Paul Dini discusses Suicide Squad, Harley Quinn and the DC Extended

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>Of course, one of the criticisms Suicide Squad has received is that it did not devote much time to the full extent of Harley and Joker’s toxic relationship, elements which have since been revealed to have been cut from the movie. This, however, didn’t bother Dini; “If this is the first time that a movie audience sees Joker and Harley, let’s give them a place to go from. I certainly didn’t mind that he seemed to love her and came after her, that he had this passion for her. I feel like let’s not do the whole Joker and Harley relationship in one movie. Let’s show them have a ‘happy ending’ and go from there with the next movie by bringing in the idea he’s not the world’s greatest boyfriend and it sours and she gets away from him.”

http://www.flickeringmyth.com/2016/08/paul-dini-discusses-suicide-squad-harley-quinn-and-the-dc-extended-universe/

>>85907094

paul dini. isnt this the furfag who worked on tiny toons who had a sexual fetish for fifi to the point it was even mentioned in the end credits on one episode?

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>>85907238
It's the man who wrote the best OGN of the decade.

>>85907270

Man that book hit a little too close to home

>>85907121
As i have been saying jokers relasionship with quinn can be salvaged in later films

>she gets away from him
I understand the need to do this for the jokers sake but i think give her one full movie with him then start to break them up in the next one with ivy so she can go full solo in the 3rd give it time.

>>85907270

you are dodging the original question by posting other works he did besides what OP asked. now, isnt this the same paul dini that wanted to fuck fifi?

>>85907282
Who was she anon?

also

>That Emmy Scene

>>85907285
Oh and if she does have to leave without ivy do the hyenea thing that is pretty much the only way i can buy her leaving him without extended time away (i really do think they should make it more well known that he set the hyenas on her it made the whole her abandoning him a lot less bullshit.)

>>85907302
Your original question was a shitpost designed to discredit someone who likes a good movie.

I have no idea who he wanted to fuck, you probably know he did anyway. I just don't care.

Between ostrander giving his stamp of approval (kind of he still tore into the editing a bit) and dini approving of quinn can we finaly admit the movie was only kind of bad.

>>85907355
>>85907302
Your both faggots but yes
Don't Tell Anyone - Fifi Is Secretly Engaged To Paul Dini

>>85907306
>That Emmy Scene
I've never been so uncomfortable while reading a comic in my life.

>>85907364
I found it quite good.
Not a masterpiece like BvS, but really fun.

El Diablo's final form had me grinning with excitement.

>>85907306
>That Emmy Scene

I would want to say I won't get to that but I don't know anymore

>>85907121
>Let’s show them have a ‘happy ending’ and go from there with the next movie by bringing in the idea he’s not the world’s greatest boyfriend and it sours and she gets away from him.
Needs two movies for this.

>>85907364
I liked it much more than MoS and BvS. The editing was a massive problem, but the actors and the little vignettes of character interaction totally worked for me. And whether you liked this version of Harley or not, Margot Robbie really was excellent. I'm glad there will be a sequel.

>>85908004
>And whether you liked this version of Harley or not, Margot Robbie really was excellent.
this
I'd only seen her in WOWS before this, and I didn't realize how good of an actress she is.

>>85908053
She really did steal the movie, and the rest of the cast wasn't bad. If they did some Sirens movie or solo with her, I'd be on board.

>>85907306
It's not about their girl who uses the guy, it's about the insecurities and the self loathing.
Man this book was amazing.

>>85907302
Sure, just like most of /co/.

>>85907364
Of course they are gonna say they like it, otherwise DC would blacklist them.

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>>85909472
>they can't be telling the truth no that's impossible

>>85907364
Does Dini ever not approve of an incarnation of Harley Quinn? Hell, the whole reason that the character stuck around like she did was because the guy insisted in putting her in everything he worked on.

>>85909472
or maybe they're vets who have seen dozens of adaptations and just accept that things will be different from how they did them, and also appreciate the boost in royalties

>>85907094
The problem with this shit is all these things are done with people who are required, either by contract, blind loyalty or unspoken "if you want to keep working with us, you know what to say", to like it. Like, shit, of course Bill Murray said he liked the new Ghostbusters movie. He was fucking in it, he had to. No one will ever be allowed to give their real opinion on something they hate barring maybe Moore because he's a crazy old coot who lives in a barn somewhere and everyone is afraid he might actually be a wizard, so they stay away.

>>85909539
see
>>85909486

>>85909554
He's right, though. It's pure marketing.

>>85909570
see
>>85909486

>>85909554
If they're telling the truth, then Dini really must enjoy seeing his creation being turned into a generic Hot Topic selling point with no original jokes and basically tailor made to sell t-shirts to scene kids. They are taking one of the more interesting dynamics in the Batman universe and making it safe to sell to normies. Clip off all the original shit, get rid of anything comic fans liked about her because they're nerds, fuck them, then give her a bunch of shitty one-liners people will be repeating the next day.

>>85909609
But her current comic self is much worse than the movie.

>>85909607
Denial can take you so far, senpai.

>>85909642
>the more simple explanation is more unlikely
wew

>>85909639
Her current comic self is either Nu52 garbage or being based on the movie version. DC is really in love with making bad choices. Their comics got rebooted for no reason, then written by idiots and their entire cinematic universe is just them trying desperately to copy Marvel's and failing miserably because they hire hacks like Nolan and Snyder.

>>85909683
Calm down, mouseketeer. DC are making more money right now so they're obviously not making wrong decisions. Their products are of higher quality too, so...

>you saw little vignettes that spoke to the heart of DC Comics and DC Comics fans, like The Flash taking down Boomerang or the stuff with Batman and Deadshot or Batman and Harley on the car
Exactly what I liked about it. You can get some great moments that feel like they're part of a rich history without having to be "built up" through five movies.

>>85909683
OK, so you don't read comics, but feel your opinions are somehow worth anything to the comics board?

>>85909683
>hacks like Nolan and Snyder.
ooff played your hand to soon m'jew

>>85909472
Ostrander criticised the editing just like everybody else did anon.

>>85909609
At its core the films harley had pretty much the same personality as tas harley

>>85907364
Mediocre.

Could have been great, but shit editing, it was obvious Big Willy was a line counter, needes a Will Smith rap, soundtrack was jarring, Croc had no purpose and Slipknot's actor was wasted on a bit role, and the Enchantress storyline was dull and despite how cool her iriginal appearance was, the design on her weapon, true self, and brother sucked.

But...the parts that were good were REALLY good.

Thor tier as a whole, although the extended 3 hour cut could be fucking amazing. But in the shit DC Cinematic Universe so far, its easily their Captajn America 1 (fuck you all, Cap 1 is the best cape movie ever made).

>>85909712
Money doesn't equal better, anon. They're just selling to the lowest hanging fruit. People who draw gross, furry fetish porn make tons of money from commissions. I'm talking diapers and inflation etc. etc. That doesn't mean they make good content, it means they know who the easiest marks are to get paid.

>>85909683
>Their comics got rebooted for no reason
They got rebooted because they fucked up and they acknowledged it.
As for written by idiots i dont know what you have been reading but most of rebirth has been great

>>85909771
>Money doesn't equal better, anon.

When Marvel sells nearly twice as many books and has a whole dollar or two on them price wise, yes it does mean DC is doing better and Marvel is fucking up.

>>85909812
>Marvel sells nearly twice as many books
>DC is doing better
...Uh, anon?

>>85909829
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're just pretending and not actually retarded.

>>85909539
These people have no obligation to say anything good about the movie. Ostrander already got his royalty check. He rarely does work for either of the big two anymore, and when he does it's because someone asked him to because his name sells books.

Same when O'Neil said he liked Iron Man, but I guess that doesn't count because his opinion aligned with yours.

Maybe it just so happens that Ostrander, Dini and O'Neil are all nice guys not jaded by years of internet hipster cynicism and are more excited to see their work and passions up on the big screen than to see some piece of kino or whatever shit you expect.

>>85909829
They're selling more titles but less copies of said titles, you baboon.

Well he has a point you can't just have harley go through an entire progression with the joker in one movie.
Although I sense the cut scenes had him being more abusive and her eventually going against him
The ending was the same though

>>85909511
That's partly true but then that's also on DC for never using her in the first place

>>85909609
I'm sure he's liking the uptick in residuals he's seeing for creating Harley but other than that I have a feeling he would say he didn't like this harley if he didn't like it.

>>85910114
When you're a famous creator, you don't really get the ability to have an opinion on anything anymore. Sure, some people still do, but it's rare. Dini is a very big name who's still making shit, so if he pissed off the wrong people he'd get in some deep shit. He'd get more money pretending he liked something than admitting he hated it.

>>85910264
shut up retard

>>85910292
Wow, you're really good at debating.

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>>85910495
yoyoyo thanks m'dog

>>85909515
Does Dini even get royalities from Harley?

I thought there was some drama a while back about an interview where Dini or Timm said they don't get shit from Harley appearing in things.

I may be thinking of something else

>>85910495
Better than you. Repeating the same shit over and over won't make it true.

>>85910527
When it hasn't been disproved, yeah.

>>85910599
see
>>85910292

>>85909869
>These people have no obligation to say anything good about the movie.
who's going to hire you if you talk shit about a film your in that is currently trying to gain sales?
You can't call a film you just work in shit because then other studios will question if you be a liability to sign on for a roll.

>>85910681
>not saying something good=saying something bad
see
>>85910292

>>85907121
>Let’s show them have a ‘happy ending’ and go from there with the next movie by bringing in the idea he’s not the world’s greatest boyfriend and it sours and she gets away from him.”

that is a spin doctor if I ever saw one.

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>>85907094
I liked Harley too, and while I'm not the biggest fan of this new Joker I liked their dynamics. Well, the little of them there was

Unfortunately that doesn't make up for the whole movie. But at least I can say I enjoyed the character. Hope for a better suit next time tho

>>85910739
see
>>85910292

>>85910928
shut up retard

>>85907364

>Between ostrander giving his stamp of approval (kind of he still tore into the editing a bit) and dini approving of quinn can we finaly admit the movie was only kind of bad.


Why would the opinions of the original creators make me ignore the filmmaking and performance issues I had with the film?

Of course Dini loved the movie, Margot Robbie was the best part of the film and the camera loved her. She's a genuine movie star and she used all of her charisma on the screen to almost make you forget how broken of a movie it was every time she was on-screen. She even managed to make me not hate Leto Joker for a few minutes during the joyriding scene. Whatever you want to say about the costume or the makeup or whatever, seeing your creation own the screen like that must be a great experience as a writer.

But him and Ostrander liking the movie doesn't somehow negate my issues with the film. It's nice that they enjoyed it, but I still think it's a mostly terrible movie. Their opinions don't somehow change the issues I had with the film.

I don't put a lot of stock in the opinions of the original creator when it comes to adaptations fo any kind. It's a different format with a different style of storytelling, it needs its own creators to work on it and shape it into something else that works in that new format.

>>85910946
see
>>85910946

>>85910997
>terrible
I too ADORE hyperbole. Are you perchance in london?

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>>85911024
We're done here.

>>85911052
Oh anon, we've been done since the first time your only rebuttal was "shut up retard". This is just shitposting now.

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>>85911096
see
>>85910527

last (you) btw

>>85911038

It's not hyperbole. i went in expecting a movie and I got nine bad music videos glued together with all of the act structure and character arcs sliced out in favor of empty style.

It wasn't even a good David Ayer movie. He's a gonzo lunatic, but at least his movies have an edge that I usually fin entertaining when it's done well. This had all of that cut out in favor of more terrible flashbacks.

BvS was an awful movie, but it was at least a movie. This felt like a half-done assembly cut of a film that was ripped off the editing rack and slapped into theatres.

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>>85907364
I like your way of thinking, Anonymous

>>85911146
>BvS was an awful movie
Oh.
I have nothing more to say to you.

>>85911149
>Cameron is as trustworthy as Dini
epic false equivalence my man

>>85911209

I have no idea now bvS fanboys defend Suicide Squad.

The whole drum that they were beating was that DC was letting auteurs make their own personal visions and essentially create 150 million dollar art films, as opposed to the MCU. Then Suicide Squad is literally the exact opposite of that, a film that had any shred of personality outside of the art direction ripped out and then they defend that too, arguing that the criticisms are part of a massive international conspiracy involving hundreds of individual blogs and newspapers that would make the CIA blush.

You can't have it both ways. Either the DCEU is "le house of kino" or it's not.

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>>85907364

>>85911149
I agree too, we should go rewatch the movie, and bring all our friends!

>>85911343
BvS was kino. SS is just a pretty good way to kill two hours.
Far from terrible.

>>85911346
see
>>85911237

>>85911391

>action movie with no good action
>good way to kill two hours

I sure love movies that consist entirely of disconnected character vignettes set to pop music too.

>>85911343
Just yesterday a guy on a SS thread was saying MCU movies are so successful only because "the majority of the population isn't very intelligent"... in a thread about how successful SS is

Of course it's different people saying different things, but it does make it feel like the whole fanbase is just grasping at the most currently convenient straws. And I'm not implying SS isn't successful to whatever extent, that isn't my point

>>85907364

It was good. I don't understand why this and BvS get so badly shit on by critics compared with say Iron Man 2 and Thor TDW. I love Marvel but both those are dreck and have aged very badly.

Suicide Squad had problems like the entire 3rd act, Enchantress as a Power Rangers villian, Joker wandering in randomly because most of his scenes were cut, members of the sqwad other than Deadshot and Harley having no development .. Ok scratch what I was saying. It was a shite movie and deserved the critical panning.

>>85911462
>>action movie with no good action
We already went through this.

>>85911474
>the majority of the population isn't very intelligent

this is true though

not even a DC movie fan btw
look at any IQ distribution graph

>>85911474
I take what I read here with a grain of salt. You never know who is actually retarded or just pretending for (You)'s.

>>85911561
Not denying that
Point is, what's the point of gloating about how many people are enjoying SS while also claiming most people's opinions aren't trustworthy?

>>85911562
True that

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>>85907238
Doesn't everyone?

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>>85911746
I can only speak for myself, but I never enjoyed 1.jpg's bullshit or these new abortions that need to believe that SS is a flop.

I've just been baffled by the shocking idiocy of people ever since this one-two punch.(pic related)
I would honestly reverse these scores.

I feel like i'm in bizarro world.

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>>85909486
You act as if because you work for a company, you are going to blindly like whatever they put out. You got to put on a face for the public and promote it, even if you don't like it.

My brother was working at Comic Con in Dallas for one of the vendors. He got a buddy to cover him for a few hours, so he managed to get into the Frank Miller panel. This is just his own recollection of what he told me had happened.

>go to Dallas Comic con a few months back
>Frank Miller has a panel, along with Azzarello and whoever else worked on TDKIII
>answering the usual questions from fans
>Miller loves to tell everyone how much he hates Hal Jordan
>fans having a couple of chuckles, good time
>THE question comes up
>"So, what did you guys think about BvS?"
>silence from the panel guests
>silence from the fans
>Azzarello looking at Kubert and Janson, who are either shrugging or looking in another direction
>Miller already looking more depressed than when he got the news about his cancer, head leaning down staring at the floor
>Azzarello: "Um... I liked it"
>Kubert: "Yeah, it was... cool?"
>Janson looking like he's ready to make a break for it.
>Miller: "Well, I uh, liked Batman, I thought he was pretty cool. The Batmobile was awesome. Uh, yeah"
>fans still quiet
>Janson is already out the emergency exit
>Kubert is nervously taking a sip out of his water
>Azzarello has his head down, hands to the side of his face to hide from the cameras and stares from the room
>Miller had just coughed up a pint of blood and promptly passed out on the table

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>>85911836
>lying on the internet

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>>85911870
>Implying Miller doesn't have cancer

>>85911825

>I've just been baffled by the shocking idiocy of people ever since this one-two punch.(pic related)
I would honestly reverse these scores.

And i have no idea how anyone could think BvS could be anything more then a 2 or 3 out of 10, and that's being as nice as humanly possible.

I had a great time with The Force Awakens.

>>85911836
Ostrander doesn't work for DC.

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>>85911941
>I had a great time with The Force Awakens.
Seriously, no offense, but if you really hold that opinion, I don't know what to say.
As I said, bizarro world.

Obviously this image twists the times of a few things, but I think the fact that you can get close to this close to SW 4's plot at all and be called good is disgusting.

>>85909609
>HURRR DURRR JOKER ALWAYS BEAT THE SHIT OUT OF HARLEY WHENEVER HE SAW HER

You should watch BTAS and read some comics for once.

>>85909768
>fuck you all, Cap 1 is the best cape movie ever made)
I wouldn't put it at the top but it's up there. Definitely the best MCU movie.

>>85909768
>>85912038
>not Iron Man
Only genuine film in the MCU.

>>85909829
>I was only pretending to be retarded

>>85912009
Enjoying watching TFA isn't the same as thinking it's the hottest shit or not being supremely disappointed with its shameless lack of any sort of creativity or setting advancement.

I liked the movie when I saw it, both times. I thought it told an engaging enough story with solid enough acting. But the more I considered it the less I liked pretty much anything about the story or the plot. Rey doesn't bother me as much as it bothers others, but as a whole the story precludes pretty much anything really fun from happening between the OT and it, and sets up a universe exactly as the ending of the OT anyway, only one more like the ending of ANH.

I don't really like it overall as the foundation of the new post OT canon, but in it of itself it was fine.

>>85912009

The entire movie is about how the universe is obsessed with the legacy of the past. The First Order is a group of insane fanboys desperately trying to rebuild the "good old days" in the shadow of the Empire. Kylo Ren is trying and failing to become the next Darth Vader. Finn is doing his best to run away from his past while Rey is wasting her future thinking about her past. Han stops running away and has to deal with the pain of his own failed legacy. Every character with the exception of Poe and Snoke is connected to the aftershock of the original trilogy in some way.

The story cycle repeating itself made perfect sense. JJ made a Star Wars movie about the legacy of Star Wars and how hard it is to escape the titanic shadow of the original trilogy. I have no idea how people can write ten thousand words about Batman v Superman and its thematic influences but refuse to put any thought into TFA beyond Disney being the devil and Rey being a Mary Sue.

I thought the Force Awaken was absolutely fascinating. i hope in a few years the people who keep screaming about it being the end of cinema actually take a real look at it.

>>85907285
Yeah the joker/Harley dynamic was one of the few things I really liked. It took a long time for you to realize why a fucked up situation those two had in the cartoon, at first they were lovey sorry and ridiculous. Also I don't get what people don't get about the scene with Common. Joker wanted to fuck with someone's head and then kill them. So he put Common on a situation that he didn't k ow how to deal with to watch him squirm and then he killed him.

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>>85912120
I deleted my first reply to this.
You really do have terrible taste though, and are complicit in the ruination of original ideas.

Embrace George.

>>85912227
>The entire movie is about how the universe is obsessed with the legacy of the past.
No, it's about how Disney is obsessed with rekindling the past.
I admire your hopeful delusion though.

>>85908004
Strongly agree. Characterization and acting weren't the problem, editing, soundtrack and some choice lines "I don't want to lose my family etc" and plot fucked the movie

>garbage action scenes against a bunch of faceless enemies
>bad cinematography
>shortcut characterization and development
>no thematic or narrative depth
>unimaginative soundtrack
>unfunny, forced jokes (because that's what people like! look at Marvel!)
I can't believe anyone can genuinely deluded themselves to think this is a good movie.

>>85912265

>No, it's about how Disney is obsessed with rekindling the past.

Yes anon, big bad Disney made the movie so that means it's actually impossible for there to be anything under the surface. That's how the world works.

>>85912252

The prequel movies are a nightmare. No amount of "personal vision" arguments ake the problems wth those movies go away.

Personal vision means nothing if the execution fails.

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>>85912353
>look at Marvel
Do I have to?

>>85912353
It's almost as if it were a parody of Marvel, and showed what Marvel can get away with.

>>85912388
>big bad Disney made the movie so that means it's actually impossible for there to be anything under the surface.
Who are you quoting?

>>85912406
Truth to be told, that's easily as bad as the final action scene in Suicide Squad.

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>>85912442
nope
It is HILARIOUS how in denial how guys are!

>>85912227
I'm this anon >>85912120, and I disagree completely. It's quite easy to read the characters as you have, sure, but the story itself is completely lacking in doing anything of worth with that theme.

The movie goes out of its way to ape the plotline and conflict of ANH, and to make the universe 30 years after ROTJ as much like ANH as possible. Erasing any sense of accomplishment from the OT. People complained about the old EU making it seem like the ending of ROTJ had the heroes not really accomplishing anything, but its TFA that really takes that route. Han and Leia are separated, Luke's entire fledgling order was massacred, the Republic's government is beheaded by the second act, leaving the heroes to be a ragtag group of resistance fighters against a superior military force again. The Empire is still mucking about causing trouble, and hasn't evolved in anyway since then. Still run by some pale dude in a chair, still has a black fallen Jedi leading it. Etc.

Several good stories could've been told with the themes of being tied to the past, it casting a shadow over new things. But there must be actual new things for it to shadow over. Finn was literally the only new character in the movie, the only new character arc.

The movie is disappointing in every way except its actual execution as a movie. It's like the anti-PT: solid movie, terrible fucking concept. I have no faith the new, post-ROTJ EU will give us anything of real worth. At least not for several years, where perhaps other authors can evolve it into something worth consideration as part of the Star Wars universe.

>>85912473
>It's like the anti-PT: solid movie, terrible fucking concept.
nail on the head

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>>85912066
Iron Man is legit fucking terrible, You only like it because you like RDJ.

Iron Man isn't even RDJ's best role

>>85912719
>Iron Man is legit fucking terrible
stopped reading there

TFA is one of the worst movies I've seen in a long time.

>>85912790
I agree with you mate. I could not believe that they couldn't even make a mediocre blockbuster.

The signs were there though. JJ blew his load on the first Star Trek movie. The second one was awful compared to just about anything other than the abortion that is TFA.

>>85912783
What's good about it? It has no memorable characters or scenes, RDJ is annoying, the villain is an afterthought, half the movie takes place in a boring samey desert.

It's like a visual saltine cracker. It has no unique ideas or flare of its own- it's just indescribably generic.

>>85912851
>It has no unique ideas or flare of its own- it's just indescribably generic.
No, that describes every MCU movie AFTER Iron Man. (besides TIH. Not saying TIH was that good, it just doesn't feel very MCU).

>>85912833
I cannot believe how little actually happened in it, either. Half the movie was references to shit I don't care about, and the other half was just pushing along a plot that didn't go anywhere. The worst part was that they knew they were setting up some ebin trilogy so they didn't pay anything off at all in the movie. It's just setting up "mysteries" without actually giving me a reason to care about it.

As somebody who has only seen the prequels, The Force Awakens has absolutely nothing to offer anybody who isn't already balls deep in the franchise to the point that they'll consume anything. Fuck, at least the prequels are passable white noise if they're on TV and you're doing something else; Force Awakens doesn't even have any events or characters to make the thing the least bit stimulating.

It literally felt like it was 6 hours long. I hated it.

>>85913002
>It's just setting up "mysteries" without actually giving me a reason to care about it.
Exactly.
kek
you reminded me of an edit this guy made
this video is footage of Mike and Jay talking about Star TREK Into Darkness.

the editor made it look like they were talking about TFA.

>>85913069
fug forgot video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUcs2vbsxUc

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>DCucks can't stop talking about Star Wars because their own universe is so vapid and shit

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>>85913136
>1998

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>>85907094
This thread:
>Harleyfags shitting on Paul Dini
>DCfags shitting on Ostrander
Just imagine if Jerry Siegal and Joe Stuster came back from the dead and said Man of Steel was good, or Bob Kane saying it's ok for Batman to kill. You comicfags blindly love the source material that you even denounce the opinions of those who created the source material.
It's beautiful. It's a fucking joke

>>85911391
>BvS was kino. SS is just a pretty good way to kill two hours.

and Marvel movies are what?

>>85913398
Well, as the guy who posted that, I think none of them except for Iron Man 1 are anything more than fun timewasters.
Except The Avengers
>>85912406
Which is the ugliest piece of shit since Battlefield "Dutch Angle" Earth.

And The Winter Soldier (which I enjoy), is very very overhyped.

>>85913352
I don't think that's what's happening.

Most of this shit is Marvelfags.

>>85913002
>As somebody who has only seen the prequels,
what the fuck is wrong with you

>>85913177
You seem really upset some teenage nigger on twitter has a stronger jawline than you.

By this logic Ghostbusters was good.
So was The Last Airbender.

Take a step back and realize that the scenario you guys are defending is that the people working for the company and that stand a direct chance to benefit if a product does well are ONLY ever speaking from the heart while EVERY critic is biased and bought and paid for in a secret cabal run by the competitors.

That's where we are right now. And you expect this argument to be taken seriously.

Do you really think of Ryan Reynolds were still on WB's payroll he'd have anything bad to say about Green Lantern? This is just how the game is played.

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>>85913598
read the thread guy

>>85913624
>wahhhh you're hurting my feeling wahhh not argumant waaaaaaaaaa

>>85913657
good shitpost

>>85913722
Not an argument.

>>85913657
Have you read the thread yet?

>>85913813
Not an argument.

>>85907121
B:TAS Joker never ever loved Harley. It was kinda shocking to see a version of the Joker who would move heaven and earth for her.

>>85913870
I need to know man. The thread, have you read it?

When Mark Waid went online and said that he didn't like Man of Steel DCEU fans declared him to be a talentless hack.
When Grant Morrison said he didn't like the ending, DCEU fans said he was an overrated nostalgiafag.
When Deborah Snyder said that they had been deconstructing the characters up through Justice League, DCEU fans declared that she didn't even know what the word meant.

You're the ones that started this tradition of ignoring creator opinion and you're expecting everyone to turn around on that because NOW that opinion, in obvious scripted press releases, suddenly supports your fandom.

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>>85912353
>>bad cinematography

>>85907270
Welp he has shit opinons so i guess i'm burning my copy.

>>85914129
>When Mark Waid went online and said that he didn't like Man of Steel DCEU fans declared him to be a talentless hack.

Now to be fair, Waid literally had an autistic "NOT MUH" moment and walked out of the theater yelling.

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ALL HAIL THE ONE TRUE HARLY!!

>>85914129
>When Grant Morrison said he didn't like the ending
Grant Morrison likes the first half?
The half with CHILD KILLING PA KENT?

I always knew Moz was a patrician.

>>85914316
>muh based dceu is always right
isn't any better.
Just look at this thread. The only things DCEU fans seem to have by way of argument are smug reaction faces.

>>85914129
Anon, what Said said wasn't that he didn't like it, he described how he sperged out in the theater, was sweating and even stood up shaking his fist in anger. Also he's a shit writer.

>>85914400
I'm not saying the DCEU was right, I'm saying Mark Waid had an autistic tantrum and that's not something you should fall back on as an argument. Let's not even get started on smug reaction faces. Evansposting is pretty obnoxious as well.

>>85914448
>Said
Waid obviously. My phone autocorrected his name because it knows how shit he is.

>>85907270
Does anyone have a zippy link for this?

>>85914454
Evansposting is stolen from 9fag.

>>85909785
>As for written by idiots i dont know what you have been reading but most of rebirth has been great

With the glaring exception of the Harley Quinn comic.

>>85914454
The "autistic tantrum" was at least genuine whereas these press releases are being put on a pedestal like they're not, y'know, press releases.
The fact if the matter is that if Ostrander or Dini said they didn't like the movie you guys would be throwing them under the bus and calling them whiners and going >NOT MUH

You can't shoot yourself in the foot and then have that leg to stand on.

>>85914640
>The fact if the matter is that if Ostrander or Dini said they didn't like the movie you guys would be throwing them under the bus and calling them whiners and going >NOT MUH
Nah. Stop being a bitch.

>>85914640
>The fact if the matter is that if Ostrander or Dini said they didn't like the movie you guys would be throwing them under the bus and calling them whiners and going >NOT MUH

I wouldn't give a shit like I have with any other movie I watch or comic I read that people don't like. Don't lump everyone with baitposters on here posting the most outrageous shit going for (You)'s like it's the norm.

>>85914788
>baitposters on here posting the most outrageous shit going for (You)'s like it's the norm.
You're really claiming that it isn't?

>desperate DCucks shittalking a competently made movie with competent action scenes, actual practical effects, good cinematography and character arcs
ROFLMAO this is getting sad.

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>>85914830
Are you okay?

>>85914814
It's the norm here because people like you reply to it. You wouldn't hear those long ass copypastas that were going around about standing ovations prior to BvS coming out anywhere but here.

>>85914867
1.jpg was a flase flag.

>>85914485
bump

>>85913352
>im-bloody-plying Bob Kane created Batman

>>85907285
there is already a planned harley movie after the next suicide squad movie, so this makes sense

second movie the suicide squad can interact with the joker+harley in some way, see some bad moments

harley`s movie can start with a shitty moment montage and be her thelma and louise with poision ivy

>>85913352
>or Bill Finger saying it's ok for Batman to kill.

ftfy

>>85911836
I'll take "shit that never happened" for a hundred.

>>85907364
No, because it's not a movie it's a bunch of scenes poorly edited by a bunch of studio exces unwilling to let something original go through.

Supporting it on any level is just supporting a shit decision. The pace and tone were out of order and all over the place. The reedits are easy to spot. The shit that was cut out was necessary for the movie. Fuck off supporting a piece of shit like this.

>>85913352
>Just imagine if Jerry Siegal and Joe Stuster came back from the dead and said Man of Steel was good
I'd account that to some Post-Resurrection delirium, I mean, it's MoS.

>>85918885
>there is already a planned harley movie after the next suicide squad movie

Are we sure of this? I've seen all sorts of rumours, from an Harley solo movie to an all-female cast Birds of Prey movie that would have Harley as the focus to whatever extent again

>>85919270
Not to play Synder's Advocate here, but being one of the guys who wrote Batman in his first year Finger actually wrote stories where he killed.

>>85907094
Christ, it must be really satisfying to point to a character that has become hugely popular, that people relate to and are interpreting in their own weird ways and can say "I created that."

>>85913352
I may be taking bait by pointing this out, but Batman did kill criminals regularly during his first year of existence. Then the writers (or maybe the editors, I don't know how comics were behind the scenes in 1939) decided Batman should be more kid friendly, so they toned down the violence and introduced Robin at the same time.

>>85919485
>>85919559
B-BUH MUH BTAS MUH NO KILL MUH BATMAN 66

>>85914085
you know TAS Joker literally goes after Harley at multiple points to get her back. Joker does feel some desire to posses and have Harley in TAS, even if it as all weirdly fucked up and not always at the forefront. Its there you fucking nerd.

>>85907390
This. 100 times this.

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>>85907390
Amen brother

>>85907364
It was better than CW and BvS...but thats not saying much considering i forgot everything about CW like one day after i watched it...

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People critizise that the Joker actually goes after Harley when he did that same thing in TAS. Look the episode "Harley and Ivy", there pretty much does the same role he serves in Suicide Squad.

In the movie he treats Harley as an object, same thing he always did in the TV show. He ditches her when things turn bad for him, he offers her to gangsters and I'm pretty sure he goes after her because he consider her "his property". Just fucking watch this and thell me that's not pretty much Squad's Joker.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtJNYXFHn4k

>>85920331
There are more episodes too, even if they don't come to mind right now.

He's got that picture of them together on a desk too.

>>85909768
>Slipknot's actor was wasted on a bit role,

Who gives a shit about Slipknot or that guy from Angry Joe.


>HURR MUH POWER IS CLIMBING

The only thing he climbed was into a well deserved grave.

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>>85920504
>The only thing he climbed was into a well deserved grave.
fucking fef

>>85919686
How does it feel to misunderstand a character in a cartoon for children?

>>85919686
Bull.Shit. He only goes out of his way to get her if it somehow benefits him. Or did you forget that time he was going to nuke Gotham and forgot to pick her up?

>>85920927
>>85920874
see
>>85920331

>>85920331
But they both establish WHY he wanted Harley back
>his operation turns to shit without her
and how he'd respond when he finally found her
>forcing her to come with him and threatening Ivy

This is a far cry from wanting her for reasons that aren't really made clear, or at the very least, don't matter to any other characters because Harley will just assume it's becuz he twuly wuvs her, and she's not given any reason to doubt that in the finished movie.

Hell, I assumed she would force Joker to help Deadshot escape too, after they set up the "You're my friend, too" thing earlier, and then Joker would turn on her out of the same angry jealousy he shows Ivy. But nope! God forbid we see the fucking Joker express any negative emotions.

>>85920961
But in Harley and Ivy, didnt he only want her back because A- She stole something valuable and B- No one was doing the chores? He doesnt really love Harley anon

>>85921202
>God forbid we see the fucking Joker express any negative emotions.
Did we watch the same movie?
Did you watch the movie at all?

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>>85921260
Nice cherry-picking. You know what I meant. They deliberately edited out any and all instances of Joker being in any way, shape or form, abusive to Harley.

>>85921324
They're already getting cucks left and right crying muh soggy knees. Why make it worse?
SOMEONE is going to be bootyblasted either way.

>I lived to see harley x joker shippers become a real cancerous presence
What a fucking world we live in.

>>85913352
>Just imagine if Jerry Siegal and Joe Stuster came back from the dead and said Man of Steel was good, or Bob Kane saying it's ok for Batman to kill.
And if they came back from the dead and said those movies were shit you'd go "What do they know?! They're hacks!"

Well that or you'd hate on them for being jews.

>>85920927

There was another episode where Harley was in Arkham. The Joker decided that it was too much effort to try to free her, so he decided to hold auditions for a new Harley instead.

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>>85921355
>Shitting away any vestige of artistic integrity because internet crybabies will cry about it.

So now, on top of producing these films by committee, they are going to start editing them based on the prevailing attitudes of professional victims and whiners?

Wow, sounds great.

>>85921520
A thousand times this.

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>>85921563
>they are going to start editing them based on the prevailing attitudes of professional victims and whiners?
So you admit that critics are human garbage?

>>85921202
Joker was told by his henchman that the gov't is kidnapping criminals and taking them to blacksites like belle reve

Joker loves Harley on some level but the gov't getting into his shit is also partly why he went after her since if you recall he abandoned her too batman and she assume she's in jail

>>85907238
No. Completely different Paul Dini.
This is the Paul Dini that wrote some of the best Batman stories and can put an interesting spin on his gallery of rogues.

>>85909539
Do you have any evidence of him being a wizard?

>>85912851

9/10 bait

>>85920874
idk why dont you tell me?

>>85921217
>being this autistic

son, you know sometimes people mean more than what they literally say. And in it Joker does literally say "where is Harley?" If all he wanted was someone to do chores he would have forced one of his goons to do it.

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>>85907238

This is the Paul Dini who waifued Zatanna so hard he found her real life counterpart and had sex with her

>>85922704
H O W
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>>85921669
>implying

nucritics are garbage, they can't stand a movie being made that goes against their delicate sensibilities. Veteren critics know their shit.

http://www.newyorker.com/culture/richard-brody/batman-v-superman-is-democrats-vs-republicans

http://chicago.suntimes.com/columnists/batman-v-superman-many-muscular-moments-in-clash-of-heroes/

>>85922765
>http://www.newyorker.com/culture/richard-brody/batman-v-superman-is-democrats-vs-republicans

I see your Brody article and raise you mine.

http://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/what-the-seven-star-wars-films-reveal-about-george-lucas

>>85922765
>Brody thought Lex was a scene stealer
good taste

>>85922546
Wow you're a piece of work, I want to call this bait but I really think you're a delusional shipperfag. Quick question anon, why did Joker leave Harley a flower just when she was about to quit him at the end of Mad Love? Why does Joker show any affection towards her? Or better yet, what is the point (or used to be) the point of Harley Quinn? Take your time, the answer may surprise you

>>85922765
>>85922852
Does this guy post on /tv/?

>>85922952
>Or better yet, what is the point (or used to be) the point of Harley Quinn?
Not that guy, but the point of Harley originally was literally just to give Joker a sidekick, according to Dini.

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>>85907364
Yeah and I LOVED ghostbusters cause Bill Murray said those girls are FUNNY!

>>85923691
It was public knowledge that Bill Murray was forced to say nice things and do press for the movie even though he wanted nothing to do with it. Sony threatened to sue him.

>>85907270
I wonder how many people bought this thinking it was a proper Batman story.

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>>85923758
Yes, and Dini doesn't have 30 plus years of history with WB.

>>85923994
He's not obligated to say nice things about their products. He's also kind of a sperg, he's genuine when he talks about something, go watch his Fatman on Batman interview.

>>85923758
Sue him for what?

>>85924229
Not promoting the movie and doing what they say.

>>85922737
I assume Morrison is mostly responsible.

>>85907270
That was great.

Why do you guys think that any longtime DC contributors are going to say anything negative about anything they put out?

>>85907238
>it was even mentioned in the end credits on one episode
Pics?

>>85924316
That's not really illegal

>>85928113
read the thread chuckles

>>85907364
Ostrander was too comically salty to be taken seriously, he spent more time attacking other peoples criticisms than giving his own opinion.

>>85922704
>I can literally marry my waifu even if I'm not 100% perfect
Oh lordy, I think I can make it bros

>>85924229

He didn't want to participate in the movie or in promoting the movie, but he was forced to do so because of contractual obligations. In his cameo in the movie and in the talk show appearances that he did, he just sat there and looked miserable.

>>85907390

Unironically agree.

Dini is a meanie!

>>85930765
Well your opinions are shit!
I thought it was pretty bad but there were some cool ideas which made me kind of sad. Diablo was cool and all but his whole "this is my family now" thing felt forced. They built up most the team as having their own selfish motivations then out of nowhere they were supposed to be a band of brothers. It was especially forced after Harley dicked over the whole squad and her boyfriend almost killed them but they were still sticking up for her.