Creators that hate their fanbase.

They kinda deserve it

>>86005727
Not really, they're no different than any other overzealous fan bases,

>>86005761
That doesn't change the fact that they deserve it.

>>86005678
Vazquez pissed away all his talent
Feels bad man

>>86005761
>they're no different than any other overzealous fan bases
Yes. Yes they are.

One time, back in, say, 2002, I IM'd Jhonen Vasquez through AIM, back when everybody had one of those.

He blocked me.

>>86005678
I really like how Vasquez waited for Zim's awful fanbase to die out before doing a continuation.

>>86005967
Proto-Kamiya

>>86005678
Are you one of those fans? How does it feel to be hated?

>>86005678
Marvel comics

>>86005761
>they're no different than any other overzealous fan bases,

Overzealous fan bases deserve concentration camps.

Steven Universe. I know nothing about the show, but from what I've seen, the relationship between the creators and the fans is basically the creators telling the fans to take a chillpill.

>>86007211
Nah, the crewniverse (Yes that's what they're actually called) say they appreciate fans pretty often

Homestuck. There, I said it.

>>86005678
Can you really blame him? Im sure alot of them are legit crazies and weridos who want to cum in his ass. If your respectful to him and act like a fucking person im sure hes atleast somewhat nice.

>>86005978
just asking, how terrible this fanbase is? I heard it is pretty bad, but to what extent?

>>86005761
that's exactly why they deserve it.

>>86007382
just a bunch of meme spouters and "lol im so CRAZY!!!" types

>>86007449
thanks.

>>86005678
Marvel

>>86007295
As with most fanbases, there are the good fans and the vocal minority. Unfortunately for Steven Universe, the vocal minority also happens to be the tumblrina regressive left.

>>86007310
The litmus test for Homestuck fans is asking them how they feel about Andrew. If they aren't passive aggressive in some way toward him they aren't worth your time.

>>86005678
Alex Hirch

>>86007310
Anyone with taste dislikes that fandom. Awful

>>86007534
Yeah but Hussie likely perceives has fans as WHITE-MALE CIS-PRIVILEGED SHITLORDS who are WAY PROBLEMATIC since he had a breakdown and went full leftarded sjw at some point associating himself with people like Zoe Quinn and his New England sjw-circlejerk buddies.

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>>86005678
Speaking of vasquez, look what i got today.

>>86005678

My sides just flew to the Andromeda Galaxy.

>>86006247
Nailed it.

>>86005678
Not true. That's more like his character.

https://m.soundcloud.com/nickanimation/episode-14-jhonen-vasquez-nickelodeon-animation-podcast

>>86005967
Boo fuckin hoo.

>>86007529
I don't think they are the minority tho. The whole fanbase of this kind of thing is shitty.
And that's not surprising because every person over 18 enjoying this can't be that good of a person.

>>86007529
>>86009439
The only regressives are degenerate conservative scum like you.

>>86005678
Anime. But i even when west anime fans are autists i think japanese otakus are much worse.

>>86009507

Not everybody is Miyazaki.

In fact, Miyazaki is the only one who is Miyazaki.

>>86009466
>not wanting to share cultures with outsiders is totally progressive
And that's just one example of how you hypocritical fucks aren't the future.

>>86007529
You mean the creators?

>>86005678
Vasquez is literally the Maynard James Keenan of cartoons.

>>86009691
But anon, i totally disagree with SJW retards on that. Im liberal, but it doesnt mean im a man hating femenist either.

>>86005929
What talent?

>>86009466
Yeah I'm sure of it, after all I'm not watching a kid cartoon about sexuality acceptance in my twenties.

>>86009828
Stfu you scum sucking prudish judgemental fuck. No one is obligated to "act their age" as stated by society ridged and arcahic laws.

>>86009507
not just otakus, many of anime fans are bad in general. Their shippers are mobs. I heard some of the fans burnt their manga collection just for the sake of their ships sank.

>>86009849
Yea they are.

>>86009890
No they arent. Said "rules" are outdated and followed only by brainless corperate slaves and degenerate goat fucking rednecks like you. Suck cow cock you fucking pile of shit!

>>86009922
No they're not.

>>86009922
But those rules have served us well and gotten us far as a society.

>>86009922
Whatever you say, fatass.

>>86009967
Theyve gotten us into a society full of pain that survives on the sufferring of its inhabitants. This ideal that because an idea is old it must be good is only used by unimaginative retards that dont deserve to pass along their genes!

>>86010038
I could break your fucking neck and make you cough blood, scrawny bitch!

>>86010042
>Theyve gotten us into a society full of pain that survives on the sufferring of its inhabitants.
Not really, no.

>>86010056
Your too much a fucking thick degenerate retard to see how unpleasebt and angry people are at the shit state our world is in. You backwards thinking fucks should all be shot in the fucking head!

>>86010067
Look man, if you're gonna troll you need to be more subtle. Quit with the constant exclamation marks.

>>86010067
No he's not.

>>86010074
I mean, for retard's first false flag it's a fair effort. I give the bait an 8 out of 88. No great fate, but it's better than going to masturbate.

>>86010055
>>86010042
>>86009922
>>86010067
>an edgy teen who hates corporations and threatens people over the internet

Corporations made 99% of the shit you own and you couldn't throw a punch, let alone break someone's neck.

>creates garbage that could only attract edgy idiots
>gets offended that it attracts edgy idiots
This is why I will never be able to take Vasquez seriously. I've read and enjoyed my share of edgy shit as a teen, but JTHM was too much even for me.
Squee is Vasquez' only good work, by the way

>>86010137
I could break your fucking face in, bitch. Corperations have no fucking right to charge outrageous prices and control us through this capitlist scam. Get raped fuckhead!

>>86005678
He said in multiple interviews that he appreciates the saner fans, so no, he doemst hate all of his fans.

>>86005761
>implying overzealous fan bases are okay
every fanbase is terrible, especially the edgy hot topic tier shits like the IZ fans

>>86010157
Yes they do.

>>86010167
Whoop I meant "doesn't."
That's what I get for phone posting.

>>86007382
Well, one of the fans went ahead and made Steven Universe.

>>86007534
>The litmus test for Homestuck fans is asking if they unironically like homestuck
Fix'd.

why did he even hate them so much

>>86010157
Not a fan of corporate culture myself, but this is dedicated to you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cSUvPgKwig

>>86010304
>get a job
Why do you think i hate corperate culture so much? I want a job, hell i think communism could never work. Its just modern capitlisim is flawed, and i lose it when people are so loyal and patriotic that we cant even complain about somethinngs. I dont hate all corporations either, i just feel like adults can still like kids stuff while still being adults.

>>86009852
But atleast one thing about i found enjoyment out of those otakus are shitstorms.

>>86005967

I e-mailed him about an apparent plot inconsistency in "I feel sick", He told me "I laugh at continuity; but today I laugh at you!" Apparently I'd gotten it wrong.

So he seemed to respond to total randos back when the fanbase was the sort of people who stick safety pins into bits of their anatomy and read Lovecraft stories at the 24-hour coffee shop.

I can only assume the sheer volume got fatiguing.

Can someone explain what exactly did Invader Zim fans/the creator of the show did wrong?

>>86009922
Go to bed Greg Mazujian

>>86010521
Twig arms has returned?

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>>86010561
Someone caught feelings.

>>86010561
No you wont.

>>86010561
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10CbKqShCJE

Wow this thread has gone completely off the rails.

No wonder all the show creators hate you guys.

>>86010826
Thats what you get when you get cum sucking troll bait retards like these
>>86010521
>>86010592
>>86010642
>>86010699
>>86010655

great thread guys

I am the only person on this fucking board who doesn't care about fanbases? I just want episodes of the shit I like, I always watch it alone anyway.

Weisman does a bit. But it's more his own fault since he insists on replying to everyone who tweets to him, and he gets sick of every other reply either being that he won't give out spoilers or that it's not up to him whether or not Young Justice comes back.

>>86009548
Or Anno, don't forget Anno.

>>86007382
Basically they're the same sort of people that Leto Joker was designed to try and appeal to. IE, Hot Topic misfits and "rebels".

>>86012105
And both are otakus. Miyazaki is plane/military otaku and it really shows.

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here was a time when popular writers could attend Comic-Con and meet fans without getting mobbed. That was starting to change by 1985, when Watchmen author Alan Moore attended his first and only San Diego Comic-Con.
Alan Moore does not go to conventions anymore. He came to Comic-Con one year that I wasn’t there, and [my husband] Don got to talk to him. And Moore said, “I can’t even go to the restroom.”

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>>86010433
>I e-mailed him about an apparent plot inconsistency in "I feel sick", He told me "I laugh at continuity; but today I laugh at you!"

Fucking amazing.

>>86008733
Man I really wish this and other episodes were longer but I suppose they'll run out of things to talk about. I don't mind the host but man it'd be dope if they did more episodes along the lines of having an entire cast on an episode something like that they did at SDCC but just letting them go

>>86005761
This. The DCEU Reddit page is just as bad.

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>>86010325
>Jobless fuck nobody will employ bitching about "the system" keeping him down.

Do you ever reflect on how much of a stereotype you are?

>>86010880
Don't get mad for calling you out twiggy

>>86005761
They're different, because they actually get what they deserve.
>>86005727

>>86005761
They were one of the earliest examples on the internet. They set the precedent.

>>86007586
Did he? I stopped reading during on of the mega hiatuses, can't be added to get back into it.

I would find it funny if he went full sinfest, a Tumblr sjw character would have actually made a pretty good troll archetype.

>>86014135
>I would find it funny if he went full sinfest, a Tumblr sjw character would have actually made a pretty good troll archetype.
There was one

>>86014199
Which one? I don't even fucking remember them thta much any more, but I don't remember a troll who got incredibly offended at everything everyone else said and blamed all of its problems in other people. Though I guess that may just be me making a character in my head. The one who was a detective/lawyer (Tereze?) It has been a while.

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It's an edgy cartoon made specifically for the Hot Topic crowd, with nearly everything associated with the series actually sold in Hot Topic. What the fuck kind of fans were they expecting to attract?

No shit a bunch of HIM heartogram wearing idiots and pseudo-juggalos who do nothing but spout Gir quotes every fucking minute are dedicated to the series.

>>86015342
It's the cartoon that created Hot Topic.

>>86005761
Overzealous fans only work for blood sports and that's it. Anything else and it's pathetic.

>>86015794
Hot Topic was around for a long time before Invader Zim.

>>86015342
B-but I like Him. There is nothing wrong with that.

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>>86016528
There's a lot wrong with that.....

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MLP staff's getting real sick of the bullshit

>>86016973

Tbh if I was a creator and I saw the kind of mundane shit you people get triggered over I would also start loathing you

Steven Universe crew literally had to go tell their fandom that killing a person is not okay and they even managed to be so shit one of the storyboarders had to leave twitter because of the fandom.

You literally can't compete, most fandoms are shit cause their autistic but these a legitimately horrible people.

>>86016973
The brony fanbase is one of the most hard to please and nitpicky fanbases out there.
Saying this as a brony

>>86017072
They still love their fans, especially Sugar.

>>86016973
I don't even understand that shit. If I stop liking a show I just drop it. What's wrong with these people?
I mean there were many shows I fucking loved the shit out of for years and it pissed me off when they became shit but the love just slowly dies with the show when that happens, there is no point in shitting on the creators not to mention that most of these hate posts are about mundane shit like a single episode that wasn't that good.

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>>86005678
Invader Zim is trash though. Trash created by another trash that is only love by other trash.

>>86005929
He had talent? He was more like a 1 trick pony that got lucky.

>>86017072
nah that was Zuke's own fault, she didnt put enough distance between herself and her fans from the start

also her fans were literally the worst of the fandom

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Pic related is Matt Wilson. He is one of the few legitimate examples of a creator who hates his fans. He abruptly ended his only real success and scrubbed the net of many of its ancillary materials, such as the wiki. And what's crazy is that he occasionally brings the characters back for special events without acknowledging that they used to be in anything.

>>86005678
And then it got brought back anyway.

But hey, at least Jhonen actually names the show in question. Matt vaguely alludes to it while saying it "stresses him out."

http://cartoon-drive-thru.tumblr.com/post/69699330291/10-years-ago-it-was-my-first-real-start-in

Seriously, he doesn't name Bonus Stage and he's really vague about why it ended, as though someone got shot because of him.

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>>86016973
I cannot imagine the kinds of shit the average MLP crew member deals with so often.

You know bronies have their names, pics, and addresses memorized so they can go ask them deep lore questions at the grocery store each week. And that's when they are not mailing them glitter covered kidneys and toes as signs of everlasting fandom.

>>86017239
Well she did get mad about a bunch of things a professional shouldn't care about like Europeans watching leaks or some shit. They wouldn't add anything to the official tv ratings even if they wanted to so why even give a shit. Whining on the internet attracts shitposters, nothing new.

>>86005967
Wow, doesn't want thousands of AIM alerts a day?

What a horrible man

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>>86017170
Because you are sane

>>86009439
Define fan base

I love his stuff. I'm not a dumbasses like you, you don't know me, lol

>>86010145
No mention of noodle boy?

>>86017420
If a single episode of Venture Bros. was shit after the constant quality they've maintained for years I would shit on the creators.

>>86015342
Nope

I still see people wearing invader zim merch and they're still horrible people, even over a decade later.

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>>86005678
There isn't a single creator who don't hate an aspect of his fanbase.


You guys have no idea how annoying it is having hundreds of people whatching your every move and thinking that they are entitled to your attention on every time of the day.

I say this as a creator.

>>86017556
This shit would make drive crazy. It' so fucking shit because it's awesome that you can talk to your favorite cartoon creators nowadays but thanks to assholes people tend to leave social media and I fully understand that.

I saw Jhonen Vasquez at a grocery store in Los Angeles yesterday. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything.
He said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?”
I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting me off and going “huh? huh? huh?” and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying.
The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Sir, you need to pay for those first.” At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter.
When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “to prevent any electrical infetterence, and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.

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>>86009852

>I heard some of the fans burnt their manga collection just for the sake of their ships sank.
Oh, you mean Rukiafags. Don't mind them.

>>86007534
>hating Hussie only passive-aggressively

I still think that HSG's greatest failure is not assassinating that hack.

>>86009439
Aren't most SU fans like 7 years old?

>>86017809
I don't even remember who this was about originally.

>>86010465
They were (are?) obnoxious children who shop at Hot Topic.

What's to like?

>>86017748
the thing about hirsch is that he was always trying to pick a fight with the wrong side. you could easily go after bill/dip pedophiles or incestfags but instead you focus all your hate on padippica or wendip shippers or trump supporters.

what a piece of shit.

>>86017295
This image still makes me mad.

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>>86010145
I feel sick was mercifully short and a pretty good read. The full color was a nice touch too.

>>86009852
You think that is bad? Some fans of manga burned and destroyed their manga because one of girls in that manga hinted she had boyfriend before MC and otakus got mad.

>>86010642
>>86013304
I could break your fucking arms.

>>86017736
Probably this. Most people don't have 100k twitter followers. They think every reply even when it's an insult is fun.

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>>86013323
We ALL get what we deserve.

>>86017736
I work in retail and everyone feels entitled to my attention and time and labour even though I am employed to perform a very specific task that 99% of the people who approach me do not intend for me to perform when they make demands of me.

>>86018482
Ever met a regular away from your work, and they still expect you to do things for them?

>>86017736
Girl filming this is hot, know who she is?

>>86009439

Yeah fuck you too, buddy

>>86013503
Not even close. You clearly don't know about the usenet forums from the early '90s - the depravity of the Tiny Toons fandom is literally what ended that show so early.

>>86013503
>>86018827
Also this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1W-wnh__DM

Saying Invader Zim was one of the first rabid online fandoms is woefully ignorant.

I think people believe they could influence the creators because they can talk to them on twitter. They just try being as annoying and pushing as possible and think it would somehow make creators do what they want.
There should be some guy who does the exact opposite, like making a pairing the annoying and big part of the fanbase doesn't like canon or some shit just to fuck with aggressive shitposters.

>>86018875

If that hasn't happened multiple times already I'd be seriously surprised.

>>86018827
Didn't some guy stalk one of the voice actors? Or was that an urban legend?

>>86019173
Yeah, some psychotic furry fuck from the online Tiny Toons fan community basically found Tress MacNeille's personal address and stalked her and sent her explicit letters about how much he wants to fuck Babs. She started fearing for her life and they ended the show because of it.

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>>86018482
Now multiply it by 500, and take in consideration that among THESE, there are a lot of people with tumblr and /co/ tier opinions bothering you every single time, and bad mouthing you if you dont give them your total and happy attention.

>>86018783
No idea, ther is probably some clue here:
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/trigglypuff

>>86007894
Oooh a chibi skeleton nice!

>>86007310
Is Homestuck worth reading? (As a wannabe creative type)

I was kind of drawn to it at first, it ticks a lot of little boxes I like, but I'm not a fan of the trolls aesthetically and the fact that they're a big deal (and the two words I'd probably use to describe Homestuck as a whole based on second hand inferences are "Long" and "Clusterfuck") makes me wonder if it'd just be a painful slog.

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We always have this thread and it's always complaining about the same autistic extremes in the same fanbase. Sonic, Homestuck, Zim, MLP, whatever.

I've got a question, what has the BEST fanbase? Because if there's a worst there's got to be a best, right? Or at least a least worst!

>>86019712
It isn't. It's a long road to nowhere.

t. 5 year fan

>>86019841
Major League Baseball?

>>86019979
Well it's better than other sports at least

Why are handegg fans so autistic?

>>86019841

Zero Escape seems to be a good one.

The keys for a work to get a good fanbase are substance over style, not appealing to autists and/or teenagers, not pandering overtly to any kind of SJW cause and not containing shipping/waifu bait.

>>86019712
is the one of the best things i've ever read and with that comes the biggest dissapointment i've ever experienced
i'd say try it and stop reading at the end of act 5, but that's pretty imposible

>>86019712
read it, if you don't like it then stop. I really liked it and thought it was pretty funny and stuff, but I only got partways through act 5 before I ran out of drugs and stopped, and I really love dark tower type multi-dimension recursion bullshit (it's not as good as dark tower obviously, they just hit a few of the same buttons).

i should really start up again but I'm having internet issues, wish there was a torrent or something

>>86019841
I'll propose Dwarf Fortress.
The UI, or lack thereof, tends to keep casuals out, and it's easy to mod if you care to.
There is the caveat that you pretty much have to be on the autism spectrum to figure out how to play it, but players are usually pretty chill.

>>86019841
The best fanbase is that which doesn't resemble a fanbase at all.

There's no singular identity, there's no 'them, those guys'.

Once it all starts to coalesce into something needing a label, everything goes to shit.

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>>86009548
>>86012105

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2011-07-05/ghibli-miyazaki-eva-anno-visit-quake-area-draw-sketches

>Both Miyazaki and Anno drew sketches of Totoro and other popular Ghibli characters. Suzuki noted that there were too many fans in line for Miyazaki give autographs by himself, so Miyazaki asked Anno to sign autographs underneath Miyazaki's Totoro sketches. Anno playfully noted that he had nothing to do with Totoro, but obliged Miyazaki's request.

It's like getting a rare picture of Sean Connery signed by Roger Moore.

>>86020296
I'd the say the DF fanbase is pretty mid tier. Bay12 is decentish is far as an online forum goes, but you can still find a fair bit of 'tism there and in other places. I've seen plenty of "epic df stories" that were embellishments at best and falsehoods at worst.
>>86020078
I'd say Zero Escape fanbase is decent because it is small and somewhat old. 999 is 7 years, VLR is 4, and ZTD is about 2 months old but discussion of it is basically dead.

>>86017256
what did he do?

>>86017239
>victim blaming

I'm telling tumblr on you, SU-fag.

>>86007295
Of course they'd say that, and you gotta admit that in any show there are fans that are okay, especially the kids/families. But you can easily tell that the crewniverse often sound exasperated with their tween fanbase. From stupid twitter questions to bullying, you can't blame them for sounding tired sometimes.

So now we hate Invader Zim. Good to know

>>86020112
I almost said to quit reading after the Scratch but it's pretty much impossible.

>End of Act 5
"AND THEY ALL LIVED HAPPILY EVER AFTER THE END"
>deletes bookmark

You may THINK it doesn't make sense, but it is better than what we got.

>>86012105
>>86009548

Neither of them really hate their fanbase.

I love how everyone interprets Miyazaki's words as hatred to anime fans. Miyazaki hates gun fans and people who can't stop using their smartphones and tablets. When he talks of otaku he is most likely talking of gun lovers.

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>>86020807
>gun lovers
Is there some aminu meaning to 'gun' that I'm not getting or is Miyazaki literally a gun grabbing liberal?

>>86017420
Fuck, I need to watch that episode again. So good.

>>86016973
Jesus christ, this is just sad and cringe-y. MLP is literally a show for toddlers. I'd understand if the criticism came from child psychologists and/or pre-school teachers, because that seems like a job for them. I can never take these bronies seriously.

I can understand criticisms and discussions for shows like Gravity Falls, SU, AT, Avatar, because it has stories for older kids, teens, and adults.

But MLP is literally Dora-tier.

>>86020789
I stopped at the Scratch and just read it as a neverending Sisyphean tale.

>>86019712
There a literal point where hussie quit working on the comic and it had to be ghost written.

>>86017736
What's the source of this gif? I have a bad feeling that lady with them eyebrows got attacked by tumblrites because of her reaction to the fat lady at the back

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>>86020897
He's a professional troll who literally does nothing but hatewank at the show staff.

Even the fans who agree with him hate him.

Also, no, it isn't Dora tier.

WE'RE WALKING THROUGH THE FOREST

WE'RE WALKING THROUGH THE FOREST

WE'RE WALKING THROUGH THE FOREST

>>86017874
Is this about Bleach? Cause I haven't read the comics for 10+ years now, and I'm glad to know that Ichigo ended with Orihime, and Rukia ended with Renji. That was always hinted ever since. Rukia and Ichigo always just felt like bros.

>>86018827
It's funny. Back when http://youtu.be/lNJ6dFwh8a4 aired, you have to wonder how many of the kids watching even knew what the internet was, much less knew about the existence of nitpicky usenet boards.

>>86018206
>because one of girls in that manga hinted she had boyfriend before MC and otakus got mad.
Jesus, I remember this story. It was that light novel about a shrine maiden, wasn't it? Waifufag got upset and burned all the books and other merchandise

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>>86007894
>>86005678
I was moving out of my apartment and found this wedged behind a box and used to fill up space. I had forgotten I had done that.

>>86020078
>>86020658
Oh shit I love 999. Kind of convoluted in the end, but I absolutely loved the journey.

>>86007295
Didn't one of the artists quit because the fans jumped on her ass for a perceived slight against their shipping of two characters? Doesn't sound like a healthy relationship, but that's what happens to SJW shit like that show.

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>>86019201
In fairness, the Reagan assassination attempt was only about a decade in the past then.

>>86021013
It's literally Dora-tier. It's a show for really young kids.

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>>86020073
>calls other people autistic
>uses the term "handegg"

>>86021077
>It was that light novel about a shrine maiden, wasn't it? Waifufag got upset and burned all the books and other merchandise
Which one was this? I assume there are like a few dozen harem light novels about shrine maidens.

> all these posts about fans angry about
>shipping
aka the cancer of any fandom

>>86017884
Bill Murray.

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>>86020334
Anno is such a wonderful beta.

>>86021026
>that I love Minerva poster
Hoo boy, did they know.

>>86021206
Person who unironically uses the phrase divegrass detected

>>86021206
Eurofags call football handegg because they cant stand that we dont care about kickball

>>86005678
Alex Hirsch without a doubt.

He regularly pisses on people who ship his characters on Tumblr.

>>86021298
>kickball
>not divegrass
Kickball is already a game, mate. Didn't you ever play it as a kid?

>>86021160
She deleted her Twitter because people wouldn't stop demanding she somehow make Lapidot canon.

>>86020334
Stan Lee has signed Deadpool stuff before doing basically the same thing

>>86021214
This one had the main girl as the shrine maiden, if I recall. I didn't read it or got into it, so I forgot the title, but I remember the character's face. Let me look it up.

My bad, it was a manga who then got a light novel. It's Kannagi.

https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=114957

I remember reading it back then and thought it was just so bizarre to have this reaction. Otaku are so weird when it comes to characters and idols. They're so possessive and entitled.

>>86021160
Yea it was with the mayor and Pearl

>>86021324
You mean dodgeball baseball?

idk why mangakas and writers do it. It basically let's you see your fanbase and have to deal with their criticism.

>>86021390
Kickball, yes.

>>86021131
send it to me.

>>86006247
One thousand percent.

>>86009466
>degenerate conservative scum

There's so much irony in this statement I think I might keel over.

>>86021337
I actually understand her decision.

>>86021013

If this Blerghhhh guy is the ''troll'' then the fanbase is just a bunch of pussys like expected

>>86021202
I'm not going to convince you, but it's more Sesame Street tier on that it's designed to be enjoyed by little kids and their parents.

The main target demographic is 5-10 yo girls anyways. Dora is for kids who are like 2-5.

>>86021339
Well, he has SOME association with Deadpool now, thanks to the movie.

>>86017295
>>86017962
This picture might as well have been designed in a lab by liberated Nazi rocket scientists to generate maximum anger in people born before the year 2000. It's that fucking effective.

>>86021460
I'm talking about Murrison.

Jim was series director at the time

>>86017962
I don't know what it is

>>86005761
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6r8H8aAoV6g
They asked him about the idea of being raped by them
They fucking deserve it

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>>86009922
You sound like a mature and well-adjusted individual.

>>86021468
>10
I have a 10 year old sister. I help with her studies (picking her up from school, talking to her classmates about group work, etc). It's definitely not a show for 8-10 year olds. At that age, kids try to seem cool and be grown-up. MLP is not something they will watch.

I'll probably not going to convince you too, since you seem to be a fan of the show. I have watched a couple of episodes back when the show got suddenly popular. It was literally pre-school-tier. Strawberry Shortcake, Dora, and the likes.

>>86015342
They were never going after the Hot Topic crowd and the show isn't edgy, it was an unfortunate side effect of people confusing dark humor for edginess and teenage girls who only liked GIR acting like that was the entire show. I don't even think Hot Topic sold IZ merch that had another character besides GIR on it for that matter.

>>86021427
>implying chicken fuckers that want to keep the world in the dark age of stunted morals and blind submission to authority arent degenerate
Are you legitimately retarded?

>>86021468
>It's not Dora-tier. It's Sesame Street-tier.
There's a difference?

>>86020985
Look here >>86019258
Fat activist attacking an event called "the triggering" about the dangers of a trigger-warning culture on campuses.

>>86021131
How much for it?

>decent show but with a cancerous fanbase

Is Invader Zim the Steven Universe of the early 2000's?

>>86021750
No, Steven Universe isn't even "decent".
Go back to your containment thread.

>>86019841
The group I've been hanging with on /v/ while discussing Nioh has been some of the best discussion and banter I've seen on this site in years
But the general rule is that the best fanbases are for the smaller, lesser known IPs, but not the ones that you would be afraid to have your family see you enjoying

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>>86021315
Which is great. Those people deserve worse than this.

Shipper = cancer

>>86021750
From a certain point of view, I'm sure someone would say yes.

>>86021733
>>86019258
Oh god, how did I miss this. This is beautiful.

>>86021750
That would imply that steven universe was decent to begin with, and not pure cancer thats on its way to replacing /mlp/..

>>86020852

Miyazaki is very anti-war, he got a lot of hate for The Wind Rises for being "anti-Japanese" because he didn't portray the Japanese as the heroes who saved Asia or something.

>>86021893
Ive only seen like two episodes of SU so I dont know about the overall quality of the show. I just know that the emo girls who grew up with IZ are now tumblrinas watching SU.

>>86021931
Miyazaki put a very realistic depiction of Japan at that time and the war, despite hating the war himself. He is a hero for that.

>>86017020

Underrated post.

>>86010521
>>86010642
>>86010699
>>86013304
Stop harrasing me and bullying me you dumb cunts. I stopped trolling ages ago, so fuck out of my life already.

>>86022086
Then maybe you should stop coming into threads throwing around threats like a fucking child then.

>>86022112
Then he wouldn't be a real /co/mrade. Acting like petulant whiny children is what /co/ is mostly known for.

>>86022112
Fine whatever, but i have a fucking right to a nonplpular opinion too.

>>86021893
>next /mlp/
It's not and never will be. It won't even reach AT levels of popularity.

It's actually just an okay show. It's both the rabid fans and haters that make the show seem really big.

>>86021931
anti-war, pro-feminism, AND vocally acknowledges Japan's war crimes when most of their history books just gloss over or outright ignore them.

Little wonder he's taken flak in a regressively conservative regime of gung-ho nationalists and moeshit animes that fetishize the military in every sense of the word.

>>86022144
Thank you

>>86022162
Whatever Jin, as long as you can express your opinions like an actual human being.

>>86005678
is he the andrew hussie of animation?

>>86009922
Ignoring social norms has gotten you far in life, I'm sure. Just keep playing with your Thomas the Engine toys and ignore what is considered "normal," brother

>>86022172
>moeshit animes that fetishize the military in every sense of the word

Anno is a huge fan of Strike Witches, I wonder how Miyazaki feels about hiw dear Kouhai

>>86021750
Zim is x1000 times better than SU so no.

>>86021750
Invader Zim was actually ok, so no.

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>>86021679
Motherfucker, you take that back.

>>86022233
Have fun going to work all for a paycheck that can buy you only a cheap hooker and a kick in the nuts, wagecuck

>>86021931
I haven't watched the movie, but now I'm really curious and interested. I'm happy that he has that kind of view regarding the war.

I live in the Philippines, and we were conquered here by the Japanese for a short while during WWII. Like any war, there were atrocities done.

People here don't really have bad blood with them in general. People are sane enough to understand that the war was not the entire country's or this current generation's fault.

But I've learned that WWII isn't really talked about much over there. I was also told not to mention stuff like that to them when I was touring Japanese students. I find that really insulting instead. I know it's a sensitive topic and awkward to talk about, but it was weird that we got warned ahead.

It's better to acknowledge the past to learn from them. I hope it's what Miyazaki portrayed.

>>86022172
>AND vocally acknowledges Japan's war crimes when most of their history books just gloss over or outright ignore them.
I now probably look up to him for this than his works.

>>86016973
Murrison's a fucking faggot. Apparently he's been pulling this shit since 2011.

>>86022280
>>86022245
You two have absolutely trash taste. Zim was literally "lolsorandumb XD" quantified. SU may be overhyped trash but at least it's fuckin cohesive.

>>86007211
They like their fans, they just wish the ones on Tumblr would chill the fuck out over inconsequential things.

And for other places like here to stop leaking stuff.

>>86022322

I havent watched it too but from what I have read it's about a man whose passion was used to make something horrible. It's somewhere in my backlog. It interested that it got so much hate in Japan for being anti-Japanese, but also got so much hate in Korea because people interpreted it as Miyazaki trying to portray the Japanese positively.

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not /co/ but I'm 100% sure the original writers of the SCP foundation die a little inside whenever someone says they unironically like 682 or the main doctors like clef.

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>>86022172
>pro-feminism
He's pro for the right kind of feminism, gotta admire him for that.
Everyone knows about the suicide rate, the shady shit with the yakuza, and the god awful birth rates in Japan, but the way they treat their girls is awful there.
>idol groups
>schoolgirls are fetishized beyond belief
>not just 2D, 3D girls too
>jap men expect way too much out of real women because they're too lost in their waifu to realize it's okay for a person to have flaws
More japanese media should be pro-feminism, they really need it there.

>>86022428
Go make another 5 generals.

>>86017556
I never understand why people think getting blocked by somebody is a badge of honour to boast about.

Like, I see people draw attention to it in their Twitter profile blurbs.

Be constructive about something in your lives you little shits

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>>86022486
>lizard alien thats constantly exposed to harmful chemicals and ither killing methods for the foundations experiments
I understand hes a homicidal creature, but for fuckssake he even doesnt deserve all that.
TFW i had to look up what SCP 682 was, because i rememberd him as the lizard creature

>>86022537
I actually do like his reason for making Chihiro in Spirited Away. His female characters give a sense of wonder and adventure to little girl viewers. It shows little girls that there are things other than vapid, superficial interests.

>>86019841
I don't know about best, but Moral Orel threads have pretty good discussion and debate once they actually get going.

Getting them started is the hard part.

Not /co/ but The Sopranos threads have pretty good discussion sandwiched between the gabbagool memes and quotes.

>>86020897
It's above Dora tier, but the simplistic moral-of-the-story shtick places it firmly in the "for little kids" territory. At least it stopped hammering the moral in with the letter to Celestia stuff about two seasons in.

The world and creatures do allow for SOME discussion, but discussing the morals... eh, it's about as pointless as discussing Charles Xavier's wheelchair color.

>>86022537

If you like Miyazaki works, maybe you will like Sayo Yamamoto works, specially Michiko e Hatchin.

She never says a thing of being feminist or whatever but the way she writes adult woman is pretty good. It's the adult equivalent of Miyazaki.

>>86017256
I with he did follow through with his Mark an tony series. Atleast he's E3 shorts are good.

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>>86022644
Most of his main characters are made to show little girls that there's a lot more to life than just being a pretty face and a good housewife, and I love it.
>>86022705
I caught it a couple times when I was watching The Intruder II with /co/, I've been planning on giving it an actual watch after I finish up Gunslinger Girl. I should probably end off Gunslinger Girl sometime soon, I really like the premise of Michiko.

>>86022428
>Zim was literally "lolsorandumb XD" quantified.
This was pretty fresh at the time and IZ actually pull this type of humor off without being cringey like so many imitators to come afterwards.
>SU may be overhyped trash but at least it's fuckin cohesive.
So? It's still boring as fuck and looks like it was made for pre-schoolers.

>>86021468
>it's more Sesame Street tier
Sesame Street is a normie institution because multiple generations grew up with the program. It's something that adults can look back on fondly as their kids learn the same meaningful lessons they did.

FiM is a hi-fructose show with the primary purpose of increasing consumer demand for a set of Hasbro toys. Adult fans usually watch this show to feel a sense of belonging with others while absorbing kindergarten-tier schmaltz with inconsistent messages paraded as educational, with the occasional pop-culture bone thrown in for caretakers who end up having to be in the same room as the little kids watching it. It will never be accepted by the status quo as something adults should watch.

>>86019841
Classic DOOM has a good fanbase.

>>86022705
>Michiko e Hatchin.
Fucking kek, brazillian here, that show is BRAZIL - THE SHOW

>>86021131
What is that disgusting thing

>>86022825
This. You could even classify Aqua Teen as "lolsorandumb", but that's loved en masse by /co/, for good reason, because it's a great show.
Zim did have "randumb" jokes, mostly with Gir, but it still managed to be fun, and the little, itty bitty story crumbs were gripping, at least for me. Wish they did more of those.

>>86022819
I have nothing against having pretty faces and being a good housewife though. I don't think those are bad things. But I get what you mean, in terms of Japanese society context, I think.

From what I remember, a friend's daughter was taken to summer camp, and all she wanted to do was stay inside her room and read pre-teen comics and magazines. She was disinterested on exploring the place or being outside. So he molded Chihiro to be something that would hopefully inspire kids to explore and do things.

>>86022825

> IZ actually pull this type of humor off without being cringey like so many imitators to come afterwards.

As someone who adored it when it came out as a kid, rewatching episodes actually is somewhat cringy.

I think SU gets more hate than deserved because of both popularity and appeal to Tumblr. Keyword being "deserved"; I don't think anyone denies there's stuff to criticize it for.

>>86020897
>Jesus christ, this is just sad and cringe-y. MLP is literally a show for toddlers.
>I can understand criticisms and discussions for shows like Gravity Falls, SU, AT, Avatar, because it has stories for older kids, teens, and adults.
>But MLP is literally Dora-tier.

Well no, you see, it supposed to be that. But as the bronie thing came into existence producers started to flirt with them (all the references and fannon insertions and shit). Thus they virtually raised the audience age and narrowed the demographic. If the bronies existed without this type of acknowledgement they would be just another sad escapists who transport their reality into a childrens cartoon and your argument would be valid. but this relationship is interactive. there is a dialog between the producers and bronies. Bronies are still often sad escapists, but you cant full blame it on them since their condition is actively nurtured and maintained. As a result the criticisms they raise aren't entirely unfounded.

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>>86022875
>It will never be accepted by the status quo as something adults should watch.
This. Thinking it's on the same level as Sesame Street is hilarious.

>>86007547
>>86021315
literally the creator that loves his fanbase the most. that cipherhunt and all the backstory and expanded universe he gave after the end of GF was a gigant cum tribute to all of us

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>>86021605
I'm not personally upset

>>86023216

the only thing that makes me mad is how people over-reacted at this

>>86022236
the same he's always felt for his juniors, disappointment.

>>86022555
Go look up "provocateur". We'll wait.

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>>86023065
Oh, no, I didn't mean being a housewife was a bad thing, or having a pretty face was a bad thing. You can still be a housewife and have plenty going on in your brain, definitely the same with a pretty face.
>But I get what you mean, in terms of Japanese society context, I think.
That's what I meant; like how a lot of FoTM anime depict their girls as everything the typical NEET wants in a woman:
>no standards
>good at cooking, cleaning, everything a typical housewife does
>absolutely submissive; never stands up for themselves
>'pure'
It's why you tend to see the anime community (/a/ included, especially /a/) in uproar, whenever a favored character makes a slight hiccup, or a mistake. Remember when some idol girl in Love-Live (i think honoka) was revealed as "unpure", and the community had a gigantic fucking shitstorm over it?

>>86019841
Of the big ones I'd say the Touhou fanbase is one of the better

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>>86023736
It's great, for how massive it is, but it's got it's dark, dark corners.
Like the yukkuri, and a few morbid, but good fanworks.

>>86023805
Yeah there's a few bad apples hurr hurr but they are mostly respectful of the creator, create lots of high quality content, and now that Touhou is not as huge as it was in 2007 they're mostly chill.

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>>86010042
>They've gotten us into a society full of pain that survives on the suffering of its inhabitants
God bless the economy!

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>>86023899
>and now that Touhou is not as huge as it was in 2007 they're mostly chill.
And that's a good thing. Especially with characters that used to be literal, actual memes, like Cirno and Flandre. Now they're being more developed in the fanworks instead of being walking comic relief, it's a joy to see.

>>86009922
The brainless corporate slaves are what make your electricity and computer possible.

If you want to change the world, first appreciate and master your understanding of the current systems and then change it from there. Be like Picasso.

>>86022162
You're certainly entitled to whatever opinion you want Greg. But you certainly aren't entitled to make empty threats on the internet. I know you won't listen or maybe not even hear what I have to say. Probably because of the twigs in your ears.

>>86024324
He's just mad that he got fired from his job at TRU for sperging out at customers.

>>86007146
So all of /k/ and /pol/.

>>86019712
It's a worthwhile trip. You will find it weird and condusing, then cool, then awesome, then amazing with some weird pauses in between, and then when you think it couldn't get any better it begins a slow, multi thousand page long decline (with many high points within) that slowly breaks down into absolute bullshit.

>>86024868
Acts 2-4 are the golden age of Homestuck.
Everything after that is just a steady decline.

>>86017809
This is never not funny.

>>86022537
>jap men expect way too much out of real women because they're too lost in their waifu to realize it's okay for a person to have flaws
Honestly this doesn't bother me so much because it lowers the investment in real relationships.

But waifus should only really be a transitional step away from thirsty betahood, they shouldn't outright supplant women as an object of idealization. Really, they're just best for meeting sexual desire, human desire is best left to finding platonic relationships.

(The ideal end situation essentially correcting what /r9k/ would call the sexual market imbalance by equalizing scarcity for both sexes by removing the "white knight" sort of guys by making them realize they don't need sex - it's just sort of nice, and in turn generally giving a more amicable relationship between sexes. This also has some advantages for women despite lowering their value because it means less creepy desperate guys.)

It's a shame so many people are caught up in the superficial womanhood part of the whole thing, so you've just got shit like strike witches (gotta have girlz girlz girlz) instead of say something about proper airplanes flown by proper pilots instead of panty-shot machines because there's constant fanservice instead of a more structured divide between fap material and entertainment.

>>86024951
>>86022537

>jap men expect way too much out of real women because they're too lost in their waifu to realize it's okay for a person to have flaws

Both are at fault. Otome is bigger than ever in Japan. And a lot of women have given up men for their husbandos. Men get a lot of shit but media directed to women to fulfill self-insert fantasies is as plentiful.

>Honestly this doesn't bother me so much because it lowers the investment in real relationships.

What do you mean?

>>86025035
>Both are at fault. Otome is bigger than ever in Japan. And a lot of women have given up men for their husbandos. Men get a lot of shit but media directed to women to fulfill self-insert fantasies is as plentiful.
I suppose that's true. It tends to come up less on 4chan for obvious reasons, and I must comment that large swathes of what I say are based on that experience. (Though I'm not a total autist who's never left the house, my primary annoyance comes from those types instead of from "Chad" who's out having sex.)

>What do you mean?
Men who're genuinely content with their waifu, or with watching documentaries about palm trees and fapping once a day (Herbivore male) are ideally not desperately seeking out a girlfriend at any cost, with the resultant negative effects of that behaviour.

>>86009466
>scum

>>86021750
Well, if Invader Zim didn't exist then Steven Universe wouldn't exist so I suppose in a roundabout way Zim is worse because it birthed cancer.

>>86021750

Zim wasn't as good. This is from a hardcore fan of it back when it came out. Looking back it really was lolrandumn, average-at-best kid's stuff

>>86021298
Amerifats cannot tell what the fuck a football is so they mistakenly name some unkickable brown monstrosity that. Then proceed to kick it never.

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>>86021567
get mad

>>86025499
>Then proceed to kick it never
HEY! We kick it all of like 20 times in a game.

>>86022537

>jap men expect way too much out of real women because they're too lost in their waifu to realize it's okay for a person to have flaws

Isn't Japan's problem one that goes a bit both ways, in that Japanese women have a much higher expectation of how much their husband should be providing for them, tying into the frankly insane Japanese work ethic?

>>86010249
this

>>86005678
Miraculous ladybug creator towards felixfags.

>>86025566

see >>86025235

Also nowadays it's not about what men can provide. A lot of women want to go college and have jobs that aren't "office lady" or inherently feminine jobs like nurses and teachers. Japanese men are too deep in the idea of yamato nadesiko and that they need to protect their girls, but nowdays women aren't seeking to be pampered.

Stalking and overprotectiveness from husband/ex-husband it's a huge issue in Japan.

>>86021160
She quit Twitter, not the show.

>>86019841
memphis rap

>>86023088
I actually thought it was better than I remembered. There's definitely "lolsorandumxd" bits here and there, but more often than not the jokes came from setups, the characters, and/or surrealism played for laughs.

I don't like Vasquez's style but I think Zim mostly worked, probably because he was challenged, he had other writers, and they had to work within the constraints.

>>86007529
Shit like that makes me embarrassed to be a progressive. You don't tell someone they've fucked up by bullying them into suicide.

>>86009922
>>>/pol/

>>86010157
And threatening people over the internet is going to help your cause how exactly?

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>>86021567

>>86025712

Yeah, I mean, I'll never hate it, but I think there's a good amount of rose-tinted glasses vs. "it's popular so it sucks" going on with people comparing IZ and SU.

>>86016973
When will /mlp/ die?

>>86017556
>all that shit mocking him for getting cucked
Why are people so infested in his damn life?

>>86021567
I was born well before the year two thousand, and I'm perfectly fine with it. It's literally shithouse grafitti.

In fact, I can't understand why it makes people upset beyond being autistic weeaboos.

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>>86025817
Any day now I'm sure.

>>86023399
Nobody anywhere ever gave a fuck about the wall or even knew it existed whatsoever until 5 minutes after this image was posted here a year ago. Then all of a sudden you had animefags talking about the "integrity" of street art and how artists are supposed to respect another's work etc etc.

>>86019258
God, I swear if I start a comic I'm going to create as much distance from my fans as possible. Separate email, locked comments after a certain amount of time, no using my name. This shit is terrifying.

>>86019841
Those mapmaking groups that make the neat maps of fantasy worlds. They're always pretty fun.

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>>86024503
To be fair those customers did not know the difference between Shockwave and Soundwave. They deserved the nerd rage bitchrant they received. Certainly they shall never make that mistake in the future.

>>86022172
He's based in my book. Anything that fucks up Japanese /pol/ is good.

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>>86022486
>SCP 682
I liked 682 because it reminds me of one of my favorite D&D monsters.

>>86024951
Honestly this can be applied to most countries if you replace anime with porn.

>>86025886
What's the significance of the petard?

>>86005678
someone explain. i was never involved with the fanbase and used to watch the show.
give me a summery

>>86026965

Once a fan sent him a mail asking if Zim had penis

>>86026965
You know all those things some fans do that would make you cringe if you pictured doing them yourself but you let slide because it's someone else and "Hey that's just something fans do, I've seen it before."?

This is the fandom that made those cringey things widespread and 'acceptable' among those kinds of fans.

>>86017556
>asking anyone to watch fujomatsu san
that fujowhale deserved it

>>86024735
Seems about right.

>>86022956

Yeah but adding Brutal DOOM to the mix has ruined everything. It's a shame too, because if someone who wasn't totally insane came out with a version of Brutal DOOM that was better coded, a lot of the controversy would be laid to rest. But there are people now who hate any sort of addon even remotely related to Brutal DOOM because of what that mod did to the community.

Guess he doesn't want the show to come back even if given the choice. Nick seems to be in reviving old shows even as a one off thing, with Arnold and Rocko's Modern Life.

>>86023805
>yukkuri
fwuffy pony

>>86028700

>what that mod did to the community

please tell me it isn't one of those "muh sekrit club kashuals out" situtations

>>86024474
My threats arent supposed to be empty. I just get fucking pissed at people and calling them weak fucks feels good. Why does threating people trigger you people so much?

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>>86005678

>>86028913
It doesn't trigger people so much as it makes you look like a drooling retard.

>>86028973
Goodpoint, thanks for giving me the "solid dick" anon

>>86028949
I don't know who this is but I already want to slap them

>>86019201
he's absolutely loony

>>86021315
>He regularly pisses on people who ship his characters
Good.

>>86029174
Kek

>>86029230
and now the show is done

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>>86029125

>>86029125
find a questionable content thread on /co/

you'll understand even better

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>>86021567
I'm a newfag what's the image?

>>86029313
see
>>86023216

>>86020679
Bonus Stage

>>86020679
Bonus Stage
And more recently, Deadly Space Action.

>>86019173
There was an obsessive fan. The shit about cancelling the show because of it is urban legend.

>>86028860

Not really, the problem is that Brutal DOOM brought in a ton of new fans who are convinced that Brutal DOOM is a straight upgrade to Vanilla DOOM and deem a lot of the explicit gameplay changes (replacing the pistol with an assault rifle, zooming iron sights, drastically changing enemy damage/hitboxes, etc.) as no big deal when in reality it makes some wads virtually unplayable. Combine that with the code for Brutal DOOM being an absolute mess, and it becomes very difficult for established wad makers to make maps Brutal DOOM-compatible. Add in the kiddies who demand that every new wad be just that combined with Sargent Mark IV being a bit of a nutcase, and there's a huge backlash against Brutal DOOM.

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>>86029411
I'm pretty mad.

>>86029847
Poor Toby. If only he knew what he predicted

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>>86025747
Everyone I don't like is /pol/.

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>>86029847

>>86029847
ah, blind optimism