Dick Grayson did nothing wrong.

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>>85921251
He needs to shave his face though

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>>85921286

Dick was so angsty during time period lol

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>>85921351
That makes me laugh every time . But no seriously what was he thinking?

I really, really don't get /co/'s fetish for judging fictional characters based on their personal morality as though they were real people and not puppets used by multiple writers.

>>85921453
I can't decide if the writer shipped Dick/Babs or not

Like this could easily be a "see how much he loves Barbara, shitting all over his soon-to-be-wife for her??" moment that's pretty prevalent in bad fanfics and bad soaps
But he could have just as easily just not liked the pairing and DC wanted him to explain why they didn't get married so he shat all over it

I don't really like Dick Grayson, but Donna Troy and Barabra Gordon suck, so I find it hard to hold these against him.

>>85921323
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>>85921351
>>85921385
Why write this?

>>85921323
>>85921339
>>85921351
>>85921385
I still hope someone storytimes this

>>85921659
I see what you mean. Like no one came out looking good in that situation. I mean I hate Dick/Babs and was still thought it was terrible.

>>85921698
Wait till I get to the Roy Harper and Starfire bits.
If I can find them.

>>85921896
Outsiders was an amazing source for Dick being an asshole.

Somebody posted the Superman scene where Dick threatens him with kryptonite.
In his defense though I think it was originally meant to be Jason and Winick just didn't change it or couldn't.
but man outsiders was a train wreck

>>85921251
He didn't fuck Midnighter

>>85921944
Or Tiger. Or Helena. Or Dr. Netz. Or probably Raptor. It's all about much Babsgirl.

>>85922019
Do you think Raptors gonna try and rape him since Dick isn't fucking him

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>>85921997
In Dick's defense Roy is retarded. Must have been all those years of smack.

>>85922070
I hope Raptor turns into that tentacle monster on the Nightwing cover to try to get Dick. Then Superman comes and saves him

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>>85921311

Lol get your shit together, Donna!

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>>85922210
Donna is a mess.

>>85922284
Get Rekt Donna

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NOTHING

>>85921263
Is Donna a masochist?

Her face in that last panel has a serious orgasm vibe

>>85922284
>whoring through space with Kyle Raynor
God that makes me nostalgic as hell. Are there any 4chan archives for 2010 still around?

>>85922369
I believe Dick is using the force in that panel to get her off, if you look at his hand.

>>85922284
Donna just fucking takes it.

>>85922361
>Flowers wilt in the presence of a superior female

>>85922361
>Orange is the new blacked

>>85922361
Hahaha. Wait how in the world does Dick keep his identity a secret with Starfire at his place?

>>85922428
Sounds like a porno starring Komand'r

>>85922396
I don't know how far back it goes but there's http://desuarchive.org

>>85922430
Kory used to walk around (wearing sunglasses) and pass herself off as Kory Anders, a fashion model with great legs and a nice tan.

>>85921922
outsiders was a bit before jason came back
Dick just couldn't handle leading a team of people who did questionable things and in response to that began to get colder

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Barbara Gordon is so far down on the Grayson totem pole
Which is easy when you se the women who want him
Pic related

>>85921997
wow that's pretty low of dick
is this from outsiders

>>85922489
Makes sense. But right there she just answered the door without a disguise. Just full blown sexy alien for anyone knocking.

>>85922396
I remember all of /co/ in those threads losing their shit over that line. I mean, Rise of Arsenal and the whole Prometheus stuff was already one wild ride, especially Roy "hallucinating" on heroin and thinking a dead cat was Lian and then beating guys up in an alley, but the whoring around in space line is iconic.

>>85922141
I'm glad they got rid of his kid
no one this stupid should have a child

>>85922284
lol man this page really offended people because it referenced countdown

>>85922474
Only goes back to 2012. Thanks though!

>>85922492
Outsiders continued after Jason came back.
It ended in late 2007.

Dick was gonna originally gonna die in Infinite Crisis and Jason would be Nightwing with OYL.

>>85922284
The worst is that this is what she goes for. She goes for Terry the manchild, Roy the white trash idiot who pulls shit like this, and Kyle who is in eternal manbaby mode. She just plays sexmommy to everyone and deserves all of the bad shit she brings on herself because of it.

Kind of like how Starfire and Barbara deserve all of their stupid bullshit for hanging on to Dick for years, especially Starfire, when she could have literally anyone in the DC Universe.

>>85922361
This whole retcon of Barbara/Dick being OTP was so demonizing to Starfire even though she was the actual iconic couple with Dick. This is why people shouldn't do cross-franchise romances anymore. They always get screwed over or retconned.

Why didn't Donna ever hook up with Dick?
If she got with him instead of Terry she might have been spared years of terrible stories

>>85922598
No, it references the fact that Donna was dating Kyle and training him in his book/was a character in his GL book when Bryne made Terry go full retard and drive their kids off a cliff.

>>85922492
Not true. The Superman scene in question is from Winick's One Year Later arc where Nightwing and the Outsiders depose an African dictator and abandon him on an island somewhere. Jason had been back for years at that point. Because Dick was supposed to die in IC and Jason was rumored to take over as Nightwing, many people think Winick wrote the beginning of that run for Jason Todd and never changed the script when Dick got saved.

>>85922679
Because she only likes manchildren. Dick is a brooding loser a lot of the time but he never crosses over to that territory fortunately. Just gets close.

>>85922679
Who's terry? Was he that shitty author self insert?

>>85922674
>This whole retcon of Barbara/Dick being OTP was so demonizing to Starfire even though she was the actual iconic couple with Dick

remember when dixon ignored all the titans in nightwing year one except for maybe 3 pages total and tried to have dick and barbara flirting even though at the time dick and starfire wanted to date real bad and were about to

>>85922361
Starfire >>>>>>>> Babs. Then again, like >>85922519 says here. Most of Dick's conquests >>>>>> Babs.

>>85921283
hairy Dick > shaved Dick

>>85922674

Yeah. Starfire was Dick's first big girlfriend/wife and just because the Bat-editors didn't wanted to play ball and the cartoons influence they started to retcon things to make Barbara child sweet-heart, de-age her so that she'd be the same age as Dick and push the two as OTP forever and ever while demonizing Starfire as the hussy that kept Dick from the love of his life.

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>>85922674
Dick is basically perfect and is completely justified in everything he's done in this thread.

>>85922361
When you said you were gonna post a Dick and Starfire scene, I was expecting the thing where he leaves her in space or when he leaves her in the porn pool.

>>85922757
Yeah. This is also around the time Kory began to lose her warm personality she had since her creation in NTT and just turned into the Hot Girl Sex Kitten that answers the door and acts aloof at Barbara. I really hate Dick/Barbara because it's one big retcon and not even a good one. Break up Kory/Dick if you want, especially because of their drama, but don't pretend Dick/Barbara was OTP all this time.

Funnily enough Roy/Donna was one big retcon too as some "otp" and they're still trying to push it when barely anyone cares about it. Why are comic romances often so horrible?

>>85922679

>If she got with him instead of Terry she might have been spared years of terrible stories

Not really. Instead she'd suffer the same fate Starfire did. The bat-editors wouldn't want to play ball and would start to push for Barbara, ruining Dick and Donna's relationship.

>>85921351
Pussy, not people.

>>85922800
Eh... Dick had a thing for/with Barbara before Starfire was ever introduced. They had this will they/won't they thing in Batman Family in the 70s but it was canceled before it got to go anywhere.

>>85922800
It's worse since they made her try to be the Betty to her Veronica and this girl next door can't compete with the hot slut thing when Starfire had the more doting, nurturing,fierce and kind and cheerful personality from the get go that was completely forgotten about. I haven't enjoyed Starfire's character in well over a decade, but then again I haven't enjoyed most of the Titans since their original books anyway.

>>85922519
I admit to being super surprised that Helena and Dick didn't have sex in Grayson. Just one or two lousy kisses. I want my sex scene and I want Janin or Marcus to to draw it. C'mon Seeley.

>>85922914
>wanting Seeley to get harassed again

Anon, shippers are no joke.

>>85922887
It wasn't really ever painted as some true love thing though, he had plenty of love interests and their flirting was minimal. Starfire was not only his first serious relationship but also his breakout relationship, just like NTT was his breakout role (and they also invented Nightwing/separated him from Robin role).

I'm not even some Kory/Dickfag because I think the pairing ran its course, but the way Barbara/Dick was forced into an OTP role was unnatural, wrote another relationship in a totally OOC way and was just stupid.

>>85922887

>Eh... Dick had a thing for/with Barbara before Starfire was ever introduced.

Not really. Dick would flirt with Barbara and act like a huge asshole because he felt odd and didn't liked that Barbara, a girl, was trying to get in on the Bat-manning thing.

>They had this will they/won't they thing in Batman Family in the 70s but it was canceled before it got to go anywhere.

Not, they didn't. Barbara was 7 years older and both editors and readers thought that she was too old for him. Yes, Barbara thought that Dick was cute, but she also thought he was an ass.

The only time she kissed him was to shut him up because he was saying that she was just a girl and could do what him and Batman did.

>>85922947
But all I'm asking is for Babsgirl to fuck off to her own book and let Dick have sexy time with people superior to her. I'm not even asking for her death. Shippers pls.

>>85923014

No can't do. Barbara now is more famous than Dick. This means that she can have more than one book and she can fuck all the guys she wants in her solo while has to settle with his never-ending crush for her, because everything is about the good dear Barbara.

>>85922841
Dick and Donna are compatible but that's exactly why they won't go for each other. They both live for drama in the end and thrive off it and off fixing problems. The only remotely sexual and romantic dream Dick ever had of Donna was of her being his wife, being OOC and cruel and bitchy to him and fucking Roy behind his back. He has weird psychological issues.

>>85923060
Barbara had more chemistry with Ted Kord and Dinah Lance than she ever did Dick Grayson. Can they let the pairing die already.

>>85923063
>They both live for drama in the end and thrive off it and off fixing problems. The only remotely sexual and romantic dream Dick ever had of Donna was of her being his wife, being OOC and cruel and bitchy to him and fucking Roy behind his back. He has weird psychological issues.

That explains so much about his thing with Barbara.

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>>85922977
also Dick had a generic college girlfriend around this time named Lori

>>85923094

>Can they let the pairing die already.

No. Barbara was dating some punk during Gail Simone's run, Luke Fox during Cameron Stewart's run and now she's fucking some Asian dude in her new ongoing, but they'll never undo the Dick/Barbara will they/won't they OTP shit.

>>85923156

Yup. Dick did everything he could to make Barbara uncomfortable hoping she'd just fucking leave. He wasn't really going for Barbara at the time since he already had a girlfriend and friends of his own.

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>>85922519
>Barbara Gordon is so far down on the Grayson totem pole

Anon I...

>>85923221
Dick literally stood stood in front of her and told her how much he liked her and wanted to be with her. She wound up being asleep the whole time. Did you even read the series we're talking about?

>>85923260
To be fair that dude is a racist Nazi who was likely trying to rile her up. Also a few panels later shows he doesn't know Dick at all.

>>85923278

That was much later.

>>85923260
This is so dumb and immature. People can love more than one serious long term partners they've had in life.

>>85923319
It's called OTP for a reason.

>>85923302

Seeley push Dick/Barbara so i don't doubt that Seeley wrote that seriously.

>>85923278
Bruh that was not in the early series. What issue are you even talking about?

>>85923339
I tihnk that was afetr Seeley and King already left

>>85923339
Seeley didn't write that. Even more recently he also pointed out that he was keeping Helena as a love interest sooo

Some pairings either work or they don't work. If you're dragging on a pairing for decades just let it go. Sometimes no matter how hard comics tries to shout at you that something is an OTP people don't buy it. They felt this way with Jean and Scott eventually as well. Just let some pairings die. Dick/Babs is one of these, Dick/Kory was rightfully let go of as well, even if her character never recovered from it.

>>85923397
Everyone knows that DC is retroactively obsessing over DickBabs and shitting on Dick's life outside of her since the late 90s. What of it?

>>85923401

The problem with Dick/Babs pairing is that it was a shallow thing done for marketing purposes and that necessitated tons of retcons to work. It was forced.

This whole idea of pairing a Robin to a Batgirl no matter who they are is awful.

Hey, let's pair Tim and Cass despite nothing ever going between them and Tim having dated Steph and Steph's being Cass best friend.
Hey, let's push for Damian, the current Robin, to be with Steph, who's Batgirl now, despite Damian being only fucking 10.

Look at the Arkham games where Tim was paired with Barbara just because he was the Robin in that game, despite that being so... weird. I mean, Barbara had a Nightwing necklace in the previous and current game and Nightwing was even in the story, but it's like an executive just did because Robin and Batgirl belong together, despite not giving a fuck who the characters are behind the cowls.

>>85923063
Lol what issue is that I need to read it

>>85923526
Sounds like a Dixon issue.

>>85922825
>When you said you were gonna post a Dick and Starfire scene, I was expecting the thing where he leaves her in space or when he leaves her in the porn pool.

I want to post the scene where he tried to drag Starfire back to his apartment after they broke because she was "his woman". Unfortunately I can't find the bloody pages. If someone else is willing to post it I'd be eternally grateful.

>>85923330
You do realize otp is just fan shipping, right?

>>85923517
I think I could find Tim/Babs to be tolerable actually. Neither of them in the games were terrible people and they are way more similar in interests and attitude than Dick/Babs. So I see where it makes sense.

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>>85923063
>he only remotely sexual and romantic dream Dick ever had of Donna was of her being his wife, being OOC and cruel and bitchy to him and fucking Roy behind his back. He has weird psychological issues.

>>85923587

Naw, man. Is bad enough some writers tried to push for Jason/Babs.

>>85923063
Lmao pls somebody post this

>>85923580
Writers were fans before they started writing.

Just look at the mess the writer made in Batman Beyond 2.0. Got into that Bruce/Barbara/Dick love triangle thing and made it painfully obvious how salty he was about Bruce/Barbara.

>>85923632
I would take either of those over Dick/Babs. That's how tired I am of that pairing. At least Arkham Babs is an ok character and not a constant annoyance

>>85923707

Um... would you... would you be okay with stories about a grown-up Damian as Batman having a weird sexual thing with older commissioner Barbara?

>>85923642
>Writers were fans
Doesn't justify them shitting on previous continuity and characters. That is just bad writers.

>>85923632
>Tynion makes Jason job in the eternal
>Ships him with Babs I'll admit the first time in Brazil was interesting. Once they got back to Gotham it was pure melodrama
>Has Jason 1 hit KO Shiva

Does Tynion have a thing against Jason?

>>85923749
Is that a thing? Like I wouldn't dump on it unless it was poorly written.

>>85923791

Jason flirted with Barbara in The Cult too, right?

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>>85923639

The funniest part is in the dream, one of Dick's and Donna's kids was obviously Roy's too.

>>85923791
I don't think he's said anything against him

I know he likes Tim best and thinks Dick works better with batfamily shit since he's a 90s batfan

>>85923832

Kinda...

I think that the only Batgirl Damian hasn't been paired is Cass. Oh, and Huntress (Helena Wayne).

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>>85923852
>Dixon writing Dick/Donna in some way, shape, or form

I KNEW HE WAS A HACK

>>85923852
>this
>that issue where Dick makes out with Selina when she jumps him to make Bruce jealous because why not

So does Dixon have a fetish or

>>85923852
Take Dicks best relationship and turn it into a nightmare. Dixon pls advice/Donna would be beautiful

>>85923916
Nah, he walks in on the end of her with Roy. Also it's a strange scene where she's dripping honey between her legs. Maybe she was fucking both?

>>85923935

I mean Dick/Donna

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>>85923875
Chill, my bro. He knows they are best friends. He just likes cucking Dick and has a fetish, and took Dick's most stable relationship that's never been ruined by sex or romance and ruined it for nightmare fuel.

>>85923949

Donna cucking Dick with Roy and Bruce? THE FUCK IS THIS SHIT?

>>85921351

kek

KEK

K E K

>>85923852
Dick needs a therapist.

>>85924039

Yeah, wanting to have a relationship with your best female friend where she cucks you with your adoptive dad and one of your best male friends is... weird.

>>85923852
>>85923949
Shit like that is why I have trust issues

>>85924071
Donna is like a sister to Dick. It's not like he wants this, it's just a fucked up nightmare induced by Scarecrow. It's basically like having a dream that you're married to your sister and she's cucking you and not even acting like herself. It's nightmare fuel. And it's telling that in his worst nightmare it isn't his relationship with Babs or Kory that's ruined, it's his most platonic relationship instead.

>>85922284
Even batman is like "Damn..."

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>>85924197
I think that's Dick, maybe

>>85922284
Roy points with his middle finger for some reason.

>>85923852
Dick looks rough in this.

>>85921251
you should not have made me feel small, janet

>>85925094

fuck janet, she deserved it

>>85925808
chill steve, in 21th century woman does not owe you eternal loyalty just because you helped her out once

>>85925945

THEY WERE MARRIED

>21th

come on nigga

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>>85926171
>come on nigga
words are relics of the past
>MARRIED
marriage is an oppressive social construct

>>85926535

im not okay with this

>>85923852
>Why's it so hard for me and Bruce makes it look so easy?

Dick's character in a nutshell.

>>85926535
The sad part is Cap is the only one who realizes how fucked that is.

>>85927089
Only under the mediocre writers like Dixon. Nobody wants to read about Dick the sadsack loser with his unresolved daddy issues.

Tom King understood Dick Grayson.

>>85926535
Nothing Wasp said makes any sense.

>>85921659
the whole issue was a flashback of them reflecting on their highs and lows, and he tried to write them as starcrossed lovers who always had bad timing

which is stupid, because the reason that relationship worked in the first place was because they started as friends and began dating when they were mature adults

>>85922361
starfire should have invited her for a threesome

>>85922914
they fucked in the Futures End issue

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>>85921385

Do you think Babs sent a wedding gift?

>>85922679
Wolfman wanted to make them a couple, but got shut down by editors

>>85923094
>Barbara had more chemistry with Ted Kord
lol no

>>85923517
>The problem with Dick/Babs pairing is that it was a shallow thing done for marketing purposes and that necessitated tons of retcons to work. It was forced.
except it wasn't, they had better chemistry during the 2000s than the majority of DC's "OTPs"

>>85923642
yeah but bruce timm had already gone full retard at that point

>>85923632
that was just tynion trying to do his lobdell impression by self-inserting into jason

>>85923791
seeley wrote the brazil stuff

>>85923912
bruce timm did it first. still better than bruce/barbara

>>85928398
dixon didn't do that much with daddy issues, bruce showed up once or twice, told him he was doing a good job, and then they split. lobdell's jason, now that's the shit with daddy issues galore

>>85921618
It's called Not Having A Life, anon.

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>>85921311

Dick dropping truthbombs

>>85924303
What's this doing here?

>>85926535
But .. but .. that's forbidden love

>>85922679
Damnit, Dick and Donna can be pretty good ship in current universe. Barbara is international slut and annoying bitch. Starfire is slut and in some relationship with random guy. Helena in her spy corporation. Donna is only good choice.

>>85922361
How can Babs even compete?

No seriously, what the fuck is wrong with Grayson. Starfire is clearly the superior woman.

>>85935877
I like that Donna is very sweet and caring and more nurturing, but how is she the only good choice? Whatever you do with her relationship with Dick would just be fucked up by a retcon or the stupid writing she's plagued with. Barbara is at least confined to Dick's franchise. And she and Starfire are not "sluts" but whatever.

>>85935877
Helena is no longer a spy. She has been doomed back into the Bkrds of Prey with Babsgirl so they can argue over who Dick loves more.

>>85931817
Timm didn't write the BB 2.0 comic, Higgins did

>>85937051
Barbara were blacked and fucked by asian in ONE timeline, mate. She is slut for sure. Also, she is REALLY annoying bitch in new52. She is much better as Oracle. Joker made her better character by all means. Starfire in relationship.
Anyway, i want muh Dick to be happy with some good girl like Donna.
>>85937194
Oh, right. I forgout about BoP. I can't read it because of shitty artist. Arguing about Dick between Helena and Barbara sounds interesting.

>>85931884
Dixon's Nightwing had a lot of daddy issues though
Even when Bruce wasn't around, Dixon sometimes had Dick thinking about how much he sucks compared to Bruce, how much an asshole Bruce is, or just comparing the two in general
Then Grayson made it even worse when she took over

>>85936250
Maybe Dick is secretly afraid of being happy and purposefully sabotages himself.

>>85926535
They have to be on drugs while writing this crap.

How the fuck was fucking Ult Cap the reasonable person? This shit is horrible, not helped by his weird bug eyes.

>>85921251

I love it when writers do all this lame shit so they can have their pet character look superior when he calls out the people who were still there going through the shit while he/she was off fucking about somewhere else.

Kind of like the time Madrox tried to bitch at Scott Summers.

And whats this shit? He's giving a person grief for trying to have a life outside of punching bad guys? What a tool. He's obviously gone to the Bruce Wayne school of being a judgy judgerson.

>>85922284

Jesus. Dick yells at her because she's trying to live a life outside of being a superhero, then this dick yell at her because she was too busy being a superhero to take care of her life.

Maybe Dick can date Roy.

>>85928621
>Nothing Wasp said makes any sense.

Ultimate Wasp was a fucking retard. She cheated on Captain America with a guy who tried to kill her.

>>85938401
Who, red skull?

>>85937273
Timm is the one who introduced the love triangle mess, though. The animated series had Dick/Babs, until BB happened and made references to Babs having been with Bruce, so then the post TNBA series materials got that added to them.