So....how are you liking her solo?
you think she'll get her own MCU film?
of the current female characters in the MCU, she's definitely the most interesting....
>>86087733
>>86087733
FUCK OFF!!
>>86087733
I hope she has her best friend in the MCU since it seems like they're never going to talk to each other in the comics again.
Current outfit is pretty great...
>>86087994
>>86087994
>>86087999
That said I find myself partial to this one.
People give it crap for the flaps over the shoulders but I really liked them.
The movie people are downplaying her as much as possible. Remember how she wasn't on any of the promo material or merch for Age of Ultron?
I still wonder if they only used her to spite Fox or because Joss pushed for her.
You'd think they'd try to make her a big deal since they currently lack female characters and she's one of the only ones they have.
>>86088065
I think Joss was the one who heavily pushed for her and Quickslav. I don't think they're downplaying her at all. It seems her lack of promo material might be tied up in some weird merchandising rights with Fox.
>>86087733
I dropped it when they gave her a new set of parents, that shit is getting old.
>>86087733
I shouldn't have had that Vulcan Mindmeld!
>>86088143
doesn't marvel hold all the merchandising rights for all the characters anyway?
isn't that why the last couple of X-films have been light with tie-in materials?
Wanda needs a new husbanifu
image related to vote
>>86088455
Yes.
>>86088493
>peter and wanda
huh
it could be cute actually.
PeterXMJ is always end game, but Pete and Wanda could be a cute pairing; i think i like it more than PeterXcarol
the new costume looks really great there
>>86087733
I like her solo well enough. Shame about the lack of plot, but with how neglected mystic marvel is, it's nice to have a little merry globetrotting about the supernatural once in a while
>>86087888
This. As with Hawkeye the MCU has been the only place that Wanda's friends interact with her. Want to see her interact with her fellow Avengers? MCU is your only venue for that.
In 616 Wanda barely interacts with her old team mates and has had pretty much zero interaction with the likes of Kamala or femThor. In 616 she only has Steve, Stephen, and Agatha, with the occasional Billy cameo, while Pietro has had a bust-up with her.
That Emerald Warlock line about her lacking an arch-enemy makes me want to slap Robinson. Chthon is her arch-enemy (and yet also ally/benefactor), and Wanda has perhaps the strongest rogue's gallery of any Marvel female.
I do have this hope that Chthon will try to corrupt her in the fight against Thanos as that would make that an even more tense struggle and the moment where she shows how strong she is.
>>86088065
Its strongly implied she is the only Avenger who can counter the Gauntlet.
The thought of Chaos Magic vs IG is mind-boggling.
I predict the "Smug Villain has the tables turned on him moment" will be when Thanos faces Wanda.
>>86087733
Number 2 from left is by far the best. Why can't we have nice things, Marvel?
>>86087733
I think Infinity War Wanda will have the hood from Coipel's costume.
Her solo is OK but the rotating artists and lack of connection with the rest of the MU make it feel unimportant. It's picked up in the last couple of issues which were more about her backstory and history (but made Quicksilver out to be a bad guy for no particular reason).
I like how she's coming along in the MCU. She was better in Civil War than Avengers: AoU and the filmmakers seem to like the whole robot/witch sexual tension.
The comics department, I think it's fair to say, doesn't like her much. Didn't even like her much before this "no promoting characters with any Fox connection" rule.
>>86087994
Her most underrated costume is the one from the Crossing.
>>86088065
She was also left off a lot of the promo art for Civil War. At least with AoU there was the excuse that she and Pietro started out as antagonists.
But with Civil War, there's a promo calendar with every character except Wanda, and at least one tie-in book that mentions every character except Wanda. She's also left out of a lot of games, the cartoon shows have no plans to add her, etc.
All of this is probably about Marvel's feud with Fox and refusal to promote any character Fox even has an option on. I don't know if that affects the MCU because it's separate from the rest of Marvel.
>>86087733
It's pretty crap. but I keep buying it. not sure why.
>>86089312
Wanda probably won't get a push in comics and animation until after Infinity War(especially if she plays a key role in beating Thanos).
However, her character is in a much better place now than it was a few years ago.
>>86089372
She's the kind of nuanced complex character the Russos love. All that uncertainty, frailty combined with great power, and mystery makes her compelling to them.
Genocidal maniac
>>86088802
That costume was George Pérez's thing. He has an undisguised Wanda fetish and loves to draw costumes that are a) skimpy and b) really complicated.
Nobody else could draw it right so it was retired soon after he left.
(Also after he left you'll notice she had less of an outsized role in Avengers, though she still remained in the book until Disassembled. George Pérez loves drawing Wanda.)
>>86089579
That's why they're friends.
>>86089312
>Her most underrated costume is the one from the Crossing.
Agreed.
>>86089446
Joss pretty much saved her IMHO. If he hadn't pushed for her, she'd be either dead or in limbo now.
Her solo comic has had great highs but is inconsistent, and Robinson going the "muh parents" (Jesus Christ not again) route instead of exploring Chthon's relationship with witches (he pretty mucg created witches witchcraft ffs) and Wanda, is just baffling to me.
"Consider me Switzerland" was a great moment, though.
Her lack of interaction with any of the old (Hawkeye, Carol) or new Avengers (Kamala, Miles, etc) bothers me alot
>>86089603
was that back when WM died and became her stand?
>>86089770
It was when she accidentally brought Wonder Man back from the dead and was in a full-fledged triangle with him and Vision.
Remender eventually tried to revive the Scarlet Witch/Wonder Man romance and it didn't really work. Simon's nobody's true love and everybody's Romantic False Lead.
>>86089838
I hope some writer explores the whole Wonder man in rogue thing. Preferably with her getting to keep her flying brick status. or maybe even extrapolate more powers from it.
>>86090066
Rogue gets an awkward crush on Wanda and/or Carol.
>>86090242
Rogue/Wanda/Carol/WM/Vision love Pentagon
>>86089753
Her comic is interesting but it feels like its cut off from the rest of the Marvel Universe.I'm not sure if this is a good thing or a bad thing.
>>86089603
>loves to draw costumes that are a) skimpy and b) really complicated.
He's also one of the all-time best cape comics artists. Hell, one of the all-time best american comics artists period.
Given that he's a happy granddad you can't really pull the "he's a creepy fanboy" card.
>>86090633
It's not creepy. His wife's a former belly dancer and he made Wanda into a tribute to his wife, that's why there's this otherwise pointless dance sequence near the beginning of Ultron Unlimited.
There's nothing wrong with liking to draw skimpy outfits, but it was a very hard costume for other artists to get right.
>>86090674
It's not unusual. Wanda is one of Busiek's favorite Avengers as well (which is why they made such a good team), she's one of Roy Thomas' favorites and Dan Abnett's single favorite Avenger. Lots of writers and artists like her, it's just that a few of them really REALLY hate her, like Byrne and Bendis.
>>86090458
I feel like that was an editorial edict.
Marvel comics was like:
"Oh fuck, Joss has made Wanda popular again, we have to give her a solo but shove it away from our Progressive Faves so we can ignore her till Infinity War."
>>86090726
Byrne likes Wanda. It's Vision he hates.
Remember, Byrne never had any intention of keeping Wanda evil, he was just doing the exact same "powerful woman goes nutso" story he did with Jean Grey/Dark Phoenix and Sue Richards/Malice.
But mostly it was all about him wanting to break up Scarlet Witch and Vision and make Vision an emotionless toaster.
>>86087733
She's my waifu for laifu and what I've read of her solo is okay
>>86087733
>>86090946
Issues 2, 8, and 9 have terrific art, and are also the best story and character wise (aside from Pietro's ooc physical aggression).
>>86090872
So why did he leave mid-story? There was no announcement of any kind, just suddenly Roy Thomas was there with Paul Ryan on art. Was it because editorial censored Wanda giving Wonder Man a blowjob?
>>86089372
>But with Civil War, there's a promo calendar with every character except Wanda
The suspicion is that Carter's niece had her role cut down to fit Wanda in there.
>>86090726
I think it's like, a non-shit skimpy outfit if that makes sense, which helps. She's had much dumber swimsuit/leotard looking things.
Although I'm a little biased in that I really like her UA/Marvel Now costume more than her old stuff
>>86087765
I feel like I would actually like that more if it committed to being something like a duster, or just a plain old leather biker jacket.
You can move in a duster, and your traditional biker jacket all the more if you feel like you really need that much more freedom.
That jacket and it's attempt at being some kind of leather lamellar or skirt armor at the hem is cheesy.
The boots are both disgusting and impractical too. I'm kind of on the fence about the bracers, they might be alright but the boots fucking suck.
Come on.
Make them really stylish or make them practical. Pick one. Go with it.
>>86091096
Fucking Bendis. It's taken a decade to wash his stink off of her and yet she's still affected by it in every comic. I'm happy that she's not really involved in CWII solely because he won't have a chance to write anything having to do with her.
>>86088648
peterXjessica
Remember the dyke stripper look?
>>86091248
Ain't that the one they put in the Forceworks season of the Iron Man cartoon?
IT'S THE ADAMS DUTY
>>86091135
That costume was another Joss Whedon cannot into costume designs case
They immediately junked that over designed look and streamlined it for Civil War
>>86091377
TO SHOW OFF THAT BOOTY
>>86091261
Yep. Gave her a really broad accent too
GIRUGAMESH
The movie people love her. The Russos and the writers pretty much hinted they are Wandafags. Its the Marvel comics division that hates her and Ike has the no X-Men ban going on which has hit her as well.
>>86091390
that she has the face of a twelve year old is killing my boner
>>86091460
YOUR BONER IS WEAK, CONAN!
>>86091179
>>86091495
>>86091522
>>86091536
>>86091201
which one Drew or Jones?
I mean both could work, Drew because obv. name connection and Jones; she had the high school crush on him and wouldve been successful had she not been cucked by the radioactive spider
would be great to see Luke be cucked
But how would Peter and Wanda work? I wanna see it, but it would have to deal on how Wanda basically emotional depraved him with House of M
>>86090872
Well he liked her but his hate of Vision trumped that.
To this day, people equate Wanda's feelings for Vision as a symptom of the cray cray, due to Byrne and Bendis.
> Some test audiences didn't like the Vision and Wanda cooking scene...maybe Bendis and Byrne were at those.
Elizabeth Olsen really doesn't do it for me as Wanda, sorry to say.
>>86091454
It certainly didn't help that the comics division decided a good way to give her a measure of redemption was to give her to Remender to write her like a giant asshole
>>86091690
Remender writes everyone as a giant asshole but the worst part is that she and Rogue became friends off-panel, so there wasn't even any payoff to the story of them hating each other for vaguely defined reasons.
Still I assume if he hadn't taken her for Uncanny Avengers no one else would have. (Hickman doesn't even like Vision, let alone Scarlet Witch.)
>>86091076
I think Sharon's role was more likely cut down due to RDJ and Spiderman.
Wanda was not in promo art due to Fox. She did appear in promos closer to the film's release.
>>86091687
>>86091763
>>86091656
It's a little early to tell because she actually hasn't had that much screen time, but I like her OK. She's toned down the accent and passed the "can she believably play scenes with a red faced robot" test.
I thought she was going to become a star after Martha Marcy May Marlene and then she was in mostly terrible movies. Not a lot of great parts for young actresses, I guess.
>>86091687
>>86091763
>>86091771
Get off the internet Singory
>>86091319
That's awesome art.
>>86089603
oh boy did he
>>86091201>>86091622
no to both of those
pete cucking Luke is funny for a short stretch, but otherwise Peter and Jessica Jones is all around trash
Jessica drew could be alright, but my head canon is that jessica and carol are lesbians anyway
>>86091854
HE'S NO BYRNE THOUGH.
>>86091378
this is much better, but i think i'd prefer red leather jacket +poncho/cape >>86091566
>>86091734
Carman Scarletiego
>>86091610
>>86091459
both of these are neat
is she romani now?
light-brown/tanned wanda is hot af
>>86091656
>>86091789
i'm with anon, she hasn't had enough screen time to tell, in both movies she as much a plot device as a character
>>86092026
>is she romani now?
She and Pietro were raised by Romani. They culturally identify as Romani, or at least Wanda did the last time it was brought up.
>>86091699
this is neat, like a wasp costume.
>>86091495
I like that it's basically her Ultimates suit with a coat over it.
Man I fucking dug those Ultimates suits
>>86091789
Nah, she just screwed the pooch with the movies she picked. Who the fuck goes "fuck yeah doing a movie with Schmosby/an Oldboy remake would be a great idea"
>>86092026
A lot of online artists like to keep her and Pietro's skin a little darker because of their Gypsy* roots.
*(I know Roma or Romani is PC now but just doesn't work here. Like Doctor Doom's family, their dad Django Maximoff is 100% comic-book Gypsy stereotype that has nothing to do with the real people.)
>>86092047
>She and Pietro were raised by Romani. They culturally identify as Romani,
i'm aware of that, but the romani are brown people, and i cant recall ever seeing Pietro and Wanda with more than a barely there tan
>>86092074
I forgot that when she first showed up in Ultimate X-Men she was just wearing her regular costume without the pink tights. This was before the Ultimate universe decided to go more realistic looking.
When she and Pietro were moved over to Ultimates they got more realistic looks and it worked better.
>>86092121
>00% comic-book Gypsy stereotype that has nothing to do with the real people.)
yeah, maybe they can retcon that away too, lol
>>86092192
Brian Vaughan wrote a pretty good Wanda in the few issues of Ultimate X-Men she appeared in. But like every writer her powers were suddenly different (teleportation?). There is no writer ever who doesn't redefine Wanda's powers.
That's why it was so appropriate that in the MCU she suddenly lost her telepathic powers when the new creative team took over. Everyone writes her powers differently.
>>86092170
Well, they were originally generic Eastern European white kids and they've been retconned so many times that nobody even knows their family background.
>>86092170
genetically they're both caucasians. Pre-retcon they were the children of Madeline Joyce (Miss America) and Robert Frank (the Whizzer) who were both generic caucasian americans. Post-retcon they were the offspring of Magneto and Magda, who were jews. Post-post-retcon they were either made full cloth by the High Evolutionary or have some new unknown parents so who the fuck knows anymore.
>>86091690
Read his AXIS issues again which he pretty much confirmed her just hammed it and probably used it to vent his frustration about things. Just one big writer throwing a fit about so many different things. The Wanda vs Doom part replace Doom with Bendis.
>>86092111
wow rude
>>86092202
It wasn't a big part of her history until Busiek used it as an excuse for that stripperiffic George Pérez costume.
It's still not a big part of her and Pietro's history but whatever, it doesn't hurt.
>>86092360
Wow this one is really incredible.
>>86092413
>those hands
>>86092517
Hawkdaddy
>>86089312
>but made Quicksilver out to be a bad guy for no particular reason
He's a white male.
>>86090458
>I'm not sure if this is a good thing or a bad thing
Good.
Disconnected solo's are the best.
>>86090995
>9
Goddamn it does.
Not even reading it, but I bought it just cause it looked perfect.
Also
>dat Aja cover
>>86092111
DELET THIS
This has been a Loki thread in disguise the whole time
>>86091690
>was to give her to Remender to write her like a giant asshole
She was fine.
In SIXIS she, and half the cast. became villainous, so ya know, her being a mad cunt made sense.
Also, dat chaos magic fuck you retcon was actually quite rad.
>>86092245
>That's why it was so appropriate that in the MCU she suddenly lost her telepathic powers when the new creative team took over. Everyone writes her powers differently.
this makes sense though, id like is part of her "powers" is that they're constantly changing. abilities coming and going so to speak.
>>86092267
ahhh
yes thats what i thought.
>>86092353
its a nice detail, but i mean the sterotype element mainly
>>86092484
kek
wait
vision has genitals?
>>86092245
>Banished to New Jersey
Given how Ultimate Jean is kind of a cunt I can't say she doesn't deserve that.
loving this thread.
I dig the witch enough back in 07 (or was it 08?) at Wondercon I bought this sketch and had it framed.
>>86093332
>Given how Ultimate Jean is kind of a cunt
>Ultimate
>not all Jeans
Wait, AoA Jean was aight.
>>86094082
Ultimate Jean is the one who'd do the 'And I'm so glad you haven't pictured me naked!' thing on purpose to fuck with people and make them feel guilty. That wasn't just bad word choice with Peter, it turns out later she did that deliberately. That's a very specific kind of shittiness
>>86094611
>That's a very specific kind of shittiness
It's quite harmless.
Whereas 616 Jean joined the Hellfire club.
>>86091897
Hnnng.
Want to see Lizzie and Brie "bromance"
>>86092843
That was unnecessary. It was great up to that point. The ending would have worked better if they had not fought but sadly agreed to disagree.
>>86095154
The fight felt contrived. Otherwise a very good issues.
>>86088007
probably the best one
>>86088717
other than cthon who is her villains?
>>86088007
Man that arc was so good. NEeded one more issue to be catapulted into "great", but I loved it.
>>86093313
INTERFACE PLUG
>>86091052
>>86091734
>That dapper hat
yes
>>86087733
I don't read her book because her powers are from womanhood and too intimidated for men
>>86091048
That and editorial didn't like him giving Wanda the new haircut and outfit without their OK, and they didn't like his planned ending.
(He said he wanted Immortus to use Wanda to take control of time, and then the Black Knight, I think, was supposed to fight his way out of the altered reality. This plot has been done several times since then, including at least twice with Wanda.)
>>86093102
Such a good post.
>>86093102
>>86098447
This issue was the "Cap is HYDRA!" of its year. Everybody knew it was a fakeout and they still got mad.
>>86098751
She has a really good reaction face. Like they don't give her a lot of dialogue (even now that the accent has been toned down) but a lot of reaction shots of the "gasp! horror!' variety.
>>86098639
I had forgotten about it by the time I got to it, but I remember being spoiled in a cbr thing.
Was just like OH FUG. Then saw >Remender
and was like ah yiss
>>86098823
>they don't give her a lot of dialogue
That will hopefully change in the next two Avengers movies. And she's rumored to have a more major roll for what they have planned for Phase 4 thus far.
>>86099077
I would like to believe it but I refuse to get my hopes up about this character because why would anyone get their hopes up about her since 2005? I was just pleasantly relieved that she didn't die or go crazy yet.
Mephisto
Master Pandemonium
Lore
High Evolutionary
Kang/Immortus
*Magneto
>>86099425
Plus Morgan Le Fey, though it never made one lick of sense that she was after Wanda. (Turns out in Busiek's original pitch it was - drumroll - Chthon.)
>>86098639
Was it really a fakeout?
>>86092170
Romani people can be paler or darker, they don't look scandinavian but their skintone is not necessarily darker than like, mediterraneans.
>>86099530
No, but time travel was involved in the resolution.
>>86099576
Yeah, that's what I was gunning at.
>>86099530
A couple of issues later Captain America was killed off and then the entire Earth blew up. There was not a lot of fear that this would be the permanent status quo.
>>86099619
See the post above.
>>86092267
With the latest retcon their mother is Natalya Maximoff, a romani witch. Father unknown
>>86087888
I want MCU Wanda to have a gal-pal
>>86087802
Bendis pls
>>86095832
Master Pandemonium, the High Evolutionary and Immortus, as well as all the villains she's faced as an Avenger. You could also use Nicholas Scratch with the Agatha connection.
>>86090853
I don't think they know what to do with her because she was absent from the comics through such an important period in Marvel history. A lot of today's Marvel writers and editors started in the post-Bendis era when Wanda pretty much didn't exist in comics except as a crazy omnipotent off-panel presence. They don't exactly know who she is, because she's not in much of anything between House of M and Avengers vs. X-Men.
Of course the same was true of Vision but he has the advantage of being an all-Marvel film rights character, so they push him harder.
>>86089603
In fact, Perez specifically drew the outfit that way to make it canon that Wanda wears no underwear.
>>86087733
Friendly reminder that Logan stretched Wanda's good-as-a-virgin vagina walls to the shape of his cock.
Don't care about the writing in her solo, but man those covers are insanely good. I'd buy the floppies just for the cover art.
Also, I was surprised she had so much screentime in Civil War. I was expecting a 10 minute cameo, but she actually was in a lot of scenes.
>>86100591
muh dik
>>86100591
DELETE NOW !!
>>86100591
That was actually Wanda's mother.
And it's the Ultimate Universe so who gives a fuck?
>>86100762
So Logan is her father and also fucked his own daughter?
>>86100591
What is happening here? Besides the wolverine dick.
>>86100617
They're clearly trying to set her up as a major player. Guess since Johansson probably doesn't have that many movies left on her contract, they need a new female face
>>86100842
tight pussy shenanigans
>>86100591
wasn't vision first scarlet boyfriend?
also what comics was this?
>>86100591
Good ol' Logan.
>>86100892
Only the biggest dick counts tho.
>>86100872
I don't get it. So Ultimate Wolverine banged Ultimate Scarlet Witch's mom creating... stuff?
>>86100762
I don't get it though. Wasn't Ultimate Scarlet Witch's mom some kind of super spy? So if that's the mom, why is she hanging out in a obvious witch hide out?
>>86101107
so she can take dicks without Eric finding out?
>>86100591
He isn't Wanda's father tho.
Magneto pulled him out before he managed to cum inside.
>>86101187
Hahah lol
>>86099650
Wait, what? I thought they were retconned back to be the kids of the Maximoffs? Who's this new woman?
>>86091135
I actually liked her Age of Ultron costume. I really liked the whole "street urchin" vibe I got from her clothes as well as the combination of frailty and strength her skirt and boots signified.
>>86101631
but why the LSD face?
>>86101503
That was the last retcon and the last writer/editor. Robinson and his editor are now saying they have a different mother.
Every writer retcons Wanda's powers and parentage.
>>86101891
What the fuck.
>>86101700
Dark Magic is a hell of a drug
>>86091734
My first thought has been >>86091997
then I though "when she did re-roll as Red Magician? And shouldn't she have a rapier?"
>>86091098
best costume for her
and I wanna titty-fuck her
>>86091749
>>86091897
>>86103083
Who wouldn't?
>>86087765
Nice
>>86099077
She's an introverted person and a big part of her arc is bonding with the Avengers as a family (to Wanda, Steve, Tony, Vision, Natasha it is the only family they have) and believing in herself (IMHO Chthon would be the ultimate challenge to overcoming fear).
Also, multiverse means we could see Lore in the MCU.
>>86099231
Same here. I am hopeful, though. I think the Russo's are Wandafags and they like to explore characters (contrast how they handled Stark with Millar) and Wanda allows them to explore the wildly fantastical while still being grounded.
>>86099650
Natalya is Chthon who is now a transgender lesbian Elder Goddess.
>>86087888
Vision issue 6 was the first time we've seen them in the same panel in over a decade I think.
>>86105520
They had a longish scene together in Avengers vs. X-Men 0.
By current Marvel standards Bendis is actually better than average at remembering Wanda and Carol are friends. And that's sad.
>>86101631
This. Love the AOU costume too. Russos want her "hero" costume to be in Infinity War.
AOU 》》 CW 》》 IW
Civilian 》》Avenger 》》Witch
>>86091922
For a lesbian, she sure got mad at Clint not going seriously with her.
I remember Jones stating that she liked Peter before, in highschool. But it was Bendis making his ship, probably.
>>86090066
They got rid of Simon being in Rogue back in the Couter-Earth arc in Uncanny Avengers. She's kept his powers but he's gone again.
>>86106272
Which means Remender killed Simon twice in one book (he also died in the Planet X story).
If Wonder Man, Grim Reaper and Vision are considered part of the same family then no family can beat them for number of deaths and resurrections.
>>86100816
No though he did later fuck her mother again and she gave birth to his kid
>>86106322
I don't know. The Pym family tree has a serius contender in the Summers-Grey family tree, I think.
>>86106322
One book, two volumes.
Based Remender.
>>86105640
Actually that was Bendis forgetting continuity again considering that either after Avengers Disassembled or House of M, Carol basically said that she hated Wanda's guts for what she did
>>86091656
I think she does a great job. She makes me feel for Wanda, and in CW is able to be alot more subtle.
She's a hard character to pull off so kudos to Lizzie. Infinity War will be where she truly shines.
>>86106548
Tykeclops needs to fuck Viv. Not for shipping reasons, you understand, but because it would combine the most convoluted family trees in the Marvel Universe.
How do you draw "his past self fucked the robot, but his current self never did" on one of those?
>>86091690
He had a good concept of her powers, though.
>>86101891
So what, is she related to their adoptive parents? It's the same last name, after all.
>>86106708
That would be awesome, if only for the crazyness it could bring.
Just needs a Richards-Storm there. Franklin hooking up with soneone maybe?
>>86106856
Franklin is a mutant so maybe an aged version of him from the future fucking maybe Hope would probably create the most powerful mutant baby ever
>>86106856
Didn't Franklin and Rachel Grey bone in some future?
>>86106903
>Hope
Lol who?
It's as if Spurrier's entire run got retconned. Don't think I've seen a single reference to it.
>>86106924
Days of Future Past. They have a kid that goes back in time to fuck up the FF
What's some essential Scarlet Witch stuff to read? Haven't read too much Avengers.
>>86106966
Yeah, thought so, but didn't wanna misremeber on DoFP.
It would ruin my anonymous reputation.
>>86106924
Wiki sais so. But this current Franklin seems to atached to the little one of the Powers I think.
He's just a kid so... I don't know. Maybe that Franklin wasn't the powerful boy with parental and peter pan issues he has in 616.
>>86106966
Ah, right.
I must confess my memory sucks hard and I was a kid at that time.
>>86106971
Most of her essential stuff is tied to the Vision drama/angst as you see their relationship build slowly from their first meeting (around Avengers 79) to their marriage (shortly after Avengers 135).
You can get filled in on some of that backstory/angst in Avengers volume 3 by Busiek and Perez, which seems to be where a lot of people got to like her.
>>86088007
Best
Favourite Costumes:
1. Uncanny Avengers (corset, boots...Acuna)
2. Avengers early 2000s (Hood, corset...Coipel)
3. Uncanny Avengers (Dress)
4. The Crossing
5. Captain America: Civil War (Coat, onesie, corset)
6. Age of Ultron (Jacket, dress, leggings)
7. Avengers (1990s)
>>86092360
That's a pretty damn good concept of the tiara.
>>86093284
I like the idea of the telepathy and telekinesis being the result of mind gem augmentation, but her real powers being Chaos Magic which runs underneath that.
>>86089312
>Her solo is OK but the rotating artists and lack of connection with the rest of the MU make it feel unimportant.
Honestly this is the best part about it to me. Episodic comics are great, too few of them around these days, and the revolving cast of artists is a great showcase of talent. Plus being an unimportant comic in the grand scheme of things is quite probably the best thing for a Marvel comic these days. The more "important" a book feels, the more gaping its anus is when an event rolls around.
>>86100247
Its something I want to see, and if they get Carol right it could be great.
We see alot of male bonding in these movies but not alot of female bonding. Infinity War could rectify that somewhat with 4 female Avengers.
>>86109540
Wanda, Carol, Natasha, ???
>>86109573
Hope
>>86105982
>For a lesbian, she sure got mad at Clint not going seriously with her.
its gonna get retconned, dont worry, just like Iceman is gay :^)
>>86109409
this is fucking brilliant
>>86109512
I grew up with rotating artists in the UK Transformers comic and enjoyed seeing the differing styles of Senior, Wildman, Sullivan, Reeves (weird as fuck), Farmer, etc and enjoying it.
>>86109872
Maybe she's straight for Clint, just like Kate :^)
>>86110267
>just like Kate :^)
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>86110346
Kidding, mate. She already had a lot of boys. At least, she would be probavly bi. She is not a teen anynore, no reason to be that confused.
Love this pic.
>>86101891
django got some maximoff poontang
>>86101891
Who is R?
In the comics there's so many supposed retconned parents, whereas in the movies everyone wants to be Wanda's surrogate dad.
>>86091495
She kinda has a Laura Kinney feel on the face here.
>>86113699
Yes she does.
Scarlet Witch #10 Preview
>>86113959
>>86113964
>>86113969
>>86113976
>>86113984
Variant
End of preview
>>86113341
zatanna is so fucking hot
Z> Wanda anyday
>>86113986
>that cleavage
>>86113959
Autumn ends:
Witches settle down
Into the Earth
>>86113341
Hnnng.
>>86113454
My Wanda is level 168 on Puzzle Quest.
>>86113976
"The international manga museum...Shuma Gorath's favourite temple, I hear."
>>86114050
Anon, Wanda and Zatanna should not fight...they should kiss and cuddle.
>>86106569
Being mad at someone doesn't mean you'll be mad at them 3 years later.
I'm assuming the 4 to 1 time thing means they get 4 events a year and the 18 months time skip was a quiet time for them.
>>86106903
Nah he's going to be gay and progressive.
>>86114361
Cool
Captain America edit
>>86115134
Ree
>>86115236
This
>>86115134
Nice.
>>86092599
>>86115134
> Pumped full of Freedom
> Pumped full of Justice
Which should fill the witch?
>>86115591
Based on her characterization, Freedom seems most appropriate.
>>86115591
KREE ENERGY
>>86115591
Both
>>86115695
That works
>>86115591
absorbed solar energy
>>86113986
Damn
>>86115591
None, delete this.
>>86087733
>So....how are you liking her solo?
It's shit.
>>86089312
So a female Jim Lee Gambit?
>>86087733
She is so cute here I don't even
whose the artist and has he(or she) drawn more of her?
>>86119482
>whose the artist
Uh,
>MAHMUD ASRAR, LEONARD KIRK, GERARDO SANDOVAL, KENNETH ROCAFORT, RYAN STEGMAN and VICTOR IBANEZ
>>86119578
It's Asrar and no, he hasn't drawn her again because she isn't in All-New All-Different Avengers because she's a filthy ex-mutie.
>>86117194
Needs more Cheeky Uncle Chthon.
Needs less Blueballed Warlock.
>>86119963
>ex-mutie.
She was never a mutant.
;^)
>>86088493
I second this
>>86121498
Thank you
>>86088493
Doom would be interesting if they visited the "I covered for you after HoM because I knee they would never forgive you" theory
>>86122240
Doom is handsome now........WandaX Victor could be an amazing power couple
>>86089603
I liked that when he came back to do JLA/Avengers he brought back that same outfit even though it had been retired in continuity.
>>86124055
Based
>>86098639
I wasn't mad at that, I was mad that rogue got "killed" shortly after.
>>86109540
Women don't bond, they become friends with other women just long enough to learn how to destroy them.
>>86106272
I do remember that, but c'mon man, if she still has his powers I'm sure there's still remnants of him in there. It'd be the carol danvers thing all over again.
>>86106964
The good stuff is never referenced, I think other writers are scared of showcasing good stuff so people don't realize how much better it was... Speaking of which how do they let fantomex do ANYthing after that story.
>>86109512
The trick is to make a comic that feels like it's own comic but still lives and breathes in inside the universe that's been created. Perfect example spider-man 2099 vol2
NO MORE WAIFUS
NO MORE SHILLINH
NO MORE MARVEL
>>86125794
Well, I think there's a throwaway line about how Magneto put Humpty back together again in Bunn's book. So I guess he's """stable""".
It's really silly though. Book ends with Cable becoming healed. Uncanny Avengers has him missing an arm and an eye again.
I don't mind retcons (as much) if they'll give you some context, but wtf?
>>86092267
pre-retcon they were maxifmoffs you casual, then they got retconned to be americans, then they were retconned to be gypsy jews. This is when they became romani. Yes, they became romani when they were retconned to be Magneto's kids, YOU FUCKING CASUAL
>>86125978
>Cable becoming healed. Uncanny Avengers has him missing an arm and an eye again.
Yeah that's really disappointing, Marvel still gets royalties from the fox movies so they prolly still wanted cable to match up for deadpool 2 or something.
>>86126017
I mean, they could still keep the robot arm he's had since Hopeless's tenure and then keep the eye as his psychic focus or whatever for artistic effect.
I just wanted to see Cable bitch slap fools without a handicap on his telekinesis.
>>86126128
Man that was such a good bit in C&DP. I think he was too powerful though. maybe they could have an arc where his TK slowly gets better even with the handicap.
>>86126187
I dunno why, but the Telepath/Telekine wombo combo is my jam. I can't think of a character I dislike that has that powerset. Nate got needed further into the ground than oblivion, nobody uses Rachel well, nobody even remembers Psylocke has telekinetics which, along with her telepathy, got upgraded into the stratosphere by AoA Jean, Jean is kill, Quire is schizo. Liking psionics is suffering.
Yeah that'd be cool. I just wish they'd address Spurrier's stuff. Oh well, here's to Hope...oh fuck.
>>86125920
No moreeeeee
>>86126395
I totally agree, and as much as the new Trial of Jean grey event sucked ass, I really liked how jean came out with some crazy new power that seemed to...combine her powers into a physical energy attack? I thought that was badass. of course now in Extraordinary it's gone
>>86127811
Woah.
Sauce on this one?
>>86128065
I wish i could remember.
>>86128533
Might be a good idea to stop lewding the Scarlet Witch tbqh phams.
>>86130279
Max please
>>86130360
I'm serious, stop sexualizing Wanda.
>>86087765
>>86130728
Sorry anon.
>>86124055
that looks like the parasite chip in jla vol 2 issue 3 that was on ivo that black lightning and hawkgirl brought in to the justice hall
>>86132589
>>86131533
>>86129125
>>86128533
i'm just gonna take a guess and say, this costume style is not featured in any comic, am i right?
>>86132916
Ultimates 3 maybe? Looks somewhat similar to it
>>86113964
gorgeous
>>86135527
>>86136031
It's cool Magneto, you don't need to be shy about ogling her, turns out she's not your daughter after allfor now
>>86136346
You wonder if Magneto ever stared at her tits back in the Brotherhood days and then years later got weirded out when he realized he'd been undressing his daughter with his eyes?
>>86131214
this looks terrible
>>86136817
Maybe
I'll make bet that Infinity War will begin with a flashback to 10 year old Wanda having dinner with her family in Sokovia.
>>86126722
> Thanos rips out mind stone from Vision.
> Wanda goes super saiyan and strikes at the heart of the mad titan as she declares NO MORE CHAIRS!
>>86087733
Has she had her obligatory Marvel issue yet where she bitches about all the male wizards she had to learn about growing up and how the patriarchy prevented her from learning magic or some shit?
>>86138123
Surprisingly no.
Is this Buckingham? If so, someone should put Snow White from Fables saying "ghost" too.
>>86137646
>NO MORE CHAIRS
>>86113964
>literally Red Herring
>>86087888
I hope we get a scene after Civil War II where all of Carol's friends, especially Jessica, are mad at her, and Wanda comes to console her. Wanda knows what it's like for everyone to blame you for shit going down (though granted, in Wanda's case it wasn't her fault).
>>86137646
AN EYESORE
Do they keep on with the anti-male rhetoric in her book?
Only thing I remember is in the first book they immediately call out men for being scared of women with power
>>86143973
Cute
>>86144202
Generally, no, but occasionally its veered in that direction. That would be dumb as Wanda has had/has alot of strong friendships with male characters (Rogers, Strange, Barton).
Its kind of dumb that a whole ton of history about Witches and their relationship to Chthon (he created them and presumably many of them turned against him) which Robinson could have explored was missed because "muh woman power".
>>86144606
Oh well.
>>86087765
She isn't a mutant though. She isn't Magneto's daughter.
>>86144872
You say it like that's a bad thing.
>>86136817
>>86137335
Even after the Brotherhood days.
>>86144872
Yes she is, and yes she is.
>>86145766
>>86144872
If they wanted to, but they don't, they could actually turn this into a good story. If Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver register as mutants on all mutant-killing devices, if they've lived and been treated as mutants all their lives, if their powers are indistinguishable from mutant powers, then how are they not mutants?
It could be like a story of trans-mutantism, or how just because you weren't born with an X-gene doesn't mean you're not a mutant.
Of course nobody will tell that story because the retcon wasn't supposed to make sense and lead to good stories, it was just for spite.
>>86145676
>those artifacts
This triggers me
>>86145853
I think >>86144872 was referring to MCU Wanda.
If not, then I'll shut the fuck up.
>>86144950
Nostalgia
>>86147258
>>86148707
I am Sorry Carol.
>>86148707
>>86148886
Better
>>86151123
oh god.
>>86153064
Very good
>>86154544
Cool
Solos pretty eh, they didn't do their homework on Roma culture AT ALL. Like Robinson being all " funny thing is... red is unlucky in Roma culture..." no it isn't lol. Stupid gadjo.
best wanda costume tho.
>>86090853
Wanda IS a "progressive fave" tho, she's Romani-Jewish(or was, until dumbfuck retcon, now she's Romani-Romani). They even featured her on the big ANAD promo pic. But haven't done anything with her.
>>86091048
>>86090872
this honestly makes me wish men would stop writing Wanda.
>>86092121
>(I know Roma or Romani is PC now but just doesn't work here. Like Doctor Doom's family, their dad Django Maximoff is 100% comic-book Gypsy stereotype that has nothing to do with the real people.)
that's not how it works, though. and i have a lot of roma friends who have issues with these depictions but would be much more mad if the twins were taken away from them entirely - how many positive Romani depictions are there?
it's not much different to any other massively stereotyped ethnicity, honestly."comic-book Gypsy stereotype" is clearly based on real life Romani, just a ridiculous exaggeration thereof.
>>86092170
Roma are brownish on average but can be Olive or even somewhat pale. Wanda especially is often intentionally drawn as "exotic" looking. Comic book skintones are so inconsistent anyway I don't think anyone would care much if they started depicting them as light brown. I hate that they cases Ms. Whitey McWhitepants to play her, what a missed opportunity.
>>86090458
she spent the last issue yelling about how civil war 2 is dumb and tony should know because he was in force works with her
>>86099650
This is so fucking dumb, I hope that it turns out she's not her "literal" mother.
>>86090633
I love Perez but you totally can make that claim.
>>86155887
Cyborg And Deathstroke designs were not so great. Your right perez is great.
>>86155688
Let's play Wanda Bingo.
>>86155825
If, as I believe, Infinity War opens with a flashback to Wanda's childhood (to reinforce the emotional stakes), we might get a portrayal that is not stereotypical. Didn't she have a Selmer Guitar in CW?
So, we might get something, possibly.
Comic artists in the olden times only had about 7 colours to choose from so they were fucked when it came to skintone, even more so if a hack like Nel Yomtov was colouring
Ms. Whitey McWhitepants does have the ethereal frailty to a tea (welcome because 616 Wanda often was drawn as conventional normie).
>>86157517
As for positive portrayals of Romani, Bendis and Byrne pretty much destroyed that.
>>86156428
I love this pic.
>>86157114
Does Wanda have a mental illness?
>>86155660
my experience is guys like her better than girls and she's not particularly a progressive fave in the sense of standing for some progressive cause.
She's an old-fashioned Stan Lee kind of character who always looks pretty and points at stuff instead of punching. This was lampshaded by Jim Shooter in an Avengers issue where Carol Danvers guest-starred.
This isn't a criticism because I think there's no reason why a "progressive" character should be better or worse than an old-fashioned one, people are just people. It does explain why Marvel doesn't know what to do with her or the original Wasp, the first two female Avengers. They're great characters but they don't fit the narrow idea some writers have of what makes a good character.
>>86158259
She DID fuck and marry a robot
>>86155849
>she spent the last issue yelling about how civil war 2 is dumb and tony should know because he was in force works with her
this sounds good though
>>86155861
you mean biological mother?
>>86158295
kek
this is true.....
I meant something along the lines of clinical depression or bipolar disorder though
>>86158259
She has (or had in a couple of stories) generic fictional "madness," which is as different from real mental illness as Steve Urkel is from a real person with Asperger's.
Robinson has made some references to real mental illnesses in the comic including a really cringeworthy moment when she calls Pietro a sociopath. I think it's just trivializing to compare this kind of "GO CRAZY AND KILL KILL KILL" operatic madness to the real problems real people have.
Then again I also hate all comparisons of fake comic book problems to real-life tragedies (like "surprise! Magneto is Jewish and a Holocaust survivor and that explains the whole mutant-rights thing"). Not everyone agrees.
>>86145853
Damn son, that's a great hook.
>>86157582
Not like that was hard to do that. There's nothing really positive about Gypsies.
Wanda's better a slav anyway.
>>86158259
recent issue of Scarlet Witch had her self-diagnose as bipolar if I recall,
she then turned around and told Quicksilver she had come to the conclusion he was a certifiable narcissist
>>86158259
Until one of us can get it retconed, does anyone have any talent?
>>86158453
Ambiguous kind of Eastern European stereotype
Both steal your shit and squat everywhere
>>86158616
Apart from Magneto, how many characters have been retconned to be part of a minority and actually had it stick? (And even he was changed from Jewish to Gypsy briefly in the '90s because they were worried about having a Jewish villain.)
It seems like it's hard to go "oh, this character was _____ all along" and have it stick. But it did stick with Magneto to the point that Claremont's retcon made it to the movies.
>>86158616
>Both steal your shit and squat everywhere
True. But Gypsies are the real cultural trash of Europe. Even to the point that they spread across the Atlantic. Slavs generally stick to eastern Europe/Russia.
And they gave us Hardbass. What the fuck did the Gypsies give?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhCIIg6PmZk
>>86158508
>>86158491
>>86158408
I think it'd be great if she was retroactively suffering from a legit mental illness, and then part of her character evolution could be how she deals with it/remains stable; but thats a long shot, since comic book writing is generally shallow as fuck as y'all have previously noted
I write.........i've never written a comic though, i write prose and poetry anon.
I can see Pietro as a narcissist, but i think thats a massive and almost insulting oversimplification of him and his character.
>>86158696
i really can't think of many instances where a character ethnic background was actually stated and important.
Most comic character are just generic white people....lot of DC capes have dark hair and light eyes, but even that means very little.
>>86158722
>And they gave us Hardbass. What the fuck did the Gypsies give?
Esmeralda?
>>86158779
Indirectly, as it's not in the nature of Gypsies to give. But I'll give you that one.
>TFW you'll never go on a vodka and Kvass fueled hardbass protest with Pietro and Wanda. Then go and crash at their place and wake up to breakfast of blin and кoмпoт
>>86157114
Sure
>>86157114
That's from the Scarlet Witching Tumblr, right?
Despite the sometimes Tumblrite PC jargon the blogger uses (like there) it's actually a really good Tumblr with an intelligent and fair take on the character's history. A lot of comics bloggers get really angry at writers for doing something they don't like or at characters for things the writers make them do, but this blogger knows what they like and don't like and doesn't get huffy about the stuff they don't like.
>>86158344
Issue 9 had amazing art (even surpassing Rudy IMHO) and the interaction between Wanda and Pietro was illuminating up until
Pietro in the comics is for some odd reason always drawn as a 60 year old man. Its just weird. ATJ was the most Pietro looking Pietro we have ever had.
>>86159895
(Oops did not finish)
* up until the fight, which apparently may be explained by Red Skull shenanigans on Pietro.
But...its like Robinson can't have Wanda and Pietro have a thoughtful, passionate conversation without shoving Hyperbolic fighting in.
Its sad that the only non-OC/Agatha interaction Wanda has had in SW is with Pietro. No Steve, Clint, or Carol.
I have a feeling after this book Wanda is going to be "retired" until the comics division cashes in on Infinity War.
>>86158743
>i think thats a massive and almost insulting oversimplification of him and his character.
to be fair, they were having a heated argument and she was clearly trying to hurt him emotionally
>>86157114
i've very upset with this anti-Vision stuff that gets slung around.
>>86160297
The writer of that Tumblr is an admitted Wanda/Steve shipper, though not a fanatical one. They don't hate Vision but they don't like how Wanda will never be with Steve.
Stan Lee had Wanda's crush on Steve in the '60s but left before it went anywhere, and Remender seemed to be hinting at something before he went with the Old Man Steve Rogers story instead. Now that MCU Steve considers her "just a kid" the 'shippers are SOL.
>>86160297
he forced Wanda to abort their kids
AFTER they were born
>>86160508
> MCU Steve considers her "just a kid"
doesn't mean they can't ship....I'd honestly prefer WandaX Steve over Wanda X Vision, since Vision is probably gonna die in IW anyway.
plus Evans has more chemistry with Olsen than he does with the actress who plays Sharon.
ahh
yeah let me quit stalling and go ahead and dig up the issues. searching the archive is such a pain these days.
>>86159895>>86160169
the art on the covers is great, im glad the interiors are also good.....would it be worth it for me to go dig up floppies?
Wanda and Pietro were on the outs or something like that anyway, weren't they?
>>86160297
fuck vision
>>86160674
If you're going to have Steve fuck everyone he has more chemistry with than Emily VanCamp...
>>86160621
Viz was the one who wanted to have kids!!
>>86160508
MCU Steve can still cuddle her, though.
>>86160674
>plus Evans has more chemistry with Olsen than he does with the actress who plays Sharon.
>tfw /pol/ and /tv/ inadvertently made me want Cap to Wanda solely for pure aryan babies
Where did I go wrong?
>>86160297
I'm not anti-Vision, but I do think comic writers got off on portraying him being a dick towards her (especially Byrne), and the magic babies thing just rubbed everyone up the wrong way.
>>86160843
Byrne was trying to fix a real problem which is that Steve Englehart had made Vision such a boring suburban clod that there was absolutely nothing interesting about him any more.
Unfortunately you know what happens when Byrne tries to get a character "back to basics." He fucks up unless he has a really good editor. But I don't think he was wrong that Vision and Wanda needed a big shakeup.
>>86160694
SteveXBucky>SteveXSam>>steveXWanda>
POWERGAP
>SteveXNat>SteveXTony>
POWERGAP
POWERGAP
POWERGAP
>SteveXSharon
that being said, I know that they'll never let Steve be gay, and thus here we are
>>86160836
would Sokovians be considered Aryan?
it seems like it supposed to be eastern europe, and they didn't show much of their parents, so they could still slide the Roma angle in there
>>86160843
he was kind of a dick in CW too, now that I think about it
>>86160508
So many ships...
> Wanda x Vision
> Wanda x Steve
> Wanda x Clint
> Wanda x Simon
> Wanda x Doom
> Wanda x Chthon
>>86161177
you left out Wanda x Jean
GOOD WANDA SHIP
Vision
ACCEPTABLE WANDA SHIP
Cap
Wonder Man
GARBAGE WANDA SHIP
Everyone Else
>>86161135
That wasn't Vision. It's fucking too complicated to explain but different person.
>>86160954
They retired, they were done!
>>86161135
Did she have a Selmer guitar...that's Romani isn't it?
>>86161195
>That wasn't Vision. It's fucking too complicated to explain but different person.
wait, what do you mean
Vision was totally a dick, he could have followed Tony's orders and been way more pleasant about it; he wasn't an outright ass, no, but he was still kind of a dick, especially compared to AoU
>>86161135
>would Sokovians be considered Aryan?
>it seems like it supposed to be eastern europe, and they didn't show much of their parents, so they could still slide the Roma angle in there
Hey, if she's allowed to have a convoluted might/might not be white origin in the funny books, it's perfectly acceptable to have it in the movies too
>>86161188
"You know, Wanda?"
"What?"
"You're gay."
>>86161304
>it's a "Jean makes Wanda pure" episode
Best episode
>>86161195
Which Cap?
>>86160674
>>86161195
They weren't even retired, Englehart had them move out to California and join the West Coast Avengers, which is how Byrne got them.
Englehart quit WCA because the editors wanted him to stop writing stories about Mantis. MANTIS. Nobody ever loved a character like that man loved Mantis.
So basically, everything that happened to Wanda at the hands of Byrne, Bendis, et al is because of Englehart's Mantis obsession.
>>86161557
>Nobody ever loved a character like that man loved Mantis.
Bendis and Luke Cage
>>86161580
Steve's love of Mantis was always romantic...Bendis's love of Luke is something darker.
>>86161646
That's racist
>>86089312
They could have gone with that for her movie costume.
>>86161791
They might use elements of it in Infinity War, the ring symbols and boots maybe.
>>86091484
He's right though.
And her face looks gross and swollen.
>>86114410
You and me both. They want me to do Lewd things to them
Also bump this threads been alive since forever.
>>86159479
link yo?
>>86151123
omg
Goodnight thread it was fun.