Is Marvel Comics beyond saving?

Hopefully.

>>86032849
Not until Slott, Bendis, and every other nutjob working there gets fired or ends up dead

>Morons like bendis still getting work
>Morons keep buying his work
If these two things stop happening i believe the quality will increase

>>86032849
Serves them right for fucking up every franchise with idiotic experimental changes no one asked for

It would be justifiable if they at least tested the waters for reactions, but going full retard and not coming back? fuck them

>>86032849
DC survives new52, isn't it?

>>86032951
Arent Marvel book sales at an all time low?

>>86032849
It's been beyond saving since X-factor #1 and that was 30 years ago.

>>86032996
Not even close?

>>86032958
Also this. Nu52 was mostly garbage and now DC seems to have bounced back. This weird experimental crap Marvel is doing is a phase, and it will pass, just like how every other phase in comics has passed.

>>86032996
no really, marvel sales were the highest until rebirth

>>86032996
No. That was in the 90s when they nearly went bankrupt. Even if they did worse sales-wise within this decade, they would still be safe because of the Mouse.

>>86032996
Literally the highest since the crash

It's just a rough point, sales will determine the future.

>>86033124
Is Disney pulling the strings here? Are they reason MC has become so PC/SJW shitty

>idiotic experimental changes no one asked for

Unfortunately there have been people demanding more racial and gender-diversity in comics for a while now.

>>86033157
Well let's put it this way. Disney mandated that no artists are allowed to depict Slave Leia ever again. In any context. Not even statues.

I'm waiting for the Mouse to clean house.

>>86033226
What do you think they'll replace it with?

>>86032958

New 52 wasn't as bad as ANAD. nu52 had a bunch of gems in each wave ANAD just has Vision and Moon Knight

>>86033284

Shit

They need a 'new 52' esque reboot.

They want racial diversity but they all use the names of existing characters, and alienate the fans of those characters in the process. If they weren't such cowards they would create new racially diverse characters that can stand on their own.

>>86033157
The reason everything is so pc/sjw is because you let it happen

>>86033284
Don't even care. I just want to see it burn. Mostly for Brevoort. His attitude sucks.

Vision is pretty good

>>86033326
Nah.
They courted outrage, it's what they wanted.mevery protest bolstered their resolve and gave them even more readons to call themselves heros.
That said pcness is not so much a problem as brand dilution (how many Spider-men,Thors, Hulks, Wasps, Captan Marvels, Nick Furys and Captain Americas do you need?)
Everybody thinks new characters wont sell, but that's what team books are for, to create buzz for new guys.

>>86033324

There is a way to have minorities be good legacy characters. Montoya's Question, Jaime's Blue Beetle are just a couple of examples but the difference between them and say JaneThor is that they really had to earn it and they did. And because of that they're well loved. Meanwhile if you have a problem with FemThor you're an evil misogynist for not accepting that she is THE REAL Thor immediately.

>>86033433
And Thor sucked long before Jane got the hammet.

>>86033448
You didnt like the pre female-thor jason aaron stuff?

>>86033448
It's a shame the book before they changed that was actually decent but you don't stear away from beating a kid just because he says he is sorry

Is the same shitpost thread reposted every night beyond saving?

>>86033483
Not once the shit with the Dark Elves or whatever started. I quit before Jane even arrived.*
I am a total Kirby/Simonsonfag, though.

*I gave up on the rest of the line with the end of Hickman's FF. Bendis Avengers and Slott Spidey bored me to the point where I can't bring myself to catch up with any of it, even on unlimited.

Why so sad?

>>86032920
yeps, this is exactly what i was going to say.

i can't read anything marvel meow... because it's all written by Bendis or one of the other Bendis clones they have running marvel. Marvel is like 100% Bendises meow. I can't remember the last thing from Marvel I enjoyed.

>>86032958
meow they're doing it again with rebirth... and nothing from DC is worth reading meow except Injustice. The new Harley Quinn is the most goddawful thing I've ever read, including boring hipster black and white shit.

what's going on now?

>>86033366
Too bad it's ending

>>86033226
>>86033157
Disney is scared of Marvel because of Perlmutter, they're not going to do shit as long as the movies still do fine.

Disney is Marvel's bitch sadly.

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Jim could save Marvel.

>>86034372
>Disney is scared of Marvel because of Perlmutter, they're not going to do shit as long as the movies still do fine.
But that's kind of odd considering Perlmutter is a conservative and the PC writing staff and editors hate him.

DC is almost 100% for homosexuals meow.

>>86034482
100%? That's an impressive statistic, how did you gather this data?

Did you personally take a Bat-poll?

Yes, the medium which is known for constantly rebooting their entire universes, changing personalities based on writers, and the constant introduction of new characters is beyond saving because of a couple years where they didn't pander to you

>>86034202
>i can't read anything marvel meow...
Cat, how do you even internet.

>>86034587
LOL ... cats ...

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>>86034202
>>86034233
>>86034482

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The greatest thing about its sinking sales is the huge middle finger it gives to all the SJW shit that Marvel tries to shove down fans' throats on a monthly basis.

http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2016/2016-06.html
http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2016/2016-07.html
For those of you who are saying that their sales are good. No, they're fucking not. They're at their lowest ever. EVER.

Some of you have been saying that the 90s were their worst, and when compared to them, they do good now.
Yeah, Marvel's 90s comics were disappointing but not nearly as bad as they are now.
And during the 90s, they were selling much, much more than they do now. There's no comparison here, unless it's too show how bad they fail now.
Here, let's check some random 90s month sales....
http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/1996/1996-09.html
http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/1997/1997-09.html
Point made.

Marvel comics will die in our lifetime, and we're going to celebrate it.

>>86034683
>at their lower, ever
>marvel's 90s were disappointing
you are horrendously retarded

marvel's 90s were so bad that they were literally on the verge of bankrupty

The comics will be shitty as long as you folks keep falling over yourselves to see every lame-ass action comedy 15 times times.

All that just means there will be relatively little X-Men and F4 while Marvel spams shit at the wall, hoping to find the next inexplicably popular thing before RDJ decides he's done.

>>86033324
This post should be a sticky.

>>86034696
Sorry but I don't see it from their monthly sales.

>>86034696
to add on to this, if their numbers are so bad, then why are we praising DC's numbers when in the past 2 months, they have had the exact same market share percentage

>>86034706
>X-Men
>F4
>not action comedies

>>86034712
I don't praise DC.
In fact I don't give a fuck about DC.
I just hate Marvel.

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Can anyone name five current Marvel comics worth following?

>>86034734
so you think the ENTIRE comic industry is just going to blow up?

>>86034740
Ms Marvel and Nova they are the only two who matter

>>86034747
Well, accorded to the charts I posted, DC is doing ok.
Mainly because of Rebirth, but even before that, they were going steady with their sales.
Not good, definitely not good but not as bad Marvel, not nearly as bad.

>>86034740
Superior Ironman

oh wait

>>86034740
all marbels is putting out meow is Civil War 2 shit.

WHY is the guy everybody hates (Bendis) is running everything at marvel meow??

>>86034778
>according to the crayon scribbles I made on the ChuckyCheese bathroom wall, Marvel is poo! DC rules!

>>86034740
Ultimates, New Avengers, Captain Marvel, Vision, Ms. Marvel.

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>>86034740
No.

>>86034831
Did you even bother to check the links?
They're official monthly sales from every comic company

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>>86034831
>>86034843
DCasuals just got BTFO

>>86034740
(excluding The Vision and New Avengers due to near-ending status)

Spider-man/Deadpool
Moon Knight
The Ultimates
Uncanny Avengers
Black Widow

>>86034740
some of the Star Wars comics are okay

>>86034553
>sore winner detected
Got what you wanted but can't let go of your anger, anon? Passive aggresive sarcasm wont fill the emptiness that comes about from someone not liking what you like.
And while you're smugly patting yourself on the back, remember nobody builds a hierarchy without putting themselves on top. You ain't so special.

>>86034740
Ultimates, New Avengers, Totally Awesome Hulk, Ms. Marvel, Cap Marvel, both Cap America's, Silk sans art, I hear Venoms good now, Vision, the Civil War tie-ins are all pretty good (Accused, Fallen, Kingpin, etc.), though Choosing Sides is very hit or miss, Black Panther, Power Man and Iron Fist, Vision, Nova occasionally, Gwenpool, All-New Inhumans, Uncanny Inhumans every other issue, Uncanny X-Men, Uncanny Avengers, Squadron Supreme, Hyperion though that just ended, and that's all off the top of my head.

>>86034740
I only got Star Wars and that's only if you're die hard fan who would even buy a random piece of shit if you were told it's Chewbacca's.

>>86034431
he keeps reminding me of drake bell

>>86033291

cmon.

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>>86034740
I'm just in it for the reprints, anon.
Reprints full of cracker ass crackers.

>>86034941
Cept Jim wasn't in jail yesterday.

>>86033433
There was a time, when Stan Lee and Jack Kirby were creating new classics every fucking day.
I wouldn't expect a new Lee and Kirby but right now we have the exact opposite of them.

>>86034999
Stan certainly wasn't interested in outrage sales. And those guys were progressive when it took balls.

>>86035037
They were the real All-New All-Different.
You read their work and you sympathize with their causes.
You read the new guys' work and you feel offended and hated. That's not how it works.

>>86034667
The best part is all the people it Pisses off with its pandering. Someone getting mad at something you enjoy is icing on the cake

>>86032849
yes. I stopped buying any of their shit

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>>86033209
>Disney mandated that no artists are allowed to depict Slave Leia ever again. In any context. Not even statues.

>>86035081
Obama is behind Kamala? I'm voting for that guy again

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>>86035117

>>86033189
The funny thing being that the vast majority of those people don't buy comics.

>>86032849
Do a complete overhaul, fire writers like Hopeless, Bendis and Aaron, Slott, just reassign him to a new book as he is not bad, just burnt out from Spidey, hire new good writers, give more books to talented workers.

>>86035104
That's not entirely true though.
We're not being pissed off because of that. At least, not I.
If I'm such a racist, why do I love the Black Panther? Or the second generation of X-Men, who all came from diverse cultural and ethnical backgrounds?
If I'm such a misogynist why do I love Storm or Spider-woman (At least her 80s stuff, dunno about now) or Jessica Jones too, even though she had Bendis all over her?

I don't dislike the new Captain America because he's black (and fact is, I really liked Sam Wilson as the Falcon), I dislike the new Captain America because he's not Steve Rogers.
I don't dislike the new Thor because she's a woman, I dislike the new Thor because it's not Thor Odinson.
And worse yet, they don't just steal their spot but they also villify them. Thor Odinson is not worthy, Steve Rogers is a Hydra Agent all along, etc etc.

Clearly there's an agenda, demonize white guys, propagandize diversity, feminism, liberalism, etc. whatever.
I don't care. You want to have more strong women and persons of color, fine! I like them too, but make new ones. Don't just destroy your classics and fan favorites for their sake.

>>86034999
Why should they create new classic when obviously the readers don't want them?

Once they were able to create so many characters because almost all the readers were kids that read comic books for a period of roughly three years (to the point that they could literally recycle an old story without any problem)
This way they could create new characters that would be the protagonists of the first comic books of a ton of readers.
Now that turnover is much slower, with ton of people that can have read comics for more than 20 years, and they couldn't care less about Gravity or characters like that. They just want a new Spider-Man, Batman or Superman issue

>>86035104
Really?
That seems kind of pointless amd small.

>>86035247
Not exactly... There is a reason that the New X-Men are so well received and everyone here wants them back while the Jean Grey School Kids are hated and the Morrison Kids are either forgotten about or hated.

You need to introduce something that is unique and at the same time good. I mean, the New X-Men were like catching lightning in a bottle. Progressive, without being in your face about it. A lot of potential story wise and fantastic characterization

>>86032849

I feel like everything would be better if they stopped pushing Carol

>>86035247
Anon, the all readers were kids thing isca myth. Marvel was huge with college age adults, servicemen and older people throughout the sixties. The letter pages are full of them.
What's missing is a Kirby.

>>86035232
That's A LOT of text explaining yourself anon. Seems shallow you would have so many keynotes on why you're not a bigot. It's like a criminal with a perfect description of everything he was doing on a day 7 months ago that didn't involve the crime in question.

>>86035270
It'll always be an " Us vs. Them" thing. You don't even have to agree with the points so long as the effect they cause amuses you.

>>86035289
They all had flaws and personal agendas too as opposed to being representative of everyone who shared a gender or skin color with them.

>>86034911
Spotted the Ultimate Marvel shill

>>86035247
>Why should they create new classic when obviously the readers don't want them?
Readers have been open to new characters. They are today, they always have been.

They just need to be sold on them. This takes time and effort. Characters have to be allowed to grow and become enjoyed organically.

The problem is that they all want new characters to be breakout successes and don't want to invest what is necessary for organic growth.

The people screaming at them for diversity don't want to wait for organic growth either. If they did they would have been buying comics that featured the characters they were looking for, and there were many, over the years and voicing their wants through their patronage like everyone else.

The issue there, of course, being that those people don't really buy comics in the first place.

>>86035358
>us vs them
>over picture books.
As I said, small and petty.

>>86035358
Are you trying to make him out to be a bigot in denial?

You realize that after all the instances of any criticism for things like this getting you instantly branded as some sort of racist/misogynist/asshole of some sort that what he did would be a natural reaction?

>>86035378

what do you mean? the ultimates has nothing to do with ultimate marvel

>>86035358
That's A LOT of projection anon.

>>86035358
>criminal
Do go on. You have certainly displayed the sterling nature of your character so far.

>>86035363
Exactly, that team was absolutely fun as they were characters, all with their own problems and not just a bunch of analogies. Tbh I would actually like some like Gillan or Abnett to write them.

>>86035247
I seriously doubt that. Comic book fans aren't an aging group.
If they were and only cared about Spiderman, Batman and Superman as you say then why did Spawn sold so great in the 90s?

There are those of us who have been won over during the 80s and 90s and still follow them but also every new generation will have potential new customers so long as Marvel can appeal to them.

Marvel is doing the right thing in "evolving", so they can win the new generations. They just don't do that right thing in the right way.
Because what they're achieving now, is alienating us old fans and not winning any new ones.
They alienate us because they destroy our favorite characters and not winning new ones because they lack the true creativity and quality writing they need, to win them over.

>>86034893
There was nothing fucking passive or sarcastic about that goddamn statement, he flat out said it, comicbooks are the moronic chump's medium and will continue to be.

>>86035430
>>86035422
>>86035404
>>86035450
Why are you people even responding to this faggot?
He's shitting all over the board and about as recognizable as "pussy-begging simps" shitposter at this point.

>>86035479
U mad?

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>>86035232
>I'm not racist i have one black friend!
>I'm not racist i black characters
This isn't an argument

>>86035468
You can really see that marvel has the attitude that their fans are stupid. Everytime a writer makes a comment about how making fans mad makes them buy more or that they'll buy it anyway.

There's some truth to it, but that sort of behavior does push people away.

>>86035507
>I'm not racist i black characters
Want to try that again?

>>86035468

>why did Spawn sold so great in the 90s?

There's also Deadpool and Quinn who came out off the 90's. Probably the best examples of time and effort being put into building a character

>>86035137

Spider Gwen ruined it

>>86035516
Trollong is hard and it's late.

>>86035289
I'm not going to argue that no character was able to reach fame after the '60s. That's obviously bullshit. But those are really the exception to the rules, a few drops in the oceans of the army of characters that were created and, if they're lucky, were able to be C-list enough to be killed off by Bendis during one of his events

>>86035468
Because some characters have a period in which they are big before fading into anonymity. Marvel's Kid Trinity is pretty big right now Nova less so, but he's the Wonder Woman of the group, but we'll have to see if they'll survive the change of decade

>>86035540
Note the second line I wrote.

There's some truth to it, but the fanbase's tolerance is neither uniform nor is it unending. The more they do it, the more leave, more start buying less, others change habits and start buying trades instead of floppies. It's slow, but it happens.

>>86035567
Few characters hitting it big and most failing IS the rule. That's no different today as it was in decades past.

>>86035540
Not just otaku. Anyone who thinks anime can ever be good.

>>86035358
Well, I have to explain myself when I'm accused of being a bigot.
Everytime someone criticizes what Marvel or orthers too, are doing now, are being accused of being misogynists and racists and bigots and whatnot.

>>86035540

hows does that differ from the standard comic fan in general? which base of fans hasnt been tried to be fed shit?

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Marvel needs to cut some dead weight titles. Pic fucking related.

There's still a lot of great books from current Marvel, to be honest. I unironically enjoy Vision, Black Widow, The Mighty Thor, Black Panther, Moon knight, and Star Wars among others. I'd be hard pressed to list any DC book which are as good as these titles.

Truth is, DC isn't actually churning out any particularly amazing books currently, its just that their lineup has been so filled up with mediocre titles for years that the recent improvement in quality are making DCFriends way overrate the current lineup.

>>86035567
>Marvel's Kid Trinity is pretty big right now
No, they're not.
They don't sell well.

>>86035593
>which base of fans hasnt been tried to be fed shit
Kanye, because everything he makes is pure gold.

>>86035581
It's the rule outside of Lee/Ditko/Kirby in the 60's.

>>86035595

How the fuck is Moon Girl still going after the relaunch? It's last issue just scrapped over 10k

>>86035603

>This fucking bias

New 52 and DCYou had more good titles than Marvel has over the last 6 years

>>86035603
We're not talking about DC anon.

>>86035450
It's an example of the first thing to comes to mind when someone over complicates a simple yes or no question.

Would you prefer the cheating spouse one?

>>86035488
I'm glad all it takes is my first post to get people like this

>>86035615
If you look at all the characters they created, they have their fair share of failures.

>>86035603
>Black Widow, The Mighty Thor, Black Panther

But these are all trash and the Star Wars books are boring as fuck

>>86035569
I don't care if its not universal, the fact the marvel fanbase didn't drop them like they had HIV when they candidly admit that they do stupid, horrible, moronic shit just get their fanbase angry, not even from some sort of leaked or hacked email account, flat out admitted it, they deserve every single iota of venom they get tossed at.

>>86035618
Because "muh smart woc!"

>>86035618
Trades I believe.

>>86035589
No you don't friend. You don't owe anyone anything when there is no real punishment other than criticisms of your person by people you'll likely never interact with ever again.

If you know you're a good person then what's it to you

>>86035659
I made an effort to explain this to you, but I don't think you can look past your disdain for comic consumers to understand it.

You might not care that it isn't universal, but you keep wanting to treat them as a unified hivemind.

>>86035644
Nah, it's projecting. Hard. I like how you try to manipulate the dialogue to make it look otherwise.
You are so very small.

>>86035663

But not even giving it a new #1

Looking at the lineup I'm convinced Marvel is setting up their own DCYou so they launch "Revival" a year later

>>86035595
That cover is almost decent until you spot the nu-male in the back, followed by what I can only assume is a depiction of Kate Leth herself with the undercut. Every person there looks like a special snowflake.

>>86035595

honestly, i feel like half the books Marvel publishes these days are just vain attempts to keep trademarks on the names of various c and d-list characters active, just so DC or another comic publisher can't jump in and make their own Hellcat or whatever....

>>86035671
He's trying to discuss a topic where either two things happen.

He lists his criticisms and gets called a bigot.

or

He explains he isn't a bigot and gets called a bigot.

The problem really is that he, and everyone else, should immediately recognize that the people who can't discuss this without calling people who don't like something secret racists are simply too ridiculous to deserve anything but ridicule.

>>86035646
I have and not really. The vast majority of ASM and FF villians are still being used.

>>86035689
I'd agree with you if the writers and editors weren't batshit crazy and care more about pushing their agendas than sales.

>>86035714
That's the reason series like Mockingbird are being cancelled, right?

>>86035712
Did you really? Because looking at the lists of characters they are credited, for, there's a hefty amount of failed no names.

Let alone that those 3 are NOT representative of the entire industry, so demanding they be the metric is ridiculous.

>>86035646
Some villains have been forgotten but the heroes are all classics. There's only a small minority of them that didn't make it.
As opposed to now, where there is only a small minority of the heroes created that make it.

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>>86035595
Whats wrong with Hellcat? Is it as bad as Squirrel Girl?

>>86035739
Mockingbird is actually pretty decent. Why is it getting cancelled?

>>86035763
Doesn't sell shit.

>>86035744
Hellcat has better art, but the writing is just as bad as Squirrel Girl, if not worse.

>>86035744
Oh my god whats wrong with everyones face.

>>86035714
>>86035689

I'd be up for it if it gave us Fantastic Four : Reunion

Is the new Black Panther run any good?

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>>86033284
Sell the licence to DC.

>>86035836
They'll come back when Marvel'll stop the whole "Divided We Stand" thing and bring out the Heroic Age II

>>86035819

Looking at the whole picture I think it's Squirrel Girl day dreaming

>>86034999
>Stan Lee
>Creating anything.

>>86035868
Seeing as what they're doing to the X-men just to fuck over fox, I don't think it'll be that soon

>>86035893
Right after IvX there will be Resurrection

Or, rather, ResurrXction
Pretty bad, but at least it's not X-cution

>>86035892
He created Marvel. Kirby can't say the same

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Eh theres still some decent stuff coming out of the House of Ideas. Just most of it is centered around the Ms.Marvel/Miles Morales/Sam Alexander trinity. Though the Daredevil stuff is good.

Should we count the Star Wars stuff as Marvel, as its batting 1000 so far, especially Darth Vader.

>>86035910
Not saying my dad works at nintendo but isn't the general consensus that they're merging them with inhumans to get the stories away from fox?

>>86035920
>Eh theres still some decent stuff coming out of the House of Ideas.
No.

>>86035744
>>86035763
Squirrel Girl: Derp derp derp derp
Mockingbird: Fuck off patriarchal shitlords!
Hellcat: Webcomic!
Ms. Marvel: Islam is good guys!
Iron Man: Black girls rock!
Captain America: Sam Wilson: #BlackLivesMatter!
Nighthawk: #BlackLivesMatter and #FuckDaPolice!
Thor: Feminism is not a four letter word!
Moon Girl: Black toddlers are smarter than grown white men!
All-New X-Men: #LGBTQIAAP #IceDildo
Uncanny Inhumans: We X-Men now!
Hulk: Asian teenagers are better than white men!
Captain Marvel: Lesbians and big government!
Angela: Fuck MRAs and go trannies!
Uncanny Avengers: Let's just throw some shit together!
All-New Avengers:Only one fucking white male! And that's still too much!
New Avengers: We're her! We're queer!
Ultimates: Carol brings hot sauce wherever she goes!
SHIELD: Watch the show goddamit!
Amazing Spider-Man: Clonesclonesclonescolones!
Spider-Man: Boring black Spider-Man!
Hawkeye: Pathetic loser and young female intern!

>>86035926
The /co/ meme is that they're merging with the Inhumans to get the stories away from Fox

Those ideas are simply retarded, really, and disproved by the first thing they did when the last X-Men movie came out was immediately make synergy arcs on all the X-Men books about Apocalypse

>>86035920
>as its batting 1000 so far,

Is it fuck. Darth Vader is the only good book. July's issue of Star Wars was good because it focused on the Storm Troopers which was refreshing. But now we're back to the boring adventures of Luke, Han and Leia

>>86035920
Charles Soule's Daredevil is fucking great.

>>86035951
You sound pretty butthurt, anon, while also only being able to see things throw the race of their characters
Kamala barely has anything to do with Islam, and they didn't even acknowledge that Amadeus is asian in his series

>Captain Marvel: Lesbians and big government!
>Angela: Fuck MRAs and go trannies!

im gonna need an explanation for these

>>86035994

It's pretty boring, really. I liked the issue where he played Poker though

If they're so big on mixing it up and changing the status quo, why don't they burn everything to the ground and start completely fresh?

>>86035232
what did you think of Thunderstrike & BuckyCap?

>>86035970
And now they're killing them all off. I don't see the issue. Both actions are cash grabs. Setting fire to a sinking ship for warmth just to get as much out of it as possible.

Purely from a business stand point it seems suicidle to waste time and resources on a comic you can't cash out on in the cinematic universe just as cape films are picking up again and most turning profit left and right. What's the point in selling 2 million dollars on a godly comic run and then having someone else use that exact material to make 70 million

>>86036008
Because burning everything down and starting fresh never works for long

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>>86035951
The rectalravagery is strong with this one.

>>86036026
How would we know? Nobody's ever tried it.

>>86035999
Marvel lacks the balls to make Carol an actual lesbian

Angela was trash through and through that tried to use the Brevoort method to garner fame through infamy, and failed. Even Brian Michael 'The Man With No Taste' Bendis thinks it was shit

>>86036032

Warhammer has. It's not going well

>>86036035
Wait wasn't Angela a Spawn character?

>>86036025
Because this way you can make two million dollars?
Instead of making 0 millions and hope for eventually being able to make 72 millions, hoping that they're going to give you back the licenses in this decade and the movie bubble will not have bursted yet?

I don't see where that's supposed to be a waste of resources. There have been so many stories with the mutants that even if they stopped making them immediately Fox would still be able to make 10 more movies out of the existing ones

Also the mutants are always on the way of being all killed
>OMG, the racists will kill us all, help
>OMG, the Beyonder will kill us all, help
>OMG, the Legacy virus will kill us all, help
>OMG, Scarlet will take away all our powers, leading us to extinction soon, help

>>86036032
DC tried 5 years ago. They're now forced to retcon everything as "totally the same universe as before"

>>86035997
>Kamala barely has anything to do with Islam
Member of Nazi Party has nothing to do with Nazism

>>86033226

Star Wars push when? It's only a matter of time until Bendis is writing Darth Vader.

>>86036106
DC didn't finish the job. They did a weird mishmash of half continuity and half fresh that just confused everything. Marvel needs a no half measures approach to do it.

>>86036092
They don't have to HOPE for anything anon. Their movies consistently make bank and they're cheap to make.

You wouldn't last two seconds in a room full of investors.
> I'm gonna give you an idea that'll make us millions and our competitors BILLIONS, so who's on board?

Investors aren't looking for investments with the lowest returns and most companies don't even invest in their own ideas for should they fail

>>86036145
Maybe you missed the point about the ten more movie they could already make

> I'm gonna give you an idea that'll make us millions and our competitors BILLIONS, so who's on board?

or

>I'm gonna give you an idea that'll make us zero dollars while our competitor can use the material we've already produced to make BILLIONS, so who's on board

Keeping alive the X-Men isn't a way to automatically make FOX create good movies

Also all this "Marvel wants to kill the X-Men" doesn't address the fact that FOX has the rights for Deadpool too, yet we have Deadpool, Deadpool and the Mercs for Money, Spider-Man/Deadpool and whatever Marvel Infinity comics they may want to release

>>86036119
Dude, the force, dude!

Where's my bong?

>>86036164
>marvel want to kill the x men

the whole planet is in danger ever other week, yes? if i was a superhero i'd just give up and say fuck it, too much work. besides they all have proof of a good afterlife so let this shithole blow up for all i care.

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>>86034553
> changing personalities
I just went through Kyle/Yost X-Force and X-23. Even read the Liu run. Then I read Bendis' X23 on All New X-Men...wtf happened to Laura?

>>86036190
Bendis. Bendis happened.

>>86036132
>DC had a huge editorial-mandated fuckup that cost them a huge chunk of their market share
>clearly they didn't fuck up hard enough!

I'd like to see Marvel do that, actually. The fallout would be amazing.

>>86036164
You're so short sighted I'm surprised you can even read. That 2 million dollar comic run vs the 70 dollar movie one off would require them to make 35 more godly comics to catch up to the profit of a movie that takes 3 years to produce. So now you've earned your 70 million and given someone else 2.5 billion dollars in new ideas.

The time invested to make the money isn't worth the 17 years it makes to catch up. Kill the Mutie scum off for a few years and roll bank. The entire point is what's good in the long run.

Outside of the Deadpool run, all the rest have him hanging out with characters fox doesn't own. No mercy, or infinity, or spiderman runs for him on the big screen and now they can just write him off for those movies

>>86036164
>Deadpool and the Mercs for Money, Spider-Man/Deadpool

Don't those have characters that would be limited to the MCU? I assume that Fox couldn't use Spider-Man or the Mercs.

>>86036218
This is a good point. By paring DP with characters Fox can't use, they limit the stories the movies can take.

>>86036218
So the best idea is shut down everything until FOX has made the adaptations of the last 50 years of muties stories, than wait a few more years, hoping that FOX doesn't make a movie with an original story, until they choose to give the rights back
That's an incredibly bright idea, anon, thank you for having finally make me see the light

Also it's not a problem the fact that there are other characters in Deadpool's stories, they just have to adapt them
>Cyclops/Deadpool
>Cyclops have left the X-Men, unable to deal with the fact they have accepted Deadpool among them also something about Jean, probably
>But Deadpool really looks up to Cyclops as a model figure, but he secretly have to kill the owner of Chuck Enterprises, since he has found out he makes evil experiments in his labs apparently to bring back to life a certain redhead

>>86036317
Same reason why Deadpool only had colossus and negasonic teenage warhead.

>>86036164
Fox has the rights for Deadpool but have you noticed what Marvel's been doing? They've started doing $9.99 issues for it. There's been like two since the All-New All-Different started with a third to come. They know that Deadpool sells really well, better than X-Men, so they're willing to pump out stuff for it.

>>86036348
The latter of which is going to be part of the Mercs for Money
They need her, Domino and a few mutant/Deadpool related characters and they can make the Mercs for Money

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>>86036376
>They've started doing $9.99 issues for it.
Someone needs to be arrested for this.

>>86036345
Reading comprehension anon. Stop feeding fox asap and start making stuff WE can use. You're still extremely short sighted with your responses. The discussion is about killing x-men and moving them to inhumans.

You can self insert points i never mentioned that only feed your narrative all you want but it's still not making your idea any better against what's actually happening.

Marvels actions should only benefit marvel. Continuing to feed fox purely because they already have 50 years worth of food is what sounds retarded

>>86036407
If it was just one issue a year that was 100 pages for $9.99 it's one thing but three in a year is just too much.

For that matter how is Deadpool already going to be at #21 in October, was it getting published twice a month?

>>86036376
The Extraordinary X-Men sells really well too

>>86036407
Those are huge issues, The last one had basically three stories, with Deadpool interacting with other heroes and revealing of being a rape victim

>>86036428
And starving is the better solution?

Marvel is still publishing X-Men, Wolverine and Deadpool books. There are currently 8 books with mutants (or Deadpool) as their front-runner, while being important members of two Avengers books out of three
If they really had wanted to kill all the X-Men or turn them into Inhumans they wouldn't have waited a year to do it, they would have done that immediately during those eight months after Secret Wars

>>86036529
>revealing
it wasn't exactly a mystery. It happened back in Kelly's run

>>86036190
Have you read All New Wolverine, anon?

>>86036557
Yes, I am. Why? They created a bunch of Laura clones, of which one has become her sister/sidekick and let's hope they haven't actually killed her plus a bunch of one-shot chapter and the Civil War II tie-in. Why?

>>86034740
Ms. Marvel, Vision, Amazing Spider-Man, Ultimates, and Moon Knight

>>86036197
Fuck Bendis

>>86036626
Spidey sucks right now, anon

We'll have a good ASM this november

>>86035603
I have yet to see Marvel Star Wars stand up favorably to Dark Horse Star Wars

>>86036626
DP/Spidey is a better spider book than ASM right now

I was replying to >>86036190 and wondering if Anon has read where Laura is now.
>>86036581

Sometimes I wish the Disney buyout and the MCU never happened.

>>86033124
>That was in the 90s when they nearly went bankrupt.
When DC injected them with free cash?

>>86036788
It's not a bad series, in my opinion. Her personality is much better than the one in AN X-Men and is generally a rather fun series to read
Also Gabby is the second cutest character recently created by Marvel

>>86036529
>revealing of being a rape victim
That's not a reveal. He's been a rape victim since Kelly's run. How the fuck have you not read Kelly's run?

>>86036819
you should have bought more comics in the 90s then

>>86035654
>Black Widow & Black Panther are trash
You wouldn't know good comics if it hit you in the face.

>>86036839
Because my country is pretty disorganized as far as publishing comics go and I've only recently started to read older issues
Reading Kelly's run on Deadpool is definitely something I'm going to do since I'm currently in the process of reading basically everything X-Men related from the Claremont era onward

>>86036832
AN Xmen Laura is bipolar as shit. I think with the current Laura I could see it as a level she'd reach after her encounter with Jubilee, Sue Storm and hanging out with Gambit.

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>>86036901
Did she ever inform youngAngel that she worked with Archangel on XForce?

If their main goal is to pander to the left, does that mean they'll eventually start pushing stories that outrage the left?

>>86036940
where do you think Captain Hydra came from?

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>>86034587
>>86034619
>>86034233
>>86034202
>>86034482

>>86033157
It's a combination of Marvel wanting outrage from people by doing stupid shit like replacing next to all of your characters that people identify with marvel, and the mouse being able to bail them out as the movies make so much

So a lack of care with no consequences

>>86035184
This is the problem, you can't rally for something like that to change, and then not participate in it. What makes me more mad is when a good series with a "diverse" lead like Midnighter is cancelled because of lack of floppy support, and the people who want more diverse characters won't actually buy the book, and accuse DC of being homophobic for not supporting a book that isn't selling.

>>86035522
I'm starting to see a pattern where Spider-Gwen ruins jokes by explaining them or by emphasizing them too long, like "I get it lady, it's a joke, haha".

Am I correct on this?

>>86034740
Ultimates, uncanny Inhumans, moon knight, ms marvel, Karnak, vision, carnage, all new Inhumans, new avengers

>>86033324
You can have good legacy characters, but they have to actually earn it, you can't just say "I'm Thor now, and if you dont like it your a mysoginist", for crying out loud their editor-in-chief said that for the people that don't want to read a book with Riri as the lead you can "make with that what you will" effectively saying that if you think Riri is a waste of time as the was solely created to be Tony's replacement, you're a racist and a mysoginist.

Fun times we live in eh?

>>86035583
Anime was never good but you guys really hate anime or japan in general.

>>86032849
YEAH JUST KILL Bendis

I think it's a problem across the entertainment medium. Everything has to be a nod to nostalgia or wink to the audience. There's so much relying on gimmick instead of storytelling. I mean, look at the MCU. After Avengers, people wanted a Loki film. Then Winter Soldier hit, and everyone wants more Bucky. That and Black Widow.
There's never a want to see something new, they just want a seven degrees of Kevin Bacon everything.

>>86037928
>Karnak
I don't know, I didn't really feel anything out of that series, it seemed really edgy
Not that it matters, since will never receive a new chapter

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>>86036029
Oh shit, did Chiba Toshirou do another cover?

>>86036048
Gaiman got the rights back and sold them to Marvel out of spite

>>86038030
people really want black widow? jesus h shes fucking cringe in every scene

>>86038150
Like with many things in the comic industries nowadays, it's rather difficult to understand if something is really wanted by most/many people or it's just a loud minority from tumblr/reddit/4chan that want that thing and won't stop bitching about it

>>86032920
>He doesn't like the current rich and successful Peter

If you're hungup about MJ he literally "LITERALLY" has no power over that

>>86038150
I know a couple of these people and the people that I know who wants a BW film are not really readers. I'm not saying this is all true to those who wants a BW film. Her solos doesn't really have the same tone the MCU films has.

>>86038080
PROMOTIONS

>>86035232
God do you even know how you sound? The problem is you won't accept new diversity from the ones that were there when you were a kid. And if there is an issue with what's going on here you go to pointing out race as the first thing.

>>86035081
Miles is part based on Obama; so this is why they're shipped in the comic.

You have to literally be retarded to think that Marvel is in any kind of trouble. They're owned by Disney and until Rebirth hit they were dominating the charts. They'll probably go back to dominating, or at least having a huge chunk of the charts when Rebirth stops spitting out #0 and #1 issues.

>>86038384
>0.25 $ have been added to your account

>>86038427
If you have to get paid to not be stupid I feel bad for you. It's not my fault you either don't check sales for comic books or are so bad at math that reading numbers means nothing.

>>86038453
>reading numbers means nothing
Sales charts that say Marvel is selling well mean nothing? Nice to know; I always suspected this.

>>86038384
Sure, they're doing fine, but a lot of their titles are severely dropping off. I think Marvel has forgotten how to make coherent stories and just turned to gimmicks and winks to the audiences. Like when Dr. Who started to focus on how wacky it can be instead of telling an actual story.

>>86038150
Only female superhero blah blah blah.

>>86038484
What are you talking about you inbred? I'm here arguing that Marvel was killing it and will go back to killing it when the hype of #1 issues from Rebirth stop coming out.

Guess you can't read words or numbers correctly.

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Because these are the people who have taken over Marvel. The type of people who don't get the concept of storytelling and feel it's all agenda driven

>>86038527
Why do men need strong female role models?

>>86038525
Give this shill another 25 cents. He's earning them.

>>86038540
So they don't become weak losers like you,anon.

>>86038525
I don't know, I think Marvel is gonna hit a bust. Civil War II is met with some pretty poor reception, and even all the tie in books are bombing. And we're already getting hints at more events books. I don't think new Number 1's are going to cut it. Especially since their big new book Champions isn't drawing much interest beyond cheap variant tricks.

>>86038554
But role models are models for a role you're called to play and you model your "performance" on them. When is Tony going to try being a strong woman?

>>86038554
Give this dipshit another dick in his mouth. He can't even come up with one good joke, so he uses the same shitty one twice.

I guess you're not going to come back with any facts to back up your retarded stance. Probably because you don't understand what we are talking about in the first place.

I mean, how does it feel to have nothing better to do with your time then to shitpost on a comic book forum?

>>86038540
When I was a kid, I always wanted to be the T-Rex or monster of the film...

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>>86038585
>being this mad

I want Carol to become the new Director of SHIELD just to piss /co/ off.

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>>86038585
>comic book forum

>>86038558
>and even all the tie in books are bombing.
Which is really a shame, since some of them are really good
>I don't think new Number 1's are going to cut it.
You know that there will not be another relaunch, right? Most of the series will keep their numbering
The exceptions are some team books, Iron-Man and Capitan Marvel plus the actually new series, obviously

>>86038642
SHIELD is going to be disbanded and supplanted by Sunspot's AIM and its USAvengers

>>86038675
>SHIELD is going to be disbanded and supplanted by Sunspot's AIM and its USAvengers
Eh, that should lead to some awesome Heroclix at least.

>>86038675
>some of them are really good
...which ones? Besides Vision, that is.

>>86038629
>implying I need to be mad to call out a retard on being a retard

I want the inhumans heads on a spike.

>>86038692
I'm talking strictly about the mini-series tie-in to Civil War, but The Fallen is awesome and Gods of War is really good
Talking about actual ongoing, just to say a couple, there are Ultimates and Captain Marvel that are doing a really good job at "covering" the shit that is CWII (like making Carol look like something more than uber-fascist or giving sense to various plot holes

Vision doesn't even interact with the other series and isn't a Civil War tie-in

>>86038719
>Anonymous (81) 09/05/16(Mon)16:04
You don't fool me, newfag.

>>86038754
>Gods of War is really good
Ah, OK. The rest are surely shit, though.

>>86035842
Squirrel Girl as played by Lena Dunham

>>86038754
The best books marvel has arent interacting with the CW2 event.

>Vision,Carnage,Moon Knight, Uncanny x-men

>>86036119
They already got Wendig writing for the Star Wars comics, quality is already lowered.

>>86038768
Just a couple words before that part I've written that The Fallen is even better but, to be fair, it's rather difficult and rare to be able to screw up a funeral issue
Regarding the other mini-series that I've read, Spider-Man is fine, and definitely better than the Slott shit, while X-Men looks like it's going to be pretty great in the next issue, with Rachel Grey and Nightcrawler having joined Magneto to attack the Inhumans

>>86038768
A guy who complained about language on 4chan calling someone else a newfag.

Well now I've seen it all.

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>>86038804
>looks like it's going to be pretty great in the next issue

>>86038719
calm like the butterfly, tough guy.

>>86038791
That's a bit inevitable when you can't write your own story and you're forced to follow the plot of another writer
Also many series are really tie-ins with CWII in name only. Saying that there is an inhuman that can see the future and then going on with doing whatever the hell they want, like Deadpool, ANAD Avengers or New Avengers

>>86033445
I still prefer Szasz and Kord as as the question and Beetle respectfully, Mr Terrific is a better example and Jaleel Thunder

>>86038825
Man, your comebacks keep getting lamer and lamer. Even if I were mad this one wouldn't even add to it. Do you have any worth?

>>86033324
>If they weren't such cowards they would create new racially diverse characters that can stand on their own.
This doesn't work, why the fuck do you people think this works?

>>86034740
Ultimates, New Avengers, Vision, Deadpool/Spider-Man, Uncanny Avengers

>>86033209
Source?

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>>86038960
Yes it does fucking work if the character is well written in brought into the universe correctly instead shoehorned in with a big "FUCK THE FANS" label stuck to their foreheads.

The Blue Marvel Storyline is a good example. So was Miles Morales before they fucked him up with shitty writing and crossovers.

>>86034202
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>>86034482
>>86034804


thanks Sigma

>>86040101
First of all Miles has always been shit, the only reason ANYONE care about him was because "black Spider-Man" and it's still the reason anyone cares about him now.

Second of all good writing hardly attracts anyone and bad writing hardly repels anyone, when Civil War II is absolutely annihilating something like Vision in sales it should be clear why they don't try anything really "new", it fucking fails because people would rather read a shitty sequel to a shitty event (or at least the majority Marvel fans do).

>>86035378
>Spotted Someone who hasn't got the Memo
The Ultimateverse is dead dumbass. The Ultimates is a new team in the 'Marvel Prime' 'verse. Get your facts straight before typing on a keyboard to get (You)'s
Yes I know I gave him what he wanted. Won't happen again.

>>86038527
>That pic
Yes, Bog down an already bloated story with a boring funeral scene that would amount to nothing more than an exposition dump for people who haven't seen Agent Carter. Do these people know nothing about storytelling?

>>86040756
Pandering to what them is what they consider good, not good old woman hating writing tropes.

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>>86038885
So the only way to have minorities take over legacies is to replace no name dead characters that are out of the public eye for decades at a time?

>>86032849
Reboot the comics to match movie universe.
This would bring in new fans from the movies.

>>86032849
No. I've been a Marvelfag since 1996. (The year I learned to read.) Currently I'm down to reading 0 Marvel books and only excited for a few DC books, some Image and Eric Powell's whatyacalldem comics. Marvel's comic department has burned all their bridges and drove away all the talent, even their own fucking movie studio wants nothing to do with them beyond taking their old ip-s. It's truly the darkest age of '''''''''''''''''The House of Ideas'''''''''''''', even worse than the extreme 90's

>>86033157
They were going strong in the late 00s early 10s when they had Remender, Hickman, Gillen, and Brubaker. But Marvel is run by fucking idiots and they scared them off to Image

>>86036212
I've been saying it for years; toss everything. Drop literally everything.

Let the existing characters and settings play around in movie and toyland where they're most profitable, but as far as the comics go, we need a hard reset.
New characters, new settings, new sinarios, completely and utterly divorced in every single way from existing properties.

Everyone forgets that comics weren't always about Batman and Spiderman. Comics as a medium were at their most prolific and their most profitable when they were a trial-by-fire test bed for new concepts and ideas, and the only way to make comics as a medium relevant again is to bring them back to that.

Honestly, if there stopped being Spiderman and Deadpool and Wolverine comics, what would we REALLY miss, in the long run?
Is Civil War 3 starring transsexual Moon Knight really worth fighting for? Really?

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>>86040169
He is best boy. ZTD was shit.

>>86033445
I think in general the idea of characters replacing characters is not a bad thing, but it does feel like Marvel's stories come off insincere in the last few years about it.

If it was a male character instead of Jane Foster as the new Thor and was written with the same kind of dismissive tone.... it'd be almost similar to Loeb's Red Hulk. And I think Jane Thor could potentially be better the same way Ross as Hulk could be. They need to do a better job of selling the characters instead of trying too hard to rile up fans. Yes, there will be douchebags making their complaints only about race or gender. But it's not worth lumping every fan who has a complaint in general in the same group.

>>86033291
The Vision and Moonknight aren't even that great. Vision is solid, MoonKnight is ok.

>>86035951
He's right, you know.

>>86034911
>the Civil War tie-ins are all pretty good
>Civil War
>tie-ins
>good

Holy fuck anon. Your life must be pure suffering if you think that shit is good.

>>86042562
I have dropped everything except 2 Star Wars books and one of those is ending soon. On average I used to read ~6-10 Marvel Universe books a month.

I loved Marvel and most of my money went there even 5 years ago. Their decline in quality to this point was almost depressing to go through.

It's not a SJW thing, it's not a DC favoritism thing, it's not a contrarian thing.

Simply put, Marvel is just producing garbage titles right now.

I hope that someone gets their head out of their ass at Marvel and they start bringing in top writing talent again and can fix it.

>>86032849

Marvel is dead. It died at the end of Secret Wars

>>86043803
The Accused, The Fallen, and the Kingpin mini are all good stories. TheMain event is bad, but those aren't.

>>86032849
Probably, I haven't read any of their stuff from the past 5 years so I don't know. But everyone talking about it has had very little good to say.

>>86035603

But even New 52 worst was objectively Crime and Punishment compared to ANAD

>>86035744
hellcat is worse

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