First Cyclops, now Hank Pym Why is Marvel turning my favorite

They hate hank cause the whole beating his wife thing

>>86107031
The thing I hated most from this was I thought we were going to move forward after Rage of Ultron, not backwards. I remember a teaser of Hank saving a space station calling Ultron his friend instead of sun, there were things that bothered me about that but it was still going forward.

What the hell happened here, why did they make Pymtron kill billions and revert back to villain of the week. I was fine if he didn't become a hero but damn this makes me angry.

Cyclops has done nothing wrong.

Hank murdered a bunch of Synthezoids.

>>86107119
Reed Richards has slapped his wife more times than 616 Hank Pym did.
In fact, the context for him slapping Wasp was great because it showed how low his character could go.

Becoming space hitler is not even OC, it's just all around shit writing,

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Hank Pym is a cautionary tale. You can do the most heinous shit to your loved ones and be forgiven for it if you're a popular character (and said actions may even be retconned for your benefit), but if you're an unpopular character with an inconsistent track record, if you so much as slap your wife while having a psychotic breakdown you will never be forgiven no matter how many years pass. And even if the readers forgive you, the publishers and writers will never let you live it down.

>>86107031
I think it's more a matter of making old, smart characters and srablushed leaders into evil because whatever. See, Reeds is also de facto just a villain too now. And Cap is going through a weird route in which he's a villain but he's not.
They also dumbed Beast, killed Banner, and put Stark in a complex position without financial resources.

Think about all the white, smart or leader male characters still well and alive. They either are young or the writers pet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NjCzbfz-Lw

>>86107031
>Scott
Don't own the movie rights
>Hank
Professional Wife-Abuser. Favoritism towards Lang (further helped by the MCU).

>Scott
>villain

no

>>86107243
I don't know if you've noticed, but Reed is barely in any Marvel books anymore. And the most recent good FF run painted him as a dangerous megalomaniac.

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Hank is just the worst. Thank God he isn't around to ruin Nadia's life.

>>86107031
>now Hank Pym

They ruined the wrong Hank. I wish they'd take out that blue faggot over there sucking inhuman dick,

>>86107031
bump

>>86107031
but Marvel heroes were never actually heroes to begin with

>>86107119
But that only happened once and he would have hit whoever was in the room with him.

>>86107343
Even fucking Black Bolt's been pushed to the side by Medusa and the NuHumans.

>>86107156
I thought he would be the new Space Knight but, status quo is needed

>>86112354
>tfw Thor lets Hank vent in way Hulk let Thing vent after Johnny was killed

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>Cyclops
>villain

>>86113126
Yeah. I remember some anon wishing to see Pymtron, Beta Ray Bill, Moondragon, Phylla and Silver Surfer.
Knowing /co/ luck, it'd be Bendis ride.

>>86113126
I really wanted that.

>>86108430
Oh god, fucking really.

Godammit Marvel.

>>86107119
I bet none of the current writing staff at Marvel have even read that issue or the ones leading up to it so they'd know the context of what was going on. Let alone learn about what was going on with Marvel at the time which would let them know it was actually an error by one of the artists that read things wrong. They just buy into the "Hank is a wife beater" meme because memes sell because they're "lol epic XD".

>>86107343
>because whatever

Because they think a hero being secretly evil this whole time is some how "2DEEP4U" and think that'll somehow drive sales.

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>>86113255
Slott probably read it, since he's real comicfag. If Bendis was Pymfag, he'd read it but he has royal hateboner for Hank.

actually wasn't there a /co/ greentext that stated that Hank was basically a marvel supervillain in the making before meeting his wife

>>86107031
I can't bring myself to hate Pymtron no matter what he does, so I don't care.

>>86108430
But this is stupid.

>>86113160
Shit, this would be a great Guardians team.

>>86113278
Yeah, he started with that I'LL SHOW THEM, I'LL SHOW THEM ALL! route.

>>86113283
Guardians of Microverse, eh?

>>86113278
You mean the one where the guy ends with, and I'm paraphrasing here, "Hank Pym is a mad scientist trying to be a hero"?

>>86108430

what the fuck is she talking about?

>>86113308
If Nadia knew how bad Hank is, she'd claw her eyes out.

>>86113331

tell me how bad hank is

>>86113278

He basically has all the crazy ambitions, downfalls, and fallibility/vulnerabilities of a villain, but he always just wanted to be a good guy. A hero. As a kid he was ignored and shunned by his family, was bullied, didn't have any friends, and never really got his time to shine. He's led a life full of mistakes and loss and never really had his chance to bask in the sun. All things considered, a lesser man would have gone the route of villainy a long time ago.

>>86113331
HE'S BAD ENOUGH DUDE

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>>86113373
You know who else wanted to be a good guy?

>>86107031
Didn't Hank Pym's start life as a mad scientist in Tales to Astonish becoming Ant-Man?

He's like Superman in a certain respect: he's most interesting when he goes off the rails.

>>86107156
The love yourself thing probably wore off.

>>86107031
>Why is Marvel turning my favorite heroes into villains
Wasn't he already Yellowjacket at some point?

>>86107243

what about spider man?

>>86113255
>it was actually an error by one of the artists that read things wrong
Wait what.

>>86113585
He doesn't have wife to hit :^)
>>86113673
Shooter said, years later, that Hank was supposed to raise arms in desperation and accidentally hit Janet.

>>86107031
Because they have like 6 serious villains and the rest they always mock into irrelevance. Every villain too often gets the joked or that smug "huehue" ridiculous.

Making Hero into villains is the natural progression of "LETS HAVE HEROES FIGHT ALL THE FUCKING TIME". Villains seem to exist to start these fights.

>>86107343
>Reed is defacto a villain now
Reed is god. Maker is a dumbed down shade of his former amoral self.

>>86108430

She looks a little old to be doing that.

>>86113706
Fucking this Hank did not hit janet on purpose but the artist fucked up and now he's stuck with the wife beater label

>>86113255
>just an art error
Guess you didn't bother reading the issues afterwards

>>86113300
Sales would be microscopic

>>86113834
He's not stuck with it because the artist fucked up. He's stuck with the label because Shooter decided to give Janet a black eye and have her divorce Hank.

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>>86108430

>>86107119
How does one slap=beating? And it's not like he did it on purpose. I don't see why they keep bringing this up as the worst thing ever, especially when he's Ultrons Daddy

>>86113373
There's a number of Marvel peeps who has potential toward leaning on the villainous route. Honestly, I'm still surprised Carol's holding on to the heroics.

>>86114093
What the hell is this? Why is Cyborg there?

>>86113140
>all this potential
>wasted by Bendis

>>86113368
He hit his wife.

>>86108430

I did not like this issue. Nadia is stupid

>>86114919
Marvel loaned Cyborg for one story.

>>86114126
>I don't see why they keep bringing this up as the worst thing ever, especially when he's Ultrons Daddy

Because it's a meme.

>>86107031
Because white males are the enemy and they must be debased and discredited if a new diversity-flavored generation of heroes are to thrive in the minds of the public

>>86107031
probably will change after Ant-Man 2.

>>86107031
I want to see Hank Pym, Cyclops, Hal Jordan and Wanda at a bar with the latter two telling the first two that it'll get better

>>86113526
Nah, he still loves himself.

It's just that an Ultron + Pym with his self-hatred removed isn't necessarily a good thing.

>>86113754
Yes, but it's the only Reed we have now.

anyone got a link to the issue in OP?

>>86114919
>>86115029
I believe that you two are having a little chuckle, but I am still mad.

>>86108430
>>86115014
Watch as her book fails but they keep it on life support and pretend she's popular.

>>86119538
>It does well digitally and you can't prove it doesn't!

Marvel didn't turn Pym evil, that's Ultron

>>86108430

i don't understand why this triggered /co/

>>86120102
Having characters, especially Jan, shit on Hank is the mark of lazy Marvel writing.

It ignores when better writers had them all move past it.
Hell, in this case she's also doing it shortly after Hank died.

>>86120102
>Thank God Hank is dead and not around to raise his own daughter, what an asshole that guy that saved the world on multiple occasions and despite his issues is still ultimately a virtuous hero, fuck that guy.
Do you seriously not understand?

>>86113709
So basicall, marvel is just retarded. That explains why they can't come up with new ones.

>>86120196
He probably doesn't read comics. Fuck you putting that I perspective makes this so stupid.

>>86120346
When was the last time Marvel made a new villain that stuck?

>>86120433
Captain America.

>>86115347
>tfw I'm fan of all of them
Fuck everything.

>>86107031
They're white Christian men.

>>86120196

i read it as "We're not telling her about Ultron because we don't wanna destroy her image of Hank when she's young. Let her have a while before she realizes everyone is horrible"

>>86120587
That would be fine and dandy if Wasp didn't literally say "Mercifully, he's not here to RUIN that for her", implying the problem isn't what Hank did in the past, but Hank himself.

>>86120587
That's the tragic story of his death that would probably be public knowledge.

This is them taking about that time he had a really horrible breakdown, and all of his friends started constantly judging him for it years after he'd recovered.

>>86120433
When they turned Ultimate Reed in the Maker.
I'm not sure about any of the inhumans, but maybe there's one there.
And for me, probably me alone, Maria Hill.

Marven really needs more, developing, created ex novo villains, to be honest.

>>86120517
Hanks is an Atheist.

>>86120640

I'm reading it as more kind to Hank, him being around would ruin her hero worship. Not necessarily because of him but because she'd know all this shit about his past.

and I trust Waid of all people to have a good view of Hank. tbqh

>>86120723

Good point. Is the Red Room secluded from the world at large?

>>86107031
He's a white male, OP. He was born a villain.

>>86120723

> all of his friends started constantly judging him for it years after he'd recovered.

that's outside universe forgetting shit. The arc that starts with the slap ends with everyone making peace and Hank retiring.

>>86120806
>Is the Red Room secluded from the world at large?
Yes.

>>86120786
And god.

>>86120806
You're not the only one reading it like that. But Jan should realize soon that Hank probably wouldn't ruin anything to Nadia because they would probably follow the very same thoughts in parallel, with all the weird, crazy stuff included.

>>86120874
Take that, Theists!

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>>86120806
>I trust Waid
Brave boy, but foolish.

>>86120836
And in-universe those shitty writers started bringing it up and having the others treat Hank like shit.

Actually, wait, all that shit with his breakdown somehow also became public knowledge.

>>86120806
>Is the Red Room secluded from the world at large?
Yes, but she's out in the world now.
Some reporter would eventually ask how she feels about her dad building a murderbot, slapping his wife, then eventually fusing with that murderbot.

>>86120433
The Hood?

The new Beetle from Superior Foes?

>>86107119
i wish i could go back in time stop that shit

>>86121042
>The Hood?
Lol.

>>86121027

>all that shit with his breakdown somehow also became public knowledge.

He shot a bitch and went on trial, was convicted, and was a henchman to a super villain for a bit. Once the Avengers found Egghead it all came out that he was manipulating and making Hank do shit. The Janet stuff was probably under wraps but the rest wasn't and even then it was still in the tabloids that Jan was dating new men.

>>86107031
They are both white males.

>>86121290
>mutants
>worth of inclusion into the human gender classification system
I think not.

>>86114919
Black dethlok idk why he's black

>>86121454
He's always been black, he just looks like a zombie most of the time

>>86121042
>The new Beetle from Superior Foes?
Nobody uses her except her creator, and she's not even particularly villainous... Also, legacy character.

>>86121454
He's always been a black guy but his face is all Spawn-like usually