Am I the only one that found Peter Pan to be extremely creepy?

>>86021744
Well he is a total asshole (unsupervised kids turn into assholes who would have guessed) who mutilates people for luls.

>>86021744
The life story of the kid who voiced Peter Pan is a fun read.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Driscoll

>>86021971
Child actors always end badly

>>86021744
In the books he was really fucking bad. Like, way worse. Like, forces real children to live on imaginary food and will sometimes take lost boys who've grown too old for his liking away from the place where they live and when he comes back he'll pretend as though they never existed and no one is allowed to question it kind of bad.

He's also the ghost of a dead baby who was spirited away by fairies and who returned to find his parents with another child, and it fucked him up apparently.

>>86022145
That's some nasty shit m8

>>86021744
i always thought he was in that part specifically. like i think he's supposed to look all mischievous and mystical but it shoots the moon and just ends up looking creepy

Michael Jackson wanted to play Peter Pan in a movie, and even pretended to be him in real life to a certain extent.

I think that says it all right there.

>>86021744
He should be. The thing you need to understand is that Peter Pan was a child raised by faeries.

Not the disney "oh we're so cute and funny and nice" fairies, but the old school fair folk that would sour milk, kill animals, kidnap children, and one more than one occasion rape women. .

Tinkerbelle? Her whole deal was that faeries can only have one emotion at a time (because they're so small) so that when she gets jealous of Wendy, it's an all consuming "I'm going to kill this bitch by any means necessary" crazy yandere kind of envy.

>>86022491
Hook is also a respectable gentleman privateer who went to college and has no idea how he got there or where there even is. At the point that the story takes place he's also basically existing in a time period when he shouldn't.

Also, I should point out that there's a theory posed about ghost baby Peter often, which basically boils down to He probably had no idea where his house actually was. Like, some people think the story eludes to him having not actually returned to his old home to see his parents with another child, but that he just walked up to a random house and said, "Yeah, this is probably my house," and then looked in and saw a completely different family and it pissed him off. Peter has no solid concept of time, too. At the end of the last story he tells Wendy he'll come back for her very soon and then basically leaves and returns immediately as far as he's concerned and Wendy is a super old ass woman. So he takes her daughter instead, has some adventures, and then tells her the same thing. Leaves. And returns super immediately to find she's also an old woman with a daughter, so he takes her. And he repeats this process forever, basically. So it might not have been his parents, because he may have been gone so long his parents moved or died, not just had a new child.
He disappeared, by the way, via jumping out the window as a very small child and just flew away to a garden where he tried to convince other children and ghosts to stay with him. There, he may or may not have been responsible for the deaths of children via drowning. Before he went home got pissed and then fucked off to Neverland.

>>86021744
In the play and book it's at least partially deliberate. He's the epitome of childhood and someone's whose never grown up. He's not sadistic but his empathy isn't fully developed.
Combine that with a fair amount of power and you've got a being whose a lot of fun but not the safest.
Wendy, Peter, Michael and the Lost Boys find they're happy ending at home for a reason.

Heck in the very original drafts he was a flat out villain who stole children.

>>86021744
well anytime I hear anyone bring up Peter Pan now a days the only response is how creepy he is for taking kids to an island so no

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>>86021744
Nah, there've been dark/horror books based off of Peter Pan. And they don't really have to change much.

Peter Pan is the personification of youth and childhood. Yes, he is innocent, yes he is fun, but children are also cruel and heartless at times and self-absorbed and so he is that too.

The fact that he has superpowers only emboldens in and he has no authority figure to reign him in and he loses his memories frequently, so he never learns or matures or grows wiser.

Which is why Wendy ultimately decides to leave Peter and Neverland because she understood who he was.

The original point of Peter pan was that kids could be huge dicks and that Peter pan was basically a manchild that should be pitied.

>>86025857
You mean he's a brony

>>86021744
Even as little boy myself I wanted Hook from "Peter Pan and the Pirates" to win with this faggot.

In J.M. Barrie's Peter Pan, the defining traits of children and fairies (and Peter Pan especially) is that they are innocent and heartless. Peter himself is an especially poignant case: being stuck in childhood means that he cannot learn from his experiences--or even remember them. At the ending of the traditional stage play, when Wendy is starting to outgrow Neverland, she mentions that Tinkerbell is dead of old age (fairies don't live very long) and Peter asks, "Who's that?" Also note Peter's merriment and delight at killing pirates and Indians.

It's also mentioned that when there are too many Lost Boys, or they started growing up, Peter "thinned them out."

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>>86021744
Nah, you're just a weirdo OP. Peter was a pretty cool guy. I have a lot in common with him actually.

>>86026170
A brony of the early 1900's maybe.
Maybe even before that.

Reminder that Peter Pan was originally going to be the villain of Fables.

>>86029387
And isn't he a villain on that Once Upon a Time show? I have to get around to watch that someday

In the original draft of the novel, he would murder the Lost Boys when they got to old, that's why they were always boys.

>>86021971
God damn, anon. Peter Pan literally died from a heavy heart.

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>>86029788
>In the original draft of the novel, he would murder the Lost Boys when they got to old
Thats a fucking lie, anon. It was that bitch Wendy who used to drug the lost boys with her nightly "medicine" . Peter never understood why his lost boys would die at a certain age.

>>86029387
which is weird because he simply never showed up at all.

Fables fell apart hard near the end anyways.

I always liked him due to the fact he was such a badass.

in my head he would be one of the top swordsmans in some weird giant interconnected universe.

>>86026170
A BLOO BLOOO BLOO
Shut up, bronies are better than half the fanbases on this board

I'm looking at you, SU fags

>>86023200

Jesus Christ.

>>86021744
Thats why michael jackson liked him

pan is an asshole it's not weird to be creeped out from him

>>86032415
Pan is a wonderful boy who will out live you.

>>86022145
I prefer Peter and the Star Catchers, thanks.

>>86023121
>but the old school fair folk that would sour milk, kill animals, kidnap children, and one more than one occasion rape women. .
So like the ones from Lords and Ladies?

>>86029575
You're not missing much, that show is complete dogshit. The entire thing is like a really bad fanfiction that somehow got greenlit to be an actual show. Hook went through the worst "Draco in leather pants" wankery I've seen in recent memory, and I'm still pissed off at how badly Chernabog was handled.

>>86035031
>Chernabog could have been final season bug bad and personification of Darkness
>lolno lets make him a random monster of the week

what's the best version of Peter Pan to buy? I want some gorgeous illustrations

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>>86035119
A random MoTW was able to walk in broad daylight no less. Did these idiots do research in what they're trying to adapt? Because that alone contradicts Chernabog's very existence.

>>86022145
That's not my Robin Williams

He's a Feywild.

He'd eat your fucking guts if he thought it was fun.

>>86028118
Peter has such incredibly bad memory that while flying with the siblings to Neverland he almost lets them fall into the ocean because he forgets that they can't fly.

>>86030258

Probably because they'd have to pay a copyright fee to air it in the UK since Peter Pan has a perpetual copyright in the UK since the author willed the copyright to a children's hospital.

>>86036768
Doesn't the copyright only hold up for the stage play? I remember that Moore got Lost Girls released in Britain with that argument.

>>86023121
>and one more than one occasion rape women. .

How would you even know you were being raped by a fairy? Their dicks have to be pathetically tiny.

>>86036781
can I use that as an excuse

>>86033402
I thought I was the only one that read that book

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>>86032151
You shut your whore mouth. Michael had a pure heart.

>>86036824

"Your honour, how could I have raped this woman if she testified that at no time did she feel my penis enter her? How your honour? How?"

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>>86035031
I used to watch that show with my mom. I still say Rumble should've murdered Hook and that bitch of an ex-wife. I can't believe it's female audience actually gets behind her abandoning her husband and son to have pirate adventures.

And don't forget this shit.

>>86036888
>the new Chewbacca defense

>>86034770
pretty much

>>86037063
I don't see the problem.

>>86037063
abandoning your spouse and children to go have an exciting life is the guilty fantasy of everyone who regrets marrying too soon
it's basically the adult changeling fantasy

>>86036833
The whole series is pretty great.

Imagine if you will a horror adventure story of Peter Pan, children with clothing in disrepair playing in a wild woods near to dance around a tree stump as some near to elfin boy lands on it softly from above.

Today we'll play pirates and sailors! He declares for all to hear, to a cheer in raucous response.

Let me be the pirate! Let me! The clarion voice of one boy echoes. And it is thuroughly agreed upon since of them he is the tallest. They pass to him an eye patch, which he wears and then growls in fun with a long held argh.

No no, that isn't quite right. Posits the boy on the stump as he falls cross legged. Take off that silly thing and come here, James, I have a better idea.

The boy complies as pan rolls off the log.

Hold steady, he says as he pulls the boy's hand across the tree stump. Hold him tight everyone, I don't want to miss and we want to make you the best of pirates, James.

They cheer and hollar and yowl to this, James does too. Has arm held fast and tight as the boy floats around the scene, inspecting it. He draws a dagger and lines up his aim as he settles among the boys lost to his intents and charm.

James quiets as he looks at the blade. Awake perhaps for the first time in god knows. Fear takes him as he struggles against his friends. Who are they, how long have they played like this.

Today, James, you'll be called Captain Hook!

The blade falls. They scream in jubilation, he screams in agony.

On older man, much older, wakes in a bed chamber with a start. He looks about in fright and brings one hand to his face to steady himself. Staggering in the dark to a mirror and basin, he uses that same hand as he keeps his oter arm down to splash some water on his face.

By dawn he has been awake for hours, sitting half dressed in his study drinking gin, bourbon, or some other appropriate spirit.

His walls hold many books and maritime military accolades. A saber rests over the mantle. Lifting the arm left derelict, he stares at the covered stump.

>>86039687
With the sun he finally begins the looming day. Getting dressed and tending to matters of his holdings and business. Correspondences both local and abroad. The dream was one you were accustomed to, but this time it felt more real than it had in ages. This disturbs you.

Master Darling! Your housemaid explodes into the room, an urgent telegram has come from your younger brother in London.

You niece and nephews have gone missing. Taken in the night through an open window by means unknown.

Your reply is urgent, instructing your maid to send your bags after you by courier and deliver your own message to the telegraph office.

You don your coat and catch the next train to London.

Your brother is a sound decade and a half your junior, though he grooms himself as older with a mustache mimicking that of your father and yourself. The resemblance between you is quite uncanny. His wife cannot bring herself to leave the children's nursery, where the abduction happened in the night. You find your brother in his own study, what was once your father's study, accompanied by and being comforted by the family dog, a St. Bernard you always thought he couldn't stand.

You are disturbed... You know what did this even if Scotland Yard does not. You wonder if your brother even remembers.

>>86039687
>>86040203
please continue

>>86040260
Will do, switching from mobile to lappy. It's doing an update.

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>>86022145
According to the creator, Peter Pan is meant to represent someone that is completely innocent.

He doesn't has the concept of good and evil, he is amoral and wild,more of a member of the fairy folk than human. One of the evidences of it is even on his name, that is meant to be based on the greek god Pan.

The earlier drafts of the story had him in a more sinister light.

Also they guy who wrotte the story was a fucking weirdo, with fucking weirdos as parents.

>>86040203
you remember..you remember standing in this room as a young man and officer. Your father sat where your brother sits now. There was something in the nursery, a toy you hadn't seen since you were a boy. A toy you knew had not been in that nursery for a long long time.

No idea how you would do it, you promised your father that you would bring your brother back. Almost no one would believe you, then, but you would find away.

And you had. Sure as he sits there now.

His wife enters holding a toy, its old. Something she doesn't recognize, he does. He hasn't seen it since he was a boy, and you know he doesn't remember. And you know with perfect clarity what you must do.

That night you send out telegraphs by the score. Pulling favors and spending money.

Less than a week later you stand on the docks before a well kept antique of sail and gumption. A steamship would have too much iron and steel, it would never arrive where you seek to go.

So you hope as you test your saber that you have brought enough iron.

To your upset, none of the old contacts you asked were willing to serve as first mate for the journey. You'll have to select someone from among the rest of the hired crew.

An old and familiar voice calls out from behind you. Heavyset and short, but familiar all the same. Dragging bags behind him and shaking your lack of hand rather than the one you still have.

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>>86036781
There are a lot of types of fairies.

Fairies as only tiny humans is a modern creation.

>>86036576
To my knowledge, and this is terrifying, with the exception of the part of the ending of the book where Tinkerbell dies and the canon names of Wendy's daughter and grand daughter being different: Hook can actually fit into Peter Pan canon with minimal issue. There are some small discrepancies and character personality changes, but Hook COULD be canon if it wanted to.

>>86037063
Lancelot is literally English myths' biggest fucking bull. As in he cucks Arthur FUCKING HARD and it rang out across history for fucking ever. Making him a black guy is almost racist against blacks in and of itself, because it plays into the idea that black guys are only good as bulls and should be seen as a sexual adventure or a conquest for white women and not as people.

>>86029217
Intelligent, nihilistic and with a wicked sense of humor?

>>86041226
Isn't Lancelot also basically a mary sue that was inserted into the myth long after it's original telling?

>>86041091

Mister Schmee, a smile cracks across you face despite the dire tidings ahead, such is the balm of a good friend.

s'me a'right, his cockney tongue laughs as he slaps you on the back. He had heard from some of the old boys that you were putting a crew together, then he heard about the children. Why not drag an old sea dog out of retirement if you needed a first mate so badly.

Because, you explain, he deserves his rest for all he's done.

Well, rest is for the dead. And he's damned bored.

Your crew sets sail within the hour, toward open water. It's days until you think you're where you need to be. The crew alight with whispers as to what this venture was all about. Sure they were paid a premium, most of them veterans, but what mad errand had you brought them on.

You order the navigator to watch the sky at dusk for the first star off the starboard. Plot it and identify what constellation it belongs to or within any proximity and track it.

Track it through the night until dawn.

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>>86030392
bronies have a whole board to contain their faggotry

>>86030392
>says the person whose entire board is made up of CYOA's

You don't get to call yourself better than anyone, go back to your containment board.

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>>86041027
So he's like chaotic neutral?

>>86041425
In the books, Schmee is actually implied to be heavily mentally handicapped and that's why children like him. Something like, children like the child minded.

>>86041311
Kind of, but honestly, a lot of Arthurian legend can be argued to be as such. Lancelot is just as valid as most of the other characters. Most Arthurian legend takes place in the 6th century or so, and was written in the 12th century. Lancelot is a character who showed up in the 12th century, so it's really not as though he was created at a different time than the rest of them. Not late enough to be unusual, anyway.

>>86041311
so is most of the Round Table. Merlin is probably the biggest offender of them all.

>>86041425

The island looms ahead in the dawn. Colors more vibrant than anything your crew had ever seen before.

When you make landfall, you warn them all to bring their weapons. This shall not be a safe journey, and if they want to live...they best not believe in faerie things. Mister Schmee brings you something he'd been saving. A cap to your stumped arm. The hook.

When you land upon the beach, this place remembers. The color drains in vibrancy where you step.

Today you are not Captain Darling, veteran of Her Majesty's Royal Navy, you command your crew as you remember the name he gave you upon your first return to the island.

Today you are Captain Hook.

-fin

>>86023121
>that Peter Pan was a child raised by faeries.
>Not the disney "oh we're so cute and funny and nice" fairies, but the old school fair folk that would sour milk, kill animals, kidnap children, and one more than one occasion rape women. .

I love this shit. Faerie folk do what they want, and that's exactly how Peter acted. I don't know, I love stuff like that.

>>86041581
Sort of. He's without morals or understanding of what morals even are, really. He doesn't quite understand the concept of morality because younger children often don't without being taught. It's kind of a good juxtaposition against the idea of what a pure character is. A pure character is almost always written as good, Peter is neither good nor evil, he simply is.

His alignment would be hard to hammer down, though. Chaotic Neutral, possibly. But he could just as easily be treated as true Neutral.

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>>86041596
Yeah, but Lancelot always seemed super sueish. He replaced Gawain as the strongest knight in the realm, fucks King Arthur's wife and just generally acts like a fanfiction character.

>>86041710
That's because he is.

He was created by 12th century French writers while Arthurian legends is dated to be based on Pre-Anglo Saxon Briton.

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>>86041643
Is this from something or did you write it? It's pretty good.

>You order the navigator to watch the sky at dusk for the first star off the starboard. Plot it and identify what constellation it belongs to or within any proximity and track it.

>Track it through the night until dawn.

This part's neato

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>>86041710
His fucking Arthur's wife ultimately leads to the fall of the kingdom he was supposed to be serving and was sworn to follow, though. His death is at the hands of regret. He literally dies of sadness because Arthur and Guinevere both die and he knows it's his fault. It starts out feeling kind of Sueish, but I think the idea that his death and the fall of the kingdom are actually put in motion by the sueish shit he does near the start is a good one. It's like adding a sue to a story, having them act as they do, and then beating them over the head with the consequences until they die.

Guinevere refused to see Lancelot after Arthur's death. She blamed them both for his death and the fall of his kingdom, so she becomes a nun and hides her face in shame from Lancelot for the rest of her life. To the point where she eventually starts dying of complication and when Lancelot has a dream about it, he rushes off to save her and she prays herself to an earlier death 30 minutes before he shows up so he doesn't have an excuse to come face to face with her.

>>86021744
I remember a greentext on /tg/ about a campaign some guy ran where the players played Hook's crew and Peter Pan was a vampire lord

>>86041917
I was misremembering it. It was neither a greentext or a real campaign. Still a good story though.

http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/3334499/

>>86041905
Actually, it's just terrible french writing.

The French had a huge boner for sad endings and the folly of humans as a moral against Pride.

Arthurian legend was actually a pretty rad heroism story turned into a depressing cuck fantasy by the french.

>>86041873
The idea is actually from an rpg.net thread from a few years ago about how to do a heroic captain hook. I just tweaked it heavily and played with it.

In the thread piece Hook isn't a Darling brother, and the rescue of the Darling children is his first return to neverland. There was a thought up scene where a sailor is swarmed to death by faeries on the beach, and hook strides toward the swarm as it turns toward him and simply says, as they are all but upon him, "I don't believe in faeries" and they all drop dead to the ground and litter around him.

I thought to add Hook & Mr. Darling being brothers because in the stage plays normally Hook and Mr Darling are the same actor. And I thought to make Mr Darling once an abductee who was rescued because of the scene in the animated movie when Mr Darling says he recognizes that ship, he saw it once when he was a boy.

>>86023121
In the book, Tinkerbell convinces the Lost Boys to shoot Wendy

>>86042002
What was the original arthurian legend like, then?

Whenever you see it in modern times it's always about Lancelot's betrayal

>>86042089
The Original FACTUAL part of the Legend.

Some Celtic Warlord named Artorias ( or Arturus depending on the direct translation ) meaning THE BEAR, Fights of Early Saxon invaders to defend his Kingdom.

English legend is Le morte without Lancelot and much happier.

>>86042153
How does the story end if not the fall of Camelot?

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>>86042153
>Some Celtic Warlord named Artorias

>>86042302
Mordred and the fall of Camelot is still there.

All the french did was add their OC donut steel and make the other Knights like Gawain useless.

>>86042488
Artorias or more accurately Arturus is a Brittonic meaning for "Bear-King"

So Arthur was pretty fucking metal.

>Thread starts off about Peter Pan
>A day later it's suddenly about King Arthur

>>86042812
Arthur is a better story than Peter Pan.
The only thing Pan has going for it is Tinkerbell.

>>86036781
Fae folk aren't just the tiny winged creature that you see now in Disney.

I really had a great time in a fae thread in /x/. I got lots of interesting book titles about it.

>>86043040
List 'em.

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>>86041643

Love how Nocturnal Me by Echo & The Bunnymen played when I read "Track it through the night until dawn."

I really enjoyed that, anon. I really did.

>>86042002
>The French had a huge boner for sad endings and the folly of humans as a moral against Pride.
It's funny how this never changed

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>>86043132
The list is long, so I put it up in pastebin.

http://pastebin.com/ijBbXcYg

Most titles have links to the epub/pdf file of the books. There are also a couple of YT links there, that I think are fae related.

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>all these fae dolls in google images
yooo why didn't I come across these before

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Anyone else read Peter Pan in Kensington Garden?
It's really interesting, doesn't all line up with what's written in the play but you can imagine Peter's history being similar to that before going to Neverland.

Barrie also noted once in his lectures that Hook was once an etonian. That once he revisited the school and sat on the wall, but when a policeman came up and asked whether he was an O.E he denied it so as not to ruin the reputation of the school. His last words before being eaten is the Eton motto. wonder if he ever fucked a pig?

For all the media drawing from Peter Pan, very few seem to use the existing material by J.M Barrie. Wish they did.

>>86042089
I'll forever be bothered that Arthur's first recorded appearance is a cameo in the story of his cousin in Olwen & Culhwch where he just lends his massive army to help with the quest.

Which means that Arthur was a known figure by then that the storyteller could assume his audience knew about. So there are probably a lot more more older stories about this guy that have been forever lost to time.

>>86042628
>Speak welsh and watched Arthur
>Arthur looks like a bear
>Arth is welsh for bear so that makes sense to me.
>They tell me he's a fucking aardvark.
Pisses me off.

Does anyone know where I may've heard that Hook is a former lost boy?

>>86035031
You'd need actual brain damage to think it's a good show, but I enjoy it as a guilty pleasure. It's so bad though, I still haven't finished season 5.

Pan is actually the most sinister villain of the series thus far.

>>86044587
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHequSk88mM

>>86044587
So there's a bunch of historical stories about Artorias the badass bear king that we'll never ever know?

Ya'll want time travel?

>>86044587
>They tell me he's a fucking aardvark.
>Pisses me off.
Made me laugh, anon

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I prefer the Japanese Peter, thank you.

>>86023200
>>86022491

This, ladies and gents, is why you stay away from the fucking Fae. Carry iron in your pocket, put holly on your door, and DO NOT MAKE ANY DEALS.

>>86036781
>Fae
>Just PUNY FAIRIES

Anon, remember this if nothing else:

Elm do brood and do hate. Willow walks when you travel late. Stand in your door or behind a gate, and make no 'fending glances. Do not hock, or borrow or steal, any gold a-shining, and be respectful of the host when withe faeries dining.

DO NOT. FUCK. WITH FAERIES.

>>86045758
>>86045969
This. The entire reason they're even called "the good fairies" or "the fair folk" is because if you don't pay them compliments they will find out and murder your entire village.

Other Mother from Coraline? That was a faerie.

>>86045969
I'M GONNA FUCK THE FAERIES

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>>86045758
I remember that one anon in /x/ where they said they were studying fae stuff in college (part of their degree in Irish history, if I recall correctly), and they said that almost every move of the people back then were kind of influenced by how the fae folk might react. Fae folk might get upset on where you tread, what tree you picked your fruit from, going out of your home the wrong way, etc.

In most spirited away stories, the person will get invited, stolen, or accidentally wander into fae territory. The fae could purposely not let you home, or can't be fucked, but if you somehow get home you'll find your house/families/people you know have died and you're in the wrong time, by which after asking a stranger about the year/your house/family and realizing you are displaced in time, you will suddenly turn to ashes.

Fae folk are fucking brutal.

Not saying these are real and all, just that it's interesting how fae folk belief were different back then (well it still is in some parts of the world). It's not this Disnified fairy thing.

>>86045363
But he doesn't fly, have creepy shadow magic, kidnap kids, stay forever young, or fight pirates

He gets a sword from a stone, grows up, gets light, fire and ice magic, and fights desert thieves

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>>86046228
They're gonna fuck you, alright.

>>86046228
Fucking the faerie is fine. If you're lucky, your kid won't be a complete shit and will probably be rich in both worlds. And your wife will never stop being hot.

Do not fuck /with/ the faeries. Don't steal anything, don't mock them, and for the love of CHRIST do not break a fae woman's heart.

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>>86046220
>Other Mother from Coraline? That was a faerie.
This. I love it.

>>86046428
It's a good thing my fetish is loving, happy relationships

>>86041311
Yes.

By the French.

>all this 2edgy4me nonsense about how Peter Pan was sekritly evil and stole children

just because he wasn't your precious "emotionally sensitive" stephen universe doesn't mean he was evil

Peter Pan was based on the author's little brother, who died very young.

>J.M. Barrie created his character based on his older brother, David, who died in an ice-skating accident the day before his 14th birthday. His mother and brother thought of him as forever a boy.[9] The "boy who wouldn't grow up" character has been described as a variety of ages.

In The Little White Bird (1902), he was only seven days old.
Although his age is not stated in Barrie's play (1904) or novel (1911), the book says that he still had all his baby teeth. In other ways, the character appears to be older, about 12–13 years old.

There's lots of interesting interpretations you can make about the character of Peter Pan, the nature of youth and immortality, etc., but this idea that he was somehow evil and kidnapped children is just so much edgy, adolescent nonsense constructed by Hot Topic goers who have neither read J.M. Barrie nor seen the original play, and only vaguely remember the Disney film, and thus have decided to make Peter Pan fit their "omg so bleak" outlook, in which nothing is innocent.

>>86042551
It makes sense for Camelot to fall in the British legends.

Look at Anglo-Saxon poetry, depressing as fuck.

But awesome.

Lament for the Rohirrim is actually taken from a Saxon poem, and uses almost entirely Saxon words.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Gbf_mJRIHg

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>tfw you don't have a brownie

>>86046428
Only fuck a fairy consensually. If you capture her you're happiest ending will be her escaping and you dying of a broken heart.

>>86046784
I don't think you've read the thread properly, or at all.

A lot of anons don't consider him evil, but he is pure in the sense that he doesn't have quite the grasp of morality due to being a kid forever. He is not good or evil, he just does what he does. Kinda like the fae folk.

>>86045969
Cold iron says hello.

>>86046784
I do understand where you're coming from anon but it is true that J.M Barrie originally drafted Peter Pan as antagonist figure.

Even the stuff about his treatment of his the lost boys is completely true to text.
It's one of the very few times where "the protagonist was actually evil" revisionism does have some grounding.
Though the ones that try to switch Hook and Peter around are bullshit. Hook is not without honour but honour doesn't make a man good.

I don't think Peter Pan was ever intended to be villainous but I do think Barrie was pretty realistic in world view of children's behaviour.
Unlike a lot of people of his time, he knew children were children and not born 'little adults'.

>>86036781
Fairies haven't always been tiny people. Think Morgan Le Fay (Morgan the Fairy) from Arthurian legend.

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>>86047222
>I do think Barrie was pretty realistic in world view of children's behaviour.
>Unlike a lot of people of his time, he knew children were children and not born 'little adults'.
I like this. I have a young sibling and I can understand this.

>>86046220
>>86046288
>>86046288

Oh, they're real. At least "real" enough at least as a force of human psychology to cause, well, just read.

Do not break a faerie woman's heart. It will cause you and your family pain for generations. Take my own family, for example. An English crusader, the third son of a minor lord in Lancashire, sets out with Richard Plantagenet to conquer the Holy Land, find his fortune, and maybe find himself a pretty wife to bring home to Mama.

...Well, one out of three ain't bad, right? So, the Crusade having largely failed, Sir John Alexander Radcliffe comes back to merry old England with his sword, a title, and a packhorse loaded with two chests of Saracen gold. A little miffed about not meeting any pretty French girls, he's in the market for a wife.
>con'td

>>86042302
>>86042551
Arthurian legends aren't one story but a multitude of stories about one figure. A lot of stuff was being added over time.

Camelot for instance is only the most famous of the kingdom's that Arthur was supposed to have ruled over. His first recorded kingdom was Celliwig in the story mentioned here >>86044587

>>86041643
I liked it anon, would read the book.

>>86039319
He's mad because they made a character from Welsh folklore black.

This dude named Yallery Brown is offering to do all my work for me because I helped him out. He told me I'll never even have to say thank you. Should I take him up on it?

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Can he really understand fairies?

And yes i also mean moments in Tinkerbell pirate fairy movie

>>86047376
Well, young Sir John meets a lady, alright. Wandering through the wood (now long dead) next to our ancestral home of Ordsall Manor, John meets a beautiful woman with blue eyes and pale hair. One whirlwind romance later, of course they're married.

John and his wife are happy for a sight of years, but then John makes the classic mistake: he has a bastard with a country girl he met on the road. The wife rails at him, cursing at him, "I should never have married you, you faithless pig" and all of that sort. Well, then she curses him.

>>86047618
Accept his offer but make sure you don't thank him.

In general if a Fairy decides to help you out you should just accept it so you don't offend them. Just whatever you do don't break any of the rules they set.

>>86047759

I dunno man it seems kind of rude to let a guy do all that for you and never thank him. I don't want to seem ungrateful.

>>86030155
You don't grow old in neverland.
What he did was "thin them out" when there where too many lost boys.
Which people interpreted as murder.

>>86021744
read the book and you'll find him creepier

the Peter Pan story is basically a 'kidnapped by the fae' story for Victorian kids.

>>86041581
He's like if a stray dog was a person.

>>86047575
To be fair more than one of Arthur's men where supposed to have come from around the globe.
He was a roman-briton.

Anyway it's better than a Saes.

>>86047878
This but Barrie also knew kids would totally love to be kidnapped by the fae, as long at they could also come home safely at the end.

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>>86047618
Fuck him. Leave him under that stone. Seriously, the help they give is not worth it for the trouble that comes after.

>KIKIMORA - is a female house spirit in Slavic mythology, sometimes said to be married to the Domovoi. Kikimora is said to look after the chickens and the housework if the home is well-kept. If not, she will tickle, whistle, and whine at the children at night. She also comes out at night to spin. It is said that a person who sees Kikimora spinning will soon die. To appease an angry Kikimora, one should wash all the pots and pans with fern tea. She usually lives behind the stove or in the cellar

>>86047695
>The wife rails at him, cursing at him, "I should never have married you, you faithless pig" and all of that sort. Well, then she curses him.
I love fae stories like this. The wife is a fae, something fucks up the marriage, and she leaves and/or curses someone. I find it a very interesting theme.

>>86021744
Personally, I have always been horrified by the idea of eternal childhood. How this could be anyone's fantasy baffles me. My childhood was hell. I was stupid, powerless, selfish, lived under draconian rules, and was all in all a person I am now ashamed of ever having been.

Maybe it's because of the developmental problems I dealt with growing up. In a way, I came dangerously close to becoming a child forever. Whatever my own biases, I maintain that childhood was horrible. The people who romanticize it either peaked in highschool or don't really remember what it was like.

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>Rusalki: Slavic water nymphs that live in lakes.They look like human women with translucent skin and tails. They can transform into water creatures and horses. They tempt young men and children into the water where they drown them.

/co/, stay safe

>>86048142

Does that mean dolphins are fae?

>>86046220
People overplay the nasty, scary monstrous fairies these days.

They treat every possible fae as unseelie, which are the nasty cunts that spoil milk or steal kids.
The seelie are generally benign some are even helpful, provided you don't act the fool.

>>86045363
Any man or woman who doesn't waifu Zelda has brain damage.

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>>86048112
You just had a bad childhood, anon. I had a terrific childhood and I don't really mind going back to that age for a short time.

>live in a rural area, near the mountains
>grandma has an awesome garden with avocado trees, roses and sunflowers
>afternoon picnics with siblings
>big ass fish tank with big ass goldfishes that have tails like mermaids
>swing in the garden
>go through a spooky forested area with sibling whenever we hike back home from school

Sorry to hear about your childhood though. I hope you're making great memories now that you're in adulthood.

>>86048321
>provided you don't act the fool.
But that's the point, the fae can get mad at you for such a simple thing, and then everything goes haywire. They're helpful but also can be kind of unpredictable.

>>86047981
It's more that since it was a Victorian story it must be a Victorian morality tale where keeping your childish wonder and not growing up to be a proper stuffy adult is badwrong and will make your mother cry

which I mean, there's some truth in that but tbqh it's incredibly amazing that Barrie was 'progressive' enough to not demonize the concepts of whimsy and play wholesale

If you do any research on Victorian mores and practices you'll note that they had a strong tendency to try to treat their children as if they were tiny adults and they SHOULD BEHAVE AS SUCH.

"Children should be seen and not heard" is some prime Victorian horseshit.

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>>86048169
Probably influenced some fae story

>>86048482
for comparison look at Alice in Wonderland where everyone in the fairy land is a fucking lunatic at best if not a sociopathic bloodthirsty tyrant outright and where, if you do some research you'll find the whole book is basically a stealth fuck you to, specifically, mathematicians and other scholars who were willing to try to look at things beyond THE WAY WE'VE ALWAYS DONE THINGS

THEY'RE ALL CRAZY

MAD AS A MARCH HARE

>>86048482
I don't disagree whole sale but the idea of 'childhood' and 'children are innocent' was something the Victorians started promoting.

For all the shit they put children through with the child-labour, it's also the age where orphanages and public schools took hold in Europe.

The idea basically was that because they where innocent, children where born good and learned evil when they became adults.
Peter Pan is quite subversive in that regard.

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>>86044300
I like how 2003 Peter Pan referenced Hook's love for Eton with his tattoo of the college's crest.

Probably an unpopular opinion, but I think the 2003 Peter Pan movie is hugely underrated. The acting is solid, and I think Jason Isaacs' portrayal of Hook is flawless. It's fun visually, and the soundtrack is beautiful.

0:40 gives me chills every time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xbg6g8xlbjo

>>86049201
It's got me by the nostalgia but I do think it's a genuinely good film. Honestly I think it's better than the Disney version.

And I really like how they did the 'I do believe in fairies' scene. I don't care if it's cheesy, it's one of the most memorable scenes in the play.

>>86049201
It's good. It got buried by Return of the King but they were insane to go head to head with it.

>>86045969
Sounds like that author read George McDonald