and acted like its his father. There are tons of moments that could qualify as idiot plot ESPECIALLY regarding Diamondback episodes.

But hey, BLM is really big right now, so we can't say anything but its good even though the show was basically at odds with that concept and more or less short your own shit out before blaming the cops.

>>86749683
go to bed Joss.

>>86749685
>I cannot for the life of me understand why Luke Cage is such a hit

Cause you have bad taste.

>>86749695
Joss doesn't like the show

>>86749725
then why is his name still tied to the fucking thing?

>>86749725
Broken clocks, I guess.

>>86749735
his bro in law does it
Joss started the canon meme

>>86744839
Daredevil S2 (Punisher side) > Daredevil S1 > Luke Cage > Daredevil S2 (Ninjas side) > Jessica Jones

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I don't know if it's better than DDS2 or Jessica Jones, but I do know Shades was based as fuck and Misty was an incompetent fuck up until the very end.

>>86750613
>he didn't shoot laser beams from his eyes

>>86750700
>wanting nigger cyclops
Although he got ko by a cripple and a nurse. I'm getting kinda sick of Claire mary sue tendencies..

I love how you can actually see the wave of contrarianism starting up, /co/ really does operate like clockwork.

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I liked it

>no Danny cameo

>>86750722
yew

>>86750807
He'll probably have just come back to America when his show starts, no room for a cameo.

>>86739925
you basically listed the only two good marvel shows.

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>Method Man's speech in episode 12
>Luke's speech in episode 13

>>86750778
Yeah, when it just came out people loved the hell out of it.

>>86750613
Tell me about Shades. Why does he wear sunglasses in the dark?

>>86751116
That's because he's "white guy in a rap video" cool.
It's retarded but cool anyway.

>>86751148
>white guy in a rap video
>no gaudy XBOXHUEG """gold""" necklaces and rings

I wonder why everyone respects Shades.
At one point Diamondback tells Shades not to forget who he is talking to.
Shades tells Diamondback not to forget either.
So, who is he really? Why does he have power over Diamondback?

>>86751306
I don't know, but he's one shady cat.

>>86751306
because he's smooth as FUCK

>people argue over which of the 3 shows is best
>people argue which characters are good or shit
>no widespread consensus

gee it's almost like people can have different tastes and there's no objective truth but that's retarded lmao xD

>>86751364
Nobody thinks Jessica Jones is the best though.

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>>86751372

I do.

>>86751372

I do.

Or it's at least my personal favorite.

>>86751403
You just waifu Krysten, you don't actually care for the show.
She was cuter in Breaking Bad anyway

>>86749435

He got sucker-punched by someone he trusted and fell fifteen feet, though.

>>86751372
I liked it better than LC

>>86751403
>>86751412
>>86751423
AYO HOLE UP

>>86751372
Lots of people do unfortunately

>>86751417
Even at the end, after he fell, he probably expected her to say sorry and try to help him up.
The look on his face as she began smashing him with the microphone stand was one of complete surprise.

>>86739925
No competition until Iron Fist, and it's pretty much a done deal already that Iron Fist is going to rock Luke Cage's ass.

>>86751722
Will Madame Gao be in it?

>>86751722
>Scott Buck
I don't think so.

>>86751306
He's not a bitch like Zip.

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>>86739925
It's not.

>>86751751
Considering the source material they have to work with, and considering the incredibly low bar Luke Cage has set, Scott Buck would have to actively sabotage the show for it to be worse.

Jessica Jones > Luke Cage > Agent Carter > Daredevil >>> Agents of SHIELD

>>86751778
Yeah, it's not like he has a history of being a showrunner who can fuck up even the simplest premises.

>>86751794
>Agent Carter > Daredevil
(You)

>>86751794
>Agent Carter > anything

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>>86751794
Agent Carter > Daredevil
well done

I think my favorite moment in Luke Cage was after Shades and that goon shot up Pop's barbershop and reported back to Harlem's Paradise, The goon referred to Cornell as Cottonmouth and Cornell just yelled

>MY NAME IS NOT COTTONMOUTH

Gave me chills. It was even more intense after Cottonmouth threw him off the roof for killing Pops.

>>86752244
That scene was perfect. It even had based Turk sneak in and ask for his money.

>>86752511
Turk needs to be in every episode of every one of their shows.

>>86750700
Dude, Cyclops is an entirely different character owned by Fox now.

>>86753052
Poor Turk just cannot win no matter what, even if at the same time he fairs better than most of the antagonists.

Hard to pin down my favorite Turk moment. "There are diapers in here!" was good, but I still think my absolute favorite is how he talked up the gun he was selling to the hitman who became Daredevil's client in season 1...and then it absolutely fucks up when the guy tries to use it.

watched it and...
jesus christ, how can anyone like this shit?
its so disgustingly racist and sexist holy fuck
and I don't mean its offensive to me, its just fucking boring because it uses the same old fucking tropes to any 90s black gangsta movie

I'm sorry guys, but its shit with a marvel logo and names plastered all over

>>86753901
Turk is the luckiest unlucky guy in the world.

>>86747359
He's right, all of Netflix's Marvel shows so far had the common problem that they have enough story for 10-11 episodes but they still do 13, and instead of slowing down the pacing for the whole season, they make the first half or so correctly paced and then slow down a lot until the last episode.

>>86739925

Why?

Marvel produces crap TV shows; being better than crap just means you aren't quite as crappy as crap.

>>86748781

I agree. All of the Netflix shows would benefit from being 8 or 9 episodes long instead.

I just finished the first episode. So far it's niggers being niggers, an implication of political corruption, and then just one minute of Luke Cage beating up bad guys. Is this all the show is going to be, or does it get better?

>>86739925
Doesn't that just make it 2 out of 3?

>>86749685
>he didn't like season one of Agent Carter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Npx6gReF1Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2h3cK9g42BY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFo_cVc6fp0
Kill yourself

>>86747822
>>86744954


can we stop this autism of rating the first or second half of a season as if it was its own season?

Yes, the Frank stuff in DD season 2 was great but the season overal was very weak since the best element wasn't the title character and you can argue DD barely had anything to do with Frank.

So yes, season 2 sucks.

>>86750778

I was thinking exactly that.

When the first thread about the show after the release was made, I was having this conversation of another anon, about how much people were liking it and there wasn't polarization in opinions.

Now, the contrarianism is in full force.

>>86759227
certain seasons of Marvel TV have pretty noticeable tonal/quality differences that can warrant dividing them into separate parts.

so no we can't, fuck off

>>86750578
if this is true I'll give it a chance.

JJ and Ninja side were the worst two things of the recent netflix stuff.

>Cottonmouth died halfway through
>Luke Cage has shit taste and went for ugly no-hips Rosario Dawson nurse instead sexy as fuck Misty Knight
It was garbage.

>>86762248
It still annoys me how Cottonmouth died so early.

I get that Diamond Back was the main antag, but they definitely made Cottonmouth the most interesting antagonist on that show, followed by shades.

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>>86762248
>ugly no-hips Rosario Dawson nurse
Get out and reevaluate your life

>>86748150
>Agents of SHEILD
>bad
you know there are more episodes than the first half of season one right?

>>86739925

it's not.

I feel like I would have liked it more if I was black.

>>86739925

Because LC and DD are shows about down-to-earth heroes who fight crime in their neighborhoods.

JJ was just about some chick who has PTSD and wants to be blacked instead of purpled. She just HAPPENS to have some sort of vague super strength I guess.

>>86743086
Can they? Maybe. Have they, ever, in all of human history? NO.

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>>86762248

Faggot

This is now a Rosario Dawson appreciation thread.

"Y'know Luke black blackity black black Harlem black black."

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>>86764403

>>86759227
>Yes, the Frank stuff in DD season 2 was great but the season overal was very weak since the best element wasn't the title character and you can argue DD barely had anything to do with Frank

I disagree, it only worked because he was up against someone like Daredevil who had gone through the character arc Matt did in season 1, the whole Frank aspect would have been much weaker with JJ or Luke Cage instead, because there was no established character development to provide the foil needed to conflict against Frank's ideals and methods.

The best element was Matt VS Frank, so yes, it was the title character. If it had been Frank VS anyone else in the shows it wouldn't have worked.

Season 2's Ninja's suck.

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>>86764403

>she will never take your cock all the way deep in her ass and milk you

>>86764428
"Remember Luke, black black blackity black Meteor Man black blackity black"

>>86742168
>working class dude who praises work
>a capitalist
>millionaire speculators
>commies

Jesus dude, comics are ok but reading books sometimes is fine too.

>>86749598
Not really. America's posture on killer robots is to just send them to kill people elsewhere, p. mch the same as Ultron

>>86759136
Those were ONLY good bits throughout the season.

It's actually everything people shit on Agents of Shield for, except it doesn't apply to Agents of Shield.

>>86754127
I think the only reason he isn't put away for good is because he's incompetent + easy to track and people keep using him for gear

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>>86764523
Hahaaaa! Black black blackity black black!