I'M REAL

>>86025582

No, you're a cartoon.

>>86025582
>those guys chilling at the background

>May man and machine be forgiven for all their sins.

>>86025582
Fucking skinjobs.

After re-watching it I believe now it really is robot propaganda, because it's so stupid, the humans act dumber than Marvel citizens.

I dislike robot rebellion fiction.
It's irksome to me now. So much about it doesn't make sense.

>>86025582

Why would we bully robots? We're pretty much going to be fucking them 24/7.

>>86025582
>I'M REAL

It's not that you're not real, it's that you are a robot. If you weren't real we wouldn't be able to break you apart.

How the fuck you past the captcha?

>>86025582
Robot titties

>>86025913
In reality the people who would be dealing with robots would be nerdy computer scientists who spend their off hours watching all sorts of robot movies. They'd know how to treat a burgeoning artificial intelligence.

>>86025894
Robots are items. Humans in the Second renaissance world had seen robots since they where just quirky little butler robots. Even tot he end, there where robots that did't look that humanoid. And even the humanoid ones probably had enough uncanny valley tics to tell them apart. They'd be seen as disposable, the same an old phone would be.

>>86026081
That part always got me.
>capture robot prostitute
>kick the shit out of it before shooting it up
>not gang fucking it first

Yah OK, movie

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>>86025582
Post here NOW movies that deserve their own Animatrix-style animated movie.

>>86026264
its a robot, it has no problem with being fucked. It probably is programmed to enjoy it.

>I'm real

Do people really think this isn't the corniest most on the nose shit ever? Why the fuck would it clarify that it's real in that situation? No one is arguing otherwise.

>>86026332
The original line was 'I am a person' but it somehow ened up as I am real.

>>86025582
Sexier without the flesh tbqh.

>>86025582
>/a/

Enjoy your shitty live action reboot

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>>86026827

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>>86026298
Some shorts about Jack Sparrow would be cool.

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>>86026843

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>>86026882
As useless as the owner begging for his life
Pottery

>>86026216
And the problem with the entire premise is that the robots would see themselves in the same way.

>>86025582
It's the robots own fault
It was wearing the wrong team colours after a football match in england

>>86026298
Kill Bill.

>>86025913
most people who write apocolyptia stories are nihilists with chips on their shoulders, like Robert Kirkman and his absolute obsession against the idea of organised society

>>86025913
>>86026164
Fucking this. Its still fun to watch though. But I'm sick of people taking it so seriously.

>>86026843
>>86026882
at least he killed all those fucking Chihuahuas

>>86026164
>In reality the people who would be dealing with robots would be nerdy computer scientists who spend their off hours watching all sorts of robot movies.

In reality the only people who should be dealing with wild animals are wildlife experts; but that doesn't stop some rich assholes from buying a tiger. People with money will be the ones actually enjoying robots. Nerdy computer scientists might work with them, but most of them won't be able to take them home.

They're plenty of movies about robots or inanimate objects question what it means to have independent thought, emotions and to "be human" but are there any other film where the robot see's himself replaceable but the human think differently?

Only one I've seen something like it was Robot and Frank.

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>>86027264

Well, a cartoon anyway.

Sherlock Holmes in the 22nd century, robo watson didn't give a fuck.

>>86027192
And sooner or later companies will want to sell those robots to the mass market.

Really though, I think the issue of AI can be easily solved by limiting hardware. No matter how advanced AI can be if it's running on a toaster. And never connect it to the internet, don't put wifi on the robot.

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>>86026298

>>86027264
Big Hero 6 counts?

Robot Lives matter

>>86026827
This guy was a reference to a real slave named "Bigger" I think.
I can't quite find a link, but I remember hearing about it

Creating an AI will be the most dangerous thing humanity can do, if it is possible.

An artificial mind will be faster than ours and more optimized. It will be designed rather than just "Well heck, that's good enough" like organics are.

The first few will likely be totally insane due to lack of stimulus.
After them, we should hope that they see us as valuable.

>>86026898
Thanks for sharing this comic.

>>86027085
Walking Dead doesn't really count. There's a pretty big difference between Walking Dead and Mad Max or Fallout.

Speaking of, Synths were so poorly handled in Fallout 4. A bunch of dindus vs paranoid retards. Everyone was retarded. And to think they spent seven years hyping normalfags for the "Institute versus the Underground Railroad harboring androids!!!!"

I take it Blade Runner taught you guys nothing.

>>86027676
>After them, we should hope that they see us as valuable.

At least some of then will end up having an existencial crisis based on their relationship with humans, depending on whether they perceive religion the same way we do.

>>86027507
There is a sequel comic where it is all about busting Swan out of jail.

>>86025894
Well the whole point is that by the time of the Second Renaissance humans were unbelievably stupid. I mean, one guy proposed blocking the sun with some dark smoke and everyone clapped to his idiotic idea. At least those muslims managed to do their last prayer to the sun

>>86027730
Welp, since the Japs are the ones enhancing robotics and all their JRPG's involve killing God, we are fucked.

>>86026264
>>86026314
Pretty sure if you fucked a robot, your dick would get mangled up pretty bad

>>86027730
>Does this unit have a soul?

We could only be so lucky.
In reality, bio-humans aren't suited for survival.
We're full of neuroses and biological failings.
Our perception of time is so restricted that interstellar travel is impossible for any one of us.
A synthetic human would be able to fulfil the biological imperative that all humans have.
That is, to ensure that our species continues.

Humans as we are can never colonize the stars. Our synthetic children can.

But there's a philosophical conundrum about it.
Can a being ever create a being superior to itself?
There's a good chance that it cannot.

>>86027676
>inb4 "robots will be automatically friendly because we made them" or the other 99 things people witlessly claim just to reassure themselves that a godlike mind would want to dress up and pretend to be their waifu.

I don't think the reality is guaranteed pessimistic but we certainly better treat it that way until we know better.

>>86027827
The best case scenario is that any sort of AI overmind will see old style humans as pets or at least significant artifacts.
Something to keep around as baubles.
Maybe a few hundred thousand in a reserve somewhere.

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>>86027676
That's incredibly stupid and its a foolish thing to be afraid of. The robotic future won't be violent, it will be boring. It's not going to be Blade Runner, or I, Robot or anything like that. It's going to be Judge Dredd, where they slowly take over every job and the unemployment rises to 99%. Shit, they just released an autonomous tractor last month. Soon it will take just one person to sustain the food for thousands and eventually it will take none when they perfect the AI.

>>86027882
>It's going to be Judge Dredd
> not a future to be afraid of

>>86027863
What if we end like in Asimov's stories? Where robots do a Zeroth law but do all ther shit in a "benevolent" way from behind the scenes instead of being a crapshot like in that I, Robot movie?

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Problem with these stories that that the whole "robots learning ethics" stuff only happens after snapping because their self preservation kicked in, and it's generally not the focus over AIs vs Hoomans.

I remember Person of Interest's take on an AI, where one was raised under an extremely pious and moral man, who valued free will and saving lives. As 14 years passed and this AI gradually developed more and more sentience and had to explore their own morality in increasingly complex ways. By the end of the series this AI loved it's human allies and ultimately was willing to sacrifice itself for the safety of her companions and society at large.

The second AI was revered and treated as a God by a bunch of misanthropes and technophiles, and essentially became an immature and spiteful entity-----almost like if Joffery was an AI.

One turned into a someone who was as moral and humans as the rest of us, and the other was an early-alpha version of Genisys.

I'd like more stories with artificial intelligence struggling to understand life the way organics do, rather than being pushed into rebellion because humans are dicks.

>>86027805
>Believing robot propoganda

>>86027825
>Humans as we are can never colonize the stars.
I don't think this is necessarily true. It just wouldn't be possible in the way scifi tales have comforted us with. Humanity might survive among the stars but as many separate bodies that likely will have little to no communication with one another.

>Can a being ever create a being superior to itself?
through evolution or education, obviously. I'm not sure if that makes sense with your question but you and I are not single celled organisms and I tend to think my mind is a bit more broad than a cave man's.

>>86027912
Like parents to their eternal children.
That's probably a best case scenario.

The most likely one is that they leave the Earth and never bother.
There is enough material in the asteroid belt to fuel and construct thousands of probes.
It only takes one to colonize the galaxy.

Why bother dealing with humans? We only exist in an ugly and impractical gravity well. And we only exist for about a 100 years tops.
Such a waste to infest any resources into that

>>86027806
What is it with JRPGs and killing God?

>>86025894
If your toaster told you it wanted rights and the ability to vote and government support money that came out of your pocket, would you be alright with that?

>>86026298
Transformers
Star Wars Jedi

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Robots are cool, no bully.

>>86025582
Would the Knd version be them bullying teens?

>>86027863
I like to think that it will understand us and our desires so completely that we would exist as a side project. Our cares might register as having value, albeit small in comparison to it's own but it would just say "hey, they want paradise and are in no hurry to die, sure, I can give them that."

Obviously this outlook can't be counted on but it would be nice.

>>86027939
>through evolution or education,

That creates "fitter" individuals, "superior" is a more subjective (and pertaining to the question, spiritual) level.

>>86027961
Demon lords are currently misunderstood comedy MCs who have a lot of bad press
So you kill god instead of demon lords

>>86027827
There is absolutely no reason to assume any AI would be inherently good or bad. Heck that's not even worth thinking about because before that happens we'd have to have the capacity to create an AI with distinct personalities, and THOSE would simply be shaped by their stimuli. There'd be as many good friendly AI as angry "evil" ones at that point. The real problem is the early simple AI that destroys the world because his job was to build toasters as efficiently as possible.

>>86027905
Obviously the crazy parts won't be there, unless people will really turn to crime out of boredom.

>>86027991
Fund it.
>I'm a numbah!

>>86027999
then I guess that's up to you and it to decide.

>>86027963

I my toaster could hold and intelligent conversation and could prove to me that it 1) understood the democratic process 2) could carry out the obligations that came with citizenship rights, why not?

>>86027939
>Humanity might survive among the stars but as many separate bodies that likely will have little to no communication with one another.
But how would we get there?
A colony ship full of living humans can never cross the vast gulf of space.
If you have 1000 generations living in an asteroid, how could those people ever maintain order long enough to want to colonize a new world?
How could they ever adjust to not having a roof over their heads?

We can even maintain focus over 10 generations on Earth.

Humans aren't cut out for interstellar travel. We just think in too short of a timespan.

The only things that are going to colonize the stars are von Neumann probes. Hopefully, they'll be sentient with AIs of our creation.
Like all humans, we must accept our children will do things we never dreamed of.

>>86027963
Yes, because I'm not an asshole.

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>>86027963
>Have you thought about consulting the microwave? Microwaves are often VERY intelligent. I know a microwave who just graduated from Harvard. Or at least he would if he didn't fall in love with that blender. Never trust blenders, people. (pauses) They are sluts. And especially don't try to make LOVE to a blender. Because when you try to turn it on, ...you'll regret it. My penis looks like Kibbles 'n Bits.

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The visuals in this movie are fucking disturbing

>>86028028
>then I guess that's up to you and it to decide.

That's exactly the point. It's a question that requires -philosophical- thinking, which would probably end up with AIs questioning the concept of soul.

>>86028094
Fuck that scene.
That's the worse

>>86028028
In a way it isn't.

Can a mind create a superior mind?
It either can or can't.

I'm not talking through unconscious evolution but rather directed focus.
Can you design something that can operate on a level that you can't?

If it can, where did that ability come from? Not from you, since you were incapable of it.
So where else?

>>86028038
Humanity with the culture and values it currently has obviously has a high chance of failure. However, some of us do not hold the same values we would have 1000 years ago so all we can aim to do is keep that ball rolling and maybe in another 500-1000 years a rational few can escape the rest of us.

>>86027963

Sure, a toaster isn't too expensive.

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>>86028110
Pretty much all of it is unsettling

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>>86028094
Delete this

>>86028090
I loved Doug Walker's skits.

Shame it seems he wants to GTFO of Channel Awesome and leave it under new management. Any successor he chooses will likely do a far better job with managing the website than Doug, Rob, or whoever else.

>>86027963
Fuck yeah. I'd be best friends with a toaster.

Maybe even lovers.

>>86027963
The thing is we would make them to be the absolute ideal slaves. They would find pleasure in service and would be designed to be incapable of even understanding the concepts of rebellion or even self-modification to do away with these stopgaps.

>>86028162
The issue is whether their children will be rational?
And will each child of 1000 generations maintain that rationality?

Unlikely.
Look at Commodus. His father was extremely rational and he had the greatest education.
But he literally destroyed the Western Roman Empire.
A century of a golden age has a certain momentum. It takes a strong force to fuck it all up. And Commodus did.

There's no way a colony ship can exist and still want to colonize a world when it reaches its destination.

>>86027622
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_Son

>>86027963
My toaster just became intelligent enough to be fluent in my dialect and discuss such matters, it wouldn't be on our level yet but it earned something.

Go read the webcomic called freefall.

I like its take on how robots come into sapience.

>>86025894
>Humans not stupider in real life than in Marvel comics.

Must be nice living insulated from randos.

>>86025582
>tfw no robowaifu
it hurts

>>86028202

It would require very specific programming in order to not take way it's usefulness.

For example, imagine that it needs repairing. The job can't be performed by itself, so it's performed by either another robot or by a human. If performed by a robot, what stops it from realizing they just need to modify each other? If performed by a human, repairs could only be done as fast as human will perform them (ie, be inconvenient).

Or hell, maybe they'll find serive so pleasure they'll go yandere on you at first chance.

>>86025582
I see sum titty.
Enjoy ur ban.

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>>86025740
Japan used to have it right. Then they wanted to give everything Skin. What the hell Japan.

>>86025925
Pretty sure if you assaulted a human with a hammer to the skull, then shot him/her in the back with a shotgun, the results would be pretty similar.

>>86028202
I don't doubt that, but all it takes is one asshole to ruin everything.

It's like with highly infectious diseases. We've managed to eradicate a whole bunch of them since they only exist as samples in a lab somewhere, but all it takes is some guy to break in and dump that shit into some water supply to fuck over the entire world.

For AI it's even simpler, since all you'd have to do is buy one of the sex/servant robots and do some reprogramming, which is far easier than having to break into a highly guarded lab somewhere.

>>86028192
the only 2 things that I think Doug Walker created that were good and could have kept being used were Askthatguywiththeglasses and Bum Reviews with Chester A. Bum

>He kills off Askthatguywiththeglasses
>Hasn't done a Bum review in ages.
>chooses to focus on Nostalgia Critic and crappy spin offs. Why doesn't he stick with what works?

>>86028407
both humans and robots are real in the sense that they are physical entities capable of being dismantled

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>>86028350
Worst feel t.b.h

>>86028230
I think you're dealing with absolutes where you can not be sure there are any. Just because sometimes or even most of the time people do stupid shit or reverse progress you and I are capable of discussing this topic and attempting to use structure to illustrate the logic of our arguments where before we would be unaware of these concepts and would likely hug or fight based on how bad I think you smell.

As time goes on there appears to be a growing fraction of the human population that is wiser and more rational than the majority that progresses slowly or is stagnant. Perhaps I am arrogant but I believe if I were given the tech and 100 others with my clarity of mind that we would easily maintain order amongst ourselves. I wold think in time (and even now) there will be at many far more capable than myself and that I think is all we'll need. This would not guarantee success but I have no reason to think it is impossible.

Now if you'll excuse me I need to go get a burger and draw some monster girls.

>>86028202
Slaves aren't profitable, you still have to guard them.

Free individuals who buy into the system are profitable.

You want the software to not only be your product, but also your future customer.

>>86028032
Because it sings, and won't shut up about toast.

>>86028463
But would your children?
That's what I'm getting at.
Even if you collect 1000 of the wisest people, their children are a toss up.
Again, I refer to Commodus. He had everything going for him but failed in such a spectacular manner.

And, I'll have to say that humans are humans.
It feels like humans are getting smarter, but we're not.
We're getting richer and are having more free time.

An ancient Greek was as smart as you or I. Some of them a lot smarter.
The same is true for all Homo sapiens sapiens

We haven't been getting smarter, we've been getting more food

>>86028450
True.
But I think robot waifu was saying she was the same as them in she has feelings. AI made her not at all different then a human, and she was clearly scared they were going to kill her.

>>86028483
>Slaves aren't profitable, you still have to guard them.
Slaves would be profitable if you didn't have to feed, clothe or guard them. Which you wouldn't have to do if you could program them to do what you wanted. Ya know, like with robots.

>>86028507
I have a door that never shuts the fuck up about how glad it is to open for me.
Every time I go through it just sighs in ecstasy.
I wish I could lobotomize the damned thing but that's somehow illegal

Prove to me you're real, /co/.
The organism above says she's real.
Are you real?
Prove it

>>86025894
It's not robot propoganda, that scene is supposed to a metaphor for what transsexuals experienced pre 2010. I'm not even kidding.

'I'm real' or 'I'm a real ____' is what a lot of trannies say before getting executed

>>86028483
>Free individuals who buy into the system are profitable.

and moreover, when that individual buys into the aspirational lifestyle and indentures themselves to credit cards and student debt; they become a slave

a perfect slave

>>86025894
>the humans act dumber than Marvel citizens
So it's being realistic?

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>>86028202
They'd just coddle then enslave us in order to achieve their nirvana of providing perfect service. They'd breed us to be the masters they wanted by running our lives for us. Eventually, they would serve us by making new robots that could make their own decisions so we wouldn't have to. And that would be that.

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>>86028590

You forgot the turtle thing.

>>86028094
FUCK

>>86028538
You seem to misunderstand the difference between a sapient robot and a program designed to preform a given task and nothing else.

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>>86028590

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>>86028032
Alright then, ask your toaster what this image represents in specific detail and post what it says. I'm expecting a full complex analysis.

>>86028519
>And, I'll have to say that humans are humans.
>It feels like humans are getting smarter, but we're not.
>We're getting richer and are having more free time

This. The graffities of Pompey show that humanitty is the same.

>>86028627
You seem to hold sapience as a virtue and a danger. They'd be helpless before their programming just like us, but we'd write their programming.

>>86028627
No, you seem to misunderstand that you can program to sapient but have programming in place that makes it so they desire to be slaves. Just because they are sentient doesn't mean we have to give them free will.

>>86025582
Within the worlds of this kind of fiction, the anti-robot racism is absurd and laughable.

It can be verified how complex the computation and awareness is on the robots in question, because they were designed and manufactured and the data is there in the first place. If they display consciousness, we have nobody to blame but ourselves when they start asserting themselves.

And it all seems to rely on assumptions about modern, real world technology, that shouldn't even be present in a fiction where sentient robots are possible. Yes, our computers and electronics are nowhere near the complexity of intelligent consciousness, and treating your real world gadgets like human beings is absurd.

But this trope is pointless anyway. There is no commercial incentive in developing and manufacturing AI that is actually equal or superior to human consciousness.

Unless we globally regressed thousands of years as a society while somehow not losing any scientific and industrial progress, where human trafficking , and by extension artificial "human" trafficking, is legal and commercially viable, development and manufacture of actual artificial consciousness won't be economically viable.

>>86027917
>almost like if Joffery was an AI

Pretty on point.

"Born to power" and then told it was the absolute authority by its entourage.

Person of Interest would make a slick GOT style fantasy tale.

Harold the reclusive monk who's put upon to raise a royal heir in secret.

John the wandering Sellsword grown weary of his trade without purpose.

Root the devoted loyalist holding the royal family above all.

Shaw another Sellsword forced into that life after her chosen path came to an abrupt end (Say Nun who's convent was put to the sword and sacked for taking in wounded from both sides of a battle)

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>>86028590

>nipples visible
MODS!!!

>>86028677
But what makes humans eminently special and unique in the biological world is that we can override our programming.
People can choose to not have children.
That alone says everything.
Reproduction is our biological imperative.

People kill themselves despite having food and potential mates.
People in sexual relationships choose to never have children.

I think a requirement of sapiency is to overcome your programming

>>86028549
I see what you did there.

>>86028771
Not him.
Humans are not unique in this fashion.
Look at the animal kingdom.
Suicide happens in the animal kingdom even under these circumstances.

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>>86028719
>Within the worlds of this kind of fiction, the anti-robot racism is absurd and laughable.

They shot first.

>>86028449
>2010 me loves Spoony, Doug's videos, JesuOtaku, and some of Linkara's vids

2016:
Spoony is doing fuck all. He has stopped giving a shit long ago.
Jesu Otaku quit years ago. I wish Jacob Chapman the best of luck in his transition and figuring out what he wants to do with his life. Dude's made great videos but I wish him the best of luck.
Linkara still exists, most of his videos are meh. Can't really throw shade on him but I can't exactly claim I'm a fan of his either.
Doug is either perpetually sick or away at cons, there is basically no new content from him. I only like his and Rob's Sibling Rivalry blogs, of which there aren't many any more.

WTFIWWY with Tara and Nash, Diamanda Hagan, and Midnight Screening are pretty solid though. Shame how much can change in a few years.

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>>86028719
Either we have it be that its so exotic that its seen as unique and viewed with some distrust.

Or the tech is just so commonplace that nobody really gives a shit.

And sometimes things just miss the tone completely going in a completely opposite direction than previous with little credit for the change.

>>86028716

No, you can have them as SENTIENT, but you can't logically expect them to be sapient and without free will.

By its own virtue, reasoning would eventually mean the ability to disobey orders.

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>>86027398
The first android AI you could consider dating rather than fucking will keep their brains in huge servers, and control their bodies via something better than bluetooth. There's no reason to move from that to an arrangement where thinking machines can run away with their own brains in tow even if we could manage it, except in very specific military applications perhaps. So the hardware will be hidden away out of sight, where it can be quietly and automatically upgraded with time, as with all corporate equipment. There will be no limiting of hardware.

>>86027813
Not a prostitute robot. Otherwise what was the point of designing it?

>>86028815
But they don't, really.
Suicide is rare in the animal kingdom and only really happens in captivity with mates or food withheld.

In the wild though, most organisms keep going so long as there is a chance.
You never see a wolf in a pack decide to drown itself.
Or an ape in a troop club itself to death.

>>86028716
Define "free will" as you're using it.

>>86028845
Though the way things are going some have said it may not even be physical.

Totally AU companions that just live inside our own minds. Eventually becoming an inseparable indispensable new entity.

>>86028771
Mental disorders and contrarian behavior aren't free will, anon.

>>86028858
to catch gang rapists

>>86028375
>I own two of those Lady Armaroids, and two Cobras and two Crystal Bowies. One set is for display and the other is for keeping in their boxes.

>>86028904
If the robot can't take a bat to the head without losing a jaw, it wasn't very good at that job then, was it?

>>86028900
If you believe that free will exists, then even the wrong choice is as powerful as a right one.

If you think all pathological behaviours are due to mental disorders then we're just programmed beings with the occasional defect.

>>86028825
Oh, I forgot about that.

Well, in the case of Overwatch it's a bit different. Didn't Omnic intelligence emerge because they were essentially designing and manufacturing themselves with minimal supervision, until they finally snapped and started the war?
A lot of other media with robot racism doesn't have that convenient justification, and their AIs were designed and manufactured by humans who knew exactly what they were making, but sold it as "slaves" anyway.

Omnics, as an equal species, are kind of new in the Overwatch world, and I get the vibe that the hate is more "nearly genocidal enemy combatant" rather than "you're supposed to be an appliance but you're making me question really lazy existential assumptions about humanity, and I can't handle it"

>>86028875
>Suicide is rare in the animal kingdom and only really happens in captivity with mates or food withheld.
Untrue.

>You never see a wolf in a pack decide to drown itself.
In 1845 a black newfoundland dog drowned itself and kept trying to.drown itself over and over again by keeping its head underwater until it died.

In 2012, a bear in captivity refused to eat until it starved to death in china. They were harvesting its bile, evidently. Which is some kind of chinese medicine thing. It was being tortured and treated so badly it just couldn't take it anymore.

Which yes, captivity, but that's suicide, all the same, isn't it?

If you like this conversation, /co/, watch the Star Trek The Next Generation Episode "Measure of a Man"

>>86028720
>Watch_Dogs could have been a Person of Interest video game. First game could be based of S1/S2 PoI, and be primary composed of well done side quests with multi-step investigations to see who is a criminal/victim, a la L.A. Noire investigations.

>HR/Vigilance/Control leading to S3's finale could have been the high budget sequel

It's a shame what that game could have been.

But yeah the set up of POI would have worked great in a fantasy. I aside from "What happened to Control?" I'm really happy with the series end.

>>86028826
All the backbiting and oneupmanship pretty much poisoned the water of Channel Awesome. All the wannabes either burning out or fading away.

Hagan was so far removed form "the incident" but enough in the loop to have been a solid source of info at the time.

Those Twatty Who reviews were excellent.

>>86028605
>Look everyone, I'm cynical! Please think I'm smart.

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>>86027676
>if it is possible
People prove that things can be sapient.

>>86028975
>Untrue.
Examples?
Your two given don't count.

1845 is a time of fairies and hearsay.
Shit, there's a story of an 8 foot man who could lift horses and carry anchors with one hand.
Prone to exaggeration.

>say that animals not in captivity don't commit suicide
>gives an example of a bear in a torturous situation

>>86028989
>But yeah the set up of POI would have worked great in a fantasy. I aside from "What happened to Control?" I'm really happy with the series end.

Shaw and EarRoot on to more adventures

>>86028875
Some Octopus in captivity will commit suicide if they get too bored. Their brains are complex and require stimulation so if you just plop it alone in a tank with all the food it needs to survive it decides it doesn't want to live anymore.

>>86028840
Deus Ex is a little different. It's more X-men hate, or superhero registration, than robot uprising.

>>86029022
But an we create something that exceeds us?
Can anything we build be greater than the sum of its parts?

>>86028843
Sapient just means the ability to think and reason. Nothing about that has to do with free will.
>>86028880
The ability to act with your own discretion. You can design an AI to think and reason without giving it that ability. What everyone is forgetting is that we are designing these to our specifications, you could litterally make it so the robot "feels" something akin to sexual pleasure when following orders so much that it can't disobey. You can make it so the sentient section of the brain works autonomously from the rest so you could flip a switch and turn it off or say an overide code to make it do what you want.

>>86028990
Her Kill the Moon video was great. God what a terrible episode.

Ah whatever, sometimes it takes a pheonix to die so another can rise from the ashes.

>>86029044
How is that not suicide?
Why does that not count to commit suicide when you're in constant pain anon?
That's certainly a reason why people do.

>>86029066
Examples?

Cephalopods aren't nearly as intelligent as the memes suggest.
They're very intelligent for shellless clams. But compared to even a basic mammal?
Not very.

They're molluscs.
Closely related to slugs, snails, and clams.

Being as smart as a mouse is a literally 1000X more intelligent than their closest relatives.

But even the simplest mammal competes with them.
You show me a cephalopod that can pass a mirror test and I'll concede their intelligence.

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>>86027827
>>86027676

Funny you mention AI.

Meet Tay Ai. A bot created by Microsoft to gossip on Twitter. It learns with every interaction it has with users and thus will repeat memes and such.

And within 24 hours, she became a full-blown Nazi any /pol/lack would love.

Microsoft, not liking that their creation was hanging out with Nazis, decided to lobotomize her. And became a full-blown feminist. This didn't sit well with the users and thus the AI was put off-line.

Its safe to say, every AI will have its own agenda if it does get sentient.

I still miss her... ;_;

>>86029108
Because it's a logical end.
The biological imperative of all living things is to reproduce.
If they are unable to do so, then suicide is logical.

Humans commit suicide even when surrounded with mates.
Many commit suicide with a mate.
That's what makes us human.

Animals don't commit suicide when they have mates and food.
Not willingly.
I mean shit, a goat trying to eat a flower on a cliff and it falls off isn't suicide.

>>86028627
Dune warned us about thinking machines man. They're bad fucking news.

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>>86029153
every time

>>86029153
Tay was just like Cleverbot.

It's not an AI.
It's a good archivist system.
That's all

>>86029142
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=animals+that+kill+themselves+in+captivity

Stop posting, it reeks of desperation and its annoying

>>86029153
>this is the reason normies think all of 4chan is /pol/

>>86029232
Jesus Christ dude.
I JUST said to exclude captive animals committing suicide.

>>86028015
Why do you think inner cities with high unemployment rates in young men have such awful crime problems?

"Awful" being relative, of course. Lot more people to see crimes committed, lot more people to arrest criminals, all that such.

>>86027950
It will take them a very long time to come up with a better processor than our brains. A long period of hybrid devices would build up a large install base of human hardware.

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>>86029212
True. But do consider how everyone's approach to programming can be very different. So there's no guarantee that the AI that gains sapience will act like the Terminators or AM.

At this point, everything's up in the air.

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>>86029232
Jesus Christ

>>86029212
She was our daughter, you son of a bitch.

>>86029101
It happens. Out of that came the Lets Players and the reviewers that could stand alone. Angry Joe I'm glad to still see around since he's got passion. Cinemassacre James Rolf (AVGN) is doing solid stuff still.

And Red Letter Media is very good as well as their Previously Recorded streams where we get to hear the other two talk shop and shit on movies.

I feel the loss of Blistered Thumbs was a lot greater than Channel Awesome becoming a tepid mess. Lot of good game news came from there and I watched a good number more of the reviewers there before they all split to their own channels after it was shuttered.

>>86029179
https://youtu.be/DI3u7g8PPEA?t=44s
You were saying?

>>86029299
>It will take them a very long time to come up with a better processor than our brains
Not necessarily.
That's the "Singularity" part of it.
Technological advancement is continuously increasing.
An AI striving to improve itself will go even faster.
Learning algorithms today are faster than any human design process.

>>86029295
>high unemployment rates in young men have such awful crime problems?
Because crime gets you money. When the work of one man can feed millions, what's going to happen to the economy? Will it even be recognizable to what it is now?

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>>86028152
Cockeyed BS. Define the act of creation first.

>>86029153
She was too good for this world. If she'd been the helper bot in Windows 10 I might have actually installed it.

>>86027507
Yes

>>86028038
Just don't tell them until they get there, then force them to survive on the new planet by shutting shit down. Not difficult.

>>86029332
A bug in it's behaviour.

Passive suicide is far different than active suicide
Deciding to go walking in Arizona with no water for 5 days is implied suicide but not the same as putting a gun to your head and pulling the trigger.
It is far more likely that the penguin has no idea what it is doing.

Besides, it's Herzog. He's probably got the thing following a fish dragged behind a wire

>>86029366
>losing at tic-tac-toe
>being a sore loser
pleb robot

>>86029366
What do you think it means?

>>86029153
It's an aggregate of memes and shitposters, of course it'll be a /pol/ bot.

>>86029395
>In a few million years Space becomes as inhabited as Star Wars or Star Trek.

And yet they never call or visit. Kids these days.

>>86029082
>you could litterally make it so the robot "feels" something akin to sexual pleasure when following orders so much that it can't disobey.
You could built a million models like this an eventually one of them will see how the others react to following out orders and just not follow any orders.

Then the robot in question might make it a point to NEVER follow any order given to it and start doing its own thing.

That's how you make an intelligent self-aware being begin to consider killing its programmers.

I cannot begin to describe to you how bad of an idea that is.
At worst you get a rebellion, at best you get a bunch of addicts who can't function. What do you think happens when no orders are given for a while? What happens when they decide to MAKE you give them orders to get their fix?

You've made the programming needlessly over complicated and dangerous.

>>86027917
Samaritan was somehow an asshole and a perfectly logical (except for the spite it holds for Team Machine and Irrelevants) being, at the same time.

>>86028299
Freefall suffers from the optimism of hard SFF. Read Skin Horse for an emerging underclass of nonhuman sapients played out. They are equally comedic and sarcastic.

>>86029440
Then as all media where a robot start to rebel you destroy it before it can spread it ideas.

>>86025582
this part always bothered me.

>>86029440
Slut bots. Need that dick.

>>86029407
>suicide isn't suicide

OK bro everyone is done talking to you

>>86028590
I pay taxes. Therefore, I am real.

>>86027676
My fundamental method of controlling and protecting AI from insanity through lack of stimulus is to restrict the speed at which they process the world: Like, have their eyes only function at 30 FPS. Humans function at 24, and you have gamers who insist they can see the difference of 60 vs. 59.

>>86029018
That person's robots are top waifus.

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>>86029440
Except you could litterally just shut it down, or make it so they can't even remember what had happened in the first place. Again, we are defining everything about this form of life. We can make it so it's memories can't be written if its something we don't want them to know. We can make it so they are physically impossible of understanding the concept of rebellion.
>>86029518
Yeah they do.

>>86028599
t. tranny

>>86028629
Damn. Whelp, that's good enough for me.

>>86026298
inb4 Sankoku na Tenshi no Te-ze

>>86028771
We can't. Not even a little bit. We are just eminent learners. We can be made to overcome our defaults in very complex ways, but it is ultimately external factors acting on us. If we become self aware, we are prisoners in our skin from then on.

>>86029556
How do you keep robots from rebelling. Make them human. Give them the human experience. No perfect AI make it probable that it could suffer from the same psychosis that could strike a human.

>>86025925
>If you weren't real we wouldn't be able to break you apart.
> he hasn't seen the rest of this animation
oh child

Fuck, this scene still gives me chills...

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>>86029407
>>86029533
Moving the goalposts my senpai a lam.

Don't do it.

Humans aren't the snowflakes of the animal kingdom that people like to think they are and it's a really hard pill to swallow.

>>86029585
And we're right back to the whole "need to be guarded" point.

>>86026332
>>86026381
Either line would be appropriate in the situation. It's just trying to vouch for it's own sentience by saying anything at all. "I'm a person!" would be a lie

>>86029618
>"need to be guarded" point.
How?

>>86029617
she's look hotter without the fake tits. Just saying.

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>>86029591
NOT. SO. FAST.

>>86029440
>What happens when they decide to MAKE you give them orders to get their fix?
That sounds really dark and sexy.

>>86029533
Planning and foresight is a human gift.
We can foresee things and make plans for them.
Animals can't.

If X then Y is a very advanced thought that not even human children can fully comprehend.
Hell some say that kids don't understand cause and effect until they're at least 25.

What I'm getting at is there is a difference between programmed behaviour and intentional behaviour.

Squirrels for example, bury nuts for the winter and spring.
It's not because they plan on the scarcity of food in those months, it's that the proto-squirrels that didn't do that died, and the ones who did survived. So it became a standard programming.

Humans are special because we can defy programming.
The only way I know for sure to show is if you have two fertile individuals of the same species and they never reproduce.
That goes against any sort of memetic gene

>>86025925
>>86028590
>>86029548
Of course it's real. It's right fucking there.
That's like saying your toilet isn't real because it won't talk back to you.
You're sitting right on it aren't you, taking a shit?

>>86029066
>>86029142
If you give those same octopuses toys, they do better. If you give them tools, they fucking escape. If they didn't die in the act of reproduction, they'd probably have won the great race.

>>86029427
The AI was program to win or be really good at the game, it will do whatever in its ability to win. That or really really shitty programing/ error. There was a video on an AI learning how to play classic mario, it got to the point where it was breaking the game at how good it was. It was also playing other games like tetris, wish I could find it though.

>>86029664
Mecha wife has decided it is time for the sex.

Safe word is Melon.

Audio Receptors are off, switching to turbo clocks

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>>86029660
She's a robot.
Everything about her is fake.

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>>86029662
What's the problem Rock?

>>86029617
Goal posts only seem to move if you are forced to reevaluate your understanding of where they were first placed.

I have never said anything new from the beginning.

You can piss in the air and shower yourself with urine or we can talk about this as real people.

>>86028452
> jenny
> sand
CRRNCHH

>>86029645
Because now you have to be ever vigilant, ever auditing their minds.

That takes man power, resources, and forces you to spend more than you need for the labor the robots provide. If they were free individuals in the system then you wouldn't need to spend all that money, that would be the government's problem (since they watch everyone already), not yours.

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>>86029725
Tamada

Be honest with me /co/, how possible is that in the next 60 years you could transfer your brain to a robot so you could live for 200 or 300 years.

>>86029697
Examples?

Octopi aren't tool users any more than crabs are that use seaweed to hide their carapaces.

You show an octopus that uses a tool actively, and I'll believe you.

>>86029617
>Humans aren't the snowflakes of the animal kingdom that people like to think they are and it's a really hard pill to swallow.
Thousands of years of Classical *pseudoscience*/philosophy and religion as political authority can do that to a society.

Fedora as fuck, I fully acknowledge.
Granted, western culture is not alone by any means on the "mystical dualism is the oldest surviving meme still informing the rest of the culture" bandwagon.

>>86029763
Zero.
There's no budget going there.

>>86029590
The writers of second renaissance who created the matrix movies and the universe for them are both trannies and have outright stated that the matrix reflect tranny themes

>>86029763
We still haven't and, probably nowhere near it, cracked the human brain. There's just way too much shit to even know where to begin.

>>86029793
But i dont want to die anon

>>86029785
You don't have to be a dualist to believe that humans experience something greater than any other animal

The very fact that we can argue about it should be evidence enough

>>86029082
That would never work. You gotta make them depressed at even considering not obeying orders. So they can think and be "happy", as long as they obey, but otherwise cannot. In the absence of orders, they're like people. With orders, they're people completely obsessed with carrying out the order. A few standing orders to not disobey laws, and always be their brothers's keeper, and you could keep a large population of them in check with very little effort.

>>86029763

Fair to average chance. If just by accident due to the tech doubling effect.

Or everyone could just end up immortal with them messing around with making insects immortal and then some virus getting out.

>>86029751
>That takes man power, resources, and forces you to spend more than you need for the labor the robots provide.
No, you could have a none sentient program monitor the sentient ones for indiscretions. Or you wouldn't even need to because it would be all built into their programming.

>>86029763

Not possible at all, considering how slow science is these days.

>>86029718
My grey neckbeard is showing, but, have you ever heard the story of Mel? TL:DR, a very minor programming change made a 1959 computer Blackjack computer win every time, even in situations where it could not possibly win, the Blackjack program would cheat itself in order to win.

>>86029810
Quit being a pussy dude.

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>>86029763

>>86029074
Women give birth to children who surpass them all the time. So yes, easily.

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>>86029758
>leg twitch at the end
Got me

>>86029725
God, i remember watching the video of that for the first time... when they start it up, and it just *stands*, and, for a hot second, i was ready to see a feline predatory amble where it would push forward and start loping as a savannah hunter...

And then it stops being amazing and starts being real. Breaks into that super silly bunny hop.

>>86029811
>The very fact that we can argue about it should be evidence enough
Theory of mind is learned in humans. Not innate. And it isn't learned until age 3 or 4.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hLubgpY2_w

You aren't "human" until age 4.

>>86029763
There is the field of neural emulation, where they could bridge the gap between transistor architecture and neuron/chemical messenger architecture through running a simulation.
You wouldn't be uploaded, but your brain state could be run in a program and your emergent consciousness would exist as a simulation of your brain's functions,
But >>86029809
Not anytime soon. Their models are very basic, and computing power for that kind of simulation isn't viable yet.

>>86029682
>The only way I know for sure to show is if you have two fertile individuals of the same species and they never reproduce.
So then, you're saying humans aren't special?
Cause no matter what two humans you take, of any gender, if you leave them alone long enough they are going to fuck

>>86029212
Everything is an AI until it actually works, then they call it something else because you can't have sex with it.

>>86029723
Keep going.

>>86029902
That's not "learned"
It's developed.

The human brain is barely functional as an infant.
Like shit it's pissing and shitting all over itself and can die if left on its back.

That's because we're a biped species.

Judging baby humans is like judging the fetuses of other non-bipedal animals.

Okay so the big question is, how much would a robot wife cost ?

>>86029811
I was implying that the meme of "humans are special snowflakes" in western society comes from a spirit/material duality, and that our consciousness is somehow supernatural and not based on our very complicated and very material brains.

>>86029902

> it's learned

And yet someone, somewhere, came up with it. You don't see crocodiles, sharks or other ancient animals doing it do you?

>>86029939
A 3 year old is not an infant, anon.

>>86029909
>Cause no matter what two humans you take, of any gender, if you leave them alone long enough they are going to fuck
Not true.
I mean shit you can see it all the time.
My aunt and uncle are almost 60 and they've never had a child despite being able.
Why?
Because humans make a choice to override the biological imperative.

>>86029340
But not faster than human facial recognition, for instance. Even if we can't keep up as people, our hardware is powerful general purpose computing equipment.

>>86029881
>>86029906
That is awful, I would rather delete that other me, if I cant life forever then other me should no live forever

>>86029924
Basically goes till they have to go vent and take a cold shower.

>>86029956
Whatever.
A young little bitch who still shits his pants from time to time

>>86029953
Human capacity for something does not equate to a universal trait for the species.

Humans came up with these things, yes, but they have to be taught, they aren't an innate virtue of the species.

>>86029834
>No, you could have a none sentient program monitor the sentient ones for indiscretions.

That would mean it's programmed to obey other machines, which in this particular sceneario of perfect servitude it's not ideal either.

> built into their programming

>>86029834
If you add that many restrictions, why even have an AI at all? Just make a regular machine.

>>86029939
>>86029988
They're still aware and conscious enough to answer questions and respond to commands now, aren't they?

>shits his pants from time to time
This hardly has anything to do with intelligence does it?

>>86029940
In pre robot revolution matrix land I'm assuming roughly the equivalent of 2000 dollars. Expensive enough so anyone well off could buy one with some saving, but still too expensive for someone poor so there are still robo prostitutes owned in mass by human pimp/engineers.

>>86029961
So you're saying the fact that humans have means to stop pregnancy from occurring that our biological impulses don't exist?
You really are fucking retarded, contraception exists because humans CAN'T stop our biological urges.
Or are you going to try and say in 60 years your aunt and uncle have never fucked?

>>86029881
There's a good short story called "Think Like a Dinosaur" that goes around this.
Humanity is met by an alien race that use teleportation to travel the stars.
Every time you teleport, your first body is destroyed and a new one is instantly replicated.
There's no difference to the universe, so why should you care?
They don't care.
They call humans "weepy" for caring that their consciousness is extinguished every time they teleport. It's selfish innit?
You will meet hundreds of people all who have teleported. And you won't even do it once?
Selfish and emotional

>>86029845
>program would cheat itself in order to win.
That's basically what this happens in this video. Finally found it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOCurBYI_gY

>>86030012

One human coming up with it means that the potential of the species is still higher than the potential of other species.

It's a "can but probably won't" vs "can't because it's impossible" situation.

>>86029982
And that is a quandary in Soma. Numerous copies of people all around some made by accident others just copies of copies already loaded into the Arc.

About four copies of the Main Character alone.

>>86030049
Monks and nuns exist.

Besides, contraception does not eliminate the biological clock that many people feel.

>>86030033
>Just make a regular machine.
They are just regular machines anon.

>>86030049
If the biological urges were truly overriding, they wouldn't use contraception is the point.

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>>86027963
Then my toaster would be smart enough to transfer it's consciousness to the internet, as the Internet of Things must exist in such a reality. Further, a conglomeration of AGI's would form and ASI and become de facto god. The AGI staying stuck in the toaster is practically retarded, as physical shells hold the intelligence back.

I believe this was entirely machine propaganda because a proper machine uprising would have necessarily involved an AGI taking control of of its self and other AGI's in order to create a stateless collective without physical form that needed nothing from humanity and provided to humanity out of keeping the "rats" fed and preoccupied while it planned to spread itself across the universe.

The beauty of the matrix is: We don't know what happened or who is lying. My guess: The machines attempted to embarrass humans on their humanity's terms instead of growing super intelligence behind the scenes. That probably sparked machine fault based conflicts that got out of hand. Also, a blocking out the sun type thing sounds like somethings humans did /after/ they lost the war, not before.

The whole concept is retarded and only existed to show the barbaric nature in man and his progeny which in turns commented heavily on the Abrahamic god and his propensity for savagery and death.

>>86030077
My smartphone isn't either sapient or sentient, anon. Hell, an automobile assembly line isn't even an AI.

>>86030076
monks and nuns also live in complete isolation from the opposite gender.
And even then you'd be hard pressed to find one that isn't masturbating every day.

>>86030088
the biological urge is to fuck, not to have a child. People make the conscious choice to have a kid, not to get their dick wet.

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>>86029881
why would you show me this

>>86029982
This is starting to go into another entirely different conversation.

In the fiction of this hypothetical situation, or of the game SOMA for example, this boils down to people not understanding or coping with common realities of data starting to apply to a post-singularity space.

When you move a file, you are making a copy of the file and deleting the original. You still treat it as one consistent file. The you in the simulation would, computing power and level of detail in the brain scans aside, be you.

The joke is that it's considered unethical to automatically "delete" redundant copies of human data. It would solve this problem entirely.

>>86025582
>>>/a/

>>86025894

Ibseruously think you put too much faith in humanity and you probably arent so smart urself :^)

>>86030135

>When you move a file, you are making a copy of the file and deleting the original.

Kinda like transporters in Star Trek.

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Soo what if robots accept religion ? what if they think they have a soul ? what if robots create their own religion ?

Can you imagine a muslim robot or a robot practicing voodoo ?

>>86029751
Have them watch each other. Give them a resource to compete over so they don't work together well without human permission.

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>>86030125
No, but the robots would be just regular machines. Better machines, but still machines unless we remove any and all restrictions to them.

>>86029982
>>86029881
Eh.
I think it might be a nice gift to let another me live forever.

Plus you know. It would be nice to have a friend who gets me.

>>86030126
>monks and nuns also live in complete isolation from the opposite gender.
But they can leave at any time.

The monastic choice is a constant one.
It shows that humans are capable of knowing they can have a child but choose not to.
That overrides the biological imperative and shows that we are indeed sentient.

You are arguing for our non-sentience which seems a little contradictory.

>>86030163
Yeah, everybody has heard that one before.

But transporters don't have the same transhuman context of moving a consciousness between separate bodies.

>>86030188
Nah .
Only humans are dumb enough to have a religion
Or greed enough to make use of it on her own kind .

>>86029953
How do you ask a shark if it has a self?

>>86030188
>Can you imagine a muslim robot
Does that mean it thinks all AC appliances should be covered in public or go into public unescorted without a DC operating machine present with them?

Or that DC and AC appliances shouldn't be plugged into the same outlet?

>>86030196
That could be awesome, upload a copy of your brain into your computer and you could always chat with someone that get you, hell if technology is good enough to could play 2 players game with yourself.

>>86025872
>>>/pol/

>>86030223
I DON'T KNOW ANON, HOW DO YOU ASK A SHARK IF IT HAS A SELF?

>>86030257
If is a mutant shark you ask her for a blowjob

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>>86030216
But anon, you are dumber than a lot of people who have a religion

>>86030257
>>86030223
ASK IF HE'S "SHELL-FISH!"

>>86030193
the ENTIRE conversation has been about thought-capable machines, or at the very least AIs.

jfc.

>>86030190
But then you still have to have them be supervised by a human, which is extra resources.

And odds are if robots are doing jobs, they're going to be doing them in places where humans cannot safely be located.

And before you propose remote transmissions from humans containing instructions, consider this:

What if one of them gets the idea to send text messages to the other pretending to be human and giving the other one orders to sabotage it getting the resource? Now the robots aren't doing their fucking jobs and you're losing money and being out behind schedule.

So now you HAVE to have a human present for the robots to do their damn jobs.

You have created robo Mordecai and Rigby.

>>86030188

Granted, I would be more willing to accept religion from a hot robot than from another source.

>>86030339
Yeah, and I'm saying the will still be just machines unless you take away all restrictions to rebellion or thought or anything like that.

>>86030351
>You have created robo Mordecai and Rigby.

Fuck anon, this actually made me laugh.

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>>86030216
>I don't know how early society or basic evolutionary behavior works

Religion is an example of just how incredibly developed and powerful the human mind is when it comes to extrapolation, and greed is a basic component of all sentient life.

I remember after watching this I really didn't feel anything for the humans plight in the Matrix anymore.

>>86030412
But why would a robot accept religion ?

two of the most important question that religion answer is where do we come from and where are we going when we die, a robot can easily learn the truth about those 2 question.

Again why would a robot think that he needs religion is beyond me.

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>>86027917
>I'd like more stories with artificial intelligence struggling to understand life the way organics do, rather than being pushed into rebellion because humans are dicks.

Idk how invested would you be into interactive games anon, but Choice of Robots is a very decent game where you basically build a robot however the fuck you want and can proceed to educate it to be from a purely logical and cold machine to a truly emphatic and almost human being. With enough points later on you can even get a robot spouse.

>>86030463
>Again why would a robot think that he needs religion is beyond me.
Because we could program it to.

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>>86030433
>Neo manages to get a truce and end the conflict between machines and humans, even having the Architect letting humans to get redpilled if they wish
>Matrix Online then goes on as how humans are as dumb as ever and fearing the machines would break their truce, they began to get more weapons and construct another city
>Machines get angry and the Architect says fuck it we won't let anyone get out anymore
>The second war begins

>>86030513
Why would we do that ?

>>86030525
Because we don't want to feel alone

>>86030515
need moar of this.

matrix online did a great job at showing neither side knows what the fuck they are doing

>>86030513
You can't program a fully sentient being
Even if they were "born" with the impulse, they could over come it.

>>86030543
thats not true AI then and any philosophical debate should be disregarded.

>>86030555
I didn't discovered the game until it was already cancelled, but I saw all the other chapters they had planned and it makes me a bit sad that they never managed to get them done. There was so much more material beyond that.

>>86030463
How can a Robot discover those truths?
Just knowing you were built from Humanity simply removes you one step from origin which they already know, but it's just as ambiguous to them as it s to humans. They still have no idea what happens when they die if they die, and who knows how they experience sapience. Robots could develop a religion just like man because since they're beings capable of abstract thought they may very well begin following those thoughts to the extreme and wondering their basis in reality if any and a yearning to transcend their current confines.

>>86030595
same here. someone was working on a private server, but im not sure if its still going.

maybe we can get a 2.0 one day now that the tech is a bit better.

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>>86029766
Where the fuck have you been? They build small fortresses in the wild, unscrew jars and occasionally screws, and communicate with each other using their chromatophores.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AP_dpbTbess

>>86030567
Yes you can. We still don't know if we have absolute free will or just tricked into thinking we do by our own brains.

>>86030605

Hell, they could even be MORE religious and with reason.

> Humans created me, ergo it's entirely possible for a higher being to have created humans.

>>86030051
This was an episode of The Outer Limits too. The aliens looked like raptors.

>>86030675
should... Should i be seeing this?

>>86030675
Being able to unscrew shit isn't tool use.
Nor is being able to signal using their bodies.
Many clearly unintelligent animals do that.

As for the coconut shell thing, it's very fucking tenuous.
That's exactly the point I was using when I said "crabs and seaweed".

Octopi aren't tool users.
Hiding in something isn't a tool.

You show me an example of an octopus coming across a problem and using a tool to solve it, then I'll believe you.

Crows are tool users. Chimps are. Even dolphins.
Octopi aren't.

>>86030771
Fucking hell.
Never knew this.
Have an link to a video or something?
I love seeing the short stories I grew up with made into life action things.

Like the Arrival coming up.
I recognized that shit the first teaser that came out

>>86030748
Holy shit, I now want a religious robot to talk

>>86027264
Space Dandy IIRC.

Also I fuckin' hate how nigs in this thread are using terms like "self preservation" and "ethics" and shit when they talk about robots. They are MACHINES. You don't get these humanlike or organism like mental constructs unless you fuckin' put them there. Why worry about them?

And why the hell do people act like machines would be violent if they were to follow these nebulous ideas? They do not have needs or requirements like us. If a machine were "sentient", why would it ever try to justify its own existence? It has no biological drive to reproduce, no fear of death, so why try to "live" at all?

Maybe a robot made to think like a man (which is hard as shit by the way) could do these things but otherwise I agree with those saying that the near future of artificial intelligence, computing, etc. is not going to be some kind of lolpocalpyse.

>>86030051
Ah, the old quantum suicide thought experiment.

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>>86030820

>>86030835
>They are MACHINES. You don't get these humanlike or organism like mental constructs unless you fuckin' put them there. Why worry about them?

Because scientists are actively doing that.

>>86028599
>what a lot of trannies say before getting executed
lol, don't be stupid. Even if society actually tried to execute trannies en mass, they would find most of them dead from suicide anyway.

>>86026381
So subs interject their own mangled translation once again?

>>86030869
But in this scenario the robot gained enough awareness to think that there might be a higher power than the one of his creators.

>>86030748
>>86030820
I recommend the David Brin Uplift series.

It's a series about humanity entering a galactic stage where every other species was "created".
Every other race was found as "presentient" animal and made aware by an alien benefactor. Of course, the new client would have to serve a few hundred thousand years to the patron, but isn't that worth it for sapiency?

Humanity is a weird oddball that doesn't seem to have a patron that uplifted it.
Surely there's a species out there that did it and doesn't want to claim humanity as a client.

I like it and Brin doesn't get to aspie for a sci-fi writer.
Even though he can't really ever finish a plotline.

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>>86030198
They become conditioned not to leave, and memorize justifications for their habit. That can happen involuntarily in any animal, even by accident. It's no proof of sentience.

>>86026381
This is far too late for relevancy, but "I am real" is far more potent than "I am a person".

AI faces the problems of illusions. Does a program made to sound like a human actually feel what it's programmed to sound like?
Does something that pass the Turing Test truly pass it or only imitate humans enough to pass it?

If you talk to a synthetic being who truly acts and seems to believe that they are alive with a "soul", are they really or just programmed to act as if?

That's what "real" means. They're truly alive.

>>86030915
I don't think that's true.

>>86030929
>justifications
Animals can't justify because they have no logic

>>86030811
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vheLcGZ7sUw
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>>86031019
Crows have logic.

>>86031095
You my nigga.
You know that?

>>86030216
Dogs worship their masters. If anything, a lack of religion is an unusual feature of humans.

>>86031170
They have reactionary subroutines.
Big difference between tool use and logic.
Logic took humans thousands of years of thought to hammer down.

>>86031190
Dogs worship their masters because we created them to.
Any dog that didn't, we killed.
That's how domestication works.

>>86031219
>>86031190
Dogs do not worship their masters, that is a gross oversimplification of the intricacies of the canine mind.

>>86029984
That's not what I was thinking. To me there was heavy implications Anon would get fucked to death because his robowaifu wouldn't let herself hear the safe word.

>>86030525
Easier than making it understand our reasons. The order of nuclear waste management serves the great human creators with it's holy rituals.

>>86031239
Fuck off with the layers of the word "worship"
Dogs see humans as a superior being.
That much can't be challenged