DC Reports 12 Million REBIRTH Issues 'Shipped' This Summer

>>85916651
>The flagship book, Geoff Johns’ DC UNIVERSE: REBIRTH SPECIAL, recently went back to press a fifth time and has sold nearly 350,000 copies. Best-selling writer Johns, who is also the company’s President and Chief Creative Officer, oversaw the creative direction of the entire Rebirth line of books. Working in tandem with DC Publishers Dan DiDio and Jim Lee, this line-wide launch focused on themes of hope and optimism and returned the DC Universe to a more closely knit superhero continuity.

>“The overall response—from retailers, the creative community and, most importantly, the fans—has been nothing short of incredible,” said Diane Nelson, President of DC Entertainment and Warner Bros. Consumer Products. “We listened to what the retail and fan communities thought was missing from our books and took the necessary steps to produce stories that have re-energized comics. I’m so immensely proud of my amazing team of executives, including Dan, Jim and Geoff, for once again setting the bar for excellence in comics. “

>“Hope, optimism and legacy are integral to the epic, universe-spanning stories that define what a ‘DC’ superhero is to me. As is building on the foundation of all the amazing writers and artists, as well as, characters that have been part of DC’s history and celebrating it,” said Geoff Johns, President and Chief Creative Officer, DC Entertainment. “I’m incredibly proud of the creative teams across the line and beyond grateful that readers and retailers have given Rebirth a shot. And, stay tuned for more stories and secrets about the mysterious machinations at play behind Rebirth to come!"

>Rebirth titles are enjoying a 29 percent higher lift than the company’s previous relaunch in 2011, DC COMICS – THE NEW 52, with the top 10 titles being a combination of core classics, new titles and some surprises—including the top-selling book HARLEY QUINN #1, with more than 400,000 copies shipped.

>>85916672
>“This was a huge publishing initiative that we completely believed in, but it can be a little daunting keeping the world’s greatest superhero stories fresh while at the same time classic and familiar for the fans,” said DC Entertainment Publisher Dan DiDio. “The combination of a return to classic superhero storytelling with new storylines, new creative teams and a new lower price helped add readers to the marketplace, and we’re dedicated to continuing to bring them the quality of stories that will keep them coming back for more.”

>DC Entertainment Publisher and SUICIDE SQUAD artist Jim Lee said, “Our amazing writers and artists—such as Amanda Conner and Jimmy Palmiotti on HARLEY QUINN, and Greg Rucka, Nicola Scott and Liam Sharp on WONDER WOMAN—are hitting home runs with their books, and that’s bringing fans into comic book stores in droves. In addition, we are thrilled to see what Scott Snyder and John Romita Jr. are doing on ALL-STAR BATMAN, which is getting outstanding reviews from the press and fans across the board.”

>Fans who missed out on these titles in periodical form will have an opportunity to catch up on story arcs such as “I Am Gotham” (BATMAN), “The Lies” (WONDER WOMAN), “Son of Superman” (SUPERMAN), “Lightning Strikes Twice” (THE FLASH) and “The Extinction Machine” (JUSTICE LEAGUE) when they’re released as collected editions, available through comic book retailers, bookstores and digital platforms beginning in January.

http://www.newsarama.com/30846-dc-reports-12-million-rebirth-issues-sold-this-summer.html

MARVEL ANAD BTFO

>>85916651
Oh look another confirmation that DC plans did really go well
While Marvel Comics is in the shit

Good times to be alive.
I like this shift.
It will make Marvel to open their eyes and change stuff.

>>85916672
>Harley Quinn : 400k sales
Harley Quinn is DC's wonder woman

>>85916651
where is the source

>>85916799
in the third post

>>85916672
>President
Is this the first time DC publicly said he's president?

>>85916799
newsarama

I'd like to see this compared historically to other noteworthy summers for context (though of course I'm not trying to deny that it's an improvement over where they were before).

1 year ago I would've been mad about this
But now as a marvel fan this makes me happy

>release good comics and return favorite characters, everyone loves them
>release bad comics like anad marvel, no one reads them

simple and effective business strategy

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>>85916672
>“We listened to what the retail and fan communities thought was missing from our books and took the necessary steps to produce stories that have re-energized comics."
"What?! DC is so stupid." - Tom Brevroot

>>85916832
But Perlmutter cares. If Marvel continues to get ass kicked both in trades and in monthlies and digital, I can't see Axel and Tom keeping their jobs for long.

>>85916832
The Mouse may not be too happy that the division who should create new successful IPs is run by incompetent fat hacks

>>85916822
Can't say for sure. You have to ask whether it was included in the official release or did the person who wrote this article for Newsarama add that in. he's still only listed as CCO in the credits pages.

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>The flagship book, Geoff Johns’ DC UNIVERSE: REBIRTH SPECIAL, recently went back to press a fifth time and has sold nearly 350,000 copies.

Fucking glorious. Marvel will NEVER touch those numbers.

>>85916899
Pandering to normies has killed Marvel's cred with its diehard supporters. Probably the most likely reason their numbers have been so weak.

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>Suicide Squad is a box office smash despite critic shilling
>Marvel NOW 2016 is D.O.A. due to Rebirth selling off the charts
>huge positive fan reaction toward DC for bringing it back to basics while Marvel are getting pissed on for their diversity nonsense

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>Civil War 2 will outsell Rebirth

saving the industry by giving the people what they want, you can't make this shit up.

How
Monsters
Are
Made

>>85916949
The Mouse only cares about the movies since that and the merchandise from their is where they make so much money. But skinflints like Isaac would care since it reflects badly on him and his cost cutting philosophy.

>>85916899
Reminder that this man blamed the fans for Fantastic Four cancellation when everyone can verify that FF was well above the cancellation threshold

>>85916982
Bendis on suicide watch when? I can't get wait until they discover him amid a stash of white-lebanese gay cuckold porn.

>>85916961
sure they will but your store is going to have to buy 200% of their shipment of Champions #1 and Death of X to be able to buy variants of MU and Rogue One in the winter.

>>85916949
>>85917015
They probably won't care unless Marvel actually goes in the red.

>>85916651
>>85916672
>>85916703
Too bad they need to sell 122 goritrillions to break even...

>>85917038
He is a class corporate yes-man. First create the excuse for cancelling a book and then try and implement it. Except he is too fucking incompetent to do drive FF to cancellation numbers and in the end he has got egg all over his fat neckbeard face and probably threatening to call the cops on people when they call him on his lies.

>>85916930
What a shame that would be.

Honest at this point someone needs to go Night of the Long Knives on the Marvel office. Most of the writers are well past their prime, the editors don't do shit, and half of the artists draw like they failed pre-school Crayola class.

> DC Comics success
> Throws shit at DC films

Pitiful little creature.

>>85917077
>caring about movies

/tv/ ------------>

>>85917119
>not even giving him a pity (You)

coldblooded m8

Good news!

DC's Rebirth has given a lot of solid books, and the readers finally show that they prefer quality over the Bendis's and Marvel's shitty event policy. Hopefully Marvel will follow and go through some changes for what concern the current disturbing quality of their books, and they will try to deliver some better product.

>>85917118
That happens when anyone with any talent has been driven from publishing to other divisions or out of the company. All they have left are failures like Brevort and fossils like Bendis or Waid and burnouts like Robinson and Spencer.

The guy they have on talent recruitment is someone so incompetent he has been fired from DC and Wizard. Just think about that.

>>85917182
I really hope Now 2.0 failing like ANAD has will push them into changing things.

>>85916982
is that rusev

>>85917118
The higher ups are probably waiting for Marvel Nower relaunch(which I have no doubt will be successful) before making any move, but they will need to consider the drops: books like Champions risk to have titanic drops from the first issue to the second one.

>>85916749
>It will make Marvel to open their eyes and change stuff.

How long will that take?

Like they already have plans for Marvel NOW!!!!!!NOWER!!!!!! which fans seems to hate.

Like, do they have time to change things before Civil War 2 ends or we are about to see Marvel being shit in sales and fan response for like another year?

>>85917229
That would undermine the power/influence of the current regime at Marvel. It would probably sink sales since it would leave them without an audience.

>>85917077
>i only care about RT when it's convenient for shitposting

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>>85917077
It's a victory for comic readers. I don't expect a fa/tv/irgin to understand that, though.

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>>85916899
>Wearing a fedora
>IRL

>DC's comics sell more than Marlel.
Would have enjoyed this so much more if it was during the time fucking kate leth was publishing her tumblrshit on Marlel.
Carnage, Vision and Ultimates aside, people said the Spidey and Deadpool series is good and New Avengers so i might read those at some point.
I fucking hate Ramos' "art" tho.

>>85916846
>historically

Meh, people don't seem to realize that comics will never be as big as they use to be 30 to 50 years ago.

Even video games and movies in general are in a not so grear position right now with all the competition with social media, cellphones, youtube, netflix, etc.

I mean, do little kids even play with toys anymore?

I think that it was ok for a 12 year old boy to still being into toys but nowadays I can't even remember seeing kids older than like 5 playing with toys

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I'm happy DC found a happy middle ground with Rebirth. I started picking up trade around new 52 after years of reading the classics. Seeing Aquaman still going strong well into Rebirth was a huge sigh of relief for me.

>>85917305
>Renew your bows
Hawkeye retcon?

>>85917283
Every new bit of content published is done with netflix or a movie contract in mind

>>85917360
I'm not talking about 30 years but just other relaunches. I can't remember what time of year OYL ran but stuff like that would be comparable. Sales weren't dramatically different then.

>>85917326
Same man-baby who threatened to call cops on someone when they got triggered by fans on twitter.

>>85916980
>Marvel are getting pissed on for their diversity nonsense

How much can they backpedal that shit?

>>85916651
Good to see the industry being revitalized.
Hopefully this combination of old and new that Rebirth seems to symbolize will teach the guys at marvel to just fucking stop, and get it together. I would love to see marvel have a reboot that wasn't just about shitting on everything.

>>85917370
Vows sorry

>>85917380
The latest Moon knight run was the best example of this.

>>85916749
I hope so. I really want marvel to focus on telling good stories, rather than pandering to an audience that doesn't read nor buy comics. So much talent at marvel and the only decent books are carnage and vision.

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>>85917340
>Would have enjoyed this so much more if it was during the time fucking kate leth was publishing her tumblrshit on Marlel.

Wait, was Hellcat cancelled and we never heard about it? Whut?

>>85917407
Most of it is legacy characters who'd naturally get phased out. However a good amount of them are doing fine in terms of sales, so until they get into cancellation levels there's no real reason to cancel them. Shit like Gay Bobby however, is just there until enough people forget and they can just have him be straight....or say he's bi.

>>85917407
Probably not all. If they backpedal they lose the Social justice contingent. And the Marvel diehards probably requirement a greater effort at outreach such as restoring some of the old status quo: no Inhumans, more X-Men, no Jane, Spidey marriage etc.

>>85917486
Sorry anon, i just googled it and found out its still ongoing.
Just makes things better now, lol wonder if she still doesnt read Batman comics.
Also forgot to mention i like Moon Knight as well.

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So serious question. How the fuck is Marvel going to recover with the current dearth of talent in the company? For Rebirth, DC has systematically signed almost the entirety of this coming generation's top emerging talent and provided them with company veterans to help publish things in DC's particular style. They also have a spectacular talent scouting and development program. So after they're ready to move on from this wave of writers and artists they'll likely have the next wave already in place. I mean, of the three notable CA people (Khouri, Sims, Leth) they were smart enough to take only Khouri and are good enough to develop him into a fantastic editor. Marvel currently has nobody but old guard, DC mainstays from the previous generation and "talent" pulled from Tumblr. I simply don't see how they're going to pull themselves up any time soon.

>>85917077
Fuck off, even marvel fans in here see that this could lead to positive change. Go shitpost on reddit or wherever.

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How'd I do, /co/?

>>85917229
Wait are we not still in the ANAD age? That just started like this year at the end of secret wars, right?

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This is kind of reminding me of 2001-2003 era for DC desu, lest just hope they are smarter than before

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How about this?

>>85917537
Get a better talent recruitment director. The Wizard guy is just not good at his job since he has no experience.

Build or rebuild ties with Image so there is a pipeline from Image's desk to theirs for the top Indie talent.

Dump their underperforming writers to leave

Don't give Bendis/Aaron every event.

Less reboots

Stop pandering. Stop listening to Perlmutter.

Stop screwing X-Men and FF.

>>85917575
Why'd ya get two copies of rebirth?

>>85917537
More than half of the DC exclusives are underwhelming, anon
>They also have a spectacular talent scouting and development program
This is true
>Marvel currently has nobody but old guard
Marvel has been snatching up talent from DC left an right, In the past 12-18 months or so they've snatched Lemire(still a bright and fairly young talent in the industry despite his hit and miss backlog), Soule(he was looking good when he first started), Kuder, Del Rey, Saiz...I'm sure I'm forgetting lots. Obviously Marvel is in a sad state and even the good artists they stole from DC have been paired up with bad colorists/inkers and their work doesn't look as good but still.

Anyway, DC already won when they signed King.

>>85917584
I thought there was an ANAD before and another after Secret Wars, but the end of SW, flawed as it was, was the perfect moment to stop reading most Marvel books and never look back,

>>85917627
No fucking way.

>No mention on the titles being returnable

>>85917661
>underwhelming
Says who, you?

>>85917627
what the actual fuck is that issue anon, is it the original print

>>85917648
I'd buy more marvel if they fired bendis. Like I would buy books I don't even care about in celebration of the slaying of the beast.
He killed my venom and I'll never forgive him for that.

>>85917575
>Flintstones
my cro-magnon

>>85917655
The first issue I got was the hourglass one because the Dr manhattan variant sold out at my shop that weds, then they re-released it so I got it anyway.

>>85917407
Not even dc can backpedel on there few sjw fuckups (cyborg)

Although i reckon if you mask it in a bunch of other roster changes over a few months you could manage.

>>85917669
Makes sense. I really liked secret wars as an event, and some of the minis were pretty good but it just felt like once hickman fucked off they just handed the creative process over to bendis and the hack brigade.

and now all we have is vision and carnage.

>>85917731
Someone explains to me this whole variant/value over time/shops only getting X if they ask for Y variants stuff.

I only buy to read comics.

>>85916962
This does say something alarming about the superhero comic book market thoufh.

The New 52 tried to being in new people to capeshit, and it was a disaster. Marvel is trying to bring in new people to capeshit as we speak, and they're doing really badly.

Meanwhile, Geoff Johns says "fuck that shit, we're going to start pandering to nobody but superhero comic book fans again", and DC Comics are the most successful they have ever been since the eighties and nineties.

Rebirth being such a smashing success also means that capeshit is fucked forever. Only one type of superhero comic book sells to only one type of audience.

Wanna' know what's worse? That one type of auperhero comic book is what mass culture thinks ALL comic books are like. And that one type of comic book is taking over mass culture as well.

Fuck me, DC proudly proclaimed that they will stay stagnant forever, and they're making money hand over fist for it. Meanwhile Marvel wants things to change and nobody cares.

Fuck.

>>85917731
>Dr.Manhattan's arm at full lenght
Is that the only difference (with the logo's inversed colors and the price) between the first and the second print?

>>85917655
Not him but the 5.99 version has an actual spine and shit, I thought about getting the reprint myself because of that.

>>85917692
That doesn't actually have a huge bearing on sales, especially considering the multiple printings

>>85917769
Dc does not do incentive varients like marvel does.

>>85917661
The DC talent they have pretty much underperformed. Lemire especially since the best book they have given him is EXM while his strengths play more to lone characters. They should have given him someone like Thor, Cap, Iron Man or Spider-Man. But it just shows the problems at Marvel, too many old writers occupying the spots.

>Saiz

a step down compared to his work on ST.

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>>85917778

>Rebirth being such a smashing success also means that capeshit is fucked forever. Only one type of superhero comic book sells to only one type of audience.

this dude gets it

>>85917778
Maybe if marvel made a POSITIVE change, then change would start. Shitting on what people love about comics isn't really a change it's just bad business.
There are a ton of badass indie comics out there that aren't DC or marvel, if you're fed up with the way things are, maybe explore those some.

>>85917693
Yeah.

>>85917575

Gee, anon! how come that your mom let's you have two Rebirths?

>>85917661
>Lemire(still a bright and fairly young talent in the industry despite his hit and miss backlog), Soule(he was looking good when he first started), Kuder, Del Rey, Saiz...
Lemire, Soule, Kuder, Del Rey and Saiz were all New-52 people at DC. Marvel really hasn't "snatched" them so much as DC doesn't have any work with them in mind at the moment. They've already moved onto the next wave. These are the guys that I'm talking about when it comes to "DC mainstays from the previous generation."

>>85917793
>considering the multiple printings
>People still think multiple printings are anything else but variants

>>85917787
It does? Shit I might go nab a copy then

Wait does it still have ads? Ads are what keep me from ever nabbing floppies.

>>85917803
>The DC talent they have pretty much underperformed
Yeah, I did mention that.

>>85917661
>Kuder is Marvel
Shit, i really liked his art on Action Comics, he'll be missed.

>>85917778
Except there is a huge amount of diversity in rebirth

We have a fucking sociol comentary flintstones comic alongside a buddy cop green lantern, a batfamily and clayface team up, superwoman fucking red

And most of all a fucking horror romance coming out the 2 genres the cca absolutly slaughtered.

Hellblazer is back to what it should be again as well.

>>85917862
They aren't, why do you keep insisting that? When shops run out of a book that's still in demand then they order more

>>85917778
you forgot the books Marvel makes are terrible

>>85917778
>Only one type of superhero comic book sells
oh don't even start, Rebirth introduced a shit ton of characters like Superman son and the Chinese guy, without actually having to kill him

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What went wrong he was great at vertigo

>>85917836
To bad you are too bias over Marvel then.

>>85917756
Same, im >>85917340
Forgot to mention that Moon Knight is also good.
The latest Carnage issue reminds me why i used to like Marvel comics.
I miss the FF and the real X-Men, not that bullshit they put out as X-Men today, im currently reading Claremont's original run for the first time and is so much fun.

>>85917778
Are you seriously trying to white knight Marvel here?

>>85917778
Considering that even with focusing on bringing back old readers there still getting madsive amounts of new readers i think the industry is safe.

>>85917801
Well they do, but only for special releases. DKIII and Multiversity are the only recent titles I recall where they had 1:1XXX variants.

>>85917860
Kuder and Soule came later, Del Rey only did little work for DCYou(but it was her first major work for big two, she didn't even work for Image before). And they're all good talent(well, except for Soule) the fat that marvel are incompetent and aren't getting the best out of them is another story.

>>85917897
plenty shops get the other printings because most times they have different covers. My shop still has the DC rebirth book on the rack but they have the other printings

>>85917941
This years Moon Knight was the biggest disappoint delivered from marvel by far what are you even talking about.

>>85917885
>Hellblazer is back to what it should be again as well
No it's not, the DCYou ongoing was, this...is a step down. To put it kindly.

The fact they shit so much on the X-Men to push the Inhumans is mind boggling. From a business and marketing standpoint why would you sabotage one of your top selling series like that? Don't tell me they're so retarded they actually thought the Inhumans will be top sellers by pissing off people, and a fast rise at that. Maybe it's all handled by terrified ass kissers.

>Y-yes Mr Ike Sir. Our statistics indicate a rising interest in the Inhumans. AoS had a higher rating this week. W-we can put Bendis on an event as well s-sir?

>>85917778
>>85917818
>The failure of Pandering is bad.

No. If Marvel hadn't stood there with a bullhorn on the internet proclaiming their dedication to social justice, if they hadn't screwed franchises like FF/X-Men because of Perlmutter, if they had been more open to recruiting new editorial/artistic/writing talent, if they hadn't turned everything into a tie-in with the movies/tv shows, it wouldn't have been so bad.

What Johns showed was that ultimately talent both artistic/editorial matters. Nu52 failed due to heavyhanded editorial practices and the new talent being routinely fired by editorial on specious grounds.

What worked here is good editors recruiting decent writers and artists.

That is always what works. Good stories. Not moralistic preaching and pandering.

Lcs's are saved.

>>85917909
Huh? marvel barely has 5 worthwhile people working for them right now.

>>85917941
I only dropped moon knight cause ellis and shalvey are two of my absolute favorites and them leaving made me sad.

>>85917996
dcyou hellblazer only had the art going for it imo

>>85917980
>Read up to when they got into the city then forgot about it.
IDK why would it be the biggest dissappoint, it was underwhelming.
I liked the previous run by Ennis tho.

>>85917968
And Marvel took in Soule based on the strength of his DC work not realizing their editorial has been in a dismal downturn and that Inhumans is a dumb idea pushed by one lone jackass war criminal.

>>85918001
>heavyhanded editorial practices
Batman doesn't sit

>>85918058
Nah, writing was good.

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>>85917968
>Kuder and Soule came later, Del Rey only did little work for DCYou
No they didn't Soule was on Swamp Thing and Red Lanterns during the New-52 era. Kuder was on Action Comics during the tail end of the New-52 era and DCYou. Del Rey was on Constantine: The Hellblazer, which is DCYou but is still almost a generation behind where they are now in Rebirth.

>>85918074
not really

>>85918074
His dcyou was good all round but the final issue was fucking amazing one of the best hellblazer arc endings ever.

Im cautiously optimistic for his rebirth.

>>85918108
Well decent all round i guess
Still issue #13 knocked it out of the park.

>>85917801
>>85917964
The thing people hate with Marvel is that their incentive variants also often require you to order percentage increases over your previous orders. Like for Champions I think they want you to order that #1 as 200% vs whatever you ordered on ANAD Avengers #9. And that's separate from the ratio variants.

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This is just one shop in Ireland, but I'm wondering how well Slott's ASM has been selling at other stores.

>>85918088
They weren't there at the start of the New52 is what I meant, they came in 2 or so year in. And DCYou was only about a year and a half ago.

>>85917627
muh dick

>>85918171
I just want slott to fuck off, and that's coming from a guy that hates ramos and still enjoyed Superior Spider-man.

>>85918171
Block

>>85918060
But that's just it, this run had the potential to be amazing instead it was just a retread of shit we already know about Moon knight and his supporting cast. Literally EVERY cliche/trope we already know about the character (crazy, wants you to see him coming, protect knight travelers etc).

That shit was written for netflix executives. It was written to market off to suits. It went nowhere, and honestly was the final straw with me and marvel.

>>85918171
i honestly have to give props to Slott, no matter how bad his ASM his people will still read it because its spider man.
on another note, can someone tell me what the fuck Snyder did so Batman could be a top seller for pretty much 5 fucking years straight ?

>>85918108
Yeah it was well written and well drawn. 'cept for most of the Foreman fill ins. The guy that did the last issue was surprisingly good, I was expecting him to be shit but he was decent. Rossmo should've gotten an exclusive.

>>85917778
>The New 52 tried to being in new people to capeshit, and it was a disaster

I looked at it as the new 52 brought in a decent amount of new readers but lost a lot of old readers, then Convergence happened and they lost a few of the new readers and didn't get back too many old readers.

Now with Rebirth they're getting the best of both worlds.

>>85918219
>i honestly have to give props to Slott, no matter how bad his ASM his people will still read it because its spider man.

What else can you read if you're interested in Peter Parker? Spidey isn't worth much and I don't give a crap about Bland Mcdiversity Miles.

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>>85917964
>>85918153

>>85918310
...Frenchie, Greta and Crawley are all supporting characters and are featured throughout the entire book.
Did you only recognize Marlene? Jesus man read comics.

>>85918447
Meant for
>>85918310

>>85918447
I thought you were talking about the Ellis run.

>>85918556
Calling that a "run" is hilarious.

>>85918354
Its really absurd if it was just have to order 5 regular to get 1 incentive or something it would be retarded but bearable but all this percentage stuff is just stupid

If this continues and it will for a while, this will be the biggest year for comics since the collapse. Previously I think it was 2006/07.

>>85919105

u mean when civil war 1 was released??

someone at marvel fucked up the meme magic

>>85917077
You couldn't have picked up a worse time to call comics a dying medium, pal. Sales are re-emerging, old fans are coming back and new fans are being attracted by the movies. If anything they are being rebirthed.

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In a world where Harley Quinn is the top selling rebirth title
Can we say it was worth it?

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It springs eternal, /co/.

>>85919372
Do you have the full image?

>>85918219
>Can someone tell me what the fuck Snyder did so Batman could be a top seller for pretty much 5 fucking years straight ?

Have "Batman" on the title and get Capullo to draw it.

As a Marvel fan, I am absolutely happy about this. Other than the niche comic here and there, like Moon Knight and Vision, Marvel has been putting out shitty shit left and right.

>>85919278
Yes because that subsidizes things like the Deadman mini that sounds good

>>85916651
Any news on how many have been returned yet, or are we still in the denial phase and having to wait for the mass sackings when they need to balance their books next year?

>>85917778
The Hannah Barbera properties and young animal are different enough for this claim to be false, imo. Also rebirth is probably not going to last forever, so don't be worried.

Plus Johns insisted that it would incorporate elements from both the past and the present

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>>85919372
man never is, always to be blessed

>>85917270
Except not really. Marvel only cares to stir up click bait pages just to get on The View to talk about Those nerds that take comics too seriously! BTW, check out Thor Ragnarok coming to theaters REAL SOON!

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>>85919278
>Big popular titles bring in money than can be used to fund niche products and titles created largely for artistic purposes.
Yes. As long as DC is flourishing as a whole, we win. Buy more Batman and Harley Quinn, anon. I want these Young Animal and other titles.

>>85916651
>more than 60 issues exceeded 100,000
nice

>>85919278
Eh it was a kind of funny #1

>bragging that you have to constantly relaunch to get good numbers
>bragging that your past reboot was so awful, that everyone came back in droves to read the old universe again

Marvel and DC must know this reboot/soft relaunch shit is literally just papering over the cracks right?

>>85921580
my bet is DC will reboot again in 5 years

>>85921580
>Marvel and DC must know this reboot/soft relaunch shit is literally just papering over the cracks right?

It's rewrapping the same goddamn Fruitcake and re-gifting it year after year after year.

>>85921649
The've only rebooted like 3 times in 78 years and 2 times in the last 30. Relaunching is not the same as rebooting.

>>85917778
allow me to quote something saidover and over whilst the pendulum swung the other way.

>pandering is okay as long as it's pandering to you, right?

>>85921695
nah this was a reboot
Look at the new ted kord completely different to how he was presented in forever evil

>>85918001
Most rebirth books are meh but I guess that's better than any of them being terrible.

>>85921809
So Teen Titans was a reboot because it retconned 90's Superboy?

>>85921809
He's not really that different, just aged up a couple of years as time has passed in-universe and had some off-screen adventures

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/co/ celebrates rehashing and nostalgia bullshit instead of wanting new ideas and it's absolutely disgusting. You celebrate the stagnation of our beloved medium and you need to stop.

>>85922193
Not only is that totally untrue but more capeshit sales is good for indie publishers as well

>restarted most titles at issue #1
>DETECTIVE COMICS picked up with issue #934, while ACTION COMICS continued with issue #957

Wait, what is going on? I haven't been here in a while.

They restarted the restart but are also going back to the old shit?

>>85922367
Action Comics is actually starring the Post-Crisis Superman again, rather than the New 52 one.

Detective Comics went back to the old numbers just for the eventual 1000.

>>85922367

It was a sign of commitment to legacy. A good move if you ask me

>>85922367
They want that #1000 money in a couple years

>>85922408

Let's not pretend they both didn't go back for that sweet, sweet #1000

>>85921580
>that everyone came back in droves to read the old universe again

But that isn't what happened. All the Rebirth stories are continuing on from New 52

>>85922367
It's so that the numbering for DC One Million still makes sense.

>>85922683
>>85922685
I wonder what they'll do for those issues. Will it be part of an arc? Or will they both be oneshots?

>>85917778
>Fuck me, DC proudly proclaimed that they will stay stagnant forever, and they're making money hand over fist for it.

Don't fix what isn't broken.

>>85916832
>Unlike DC, Marvel has their shitty films rolling in cash

Just because critics hate them doesn't mean they aren't making money. They just hit 2 billion with their first 3 movies.

>>85917067
Why do retailers even bother with the incentive variants? There's no way it's good business for them. They probably get flooded with overstock on garbage titles for months.

>>85921809

You could always blame it on Darkseid War destabilizing things.

>>85922751
Has to be one-shots by A-List creators.

>>85922751
They will raise bill finger from the dead for detective

>>85922816

Yeah the DCEU has no financial failures yet. The MCU has a few flops like Hulk, First Avenger and Thor.

>>85919105
Nah, 2006/7 was peak. 2009 was collapse.

>>85917208
>getting fired for incompetency at Wizard of all places
wew lad, that explains a lot

>>85916961
Secret Wars #1 just last year sold over 500,000 copies as did Civil War II #1 this year. Marvel's events sell loads of copies even though they're shit.

>>85921809
That's a soft retcon. Happens in comics all the time. For example the origin of the molecule man has been changed like five times without the need of a reboot.

>>85919278
I don't care. I wouldn't even call it terrible, it's just not my style. As long as they continue to put out other good books I couldn't give less of a shit what's the top seller.

>>85923208
>opies as did Civil War II #1 this year.

No it didn't. It did 380,000 and then had a 50% drop with issue 2.

>>85921809
That's a retcon, something Marvel specializes in. This isn't a reboot.

>>85922751
They'll get Morrison to write a Hypercrisis crossover between the two books resulting in the birth of a real life Superman.

>>85917208
Waid's Black Widow book is pretty good.

>>85923208
They only get those numbers by selling 80 variants though. They're trying to do the same for Champions.

>>85917627
Holy shit

>>85923208
1. No it didn't

2. CW is tanking hard.

>>85917208
Meanwhile DC is snatching up talent left and right with exclusive contracts. It's slim pickings for Marvel right now and the good talent they do have is completely wasted.

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Should I do it lads? I can't believe I haven't been buying Superman since issue 1. I love Patrick Gleason.

>>85923262
I see my mistake now, the article just said "Civil War II sells 500,000 copies," it combined the #0 and #1 sales. Either way, the point is salient: Marvel still beats that number fairly regularly with its events if you're just looking for "who can sell the most with a single issue" rather than looking at the gestalt of the sales data.

>>85923472
Do it.

>>85923496
lol wow

>>85917739
They backpedaled the fuck out of black Wally.

>>85917648
>Build or rebuild ties with Image so there is a pipeline from Image's desk to theirs for the top Indie talent.

No. Fuck you. Leave Image out of this, they've got their shitty IDW instead. suck an egg.

>>85918001
>implying Rebirth isn't pandering
It's just pandering to people who actually read comics.

>>85923496

It didn't that with variants though mate. Johns Rebirth special sold on quality

>>85923675

Literally all entertainment is pandering to somebody. "Know your audience" is a saying for a reason

>>85923577

By giving him more exposure?

>>85917627
I dont get it

>>85923817
By making him not THE Wally of the universe.

>>85923472
doooo it

>>85923768
it sold on being $3 you ape.

>>85924219
only the first run was $3, every reprinting after that sold for $6 you mongoloid failed abortion bitch

>>85923522
>>85923952
Did it.

>>85917999
because they want to ensure Fox will have no new stories to adapt. If every X-Men story is tied to the Inhumans/Avengers, then Fox won't be able to loosely adapt storylines anymore.

>>85924465

They already have decades worth of stories though. Why bother being this petty ?

>>85924465
How could that do anything though? Fox can just adapt random single issue stories if they want still. Not everything has to be based off an event.

>>85923472

I love it, its the kind of thing 13 year old me would have loved to read, its pure fun and awesome with good moments scattered inbetween.

>>85924540
Because Ikke is running the shit show and he is a vindicative ass by all reports.

I really can't wait to see the August sales figures. Anyone wanna take a stab at DC's market percentage? I'm going with 40%

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It's weird to think that the New 52 launched half a decade ago. If only they'd launched it better.

>>85927184
Launching everything in a single month was fucking retarded in retrospect. They flooded their own market.

>>85927467
>Launching everything in a single month was fucking retarded in retrospect
>in retrospect
It's so blindingly obvious when looking at how Rebirth does it, but I really can't remember anyone pointing it out earlier. Out of all the nitpicking of the New 52 I remember seeing, nobody seemed to sit down and think about whether the most basic implementation of the launch was good.

>>85924465
I think it's more like: "we don't have the rights to the X-men or F4, so we're not going to give you advertising". But Fox kinda deserves it just because they're willing to shit out F4 movies just to keep the license.

>>85927567
It's hard because at the same time there's books that might have performed better if they were launched with some fanfare. Sword of Sorcery basically had no chance.

>>85927701
Sword of Sorcery also launched a year after the new 52 started. It was part of wave 3, nothing to do with launching everything else at once

>>85927594
Comics aren't advertising. People who read comics will likely go see movies regardless. It only hurts Marvel by giving up one of their most popular and profitable titles.

>>85927701
DC's marketing was terrible, and it's especially pathetic that DC wasn't even able to get brownie points for having a female-led book, written by a woman, and with a supporting cast made up almost entirely of women.

>>85927727
I'm arguing that if it was launched with the rest of them instead of in a later wave it likely would have performed better.

>>85923208
lootcrate inflation

>>85928127

It would have died with Blackhawks and O.M.A.C

Speaking of Blackhawks. somebody earlier said they missed those little boxes that told people to look at other issues for plot details. I saw one in Legends of Tomorrow telling people to look at Blackhawks of all things like 76 years after it was cancelled

>>85927991
DC just sucks are marketing.

People dicksucked Marvel for diversity while DC was quietly publishing Demon Knights, which had a trans character going through an actual story arc.

But since they didn't bother to advertise it, people ignored and yelled at DC for being a bunch of old fogeys.

>>85928568
>Demon Knights, which had a trans character going through an actual story arc.
Ah, Demon Knights, where the rest of the main cast was made up of lesbian rulers, a paraplegic woman, a sexually open woman warrior, a Muslim skeptic, a polyamorous woman, a guy with body image issues i.e. transdemon, and one white guy that betrays the team, all trying to get the two lesbians married. That Demon Knights?

>>85928725

>Vandal Savage
>White

>>85928725
And somehow it's /co/-approved, incredible what good writing will do

>>85916651
Wow, fuck DC. They just published a whole slew of shitty comics and blitzed the market with them so they could pretend they were selling. I guarantee that those are all hanging in fucking comic shops and not really selling. I'm pretty sure they're doing something criminal at this point, and they're going to put a bunch of stores out of business with this fucking stunt.

What can we do to pin something on them?

>>85928773
Good point, he's ambiguously tanned and from before all of human history.

>>85928785
I'm still butthurt that it was cancelled. It was also a "diverse" title in terms of genre, too, and I wish we'd get more stuff for the fantasy side of the DC universe, like this title and Sword of Sorcery.

>>85928930
>I wish we'd get more stuff for the fantasy side of the DC universe, like this title and Sword of Sorcery.
Fuck no, you're gonna get your JL and posse and you're gonna like it

Fuck Rebirth, at least with nu52 and their "The Edge" and "The Dark" lines the tried shit

>>85928930
well it had lost it's focus, writing team and art team by the time it got cancelled

>>85928891
>They just published a whole slew of shitty comics and blitzed the market with them so they could pretend they were selling

By having a staged relaunch over 4 months? Eat glass mate

>>85929001
>giving him (You)s
>falling for bait
Goddammit /co/

>>85929001
Yes, that's exactly what they're doing. Dumping books that don't fucking sell to bloat their sale numbers.

>>85923675
>Making products your customers want is pandering.
Wew lad. Sorry, but when a company starts trying to tell people what they want instead of listening to them, that's when things turn sour. See: Marvel, Apple, etc.

>>85928785
It also became /co/ approved in 2012 which was before Moot released /pol/ onto the rest of the website and before /tv/ started derailing any cape movie thread on sight

>>85928981
Yeah, I like a lot of Rebirth's output from a quality standpoint, but there were periods of the New 52 where I was much more hyped, just because I was getting titles that interested me. For fantasy, I used to have Aquaman, Demon Knights, the Forever Evil ARGUS mini, Swamp Thing, Sword of Sorcery, and Wonder Woman, not to mention parts of Animal Man, Batwoman, and Earth 2, and the non-New 52 Sensation Comics. Now, I have two of those titles.

>>85928998
True, but it was doomed to be cancelled within two years from the start, and that's what annoys me.

So this proves that the movies have no effect on comic sales.
Now can marvel stop with the forced synergy?

>>85929257
They do it because their writers are too lazy to read backissues when they can just watch a movie instead

>>85929347
That how bendis killed Rhodey.

>>85929257

The MCU looks more like proper Marvel than the comics do though

>>85917904
It always seemed to me that Marvel's working environment is cancerous.
Lots of cases of people, specially writers, doing well elsewhere and being shit at Marvel.
Can't be healthy being surrounded by people like Bendis, Slott, Waid, etc.

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>>85929026
>dumping books that dont sell
>to bloat sales numbers
>Books that dont sell
>selling
>faking sales
>by putting out books that dont sell
>putting out half as many books as Marvel, but releasing twice as fast, for half the price
>dumping

>>85917380
Not really. If Marvel's comic division were run as well as Marvel Studios, they would not be doing what they are doing.
Marvel rips from MCU but without the care for characters that Feige and co have.

>>85917407
No need to "backpedal" just have a fucking sensible approach to characters.

>>85929580
if you release twice a month it inflates numbers sold

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>>85929739

You dumb motherfucker

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>>85929739
>release book that doesnt sell twice a month
>to inflate sales
>books that dont sell
>twice
>to inflate sales

>>85929801
no it absolutely does, you just have to be selective on what you release as numbers

It's a marketing trick.

40,000 issues sold in August!
which is really a 20k selling book per issue

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>>85928891
>>85929026
>>85929739

You're aware that people have to buy those books for them to get any sales to begin with right?

You're aware that either way they still sold 12 million issues, by selling them, right?

Who gives a fuck if they cut down to half as many books but release them twice a month for half as much, thats literally a total fucking upgrade. You get twice the comic, for half the time, for almost half the price.

It doesnt inflate shit, timely, and its good on the wallet nigg.

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>>85929857
>we sold 40k books
>it doesnt count because its combined from two issues selling 20k
>we still sold 40k books

>>85929739
Yes, DC has increased its sales. I'm glad you got to this point, because now you're agreeing with us.

>>85929857
>40,000 issues sold in August! Which is really a 20k selling book per issue.
Sales reports give the issue numbers along with sales numbers, anon.

>>85929862
If you used to spend $4 a month on batman you are now spending $6

I'm not even the original guy, I'm just saying you can double monthly number by doing two releases to make monthly number appear higher when compared to single month books

>>85929739
...And?

They're still selling the number of books they said they're selling?

What the fuck is your point?

>>85929931
It's ok when DC does it

>>85929931
>If you used to spend $4 a month on batman you are now spending $6
you're spending 1.5 times more money for 2 times the amount of content.

How is this a problem.

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>>85929857

>>85929857
>40,000 issues sold in August!
>which is really a 20k selling book per issue

Yes this is how math works. Is that all? You graduated 3rd grade congrats it only took you 18 years.

>>85929968
I didn't say it was a problem I was correcting the second guy (still not the origin guy who was confused) by explaining how monthy total numbers are going to be bumped when compared side by side to one a month comics.

Marvel's done the same thing with main Spider-man books at times

>>85929931
>If you used to spend $4 a month on batman you are now spending $6

And getting double the content

>>85929931
>to make monthly number appear higher
>appear
I get what you're trying to say, but the reasons anons jumped at you was because your phrasing makes it sound as if the numbers are somehow faked.

>>85917627

Is that a fucking original?!

How much is that shit worth?!

Why keep it when they've reprinted it in Omnibuses, just sell that shit if it's worth more than $1,000 IMO.

Unless you're already wealthy.

Newfag i really liked some of the rebirth comics so and Marvel well i just like the vision comic, some of the new Hulk and Moon Night, but a friend tell me that Marvel dosen't have to give a fuck about his comic because of the MCU is this true or they are gonna start backpedaling like DC if the sales go to low?

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>>85930573
They already started backpedaling with pic related.
Spider-Marriage Rebirth! In alternate universe.

>>85930659
I already read that, it was good, but still i don't understand how the multiverse works right know, are they gonna recreate them, could this Peter replace the current one, would Miles be his own persona or at least less boring?

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>>85918219

Had Greg Capullo on art.

Here's the thing. Snyder doesn't suck and he writes fun stories. Court of Owls, Death of the Family, Zero Year, and Endgame are all fun. But they aren't amazing by any stretch of the imagination.

But Greg Capullo draws the FUCK out of Batman. He makes Gotham look stunning; he makes the villains look creepy. You can tell the difference between his Dickbats and his Brucebats...

And he makes Batman himself look like a creature of myth who's about to break someone's jaw with his fist!

>>85916982
>DC Universe: Rebirth? That was the trial run. Marvel wins.
Reminder that this is something Rich Johnston unironically and 100% seriously said.

>>85930853
Wish I could meme about twitter, hashtags and Captain Hydra but fuck it. It was hilarious to see all those people with Jewish grannies.

>>85930853
Technically he was right as far as media coverage went but he was retarded to suggest it would show in the sales.

And of course no one is talking about it anymore while Rebirth is constantly praised.

>>85927567
I think only Brian Hibbs pointed that out.

>>85931021

and iirc that article was about Marvel trying to take the wind out of the media sales of Rebirth.

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>>85930853
>DC Universe: Rebirth? That was the trial run. Marvel wins.

>>85924465
I think there just trying to make the licence so worthless fox will sell it for peanuts.

>>85923208
That reminds me

05/15 Secret Wars Ltd #1 - 544,342
05/15 Secret Wars Ltd #2 - 231,560 (-57.5%)
06/15 Secret Wars Ltd #3 - 224,067 (- 3.2%)
07/15 Secret Wars Ltd #4 - 221,041 (- 1.4%)
08/15 Secret Wars Ltd #5 – 204,416 (- 7.5%)
10/15 Secret Wars Ltd #6 - 192,244 (- 6.0%)
11/15 Secret Wars Ltd #7 - 177,019 (- 7.9%)
12/15 Secret Wars Ltd #8 - 169,667 (- 4.2%)
01/16 Secret Wars Ltd #9 - 149,028 (- 12.2%)

05/16 Civil War II #0 - 183,979 [+6,696]
06/16 Civil War II #1 - 381,737
06/16 Civil War II #2 - 148,403
07/16 Civil War II #3 - 176,876
07/16 Civil War II #4 - 126,865

And in case anyone was wondering the spike for the third issue was because of the rumored death of a major character.

>>85916749
Marvel doesn't give a shit about comic books

>>85931142
Bendis on suicide watch

>>85927567
Pretty much the only good thing about it is we got the new 52 #1 omnibus right away.

Although im the only person i know that buys that sort of thing i brought the nu52, villan month and #0 omnibuses.

Even having read most of the rebirths already im still probably gonna get the omnibus im a sucker for that sortt of thing.

>>85927991
I like that dc does not toot there own horn about there diversity.
It is a bit of a shame nobody else does it for them though.

>>85931021
Didn't Civil War 2 reveal that somebody was Hydra just so Bendis could repeat the same media blitz?

>>85928511
I think i saw a few refering to throne of atlantis.

>>85931142
>And in case anyone was wondering the spike for the third issue was because of the rumored death of a major character.
It didn't even get a thirty thousand boost jesus christ Bendis kill yourself my man

>>85930853
>>85931021
>>85931063

Why does the media intentionally put out hit pieces against DC? For fucks sake, some of them are still trying to spin Suicide Squad as a flop.

>>85928891
>they're going to put a bunch of stores out of business
You mean like marvel requiring stores to order more then they need to get varients

You mean the dc whos comics are returnable.

You mean the rebirth that has brought total comic sales to a level not seen in years.

The books that have been going to second and 3rd printings

Yeah i can see why that might put retailers out of buisness.

>>85928981
It was kind of nice that they had that diversity of genre.
Still if rebirth does well they can afford to take all sorts of risks we already have a horror romance coming out. And green lanterns is a buddy cop book.

>>85929026
If thats there strategy that would not have fucked up this weeks release schedule so hard.

>>85931318
Young Animal and Hanna Barbera too. It's only really the main line that is kind of tame but it makes sense to line the pockets there to solidify things first.

>>85931246
>against DC
>Suicide Squad as a flop
Please don't fucking bring up the DCEU shitshow in an actual comic thread.

>>85929739
There are still less total titles a month then marvel.

>>85931360
This is something I've noticed that moviefags literally can't help themselves on. Kind of odd how they feel the need to comment when it doesn't apply.

>>85917648
>Stop listening to Perlmutter

Not happening unless Big Daddy Mouse steps in. And they have bigger fish to fry than a division of one subsidiary that doesn't make all that much from comic sales.

That or a new billionaire CEO.

>>85931021
Thats the hilarious thing people are barely even talking about the bad comic.

>>85931380
>when it doesn't apply

Except it does? In both cases you have the media spinning HARD to call anything DC related a flop. Or are you really trying to pretend "DC Rebirth was the trial run. Marvel won." was totally on the level and not a hit piece?

And let's not forget

>DC Tries Make Us Believe It Cares About Expanding Diversity in Comics With New DCYou Campaign

>>85931412
>Aquaman #4 outsold Captain Hydra #4
Beautiful.

>>85931246

Mouse-money.

>I wish I were joking

Marvel had a lot more artistic integrity before they were bought by the mouse.

At the very least they could fold Gargoyles into the Marvel Universe. I'd love me a Zanatos Norman Osbourne team up!

Also Daredevil/Spidey teaming up with the Manhattan clan would be great!

>>85931360
Its pretty relevant when talking about sales its unclear how effective movies are at advertising comics but theres at least some effect.

>>85931412
I don't think it's bad, just didn't warrant all that freaking out.

>>85931437
Not surprising. Nobody fucking gives a shit about Marlel's trashy D-Listers unless they're in movies.

>>85931432
It doesn't apply because it's completely different media outlets and there's tons of threads you can talk about movie shit in instead of attempting to derail this one.

>>85931446
I don't really like Spiderman but I would legit be excited by that. Disney tends to shit on their TV properties, though.

Who did those Darkwing Duck comics? IDW? I'd trust them over Marvel to make decent all ages adventure books.

>>85931452
But muh you move speech is better than talking to fishes.

>>85931437
To be fair there has been a very carefuly crafted effort to boost aquamans popularity the last decade or so.

It only softens the blow for cap hydra a tiny bit though holy shit i would love to be a fly on the wall at marvel right now.

>>85929739
>I don't know what the word inflation means

>>85931469
>it doesn't apply even though it's literally exactly the same thing

>>85931484
>I respond to posts from two hours ago

>>85931446
Im just glad marvel comics sjw shit has not infested the movies.

>>85931481
You're not seriously comparing Aquaman's popularity boost push to Cap's are you?
>3 well received live action movies
>2 of which alot of people consider the best movies in the MCU
>1 of which came out only a few months ago
>all the media attention Hail Hydra got
all that compared to fucking Aquaman and it still couldn't beat it. Aquaman had nothing compared to that push.

>>85931474
I never liked that speech. For a character who is ostensibly supposed to be Marvel's paragon of virtue it's a really nasty and authoritarian dressing down of the common man. It always seemed like a comic book version of the John Galt speech, and it really turned me off of the character for a long time.


>>85931484
dobson.jpg

>>85931485
>I don't know anything about comics so I'll bring it up what I do know in every thread to turn them into movie threads

Shit needs to stop my man. Especially when most of the comic press has stopped shilling Marvel and started giving DC some credit. Worst thing you'll see said about DC these days is from guys like the Outhousers saying the industry needs to die because Marvel cancelled a book no one was buying.

>>85931531
Fuck your right i am retarded.
And aquaman had to climb from a much lower point then cap to.

>>85916899
It's amazing how Marvel is so up their own ass that they don't even want to listen to fans, and are losing sales by the loads for it. Whereas DC actually listened to complaints, and are actually working hard to fix their mistakes, even if I disagree with some of their decisions.

>>85931501
There's a difference between "people" and a "massive media-driven hatemongering campaign."

http://www.avclub.com/article/weekend-box-office-finally-something-other-suicide-241808

>Our weeks-long national nightmare of watching worthier movies underperform as Americans gave away their hard-earned dollars on the Moloch-esque sacrificial altar of theSuicide Squadhype machine is over. The feature-length DC Comics trailer fell to No. 2 with $12.1 million this weekend, beaten by a well-received R-rated genre film made for a fraction ofSuicide Squad’s budget:Don’t Breathe, which took $26.1 million to land at the top of the box office.

>>85930659

>In an alternate universe

Giving fans what they want but not at the same time. I'm actually even more pissed off at OMD than I already was

>meanwhile DC still only has equal market share with Marvel while just hot off a reluanch

>>85931580
>even if I disagree with some of their decisions.
Yeah i feel there have been a few missteps along the way but there learning from most of there mistakes instead of digging there feet in.

>>85931621
>meanwhile dc is auctualy gaining momentum after a relaunch.

>>85931588
PLEASE fuck off back to your shitty sub.

>>85931621
>meanwhile DC put out a full 1/3 less comics than Marvel
>meanwhile DC comics are a full $1 or more cheaper
>DC wins dollar share
>DC wins market share

>>85931142

Fuck this shitshow event will be doing under 80k when it finishes

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>>85931588
>"massive media-driven hatemongering campaign."
>literally just the AV Club shitposting

>>85931621
>equal market shares with only 70% of the number of issues shipping and the majority of the line $1 cheaper

This is bad?

>>85931537
Yeah, ditto. When I read it first time it looked awesome. Then I got to think and he seemed like Tony during Civil War.
>>85931557
Aquaman's still climbing.
>OMG they're trying too hard with these feats, WTF are they thinking, it looks so fake
>>85931606
I think it's genius. You get Slott-Man in 616 and get what people want in another universe. Double money from Spiderfans.

>>85931621
How many more books does Marlel publish than DC, again?

If Marvel hires 30 teams to publish 30 books and sells 11 total comic, and DC hires 10 teams and sells 10 comics, then yeah, Marvel may have sold more, but you can't say that Marvel is actually succeeding.

>>85929377
Which is sad.

>>85931644
>Subs
Fresh off the boat from Reddit are we? We call them "boards" here, newfag.

>>85931621
>meanwhile DC publishes 1/3 the number of books Marvel does

>>85931481
>To be fair there has been a very carefuly crafted effort to boost aquamans popularity the last decade or so.

In comparison to the movies Cap has been in? Marvels failure to capitalize on the movie popularity is astounding

>>85917778
I'd rather have something stagnant but good over new but awful. Marvel is literally the worst it's been in over a decade, and that's fucking saying something.

>>85931696
Nobody reads Marvel comics.

>>85931703
There not even learning to be more careful about the industry after they crashed it last time.
If rebirth had not come and skyrocketed total comics sales it would not be much longer before incentive varients forced hundreds of stores out of buisness.

Still marvel cant do much damage now all the new readers who are auctualy staying will be a boost to all companys but marvel will probably get the comparatively smalest boost.

>>85931621

Yeah and DC is about to fuck Marvel in the ass with Harley's mallet when the August sales come out

>>85931696
lol They can't even make Iron Man popular with comic readers (protip hire someone who can actually draw mecha, and forget the Tony was adopted story ever happened)

>>85931747
Dunno, DC didn't really put out any books except a couple of annuals due to 5th week this past week. Whereas Marvel put out all their normal books.

Speaking of. Why do DC still do a 5th week? Marvel seems to have stopped treating it like an extra and just put out their regular books.

>>85931777
>Tony was adopted
Fucking what now?

>>85931747
why are you acting like this is at all a good thing

>>85931781
>Dunno, DC didn't really put out any books except a couple of annuals due to 5th week this past week.

Were talking about all of August where Harley sold 400,000 , More than Civil War II #1 made. Let that sink in. Harley Quinn is more popular than the entire Marvel universe

>>85931806

I'm not. I'm just pointing out to that guy that who thinks DC's dominance is already over and isn't about to grow

It's actually kind of hilarious how quick people are to defend DC all of a sudden.

Screencap this, DC is going to fall to under Marvel's marketshare by at least 10% in at least 3 months. Actually, make that 2.

>>85931835

When Marvel has their next relaunch? Wow what a brave prediction

>>85931835
>It's actually kind of hilarious how quick people are to defend DC all of a sudden.
>All of a sudden

/co/ has always been primarily pro DC

>>85931835
Why should I screencap this? Marvel has a relaunch coming, of course they are gonna get the marketshare lead in two months

Remender

What actually went down between him and Marvel?
Hell, I'll take rumors. Anything, I just want some insight.
All I (think I) know is that he was supposed to take the reigns of the X-books and then he didn't.
Did he give Brevoort a bottle of Hobo-brewed Peach Tea?

>>85931871
>tfw everything sells like shit
>except Solo, Slapstick and that third Merc guy book
>>85931980
>he wants Axis in Uncanny Avengers only
>Marvel makes it an event
>Remender packs his bags and leaves

>>85931871
It will be like ANAD, good first month and everything snaps back to the same sales right after.

>>85931996
Because as much of a steaming piece of shit /tv/ used to be, they've still made it worse

>>85931991
>Axis
He stuck around for a while. Pretty sure he did a Secret Wars thingy too.