20 minutes.

spend them well I guess

So would he need like ALL the wakfu to go back 200 years?

Or what if it's inverse? The less wakfu the further back, if he could've de-wakfued a fly.

>>86731099
Not enough. Never enough. Maybe that's why it's forbidden, it's doable,but so resource intensive killing entire populations doesn't actually do anything meaningful.

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>>86730788

>>86731294
watch the show
so you can proceed to feel bad with us

>>86731294
Are you seriously asking people to spoil one of the greatest twists in animation history?

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>>86731380
I refuse to spoil it for you. Go watch Wakfu.

>>86731380
Don't forget to watch the OVA, Noximilien l'Horloger, sometime through the first season. Probably while they're busy playing Blitzball or whatever.

>>86731519
have fun

>>86731519
Watch the French sub and after the first two episodes skip to about ep 13.

>>86731099
It seems that gathering the resources alone simply takes longer than it would be able to move you back. Which means that it's pointless, the technique is simply unrefined.

>>86731271
why no one ever made an edit with Nox?

>>86731615
Shut your whore mouth.

>>86731294
Go watch wakfu right now
Leave this thread and go to kisscartoon or wherever

>>86731615
Disregard everything this guy said except watching it in french with english subtitles.

>>86731806
>>86731840

People that like the goball and other shit filler.

>>86732044
Wakfu doesn't have filler though

>>86731099
In the manner which he tried, it just wasnt going to happen. The ripple effects of his spell did tear holes in the fabric of time which had the intended effect of being able to travel further back when going into them though.

>>86732044
Do you skip ahead 50 pages when you get to a dull spot in a book? This is almost as bad as the people who start shows partway through some random season.

>>86732840
Maybe if he didn't try to take his entire clock Fortress hr might have got a whole hour.

>>86731806
This anons right, watch the dub instead

>>86733378
>watch the dub
This, and if you got the munchies while watching it, go grab a well done steak with a lot of ketchup

t. proud member of the tasteless people club

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>>86733473
nice

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Nox was a great antagonist. Extra points for him actually defeating the heroes and carrying out his plan "successfully".

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I want more Frida.

Admit it, Season 3 isn't going to be able to sustain the regular quality with just 13 episodes.

>>86733913
Nox was great because he embodied the Greek tragedy: it was his own personality faults which defeated him. Sure, fighting Yugo was cool and everything, but mostly he just fucked over himself. He was so focused on his goal and so determined to make it work that he never even questioned if he should or even if it was possible.

>>86734004

Eh, aslong as they put in more fanservice I will be happy or any at all.

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>tfw Season 2 was infinitely worse than Season 1

>>86732062
It's roughly 50% filler.

>>86734004
Actually, given how awful 2nd season and the OVA was, maybe a shorter run is what this show needs.

>>86733054
Anon he took the entire universe.

>>86734193
I liked it, I think it has the best and the worst episodes and overall comparable to s1.

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Reminder he did nothing wrong.

>>86734246
2nd season was fine except for the boufball arcs

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>>86730788

>>86734359
Yugo is a stone cold nigga, returning him to his worst nightmare forever just like that. If Yugo wasn't evil, he'd kill him, wait for his rebirth, then kill him as a baby and confine him to the egg. His sister could then watch over him forever and he wouldn't be lonely

>>86731099
as you can see in the boofboll segment in s2 xelors can affect time in the limited volume of space. in Nox' case he probably settled for either the planet or the system, but not for the entire universe. You need infinite amount of energy(wakfu) to go back in time one tick(and this tick would probably be vanishingly small) for the whole crosmos, but for a limited bubble it would be a finite amount.

>>86734957
>>86734246
The OVAs were good aside from blatant Yugo jobbing

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>>86730788
He'll be back for Season 3 right guys?

Right?

>>86735902
The second one didnt have much of a point to it, the first one could have been a movie in itself had it been given enough playtime to be fleshed out within. But that is just my superior opinion.

>>86735203
WHY DON'T YOU HAVE ANY RELIABLE ANTI-AIRS?!

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>>86736015
Most anti-airs in V are preemptive, his cr.hp has a lot of active frames though. Try cr.mk too.

>>86735902
>Yugo jobbing
Nigga got to help end all 3 bosses. Joris jobbed the hardest.
>Mysterious little badass
>Killed Razortime
>Appears in Ush
>Gets immediately captured
>Gets frozen
>Finally going to see him in a fight
>He didn't bring his weapon for some reason
>Loses to Remington
>Loses to Percimol
>Even Maskeme kicks his shit in
Anyways, I feel like the OVAs are just sloppy. First one seemed like it was a good setup but rushed through the story in a really awkward span of time. I give it the most credit at least for being clear and concise with the gang back together on an adventure, even if every character changes their mood at the drop of a hat.
Second was basically just an excuse to crossover Dofus stuff and have that fight. I give it credit that it was the most entertaining fight but as the other anon said, mostly a pointless mid stop in their adventure.
The third was the worst to me. It was just stupid power levels clashing with eachother without any character to the villains that usually carries the finales. When the dragons came out, it just went full on Pokemon 2000 on us.

>>86735990
the season 1 end credits that were cut from Netflix should answer your question :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgIoR67iuqY

>>86736366
It just isn't fair Anons, he didn't deserve such a shitty exit.
Pls let it be retconned

>>86736422
>shitty exit.
I thought it was a fair end to his story , giving up his conquest to reverse time symbolized by the mask he wore dropped next to an umarked grave , it means he's alive ,but no longer a villain .

>>86736523
did you not notice the Dust where his body should be

>>86736554
well shit ...
i didn't think of it that way ...

>>86736422
Let the man rest. He's 200 years old give or take 20 minutes

>>86736587
He is with his family now

>>86736523
>unmarked grave
those are his family's graves.
Far left one has his daughter's ladybug hairpin
Far right has his younger son's melon hat
Middle left his his wife's, middle right is his older son's

>>86735902
Yugo has only been a strong fighter when he gets a giant influx of wakfu, he's actually a kind of shitty fighter otherwise

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>>86735990
I'm sorry anon

>>86735203

I'll finish you in 20 minutes.

Wakfu fightan when

>>86731821
NO DONT DO IT
mustard gas

>>86736587
Xelors canonically turn to dust once they lose all will power. He's gone anon.

>>86732062
That's objectively false, everything Gobball related is 100% pure filler.

>>86737338
maybe he just threw his mask away

>>86738267
His wraps are off, and there's a huge pile of sand where his armor and wrap are. You do know what Xelors are under those wraps, right? They're called Xelor's SANDglass for a reason.

>>86737338
>>86738333
>>86736366
>>86736422
>>86736554
>>86738203
>set up an awesome villain to mysteriously disappear at the end of the season teasing he might be back
>just to show he's regular dead anyway
Fuck you, show.

>>86738333
didn't know this
thanks anon

>>86738510
There's a lot of neat world stuff I wish they would tell you about in all that filler. Instead we're just kinda left being told "play the game for more details" which ultimately just means read the wiki. It and the 70% of characters being wasted are my 2 biggest gripes with this show.

>>86738569

Yeah, the world lore is pretty much hidden away in the games.

>tfw nox toy came in

Feels great

>>86738569
>>86738602
This.
>they finally give us an Ogrest OVA
>it's a shitty pirate adventure story instead of a story about how the Ogrest became the most powerful character in the Wakfu lore and had a stalemate fight with the Wakfu deities

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>>86734359

like hell he did

those final episodes though

>>86738399
>teasing he might be back
they never teased any such thing, his fate ( >>86737338 >>86736366 ) was shown in the very same episode he was last seen. The reason why you believe that is just a blunder from the broadcasters who didn't include the end credits, but there was no intent from the storyteller to leave his fate up to interpretation, they made it clear from the get go

>>86738671
>disappearing at the end fight with a cryptic thank-you message to Yugo
>not teasing

>>86738626

At least there is the Ogrest manga.

>>86732062

ATLA has next to no filler

Wakfu has some filler, but each episode is good enough to make it worth watching

>>86731125
Didn't Yugo piss away most of his stolen Wakfu anyway during their last fight? That and Nox having a really shitty understanding of the Eliacube.

>>86738721
I'm not even that poster but ATLA has some filler, in fact entire episodes during season 3.
As for the Wakfu filler, no, a lot of it was garbage tier. The only enjoyable filler was the ball games episodes.

>>86731467
I think it's meant to be watched between episode 24 and 25 if I remember, anyone got a decent link to the dofus movie?

>>86732062
I fucking love the show, but if you actually believe there isn't filler, you're delusional

>>86738699
>with a cryptic thank-you message to Yugo
care to elaborate ?

>>86736366
all that shows was the armor he was wearing, by a series of stones (possibly his families graves) it's still possible (but unlikely) that he could return at some point.

>>86738699
>About 5 minutes of air-time between his last appearance and the reveal of his fate
Wow!
much teasing
such cliffhanger
so suspens

>>86734359
Such a good villain.

>>86738882
no it's not, you're just in fanboy denial, see >>86738333 and >>86738203
Also, pieces of his armor appear in Harebourg's personal antiques gallery in the OVAs.

Look, I'm sorry you were exposed to an incomplete version of the episode which lead you to build hopes and dreams about your favourite character, but again, his fate was unambiguous from the get go in the writers' vision.

>>86738982
You're just happy he kicked Scrappy Doo's shit in. He was a really lame "I'm crazy cause I'm crazy!" villain

>>86730788
I like how it actually was 20 minutes in terms of episode runtime. A shame the season 2 bad guy was some pedophile faghat but holy shit that reveal of what's under Yugo's hat god damn.

>>86731615
>after the first two episodes skip to about ep 13.

That's terrible advice, what the fuck is wrong with you?

>>86732044
Yeah, you actually need to have the stakes for the finale.

You can skip a few episodes, but you need the three that develop Grovy/Eva, and some awareness of the Sadida kingdom. Plus why Ruel suddenly appears out of the ground, so you need the episode where you see his home.

Oh, and who the fuck Adamai is. Plus, who Egole is because that ties into the Nox movie.

So yeah. Just skip Boufball.

>>86733473
Reminder that Donald Trump only eats his steak well done, and is proud to eat fast food and tacos all day, every day.

Also reminder that he's morbidly obese. Nobody gains two inches between the ages of 20 and 70, Trump was listed as 6 feet tall while dodging the draft, yet told Dr. Oz he's 6 foot 2 inches. At his weight at 6 feet or less, Trump would be morbidly obese. Which he is because, as previously mentioned, people get shorter with advanced age, not taller.

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>>86734359
He did everything wrong.

Shinonome did nothing wrong, and suffers more than any character in animation ever has.

>>86735780
Pic related?

>>86736422
Don't worry, he'll be back!

See, they're making a Krosmaster cartoon, and Nox is by far one the most popular character in Krosmaster.

Then Goultard, then Harebourg, then ahageo Pandawa.

>>86740214

>Still no sign of a release date for krosmaster cartoon

>>86740301
It'll be interesting, I wonder how they'll do it.

It'd probably be close to the OVA episodes where they just throw everyone together from continuity to fight in ridiculous settings.

I'm hoping Cabotine shows up and meets Goultard, Grovy, or Eva.

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If he only redid his calculations

Was this a good show?
Is it worth watching every episode?

>>86740674
>Was this a good show?
>Is it worth watching every episode?

(sigh)

No, we have threads about it YEARS after it aired because it was utter shit.

And no, it is not worth watching any episodes. Seriously. Re-runs of Saved By The Bell are a much better use of your time, and you'd be insane to do anything else.

>>86740674
>Was this a good show?
Yes.
>Is it worth watching every episode?
We argue about which episodes can be skipped to just get the gist of the story, but there's no reason not to watch them.

>>86740465
That's the irony tho. It took him 200 years to gather enough to turn time. It wasn't enough meaning he needed to spend even more time gathering wakfu, but that in turn would extend the time he'd need to go back

>>86734004
>Yugo is still very young
>Grovy still a big focus it seems

I'm not very hopeful

>>86740674
Yes and no

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>>86740744

Alright, your comment shows me that you must really like the show. Thanks Anon.

>>86730788
That poor bastard

He only wanted to save his family. And in doing so every action he took to get there would have been undone as well.

>>86740824
How far do you think he could go back if he ate the entire worlds Wakfu like what Quilby was trying to do?

>>86730788
What I dont get is why time travel would be so devastating.

Scores and scores of time travel stories can accomplish time travel where the process harms absolutely nothing, at least on a physical level.

Like in Back to the Future the threat was the damage one could could cause with their actions USING the DeLorean, but the actual time travel process itself was never even HINTED at being even remotely threatening to reality.

>>86740674
Its absolutely worth a watch, its brilliant
There's some that can be skipped, but that's ultimately up to you and your definition of filler. I would say stick with an episode for a while before you skip though, some of them can take a moment to get in gear
>>86740902
>And in doing so every action he took to get there would have been undone as well.
You know, I've often wondered how much that also played into it. As he goes back and erases his own history, would he lose Wakfu? Or, to put it another way, was he using Wakfu that he never actually gathered because of the paradox he's trying to create?

>>86741107
Because this is a different world Anon, with different rules.

Time is an actual clock with gears in the Wakfu world. To turn it back is to grind the gears against each other until they're in the place you want them. You risk breaking something

>>86740902
This. It isn't just the realization he'll never see them again, its that horrible crushing guilt.

How many races has he wiped out? All of that is on him, and he'll never redeem himself for it.

>>86741107
Magic=/=science. Also, conservation of energy.

The rules that govern the universe in Wakfu are pretty explicit. Something can exist outside of time, at all times at once. But things being transported outside of their time with the exception of the god Xelor requires a massive amount of energy. Wakfu doesn't have Mr. Fusion reactors. Instead, you have Wakfu itself which is the stuff that souls are made from, so you either need to kill a ridiculous amount of things or harness the energy of life itself, something Eliatropes do naturally like Force-users.

What language should I watch this in?

I can't stand French.

Is there a japanese dub

>>86741187
>But things being transported outside of their time with the exception of the god Xelor requires a massive amount of energy.

Note that even Xelor can't reverse time. Ellacube is a helluva drug

>>86741083
Maybe an hour? Dude was rewinding the clock of the UNIVERSE. Not just the world he was on, but everything at once. I'm still not sure if that's the reason time reversal was impossible in Wakfu, or if it was just a case of Nox never bothering to localise. Or if he just rewound everything to save his family because they were everything to him
>>86741107
IIRC the short version is it damages Xelor's (the God of Time) hourglass, and it was cracked at some point, possibly by Ogrest. Its been a while, but I swear there was some book that got scanned that explained the Gods

I have never seen this show but I´m interested in doing so. What should I expect from this cartoon?

>>86741217
Watch in French, and turn the sound down if it bothers you that much. Also, try and get the fan subs, I don't know how good the official ones are and the fan ones do a good job of explaining the French puns. And there are a LOT of French puns

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>>86741217
Any language that isn't English. The english dub is horrid

Just watch French Anon. HONHONHONHON

>>86741259
A good/great first season, a faltering/disappointing second season, and three complete shit episodes/OVAs.

>>86741181
Time isn't just a precise mechanical clock.

Xelor created a clock by pooling a portion of reality and the Wakfu it contained then formed a swarm of bronze butterflies which formed the body and internal mechanisms of a clock. He created four more transparent ones hitched to the mechanisms, then set a magical frog to follow them around it. He set the rhythm of the frog's heart to the beat of the six Primordial Dofus, which all other being's hearts are set to as well. He set eleven purple magical gems around the outside of the clock to mark the months, then struck the ground of the World of Twelve with his magic hammer. The reverberating "tick" and "tock" onomatopoeia were placed in his pocket, then added to the clock. He then assigned the specific seasons of Fall, Spring, Summer, and Winter to the transparent butterflies. Each season's length was dedicated to one of his fellow gods: Summer for Iop, Ecaflip, and Cra, Fall for Feca and himself; Winter for Sram, Enutrof and Osamodas; and Spring for Eniripsa and Sadida. Rushu demanded in on the clock idea to make himself permanently bound to the world, and scratched a mark for December which caused black maggots to grow to slow down the butterflies and make the final month a reality (setting mortal lives out of sync with the measure of time). When Sacrier joined the ranks of the gods and was shown the clock, she made the gods feel the mortality of their followers in the seconds and shed a tear for the massive amounts of mortal lives lost down below which caused a time anomaly that causes Bonta and Brakmar to rebuild each time they destroy each other. Xelor then created the months, appointing a guardian to ensure each month lasted in equal measure although disputes and squabbles between them lengthen or shorten the months, with a leap year happening when Jiva of January and Djaul of January fight.

>>86741229
We don't know that he can't, we only know that he said it was impossible. He may have been lying, since he exists outside of time and as a result might not be fully aware of the rules that govern those in the system he made.

>>86741107

Time travel itself is not devastating, the means Nox chose to get enough power to do it was

>>86741315
I really hate it when a show starts great and then decreases in quality. It´s so much better when it starts kinda weak and gets better as it advances.

>>86741334
I mean Djaul of December.

>>86741083
You probably can never charge it with wakfu faster than your output of time rewound. It would be too easy then to create an endless loop where you drain a source of energy and go back in time to when that source of energy was still around obviously. If he had killed the whole world, he would only be able to go back in time to when he had already killed most of the world.

>>86741392
They hit on an amazing villain and plot in the first season, and couldn't quite follow it through. I wouldn't say the second season is 'worse' so much as the first season is better
Its Godfather Part 3, a good cartoon on its own but compared to what came before it falls flat

>>86741464
Alright. I´ll give it a watch then. Thank you for the info Anon!

>>86741187
>Magic=/=science. Also, conservation of energy.

There have been many MAGIC based time travel stories where the actual process harms nothing in any way too.

>>86741521
Also remember that there's three movies.

>Goultard
The first cartoon the studio made, its primitive and non-canon the way its portrayed. But still good and the namesake character is important to the cartoon. You may want to consider watching it first.
>Ogrest
Partially made by Studio Ghibli. Explains the main villain of the setting, who only gets mentioned in season 1 and only becomes important in the OVA episodes that come after season 2. Kind of cute, made for younger kids.
>Noximillien
You HAVE to watch this after season 1 ends. Also a different animation studio, its the backstory of the 10/10 villain we've been talking about.

>>86741624
True! But magic time travel tends to be a bit more costly than science time travel.

>>86741692
>>Noximillien
Honestly I'd watch that sometime before the final episode of season 1, ideally right before. It helps contextualize part of the opening

>>86740744
>Saved By the Bell
>Main character stops time

I saw what you did anon

>>86735902
Excuse me, but the OVAs were absolutely terrible. The plot made no sense, the characters were caricatured, the themes and ideas completely jumbled, the pacing was busted and there wasn't even any comedy to speak of.

It's saving grace was animation.

But comparing the OVAs to the Dofus movie, which comes very close in actual length of the feature, it's LIGHT YEARS apart in quality.

>>86738399
Except he wasn't set up to mysteriously disappear. He was beaten and broken in every sense of the word. The narrative made it clear that for Nox, that was over.

>>86742028
Ankama thought it was the last thing they'd ever get to make since they couldn't get another series with the old channel and Netflix was shrugging at it and waiting for the Kickstarter to see fan interest.

So they threw in everything including the kitchen sink into three episodes with two seasons worth of happening.

Grovy being who he is wasn't much of a shock. Damn near everyone is a relative of a god in Wakfu, especially in the comics.

>>86739538
Yeah, well, he was very underutilized. But the reason for his insanity was a genuinely good one and he was really well-acted. The inflections in his voice, this manner of talking as if you're in complete control while showing that you have no idea how to actually properly express emotions... He was just so unhinged. And he was animated superbly, the way he moved with this wild abandon.

Quilby was a really good character, he just got the short end of the stick and ended up being underdeveloped. He had what, 3 episodes of character development? Nox had almost half the season AND a backstory episode. Quilby could have been sooo much more.

>>86742101
Okey? It was still bloody awful. It lacked any semblance of focus. They just kept on throwing more and more things at us without ANY clear indication of where we're going.

I swear it was Mass Efffect 2 all over again. Right down to the ending of the third episode.

And as an insult to injury, they couldn't have even given Cleophe a good role in it and she was already shafted in season 2 where somewhere in the second part of the season they just suddenly realized they actually had no idea what to do with her and where to take her story arc. And then she gets a lousy cameo at the wedding scene. That was weeeaaak.

>>86742205
Nox's character concept was rather simple and very relatable, so they could put all their efforts on the execution.

Qilby's character concept, on the other side, was more complex and, imho, much more interesting, but also less relatable, so they had to spend some time and effort just developing and explaining it, hence why the execution suffered a bit.

I like them both, just for different reasons. Also, both had brilliant voice actors in french.

>>86742577
...but I liked ME2.

>>86739538
>He was a really lame "I'm crazy cause I'm crazy!" villain

No, he was a really good "I'm crazy" villain because he had a really, really good reason to be crazy.

>>86742727
It was really good, from a gameplay standpoint and a writing (dialogue) standpoint. Much better than ME1 in most respects.

The real problem ME2 had was that it was a poor middle-episode, meaning a lot of what's wrong with 3 is the result of 2, but if we judge ME2 in it's own bubble, it's good.

>>86743052
But isn't the middle all the companion missions? I thought those were pretty great.

>>86743107
?
No I mean the game as a whole is the middle part of the trilogy, and since the story is almost completely disconnected from 1 and 3's, they had to cram 2 episodes worth of plot on 3.

>>86743184
Oh, I see. I misread.

Yeah, the main plot was better in 1, but I love 2 so much more because I got to explore the universe more, see more of the cultures of the aliens and not just bum around on the Citadel and visit general metropolitan places or frontier space.

Never got to play 3. Wasn't released on Steam. Also didn't want to pay a high price for the shittiest one.

>>86743294
The plot itself in 2 is not bad at all, though I agree the one of ME1 is better. The failing is it focuses on a more or less unrelated enemy, and ends in the exact same place ME1 ended. There was no progress whatsoever for the overarching plot, which was very bad for ME3.

That said this stems from the fact that the fucking dumbshits in Bioware, despite directly saying the opposite, clearly were making shit up as they went along instead of properly planning out the trilogy from the get-go.

>>86743737
Yeah, I never really thought about it before but it does seem like 2 is just all the plots that should have been in 1. But from what I've read 3 just tried to hurry and close them as quick as possible making the whole thing pointless.

Not to mention as great as the Illusive Man was, its a pretty fucking jarring change from Cerberus being the generic bad guys you fight sometimes like space bandits to the Umbrella Corporation Illuminati that you're stuck working with because of stuff that happened during a railroaded opening.

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>>86740744
>(sigh)

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>>86745187
You know I always thought sigh was an acceptable expression in 4chins because of C&H immunity.

Guess the underaged of these days don't know about it.

>>86731821
Is the entire thing on Netflix?

>>86740674
I honestly thought the second season was very disappointing after how great the first one is but you can watch it and see for yourself.

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>>86742703
I always thought the fact that Qilby isn't relatable is what made him such a good antagonist. Maybe a better one than Nox.

A lot of contemporary stories in comics, video games, and animation do the "relatable villain" shit, and it's usually "Oh man, that guy lost his family. I totally get his motivations!" But nobody can understand Qilby, which is the whole fucking point: not even members of his own race understand what it is to be him, we the viewer can't possibly understand what it is to be him. His existence, as it was, became too limiting and he sought to change that--but he still desired the closeness of others, despite the fact that his curse would always isolate him.

Everyone fellates Nox, but Qilby's character doesn't get the respect it deserves.

>>86738267
then some iceheaded bastard took it for his collection

>>86745631
Yes.

Not sure if the mini episodes are or not, but both seasons are.

The problem is they cut off the end credits scenes on the last episode of each season.

>>86745841
You need to be able to understand a villain's motivations in order to be interested in a story, and if those motivations in turn are interesting it can give the character more depth. Nox is a much better villain than Qilby because he has a motivation that isn't clear from the start, and at the end when you find what it is it makes the audience feel conflicted, and the ending becomes much more powerful because of his backstory.

Qilby was okay as a villain, and had some better battle scenes, but he wasn't nearly as complex as Nox and in turn that made me personally less interested about what happened with him, and was a detriment to the entire second season.

>>86745841
Both are fucking amazing. Nox is the ultimate nightmare of guilt and regret, not only in the past but what we literally see him doing. Qilby is the ultimate nightmare of existential horror, turning immortality into a hell that's far more relatable than the simple bored nobleman or ghost who watched generations of their family grow old.

>>86746120
Qilby ends up a better villain than Nox when you digest him.

Nox is stronger because he provokes a strong emotional reaction. Qilby is more like "Fridge Horror".

Honestly, its realizing what he put Shinonome through that made me appreciate him as such a great villain. I mean, the depths of evil he went to is amazing.

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>>86734004
>Admit it, Season 3 isn't going to be able to sustain the regular quality with just 13 episodes.
I'm expecting exactly the opposite. Less random shit, more meaningful progression.

>>86738882
>all that shows was the armor he was wearing, by a series of stones (possibly his families graves) it's still possible (but unlikely) that he could return at some point.
Here's a picture from the official timeline.

>>86745841
A villain still needs to be understandable, if not directly relatable. Qilby is brilliant because while his reasons are alien to any viewer, one can understand deep down how hellish such an existence could become, and why someone would go to such lengths to change it.

Ok, so there is only 2 things I know about Wakfu, it used to be Dofus which I played quite a lot some time ago, and it has that fucking awesome porn version.
Besides that, I've never played the game and I barely remember anything about Dofus (Pandas? Skeletons?) .
I've just watched the first episode and I like it already but, will I understand the series without playing the game? (Don't have any intentions to play it either)

>>86746173
I completely disagree, Qilby just seems like he was just an evil asshole and wasn't nearly as complex, Nox had much more depth and you don't even have to "digest" him or look for excuses, he triggered an emotional impact on the audience that Qilby never even came close to emulating.

>>86746120
>but he wasn't nearly as complex as Nox
He is an extremely complex villain far more than Nox. Nox is easy to get, that's why he's so relatable.

>>86746339
>Qilby just seems like he was just an evil asshole
I seriously don't know what show YOU were watching.

>>86746120
I don't know how anyone in this day and age can find the tropes of "my wife/family died," "I'm responsible for it," and "I'll sacrifice the world to get them back," interesting anymore. They're certainly not complex motivations.

Nox was great because of the presentation and surprise payoff, but he was by no means a complex villain, nor did he have an original backstory. He certainly doesn't inspire nearly as much thought as toward his motivations; he's pretty cut and dry.

>>86746316
I agree with this, while I prefer Nox overall because as soon as he appears properly he becomes the main antagonist and stays that way developing his character and all feels more linear with his ending

Qilby spent most of the season doing nothing and while his true nature was telegraphed from day 1 it was interesting to understand WHY he was the antagonist

>>86746339
Qilby went through billions of years, all identical to each other. As the teacher and scholar of his race, he had to teach every generation the same lessons over and over and over and over and over and over and so on. For eternity, because there's no end of the world scenario for Wakfu.

He was literally in hell as far as misery goes.

The twelve immortals were basically living gods, he just took it to the next step by thinking of al the others as mere minions to be sacrificed for gain.

>>86746379
Nox's execution was so much better than Qilby's that even if they tried to make his motivations more complex by trying to make them less obvious from the start (even if he was still an obvious villain), I was never really that invested in him since I thought they would throw a curve ball, but they went with the obvious and I didn't really care much for it, especially after he fused with the eliacube and basically became a moustache twirling villain. I suppose when they brought back Tristepin it just left a sour taste in my mouth, and the negatives of that season were just magnified from there.

>>86745255
(Other anon here) I definitely learned to *sigh* in text from comics I read as a kid. Though for me I think it was mostly Garfield (love C&H though, I should get some).

>>86745841
I prefer Qilby too. First I don't give a fuck about characters being relatable to me personally, I don't watch fiction to see a retelling of my own life. Second Nox created his own misfortune so I don't feel the slightest compassion for him (note: I still loved Nox as a villain, but I don't relate to him or feel sorry for him). Qilby, on the other hand, got dicked by the universe and isolated in the void for millenia. He's got every reason to be completely crazy or even braindead, so his ability to bluff and manipulate people like he did with such short notice is actually very impressive, and the tragedy of his whole existence begs for compassion.

And perhaps the best thing is how well his VA rendered that in the finale. You could *feel* how desperate he was, how he saw no other way to find a semblance of comfort in his own mind.

>>86746339
>Nox had much more depth
What's complex about Nox? Guy feels like a loser, gets an opportunity to become powerful, then delusions of grandeur, his family dies, he wants to bring them back.

>he triggered an emotional impact on the audience that Qilby never even came close to emulating.
Nope. Not here. Nox was a fool who turned to genocide. Too bad for his loss but he can go fuck himself for what he did. Qilby's fate is terrifying in itself and the fact it cannot be ended makes it impossibly worse.

>>86730788
This is one of the best episodes of any show ever but the show itself is still like a 6/10
The filler is fucking garbage, even the boofball episodes are shit

>>86746748
>Nope. Not here. Nox was a fool who turned to genocide.
The brilliant thing about Nox is that if he succeeded, nothing he did would matter, because it would be undone. That's why he felt justified in genocide: his plan working would simultaneously undo all the evil he did.

Also, Nox didn't go crazy on his own, the eliacube did have an effect on his mind, which is at least pitiable.

>>86746827
>even the boofball episodes are shit
You're shit you shit.

>>86746748
>Qilby's fate is terrifying in itself and the fact it cannot be ended makes it impossibly worse
His faith is definitely worse, but the execution of the final episode of season 1 (which in my opinion is basically done perfectly) is much better than season 2's, it leaves a lasting impression (just look at the OP), I think that's something season 2 doesn't really achieve.

>>86746844
He also said that if he did fail he wouldn't really give a shit about others suffering, because obviously HIS loss was far more important.

>>86746891
Well, he WAS crazy. But he at least believed nothing would matter if he succeeded.
That's why the 20 minutes are so savagely poignant. He never could have possibly succeeded.

>>86746865
Nigga that shit is boring.
Why the fuck did the showrunners think I wanted to see fucking sports in my French fantasy cartoons

>>86746875
I can agree on that, but the emotional impact of S1's finale for me comes from the Brotherhood's losses rather than anything about Nox. Everything from Eva and Pinpin to Amalia's dead eyes and transformation to Yugo realizing they didn't go far enough back was soul-wrenching.

For S2 it's mostly the whole segment in the timeless dimension that stuck with me. The last fight, the music and Qilby's pleas.

>>86746946
It is definitely a brilliant reversal.

>>86745255
There's nothing wrong with sighing in conversation, but it's definitely unusual to see it on 4chan. And I have never seen it in parenthesis - it's usually *sigh*.

So, was Nox just crazy and hearing voices he thought were from the cube, or was he hearing Qilby through it? Setting stuff up for an eventual jailbreak.

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>>86747022
>the emotional impact of S1's finale for me comes from the Brotherhood's losses rather than anything about Nox
But the realization that they didn't go back far enough was what really made Nox, everything he did was pointless, especially the horrible things he did he thought wouldn't matter at the end. Of course the Brotherhood's losses were a really well done part of it too, but Season 2 ruined tristepin's death so that's another reason I don't like that season.

>>86747470
The former. It's no coincidence that the cube's voice is the same as his. And Qilby was surprised and impressed when Adamai told him about Nox near the end of season 2.

>>86747470
Considering that Qilby didn't even know about Nox until they told him he was just probably crazy

>>86746646
The 12 gods have lived for an extraordinary long amount of time as well right? What stops them from going insane after thousands of years?

>>86747996
Being gods.

Do we still have no confirmation of the season 3 release date? Wasn't it supposed to drop sometime this year?

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>>86747996
Forgetting their past incarnations.
Not being locked into nothingness forever.
Being able to travel the universe without sacrificing entire ecosystems.

>>86748164
Next summer.

>>86748502
Thanks.

I forgot to mention, if anyone's interested in Krosmaga, they put out a video last night to show the current state of the game. Beta should open on the 11th. They didn't mention any languages other than French, though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9zlGzRhwCs

>>86742727
We all like some shitty things anon.

>>86743737
>The plot itself in 2 is not bad at all

Excuse me, what? The plot of ME2 is absolutely atrocious. People behave and events happen for no reason, plot devices are used for the sake of using them, the protagonist is resurrected in the prologue and that fact is then completely dropped, the themes are unclear, it's chock-full of plot-holes and retcons to previously established lore and the finale is the absolute crowning moment of narrative retardedness.

Actually, the more I think how atrociously BAD it was, the more I appreciate the OVAs.

>>86738882
>all that shows was the armor he was wearing
Xelors who take up time magic crumble to dust if they take off their suit.

>>86747996
The gods are able to reincarnate themselves as mortals, and don't have the need for constant stimulation. Other than Iop, who doesn't really need complexity to have fun.

Qilby was damned with the psychology of a mortal, and having literally no options. Killing himself would just trap him in a child's body for a few thousand years after being stuck in the egg for however long it took Shinonome to die again.

Imagine just that. Being trapped in the body of a fetus in a globe for millennia until your sister slips and breaks her neck in the shower, then spending a few centuries in awkward proximity to your fetus sister's crotch, then spending a few years shitting yourself in diapers while still having the same adult mind, then a few hundred years or more to become an adult again. All for what?

You'd be a fucking toddler teaching an equally aged Adamai and Yugo how to read, write, do math, and history because Shinonome crushed them when she slipped.

Imagine Chibi going up to Qilby in the crib and asking him to write something from their race's history in blocks.

All of that for who knows how many billions of years, because time wasn't invented yet.

Your divine mother and father who only talk to your "special" brother and sister have never once made any form of contact with you, just kind of dropped you into the world with no ability to forget anything ever and no way to stay dead, and watched you fuck about.

>>86735990
Oh buddy...

>>86750334
Another problem was that he knew literally anything there was to his world, and the only thing interesting to him was exploring the Cosmos with his race because he was scared of being alone, but they never had an interest in leaving their planet

>>86735780
>(and this tick would probably be vanishingly small
Tick and Tock are both 1 second long as far as I understand.

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>>86732044
>hating boufbowl
And this is why girls shouldn't be allowed in nerdy hobbies (v:

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>>86740185
lol

>>86741229
Meh. Sacrier created time paradox and restored Brakmar and Bonta to pre-war state by just dropping her tear on his clock.

>>86745841
I didn't like Qilby the first time I saw the second season for the reasons you've stated, but I came to think about that and, after rewatching it and especially the last episodes, I came to really like him and realize how hard Yugo went on him

>>86733962
Do you think she's the type to be really sexually angry and dominating, or the type that lives on the battlefield, and then turns into a different person in bed?

>>86734246
Honestly, Wakfu isn't that good of a series. It's known primarily for the last half of season 1, and primarily only the Nox portions.

The first half of season 1 is rather generic, and almost all of season 2 is meandering, pointless and two dimensional.

since everyone was cringing when seeing kisscartoon as an altenative, decided to try out with youtube.
more of an experiment since i'm not sure how much time till the account gets banned. also the ContentID recognized everything.
S01+S02+Dofus only took one night to upload, but adding subs is a pain in the .ass

so only S01 up for now, have a lab this afternoon so will get back to it later.

playlist?list=PLLOBBEjAAVSW9d4YWLKfSMh1o-XnuwL0n
(links will be added to pastebin obviously)

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>>86740185
>>86752251

>>86746120
Nox is way less complex as a character than Qilby. Qilby has the whole "nobody understand me because I am literally the only one who lives like I do". While Nox lost his family. It's pretty simple.

>>86753433
If you're going to reduce their motivations to the simplest terms they're neither one very deep. Qilby's motivation is that he was bored. He'd lived for such a long time that the status quo had lost its appeal for him, so he kicked off a war that wiped out his own people.

It's why his punishment is so ironic. Trapped for eternity in an endless realm of nothingness, living forever in a place where nothing ever happens.

A Wakfu thread without waifufagging? That's so rare....

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>>86740185
What was his name again?

>>86753857
Meuporg

>>86753857
Ralph Lacasse.

>>86753857
MMMPORPG

>>86754240
This, except Otomaï found the correct spelling and it has 23 M's if I recall correctly

>>86753135
>Adamai

This is why no one paid attention you cunt

>>86755404
i just liked being ironic there.

>>86755404
(>>86755431 cont.) mah boi there just wants to redeem himselfs towards the /co/mmunity ( since he did some things wrong )

now everyone can instantly watch his beatiful face instantly in ""HD""

>>86755618
>mah boi
Get out

>>86755786
>inb4 watching cancer clickbait youtubers
>the tilt
no need to get mad senpai, will be more carefull next time :^)
also, didn't even knew about the King Harkinian stuff (confirming my normie status)

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>>86753781
The only Waifu for me

>>86756019
Don't have a clue what you're on about anymore

>>86756067
i assumed you didn't like the particular use of "mah boi", oh well will just leave it as it is.

>>86741624
it's a different fictional universe though. With different fictional rules.
Not all fiction is the same after all.
Just because time travel is safe in one fictional universe will not make it so in a different fictional universe.

>>86756159
No no, it's having Adamai as a boy that's detestable

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>>86740214

>TFW I got hobo wizard from the fragment thing in kros 3D

Feels good

>>86740902
>And in doing so every action he took to get there would have been undone as wel

im starting to believe no one watched the show

>>86759024
That's his idea though. Nox counts on the fact that all the evil he's done will be erased by his rollback

>>86760037
except for when grouga outright tells him that he's gonna destroy the krozmos
and nox proceeds with stating that he doesnt give a fuck

>>86760170
If he destroys it but resets time once he gets to the past then of course he doesn't care. That was the point. He doesn't care what collateral damage happens in the PRESENT, because he's convinced once he gets to the past he'll have a cozy new timeline where he never had to return to the past because he'll already be there.

>>86760230
the destruction happens BECAUSE of the reset
he just wants to see his family again even for a moment
he's nothing more then a selfish prick at the end of the series

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>>86745841
My opinion is that Nox is the better villain simply for his ability to illicit a stronger emotional impact without needing the viewer to really think on it. Nox was hard to look at say "You are an evil person." because he didn't really want to hurt people, not really.

However, I believe Quilby to be the more fascinating villain, simply because of how alien he is to the viewers. I don't know about others, but he managed to get sympathy from me despite me not being able to understand him at all, maybe BECAUSE I couldn't understand him. He was sad, lonely character, and he was actually evil, but I felt bad for him despite that.

I wonder what Gods did to Noximilien after his death.

After all he literally challenged Xelor and then was like Fuck you Sadida n your followers.

If my memory serves me right he would die without his followers

>>86760273
Yes he's mad and selfish but there is a logic and self justification to it

>>86760321
Probably nothing. There's really no Hell or punishment for your actions. You die then reincarnate when someone has a baby. He's probably already alive has a new xelor.

>>86760273
But that was his point. He was sacrificing the present timeline for a new one where he didn't fuck up and spend too much time with his rubik's cube instead of fucking his wife and telling stories to his awful children.

Did you even get that part of his plan? He was wiping out the Sadidas but was cool with it because when he went back in time with their energy they'd be fine again. And you know what, just that little bit he did proved he was right. His theory was always sound, he just didn't have enough mojo to pull off the full 200 years.

>>86760340
>there is a logic and self justification to it
which fails miserably when he's told that going back in time will destroy the krozmos and he states he doesnt care

>>>86760367
>Did you even get that part of his plan?

are you people stupid or just not listening?
if he went back in time 200 years he would have destroyed the krozmos
he is fully aware of this

its not BUT HE RESTARTS THE TIMELINE ITS OKAY
its him restarting the timeline that destroys everything
nothing comes back
everyone is dead
period

>>86760397
except he did go back in time and the world is fine

>>86760446
not by a significant margin

>>86760397
>if he went back in time 200 years he would have destroyed the krozmos

His intention was to go back in time, not to kill the universe. He was warned this would likely kill the universe but his response was closer to "That's a risk I'm willing to take" rather than "Oh, well I'm gonna do it anyways."

>>86760397
God damn, you are dense. He could destroy the entire universe IN THE PRESENT as long as he made it back to the past he didn't give a shit. Because he felt when he got back he could fix things and never have to leave in the first place. In this new timeline nothing would be destroyed by him because he'd have no need to destroy it.

Time travel was declared impossible by several people,even, yes, declared as something that would destroy all of creation, but he did it. He used the energy of people he murdered to go back in the past and when he did they were fine again.

Nox's time travel scheme worked, but to a far lesser extent than he wanted. If you cannot accept that then, fuck son, I don't know what to tell you.

>>86760463
enough time to make the difference between an entire kingdom of people being all dead versus not dead

>>86760507
there isnt a difference between the two when he's literally trying to destroy the krozmos

>>86760510
you didnt actually pay attention to the show did you

>>86760515
Only because that literally happened in the last 20 minutes.

>>86731099
It might have been possible for him to go all the way back.

The limit was mostly not enough Wakfu, and his machine simply couldn't handle the sheer amount of energy. The cube was probably powerful enough to actually do it given the right stuff.

>>86760540
>you didnt actually pay attention to the show did you

You didn't even watch it, did you? You just read about it on wikipedia or some shit.

You really should give it a try, if your attention span can handle it that is. You do seem to have issues.

>>86760547
And if he'd had enough power to go back further he'd have undone even more of his crimes. That was the point of Yogu hoping they went back far enough that Dally wasn't Razortimed.

>>86760582
I'm not the one ignoring shit stated within the show just to pretend nox isnt a bad person

>>86760540
But he wasn't TRYING to destroy the Krozmos, it's a possibility, and from the finale, it's implied he was actually correct, and the possibility didn't happen.

I don't believe it's actually said that 200 years will kill the universe, rather that time travel is impossible, and trying it at all will kill the universe. He tried it and it actually worked, Nox proved them wrong.

That said you are correct that it was said in the show to Nox"This will kill the universe if you attempt it." and it's implied time travel is impossible, NOT because you'd need to drain the universe of it's energy and kill it to go back, but that the action itself is impossible, and attempting it would destroy the fabric of reality. and then he did it anyways.

>>86760611
Nobody said he wasn't a bad person. People have already called him selfish and crazy. Doesn't change the fact that his premise was correct. His scale, however, was off.

Meanwhile you've got multiple people pointing out to you what actually happened in the series and you, caught, keep doubling down on claiming everyone else is wrong or didn't watch the series.

>>86760714
>and then he did it anyways.
So are you defending Nox or saying he's evil?

>>86760745
Feeding discussion mostly.

>>86760714
>rather that time travel is impossible
Yeah we had several people talking about time travel as an impossibility and would break a fundamental aspect of their universe and totally screw the pupper. Apparently not where the Eliacube is concerned.

>>86760714
he may have not have been trying to destroy the krosmos but he actively didnt care that anyone got hurt
people keep being huge faggots going OH BUT NOX DID NOTHING WRONG HES SUCH A SAD CHARACTER while ignoring the fact that hes a selfish faggot who still attempted something that had a huge chance to destroy the universe because he is an emo faggot

>>86760730
>Doesn't change the fact that his premise was correct
are we still pretending he wasnt told that he would destroy the krozmos if he went back and he just ignored it?

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>>86747502
Nox's waifu is a criminally underrated milf.

>>86760730
>Nobody said he wasn't a bad person

Actually people are going out of their way to state stupid shit like "Nox wasn't wrong" and "it was justified" even though neither of these things are true

>>86760745
Nox can be an obsessive unhinged lunatic with a warped view of morality and still turn out to have a sound strategy. These things are not mutually exclusive.

It's up to philosophers to argue whether it is really a mortal sin to murder someone even if you somehow use the energy of that murder to travel back to before the crime and therefore don't have to kill at all. The series makes it more than clear, however, that none of the heroes think Nox was rational or justified in what he did. The fact that the cube literally burns out worlds to do anything, whether travel in space OR time, has already left them convinced the cube is too dangerous. Now it's outside of normal reality entirely until Yugo is ready and wise enough to handle it, if ever.

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>>86760780
I mean, he was the bad guy.

I hate the "Dindunuffin" people as much as the next guy, but you gotta admit, it's a kick in the balls to see that this psychopath was actually RIGHT. He DIDN'T doom the universe, his theory was correct, but despite being right, he fails anyways, leaving him the biggest cunt in the universe and he still got shit all for his efforts. It's fucking heart breaking.

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>>86760857

>>86760823
Jesus Christ on a pogo stick, you still don't get it. He was also told time travel was impossible. He proved that wrong and the krozmos didn't explode. Did you somehow not realize that even after Nox time travelled the series continued going as if they all still existed because they actually still existed? Or did this somehow escape your notice?

>>86760922
he wasnt right though
if he was they would have went back in time 200 years and nothing would have happened
the problem is that nox was wrong on almost every front and ended up almost killed entire race for next to nothing
it doesnt matter how justified he was in his head he was fucking wrong

>tfw you have to tell every newcomer to the show that if they don't want to pirate it, they have to handle the fucking dubtitles and pay for the Nox and Ogrest specials

>>86760979
I meant right not in the moral sense, but in the "Hey time travel is actually possible." because it was. It happened.

>>86760898
You have to be more specific about how wrong he was. His actual intention to time travel was proven a reality and it did indeed reset the cost of energy (i.e. deaths) put into his efforts.

He was wrong about how far back he'd go, though. Whether he was ever justified the show makes it clear he wasn't anymore than Qilby would have been wiping out the planet just to travel to another new world.

>>86760970
I appreciate how retarded you are
its not about if he did or did not destroy it
is that he still went ahead with it fully knowing how big of a chance it was
>nothing happen if I go back in time
>but its probably gonna destroy the universe
>who fucking cares muh family

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>>86760280
>Nox was hard to look at say "You are an evil person." because he didn't really want to hurt people, not really.
He had one guilt trip with Alibert, then proceeded to tell Grougal he didn't actually care whatever happened if he failed. Not that it would be undone and wouldn't matter. That if he failed, he'd be so sad he wouldn't give a shit about anyone else. Evil isn't just harming people for fun, it's sacrificing innocents for your own means.

>>86760714
>I don't believe it's actually said that 200 years will kill the universe, rather that time travel is impossible, and trying it at all will kill the universe. He tried it and it actually worked, Nox proved them wrong.
20 minutes was enough to open a rift between dimensions hundreds of years before he actually initiated the time travel. Who's to say what kind of damage 200 years would have caused?

>>86761042
>is that he still went ahead with it fully knowing how big of a chance it was
Did you not realize he was single-mindedly obsessed to the point of insanity? Did you not realize that he wasn't going to be talked down by anyone? Did you somehow not fathom that even if he failed and destroyed everything he'd probably still be fine since he wouldn't be around left to appreciate it? This was the only chance he saw to go back in time and set right what went wrong. He was going to take it regardless of what even a dragon told him.

But we make progress. At least you realize it didn't destroy everything and are now harping on that he at least took that risk in the first place. Again, he's insane and didn't give any shits what it cost.

>>86761149
>At least you realize it didn't destroy everything
see
>>86761058

>>86761163
You're equating opening rifts with destroying everything? Do you even know if the amount of time travel matters in the least? You don't know if the length of time you travel matters so much as traveling in the first place. And let's not even act like opening rifts in Wafku isn't something they do every other week. They had a whole fucking demonic invasion in season 2.

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Anyone know where to get the hardsubs?

I want to watch the show on my PS4 without dubtitles

>>86761238
so you are telling me its boiled down to "WELL YOU DONT KNOW WHAT WOULD HAPPEN"
I think we are done here

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>>86761277
Guess we're about to loop back to "I'm willing to take that chance." and why that's a bad thing.

>>86761277
Dude, we were done when you couldn't accept what happened in the actual show and pretended like something entirely different happened. This was never a fight you were going to win.

>>86761321
The thread constantly resets to 20 minutes ago and everyone rebitches about the exact same things we already talked about/resolved.

>>86761339
except you keep pushing everything that DOES happen in the show thats proving you wrong as "well you dont actually know what happens if he did go back 200 years so you are wrong"
honestly if you actually tried to use your brain for half a second and not just assume that there is literally no repercussions at all (regardless of the fact that there were) maybe we wouldnt be here

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>>86761366
I think I'd still take that over a waifu thread, but I could do without either.

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>>86761058
>20 minutes was enough to open a rift between dimensions hundreds of years before he actually initiated the time travel.

I havent watched in a while, what rift? Im confused

>>86761420
It doesn't come up in Wakfu, it was between the Dofus MMO and Wakfu: Les Gardiens. One character from the latter ended up in the former for a while before finding his way back.

It's been retconned since, but only for legal crap involving said character, so you could say the principle still applies.

>>86761400
Anon, you were claiming that the entire krozmos was going to be destroyed. It wasn't. Now you want to stretch the opening of rifts as proof it either would have been or maybe was destroyed? Hard to tell with you, you're a bit damaged in the head.

Best part is another anon had to supply you with the knowledge of the rifts because until that point you were floundering without a leg to stand on. You you have a toehold of maybe, MAYBE, it might have been worse if Nox had travelled back further. But you don't know that, regardless of how much you want to act like it's true.

>>86761420
I don't remember any rift either. Plus, Yugo's entire power is rifts/portals and they have rift gates to make travel around the world easier too.

>>86761420
Sounds like some kind of media tie in- >>86761480
Oh. Apparently that's exactly what it was. But it's been retconned?

>>86761420
>Haven't watched in a while
Maybe the reason youve been spewing so much bullshit in this thread

>>86761607
Anon is doing better than the guy who claimed that Nox destroyed the entire series back in season 1.

Not even sure what that guy is going to do now that the rift thing seems a bit sketchy.

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>>86761487
But those are controlled and in the present. Nox's spell, on the other hand, created a random portal *centuries in the past.*

>>86761529
Yeah, the artist responsible for that character had rights to it that predated its use by Ankama, so when he left the company (on bad terms to say the least) he took it with him.

In pic related he calls Tot a son of a whore and says he deserves to die, among other things, on the official forums.

>>86761485
>you don't know that
yeah thats about what I expected
I'm not talking about the arguement or who supplied what
I'm talking about what happened
just because rifts happen constantly doesnt mean none of them are a bad thing
just because they went back in time doesnt mean that the difference between going 20 minutes and 200 years is nothing
and on top of that none of this really changes the fact that he was still wrong and still could have destroyed the krozmos becuase he was a selfish faggot

I don't know why you think that I'm trying to say that what happened in the show didnt happen
I'm talking abotu what could have (and probably would have) happened
nox was actively trying to destroy the world whether he wanted to or not

>>86761636
>>Anon is doing better than the guy who claimed that Nox destroyed the entire series back in season 1.
no one has said this

>>86761247

Nah, just use something that actually handles softsubs aka every sane device since decades ago.

>>86761651
>just because rifts happen constantly doesnt mean none of them are a bad thing
Doesn't mean they are a bad thing either.

>just because they went back in time doesnt mean that the difference between going 20 minutes and 200 years is nothing
Doesn't mean it isn't nothing, though.

>still could have destroyed the krozmos becuase he was a selfish faggot
Could isn't the same as would, anon.

As far as this series is concerned none of this rift stuff happened. And based on what this anon is providing Nox is being used as an excuse to explain reality shenanigans in other material. Which in and of itself wasn't actually harmful.

So basically the destruction you keep harping about didn't happen and the one meagre bit of evidence you're clinging too ironically also didn't happen in this show.

>>86761777
>still refusing to listen to anything I'm saying
no wonder why you fags still say nox wasn't wrong

>>86761679
I introduce you to this hapless motherfucker >>86760170 who still cannot accept that the krozmos wasn't destroyed after all.

You can follow his adventures in the thread from that point on. It's entertaining but only in the way of watching a mental patient drawing on the padded walls of his room using his own excrement as paint.

>>86761836
Who said he wasn't insane, obsessed, and morally wrong? Still doesn't mean he destroyed everything in the krozmos.

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>>86761777
>the one meagre bit of evidence you're clinging too ironically also didn't happen in this show.
Rift anon here. I don't see how that's relevant since we're dealing with a transmedia company that refuses to repeat content across different platforms. It's still canon (or was, in this case, but as I said the character being removed doesn't change the authors' intent regarding the consequences of time travel).

>>86761884
I'm pretty sure no one here claimed that he did.

>>86761857
>resorting to insults because you can't read
The guy has been saying regardless of intention nox wasn't morally justifiable in any reasoning and yet you go out of your way to pretend that he's on about the krozmos being destroyed. Maybe you should re read whats happening here

>>86761884
see
>>86760230
>>86760230
>>86760340
>>86760367

>>86761901
Probably because the rift incident seems relatively benign. Also it seems to exist solely to explain something that they felt they needed to explain. In other words what they wanted to do was insert the character and looked for a means to explain it, settling on Nox, but it doesn't seem to have been because they intended or otherwise felt a need to show that what Nox did had consequences beyond what Wakfu season 1 showed or to prove it was a threat or damage at all. Or is there missing information still?

>>86761974
I don't see those doing what you seem to think they're doing. Those don't talk about his morality.

>>86761917
Unfortunately I don't have to because I lived it. I'd like this more than twenty minutes of my life back.

If you decide to read it too to find out why you're wrong, I regret to say you'll feel as I do now.

>>86762061
They are talking about nox being right
which is what the basis of this discussion is about

>>86762095
Except no one in these posts stated that the worlds were destroyed in season 1. The other anon is talking about a hypothetical where time actually went back 200 years and is met with nothing with "well it didn't happen so nox was right and you are wrong"

>>86762135
Here, try this one out >>86760905

Nox can be right about time travel, right that he won't destroy everything, and even right that he can undo (at least some of) the deaths he causes if he travels back in time. These things actually happen.

But this doesn't mean he was morally in the right. These are two different things.

>>86731294

he wasted 200 years of his time killing and destroying, doing unspeakable evil acts in the hopes of traveling backwards to before his family died. In the end all that he collected only brought him back 20 minutes.

>>86762016
>Probably because the rift incident seems relatively benign.
That can be its own argument but still has nothing to do with it being shown in a different piece of media.

>Also it seems to exist solely to explain something that they felt they needed to explain.
That's up to interpretation. You seem like the kind of person who believes that when Ankama integrate content across media they just do it for cross-promotion and not because they want to explore and connect a theme fully across their differrent products (IMO both are valid reasons, but a lot of people seem to think the latter is a made-up excuse).

To me that's silly. I could come here from the comics' perspective and claim that nothing that happened in the cartoon really matters. Or that Yugo's entire life is subject to change because he's still a toddler in the MMO.

>>86762216
that still doesnt mean nox was right though
YOUR LOGIC works the same
if nox did go back in time 200 years its still possible the worlds would have been destroyed but we don't really know for sure
all we know is that 20 minutes wasnt enough time to really do anything outside open a rift

I mean that is of course if you know what a hypothetical is
or even what the word "if" means

>>86762181
And the other anon is obsessed with a hypothetical wherein the krozmos is destroyed because Grougaloragran said it would be. Yet it wasn't.

We finally just got the guy to admit here >>86761042 that the krozmos wasn't in fact destroyed but now he's obsessed with the possibility that it might have been, despite the fact that it wasn't, despite being flat out told that Nox was straight up crazy and obsessed and didn't care. He saw time travel as his only option so it wasn't like any maybes were going to stop him because he didn't have a Plan B.

>>86762297
Given that the rift was apparently retconned back out of existence that's hardly evidence that it would have destroyed everything.

I'm really not sure at this point if you're just dense or trolling, but I'm willing to bet on both.

>>86762393
so you don't know what a hypothetical is
Alright then

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>>86761607
>Everyone talking to me is the same guy

>>86762433
It's clear you don't given your'e trying to stretch something that might have happened into something that did happen, when a. it obviously didn't happen and b. you have no evidence that it even would.

You have, at most, a rift that was retconned out but even then it wasn't damage or even indication of damage. You see a side effect (that didn't even happen now) and run around screaming the sky is falling. That's why nobody is taking you seriously.

>>86762484
I think we've fed this particular troll enough (you)s at this point.

>>86762393
Do you realize how hard you're trying to invalidate the occurrence of the rift based on a retcon that's completely unrelated to the rift itself? If we're at the point where we're trying to refute facts, maybe it's time to stop.

>>86762530
If you remove the reason for the rift in the first place why do you assume there was still a rift at all? You think it still opened up but nobody came out so people shrugged and got on with their lives?

So now you don't know what a retcon is on top of not knowing what a hypothetical is. Well this has been a waste of an otherwise fine non-waifu dominated thread.

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>This thread right now

>>86762497
>your'e trying to stretch something that might have happened into something that did happen

except I havent
regardless of if its retconned or not at the time of release when nox went back there was a rift caused by it regardless of if you want to believe it happened or not.

all you have been doing is ignoring this anamoly and saying "BUT IT DIDNT HAPPEN SO YOU ARE WRONG"
the problem here lies that you aren't willing to even try to see what could have happened
you honestly believe that I'm trying to change what happened in season 1 just because you dont want to admit that nox was wrong
guess what
he's still wrong

>>86762577
Is that poor guy still a frozen fishstick?

>>86762577
>I'm going to make the thread worse. That will help.

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35 minutes.

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>>86762576
I'm not saying there was still a rift after the retcon. I'm saying the authors obviously intended consequences to the time travel, and retconning Nail and everything that had to do with him doesn't invalidate that intent.

I think you need to stop picking at words just to keep arguing (and thinking you're talking to a single person), because obviously you and the other anon aren't getting anywhere.

As for me, I think I'll get back to just posting fan art since >>86762685 is getting ridiculous.

>>86762744
>I'm saying the authors obviously intended consequences to the time travel
There were consequences regardless. Yugo, for instance, still remembered what happened.

The problem wasn't picking at words, anon. It was trying to play up one instance into something it wasn't, especially when it no longer happened. Because they didn't need this one instance to show that Nox's time travel had unintended effects, they merely chose to use Nox's time travel to explain the introduction of a character. When they had to remove that character this didn't mean they couldn't still show there were consequences, even destructive consequences, in a myriad of ways. Have they chosen to do so?

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>>86731294
Not reading the whole thread, so if someone has all ready explained...

Normal inventor finds Dragon artifact which enhances his intelligence, at the cost of his sanity.
Uses new intelligence to learn Time Magic and creates a time-bubble in his lab/workshop so he can get more done.
Loses track of time and his wife and children leave him and he does not even notice.
Tries to follow them but he goes super mad and now thinks the Dragon artefact is talking to him, which beckons him back to his workshop.
The next time he leaves his time-bubble workshop, his wife and children are dead.
Concocts a mad scheme to turn back time so he can go be with his family.
It requires obscene amounts of magic and life energy to power the time reversal spell
Over the course of 200 years he destroys entire countries, commits total genocide on entire civilizations and kills countless people and unique mystical beings, rationalizing it's justified because it will all be undone when he succeeds.
200 years of genocide and destruction reversed time by 20 minutes.
Then he kills himself.

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>>86734359
I hate this meme.

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>>86738399
His fate is pretty clear. The end of his life was the only way he could be reunited with his family. The sand pile is atop their graves.

>>86762958
This anon had it best >>86740465

A lot of Nox's antics were calculated risks that failed to pay off, either from his madness or due to miscalculations on his effort. He was expending wakfu just to acquire it, and eating his payoff and lengthening his efforts. I suppose potentially some excuse can be made for him. He wouldn't have known precisely what the problem was at first until he tried and saw what he was acquiring towards his goal, but surely he wouldn't need 200 years to tell him how bad his plan was?

Then he expended a shit ton of Wakfu trying to defeat Grougaloragran but the dragon cheated him out of his return on investment by sacrificing himself knowing he would simply be reborn. If memory serves what he got from taking out Tree of Life took a huge hit in his fight with Yugo. Just Yogu touching the cube was a huge problem.

Would it have made the difference? I doubt it would have given him his full two hundred years.

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>>86763192
Truly he should have made a test run long before it got to season 1. He would have seen how much Wakfu was needed per minute and if there were any side effects. Plus since everything is rewinded, he could have just collected the expended Wakfu again.

Cube or no cube, Nox was always an amateur. In 200 years he couldn't think to validate his calculations.

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>>86763192
Personally I think he should have been building towards forming a time-portal, not reversing time.

>>86763323
Logically he should have been searching for a dimension where time flowed backwards and then just kicked it around there for two hundred years. Admittedly two hundred years of pooping backwards is a hefty price to pay.

It really tells you about the gods when no a single one even lifted a finger when Nox was wiping out a huge chunk of Sadida's followers. Not even Sadida himself did shit.

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>>86763378
But does such a dimension exist?

>>86763379
Ogrest is blocking the Gods influence. They can only act through intermediaries.

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>>86763379
Too busy selling calendars.

>>86763320
There's an old paradox about time travel which frankly I don't recall 100% off the top of my head. Not just the notion that if time travel was possible we'd have time tourists everywhere, but if you yourself decide to work on a time machine make a plan to go back and tell yourself that you succeeded. That way if you do plan on making a time machine and you don't visit yourself obviously you never find out how to make it work. Now you don't have to waste your life trying to figure it out!

>>86763379
Supposedly the gods are kind of fucked past Ogrest's Chaos and possibly hiding somewhere. Since it ties into the Brotherhood of the Forgotten I'm hoping we'll learn more about that in season 3 (after all they did show the BoT was going to pay a visit to the gods), but I fear that knowledge may be limited to the MMOs.

>>86763433
>But does such a dimension exist?
We never know until we search!

>>86763117
that picture is such a classic example of ruining crisp line art with overdetailing and shading

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>>86763659
Looks great to me.

YO

Should I watch Wakfu in French or English?

>>86764147
You can do both! Watch it in french language with english subtitles.

>>86764235
Thank, you. I tend to vastly prefer original language releases, except for maybe Cowboy Bebop.

>>86764284
If you watch it on Netflix the English subtitles are sadly, but understandably, based on the American localization so you'll get all the shitty name changes and so on.

>>86764574
Aw, balls. I'll see if I can find English subs based on the original audio someplace.

>>86764914
http://pastebin.com/pnixYFQ4

Why was S2 Yugo so much weaker then S1 finale Yugo?? He was so badass there

>>86765168
Other than the fact he wasn't boosted by the Eliacube?

>>86740214
>>86757280
New cartoon? How would basing it off Krosmaster be any different? New characters?

And just curious, but do any Eniripsa show up in any of the cartoons? It seems like they have an overabundance of different gods/races, so I'm not surprised if all haven't been shown off in all media, but I'm just curious.

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>>86765100
Good fucking lord, are you ever a sweetheart.

>>86746748
>And perhaps the best thing is how well his VA rendered that in the finale. You could *feel* how desperate he was, how he saw no other way to find a semblance of comfort in his own mind.
This. Fucking this.

>>86766216
this is the greatest picture ever posted on this board

>>86741334
I'm almost certain this is more complicated than the actual physics behind time

>>86730788
FUCK YOU WHY HE DID NOTHING WRONG AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA