Why are moralfags so annoying?

What's the feeling of touching Venom/Carnage?

Is it gooey and drippy or soft like jelly?

>>86376560
Spider-Man /has/ to be a moralfag. The entire point of his character is that he's so traumatized by death that he can't stand the thought of it.

>>86376727
I imagine it's like the floor at a movie theater.

>>86376727
I imagine the consistency changes...seeing as they are pretty resilient to physical damage and can dish out quite a lot of it, and in the case of Carnage often forms solid/razor sharp constructs....I'd imagine the symbiote is as hard or as soft as it needs to be at any given moment

>>86376560
Why are edgelords so cringeworthy?

>>86376992
He's right though, Carnage is a mass murder who should have been put down along time ago

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>>86376992
Fuck you say bitch?

>>86376560

For every time Carnage had one slightly successful killing spree like in Maximum Carnage, they caught his ass ten times with no casualities. The authorities should have fucking executed him any of those times rather than leaving him locked up.

>>86377222
>The authorities should have fucking executed him any of those times rather than leaving him locked up.

This. A MILLION times this. How many moralfags would actually object if they were executed legally after being tried. I don't care how badly Peter doesn't want to kill anyone, if the state of New York tried him, found him guilty, and sentenced him to death, I don't think Peter would be in a rush to stop them, unless it's to tell them that lethal injection won't work and to try a guillotine.

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>>86376727
It hardens in response to physical trauma

>>86377222
>>86377310
New York doesn't have a death penalty.

Why the fuck read capes if you get annoyed by why they don't kill

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>>86377310
Oh, Pete would. It's in his character to, I get that much but it doesn't change the fact that it makes me want to bite my own face off whenever I see moments like this in comics.

>>86377412
It looks like Peter's eyes are slowly rising.

>>86377449
That's one of his abilities

>>86376560
Using the word moralfag is so cringey and condemning in my eyes
How fucking old are you?

>>86377412
It's hilarious
You implying that you would be easily capable of killing

>>86377412

Pete only did it there because Carnage wasn't tried and sentenced to death yet.

>>86378014
27, probably older than you fucking Disney twerps who's first exposure to capeshit was the MCU, which ironically is full of heroes killing people.

>>86378109
>It's hilarious
>You implying that you would be easily capable of killing

I think it's more hilarious that you think most people aren't "capable of killing", maybe you're some kind of delusional autist but uh....yeah, killing kind of is a common thing within the real world pal, and people do it for many petty reasons.

I bet you're the kind of faggot who doesn't think anybody dies in war, or thinks war is justified killing because....your dad told you or something that it's different if the badguys don't live in your country or some stupid reason but other than that you think killing is some dramatic crazy thing that NO decent person would ever do.

>>86376727
Soft and moist

This is a bait ass thread

>>86377412

The answer to this, and always the answer -

Authorities in these universes BARELY tolerate vigilantes to fucking begin with. Even Superman gets hounded by the army a lot of the time and Captain fucking America hunted down by Shield for the slightest disagreement.

The average person would be glad Carnage is dead, but how many people would start to distrust heroes once they start murdering the shit out of villains?

Firestorm was fucking COOKING a human being and alien monster alive. The kind of power that she has in order to do that is horriffic to normal people. Once she kills his ass, regardless if it's self-defense or not, they're going to expect her ass to play ball and come to court, reveal her identity, etc and harass the shit out of her. Look at all the heat for the times Spider-Man was even suspected of murder for shit he didn't do, he couldn't take a shit without police shooting at him. Every incident like that builds up in the eyes of the government or SHIELD and shit like that is what got the ball rolling for Civil War until Stamford was the straw that broke the Camel's back.

>>86378581
>The answer to this, and always the answer -

I don't believe I asked any question you presumptuous ass. In fact in the very post you quoted I said right out that I understand why Peter doesn't kill people, but that moments like that annoy me nonetheless. Just like some faggots get pissy eyed every time The Punisher or Venom kills somebody.

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>>86378437
>unironically calling someone a twerp

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>>86379494
>unironically being a twerp

>>86379879
Vickie, please leave

>>86378581
But that has nothing to do with their morals. Pete just doesn't feel it's his call to end a life.
That would probably be fine if he didn't feel the need to project that moral on everyone else for every villain.

Heroes are hypocrites, yeh m8

>>86381814
It's why we love them.

>>86378922

>I don't believe I asked any question y

I really don't give a fuck, stop making stupid ass threads

>>86384076
Stop being a limp wristed faggot you sheltered queer.

>>86380064

He was doing Firestar a favor, is the point.

>>86384090

>Calls other people a faggot
>Got mad enough over funnybooks to make an angry thread

Boo fuckin' hoo

>>86384196
Faggot

>angry thread
>implying
Double faggot nu male, got into comics within the last year did ya? I can tell, sissy

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>>86376560
>implying

>>86376560

Op, your a faggot. What? Someone told you you cant lust after little girls so you came to bitch on the internet? It isn't socially exceptable to perpetrate violence so you whine like a useless cunt? What? What morals do you have a problem with? Why would you have a problem with morals? Do you not realize how important they are?

That being said if your bitching about limp dicks who argue against the death sentence i'm more or less with you on that one.

>>86377176
Edge lords, why you so cringy?

>>86386466
Why are you using memespeak?

>>86376727
like skin when bonded like goop when free and like the a iron door when hit

>>86386202
With great power comes great responsibility

The responsibility to stomp out scum is great, bandaids don't work

>>86376560
Fags is in their name.

>>86378437
Wow just listen to how cringey you are
You sound like one of those children on /b/ that talks shit about ISIS prisoners because they let themselves be executed.
Or let me guess, you think it's all fake.
You are young and full of shit
You would cry like a fucking baby
Real men don't spout shit like this about killing.

>>86378922
You are such a little bitch it's not even funny

>>86380064
It isn't projection
You
Dense
Mother
Fucker

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>>86378437

>>86384090
Sheltered?
This little shiy thinks he's hard
Where you live, kid?
Your daddy not very nice?

>>86376992
What's edgy about killing a mass murder or making him suffer a bit? Carnage has gone to kill hundred, possibility thousands, of people including children, in horrible and gruesome ways.

And now you telling me that wishing him receiving some real justice is cringeworthy? What's wrong with you?!

Spiderman and people like you have the blood of the innocent people Carnage killed on your hands.

>>86385011
This man is a virgin with a baby penis

>>86387236
Lolololol
That is what you think that means?

>>86388325
You could become a killer then, anon?

>>86388325
Cuh-ringe.

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>>86388325

>>86388360
>>86388377
>>86388573
BLOOD.ON,YOUR.HANDS.

>You could become a killer then, anon?

Only in self defence or the defence of others.

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>>86388573

>>86380064
Batman does the same thing. And altar boy did it with Frank in his TV show.

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>>86376560
It's fun to watch them go berserk every once in a while.

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>>86388619
>>86388637

>>86388619
That's noble of you
But i doubt it feels that simple

>>86388674
>altar boy did it with Frank
Frank looks the type.

>>86388619
Then why don't you go out and murder some criminals, you worthless excuse for an armchair vigilante?

>>86388725
Right?
This is like the ultimate easier said than done

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>>86388325

>>86388712
Not the same guy.

>>86388798
I think it probably still applies

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>>86388262
I'll kick your ass
>>86388282
And yours
>>86388312
And yours
>>86388319
And yours
By the way, Detroit chumpette, where you from?
>>86388346
And yours

>>86389341
(You)
(YOU)
(YOU!)

>>86388325
>real justice

>>86390015
Not that anon but just what are you getting at here

>>86389341
No wonder you think you're hard
Flint, boy

>>86390343
Do you think real justice ever involves killing?

>>86390343
That killing someone isn't "real justice" just because you think it's what they deserve.

>>86389341
First he tells us his age
Now threats of
>physical violence

>>86390525
Exactly. They deserve to be tortured, depending on their crime. Death is just the easy option.

>>86390562
What did they do to you?
It's going to be OK

>>86376727
in comics it has been described as touching: garbage
raw beef
slime
vomit
and sewage

>>86376992
no fucking idea but Eddie Venom up till Flash was the original "ow the edge"

>>86390589
I'm fine, I live an easy life compared to everyone else. The worst thing that happened to me doesn't even come close to what kind of pain others have felt.

>>86390684
Yeah
I mean, I liked Venom like that too
OP hasn't grown out of it

>>86390709
It's easy to tell yourself that
To explain the pain away
But you still matter
Your pain matters
And it always hurts
It doesn't make your weak
Don't be a fool

>>86390774
You don't know me, my life is fucking great. Fuck off.

>>86376560
Because as villains become more horrific, "no kill" policies become more harmful and counter-intuitive. At that point, they start fighting against "pragmatic heroes" who "do the things that they don't have the guts to do" and are unfortunately turned into idiots who don't know where to stop because that's what happens when you "cross the line" apparently.

>>86390562
t. subhuman scum

>>86390729
As satire sure but you can't making him anymore depth then he was. He was a low depth villain, a horror villain for Spider man like Vermin, Morbius and the like, he was never meant to be a hero. I feel if he was created four years sooner he would have stayed like that rather then become the paradoxical mess of an anti-hero we had in the 90s

>>86390778
I don't know why Lobo is picking on that little girl
But this points out that morals are what make moral ambiguity interesting at all
A moral code keeps us riding that edge
From a writerly stand point

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TLDR for the thread

>>86390806
You don't seem happy
And with this kind of philosophy
Something must have you angrier than you feel comfortable admitting

>>86390899
Yes

>>86390899
which power ranger is that?

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>>86390958

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>>86390839
it's jenny quantum
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenny_Quantum
from the authority.

she found the comic of lobo killing santa clause.
used her powers to pull lobo to her universe (or basicly making him real)
big fight happens.
then lobo explains to her, that by making the events of that comic real, she has killed santa.
here is the page before the other one i posted

>>86377028
That's for the authorities to decide. Batman is the only cape character who actively works against capital punishment.

>>86378014
defending moralfaggotry is far more cringey than criticising it.

>Joke I have caught you killing dozens of people again now I will put you back somewhere where you will get out in several weeks and kill another dozen people before I catch you and also I will stop anyone else from killing you

"10/10 impeccable writing this is why I read comicbooks"
-you

>>86376560
Kenshiro is,like, the ULTIMATE example of perfect justice. He is a pillar of morality, nobility and compassion, but he also knows when to blow up some motherfuckers. He can literally sense if someone is misguided or truly evil. So yes, killing is perfectly acceptable if you're dealing with literal embodiments of evil like Carnage and Joker.
Also, what i really fucking hate about guys like Daredevil, Spider-Man and Batman is that they will absolute prioritize saving the villain and letting him get away to commit more atrocities over letting somebody kill him. Fucking Spider-man didn't let a father kill Cassidy to avenge his daughter, HOW THE FUCK DO YOU JUSTIFY THIS SHIT? It reeks of insecurity, like they don't want the other guy to be proven right and show that their way isn't the only right way. It's pathetic.

>>86391561
So why are you blaming the hero under those circumstances? If the fucknuts who operated the prisons did their jobs there wouldn't be a problem.

>>86391561
>Implying I care whether the plot or characters are realistic

Nigga I'm here to watch buff men and sexy women put on costumes and beat the shit out of mad scientists, crazy gangsters, and each other. The premise is inherently ridiculous, you're missing the point.

>>86388325

Because it's comics and doesn't stick. He just came back with new legs.

Wish you and the other morons would get it through your skulls that fiction isn't reality no matter how much you want it to be.

>>86376560
To me this raises a far more pressing question:
WHY THE FUCK HAVEN'T "THE AUTHORITIES" EXECUTED ANY OF THESE PSYCHOS?
We've been shown time and again that the US government and SHIELD is willing to kill people all the time. Why the fuck didn't they push for the death penalty for any of these guys or quietly kill them and then claim it was self-defense or something?
They waste billions of dollars on giant robots to kill mutants, yet won't can't spare a bullet for the Red Skull or Carnage?

>>86377345
Most villains have committed crimes on such a huge scale that they'd probably be tried by federal courts, which do have the death penalty.

>>86392001
Because then the authors would have to come up with new villains every single comic, and there would never be recurring villains to boost interest in a franchise.

>>86391792
>it doesn't matter how shit the writing and characterisation is because the story has a fantastic premise

what a retarded argument.
You should be embarrassed about writing something so obviously moronic.

>>86391741
because saving and improving the lives of innocents should be a higher priority than defending the life of a remorseless serial killer who will kill again. And if this is meant to be a flaw in the hero's personality then it should be treated like a flaw rather than treated by the comic like it is something laudable.

>>86376560

Do you really find ALL moralfags annoying? Or just certain kinds?

Because you could argue that, say, Batman and the Punisher each have strong moral codes they adhere to. They're just opposing codes.

>>86392296
But that doesn't answer literally anything I asked. Why is it the hero's job to murder the villain? The hero is handing the villain over to people who, by all rights, should put them away for life or execute them. So when the villain escapes a few weeks later, that's not the hero's fault - it's the fault of the idiots who can't keep the villain locked up. The hero did everything right.

>>86376754
until he decides it's stupid and rips off the face of one of his enemies wife

>>86392001

Maybe because the continued existence of these threats justify their maintaining and increasing in power?

>>86391561
If standing up for what is right is cringey
Then that explains a lot about our world

>>86391707
It's not pathetic
It's honor

>>86388325
vengeance is inherently edgy anon

Because if you kill him, you'll ruin the status quo. And nerds with disposable income won't spend their money on this stuff anymore.

Seriously though, why do capefags like making up headcanon bullshit to why the villains never really get stopped?

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>nobody looked down on the TMNT for killing
>nobody looked down on the Power Rangers for killing
>nobody looked down on Samurai Jack when he killed

>want a Marvel/DC character to kill some of their enemies
>get called edgy

No wonder this shit keeps making a profit.

>>86392810
No
It's literately about people thinking being moral is some how weak

>>86392296
>what a retarded argument.
>You should be embarrassed about writing something so obviously moronic

Why should I be embarrassed because you misunderstood what I said? I said it doesn't matter whether or not the plot is realistic, not whether it's well written and consistent. Just because a story is unrealistic doesn't mean it's shittily written.

>>86392810
At this point, the long-standing universes of Marvel and DC more or less have had every principal bend over backwards to ensure that the heroes don't have to kill. These are corporate giants hardened under the comics code.

A better question is, "Why do Marvel and DC have a damn near monopoly on fiction involving superhumans?"

Heroes was dope and did well enough to show that normie scum can find superheroes entertaining. Even before that, Buffy was essentially a superhero. So why are DC and Marvel the only ones successfully pushing this shit? I'd fucking love to see a shared fiction universe that involves thinking just a little bit about the wider ramifications of costumed heroes.

(inb4 Wild Cards-- That's not successfully pushing this shit. It's absolutely fucking unknown, and crap, to boot.)

>>86392649
>It's honor
Literally not even the heroes use this argument, how the fuck did you come up with it? It's muh better way and muh everyone deserves a chance, and then those very same fucking heroes snap when their loved ones are hurt and kill the villains. Daredevil did, Spider-man did (and he was explicitly going to kill Kingpin as soon as his aunt died), etc. Fucking hypocrites.

>>86392947
There's a difference between being moral and being a super fucking retard. No one here is taking issue with them not wanting to kill, we're taking issue with them doing everything they can to stop the people who do.

>>86393223
Do I have to remind you that the one time Daredevil killed Bullseye, he was then brought back from dead like nothing?

While Daredevil also went full evil due to getting possesed and shit, and had to commit seppuku so that everything would go ok again (sorta)?

The true reason why heroes don't kill is simple: Because of the STATUS QUO.

If they kill someone, the villain will eventually be brought back again, with the possibility of the villain going 10 times worse than before, thanks to the possible next writer having a hard-on over that specific villain.

That's why The Joker is still able to rum rampant and Batman is so criticized over not killing, because authors can't do what they want thanks to their companies and fans having a watchful eye over what they might be doing.

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>>86376560
It says a lot when Surfer, who is the biggest moralfag/pacifist in comics, knows how to handle shit. This guy makes Spider-man look like Carnage, yet he's better then him.

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>>86394093

>>86392810
People are stupid

>>86390525
Justice is a social construct, it is up to the imagination of every person to define

>>86377412
>>86376560
>>86377176

>Maximum Carnage

god that brings back memories, I was going thru anything spidey related in the mid ninties and when this huge event happened I was so excited to see one story told over all the titles.

Yet I feel almost relieved that I've lost that innocence now.

>>86394093

Not everyone has those fucking powers you shmuck

ITT: OP samefags for over 12 hours because he's either butthurt or doesn't quite get how to effectively troll /co/

>>86394357
It's not about the powers, it's about doing what needs to be done.

>>86376560
They aren't. Or I mean, they can be good. Kenshiro and Jonathan Joestar are moralfags done right. A lot of cape characters are crippled from any potential growth because their moralfaggotry is their sole defining characteristic.

>>86394441
And yet somehow that didn't stop Carnage permanently either. Guess he didn't do what it took after all.

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>>86394409
OP here, I posted like idk....five or six times ITT, and it's very obvious when it's me because I'm using a Venom image and threatening faggots like you pussy

But hey, nice first visit to 4chan

>>86394575
It didn't stop him permanently because the next guy who wrote him literally ignored it happened, but he put far more effort in in that one act then Spider-man in his whole career.

>>86376560
why are you so triggered by them, Zack?

>>86390899
Spider-Man/Kamen Rider crossover when?

>>86394705
But it didn't do him any good, did he? Your entire argument hinges on the idea that amoralfaggotry gets shit done, but it doesn't.

>>86392527
After they slaughtered his twin brother like a wild animal.

>>86393223
Yeah
Someone must have told you that you aren't special or something

>>86394119
You really want to be on the other side of that line?

>>86394700
>threatening
Fuck, the cringe doesn't end

>>86394931
First off, i'm not OP or the guy you previously responded too. Second, the fact that you have to paint anyone with an opposing argument as someone with problems and an agenda just shows how pathetic you are.

>>86376560

How does the Symbiote's mouth work considering there's supposed to be a human inside?

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>Moralfags will justify this bullshit
Based Wolverine is the only one who knows whats up.

>>86395030
That's some sjw bullshit speak
You think you're hard?
You could kill and not be changed completely?
Fucking kids

>>86391867
>fiction isn't reality no matter how much you want it to be.

So what? I cannot call out comic heroes on their bullshit codes and ideals just because they are fictional?

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>>86395052
Here's the second page. Just look at that smug fucking face. He massacred an entire town and he gets away with it, and he'll do it again and again, and he knows who he owes it too.

>>86388725
I am not saying I am go out there and murder bad people. I am criticizing someone who had the power and ability to end a serious threat to society but choose to bitch out because of some retarded ideals. Spiderman is not noble for sparing Carnage and the people who support his way of thinking are just as bas as the mass murders.

>>86395116
You are so easily seduced by the dark side

>>86395086
Had you actually read my argument, i was criticizing them for not letting guys like Punisher to their thing. It's one thing to be a moralfag. It's another to push your moralfaggotry onto everyone and everything. In any situation where someone with balls is about to kill the villain, they'll ALWAYS prioritize fighting the hero and letting the villain escape to commit more evil. And it's obvious they're doing it because they feel guys like that invalidate their entire philosophy. It's pathetic.

>>86395160
You support Garfield for president?

>>86395165
What are you talking about, LOOK AT THAT SMUG MOTHERFUCKER. He just committed mini-genocide and he's getting off Scott free because mun uncle Ben got shot so kiwing is no no waaah.

>>86395179
You think Frank Castle is happy and well adjusted?
You can be happier than this

>>86395036
The symbiote mutates the host.

>>86395087
I mean you can, but you're completely and utterly wrong. Your argument that their codes and ideals are idiotic are based on a selective interpretation of comic reality that doesn't hold up to even casual scrutiny.

>>86395215
You need to have patience and resilience.
Toy are already broken when you sink that low.
That's what they want

>>86395052
How come no one every bat an eye or tell Logan off, when he kills someone? How can he kill?

>>86395259
What does that have to do with anything? He's miserable, but we're not going on about how moralfags should kill. Frank is literally 100% hero and good, always prioritizes saving innocents, ready to die for them, loves kids, cares for people etc. Yet he's also FAR more effective then Spider-Man or Daredevil. Fuck, he doesn't even have a rouges gallery except for one asshole who's basically plot armor incarnate. And it's ABSOLUTELY OK if Spider-man refuses to kill. But stop fucking stopping people who do, especially in situations like this >>86395052. How can you justify this shit? Pushing his moralfaggotry on a dude whose daughter was horribly murdered. Inexcusable.

>>86395333
He does it in the heat of battle, also they know he's SUPER traumatized and crazy. But yea, it's bullshit.

>>86395293
What are you talking about, they wont get anything they want, because they'll be dead.

>>86395289
I wholly disagree. The existence of heroes within the same universe with different ideals that produce results (The Punisher), allows us to judge the ideals of other heroes that fail to produce results as retarded.

>>86395338
Then we would all just be a descending series of punishers
All hope lost
What makes you need revenge so bad?

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Optimus Prime, probably the biggest paragon of morality in fiction, BTFO'S moralfags forever.

>>86395381
You have no foresight

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>>86395439

>>86394700
>Threatening.

OP's ideas of threatening are.

>Fuck you say bitch?
>I'll kick your ass
and
>it doesn't change the fact that it makes me want to bite my own face off

What a fag.

>>86395445
What is it with you people thinking that if somebody kills once, they'll become a bloodthirsty monster?

>>86395392
Yeah, he sure has done a great job against the Kingpin and Jigsaw.

>>86376560
Iunno, why haven't you gone and murdered your local sex offender yet?

>>86395420
I'm not saying all heroes should kill, i'm saying let those that do do their thing.
>>>86395491
>Kingpin
He can't get to him, also Marvel's main criminal so plot armor.
>Jigsaw
Plot armor incarnate because Frank needs at least ONE iconic villain.
If this is your idea of a counter-argument, just stop.

>>86395483
Is that what you think we are saying?
Is everything so black and white with you all the time?

>>86395534
Apparently it is with you. I have a very simple philosophy about this stuff. You act like a man, you get treated like a man, you act like an animal, you get put down like one. Of course, there are also factors like what got the person into crime, what crimes they've committed, and how much they're willing to change, but this is fucking CARNAGE we're talking about. He'd need to get ass-raped by Mephisto for a century before he BEGAN to get his just desserts.

>>86395520
No. Punisher is exactly as effective as Spider-Man - both of them permanently takes down ineffective, inconsequential mooks, but are completely ineffective against their real villains because if they were effective, the story would be over. If Punisher just threw his enemies in jail, he wouldn't be any less effective than he is now, and if Spidey killed his, he wouldn't be any more effective. You're operating under a fundamental misunderstanding of how the superheroic world works.

>>86395579
Listen
I wish we could do that
But we as humans are still animals
And we stand on a slippery slope at all times
We could be wild again before we know it
It's not that we let Frank and even Mephisto do their thing
It's that they can't all be stopped
We can only try to be better
Perhaps even a paragon

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>>86392810
>TMNT

Rarely killed, and even then that's exclusive to the comics that no one gives a shit about.

>Power Rangers

A rotating cast of people with variable morals destroying demons/clay figures? The fact that you even brought them into this discussion is stupid.

>Samurai Jack

When has he EVER killed anything that wasn't a demon/robot?

>>86376560

This art looks amazing, whats it from? Makes me want to get into spider-man

>>86395639
Except Punisher kills a lot of small-time supervillains and serial killers which would otherwise break out during the mountain of prison breaks that regularly occur in comics.
>You're operating under a fundamental misunderstanding of how the superheroic world works.
Not really, especially considering that a good number of people Frank kills are shown to have actually been captured by Daredevil and the like and simply fucked the system, and would do so again. Anything else?

>>86396642
He massacred those bounty hunters.

>>86397036
And Spider-Man captures a lot of low level criminals who aren't interesting and don't reappear again. It's just how comics work - if they're interesting, they're coming back, and if they aren't, then they're gone for good.

>>86397153
Not him, but you're mixing your arguments here. The discussion is about the morals behind killing a violent, irredeemable sociopath, not the narrative reasons for not killing villains.

>>86397353
To respond to you and answer the OP at the same time:

Moralfags are annoying as fuck because they conflate the two ideals at all times.

That's it. That's the ticket. That's the whole fucking argument, solved, and served up to you on a plate. Have a nice day.

>>86396642
>Rarely killed, and even then that's exclusive to the comics that no one gives a shit about.
Poseur

>>86397353
But the narrative reasons are what matters. In the real world, you lock violent, irredeemable sociopaths in prison and keep them from getting out. Life without parole generally works pretty well for keeping violent, irredeemable sociopaths from continuing to kill. But that doesn't work in comics, because that would mean they can't have recurring villains. That's why they have revolving door prisons. Amoralfags don't get that, and instead point to the revolving door prisons as the reason the villains come back, and shit on the heroes for not killing them. They don't get that won't work either, for the same narrative conventions that create revolving door prisons. Either the hero will never manage to take the villains down, or they'll just come back through other narrative contrivances. Killing villains would literally just be for the edge of it.

>>86398500
None of that matters, the only thing that matters is that moral fags are annoying

>you're not allowed to be annoyed, let me tell you why

>>86376560
You wanna know what else is bullshit? "If you kill him, you'll be just like him"

>>86399570
Sounds more like amoralfags are thin-skinned and whiny.
>reeeeee stop oppressing me by making arguments!
>respect my fee-fees!

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>>86400099
More like you're being a damage control fag for something that doesn't require it, since this thread was just supposed to be about making fun of the nerds who are moralfags.

>>86395439
Transformers has the luxury of not being capeshit, so ridiculous morals that aren't expected in any other media well...aren't expected

>>86401259
Yea, but it's amazing how he obliterated Batman, Daredevil, Spider-man and anyone else like that.
>If i were like you, if i could only think of myself, i would never do this.
It's amazing how well written this is. He's saying he's willing to dirty his hands for the greater good, and at the same time calling moralfags out on their shit, pointing out that there is no nobility or heroism in letting complete monsters run loose, just a selfish sense of holier-then-thou superiority and the fear of living with one's self should they cross the line.

>>86396718

Near the end of Maximum Carnage

>>86395338
>Fuck, he doesn't even have a rouges gallery except

Hello casual

>>86376727
I always assumed tar

>>86402614
Not only that but he's demonstrating that placing your morals and honor before the safety of people is fucking selfish. He knew that if he spared Galvs, the dude would just return to ruin things once again.

Optimus is a good hero because he knows when to spare people , which he usually does , and when to pull the trigger.

I think the whole Kingdom Come thing, despite being rather high on the Golden Age wankery, had a decent idea: if too many supes start killing, EVERYONE will start killing, for stupid and minor things, then you get super powered anarchy.

It's find to kill every now and again. Avengers, X-Men, Fantastic Four, sometimes a villain just needs to die because they pose too much of a threat to whatever is in danger, be it a city or the universe. They seem to be pretty smart about it though.

Spider Man shouldn't kill though, he's the moral center for a lot of people and a good role model. He's no soldier or warrior or god, he's just a young guy who wants to do the right thing.

>>86394113
I don't think Sociopaths can contemplate their past deeds, Surfs. That's why they're so fucked up in the first place, remorse just isn't something they can comprehend.

>>86402614
>>86403076
Optimus Prime is a military commander, fighting in a war, and is executing the enemy commander for war crimes. Batman, Daredevil, and Spider-Man are civilians who have chosen to take the law into their own hands. If you don't understand how a battlefield execution being carried out by a General is different than a vigilante killing someone instead of bringing him to justice, you're not just edgy, you're fucking stupid.

>>86402826
>casual
Literally kill yourself you stupid smug fuck, Frank is my favorite Marvel hero and i've read just about everything he appears in. Let me guess, you read Max and now you think you're an expert? Faggot.

>>86403314
Joke's on you, Surfer knows that. He was politely saying that Carnage is gonna be like that forever.

>>86403753
This is post war and Galvatron was not an enemy commander. Neither Optimus or Galvatron were doing what they were doing in a military setting.

>>86403753
>Optimus Prime is a military commander, fighting in a war, and is executing the enemy commander for war crimes. Batman, Daredevil, and Spider-Man are civilians who have chosen to take the law into their own hands. If you don't understand how a battlefield execution being carried out by a General is different than a vigilante killing someone instead of bringing him to justice, you're not just edgy, you're fucking stupid.


>Killing is ok if the government tells you but otherwise it's not

You are a jackass, why do women even try to pretend to be into this shit? Girls like you are fucking retarded.

>>86403993
Not that guy but you are a fucking casual

>>86404193
I bet i've read more Marvel comics then you've read comics period, faggot.

On the topic of Carnage and the 'him getting sentenced to death', isn't that kind of impossible? I mean, both because Cletus Kasady is clearly insane, and because of the symbiote itself.

IIRC, Eddie Brock got cleared of the crimes he was responsible for as Venom, because the symbiote was altering his mindset, and Eddie wasn't in complete control of himself. While Kasady is obviously a monster, and was a murderer long before he acquired the Carnage symbiote, he wasn't sentenced to death, just imprisonment. And since Venom was cleared of all crimes as Venom, wouldn't the fact that Carnage was in an equal position make it difficult to sentence him to death for those crimes? He just got tossed back into prison in Superior Carnage Annual when separated from the symbiote, to go back to his old sentence. I dunno, this might all be some random bullshit thoughts, but that's my theory on why they haven't tried to put the death sentence on him.

That, and of course, status quo.

>>86394113

isn't being paralyzed and entrapped for the rest of your life worse than being killed?

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moralfags

>>86404269
Id you think The Punisher doesn't have a rogues gallery, you haven't read any comics.

Hell you haven't even watched any comic book movies, queer. And by the way, you're a fucking pussy. You're not allowed to read Punisher,

>>86404387

Is he insane though? He just likes hurting people, he's not delusional, he knows exactly what he's doing.

>>86404496
Surfer believes that all life is precious and that killing should be a last resort. However, despite being the nicest guy ever, he's steal an alien cosmic being, and better writers can really bring that out. In his eyes, leaving something alive in torment is more respectful of life then murder. So, while he respects Carnage's right to live, he also protects other from him and delivers justice.
In short, don't fuck with the Silver Surfer. He will fuck you up in ways you can't imagine while being fully content in the knowledge that he is in the absolute moral right as far as the universe (and not just petty human morals) is concerned.

>>86404598
>acting tough on 4chan
>and /co/ of all things
What's the matter, daddy roughen you up again?
Let's hear that rogue's gallery, then.

>>86404193
>a soldier is the same thing as a vigilante
>execution is the same thing as murder
Go to bed, Timmy. There's school tomorrow.

>>86404596
>joker wisens up for once in his life and just legs it without making a quip

kek

>>86404778
>soldier
they weren't in that function at the time
>execution
Not a war, so no. It was just murder.

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>>86404778
>it's ok to murder someone if you wear the right uniform

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>>86404823
>context and jurisdiction is important to determining when an act of violence is legal or justified
WOAAAAAAH

>>86396642
>When has he EVER killed anything that wasn't a demon/robot?
A lot of those robots seemed sentient.

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>>86404776
I've never read a punisher comic in my life and
>Barracuda
>Jigsaw
>Bonebreaker
>Bushwacker
>The russian

>>86404976
What does legal have to do with justified? Bringing it back to Carnage, a cold-blooded murder of the man is definitely illegal, but how is it unjustified?

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>>86405071
>>Barracuda
Baracuda is Max character you stupid fucking cunt.
>>Jigsaw
Good job, retard, already mentioned him.
>Bonebreaker
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
See, this is how i know who i'm dealing with here. Bonebreaker is an X-Men villain, you stupid little shit, he may have crossed paths with the Punisher, but fuck, in that case just give him half of Daredevil's rogues gallery too. No, you saw him in the arcade game and now you try to pass it off as comic book knowledge. You fucked up kid, you fucked up.
>>Bushwacker
I'll give you that one, but then again, he hasn't been prominent lately. And that's what, two guys? Some rogues gallery.
>>The russian
You meant the guy that appeared twice and was killed both times? Yup, standard Punisher rogue right there guys.
If you ACTUALLY read comics, you would have mentioned Saracen, The Rev, Medalion and Mr Badwrench, guys like that who'd be known by someone who actually read Punisher beyond his most mainstream runs and tittles. But like the predictable little shit you are, you use Max characters, characters you saw in fucking video games and literal one (or two) off villains from his most famous runs. And you dare acts so fucking smug with that image. We are done here.

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>>86404496
Yes.

>>86376754
When are we going to stop pretending that SM isn't batman but poor

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>>86404776
>Let's hear that rogue's gallery, then.
K, casual

>>86404778
>murder is cool if the military does it
Kill yourself

>>86405779
10. Mentioned
9,It's been a really long time since i read Circle of Blood, but i'm pretty sure this is a one-off character Frank kills. So, yea.
8.One-off character Frank killed.
7.Two-off character Frank killed.
6.Hero.
5.Hero.
4.X-Men villains.
3.A pretty good choice, but Frank killed him a while back.
2.Daredevil's main rogue.
1.The first thing he did is fucking kill these schmucks.
So, yea. Anything else, casual?

>>86404579
>>86404596
Why is Batman such an ass?
Seriously, a bullet to the head would have been a swift and merciful death too.

>>86405941
Punisher has rogues regardless of if they die, if you think that matters stick yo capeshit queergirl casual who got into comics when you saw Iron Man and thinks super heroes are just so kewl

Seriously girls don't need to be into this shit

>>86405779
That also doesn't account for villains like Barracuda, Maginty and the Irish mob, or the Russian

>>86406101
>being this BTFO
Jesus, i'm sorry i hurt your feelings. Seriously, you come off as someone who can absolutely not handle anyone not agreeing with them, let alone, god forbid, them being right. You're not gonna make it far with that attitude.

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>>86396642
>>86392810
>TMNT

Even they have a more realistic vigilante outlook.

In Mirage and 2k3 that establish early on their moral code:
- nonlethal force on thieves, crooks, common thugs, and misunderstood mutants.
- lethal force on assassins, bounty hunters, alien invaders, mad scientists, gang leaders, and world destroyers

Hell, there was even an episode where Mikey went to a universe where the turtles were superheroes and splinter was a supervillain, and they didn't hesitate to kill Splinter when he risked lives.

Are the guys who defend the status quo really going to feel jipped just because DC/Marvel has a hero kill off a villain the end of an issue/run/series?

>>86406205
>Hell, there was even an episode where Mikey went to a universe where the turtles were superheroes and splinter was a supervillain, and they didn't hesitate to kill Splinter when he risked lives.
Man, there's like 20 alternate reality episodes. There's even a "bonus" season which features the turtles being transported to some prehistoric time or dimension. I have to watch this again.

>>86391480
They've made their stance extremely clear, going by the shoot on sight orders surrounding Carnage and things like him. It should be open season by now. The army, the local police force, the entire goverrnemt has deliberately attempted to kill him. At the very least killing in self defense would be doubtlessly justified.

Spidey is just to wracked with guilt. It's his greatest flaw.

>>86377412
This is why I miss Assassin and Grim Hunt Spidey, lordy.

Pretty sure God would have called for Cletus's head too, given the track record.

>>86395052
You know what the damndest thing is? Just earlier in this series, Spider-Man was legitimately going hard in his attempt to kill Cletus. That's what ruined it for me and Well's stuff, because he just made a sharp turn to, 'No, you don't get to avenge your daughter. Yeah I tried to do the same earlier, but you don't get to.'

The fuck, Peter? You mangled a man for life because he killed jean DeWolffe and you know damn well a godddang shotgun ain't gonna kill a nigga with a symbiote in his bloodstream. Let him fucking vent.

>>86402797

does that have a current TPB collection in print?

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>>86406798
>Just earlier in this series, Spider-Man was legitimately going hard in his attempt to kill Cletus
I just read it and i can't find that. They fought, but it wasn't anywhere near Spidey trying to kill him.
Then there's this shit.
Agent Venom, a fucking SOLDIER, about to kill him and end the nightmare.

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>>86407182
When Spider-man fucks everything up. Had another contingency not been conveniently completed right after this (something Peter had no idea about), they would have all died.

>>86407182
IIRC SPidey was talking along the lines of 'enough is enough' and 'Put you down'. Cletus was laughing all the while though, since he's, I guess, extremely durable.

>>86407227
>NO ONE DIES
...Geez, Thanks Wells, SLott.

>>86407262
That was Cap.

>>86407529
Huh, I'll have to look again, but for now I'll stand corrected. Nothing wrong with that.

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Why do we have to keep having this discussion? The "No Kill Rule" wasn't even a moral thing, it was a way to keep the status quo because if heroes went around using deadly force in self-defense there would be no rouges gallery for anyone. Trying to apply real life morals to fucking big two comic books is pretty autistic honestly.

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>>86405387
Ok

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>>86406101
Do...do you not know how Rogue Galleries work?

>>86392617
Killing the shit out of Carnage or Joker would be right though.

>>86395338

>Pushing his moralfaggotry on a dude whose daughter was horribly murdered.

I think it was implied that he ate her.

>>86404630

Maybe. Dude is of the belief that it's everyone else who is delusional and insane for believing in things like morality and order, and that we should all live like the Crossed because in his mind that's the actual normal that everyone is stubbornly in denial of while he sees the truth.