4 years on and I'm still mad

kuvira didn't succeed

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>>85969459
>What went so terribly, terribly wrong?

Nickelodeon making Byrke do more than what they designed/wanted to. LoK was originally supposed to be a one shot TV special. Then Nick changed it to a TV series. Then Nick demanded another season. Then Nick demanded two more seasons before the second season was already in the later stages of production. If Nick had intended for it to be a 4 season show from the start, it'd probably be better because Byrke would've been able to plan shit out. But they didn't get that luxury, so they gave what they could.

For what it's worth, at least we got S4 Korra for maximum cuteness.

>>85969579
But the first season was shit and the third was the best. Explain that.

>>85969470
This.

Of all the bullshit the series had, and there was a fuck ton of it, this shit was the most bull. Not even necessarily that she didnt win, but that she fucking gave up thanks to some retarded forced sympathizing.

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>>85969617
>But the first season was shit

Because it was originally intended to be a TV special. They had to take what they had and make it longer.

>the third was the best. Explain that.

Because they wrote seasons 3 and 4 in one go. They probably had a bit more time to write out season 3 because they needed it to also set shit up for season 4. And also because season 3, I think, utilized alot of unused ideas from TLA.

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>>85969459
>4 years
A-already?

>>85971028
Time flies anon.

>>85971028

It honestly feels like yesterday.

My opinion was that following the success of ATLA, certain individuals of certain persuasions and agendas hijacked Korra as a vessel for propaganda of a certain kind.

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>>85969459

>>85969579
the problem is Bryke had too much creative control. like most idea guys, they needed a dour Accountant type to rein them in a bit.

>>85973022
are you fucking stupid

>>85971686
Nigga you sound like Chris-Chan blaming all of his problems on homos and internet trolls

>>85973042
Nick needed to attach a suit to the production team so he could veto all their stupid ideas and force them to develop the ideas and characters they already introduced. one of the biggest flaws of the show is that it keeps introducing new characters, concepts, and gimmicks that never get properly developed or integrated into the story, and the only solution Bryke were ever able to come up with was to push the older stuff to the background and introduce yet more new stuff

>>85973268
you sound like a little bitch mad at things he wanted to happen but didnt

>>85973414
i'm a businessman who hates to see a project founder due to poor supervision

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>>85973472

>>85969459
>older, more cringy teens
>not a direct continuation of aangs story
>really annoying teen drama subplots
>depressing to the point its not even enjoyable anymore
Did i leave anything out?

>>85973546
just like the other one

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>>85969579
Eh, I never really dug the new hair. It's not bad, but her old hairstyle made her stand out more, plus she could let it down for maximum sex hair.

>>85971686
Nah, that was just Bryke scrambling to give their satisfying conclusion some semblence of satisfaction to the only people who cared at that point. There was no agenda; they just suck so they used the lgbt card to save their underwhelming finale.

>>85973651
the only place that hates this show are some of you idiots like OP now fuck off and stop shitting up avatar threads

>>85973573
The other avatars drama was enjoyable, still funny during the depressing bits, and didnt show characters weve loved since we were kids age and die.

>>85969617
>But the first season was shit and the third was the best.
Up until the finale Season 1 was best.

>>85974069
season 1 was fine until they went all-in on the shipping drama and it never recovered

>>85969579
>LoK was originally supposed to be a one shot TV special.

>Because it was originally intended to be a TV special.

No it wasn't you autist. At the beginning Nick said "Give us one season of Korra and an animated special based off of the search for Zuko's Mom".

They were in development of both and then Nick said "nevermind, cancel The Search movie and make a second season of Korra"

Then when they saw how huge a success the first season was, they ordered seasons 3 and 4.

Then the show got too hard to animate so the animators went on strike which delayed the second season and then when it was finally read Nickelodeon NEVER advertised it and forced it to online only after the viewership plunged after not advertising the third season either.

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>"I'M THE AVATAR AND YOU GOTTA DEAL WITH IT"
This shit was dead on arrival

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>>85974558
But that was the best line in the whole show.

>>85969459
>What went so terribly, terribly wrong?
It wasn't even that bad. Not great, and arguably not even good, but lots of people on /co/ can't enjoy things despite their flaws.

>>85969459
>4 years on and I'm still mad

Get help

>>85975440
co is the only place where LOK gets full on hated. It is genuinely fucked that they are legitimately autisitic about it.


Like jesus christ find a middle ground somewhere, it had good shit too.

>>85973546
>not a direct continuation of aangs story
thank god
They would've ruined aang and the gang

Is Suyin ever gonna get called out for being a shit sister and a worse adopted mother? Please have her get her just desserts in the comics.

>>85969459


Nothing. It was a good series.
It just wasn't as good as avatar

>>85974219
Weren't the animators Studio Pierrot from Japan and Studio Mir from Korea? Did they really go "on strike" or are you just bullshitting?

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>>85974558
>>"I'M THE AVATAR AND YOU GOTTA DEAL WITH IT"

>>85975525

>it had good shit too.

The porn was the only good thing about Korra. Though that legacy has exceeded the show's.

>>85975525
>co is the only place where LOK gets full on hated.
More like /co/ and tumblr are the only places it's even discussed. Discussion about Legend of Korra died down halfway through the show's airing, and only built back up again at the book 4 finale... and then promptly died down again.

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>>85976075
The strike shit is bullshit but he's right about the other stuff.

And yeah, Pierrot animated the first half of Book 2(though i think at some point Mir stepped in and "helped" them not look as shit) while Mir did Beginnings and beyond.

Book 2 was delayed because of the animation studio change(Mir didn't want pwople thinking Pierrot's work was theirs and or hurt their own reputation) and because Bryke had to develop a story from concepts they had laying around from ATLA after Nick told them "hey you're getting more seasons"

>>85976524
Reddit, Avatarspirit, and a few other places discuss the show too.

What was this show animated in as far as frames per second? Am I the only one that felt that Avatar has always been choppy and animated at like 20 fps or what?

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>>85977584
According to the encodes I have:

ATLA - just under 30 fps

Korra - 23 fps

>>85975884
>It just wasn't as good as avatar

Better finale, though.

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>>85976323
a man after my own heart

>>85969459
It was alright, just not as good as AtLA. Most people think that way as well.

AtLA 9.2 > Korra 8.6 ratings

>>85969459
Aaron Ehasz was not involved

>>85978001
This.

>>85978001
This.

That dude and his wife are both fucking legends.

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>>85977584
>>85977779

I don't want to fuck your shit here, but 20fps would still be pretty damn good to be animated at.

For reference, this opening was animated at a full 24fps: https://youtu.be/kvOLcpykdbc?t=59s

and the effort clearly shows at 1:00 in. So considering how choppy LoK often looks, it must've run far under 24.

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>>85976415

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>>85978328

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>>85978591
Then maybe they just suck balls at their job. I don't know what to tell you. I'm just telling you what I do know.

>>85976323
>>85974558
How's it feel, being so easily turned off from something?

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>>85978678
Maybe your eyesight is bad. I've never had any issue with Korra's frame rate.

>>85978776
Feels good.

>>85976737
tumblr doesn't discuss it anymore only reblog old posts with no input. Even the art has slowed to less than a crawl.

The chan boards like hate it. The avatar board on plus4chan is dead. And Avatarspirit is the kid friendly forum and everyone who liked it left.

>>85978842
I almost solely watched anime as far as animated shows go and literally the first episode of ATLA I noticed the choppiness. It continued into Korra as well. There's no way I'm the only one.

Maybe my eyesight is so used to 60 FPS from playing all that vidya but there's no way Avatar didn't cut corners as far as frame rate is concerned.

>>85979077
Most if not all TV shows in the west run at 24 frames per second. It's also standard movie framerate. Don't assume higher=better, this isn't a video game. A lot of people got motion sickness when Peter Jackson went around trumpeting High Frame Rate movies, and they were shot in 48 FPS.

>>85979182
I'm not saying higher = objectively better. There are more factors that go into animation obviously.

I'm just saying watching Avatar felt choppy as fuck compared to a lot of other shows/games and there's no way I was the only one who thought that.

We shouldn't still be having this thread.

How long are you going to keep doing this? 10 years from now are people still going to be talking how much they hate Korra? How much wasted potential and unlikable characters litter the whole thing? The show was, at worst, mediocre, meanwhile actual dogshit shows get free passes along with generals and devoted autists making 5 threads a day.

>>85979257
As your post says, the wasted potential is what really drives everything.

No one brings up other shows like Planet Sheen, Sumo Duper Sumos, and the like because you look at that or the premise and that's it, it's nothing to write home about at all. Also most other dogshit shows fall under comedy instead of action/adventure with drama and comedy as well.

It's like talking about food from a fast food chain making you sick (actual dogshit shows) versus some chef prepared food in an upscale restaurant (the successor to AtLA built on top of the foundation already set down.)

>>85969579
>Nickelodeon making Byrke do more than what they designed/wanted to
they didn't know that ATLA would be 3 seasons either.

>>85980131
Bullshit

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>>85979257

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I consider Korra to be a really good show, probably in the top ten of western animation of the past decade, but two things really bug me about it:
1)
>Lavabending.
A lot of the writing seemed insistent on showing itself up with introducing cooler and better bending abilities as time went on, but this was the most blatant shark jump. Earthbenders controlling preexisting lava is fine, but turning rock to lava requires creating heat through your bending, which would be fine, if there weren't an entire other bending style for JUST that. lava bending should require both earthbending and firebending and be something only the avatar can do.
2)
>This thing
Speaking of shark jumps. They expect me to believe this? First, there's no way there's this much platinum in their country. There shouldn't be this much platinum on their planet! And this whole thing is controlled by a single metal bender, with enough articulation to not only walk around but fight like a person? Bullshit. You know how hard it would be just to have that thing remain standing up? Their world is just scratching steampunk level of technology, and they'd need more computing power than we have in the real modern world to pull this off. It's also pointless. The giant laser is the whole point, which is fine. But they could have just put in on a giant mobile tripod. It would be much more stable, use WAY less platinum, and most importantly, have been possible.

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>>85980435
> top ten of western animation of the past decade

if only this actually meant something

>>85979077
>I almost solely watched anime
Then you should be used to single digit frame rates.

>>85980435
i remember when i first saw the mecha scene i closed the player and deleted the episode archive out of rage

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>>85980435
1) All they're doing is vibrating the particles in the earth, making them heat up. It's similar to how waterbenders can make ice.

2)

> First, there's no way there's this much platinum in their country. There shouldn't be this much platinum on their planet!

You're assuming the Avatar world has a similar distribution of resources and metals as Earth.

>And this whole thing is controlled by a single metal bender, with enough articulation to not only walk around but fight like a person? Bullshit.

Why? They seem to have no trouble with any of the other mechs in the show.

>Their world is just scratching steampunk level of technology, and they'd need more computing power than we have in the real modern world to pull this off.

Not really, they have bending instead.

> You know how hard it would be just to have that thing remain standing up?

Not very, considering it, and all other mechs, stand up just fine.

>>85979077
anime is animated in twos though

>>85979257
Korra actually tricked us into giving a shit.

>>85973712
But korra blows from start to finish. It would have been better if they kept the old writers who fixed the shit out of their terrible hackneyed writing.

>>85981180
But they do a better job of hiding it

>>85969579
Korra was planned to be a 2-season thing at the start.

Then halfway in they got told they probably won't get a second season, and they had to completely rewrite Amon's ending at the last second, since he was supposed to be the villain of both seasons. Season 1 would end without the "he's really a water bender" shit and he'd get bailed out of trouble by spirits, revealing he was in fact chosen by them.

>>85981322
Considering how shit season 2 was, that sounds like we dodge a bullet. It would have ruined amon even further if that was possible.

>>85981322
What crevice of your ass did you pull that from? Korra was planned as a 1 season thing, a miniseries.

>>85981334
>>>/hr/2736954

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>>85974558

>>85980802
>they have bending instead.
So Kovira is completely controlling that whole thing with her bending? Why would she even need a robot then?
>considering it, and all other mechs, stand up just fine.
The other mechs are on treads, and move like clunky robots. It takes a LOT of very coordinated systems to keep a humanoid shape from falling over, especially at that height.

>>85969459
You never grew up and accidentally watched a series for adults.

sage

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>>85981732
>So Kovira is completely controlling that whole thing with her bending? Why would she even need a robot then?

Because the robot transports the laser cannon and demoralizes the enemy. As I said, it's part of ruling by fear. Plus, the height allows for a wider range.

The meteorite metal spheres are part of some machinery or system that controls any of the interior bits. There are some sort of control panels that the soldiers in the head with her use to control other systems.

>The other mechs are on treads

Not the ones in Book 4 in Kuvira's army.

>It takes a LOT of very coordinated systems to keep a humanoid shape from falling over, especially at that height.

In real life, yes. Not on the Avatar world or many Sci Fi/Science Fantasy worlds.

>>85981866
Actually, no. We grew up but mistook Korra for a series for adults.

It had edge, but not an ounce of emotional or intellectual maturity or competent storytelling.

>>85975649
It wouldve been great, fuck you

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>>85969459

>It's another ATLA nostalgiafags pretend Korra is the worst thing ever because it didn't meet their unrealistic expectations thread.

>>85981997
>Because the robot transports the laser cannon and demoralizes the enemy. As I said, it's part of ruling by fear. Plus, the height allows for a wider range.
Hence the better option of having it on a mobile turret.
>The meteorite metal spheres are part of some machinery or system that controls any of the interior bits.
Preciously, she's not controlling it with her bending, she's just using it to manipulate more controls than she has hands. That setup implies their giant robot can replicate human martial arts while being controlled by a set of 10 levers and 8 trackballs.
>There are some sort of control panels that the soldiers in the head with her use to control other systems.
which clearly weren't very important because she's dong it all on her own at the end.
Other sci-fi/sci-fantasy worlds have the benefit of having technology that surpasses our own. Avatar's world doesn't, by far. This robot was just way too far beyond anything they'd shown to be in the setting. It was doing kung fu when, with its world's level of technology, it shouldn't have even been able to stand up.

>>85982173
They could've just mount their cannon on an airship. Could be a nice callback.

>>85981997
>In real life, yes. Not on the Avatar world or many Sci Fi/Science Fantasy worlds.

Which completely breaks immersion. Fiction needs to be believable, if the rules in the story are not what they are in the real world, if they aren't what the viewer is actually familiar with, it has to be very clearly established what they are and what implications they have.

Breaking rules on the fly because you can is a sloppy story-telling. Compare the giant mech thingy to the Lion Turtle. Both come off as Deus Ex Machina but that mech is way worse because at least we knew going in that Spirits of varying power and influence are something that exists in this world. Sure it's a convenient way to introduce a total ass-pull, but at least it was established that that can happen.

There is no excuse for that mech.

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>>85982173
>Hence the better option of having it on a mobile turret.
That's a worse option. Not as much range, less fear factor

>This robot was just way too far beyond anything they'd shown to be in the setting.

No it didnt.

ATLA had a massive drill, tanks that can flip over, and airships.

Korra had treaded mechs get invented and evolve into ones that can walk. It had much better airships. It had better boats, it had planes, it had bullet trains and newer tanks. Technology advanced over the course of the series. The giant mech is not out of the realm of possibility for the universe.

>>85982201
Airship wouldn't be able to handle the kickback and would be seen as a cheap rip-off"instead of fire its a lazer beam"

>>85982305
But no rules were broken. The mech makes sense in the world.

>>85982145
Is Korra a good show on it's own?
If so, could you remove any and all references to the old show and have it be just as good if not a similar quality?

>>85969459
They couldn't make a zuko/azula/ toph tier character. They almost had em with kuvira, asami, and zaheer but fell short.

It's kinda galling how badly Vaatu and Braava were handled. The whole point of Yin and Yang being shaped together like a circle is that they're complementary halves to a single whole that make a single working unit. Like balance between work and play, day and night, aggression and patience, and fuck we already had this symbol in place with the Moon and Ocean spirits being push and pull.

But no, they change it to the bland western good and evil where both sides are trying to utterly suppress each other. And for being made of pure chaos, some how Vaatu can completely dominate all spirits around it but an Order spirit can't do the same.

And for christ's sake it was the moral of the season anyway! They spend the entire season painting Vaatu as pure destruction and evil and Order as good and kind, but the ultimate solution is to disrupt the established system of the world and open the portals.

Oh, and darkness is feminine in yin-yang symbolism so making Vaatu male is just SJW bullshit.

>>85982368
>That's a worse option. Not as much range
How would a turret of equal height have less range?
>ATLA had a massive drill, tanks that can flip over, and airships. Korra had treaded mechs get invented and evolve into ones that can walk. It had much better airships. It had better boats, it had planes, it had bullet trains and newer tanks.
and none of that is even CLOSE to the level of technology that mech would require.
>But no rules were broken. The mech makes sense in the world.
You're not getting it, that mech makes no sense in ANY world. At it's height, with it's footprint, and the weight of being fully platinum, it would sink into the ground.

>>85982387
Not really, but then, it's a sequel. Book 3 of ATLA wouldn't be as good if you hadn't seen book 1 and 2.

>>85980435
Do you have the same problem with waterbenders turning ice into water?

>>85969459
Season 2 was pretty bad and the end of season 1 felt rushed and like they wrote it to be self-contained one-shot story, which I think was their original plan at first.

Other than that, it was an excellent show that vastly surpassed ATLA in season 3 and 4. ATLA just happens to be the single most overrated cartoon show of all time and fanboys of the show are completely unable to acknowledge all the dumb shit their favorite show did, while they are examining everything LoK did badly under a microscope.

>>85982620
No. It can seem similar but removing heat doesn't encroach on the entire bases of one of the other bending styles.
And even the show itself treats then as different by trying to take the scientific route with lavabending, bringing up friction and vibration, but just never explain where the heat in the water goes and just write it off as bending magic.
I like that better, I'm fine with things just being bending magic, as long as it's the kind of bending magic that person should have.

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>>85982145
My expectations were it being good

>>85982620
>>85982742
I always sorta took it that a water bender can change the state of water but the temperature isn't altered much. Like they make ice but it's not actually that cold. In the same way they can evaporate water without it being scalding steam.
Probably the worst part about lava bending is that a main character learns it with no explanation. Lightning bending has a whole episode about energy paths and dividing opposing forces, Metal bending has both Toph and Korra learning about impurities in metal, but it's never once explained what Bolin is doing to lava bend, especially since he did it accidentally and there's no explanation as to what makes him unsuited for metal bending but great at lava bending. Fuck, they could have even just made it a new oncoming age of bending by making it a rare fusion of earth and fire due to his parents.

>>85973131
>>85973414
>>85973506

You sound like a feminist using shaming tactics instead of arguments

if it had a male protag, /co/ wouldn't be so mad

>>85983135
It would actually get a lot less attention.

>>85983135
That's true. But only because nobody would whiteknight for Korra the guy so hating the show would not be controversial and discussion would die.

Everything went from way up to way down and back again.

In sum, I think the show would have been glorious, had it not had two things:

>fucking blue korra and giant robots, holy fuck, stupidest things ever

And Korra.

Seriously, Korra was SUCH a bad character. Fine, forget the relationship stuff. In the end, with her getting with Asami, it kind of works out. But she is so ridiculously whiny and bitchy. The whole show just shows her being this tough, already fully powered avatar and then everyone beats the fuck out of her and she has to get others to bail her out. All throughout she's just whining, crying and shouting at the people hating her.

It's like season 1 ATLA wasn't the best and even characters like Sokka had very, very bad moments. Sokka was just comic relief a lot of the time, but when you look at the whole thing he was an amazing character.

Just my 2 cents.

>>85983723
when I think about it whilst everyone in ATLA (with the exception of Toph) had an arc and are noticeably very different from the start at the end, the only character with significant change seemed to be Korra and it only really happened in the last season.

>>85983758
Her arc was pretty shit though, to be fair. I mean, by that point she was already kind of dead as a character and they tried to revive her.

>>85980435
>both earthbending and firebending
Bolin's mixed race, he's probably got recessive firebending genes, could be the same deal with Gazan

>>85971686
It's literally the last 10 seconds of the last episode.

>>85971028
tell me about it

I still remember the /co/ threads for the first finale and the boat scene.

>>85983892
the whole 'break down her arrogance and aggression and build her back up as a good avatar' thing seems to be what they were going for from the beginning but for some reason they didn't actually manage to do it until book 4, it maybe would have been better if gaining some humility and patience was the reason that Korra was able to beat the last villain instead of just her getting the poison out of her system though

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I was recently rewatching Korra Book 2 because I haven't seen it since it aired and holy shit the finale is so much worse then I remembered.
It might be the stupidest thing ever animated.

>Korra frees Vaatu
>Korra manages to lose a fight against Unalaq who just became Avatar and could only bend one element
>the Avatar cycle is broken forever because of this and all the previous lives are lost

>both Unalaq and Korra become giant for some reason and have a Kaiju fight in republic city
>Korra is about to lose yet again because she is useless as fuck
>Jinora swoops in to save the day through unexplained spirit bullshit
>literally an asspull

>everyone congratulates Korra for saving the world even though she didn't do shit and the entire thing was her fault
>Tenzin even says that erasing the past Avatars including his father is a good thing

>Korra decides to leave the Spirit Portals open for no reason at all
>that will only cause trouble in the future

Seriously who wrote this? Korra is the most pathetic excuse for an Avatar ever.

>>85984065
But all they managed to have her do is get the fuck beat out of her so she wouldn't be arrogant.

I mean, fine, but it's not like she was that unlikeable that I enjoyed getting her rekt and destroyed and then saved by others all the time.

>>85975525
/co/ was just disappointed
it had all the hype during the first season

that was culled by the second season

but we have this at least
https://youtu.be/EzxYD9kR73s

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>>85984075
Oh, and let me remind you of Book 4 finale. It's remarkable how useless Korra is in the final fight.

>Asami, Varrick and Hiroshi design the mechas to penetrate Giant Robot armour
>Hiroshi sacrifices himself doing it
>Lin and Suyin disable the weapon
>Mako and Bolin destroy the Giant Robot

>meanwhile Korra has a short inconsequential fight with Kuvira
>through more unexplained spirit bullshit she accidentally creates another Spirit Portal
>in the spirit world she convinces Kuvira to surrender... even though Kuvira already lost

>Republic City suffered a lot of damage
>there's a giant Spirit Portal in the middle of it
>that's gonna surely cause some issues with the spirits
>good thing the citizens can count on their Avatar to help sort out this mess, right?
>lol nope
>she goes on vacation to eat pussy instead

How useless can one girl be??

>>85984062
aw fuck me too, now i'm sad

>>85984075

I liked Korra because she failed and made lots of mistakes. Rarely do we get a hero that doesn't always make the correct decision in the end.

>>85983723

>Seriously, Korra was SUCH a bad character. Fine, forget the relationship stuff. In the end, with her getting with Asami, it kind of works out. But she is so ridiculously whiny and bitchy. The whole show just shows her being this tough, already fully powered avatar and then everyone beats the fuck out of her and she has to get others to bail her out. All throughout she's just whining, crying and shouting at the people hating her.

the worst part about this is that the entire supporting cast always tells her what a wonderful amazing Avatar she is, that she can do no wrong and they always follow her no matter what
ugh

>>85984182
>Rarely do we get a hero that doesn't always make the correct decision in the end.
And Korra made the correct decision in the end. Or more precisely, the narrative bent out of shape to make her decisions correct, which is way worse.

>>85984182
but the problem is that nobody ever calls her out on her mistakes
everyone just acts as if she is this amazing Avatar who can do no wrong

also there is a difference between making a few mistakes and literally screwing up everything until the end

>>85969459
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1M20gHifSSw

If only it had been portrayed like this. Korra was not a bad show, but it also wasn't a good one. It was mediocre, and that's really what pisses off /co/ the most. Not the virtue signaling and homosexual panic pandering at the end, or the depressing Season 2 writing quality. At the heart of /co/s anger lies disappointment, because the potential was filled to the brim with an AtLA sequel.

>>85974558
I remember when I foolishly thought that Korra would start arrogant and naive, and undergo character development when confronted with reality of inequality.

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I remember chatting on forums like avatarportal 10 years ago, thinking how cool the future avatars would have been. Man...

>>85984466
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfbudPapIEg

Used to do that shit too man. Fanfiction, fanart, forums, the works.

Oh god I just remembered that all the past avatars are gone. I was really hoping they would get restored by they completely forgot about it. I like to pretend to think TLoK never happens. Only Wan was good, but Raava and Vaatu was terrible too

>>85984075

>overanalyzing a children's cartoon

Come on, just sit back and enjoy the fun. That kaiju fight was epic.

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>>85984538
This is /co/, that's sort of a trademark isn't it? Lighten up and let him over-analyze the shit out of it if he wants, he's not hurting anything and it promotes on-topic discussion.

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>Season 2 Korra
Has there ever been a more unlikable "protagonist"

>>85984521
>Korra dies prematurely, someone kills her while she's doing a heroic act
>New avatar comes along, Earthbender
>Connects with Korra, she acts unconvincingly happy
>Reality sets in, Korra is actually bitter and sad, feeling regret on her past life, that she didn't live longer
>Her greatest regret is losing the connection to their past lives and that the new Avatar can only call upon her
>New Avatar sets out to help Korra reestablish the connection and sets out into the spirit world to find a way to fix the past
>Korra was actually killed with malicious intent, it was a ploy all along
>Deadly spirits are ravaging the human world, an evil ploy is made which connects humans and old spirits working together to takeover/accomplish a world changing goal

>>85984591
Never write again

>>85984632
Unfortunate. Care to elaborate?

>>85984632
Byrke pls go away

>>85984636
He won't because /co/ is just bitter. Ignore him.

>>85969459
>What went so terribly, terribly wrong?

telling, not showing.

That and they pulled a bait and switch. They gave us an amazing world and set up a great premise and then dropped it for love triangles and teenage angst.

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>Nearly two years since Korra ended
>People only remember the few negative things and hate on it forever

>>85984199
>the worst part about this is that the entire supporting cast always tells her what a wonderful amazing Avatar she is, that she can do no wrong and they always follow her no matter what

Lin, Mako, Tenzin, Korra's father, Asami, and even Bolin (trying to assuage Mako that Kuvira is good at heart like Korra despite her actions) all give their feedback on Korra and it is both positive and negative.

>>85984157
>It's remarkable how useless Korra is in the final fight.
They were not able to get into the mech to do what they were going to do until Korra froze it. Everything was harmlessly bouncing off the mech. And much like how the war world in Young Justice wasn't destroyed, the mech didn't need to be destroyed - the leader could be taken out and that would work (although the war world in Young Justice had three ways to go about it that didn't mean the possible destruction of all those around it - the Mako approach that was completely unnecessary, also Bolin didn't contribute there aside from taking out a guard which Mako could have done.)

>>85984714
You're not being fair to the multitude of Korra threads we've had. People love short haired Korra and Tenzin.

>>85984065
>it maybe would have been better if gaining some humility and patience was the reason that Korra was able to beat the last villain instead of just her getting the poison out of her system though
>humility
>patience

She asks the others for help - humility
She lets the others uselessly faff about - patience
She presents her idea to capture Bataar Jr. and asks the rest for their opinion. If all she needed was the poison out and then pulled a real Avatar state and picked up the earth beneath the mech and hurled it into the ocean then that would be different and only reliant on the poison being out.

>>85984636
Spirits is too overplayed. The next avatar would kill himself knowing he only has korra for help.

>>85984745
Not that anon but there are different levels of humility and patience with different contexts also anon. Pretending that it's binary is smirk inducing. Please stop.

>>85984784
You would just have humans fighting Korra? Nothing like Koh or other ancient spirits wandering through the portals and creating havoc?

>>85978328
>animated at full 24fps
Pretty sure most shows are animated at 24fps, it just depends on how long frames are held.

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/lexicon.php?id=61

>>85984810
After those neo-spirits in TLoK? I mean, if you would do it like how ATLA was, mysterious and creepy, it would work out.

>>85984714
I remember wolverlin, Tenzin, some of the humor, Wan was the shit, short haired Korra was hot and boy do I remember the times Korra would become a great character before she failed miserably and got bailed out, whined and bitched and got told she was doing all right.

>>85984810
>Nothing like Koh or other ancient spirits wandering through the portals and creating havoc?

The more powerful spirits never needed the portals to cross over. Koh would do it. Old King Iron in the comics did it. The panda spirit of that forest did it.
Also if none of them did anything in the three year period of Books 3 - 4 then why would they decide to do it now?

>>85984803
>different levels of humility and patience with different contexts also anon
I'd rather that the original anon moved the goalposts.

>>85984838
Well I remember watching Korra and thought that new spirits would be awesome. I think that was when Season 2 was announced that spirits and spirit things would be introduced. I remember /co/ was having lots of good threads on that specific topic. But when everything came to fruition we saw some very retarded things happen. Making spirits more impressively artistic and unique and not just blobs on a screen could help a ton. Older spirits would be more mysterious and could have intricate abilities to how they work and do things. Just sitting here at 6am remember the better times. "Neo-spirits" really did hold a lot of wasted potential though.

>>85984849
Hmm, this is true, powerful spirits really could crossover whenever they wanted too. Perhaps with the avatar dead the only line of defense is gone and they can do what they please.

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>>85969459
4 years later and im still laughing

>>85984849
An anon who never made the goalposts cannot move anothers. I make my own goalposts and as such have no reason to move mine. You're just using binary definitions of these words, yet to make a rebuttal. :^)

>>85980131
Yes they did.

Bryke gave their outline of the show to the head of Nick Animation back in 2002 or 2003. They had all 3 seasons outlined. They only got greenlit for the first 13 episodes of S1, but that didn't change their desired story progression.

>>85984874
Yeah I didn't know what else to call tyem. Nu spirits would be too memey. But even though I would agree with you a few years ago, the execution of tlok made me a bit more pessimistic. In hindsight, tlok would make any sane man be disappointed. >>85984849 raises a fair point though. The older spirits would be living for so long; they have no sense of urgency.

>>85984682
I did you fucker. But yes you are right I reacted a bit negatively because this show made me bitter about the avatar universe in general.

>>85969459
Bryke looked at the writers of ATLA and said "fuck all of you, we've got this." They did bring in writers for a handful of episodes, but the damage was done.
Combine that with Nick constantly adding more seasons/rushing things and Bryke's tendency to play favorites with characters despite how little it might make sense and it makes for a total shitshow

>>85984930
Yeah, I feel ya, I'm sure a lot of anons are pissed because of what happened to spirits. Perhaps Korra could stay alive for years, but ultimately her time is still cut short. I mean the only things these ultimate spirits would even fear is the Avatar. Though even though Koh isn't really a problem since the comics, he could have easily stole Korras face because of her emotions in my opinion, not that he would even make an appearance. But going back to what was written before, I guess ideas are just ideas. Implementation is more important than anything.

>>85984935
I feel everything could have actually worked, and I mean everything, if they got Aaron Ehasz on all the episodes again.

>>85985009
Was Aaron that much of a carrying force?

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>>85985043
Head writer for 59 episodes, won an emmy for his Season 2 writing or something along those lines, and posted pic related. He probably isn't perfect but he could have fixed a lot of writing faults in TLoK. He also changed Toph from a boy to a girl, and also stopped Bryke from creating a love triangle in AtLA.

He was a major force in AtLA, which some people don't really even know.

Overall, they bit more than they can chew. ATLA was a simple childish story sprinkled with some depth and maturity (They still fucked up the finale, but the rest worked)

Korra set up complex morality and questioned concepts they just can't answer on kids TV, so it all fell apart. From confused characterization where lead is "flawed" but neither develops nor loses for her flaws in meaningful way to have villains challenge the very core of the show and just be sidelined because they can't answer coherently. Not surprisingly, season 3 where they returned to morally simplistic baddies, is highest regarded by many.

Shame Platinum probably won't make another Avatar game. I'd play the shit out of that, especially if they were allowed to use more characters and make it part of the canon this time.

>season three had a lot Korra/asami scenes and showed their friendship progressing
>Asami was with korra during her time as a cripple
>Asami was the only person korra sent letters too while she was gone

The lesbian thing wasn't really out of nowhere, especially compared to Korra and Asami falling in love with Mako after only seeing him once.

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>>85984157
>she goes on vacation to eat pussy instead

>>85984219
What about Toph? She always told her how useless and whiny she was.
Toph never changed :>

Toph was RIGHT

>>85984065
I still feel that they failed to build her back up again. To me she's still "depressed" during the finale wedding stuff.

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>>85984560
donte comes to mind. Just like Korra, he was also designed to be the hot shit replacement

>>85985630
nowdays is hard to difference a good friendship of a gay relationship

>>85984685
This is basicly true for almost everything in TLoK so i'd agree.

>>85984714
>few negative things.
There were good things in LoK, like the premises of every season, but they are far out weighted by the bad things.

>>85985630
Anyone who isn't constantly on a gay bent would just interpret that as friendship. Even I didn't see that coming, and I blow dudes for fun.

>>85986553
Why don't you blow up women too? Are you a feminist?

>>85984929
fact is, nick only gave them 13 episodes, regardless of them being prepared for more.

They could literally do the same for LoK, but didn't. That's on them. That said, it's quite normal to not get more than one season from the get-go on shows. This doesn't mean you make them to be only one season.

>>85985630
>season three had a lot Korra/asami scenes and showed their friendship progressing
it also had a lot of Tenzin/Korra scenes.

>Asami was with korra during her time as a cripple
she didn't even move her ass to VISIT, like Tenzin actually did. That said, Korra actually lived with Tenzin for a while.

>Asami was the only person korra sent letters too while she was gone
and the letters were talking about normal stuff, as shown. There was nothing romantic going on. You might as well claim Asami's father wanted to bone her since he also sent letters.

>especially compared to Korra and Asami falling in love with Mako
Korra falling in love with Mako wasn't out of nowhere, because they actually show her feelings before going full romance; Korra actually asks Pema about what she should do, for example.

I will never not be mad at korra

S1 had potential and was cool

S2 was literally one of the worst fucking things I've ever had the displeasure of watching, and if I could erase it from memory, I'd do it in a heartbeat

S3 was pretty nice, great villains, but still had to clean up the diarrhea that clogged the toilet at S2, so it wasnt all bad

S4 was shit again

at least the older characters didnt get raped, even toph was actually good

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Toph proved that she can handle herself better than both Aang and Korra. What if she was the avatar?

>>85987408
>older characters didn't get raped
>toph
>raped by Zuko and Sokka who gave her two different kids

Yeah okay.

>>85987481
>Zuko fugged her

When will this meme die?

>>85987232
>it also had a lot of Tenzin/Korra scenes.
Yep but the point was to deepen their relationship

>she didn't even move her ass to VISIT, like Tenzin actually did. That said, Korra actually lived with Tenzin for a while
irrelevant, Tenzin was basically her foster he always took care of her.

>and the letters were talking about normal stuff, as shown. There was nothing romantic going on. You might as well claim Asami's father wanted to bone her since he also sent letters.
People talk casually sometimes anon, It's not like everything had to be about how much they loved each other and it is entirely possible that they didn't realize that they felt that way until they reunited. Also we know exactly why her dad sent the letters, so that is a bad example.

>Korra falling in love with Mako wasn't out of nowhere, because they actually show her feelings before going full romance; Korra actually asks Pema about what she should do, for example.
She saw and fell in love, was head over heels before that talk.

>>85987354
>S2 was literally one of the worst fucking things I've ever had the displeasure of watching, and if I could erase it from memory, I'd do it in a heartbeat

Oh come on, it's not that fucking bad. Yes, it is the lowest point of the franchise, but there's still lots of good in it, and it's far, far, FAR from the worst shit out there.

>>85987501
>but the point was to deepen their relationship
so the point was the same

>Tenzin was basically her foster he always took care of her
Tenzin had zero reason to go there for her. He wasn't her teacher anymore. Still he goes out of his way to stay with her. That's much more than anything Asami ever did.

>It's not like everything had to be about how much they loved each other
if you're proposing there was buildup, yes, it does.

>it is entirely possible that they didn't realize that they felt that way until they reunited
it's also entirely possible they didn't felt that way at all until the 20 last seconds of show. That said, the first thing they did after they get reunited is to fight, so i doubt they felt anything at all.

>we know exactly why her dad sent the letters
because he wanted to fuck his daughter, isn't that it, according to you? 'if someone send letters, they are clearly in love'.

>She saw and fell in love, was head over heels before that talk
showing affection BEFORE romanticizing the person is exactly the buildup i'm talking about. If Korra had asked Pema about what she should do about Asami, or showing in any other way that she actually likes her as more than friends, That would be buildup. However that didn't happen. So yeah, there was some development with Mako that didn't happen with Asami.

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>>85987537
>it's not that fucking bad
pic related, see S02.

>>85987929

I'm not gonna read all that. Yes, I realize the show has problems, but that's not gonna stop me from enjoying the world, the characters, the animation and music. Of course you're gonna dislike it if you overanalyze it, but to say season 2 of Korra is among the worst shit out there is just stupid.

>>85988049
>that's not gonna stop me from enjoying the world, the characters, the animation and music
if the story is shit, the entire show turns to shit. You can like it, you just can't claim it 'is not bad'

>overanalyze
wanting a motivation that makes rational sense is 'overanalyze'?

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>>85984560
Don't get me wrong, Korra is shit of a high caliber in S2.
But anime manages to pump out worse every season.
The faggot from Alderamin in the Sky comes to mind.
>cliched lazy genius
>lecherous, but in a "charming" way
>selfish, but in a "charming" way
>never wrong about anything
> author self-insert

It's like the asshole that penned Mahouka tried to write Yang Wen-li.

>>85988285
>anime manages to pump out worse every season
The thing is, being better than those shitty new animes is hardly a feat.

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>>85988378
Well, if you look at it relatively, Bryke are at least better than the average LN author.

However that's no excuse because there are also violent gung-ho idiots in modern anime that are 10 times as charming as Korra.

>>85988049
>not gonna read all that
What a drone you are. Get some taste. You should realise when something you are consuming tastes like shit. Christ.

>>85987501
We also know why Asami sent letters, same reason Mako and Bolin did.

>>85969459
>It's another "/co/ hates Korra because it has a female lead character" episode
next

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She litteraly did nothing wrong and only wanted the best for the earth empire.

They wasted the best villain for book one

>>85969459
Lucas syndrome and Nick trying to kill it once they finished the horrible mistake that was season two.

>>85969579
>>85973590
The cutest Korra was s2 finale Korra on account of letting down her hair. Which she never did before because God forbid Bryke make a good decision.

>>85990454
(You)

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>>85990520
>The cutest Korra was s2 finale Korra on account of letting down her hair.

That's your opinion. Not a bad opinion, but I don't share it. I think short hair Korra is cutest Korra.

>>85980435
The only thing that bothered me about lavabending was how Bolin just suddenly made it work because stress or whatever. About as well explained as the lionturtles were.

And the thing with the platinum being rare doesn't seem to apply to Avatar Earth. The mech was still fucking retarded though.

i tried to watch. i couldnt get past 7 or 8 episodes and here is why. love triangle bullshit. EACH AND EVERY action scene had 1 of the characters giving a weird look to another during the climax of an action scene because they were doing SOMETHING that indicated jelousy of whoever was doing whatever. a total of 3 YES 3 love triangle sub plots before even the first season finale. fucking dropped. plus i learned of the fag kiss at the end, totally ruined

Are they still going to do the Korra and Asami lesbian comics?

>>85990558
>opinion
no, it's a fact.

>>85990663
Hopefully not.

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>>85990685
>it's a fact.

If it were fact, I and others would like hair-down Korra best. Sorry, anon. Some people like short hair Korra better. THAT'S a fact.

>>85984182
That's only entertaining when the show calls said hero out on those mistakes. Pretending they don't exist isn't impressive or interesting at all. It's fucking stupid and half the reason we have these threads in the first place.

Narrative: Balance is the ultimate ideal and should be the only thing Korra really thinks about.

Rationality: First, the show never actually points out how or why balance is ideal. It's some vague concept that no one ever bothers defining save some bullshit about a good spirit tapeworm beating out a bad spirit tapeworm.

Narrative: Spirits are such amazing creatures and we can learn so much from them. Letting them mix back into the world achieves balance, which is both good and in no way a problem whatsoever.

Rationality: Spirits in LoK by and large have been shown to be entitled autistic assholes who care nothing for humans and so no problem with killing and/or maiming them for stupid reasons. They're in no way superior to the average person and in fact were already shown in Wan's time to be incompatible with humanity at large. They are also easily turned into homicidal monsters via negative human emotion. Which happens to be the usual response when spirits are assholes. Letting them back into the world allows spirit nukes to become a thing and forces hundreds of people out of their homes when the spirit vines take over a chunk of the city. The only good thing the spirits accomplish, on accident, is providing Republic City with a new tourist trap. Which is soon destroyed by a spirit nuke.

So on and so forth. You get the picture.

>>85990663
Supposedly we'll get news at NYCC

>>85978328
>considering how choppy LoK often looks, it must've run far under 24.
I'd say that's more an issue on what key frames and smears they use in order to achieve the animations you see on screen. An anime like FMA is obviously being done by people with lots of experience who know exactly when and where to use those two techniques, as well as having the source manga to base the work on. Korra on the other hand was made with lesser studios who, based on what I've seen of their work, aren't as skilled or big budgeted as others such as Trigger or David. I'd also argue that with Korra having more acrobatic fight scenes it also makes it harder to actually animate them fluidly.

>>85969459
They believed in their self-generated hype.

>>85980476
Not that hard to do when you just rip off japanese anime and your competition is calarts type shit and beginner's flash animations

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>>85991205
The vast majority of Korra was animated by the Korean studio Studio Mir, who formed out of people from JM Animation, one of the studios that animated ATLA(the other two being DR Movie and MOI Animation).

The first half of Book 2(up to Episode 6) was done by Studio Pierrot, with Mir helping out with the last couple episodes as they stepped in to take over.

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>>85990062
She is Perfect!

>>85984248
>If only it had been portrayed like this.
But that's exactly what happened minus the flashbacks.

>>85990126
That's bullshit. All the Korra villains (apart from Unaloq) were great.

That's why Korra being mediocre is so painful, it honestly could have been better than ATLA.

I like it. The only things that I've found really dull were the love triangle and pacing in season 4. Other than that it was good action show and I find Korra to be very relatable character. She's not as whiny as haters depict her.
It does have it's share of flaws, but it's definitely not bad.

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>>85982145
That's how it is every Korra thread, nothing but haters hating on it because the show isn't 1000000% a rehash of the first series.

Say what you want about S2, but Eska jokes were great.

>>85984714
It's easier for us to talk about the flaws of the show rather than continuously retread the good parts that everybody already knows of without argument. Plus in Korra's case every single Book's ending episode(s) are just full on retarded when you consider the rest of the story going on. I mean they build up the antagonist, give them good motivation and characterization that fleshes them out and not just hurr evil durr, and then the show fucking drops all of that by making them devolve into hurr evil durr anyways. I got fucking tired of that after Book 3 and then they did it again for the finale.

>>85984730
Yeah but the difference is that nobody's actually talking about the show in those threads, they're just dumping cheesecake of and jacking off to the characters which doesn't require any knowledge of the show outside of those characters' appearances.

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>>85985630
I've seen gayer relationships get debunked by creators.

>>85991848
But that's the thing. It failed to innovate. You want people to gobble up shit? Come o-

>tripfag
Should have known better.

>>85990033
Bad meme.

>>85992932
The only bad meme is /co/'s hate for the show now that its over.

>>85992086
not that anon but I kinda prefer it that way, /co/'s already got enough "I'M MAD ABOUT X" and "what went wrong?" bait-level threads as it is

>>85993246
It's deserved though. You tryna say it was anything but mediocre at best?

>>85990827
>If it were fact, I and others would like hair-down Korra best
that's illogical; so if you like eating shit more than chocolate, does that make chocolate not objectively the best?

>>85969459
they took a cartoon about white people being evil and milked it for all its worth.

then they wanted more money so they made a spin off about how lesbians are goddesses built on top of the white people are evil premise

not sure how any one thought this was a good idea when the cartoon was aired in the west but white liberals do not think about survival

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>>85994278
>so if you like eating shit more than chocolate, does that make chocolate not objectively the best?

Depends on the kind of shit. If it's digested from certain foods/materials/substances, some kinds of excrement are not harmful to consume. So, in technicality, one could very much like shit over chocolate.

But fortunately, this isn't the case. Short hair Korra is just as viable a preference as hair down Korra. No amount of denial on your part is going to change that.

>>85993246
>now that it's over
/co/ was pointing out all it's flaws while it was running, what the hell are you talking about?
Also pulling out the misogyny card, get fucked.

>>85994553
>those small titties

asian girl is okay though

>>85994393
I feel like you're baiting

Are you baiting?

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>>85994632
>those small titties

She'd be near perfect if she got /fit/ and got her teeth fixed.

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>>85978776
Being able to quickly recognize shortcomings in writing, characterization and failure of character growth?
Pretty good.

>>85969459
tumblr had too much of a effect on the show and then felt pressured to make her gay

>>85994393
>not sure how any one thought this was a good idea when the cartoon was aired in the west but white liberals do not think about survival

Not all liberals are like amerishit ones.

>>85994553
>Short hair Korra is just as viable a preference as hair down Korra
For people with Shit taste, perhaps.

>wah why are you hating on tlok
New meme?

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The Third Season was the second best season of Avatar anything to exist, so I can forgive Korra for that and that alone. They were even doing romance correctly for once with the subtle introduction of Korasami (maybe too subtle for some anons https://www.reddit.com/r/korrasami/comments/2ru1vx/85_an_analysis_of_how_much_time_korra_and_asami/). I don't want to hear any history revisionist, I was here every Saturday morning for the first two seasons and in the late night itunes web releases for season 3. People saw and recognized what they saw. Season 4 suffered from Bryke forgetting side character development which also entailed finishing the romance thread they started.

The definitive list that will not and cannot be disputed goes like this:

>1. ATLA Season 2
>2. Lok Season 3
>3. ATLA Season 3
>4. ATLA Season 1
>5. LoK Season 1
>6. LoK Season 4
>7. All the comics
>8. The nick magazine specials
>9. Coloring books
>9999. Lok Season 2

What LoK suffered from was covered in >>85969579

Nickelodeon and Viacom didn't know what it wanted from the start, which is why the first half of Season 1 is golden and the second half is a rushed mess ending in "I love you." Had Bryke known about a full 4 season spread, they would have had less creative control and a larger writing team with an idea of how to create a cohesive story set 60 odd years after ATLA.

For what it's worth, Season 3 of LoK was good enough for me to forget my vendetta and pretend that the franchise wasn't ruined.

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>>85994010
Korra is a solid 8/10 show.

>>85994630
You seem to forget the generals, where people generally liked the show. The haters were always in separate threads they made on their own.

>>85997177
I wouldn't be that harsh on Book 2. I recently researched it and while the first half is boring, after Beginnings it gets better.

>>85997443
Epic. The same generals were people we trashing it? Nice revisionist view of what happened, shiteater.

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>you will never suck on Korra's big sweaty toes

>>85997570
You're the revisionist. I was in those generals since Season 2, I remember them fondly. People freely discussed the show and most liked it , even if they had some complaints.

The haters always stayed in separate threads

>>85994393
There are no "white" people in the Avatar universe, there is the equivalent of southeast Asian, Eskimo, Japanese, Chinese.
So there's your you, now go back to /pol/ and/or reddit, you probably go to both, like many /pol/acks.

>>85997669
Of course we discussed the show; we'd see it to the end. But there was more than a ""few complaints"". You're downplaying it too hard. Fapping to pics wasn't people liking the show. You can like the show, sure, but if you can't see that it had more negatives than positives, then you're just a pleb.

>>85997755
No im not. The people who complained hardly stayed around or made a point to bring them up all the time, and those who had many went to the other threads where they just hated on the show.

The show has has far more positives than it does negatives.

>>85997177
>The Third Season was the second best season of Avatar anything to exist
when will this meme die? Zaheer's plan was still fucking retarded, the beginning still dealt with S02's bullshit, and characters were still dumbed down (straight out sending Korra to capture the people that are after her, and everyone agrees) . And of course, the resolution was shit, just working because villains are stupid and because Bolin gets a new power-up and Somehow gets to use it well enough.

>>85997443
>Korra is a solid 8/10 show
see >>85987929

>>85997981
Those are opinions, not facts.

>>85998047
Most of those are facts. Unalaq indeed attacked the south for no good reason, for example, and Korra did cause S02, S03 and S04 of her own show.

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>>85997955
>when will this meme die? Ozai's plan was still fucking retarded, the beginning still dealt with S02's bullshit, and characters were still dumbed down (straight out sending Aang to capture the the Firelord who was after him, and everyone agrees) . And of course, the resolution was shit, just working because villains are stupid and because Aang gets a new power-up and Somehow gets to use it well enough.

I want to play, too, Anon!.

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>>85969459
>What went so terribly, terribly wrong?

No baby incest episode.

>>85998116
>Ozai's plan was still fucking retarded
Did Ozai's plan involves putting the fucking avatar inside a mountain with a river below?

>straight out sending Aang to capture the the Firelord who was after him
that, or let the earth nation burn

>Aang gets a new power-up
oh, you didn't watch the show.

you need good arguments to play.

>>85998103
He attacked the south because he's power hungry and crazy. That is clearly spelled out. and she didn't cause those, not on purpose in any case.

>>85998202
>He attacked the south because he's power hungry and crazy
he could literally wait 2-3 days and get ABSOLUTE POWER fuising with Vaatu to attack the south

also, the "reasoning" is stated to be: to secure the portal. However, there is no one to attack it.

>she didn't cause those
she is the one that opened the portals, causing S02, S03 and S04.

>not on purpose
she literally had a choice to open the second portal or not, and she had a choice to close them in the end and didn't.

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>>85998183
>Did Ozai's plan involves putting the fucking avatar inside a mountain with a river below?
No, it first involved burning an entire continent to the ground, causing an ecological and world wide spiritual imbalance that the world had never before seen.

>that, or let the earth nation burn
That wasn't known in the first Fire Nation invasion plan during the day of black sun. Therefore, it's largely irrelevant.

>oh, you didn't watch the show.
Aang didn't get a new powerup? I think we were watching different shows, Anon.

>>85997837
You're downplaying it to hell and back. Was there when it was first announced to be a mini series before it even aired and it went like this:

>Hype beyond imagination for Season 1
>Hype all the way through Episode 1-4 (even with leaks)
>Episode 5 hits and this is where real shitposting begins but most people are positive
>We hit higher notes as we move past the middle, and the finale comes and there are lots of praises
>Talkback thread sticky comes to the end of the thread, people are arguing real well thought criticisms
>New threads, people start arguing more and more
>Season 2 has new hype, they claim to be bringing back spirits to a whole new level, hype confirmed
>People are excited, though many voicing their disapproval of Season 1
>Season 2 leaks happen, not as much hype but still there when airing happens
>Beginning-middle of Season 2 this is where the shitposting comes in
>People who didn't like Season 1 but stuck around are now pissed. People who stopped watching after Season 1 join in on shitposting
>Wan episodes happen, people are actually very content and happy (majority)
>Episode before finale, people rightfully bitch about Korras logic, still hype for Finale
>Finale happens, major fucking shitstorm. but still there are many content, though we're at a point now where people are less forgiving and arguments/shitposting is at the highest levels, especially after initial talkback thread

You are a revisionist and you are pretending that everyone loved Korra. Guess what, even if it's board 'culture' at this point to post pointless shitposts about Korra, that doesn't mean that everyone enjoyed it. Most of those threads were pure cancer AFTER the talkback thread. There wasn't a single source of threads where everyone rejoiced and was happy. Threads upon threads were made, and some turned out fine, many turned out into shitstorms.

Korra is NOT a bad show but it isn't amazing either, definitely not next to AtLA (for what it's worth).

>>85998349
>it first involved burning an entire continent to the ground, causing an ecological and world wide spiritual imbalance that the world had never before seen
that proves he is an evil cunt, not that his plans are retarded. Putting the avatar inside a mountain with a river below is asking to fail. I should also point out Zaheer's plans would never work from the get-go since people finding new leaders is the next logical step to any civilization that had their leaders killed.

>day of black sun
first of, they knew Sozin's comet would come again and they would have no other opportunity of defeating the firelord, which means it was a 'last opportunity' for them so they absolutely had to attack at that moment. Second, If i remember well, Aang had his friends with him. Sounds reasonable to use your best weapon against the firelord.

>Aang didn't get a new powerup
avatar state is new? because that's what defeated Ozai.

>>85998278
>he could literally wait 2-3 days and get ABSOLUTE POWER fuising with Vaatu to attack the south

1. No he couldn't, Book 2 is set over the course of weeks/a month or two.
2. No he couldn't, he needed the portals to be opened to free Vaatu.

>she is the one that opened the portals, causing S02, S03 and S04.

She was tricked into opening the portals in book 2, but it ended up being a good decision after Harmonic Convergence to leave them open.

She had no control over who would get airbending, hell we don't know if it was even because of the portals or because of Harmonic Convergence.

>she literally had a choice to open the second portal or not

Wrong.

>and she had a choice to close them in the end and didn't.

Because she felt it was the better decision to leave them open.

>>85998414
You're forgetting that there were technically 2 generals. One that was actually about discussing and enjoying the show, the other was just for people who hated the show.

> and you are pretending that everyone loved Korra.
Are you fucking retarded? Serious question. I've never said "everyone loved Korra lol". I specifically have said there were people who hated it, and that they typically were in their own separate threads, which is true.

Your have terrible memory, there's no point in responding to you any longer. You honestly sound like you have these responses prepared whenever anyone comes in a thread not saying exactly what you believe.

Last (You) that you're getting from me.

>>85998472
We can argue your first two points all day long but I need to address this:
>the next logical step to any civilization
You're basing this on our relevant human history and probably on western forms of thought. Remember, humanity is very young and there are probably systems of "states" /"civilizations" that we haven't realized yet due to our limited technology and or track record for "states". That's not even taking to account a world with an entirely different history, culture, way of life, and fucking spirit super powers.

>Avatar state is new
Don't play, anon. You know exactly what I'm talking about.

>>85969459
>four years on and I'm still shitposting

autism

>>85998611
Bud I'm a SEPERATE anon. There was not a "general" hate thread ongoing. It was sporadic and not always happening during release of new episodes. Arguments happened a TON in every positive thread regardless, especially the threads afterwards. Before Season 3 it became a running conclusion by almost everyone in the "positive" and "negative" threads that AtLA was better. You're seemingly forgetting the strawpolls that had thousands upon thousands of votes eh? People shat on Korra in both types of threads, even if one is dedicated to the show rather than shitposting. Again, I am a seperate anon and you just pretend that two anons who were there just like you (one who was constantly on like a Neet faggot 24/7) don't remember unlike you, the white knight.

Again, stop revising history. There was more arguing than I had ever seen in any other show before Korra. The only thing that could even rival it was Zutara shitposting and flamewars.

>>85998755
Oh, also mlp, but we're disincluding that for obvious reasons.

>>85998611
>Book 2 is set over the course of weeks/a month or two
harmonic convergence is almost happening, so he would only wait a few days

>he needed the portals to be opened to free Vaatu
Yeah, and Korra would have doesnt Just that if he didn't attack the south

>She was tricked into opening the portals in book 2
wrong, she could literally NOT open the second portal, and not condemn the entire planet. What is stopping her? the life of one person?

>it ended up being a good decision after Harmonic Convergence
it is NOT a good thing, spirits fuck shit up all the time. Did you even watch ATLA? read the comics? hell, even in LoK spirits attack humans for little to no reason. Tenzin was attacked by a spirit that wasn't even being controlled, the mist spirit makes people get lost for the lolz, the vines literally attack people that did nothing to it. Spirits are fuck ups.

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This entire thread.

>>85988049
>la la la I can't hear you

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>>85998810
Korra really would have just opened the second portal had he just kept peaceful. He would literally have god-like power and he blows it by attacking the North. Why the fuck does he give a shit about any of that when he can be the ruler of the world just a little bit aways?

True again. Korra not opening the second portal would save the world. This guy is gonna argue that that's what the avatar does and say

>Kuerra dibn't nooeeeeeeeeeeee

about if her uncle could open the portal but it would only take a minute of actual thought processing to know her fag of an uncle is bluffing.

Subjective, but I think it's pretty bad for RC citizens, many of whom are now homeless. Guarantee now while Korras mowing down on pussy while on vacation in the spirit world cheeky spirit cunts are gonna come through and be little shits.

>>85969459
WE WUZ THE AVATAR!!

>>85998627
>We can argue your first two points all day long
you clearly can't, as you're trying to avoid them

>You're basing this on our relevant human history and probably on western forms of thought
That's just stupid, so your argument is "something else might happen"? No; if there is a gap in power, someone WILL take it, because that's a necessity. We need leaders, and i don't think even Zaheer himself would argue against that (leader =/= government). It's just how things are more practical, would you yourself decide about every aspect of your government, including the ones you know nothing about, or elect someone to do so? A leader will rise because he has proven himself, and eventually he will become a governor.

>You know exactly what I'm talking about
well, if you want me to go straight to the point, okay: first of, energybending was stated to exist since S02 in at least two points, and in S03 (guru, swamp episode, etc). I could just end it here, but there is more: energybending didn't actually defeat Ozai. Aang defeated Ozai with the avatar state (he used earthbend to trap him), and only after defeating him used energybending, which wasn't really needed. Bolin, on the other hand, manages to get a power-up from Nothing, and actually use it well against Ghazan, a master at it.

>>85998996
Buh, she's a eskimo not ghetto trash.

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>>85999023
I have the perfect example of why you're wrong:
>Air Nomads.
>Leaders
What Zaheer based his entire philosophy on had a working equivalent existing in their world. It wasn't too far fetched to try to reignite that spark.

You're arguing for the sake of arguing and I didn't want to call you out on it.

Season 3 of Korra was good, just accept my tier list and call it a day:

>1. ATLA Season 2
>2. Lok Season 3
>3. ATLA Season 3
>4. ATLA Season 1
>5. LoK Season 1
>6. LoK Season 4
>7. All the comics
>8. The nick magazine specials
>9. Coloring books
>9999. Lok Season 2

>>85998810
>harmonic convergence is almost happening, so he would only wait a few days
Have you watched book 2 recently/ They clearly state several times that there are timeskips. Harmonic Convergence was still several weeks away when Korra regained her memory.

>Yeah, and Korra would have doesnt Just that if he didn't attack the south
He wanted control of the South, and also got him an easy ticket to get close to Korra and manipulate her.

>wrong, she could literally NOT open the second portal, and not condemn the entire planet. What is stopping her? the life of one person?

The life of one of the only airbenders in the entire world who also is established as having some sort of strong spiritual connection.

She also believed she could get back to close the portals before it was too late.

>spirits fuck shit up all the time.
Most of the time they kept to themselves as long as humans don't bother them. They only get mad if you're bothering them in the Spirit World itself.

>the vines literally attack people that did nothing to it.

The vines were reacting to Korra's attempts to remove them.

The best season of TLoK was 4.
2 was really shitty except for the twins.
fuck you

>>85999228
Not that anon you're responding too but he literally had Korra wrapped around his finger. He can take control of whatever he wants when he's a god. You're obviously biased if you can't see the logic in this. What is one small wait to a lifetime and 10,000 years of failure if not successful? He had Korra wrapped around his finger. You're just a partisan who defends Korra at any argument.

>>85999113
>Air Nomads.
>Leaders
The air nomads made rules that Aang and other acolytes had to follow, so yes, there are leaders; one person create rules and he shut up and accept them. That's why when they discovered he was the avatar, it was about what they (the leaders) wanted, not about what Aang wanted.

It's not 'for the sake of argument', you're just wrong. Should i even point out how convenient zaheer is to study airbending for Whatever reason just on time to save him when people suddenly get air powers? and how said airbending is never explained? should i point out that a city entirely made of metal shouldn't work because of how hot it would get? do i need to remind you their initial retarded plan was literally to convince/force people to join the airnomads instead of actually helping RC/the world somehow? S03 is far from good.

>>85999427
Tradition and culture are not leaders, what the hell are you talking about?

>>85999228
>Harmonic Convergence was still several weeks away when Korra regained her memory
dude, it could be a year, the guy studied spirits his entire life just for that moment. Why throw it away attacking the south for no reason?

>He wanted control of the South
he could do just that if he waited a couple of days to attack the south WITH VAATU

>got him an easy ticket to get close to Korra
attacking the homeland of the avatar is 'get close to Korra'?

>The life of one of the only airbenders in the entire world who also is established as having some sort of strong spiritual connection
oh sorry, the life of an 'endangered species' is more important than global safety. Is that it?

>Most of the time they kept to themselves as long as humans don't bother them
there is a very long list of spirits fucking shit up without being bothered, or against humans that did nothing to them. Examples: Koh, Hei bai, the wolf spirit from mother of faces, the mist spirit, the owl spirit, general Iron, the kemurikage, the vines, the spirits from the Wan episodes on the first part, etc.

I should point out Korra just experienced that humans and spirits could NOT live together; humanity had to live in turtles because of spirits in the Wan episodes. Oh, and i should point out another thing: spirits literally attack you because of your mood! if you're upset, spirits attack you. That's what Korra discovered in the spirit world as well.

So tell me, what there is to GAIN from spirits?

>The vines were reacting to Korra's attempts to remove them
and attacked people that had nothing to do with it. Same thing with Kuvira.

>>85999427
did idiots like you even pay attention to the fucking show

>>85999531
leaders are the people that impose, and sometimes even create them. In South America we had the Pajés, old man that were respected by the natives. While not a governor, he was some sort of leader even if all he did was uphold tradition (there were other people to rule other things).

That said, we don't really know everything about the air nomads, you can't really argue that 'they were an anarchy'

>>85999689
enlighten me then, if you think you have the answers.

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Why is everyone so upset towards Korra when the real self-insert Su was the worst character of them all? She literally achieved everything she wanted with impunity. Even her transition to adulthood wasn't predicated on emotional maturity, but finding methods to circumvent the law by ruling her part of the world so she couldn't be persecuted by it.

Everything about her screams villain: hypocritical concerning all aspects of life, inability to consider consequences, irresponsibility towards the sovereign State and its people, borderline sociopathic, terrible parent, lawbreaker and proud of it, unable to hold a truce, completely guiltless, shallow and free of any doubt or criticism, spoiled, greedy, and worse of all, little-to-no character development.

Yet, Su is still seen as a moral character and ally of Korra.

>>85984336
>undergo character development when confronted with reality of inequality

Even being crippled in a wheelchair didn't help her.

>>85999634
>dude, it could be a year, the guy studied spirits his entire life just for that moment. Why throw it away attacking the south for no reason?
Because the South is relatively easy to take over considering the North has a much larger army.

He wanted absolute control. He's not necessarily thinking "well uhh I could just wait" He wants power and control over the South and he wants it then and there so he can have plenty of time to get the portals opened.

>he could do just that if he waited a couple of days to attack the south WITH VAATU

MONTHS. And he needs to open the portals.

>oh sorry, the life of an 'endangered species' is more important than global safety. Is that it?

Just as important, especially since that "endangered species" is one of the four elements in the world.

>Koh,

Stays in his domain for the most part, only occasionly goes and steals faces because he's a dick

>Hei bai,
Is only a dick when his forest gets burned down

>the wolf spirit from mother of faces,
Fair enough

> the mist spirit,
Is specifically designed to be a dick.

>the owl spirit,
Rightfully hates humans and doesn't like dealing with them.

>general Iron,
Was not dickish or against any humans besides the one trying to unleash the Spirit of Chaos

>the kemurikage,
Only dicks because the Fire Nation islands were segregated

>the vines,
Only dickish when attacked or bothered

> the spirits from the Wan episodes on the first part, etc.
Rightfully dicks to humans

>what there is to GAIN from spirits?

Friendship and harmony. Help.

> that humans and spirits could NOT live together
With the way most humans thought. She wanted to teach humans to be like Wan was. Living harmoniously with nature.

>and attacked people that had nothing to do with it.
are you retarded? Does your brain not work?

>Same thing with Kuvira.
Kuvira wanted to unify the Earth Kingdom under her rule, including the old lands

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>>85969459

>What went wrong
Korra never learned from her mistakes/faults/shortcomings and even when she did there was never any pay off or it was simply an asspull

>What went right
Well, at least this will be a cautionary tale for future avatar on what NOT to do or how to act.

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Holy shit, you people are not fucking joke.

>>86000068
>Because the South is relatively easy to take over considering the North has a much larger army
it's the homeland of the person you're trying to manipulate, and you could do it later anyway

>And he needs to open the portals
something Korra would gladly have done if he didn't attack her homeland. That said, he could literally just teach Korra how to go to the spirit world and open both portals from within. Another hole in S02.

>Just as important
oh, you're shitposting.

>general Iron
he attacked humans because they didn't worship his waifu anymore. Yeah, he is an asshole.

>the owl spirit
you do realize he helped Vaatu, right?

> the spirits from the Wan episodes on the first part
they attacked humans that were just looking for food, just because 'muh forest, fuck off'.

Also, having a reason to be dicks doesn't make spirits less dicks. Those that i said are clearly attacking people that did nothing to them.

>Friendship and harmony
even when NONE of the parts wants to be friends with one another?

>are you retarded? Does your brain not work?
why? your delusions made you see otherwise?

>Kuvira wanted to unify the Earth Kingdom under her rule, including the old lands
you do realize i'm talking about when Kuvira attacked the vines in the earth nation and in RC the vines started to kidnap people, right?

>>86000203
9 of those are mine

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>>86000348

Honestly, LoK ending on Season 3 would have been the best conclusion. Tenzin even said that Korra has accomplished so much in her years as the avatar than most avatars have achieved in their entire lives. That's a very bold statement, and if it is true, then Korra dying young would have sent a powerful message: the brightest candles always fade away first.

>>86000381
>That's a very bold statement
you mean a lie

all she did was 'save' the world she condemned in the first place, and kill the past lives.

>>86000317
>it's the homeland of the person you're trying to manipulate, and you could do it later anyway

You're implying that all people mad for power think clearly and straight and always make the best decisions.

>something Korra would gladly have done if he didn't attack her homeland.
Until that judge cracked and told her the truth, she was on his side

>oh, you're shitposting.
I'm not, but you certainly are.

>he attacked humans because they didn't worship his waifu anymore. Yeah, he is an asshole.

misred that as Iroh, sorry. He was only mad because the deal Yangchen struck with him was broken.

>you do realize he helped Vaatu, right?
He helped Unalaq, not Vaatu directly.

>they attacked humans that were just looking for food, just because 'muh forest, fuck off'.
They attacked them because they were carelessly hunting and damaging the forest.

>having a reason to be dicks doesn't make spirits less dicks.
Naming off specific examples when there are plenty of examples of non-dicks doesn't make all spirits dicks.

>even when NONE of the parts wants to be friends with one another?
Wan proves you wrong.

>why?
You do realize that there's such things as reactionary moves, right? The vines were reacting to being disturbed. They don't target specific things they just reacted. Like a spasm.

>>86000614
Bro I read both your autistic sides in this argument and he is clearly making more sense than some apologist like you.

Stop embarrassing yourself.

>>86000731
(You)

>>86000776
Idk man, you seem to be getting lots more flack than he is and he makes more logical sense.

Keep memeing though my friend.

>>86000614
>You're implying that all people mad for power think clearly and straight
he was thinking straight for years when he was Not attacking the south, there is no reason to go full cunt only now. That said, he didn't say 'lol i'm mad and going to attack', he just made a retarded statement of "hey, perhaps someone will attack a portal in the middle of nowhere".

>she was on his side
if she 'was on his side', she wasn't going to attack a judge. If he didn't attack, she would also be on his side.

>I'm not
"the safety of one airbender is worth the world"

>He was only mad
no, when you hit your toe you're 'mad'. He wanted to erase a village and everyone in it. All because they didn't worship his waifu. He is a full cunt, as are many spirits.

>carelessly hunting and damaging the forest
No, they were just looking for food. However spirits don't like that, because they're assholes.

>when there are plenty of examples of non-dicks doesn't make all spirits dicks
give me some examples of spirits that aren't dicks, and that aren't just background (since we can't tell how those spirits are personally).

>Wan proves you wrong
i doubt after a War humans wanted anything to do with spirits, that's why he separated them again.

>reactionary moves
the vines weren't just 'moving around', they were KIDNAPPING PEOPLE.

>>86000614
Azula is a slut and obviously fucked Zuko. She deserves to be imprisoned.

The two episodes involving Wan were more interesting than the 4 Seasons involving Korra. However, the villains were quite interesting.

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>>86001082
you know that's BULLSHIT.

Now say you're sorry. Say that to her face.

>>86000932
>he was thinking straight for years when he was Not attacking the south
Like when he tricked his brother into getting banished?

>if she 'was on his side', she wasn't going to attack a judge

She wanted her father freed. That's why she attacked the Judge. The Judge gave her information that revealed Unalaq's true intentions.

>"the safety of one airbender is worth the world"
Are you saying that the life of a spiritually strong airbender who is one of the only ones left who can bend the element is not important?

>No, they were just looking for food.
carelessly and in a damaging way

>give me some examples of spirits that aren't dicks
Hei Bei(when his forest is not being burned down by Firebenders)
Tui/Yue
La
Iroh
Iroh's friends
the bird-dragon Korra found
Guardian spirits Korra runs into when returning the bird-dragon to the mountain
the Painted Lady
Mother of Faces
Raava
Spirit oasis spirits
Aye-aye spirit(to Wan at least, once Wan proved he wasn't a destructive asshole like other humans)
Knowledge seekers
Bum-Ju
Furry-Foot
the spirits Korra meets in the Tree of Time, like the one that can transform into a puppy
tons of background spirits that never try to attack anyone that we see flying/moving around both in and out of the spirit world

>after a War
Wan separated them before any wars, unless you call the battle between those humans and the corrupted spirits a "war". Wan befriending the spirits proves that it is possible.

>the vines weren't just 'moving around', they were KIDNAPPING PEOPLE.
thats a reactionary move you fucking retard.

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>>86001501
Wan befriended the spirits and still thought it was better to have them in their own place instead of roaming free in the human world. If he thought so, and we were shown he was right, Korra can't actually have made the right decision on that one.

>>86001695
>Wan befriended the spirits and still thought it was better to have them in their own place instead of roaming free in the human world.

Because he wanted to teach humans to respect spirits.

>>86001175
The two episodes that senselessly explained the Avatar which didn't need explaining were more interesting? The ones that made everything a good versus evil fight?

The villains were also not quite interesting. Amon and his daddy issues along with his secret brother, Unalaq and his stupidity that only worked because the writing forced it to work, Zaheer and his narrow minded philosophy despite being about freedom, and Kuvira suddenly caring about everything and secretly hating all the different cultures, none of these were interesting except in a "how could they have messed up this much in writing" kind of way.

>>86001753
>The ones that made everything a good versus evil fight?
Wow, you clearly misunderstood those episodes.

>>86001501
>Like when he tricked his brother into getting banished
so he could become king, yeah.

>She wanted her father freed. That's why she attacked the Judge
and why was her father being sentenced? because he attacked, and why he attacked? because he invaded the south.

>Are you saying that the life of a spiritually strong airbender who is one of the only ones left who can bend the element is not important
clearly not as important as the fate of the planet. That said, the fact that she is spiritually strong means nothing. You might as well argue she is good at math.

>carelessly and in a damaging way
No. Just straight out looking for food, and that's all that was needed.

>Hei Bei
he attacked innocent people, and that's a dick move

>Tui/Yue
>La
technically they are more of a 'natural phenomena' spirit, that don't really 'will' anything.

>Iroh
iroh is/was human, so i don't think that counts as he is clearly something different

>iroh's friends
they were going to attack Korra because she is upset

>the bird-dragon
didn't it also wanted to attack Korra?

>Mother of Faces
hardly 'good', as she doesn't really care for mankind and attacked Aang for little to no reason, and her forest is not exactly kind to people.

>Raava
you do realize Raava IS Vaatu, right?

>Spirit oasis spirits
i said 'non-background'

>once Wan proved he wasn't a destructive asshole like other humans
and before he was acting like a dick to any other human for no reason, like every other spirit

>Knowledge seekers
the ones that work for the owl spirit?

>the spirits Korra meets in the Tree of Time
background-tier
also, speaking of the tree of time, Mako and Bolin were attacked on that same place by spirits that weren't corrupted, if i remember well.

>tons of background spirits that never try to attack
they don't try to attack Because they are backgruond. That's why i said we can't really say anything about them.

>>86001796
>Vaatu is needed for balance
>So let's seal him away forever away from Raava
>If Vaatu wins everything will be destroyed and spirits will be geared towards chaos following Vaatu in blindly lashing out with violence
>If Raava win that means that Vaatu doesn't win

That's one set of things I got from those episodes. That and if people could rule other people in places of power before the Avatar then Zaheer trying to get rid of the Avatar doesn't work anyway even more than it already doesn't work.

>>86001501
>Wan befriending the spirits proves that it is possible
Wan proved that befriend is possible IF humanity completely change it's ways to the spirit's needs. If you don't change your ways, the spirits won't accomodate. Why accomodate to those assholes if we can live without them, and they were living just fine themselves?

>thats a reactionary move
i think you're missing the point; if you want to imply that it acted on impulse, it didn't because kidnapping requires a lot of thought. If you're implying that kidnapping was it's response, it was against people that had nothing to do with it's pain and therefore it's a dick move.

>>86001738
Yeah, but he didn't do it, and neither did any other avatar.