There you have it, they all disgust Bruce!

>>86531859
I think he's saying Bruce disgusts himself.

>>86531859
Dick, Jason, and Tim sure.
Babs makes no sense.

>>86531859
When has Barbara ever been his child? Also someone ask how he feels about Duke.

>>86531859
that explains why he basically ignored them all past DOTF

>>86531937
In the DCAU.

Why would he consider Barbara his child? He didn't take her in or raise her.

Dick and Jason he probably does though.

>>86531859
They aren't his kids, anon. Tho, I do think he sees Jason as a son.

And honestly speaking, who cares about what Snyder say?

>>86531952
Just because Bruce was her daddy doesn't mean she was her child.

>>86531859
They aren't actually his children so I can see why he would recoil from that thought

>>86531952
You dont fuck your children

>>86531977
Why not?

Inb4 Damifag.

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>>86531952
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tqxzWdKKu8

>>86531977
Never stopped Batman before

>>86531959
Ask Damifag.

>>86531977
I've seen lots of porn that says different
It happens in life

>>86531977
That's why Dick and Barbara aren't his children.

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>>86531989
>*Alfred turns up the radio in the kitchen*

Batman loves his kids. Snyder can go home.

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>>86532067
>No Alfred I don't need anything you can just go and stay upstairs

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>>86532072
He's just following canon though

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>>86531975
Because he's an emotionally retentive asshole who thinks denying his feelings for his family will shield him from the pain of losing them again or that admitting his feelings would jinx them to tragedy.

>>86531859
He saying that Bruce feels unworthy to be their father, not that he disgusted with them.

And beside...
>>86531959
>>86531975
...this. None of them are his kids besides Jason and Damian.

>>86532505
Didn't he adopt Tim after Digger killed his father?

>>86532738
Yes
And Dick back in one of the earlier issues of Gotham Knights

>>86531988
>I'll have to congratulate MY DICK

>>86531859
Babs has NEVER been part of the batfamily.

Tim, Dick, Jason, Damian, and Cass are the batfamily.

Alfred too. But that's it.

>>86532180
Except that's hasnt been the case, EVER. He doesnt deny anything, he is the kind of person that thinks watching movies with his kids, and going on trips and training are "bonding" and replace other forms of affection, most of his kids had other parents and he didnt want to insult the memory of their parents, it's the same Alfred did with him. That's why he was different with Cass and in a sense with Damian.

>>86532505
>...this. None of them are his kids besides Jason and Damian.

He adopted Jason, he started taking responsability as Dick's dad after prodigal and the death of superman, and then adopted him, he adopted Cassandra, Then he adopted Tim.

>>86532810
>and Cass
Writers kept forgetting about her adoption even before the new-52.

>>86531859
Snyder sux

>>86532867
dick's got mentioned once after the fact for drama and then never again
morrison even started to push them being brothers since that's what he preferred them as

>>86532918
I can understand why Dick would want a more brotherly relationship with Bruce. It puts them on more equal footing than a father/son relationship would and I feel like Dick WANTS to be seen as Bruce's equal.

>Snyder doesn't know shit about the Batfamily
Surprise, surprise

>>86532918
Actually thinking about it the only character the adoption became an important plot point for was post Damian "call me Tim Drake-Wayne".

>>86532952
yes it's also why the only person damian had a real problem with was tim and not dick, barbara, cass, etc
he felt threatened by tim being adopted and made a point to point out that tim was adopted, and everybody pretty much ignored that jason, dick, and eventually cass were adopted too

>>86532918
For morrison it had to do with this

>>86532952
>>86533094


It had to do with the narrative and not with anything else, it's the same reason Cassandra wasnt important in his run, there was no space for here. The Dick and Bruce see tehmselves as brothers and equals may work on their early years and as delutions of both of them to not deal with their real responsabilities.

>>86531859
I like when Dick is like a little brother, and the rest are his sons.

>>86532738
>>86532753
He did in pre-Flashpoint, but Tim's parents are alive in N52 and Dick adoption was hardly mentioned.

>>86532853
>he adopted Cassandra
He did not.

>>86531859
Well of course. The thought of molesting his kids is gross. That's why he doesn't consider them his kids.

>>86531859
Also that's why his Batman sucked.

Too bad he wasn't able to continue writing Dickbats. He was great at that.

>>86532945
>Dick would want a more brotherly relationship with Bruce
Dick actually want a father/Son relationship, but Bruce is the one who doesn't seem to get the hint (or simply doesn't want to).

People will give him shit because >Snyder, but I remember the same feeling on Morrison's Batman, on those two issues going over Batman's history after RIP, he straight up denies Jason Todd.

>>86533564
>he straight up denies Jason Todd
Huh? What did he do?

Though, it does not suprise me considering how he turned Jason into a literal red headed step child and how he had Batman forcing him to dye his hair. I'm honestly glad that his writing with Jason can never be considered canon.

>>86533707
Nah, Morrison's run is still canon, and is more canon than Lobdell's RHATO will ever be

>>86533730
It cannot be you freaking idiot because Jason isn't red headed.

>>86533564
Jasonfags hate all Bat writers who don't treat Jason as a Mary Sue

>>86533770
Meanwhile, Lobdell's fanfic gets retconned every three issues

>>86533797
What does Lobdell have to do with Morrison you freaking moron.

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>>86533391
Would you say that being wrong is a hobby of yours, or more of a job?

>>86533896
It's actually seem to be your hobby because Batman never got the chance to officially adopt her.

>>86533797
No it doesn't the guy has fucking ADHD and if he gets bored of an idea it never gets brought up again, see All-Cast, Crux etc, its bad story telling, but that isn't a retcon.

>>86533984
>Starfire faking her memories
>Batfamily suddenly forgetting that Jason tried to kill them
>Jason's origin
>Jason loves Bruce, Jason hates Bruce, no wait Jason loves Bruce, but now he hates him again

>>86534100
I'm trying so hard not to face plam. Like really freaking hard.

>Starfire faking her memories
Starfire revealing that she was faking was I'm Tynion run.
>Batfamily suddenly forgetting that Jason tried to kill them
Because it didn't happened. Morrison's run with Jason, Jason attacking Tim in TT and Bftc aren't canon.
>Jason's origin
It only changed Jason meeting with Bruce because many of Jason fans didn't like the N52 origin.
>Jason loves Bruce, Jason hates Bruce, no wait Jason loves Bruce, but now he hates him again
Do you have any idea on how their relationship work? Jason and Bruce cares about each other, but there will always tension between them.

I liked your batman run, but Jesus that's a terrible thing to think. Thank god based king is writing now

>>86534386
*in Tynion run
*he only changed

>>86534386
>Because it didn't happened. Morrison's run with Jason, Jason attacking Tim in TT and Bftc aren't canon.

Jason straight up admits that he tried to kill Dick in the first issue, and admitted to not "being nice" to Tim later on. Put 2 and 2 together.

>It only changed Jason meeting with Bruce because many of Jason fans didn't like the N52 origin.

so in other words it was retconned, okay

>Do you have any idea on how their relationship work? Jason and Bruce cares about each other, but there will always tension between them.

Except that there's no organic progression between moments where Jason angsts against Bruce, and moments where Jason is thankful towards Bruce. It's just shit that's hazily tossed into internal monologues.

Do all Jasonfags have trouble with reading comprehension, or just Lobdellfags?

>>86534386
Not to mention that Lobdell tried to make Jason and Batman reconcile in rhato #18, but Tomasi is the one who destroyed the chance because muh drama.

>>86534100
Only one I'll give you is Jasons origin, I'd blanked the whole Joker thing, but it didn't get changed after only 3 issues, it never got brought up again before being removed in Rebirth. And seriously your complaining they forgot Jason tried to kill them, when every writer seemed to forget that, and even Morrison made him Wingman?

>>86534481
>Jason straight up admits that he tried to kill Dick in the first issue, and admitted to not "being nice" to Tim later on. Put 2 and 2 together.

Because no freaking writer know what canon and wasn't in the beginning which is why N52 was a freaking mess.

And Lobdell tried to keep Jason away from Batfamily, but rhato being dragged into crossovers changed the plan.

>Except that there's no organic progression between moments where Jason angsts against Bruce, and moments where Jason is thankful towards Bruce. It's just shit that's hazily tossed into internal monologues

I dare you to show me a panel of Jason declaring that he hate Bruce from Lobdell run after their moment in issue 18.

And Jason was freaking happy that Bruce is alive, but that doesn't mean that everything is prefect between them.

>>86533258
>The Dick and Bruce see tehmselves as brothers and equals may work on their early years and as delutions of both of them to not deal with their real responsabilities.

Dick and Bruce as best friends & bros is the best possible definition of their relationship. It reflects friendship and trust but manages to allow them room to be apart.

The Father/Son dynamic is shit and literally kills them. It leads to the lame as shit like "overbearing control freak" dad or "mopey do you even love me" son.

>>86535351

Bruce is Dick's mentor and father-figure. They are not "best friends" and they certainly aren't brothers. Saying any kind of father-son relationship is inherently shit is some of the funniest stuff I've read all day.

>>86535517
Father/Son dynamic has been shit since Lonely Place of Dying.

Bruce and Dick are best friends though. They have been for 75 years

>>86535517
>They are not "best friends" and they certainly aren't brothers
Except they have been under numerous writers
More writers than they've been father/son

>>86535351
This guy gets it

>>86535517
They were best friends and more brotherly from Dick's creation to New Teen Titans where Wolfman created more father/son subtext to try and make Dick more independent, and then had Bruce say he didn't see Dick as his son while he was Robin. And then Dixon and Grayson were pretty much the only other writers to push the father/son relationship really hard and the latter shipped them at the same time. And then after they left, the father/son thing was dropped pretty fast.

>>86536043
>Wolfman created more father/son subtext to try and make Dick more independent

In the long run had the opposite effect.

>>86536353
It worked for a little bit until the Titans franchise collapsed around the same time the Batman one exploded

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>>86533946

Actually, non that anon you're debating with but...
He did. Dick even confirms it.

But, this was the last time it was officially acknowledged by anyone. Other than Gates of Gotham having Dick, Cass, Tim, and Damian. You know Bruce's "good" kids at the time (Jason was in prison and in the final Batman & Robin arc that was going on at this time [/spoiler ) banding together to save the city.

>>86536514
> non

Not anyway yeah I really gotta learn my spoiler tags again.

>>86536514
Wait, does this confirm that Dick adoption isn't canon?

Though Cassandra was adopted I don't believe they ever did anything with it. Makes sense considering the entire arc where it happened was shit so it's better to ignore everything that resulted from it.

Jason makes the most sense as his "son" as Jason is the only one who isn't much connected to his own parents and he has daddy issues concerning Batman.

I feel like people wanting Tim to be Batman's son, especially those that want him to be called Tim Wayne instead of Drake, are misunderstanding why he even is with Batman as his "son". Between having Jack Drake as his father and Bruce Tim would choose Jack Drake every time as that is the man who lovingly raised him. Who'd take on the name of your mentor after the family member who gave you your name you're closest to dies tragically? If his dad wasn't dead he wouldn't want to be a Wayne either.

With Dick it's similar but different as he was taken in much younger, but he still loved his parents and their death is why he's Robin in the first place. Bruce knows what it's like to lose both your parents and he'd understand that they can't easily be replaced.

>>86536587
I don't think its's been confirmed if anyone is currently adopted in 52/Rebirth. Though I guess he must have told someone in charge he was caring for a minor with dead parents.

>>86535800
Name them and post examples

>>86535776
No they haven't. You must have a seriously fucked up view of the best friend dichotomy.

>>86536043
They weren't brotherly. They were more silly and chummy and indicative of an uncle-nephew relationship, but they weren't peers. Bruce still viewed Dick as his responsibility and chided him like the child he was at times.

>>86536632
I was talking about pre-Flashpoint time line.

>I don't think its's been confirmed if anyone is currently adopted in 52/Rebirth
I don't remember where I read it, but I think someone mentioned that Jason was adopted (maybe I just imagined it tho).

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>>86536649
>They weren't brotherly.
do you even 70s

>>86536798
Nah man Dixon is the only Bat writer that matters

>>86536827
Seems like it
Batfamilyfags are literally stuck in that era despite it ending over a decade ago and things changing since then
Most can't even admit Dixon changed shit to his liking and pretended it was like that all along

>>86536706
It was actually hinted that Jason is adopted in N52.

>>86536629
Yeah, I always hated how Tim used the Wayne surname shortly after his father dead. Heck, even Jason who hated his father never used the surname.

>>86536629
And with Dick it's similar to Cass' in that they let him be adopted, it was mentioned once after, and then everybody else ignored it in favor of pushing what they liked

>another batfamily thread gets derailed by jasonfags

Can DC stop trying to make Bruce and Dick like brothers? Their father-son relationship is better.

Dick i more of a Brother. The other Robinsare more of a son. Barbara is horseshit.

>>86537536
see
>>86535351

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>>86531859

No, it's that he can't reconcile the fact that he also wants to fuck them all.

>>86537632
>Bruce wanting to fuck barbara
Fuck off Timm

>>86537695
>Bruce thinks of Babs as his kid

When did this meme start?

>>86537746
Bruce shouldn't fuck Barbara because women are gross, not because she is her kid

>>86537746
The joke is I am ok with Bruce fucking Dick, Jason, Tim, etc but not Barbara, despite the 3 being presented as Bruce's children, anon.

>>86537624

Disagree. Afaic, Dick and Bruce should be like father and son. Likewise with Jason, but I prefer him dead so it's more like a father mourning his kid. Tim doesn't need Bruce as his dad though. He has a dad,