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Kelly's done it again

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Kelly's done it again
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>>85866430
tenouttaten, he's done it again
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>>85866430
Has The Onion hired writers who didn't make the cut for Cracked or something?
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>>85866449
>>85866410
What news is he referencing?
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>American's don't know how to use their imaginations
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>>85866558
Difference is Onion articles are supposed to be retarded.
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>>85866610
France has recently tried to ban 'burkinis', basically a wetsuit with a hood. I believe the ban was overturned.
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>>85866684
I seem to remember Onion articles being a lot more clever than this, though. It's like that one SNL skit on MRA's where all both the setup and punchline is "This guy just sitting here on the couch is an MRA! AAAAH!"
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>>85866723
Nope, shitskins are just crying because banning a piece of clothing is literally worse than people dying.
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>>85866723
More cities picked it up, actually

>>85866832
They're mad because it's literally one of the most nonsensical laws in history
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>>85866977
More nonsensical than forcing woman to wear headscarfs?
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>>85867009
They're not forced to, especially in France
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>>85867045
Their husbands force them.
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>>85866977
>More cities picked it up, actually
And then France overturned those bans.
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>>85867063
But that's not a law
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>>85867082
An unwritten law of Islam: cover your hair or I'll kill you, woman.
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THOSE FUCKERS!

And I really mean it this time. They took our swimsuits. Thats too far.
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>>85867045
Maybe they aren't forced by french law, but those women still risk death by the hand of their husbands if they don't wear them.

Still even with the ban the only difference is that their husbands will kill them if they do those activities that require a burkini at all.
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>>85867009
there are already laws in France to protect people who don't jive to that, most are pretty common like anti assault laws or systems for people to get away from abusive households
this was a law to ban an item of clothing used by women who observed those tenets of their faith
banning it was basically making it illegal to be Islamic at the beach
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>>85867128
>making it illegal to be Islamic
Just give it some time...
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>>85867063
>BAHHHH HE HIT ME TOO HARD
>OWW IM BLEEDING
>WAAAHHH HE REMOVED MY VOICE BOX
Sigh. Non-argument, nice try alt-right retard.
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>>85867108
>>85867115
Except not, it varies wildly from country to country
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>>85867115
>>85867108
>>85867063
however hyperbolic these statements are its still up to the person to leave that environment if they want that to stop.
its up to others to report abuse you can "intercept" crimes ESPECIALLY along lines of religion, that called discrimination and profiling
i know these people are trolling but still...
there are people THIS dumb if this law was even considered in the first place
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>>85867170
>MUH PROPHET
>MUH YIHAD
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>>85867193
No them but i dont believe muslims kill their wives in the west if they dont put the headscarf but i do believe the Quran say something about no showing your wife hair in public
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>>85867170
>>85867180
>>85867193
Oh man, sjws are triggered again. Good.
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>>85866430

now that's spot on
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I will never understand how progressives are so determined to defend Islam.

It makes my head hurt trying to make sense of it
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>>85867294
Being progressive imply you accept everyone differences
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>>85867314
>Being progressive imply you accept any cock in your ass
Fixed.
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>>85867314
This.
There is nothing wrong about being okay with a religion that actively promotes domestic abuse.
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>>85867063
That's bullshit. They wear it because it's "muh culture".
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>>85866776
Yeah, it's pretty lame. Like the first draft of an article they were supposed to release but then forgot a week ago and only now realised they need to hand it in.
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>>85867314
Then why don't they accept conservative Americans? They're basically the exact same as Islam except with less sexism.
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>>85867349
You can't be this stupid, anon. Or can you?
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>>85867045
Not in France, but in Arab countries

>>85867193
Because getting out of your culture including all of your friends and family is so easy.
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>>85866430
Heh.
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>>85867045
Not by law, but the whole idea of the covering the women up is that if you don't cover yourself with whatever is the norm you're considered an immoral whore and there are repercussions, so it's not really a matter of choice
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>>85867294
It's because conservatives don't like Islam. Simple as that. Progressives can't be seen as being on the same 'side' as the likes of Fox News or AM talk radio on anything. So even though the tenants of Islam are oppressively sexist, so long as legit racists and bigots are against it the far left has an obligation to defend it.
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>>85867394
Wow, just, wow. Wow. You can't be... wow. Just.. seriously... wow. You are just so... wow.
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>>85867460
>no, just mentally challenged
I see.
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>>85867394
>women are always the victims, never actors
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>>85866832
Think body suit with headcovering and a pseudo skirt to cover certain areas for modesty. The French government did over turn it.

However one doesn't have to look far for truth. Miss Teen USA banned swimsuits/bikinis this year in favor of sport wear. All pageant girls were designated the same bikini style in the first place by the organization which had previously used a 1 piece swimsuit.
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>>85867408
some times that what getting out of abuse is
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>>85867193
>its still up to the person to leave that environment if they want that to stop.
Well, rather that in western countries, women are allowed to dress how they please, and religious or cultural garb representing a mindset where a woman may be punished by the men if they don't cover themselves up to x standard (with the intention that they don't arouse desire in men) doesn't really have any place in a western culture.

So rather, if wearing a burqa or such is so important to you, maybe go live in a culture where that shit is considered the norm, and don't try to infiltrate western societies with that shit
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>>85867484
Nice MRA, bro.
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>>85866430
It's true but could be a bit more in your face.
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>>85867408
There's only a few Middle Eastern countries where head coverings are compulsory
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>>85866776
>It's like that one SNL skit on MRA's where all both the setup and punchline is "This guy just sitting here on the couch is an MRA! AAAAH!"

Or the one with the black chick and the white guy walking in the city, and I guy talking about being a male ally, while the black chick sees signs of "oppression" everywhere.
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I can't understand how people are defending this law, though, even if you hate Islam.
"Uhh, well, it's, uhh, a religion of violence and, uhh, their husbands force them to cover up." And banning burkinis helps this... how, exactly?
If you're so concerned about these women's well-being, wouldn't you rather they have more freedom of activities, like being able to go to the beach, which they can't if their husbands are VIOLENTLY OPPRESSING them and burkinis are banned?
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>>85867517
>women are allowed to dress how they please
Unless they want to cover themselves, apparently
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I wish they'd stop fagging around with this shit and either ban Islam entirely or let them carry on shitting up France dressed however they like.
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>>85867259
yeah sure but thats religion
how seriously individuals take that and their reaction when it isnt followed though on is the individual person not the culture as a whole
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>And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty: that they should not display their beauty and ornaments, except what (ordinarily) appear thereof.” (24:31)

There you go, hope i educares you
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>>85866776
>>85867547
It just seems as the world gets more ridiculous, comedy will just get lazier.
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>>85867259
Quran says nothing of the sort. It might be in one of the hadiths, but in all likelihood it's one of those things that was around before Islam and Mo just made do, like with Sharia and Islamic laws on slavery.
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>/co/ defending islam culture

every

time
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>>85867571
>banning a religion in a European country
Yeah, because that has worked out so well for them in the past. It's shit like that which has left Europe so jaded about religion and thus why atheism is so prevalent.
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>>85867596
Yeah Mohammad was a good boy he din' do nuffin
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>>85867458
Why I don't vote any more, the post.
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>>85867345
like Catholicism?
or hassidic jews?
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>>85867314
>Being progressive imply you accept everyone differences

Except Christians and Catholics. They're bigoted child rapists amirite?
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>>85867605
Islamic culture was fine in most islamic countries 20-30 years ago, but then a load of religious nutcases started getting in power and everything started circling the drain.
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>>85867259
You are an idiot who probably doesn't eve live in Europe.
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>>85867605
>women are always the victims
>except that's wrong, the dumb bitches choose to
>REEEE, STOP DEFENDING ISLAM! WOMEN ARE THE VICTIMZ!
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>>85867532
>>85867567
>Muslimfag pretending to be a progressive
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>>85867616
>banning religions is the reason so many people are non-religious now
I don't understand what point you're trying to make here.
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>>85867638
Islam culture was never fine. Their beliefs are built on a book that says non-Muslims should die and women should be subservient to men.

The bible gets criticized for shit not even that bad, but liberals will bend over backwards and do a blackflip through a flaming hoop to defend Islam.
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>>85867628
Most of the stuff he introduced was pretty damn fair, progressive even, for its day. Even as a warlord and conqueror he was pretty magnanimous and wasn't very bloodthirsty.
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>>85867567
Yes, because the burqa thing isn't just covering oneself, it's reinforcing a cultural system where everyone else (only women tho) who doesn't cover themselves similarly is a whore who deserves punishment.

It's not really a personal choice, nor is it an indication of culture like some other traditional garb might be - it's reinforcing and upholding a very strong, vicious, controlling system of morality essentially boiling down to that it's the women's responsibility to uphold sexual morality in the society through not seducing men to sin like raping them by covering themselves so efficiently everyone will only think modest thoughts.

Trying to portray it as a free choice is bullshit, because in all of the societies where covering oneself like that is allowed to become the norm, women who try to choose not to do so are labeled immoral and punished for it.
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>>85867648
Yeah i dont, i live in a country where muslim are less than 0,8% of the population, that why i dont have too much knowlegde about their culture
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>>85867562
Anything which makes Muslims uncomfortable is good. Don't like France? Fuck off back to Arabia
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>>85867638
No it wasn't, Islamic culture has always been exactly as it was over a millennium ago.

Foreign influence in Islamic countries all those years ago are what you're thinking of.
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>>85867682
Banning one religion doesn't work out for the other religions.
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>>85867294
They are high on the opression ranking.
>all cultures are equal.
>Didn't we commit religious motivated crimes in the past?
>We can meassure them by our standards
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>>85867605
Islam is terrible. I just think banning clothes is stupid. What happened to freedom?
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>>85867638
Nah, not really. It was just easier to ignore the nasty shit in the west
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>>85867628
Head covering practices actually do have more to do with pre-Islamic regional customs that Islam adopted
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>>85867738
I wish leftists were as butthurt about women being forced to around in 110 degree weather in a black sheet in the middle east as they are about this stupid beach ban thing
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>>85867744
>He thinks a mod would delete a thread just because some retards have gone off topic
He'll just clean sweep it so we can go back to talking about the great Kelly.
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>>85867673
It's not even about being progressive, it's just that people are wildly misinformed about the topic
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>>85866430
>http://www.theonion.com/infographic/what-alt-right-53747
holy fucking shit

spot ON
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>>85867738
>What happened to freedom?

Chocked out in dark alleyway. Last night. No witnesses. No protest.
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>>85867812
>implying /co/ doesn't have draconian moderation
Not that I am saying that is a bad thing. I like draconian moderation. Besides, saying anything bad about the moderation is bannable.
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>>85867724
Who gives a shit? I just want to get rid of Islam.
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>>85867691
It's the exact opposite in a lot of Muslim countries
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>>85867259
>i dont believe muslims kill their wives in the west if they dont put the headscarf

dude in my country there have been cases of muslims killing their daughters with all the family partecipating because they behaved "too westernly".
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>>85867787
>implying burkas don't keep you cool
It's thermodynamics, brah. The burka gets warm so you don't have to.
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>>85867824
>every time a hidden camera is put into a 'moderate' mosque or Islamic studies class it turns out it's being used a pulpit for hate and what any rational person would call extremism
>people are just 'misinformed'
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>>85867880
I want to get rid of Christianity.
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>>85867669
What is the reasoning behind the choice?
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>>85867907
About head covering practices, retard
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>>85867881
And that proves what?
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>>85867925
I can't imagine why, but I won't stop you from trying.
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>>85866410
I find half naked and burkin to hot. It all comes down to you working it gurl.


Then again in sexually attracted to sexy rocks. Maybe I'm not best person on the subject
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>>85867880
>>85867925
Hmm, all you guys need is a third guy, and you just might have something here...
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Kelly threads are how /pol/ invades /co/
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>>85867942
That there is no hard and fast rule for head covering practices in the Islamic world, to the point where wearing the hijab is normal in some countries but pretty fuckin weird in others
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>>85867562
Yeah. Burkinis are stupid and oppressive, but banning them only result in muslim women not going to the beach instead of going with a burkini.
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>>85867880
>>85867925
THUNDERDOME
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>>85867925
It's already happening all by itself, Islam on the other hand is growing and frankly, I'm going to sound like a fedora but religion only grows in a climate of ignorance, repression and with a lack of education.
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>>85867562
I don't want them near actual human beings. They need to be sent back to their shitholes, or culled.
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>>85866430
Looks accurate to me. The Alt-Right is the Clinton campaign's term for Gamergaters. It's an effort to group them in with trump supporters, so nobody believes them when they point out that the mass media handed Clinton the nomination on a silver fucking platter. Fortunately we have CNN's own staff calling them out on it now.

The world is burning. Run.
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>>85867931
Because "muh heritage".

Also they don't have to worry about doing their hair.
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>>85867976
It's a cultural rule but these countries will say it's part of islam and the others do it wrong.
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>>85867989
Okay, that's the point. They come from a desert culture where washing things doesn't figure into everyday life because of the rapidity in which things dry in the sun and the scarcity of water. they try bringing that shit into somewhere like France and they smell terrible and are a haven for bacterial infection.

That is the main reason behind it , it's just the most PC way of saying that they are disgusting and unhygienic.
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>>85867562
>And banning burkinis helps this... how, exactly?
It's a message about what's considered acceptable and what's not in the society surrounding them. A reinforcement of values, stating that demanding that only one sex cover themselves up or be branded immoral is not acceptable.

Going "yes, all right, women don't have the right to dress how they like in this subculture, they have special rules that are essentially clashing with fundamental human rights but it's fine for them" isn't okay.
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>>85867593
don't blame comedy - blame all the people constantly strangling comedy and what it can challenge.

There's no way for me to explain it that isn't done better here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knIroVvPZU4
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>>85867685
Actually the Bible has even worse shit in it, but somehow it's okay because everyone ignores it.
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>>85868027
>Islam on the other hand is growing and frankly

Sounds like their deus needs to get vulted. Crusade when?
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>>85868044
That's a lazy cop-out, what is the heritage, what does wearing the burka signify and why is it very often a non choice.
You can't separate the burka with the act of submission, they go hand in hand.
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>>85867870
Let's not worry. The FBI keeps an eye on 4chan, in case someone goes full yihadist.
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>>85868091
Old testament or new testament?
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>>85868116
>heritage doesn't exist
>women love getting gussied up in the morning
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>>85868080
This isn't part of what a state should regulate. It tries to fix the syntome not the problem.
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>>85868091
Because 90% of all the shit said in the Bible is in the old testament, and Jesus almost literally said "The old testament is shit, I'm making a new one"

So even Christians are legitimized by their own founder to ignore things like "death to ones wearing mized fabrics".
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>>85868104
Whenever we want! 4chanology 2: 4chanistan!
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>>85866723
>I believe the ban was overturned.
Actually the mayors said fuck it and kept the ban because the mudslimes to it for attention and for each woman with that shit you have 3-4 bearded fanatics waiting with a concealed weapon to be called and start shit.
Remember, a woman who has to wear that isn't allowed outside alone.
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>>85867562
It's taking a stand, a stand of your values that are objectively superior to the alternative and preventing it from taking a hold in a nation where such a concept of sexual shame is abhorrent and contrary.
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Meh. Fashion goes in circles anyway, so early 1900s swimwear was bound to make a comeback.
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>>85868157
>Jesus almost literally said "The old testament is shit, I'm making a new one"

lol no he actually said:
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
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>>85866410
The funny thing is that under PC rule there would be no swimsuit competition and you would have morality police like in saudi arabia
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>>85868157
Except he didn't.
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>>85868157
If Jesus said that the OT is done and over with then why are Christians still hung up on the 10 commandments and shit like Leviticus?
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>>85866832
This is actually true. in quran "oppression" is worse than murder
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>>85868091
>Actually the Bible has even worse shit in it

i want you to prove this because it's one fucking HELL of a statement

t. someone who's read the Koran for school
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>>85868206
No, it's being an authoritarian shithead.
Stop drinking the Kool-Aid

YOU CANT WEAR THAT! Because freedom.
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>>85868091
actually quran and hadith are worse.
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>>85868272
Not even all of Leviticus, just the bit about the homos
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>>85868232
Jesus Christ how horrifying.
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>>85868239
Galatians 3:13 says Christians are no longer under the curse of the law of Moses.
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>>85868272
For the same reason that there are Christians who kills while Jesus explicitly said to turn the other cheek to aggressors?

Jesus's words are ignored a lot.
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>>85866410
I think what I like most about Kelly's comics that no matter the topic, he always find a way to make it about "him".
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>>85868299
Epheians 6:5
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.
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>>85868091
also despite evangelical reeducation camps, Christianity has undergone reformations that islam desperately needs (and can have because retconing is written into quran but you would need massive balls and ability not to get killed for it)
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>>85868334
Galatians is an epistle, not Jesus' own words.
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>>85868341
Turning the other cheek is regarding things like backbiting and general shit talk, someone punches you or your family you are in full rights to punch their ass back.
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>>85868091
Yes, it's fine because Christians don't actually try to force the stuff in the Old Testament into actual, applicable law.

It doesn't really matter what the holy text says. What matters is how people are actually being treated, while using religion as an excuse you supposedly can't criticize.
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>>85868371
A reformation would require millions of deaths.
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>>85868309
I didn't say anything about freedom, France is not the US, they have a very lax attitude with sexuality and nudity, burkas flies directly in the face of that.
What the fuck are you talking about kool-aid, didn't say anything ridiculous or crazy.
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>>85866410
So Alt-Right is just any enemy of Hilary right? It's just berniebros, Drumpf, and super predators all over again?
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>>85868380
Another example of "interpreting" Jesus' words to suit your purpose.
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>>85868373
Jesus itself worked on saturday and broke old hebraic laws often.
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>>85868151
It's one method among many to try and send the message that in this society things are done differently and one is expected to adapt to the values of the society they choose to live in.

Not all traditions are worth preserving.
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>>85868418
Super predators ?
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>>85868398
not really. it would require an Islamic council of nicea. down the road people would die but you would at least have a true moderate version of it and not what islam calls "moderate"
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>>85868341

it's mostly protestants that go

>BIBLE IS ALL YOU NEED BRO, ALL YOU NEED. BTW THE POPE IS THE ANTICHRIST, K THANKS.
>WHO'S THOMAS AQUINAS

>>85868346

and the church itself abolished slavery in the fourth century and was trying to make everyone else do it or at least do it humanely.
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>>85866430
>Movement began in earnest after Ronald Reagan aired his famous “It’s Morning In Cuckmerica” campaign ad in 1984
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>>85868431
Jesus was the Son of God. You're not.
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Wow, even /co/ hates burkinis, despite their favorite waifu wearing one.
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>>85868441
Black people in the 90s
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>>85868380

>"But I say to you, do not resist an evil person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also.
>someone punches you or your family you are in full rights to punch their ass back

Sure, buddy.
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>>85868143
Different anon but who the fuck are you quoting, that's not what was said at all, retard
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>>85867180
The religious courts are fully ported both in Britain and France.
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>>85868450
>and the church itself abolished slavery in the fourth century and was trying to make everyone else do it or at least do it humanely.

They were obviously wrong. Slavery is fine.
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>>85868386
Except that thing about the homos

But they kind of lost that one
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>>85868436
That's not how freedom works.
Sounds like big goverment bs to me. But what do I expect of france.
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>>85868494
How about you don't butt in to discussions where you can't even be bothered to read three posts in the tangent.
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>>85868529
>That's not how freedom works.
You think "freedom" means the freedom to oppress others as you please if you can get away with it?
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>>85868496
This is wrong though. Most muslim go with their hair uncovered in France. The burka and other covering shit is a recent turn of event from the fanatics taking advantage of teenagers wanting to show off.
If you check all the peolpe they arrest for terrorism shit they are all young as shit.
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>>85868529
Don't you know, big government is great when it doesn't affect me
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>>85868524
At the end of the day god loves everyone
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>>85868447

hasn't that already happend a few times?

it doesn't stop hardline movements like the Taliban and ISIS from picking up new recruits, even from cozy-living european immigrants.

honestly, Islam is inherently a predatory, imperialistic belief, it's very deeply woven into it that the eventual outcome is to convert everyone and then end the world. You'd need changes that would turn it into not-Islam-anymore.

here's a crusader pic which is like fedora tipping for islam.

>>85868502

between you and me, the way we understand slavery is too narrow, we think of cotton picking topless blacks instead of what was historically a far more civilized affair. I don't think it's inherently more evil than how "free" societies capitalistic and communistic alike have treated the lowest sectors of society.
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>>85868450
>and the church itself abolished slavery in the fourth century

This. The big difference between Islam and Christianity (or at least Catholicism) is that with the whole heir of St Peter which is the successor of Jesus the Pope is allowed to make changes to Catholic doctrine. So even if the bible talk about slaves the Pope can just say "that was then, from now slavery is bad". Which is also from where the reformation comes.

Islam instead is rigid in its aderence to the Quran. It doesn't exist anyone who is authorized to change it. Which is the reason it's still the same two thousand years later.
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>>85868346
how is that worse than
>O YOU who have attained to faith! Just retribution is ordained for you in cases of killing: the free for the free, and the slave for the slave, and the woman for the woman (Baqarah 178)
also quran is all about obeying allahu and from that flows everything from mild charity to slavery,murder, rape of those slaves ,etc.
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>>85868398

It's going to happen at some point. You could argue that the U.S. accidentally kicked off one when they blundered their way into the Middle East.
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>>85866430

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>>85868647
Well that's what people hoped would happen with the Arab Spring but we'll have to wait decades to really see where it all goes.
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>>85868675
Probably not decades, ISIS is pretty much the tipping point
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>>85868675
Egypt hasn't become a complete shit show, as far as revolutions go. The military is keeping the shittier parts of democracy in check.
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>>85868631
>Islam instead is rigid in its aderence to the Quran. It doesn't exist anyone who is authorized to change it. Which is the reason it's still the same two thousand years later.

Right, that's why we have openly gay imams popping around the world.
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>>85867518
He is right, anon.
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>>85868031
>Run
Where?
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>>85868638
Retribution (eye for an eye) is worse than slavery?
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>>85868482
Jesus was also a human being
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>>85868675
It goes nowhere.because here is a secret Arab Spring people are only mildly less shit that the ruling people
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>>85868490
Notice the wording is slap, not something as grievous as a punch, the context of that is don't throw your life away for petty bullshit like people were wont to do back then.

He tells his disciples to arm themselves in defense of themselves but not for him. For someone who probably cries about Islam being taken out of context you sure like doing it for the Bible.
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>>85868380
>Turning the other cheek is regarding things like backbiting and general shit talk
>someone punches you or your family you are in full rights to punch their ass back.
>this interpretation of a god who was tortured, beaten, and nailed to a cross to slowly die over the course of a week
>and not retaliating but freeing humanity from the curse of original sin
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>>85868743

no, we have that because they can get away with it on a social level. Homosexuality is about as 'wrong' as cheating on your partner, specially for women, but we don't see people chasing them out for it.

the reason for this is that we live in a society where the risk-reward proportion of creating social unrest and straining community life over things that makes us uncomfortable is too low to be worth it.

most people who aren't very close or at least acquainted with gay people probably feel a level of repulsion but they're never gonna talk about it openly.
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Man, I was thinking of commenting on this thread but it's already so toxic.

Here's a picture of some penguins instead.
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>>85868631
>Islam instead is rigid in its aderence to the Quran. It doesn't exist anyone who is authorized to change it. Which is the reason it's still the same two thousand years later.
it says in like the first 3 chapters that god makes changes and he picks himself when to reveal what. meaning new parts can be added or contradictions may come about, which ever is the newest is the true one. The mechanism is there but realistically saying anything new will have you killed for heresy
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>>85868031
>The Alt-Right is the Clinton campaign's term for Gamergaters
That's bullshit tho.
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>>85868490
He's being a jackass.

That was effectively saying that their is no more eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth. You still can fight, but it shouldn't be your first reaction. Try to forgive when they fault you, but if someone is trying to kill you or raping someone then yeah you can fight back.
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>>85868865
Good job ignoring the "do not resist an evil person" part.
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>>85868764
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>>85868760

Indeed.
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>>85868868
>the course of a week
It was a day but ok
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>>85868782
provision on what price to get for your slaves implies that you have slaves. so how is having slaves is any different from telling your slaves to be obedient?
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>>85868760
>ACTUALLY mayors fuck it and the ban because the mudslimes to it attention for and woman shit you have 3-4 bearded waiting a weapon to be called and start.

>Remember, a who has is wear that isn't.
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>>85868875
>toxic
get raped with a rusty rake
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>>85868879
Is it? The alt right are supposedly a group of mysogynistic white supremacists that harass women online. There's only one group in extremely recent history like that, and that's the media's portrayal of gamergate.
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>>85868878

i think the problem is that Islam lagged so far behind western culture that all the reformist movements appear as a counter culture to it rather than a proper progressive thought process.

i don't see them doing parodies like this any time soon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIaORknS1Dk
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>>85868983
>saying shit like "toxic thread"
>calling others cuck.
the desperation in
>How about you cuck off to your fucking cunt cuck cunt board, you fucking shit ass cunt cuck.
better luck next time
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>>85869016
>/v/ trying to act like anyone cares about them
/v/ isn't relevant. "Internet Misogynists" are not some big secret cabal. There is no connection.
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>>85868891
Under Roman law someone that kills or maims someone else based on something stupid and petty is punishable to having his property taken and given to the offendee.

Is deliberately trying to provoke someone into hitting them based on what is the equivalent of an insurance scheme the action of someone benevolent?
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>>85869019
also in modern age most people are not just going to roll with "I had a vision"
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>>85868919
ACTUALLY fuck it the ban because mudslimes attention and woman shit you 3-4 bearded a weapon be called.

Remember, a who is that isn't.
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>>85869057
So you're telling me you don't believe the socialist-mysogynist Bernie Bros and the Alt-Right are not, in fact, the same group?
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>>85867111

Shut up Boco
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>>85868568
We put our own views onto God more often then not. When were angry, it seems like God's angry.
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>>85869057
Internet mysogynists DO NOT EXIST.

The alt right, the bernie bros, and gamergate are the same group of people being marginalized under different label by a democratic party that's completely subservient to Clinton.
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How about instead of bitching about Islam, we post and discuss Kelly cartoons? Just a thought.
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>>85869016
>The alt right are supposedly a group of mysogynistic white supremacists that harass women online.
No, the alt right is a pretty identifiable, self-named group who jerk off to Breitbart and can't cum unless they're looking directly at a wall. Stop pulling shit out of your ass.
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>>85869072
I think its something like the blood price where you pay 1,3-7 times the damage depending on the amount of damage and how critical it was.
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>>85867567

It looks suspicious though. And wearing something like that to the beach just looks too out of place to be acceptable to most people. It's like wearing a trench coat in the middle of summer. It's legal to do so, but don't be surprised if someone calls the police due to "suspicious behavior".
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>>85869135
>alt right
>Bernie Bros
>the same people
I highly doubt it
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>>85869181
Wetsuits are suspicious now?
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>>85869086
>I jump into other peoples conversations to white knight some faggots boypussy from comically oversized rake rape
>I'm just going to throw some words together
I have really been feeling the summer today.
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>>85869084
>Remember, a who is that isn't.
Words to live by
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>>85869153
>alimony
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>>85869223
HOLY SHIT YOU ARE SO MAD! FUCKING KEK!
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>>85869169
>brietbart
>the publication that dropped all the gamergate info
>just a coincidence

nice try shillery.
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>>85869221
can I start wearing carnival masks? Im ugly so covering my face would help me self confidence. also stalin is my personal hero and he often crossdressed to avoid capture
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>>85869186
The alt-right isn't even definable by the alt-right.

I think the Libertarian Party sold the fuck out with Weld and Johnson, am not a socialist and who the fuck is the Constitution party? According to them I'm fucking alt-right, if you aren't lock step with every part of either ideology you are alt right. My dog is alt-right by those standards.
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>>85869257
No one cares about your hissyfit, /v/
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>>85869256
My god its like you once saw a thread but have no idea what any of it means so you are just throwing shit out and hoping it sticks.
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>>85869270
I don't see why you couldn't.
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>>85869257
Yeah you're talking like a retard. Go back to r/Trump.
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>>85869278
Acccording to CNN, everyone who doesn't vote for Hillary is alt-right
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>>85869221

But it's not a wetsuit. A wetsuit is a tight fitting garment and it doesn't always cover the head/hair. These women are wearing things that look like water proof dresses with caps. It doesn't look like something you wear in the water.
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>>85869278
How can something sell out if they don't get anything in return?
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>>85869330
>implying
Give source.
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>>85869270
>>85869314
That would violate the facial covering laws. Most places have it because one, it tends to make something to put protestors in jail and two prevents people from doing shady shit.

If you have a genuine medical condition you could probably get away with a surgical mask.
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>>85869341
Ok
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>>85866977
>nonsensical
Anyone who thinks this literally knows nothing about French history. A burkini is not the same as a wetsuit, because a wetsuit is not a symbol of religious oppression. By allowing burkinis, they are basically giving a greenlight to the Taliban. Any Muslim who claims it's a personal choice to wear one should try dressing in Western clothes and see how long before they get murdered.
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>>85869322
you better be pretending to be retarded because your posts are pitiful
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>>85869314
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>>85867812
Last Kelly thread went full /pol/ vs /co/mblr as well and got deleted.
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>>85869169
>self named

yeah ok. when and where did they name themselves? what do they stand for? what are their goals? who are their leaders besides Trump? Where have they ever talked about themselves? Have they ever had any mention in the media that was not propping them up as a strawman? Has anyone ever said anything GOOD about the alt-right?
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>>85869372

somehow i don't think a form-fitting latex suit is halal
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>>85867812
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>>85866430
>How Long Will The Movement Last?
>As long as there are libtards that need uncucking
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>>85866430
Of course they know, 4chan hasn't been a sekret klub for over a decade now. Everyone comes here.
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>>85869495
Looking back every Clements book had a kid holding something to the reader, like the Scholastic Dreamworks face.
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This is even worse than the last Kelly thread.
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>You can't force women not to wear certain things, that's fucked up!

>We should show them how fucked up it is by forcing them not to wear certain things! Take that muslims!
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>>85866430
>It’s Morning In Cuckmerica
>As long as there are libtards that need uncucking
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>>85869345
>put forward a 'moderate' candidate who leans towards govt. social intrusion on private business and gun control
>get the required 10% vote for federal spending while mostly abandoning several core libertarian tenets
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>>85866430
>How Long Will The Movement Last?

>As long as there are libtards that need uncucking
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>>85869596
Wow, what did this retard manage to get a C in?
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>>85867562
Spoken to a few French blokes about this, it's a bit complicated. First of all, French people are a bit overcommited to their liberalism, so removing freedoms to promote the liberation of women isn't as nuts to them as it is to us. They want to enforce their god damn liberalism, and they'll make sure you're being liberal their way.

The second thing that is kept out of the international papers is the violent episodes. The most high-profile one was when a tourist on the beach in Corsica took a photo of someone in a burkini (probably because he'd never seen a burkini before), and naturally all her male family members started a lot of shit, and it wound up in a riot that injured five, and left one man stabbed with a harpoon. The burkini ban in that light seems like a kind of petty retaliation against the Muslim community. If you can't play nice, you don't get to be on the beach.
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>>85866430
>no hyde
kind of lazy
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>>85866558
I still find the Onion funny though.
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>>85868177
French muslims have attacked women for "dressing like whores" and shit already. The burkini is basically another symbol of muslims' inability and lack of desire to integrate properly into their countries.
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>>85869452
>yeah ok. when and where did they name themselves?
Reddit and /pol/ mostly.

All your questions are stupid too. "Who are their leader"? Like, do you think liberals have a "leader"? Fuck off, "alt right" wasn't something invented in the past week it's been up our ass for months. Where the fuck have you been?
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>>85869648
>If you can't play nice, you don't get to be on the beach.
>Punishing an entire group because of some bad apples
Also, a harpoon?
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>>85866558
touched a nerve?
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>>85868206
>sexual shame is abhorrent and contrary
But we already have that.
Think about the laws we have in place, they're only their to make people feel comfortable.
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>>85869672
>do you think liberals have a "leader"?
specific subsets have leaders and noteworthy names in the community.
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>>85869646
The book was about a girl pretending to be retarded so she wouldn't be put into gifted classes. Fucking retarded shit.

>>85869710
If the bad apples exclusively wear burkinis, yes. Short of banning via explicit religious lines that;s the best they can do.
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>>85869670
Religion does that. Why do you think Jews are still a thing.
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>>85869569
More like
>This culture that expects women, sometimes through force to cover up as a sign of subservience is an affront to our culture.
>This law will draw a clear line at what we will and will not tolerate.
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>>85869606
Yeah but it's not like they're going to win in this election or any election the foreseeable future
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>>85869794
That's why I'm pissed at them. Because they sold out for federal funding, something they should be against on principle.

Surprised no one made anything satirizing this, it's kind of funny.
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>>85869710
Yeah. I mean it was a seaside town, maybe one of the Muslims worked at a docks. And yeah, it's petty, like I said, and also a really political move. You get to look like you're shitting on the Muslims to the native French, but actually they could give less of a fuck that their wives and sisters don't get to go act all haram on the beach. If they were commited enough they'd tackle the legal immunity Muslims have, but that'd actually cause backlash. This way, you get your popularity rise free of anything more than accusations of racism from american students.
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>>85869783
Muslim culture is not monolithic
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>>85867371

Ditto, there's no real punchline or point, it's just a bunch of words and things. I mean, the topic itself is pretty hard to make jokes about outside of "Hillary Clinton gave a speech where she attacked right-wing internet trolls," but the Onion can't really do that because they're owned by a Hillary donor and management has taken a pretty strong pro-clinton stance. So there isn't really a point to the joke, you instead get vague non-points like "There are trolls on the internet" and "Some people are racist" which aren't exactly silly.

The alt-right as a movement is kind of hard to mock because of how much self-deprecation and insincerity is in their public presentation. If they don't take themselves all that seriously, trolling them is infinitely harder. It comes back to that familiar question, "how do you shame the shameless?"

The best people suited for mocking it are actually current/former alt-right insiders who can present the community's discourse on stuff that normies find absurd (eg: Are slavs white?)
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>>85869856
It's because no one cares about libertarians
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>>85866410
>they don't sell the many captioned shirts the fat guy always wears
For shame
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>>85870053
Not even Objectivists?
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>>85870081
>what is a couple hours setting up a silk screen or a couple dozen dollars paying a company to make it
You have yourself to blame for your lack of dank memes
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>>85870082
No one cares about white high school sophomore boys who just read Atlas Shrugged either
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>>85866430
>bootyblasted janitor
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>>85867349

What is "muh culture" if not oppression and peer pressure? I've drink enough alcool with muslims and yet they all fast on Ramadan like good drones. That's the true face of "muh culture".

>>85869648

That's the funny thing with France, the goalposts are always moved so far that it becomes hard to even remember why we're angry at something.
Muslims attack jewish shops and restaurants? It becomes "a protest for Palestine".
They tried to burn a synagog where I live but the jews beat the shit out of them: it became "far-right jewish activists who attacked a manifestation for Palestine".
The event you're talking about is covered as having nothing to do with religion or racism, at this point it is even funny to see such denial.

And of course, they never talk about christian cimeteries (1 is profaned every 2 days) or how muslims attack christian churches in Strasbourg.

France, due to a difficult history, has a conception of laicity totally different from, say, Finland. It's less about being welcoming of everyone and more about not killing each others.
So they'll ban burkinis if there's a chance that a riot happens because of it, just like they ban prayers in the streets.
Our last riot was about a dog killed by policemen and youthful men burned 22 cars over the night to protest. At this point anything could go out of control very fast, a lot of people are very upset by what they see as a weakness from the government.

That being said, I don't get the joke in >>85866410 , how is the burkini thing affecting America? I would think it's a very stupid and local thing of my people at the moment.
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>>85868398

Sounds like a good start.
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>>85866449
>>85866410
>due to political correctness, we've been forced to make some changes to the superhero costumes

>edit sashes to have female heroes on them
>edit burkinis to "tacticool"
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>>85869715
In that it mocks the alt-right? Not at all. What I object to is how it completely misses the point of satire. Instead of being a true to form Onion article where you can read it a certain way and it seems like it's actually supporting the subject it's lampooning, that one just came off as preachy. No joke beyond "conservatives... am I right?" You know, like how Cracked has gone to shit?
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>>85870537
The same weakness is already happening here, hence the rioting and the importation of refugees without vetting leading to cultural conflicts because they tend to be dumped in largely conservative white areas of the US.

Believe it or not the US actually pays attention to things outside it's borders and it's starting to get worrying.
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>>85870537
>tradition is tyranny
*tips*
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>>85870738
you didn't disprove the point.
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>>85870537
French laicity just got beheaded today with the new project of making Islam the state religion by having the state monitor imams, mosques and of course, paying a total brainwash of the population in favor of islam. At this rate the president will convert by the end of the year, we lost.
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>forcing modest women to dress like sluts
Good women should only expose themselves to their husbands. It's too bad that only the worst religion on the planet knows how women should behave.
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>>85870645

> No joke beyond "conservatives... am I right?"

the joke was that alt righters are mostly internet meme teenagers whose major political fights are on social media site, you seriously missed the point
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>>85871139
>state monitoring priests and churches is making a state religion, not open surveillance

>paying a total brainwash of the population in favor of islam
what does this even mean
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>>85867868

I just realized the juvenile delinquent has "pirate comics" in his pockets and not TNT.
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>>85871010
Tradition is important to a lot of people for good reason. The fact that it enforced with the varying degrees of peer pressure doesn't mean it isn't an innate part of the human condition. You belittling that either means you are on a slippery slope towards nihilism or you are detached from reality and unable to see things from other people's perspectives enough to understand much about the human condition.

This isn't a defense of every tradition ever. This is a rough explanation as to why your post is a non-argument.
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>>85871222
Not him but do you know when you put people in charge of reporting their own wrongdoing they tend to clear themselves everytime? Same concept except the imams will get federal funding to spread that they are a religion of peace while doing nothing about extremism.
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>>85871388
>while doing nothing about extremism.
All they can do is preach against it and frankly if they do you'd have no idea they're doing it.
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>>85871388
He said that the state will monitors imams and mosques. He didn't say the imams would monitor themselves.
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How 'bout them Kelly comics?
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>>85871483
W-Wait a minute...THAT'S SATIRE
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>>85871539
No, it's just the voice of a generation telling it like it is
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>>85871539
What? Nooooooo!
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>>85870738

Yes, tradition is seen as a bad and dangerous thing in French culture. If you ever see french Euros, you'll notice how they're using very bland symbols like a stupid tree, instead of churches like Spain.

My ancestors have killed their own King, destroyed churches, rampaged through Europe and all that time they were killing each others.

You would need to be there to get that mood, maybe?

When I was young I was a very good student, so the school offered me a book about Mao Tse Toung to teach me what a great man he was and how communism is super cool. I grew up in a town with a Stalingrad street and a Lenin street. Needless to say, our mayor never had a great relationship with our local Church.

It helps to put things in perspective.
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>>85869749
>The book was about a girl pretending to be retarded
>Fucking retarded shit.
Honestly, what were you expecting?
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>>85867294
>I will never understand how progressives are so determined to defend Islam.
Because we've been around sane, reasonable, rational muslims who don't get up into that shit and think it's unfair to group them in with the lunatics who do?

I don't insist most Baptists picket Soldier's funerals or most Catholics bomb cars either.
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>>85871450
The state will appoint a separate branch of imams to oversee mosques, there is absolutely nothing that can go wrong with this because self reporting shit is working out super great now.

>>85871757
Notice how every lone wolf turns out to be a great and upstanding Muslim American citizen up until they start shooting? Ever think that 10000 so completely unvetted 'refugees' is a smart thing?

It's possible to be introspective but recognize problems with others.
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>>85870035
Never said, but we are specifically talking about the ones that do expect the women to wear it and the others that don't don't really suffer for this law.
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>>85871848
>Notice how every lone wolf turns out to be a great and upstanding Muslim American citizen up until they start shooting?
LOL, who? They're all mentally fucked former/current soldiers.
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>>85871848
>The state will appoint a separate branch of imams to oversee mosques, there is absolutely nothing that can go wrong with this because self reporting shit is working out super great now.

Do you honestly think that the French security apparatus is basing their antiterrorism approach on muslim overseers? They've probably got bugs in those mosques and on those imams.

BTW calling it self reporting kinda presupposes that the chosen imams are terrorists themselves.
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>>85871848
>Ever think that 10000 so completely unvetted 'refugees' is a smart thing?
They actually do go through a strict vetting process. The potential problem is that they or their children will go nuts after living in the US for a while.
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>>85871930
Yeah, besides the whole "he was a quiet guy" reaction is universal no matter the race/religion.
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>>85872031
>that the chosen imams are terrorists themselves.
everything indicates this, all terrorists go to the same kind of mosques.
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>>85871848
Notice how every person who does terrible things seems like a not-terrible person until they do terrible things?

funny how that works out

it's almost as if people don't fit in the boxes you like to build for them
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>>85871930
...are you being serious right now? Orlando? San Bernadino? Any of those places ring a bell?

And are you seriously comparing The Troubles with Islamic terrorism? Does Islamic terror seem to have an end goal like the establishment of a free Irish state?
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>>85871559
Wait... did the clerk put on the IMPRESSED CLERKS shirt when he saw the purchase the guy was making and was impressed by it, or was he wearing it for his entire shift without knowing the other guy was coming and it's some bizarre coincidence?
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>>85872111
They guy from Orlando was a headcase who was previously investigated. I never mentioned The Troubles, wtf are you on about.
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>>85868299

if you studied the quran you would know how to spell it
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>>85872230
You could spell my name four different ways in English, don't be a comma fucker, especially with things as arbitrary as Anglicization.
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>>85868091

Islam is very clear about textual interpretation, religious observance, and piety. It isn't merely a conservative iteration of Islam that is being practiced, Islam is just intrinsically hyper-conservative. It has built in protocols that negate any flexibility in judging how a Muslim ought to practice.

Stuff like Jihad can be ambiguous for instance, but the first principles are rigidly the same for all Muslims and this peculiar inflexibility is why its the common source of so many social ills in arab and arabized countries
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>>85870633
>I Miss Marvel
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>>85872121
Clearly the shirts evolve to label the wearer in real time.
This is the future Kelly envisions and won't stop envisioning until it is a thing of the present. It's the future for you, for me, for us all. And only Kelly can see it so clearly.
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>>85872121
You'll understand when you stop being a No Talent Punk With An Axe To Grind and become a Sophisticated Adult.
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>Actually DEFENDING burkas/headcovers

Liberalism is a mental disease.
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>>85872430
So is anime.
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>>85872510
Not an argument.
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>>85872430
What if I defend Hijabs strictly from the grounds I think they're attractive on the right woman?
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>>85872551
I would ask for proof.
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>>85872430
Defending X and calling out shit arguments against X are two different things.
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>>85872266
The quran has never been spelled as the koran though.
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>>85872430
burkas are conservative as fuck, what are you talking about?
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>>85872632
Not him, but liberals love defending everything they should hate because MUH DIVERSITY.
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Well if these women wanna wear those it's their choice after all. I don't think they should forced to wear them or remove them either way.

Although I do think they look a bit silly for beach attire. I'm guessing they come in other colours but why would you ever wear one that's all black? It'd be a pretty quick way to get sweaty hot out in the summer sun.

I wanna see some ladies in Bikini's + Hijabs, now that'd be HOT.
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>>85872609
"literally meaning "the recitation"; also romanized Qur'an or Koran" (wiki)
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>>85868232
Why is Kristen Schaal there?
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>>85872571
What more proof can I provide other than saying I'm attracted?
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>>85872661
Nobody really cares about the women. Conservative West hate them because it's muslim. Liberal West love them because they want brownie points for supporting diversity of people who are against everything the liberals allegedly are for. And here I am, someone who used to identify as liberal who has lost friends because I don't think that we should be accepting Islamic refugees en masse because they stand for everything I thought we were against. I'm islamophobic because I wouldn't want a mass immigration of insular, self propogating conservative religious extremists of any religion, just that this one happens to be Islam.
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>>85872571
It's too bad this is a blue board.
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>>85872661
It's more "we're all here in the same place so we'd best find some kind of arrangement that lets us not kill each other and also kinda respects our cultural backgrounds without explicitly breaking the Western cultural framework we're living in". So yeah, who gives a fuck about someone wearing a burka.
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>>85868027
Literally every major Christian father in the Middle Ages was interested in logic, reason, science, and bringing that together with faith. The same applied to the other Abrahamic religions as well.

And considering Christianity grew during one of the most peaceful and just periods of human existence in the Pax Romana, your entire point is fucking ignorant.
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>>85872851
They make a desert and call it peace.
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>>85872851
You're being awfully idealistic and disingenuous with your Pax Romana comment.
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>>85872847
>It's more "we're all here in the same place so we'd best find some kind of arrangement that lets us not kill each other and also kinda respects our cultural backgrounds without explicitly breaking the Western cultural framework we're living in". So yeah, who gives a fuck about someone wearing a burka.

>Muslims
>Respecting the cultural background of any they're residing on if the law of the land is not Shariah law
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>>85868292
>oppression is worse than murder
So it's like America?
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>>85872816
Important question
Nadia Ali or Mia Khalifa
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>>85872993
>>Muslims
>>Respecting the cultural background of any they're residing on if the law of the land is not Shariah law

>Generalisation
>Intelligent discussion
pick one
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>>85872993
I was about to point out that the "Minority is bad because they don't respect our culture" is a common boogeyman against every minority such as the Jews but then I realized there's a possibility you don't view that as a bad thing.
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>>85873104
not that anon, but nadia ali
mia khalifa has bigger tits but a less attractive face
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>>85872851
Let's not pretend that it wasn't the officially endorsed and upheld state religion of Rome and that maybe just like any officially enforced religion it tends to be the one that wins out and as if any religion that was at the head of Rome wouldn't hadn't become prolific as a result.
Let's apply it today, what parts of the world are the most religious? The poorest and the less educated, increased understanding of the world directly coincides with religion losing adherents, it's not a coincidence that Islam is so powerful, most devout and prolific among the least educated countries in the world.
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>>85873164
>exposing third worlders to things like food and comfort will totally make them productive and westernized
Yeah, that's working out great for young Muslims who decide they are bored with Western life and decide to jihad. Christ, all you people are the same thinking you can make problems go away by throwing money at it.
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>>85873237
>>exposing third worlders to things like food and comfort will totally make them productive and westernized
Did you misquote me? Because that is not even close to what I said.
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>>85867294

They are taught and trained to defend anything that is bad for western civilization.
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>>85873237

I am sure you are very familiar with young western Muslims, you really sound like someone who has delved into this topic.
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>>85873151
Plus her tits look like shit uncovered.
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>>85873365
The Soros Foundation's brainwashing machine. Only Breitbart and Infowars can realign their poor deluded minds.
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>>85872924
It was a period of 206 years with a general peace in Europe. 90 years of that period have been described as "the condition of the human race was most happy and prosperous."

(This being in a Western perspective, obviously)

>>85873164
>Pax Romana
>Christianity was the state religion

Nicene Christianity doesn't become the state religion of the Roman Empire until 380 with the Edict of Thessalonica.

And do you know why the poor flock to Christianity/Islam? It's the same reason why they caught on in the first place. Life if you are poor is fucking miserable, and science offers little comfort other than if you die there is absolutely nothing and you don't matter. Love and Emotion are just chemicals. You are nothing but electric nodes.

Christianity/Islam tell you that you matter. That there is something greater. That it doesn't matter if you were born in the gutter and you can't read or write. That you are black, a woman, or some other minority. All they ask are for you to believe and not to be an asshole.

There's a reason why Christianity caught on as it did.
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>>85873415
I know several who are pretty much non practicing, I'm not talking about them because they came here with their parents who had qualities and skills other than 'look sad and be retarded in a camp'

When you open up borders and relax standards you get detritus that don't even belong in the third world. A country the benefits from immigration is a country that takes the best and brightest at the expense of the other country. If you just import people for the sake of importation it's useless and detrimental.
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>>85873151
My Gentleman of SubSaharan African Descent.
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>>85873636
Will he get his LAKERS TICKETS back?
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>>85869813
If he came back, he'd probably break Trump's jaw.

The man is everything he hated rolled into one.
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>>85873636
>tor, a judge ruled, according to TMZ. (KEVIN WINTER/GETTY IMAGES)
BY
ETHAN SACKS
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Friday, February 21, 2014, 12:29 PM
A two minute radio interview has cost Mel Gibson's baby mama hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Oksana Grigorieva didn't directly reveal too much in her October sit down with Howard Stern, but a judge ruled that she violated the confidentiality agreement that she signed as part of a 2011 custody agreement over their daughter Lucia, TMZ reported.

Howard Stern interviews Oksana Grigorieva in May 2013.
Howard Stern interviews Oksana Grigorieva in May 2013. (HOWARDTV)
The 43-year-old Russian beauty tried to tap dance around questions about Gibson — who previously was caught on tape admitting to punching her in the face — but did slip and call their time together a "painful and dark" experience.


Oksana Grigorieva, who made the mistake of turning down a $15 million settlement offer from Gibson, looks at her former boyfriend during a hearing in a Los Angeles Superior Court during their 2011 custody battle. (KEVORK DJANSEZIAN/GETTY IMAGES)
The slip of the tongue will cost Grigovrieva at least one third of the $750,000 settlement that Gibson still owed. That payment had been scheduled to be doled out in January 2016.

>The legal blow comes on the heels of news that Grigorieva filed for bankruptcy, with just $10 cash to her name, according to legal documents obtained by TMZ.

>The numbers are more stunning when considering that Grigorieva famously turned down a $15 million settlement from Gibson to roll the dice on a bigger payday in court.

MAXIMUS KEKUS
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>>85868080
So, to show that it's wrong to dictate what women can and can't wear, we should tell women they can't wear something?
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>>85868116
Should makeup be illegal then?
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>>85866640
>A burlap sack is using imagination
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>>85872307
dat perfect pun
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>>85874069
Christianity and Islam as well. If you look, there are certainly misogynystic verses or whatever in both. So close down the churches and forbid the practice of both. That'll go down well, I'm sure.
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>>85873164
>increased understanding of the world directly coincides with religion losing adherents
That's only a relatively recent thing. For most of recorded history, the most educated peoples were still devout.
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>>85874529
Because they were educated by priests?
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>all this bitching on burqa ban
>not a single peep on an actual rape culture going on
feminists everyone
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>>85867180
you mean the ones we're not taking in?
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>>85874646
priests were the ones who did make a point to preserve much of the old world
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>>85872632
they are, but liberal double think makes them progressive
end of the day its not even to be liberal though, its to be anti western
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>>85867722
>freedom of religion shouldn't exist because I hate mozzies
Fuck you faggot. Islam is fucking awful but it's your goddamn right to be a retard
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>>85872430
If any headgear should be banned, it should be your fedora, pal. Cause it's showing.
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>>85875072
>the fedora argument for anything that isn't overly feminist or mgtow, or anything to do with atheism
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>>85868550
Prove to me that they don't willingly agree to it
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>>85874816
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>>85874946
That doesn't negate my point.
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>>85875126
>anything to do with atheism
this doesn't have anything to do with atheism. atheism doesn't equate with religious intolerance.
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>>85873482
>90 years of that period have been described as "the condition of the human race was most happy and prosperous."
You mean by the ~10% of the population who had the money to fuck around and write stupid bullshit all day right?
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>>85874816
Man, I don't even want to know what's going on there. HOwever, considering muslims have an actual rape culture and the guy gets away with everything it's funny how SJW's clamor to protect rapist. I guess it's fine because they aren't white.
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How do we stop Kelly before he drops too many truth bombs on the unsuspecting populace?
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>>85875335
>money to fuck around and write stupid bullshit all day right

Kinda like sjws
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>>85874816
>/tv/ meetup in telford
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>>85875983
yea, the rich elite who gets to pontificate about things sucks regardless of the ideology and reasons
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>>85873063
Don't tread on me!
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>>85874860
It's not super-popular in Syria
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>>85876067
That's my purse! I don't know you!
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Why do you guys care so much if some women cover up? There have always been women covering up and it never influenced more slutty western women to all put on modest wear or religious wear. Some things are an actual threat to western civilization but this isn't one of them.
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>>85867691
Nigga I know lots of single adult Muslim women who wear burqas by choice
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>>85868027
I agree. But it will happen naturally for Islam too, over time, so it is very important that nothing is done to coerce them out of it. That just creates more division and polarization and radicalization. Simply spreading peace and eliminating ignorance is the best longterm solution to all of these problems
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>>85868031
She didn't invent the phrase alt-right. Gamergate might get thrown in their because your great leader is also a leader in the alt-right movement, and his boss is now Trump's campaign manager
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>>85868239
There are multiple interpretations and greater context for that
As could be said for many things quoted from the Koran
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>>85876293
Comfort, peacetime and education will get rid of this definitely. Meanwhile, there are Kurds that are leaving Islam in droves and a sizable number of Muslims are turning to a once-dead religion in that region because of them losing their faith with recent events. It's not enough sadly but it's happening for some people there.
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>>85868450
>and the church itself abolished slavery in the fourth century
The Catholic Church?
Because that didn't work out for like another 1500 years in Catholic and Christian countries
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>>85876384
It doesn't from what I've seen in the ghettos of France. Prosperity and comfort beyond thier wildest dreams and they decide to turn to religion and hate.

Christians are derided for this and yet it is tolerable for Islam.
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>>85876082
Europe is only getting grown men of fighting age from Syria
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>>85869085
>>85869135
Guys, Google alt-right
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>>85872430
Idiots should be allowed to wear whatever they want.
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>>85874970
Most liberals believe in freedom of choice. Forcing women to wear burqas is wrong. Forcing women not to wear something that their religion tells them to wear is also wrong. They should be allowed to choose. Most liberals aren't against women being housewives either, they're against women not having a choice.
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>>85869672
>Reddit and /pol/ mostly

Yeah I'm sure Hillary reads /pol/ for news on what her opponents are up to. Fuck off.
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>>85876645
most liberals are very selective on what they choose to pay attention to
funny how they were bitching how everyone cared about the masseuse in France, and not other deaths around the world.
but its a wonder they care so much about this ban despite not being French themselves while not caring about actual rapes around not only the world, but the western world
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>>85866832
>Eurocuck doesn't understand freedom
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>>85876476
>trusting the top google result on anything
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>>85876714
>implying freedom applies to subhumans
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>>85874970
>Being conservative is liberal
Words don't have meaning anymore
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>>85876784
being anti western is progressive and that's all that matters to a liberal
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>>85876764
Do you know what this is?
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>>85872538
Neither is "Liberalism is a mental disease" pussy
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>>85876798
Explain why they're so in love with sweden then
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>>85876896
why liberals are so in love with Sweden?
because MUH SOCIALISM WORKING RITE
ITS A FEMINIST NATION
WHAT RAPES? that's only because their definition of rape is loose despite the rates only going significantly up when we introduced a mass influx of migrants!
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>>85876472
>It doesn't from what I've seen in the ghettos of France. Prosperity and comfort beyond thier wildest dreams and they decide to turn to religion and hate.

Ghettos = prosperity and comfort beyond wildest dreams. Is this a fucking joke?
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I'm so happy this is still considered a /co/ related thread just because it has a /co/ related OP
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>>85876976
Go home fox news, you're not even edgy enough for /pol/
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>>85877041
Comparative to the hell hole they left?

Guess what? Saudis are having the same fucking problem, youth who are given everything needed for life but a bored youth that will cause trouble because religion tells them to do so.

By all means shower them with more money though. I'm sure they'll put it to good use.

>>85877075
I think mods are doing the equivalent of leaving a bit of meat out to be bait then taking the ant covered mess and burning it.
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>>85877097
what are you even talking about
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>>85877104
I don't believe for a moment you know jack shit about the people who live in the ghettos. All you've done is spout the same bullshit I can read on a pol infographic.
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>>85876976
>WHAT RAPES? that's only because their definition of rape is loose despite the rates only going significantly up when we introduced a mass influx of migrants!

Or maybe when you start recording "inappropriate staring" as a sexual offense you get a lot of cases.
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>>85877149
so Muzzies can't assimilate to the culture anyways
either way Sweden has a problem
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>>85877178
>so Muzzies can't assimilate to the culture anyways
This doesn't follow from my post. And it's a ridiculous generalisation so it's wrong by definition.
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>>85877130
I grew up in a largely poor and racially homogeneous area most would consider a ghetto but I'm east Asian so I guess my privlage ranks above that of a black person in your opinion so you'll do your self righteous speil about not knowing true struggle.

The place has gone to shit with FOBs thinking they don't need to assimilate and I will admit that but the desire to integrate into western society while adapting previous be life's is a core tenent of what any truly multicultural society should be about, any tolerance towards those who will not adapt is toxic to society as a whole.
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>>85876472
That's not comfort and prosperity, you just mentioned "ghettos" after all. Wealth disparity plus cultural isolation and displacement will make these people look at themselves as the have-nots, obviously, and second class citizens. It really isn't beyond their wildest dreams either, a lot of people who were rich when they fled their countries are living in shit ghettos now. In order to even flee and become a refugee at least legally (rather than trying to get on a boat and drown) you have to be a middle to upper class Syrian or Iraqi in the first place.
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>>85877149
Yes, the prediction towards child sex grooming in largely Muslim areas is a cultural misunderstanding.
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>>85877281
[citation needed]
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>>85877263
So stay and fight for the country or stop bitching. Are you seriously saying people should subsidize thier previous levels of living?
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>>85876809
Chains?
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>>85877291
>Rotherdam was simply an isolated group of individuals behaving poorly
>it has nothing to do with the fact the exploiting of children is completely fine in thier native shitholes

Next you'll bring up some entertainment sex scandal as if it has any bearing to the matter currently discussed. Maybe you'll throw in something about Catholic priests. Anything to distract, really.
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>>85877335
>Next you'll bring up some entertainment sex scandal as if it has any bearing to the matter currently discussed. Maybe you'll throw in something about Catholic priests. Anything to distract, really.

I see the abuse of children is just a "distraction" to you. The kids who got raped by non-muslims are unimportant. What matters is the holy war against the mud people.
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>>85877291
The west doesn't understand those kids are really hot.
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>>85877393
>I see the abuse of children is just a "distraction" to you. The kids who got raped by non-muslims are unimportant. What matters is the holy war against the mud people.
do you know what a distraction is?
its a catalyst not a distraction, if there was no rapes, no murders done by migrants we'd all live happily ever after in unity, but that isn't the case
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>>85877440
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westminster_paedophile_dossier
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elm_Guest_House_child_abuse_scandal

You're probably angry that the muslims got to those kids before you could.
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>>85877393
No the importation of more potnial molesters is an issue, the problems of the domestic need to get fixed instead of compounding them and then finger pointing.

How many more people have to get hurt in order for your ego to be sated in its righteousness?

Only a few bad apples? Why are any more even being bought in?

You'll say that if even one innocent life can be saved it will be worth it. You don't care for anything else.
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>>85877502
>Only a few bad apples? Why are any more even being bought in?
Only a few bad apples? Why are even more being born? Stop the births, commit self-genocide, and crime will plummet!
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>>85877462
i'm not blind to rapes done by Europeans, such scum should be purged
but if you really want to play this game
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rochdale_sex_trafficking_gang
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Doublet
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derby_sex_gang
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford_sex_gang
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_Sex_Gang
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telford_sex_gang
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peterborough_sex_abuse_case
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banbury_sex_gang
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aylesbury_sex_gang
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keighley_sex_gang

lets not also forget how this shit was being covered up, parents not even allowed to save their children because police didn't want to be labeled racists
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>>85877462
Wow. Nice, this is a new low even for this level of mud slinging. You don't even refute Muslims tend to rape, you just go right back to finger pointing.

>>85877523
Amazing, you're not even trying at this point, it's like the gears slipped and you're just whirring along on the moral high ground after randomly lashing out and calling someone a pedophile.
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>>85877555
>Nice, this is a new low even for this level of mud slinging.

So implying that Muslims are child rapists is OK, but me saying that he's a pedophile isn't. That's an interesting moral stance.
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>>85877610
not saying all Muslims are rapist, saying rape rates have gone up since these migrants have came which is a fact
what's more important?
you getting to feel superior because how progressive the society you live in now! (despite not living with a large number of these people)
or the lives of the people who got stepped on to expand your ego.
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>>85877610
Muslims are over represented in sex crimes that include underage crimes, yes.

Are you comfortable with people getting hurt for the greater good? Can you even define it at this point?
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>>85877666
>>85877688
What choice is there?
You can send them back to their countries where they'll probably die or you can let them in.
I know what side you're on.
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>>85877730
>You can send them back to their countries where they'll probably die
that's fine, they're mostly grown men of fighting age, they can fix their own countries. since when are they our responsibility anyways?
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>>85877768
>since when are they our responsibility anyways?
They're not, that's why it's called humanitarian aid.
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>>85877768
>they can fix their own countries
And this is a ridiculous world view. If people can fix their countries how come you haven't fixed yours. Why is there crime at all. You must be a pretty bad person if you're not willing to end murder, robbery, rape etc.

Some random refugee is supposed to "fix his country" that barely exists.
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>>85877730
Keep and help women and children. And I mean actual child dependants, cut off should probably be about 10 if you want a chance of changing thier mindsets.

Mainly though fund safe areas patrolled via international coalition, not camps. That allows them to form community and make a living because whatever they left probably isn't there anymore and you get situations where entire generations live and die in settlements.
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>>85877877
And bringing in some comolete stranger with nonpaper, no history and not even knowlege of the language is supposed to be the humane alternative?

You haven't given a single reason why anyone should import the world's problems to thier doorstep.
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>>85877879
If that worked, it would be done. Do you think politicians like refugees, they're career killers.
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>>85877877
>If people can fix their countries how come you haven't fixed yours
you don't know me asshole, i "fix" my country everyday by being a productive member of society who follows the law. i don't leach off welfare like many migrants tend to do or pick and choose what laws apply to me.
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>>85877928
So the humane alternative is ... sending him to his death. That is an interesting definition of "humane".
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>>85877955
why are you thinking of them as children or animals incapable of taking care for themselves?
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>>85877941
Well let's hope your country doesn't end up devastated one day, so you don't have to find out how much your productivity and obeyance of the law will count when you're begging for your life in another country.
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>>85877979
Because they are his pets.
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>>85877979
Why are you avoiding thinking about the myriad problems they're facing, death being one of the foremost.
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>>85877938
Refugees are supposed to be garunteed voting bloc. Internal memos say as much when stating why they should be allowed in. Politicians also use a culture of political correctness to take advantage of the fact any criticism of thier policies is somehow racist. Political suicide? Name one party that has been ousted on such grounds and not bolstered via virtue signalling?

>>85877955
It's not certain death and you still haven't answered why it's the West's burden to take them in. Because of some far past slight? Because of some vast conspiracy to destroy thier governments? Is it the West's fault corruption is so endemic something as simple as polio vaccines can't be administered or funded properaly?
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>>85878025
and they are our responsibility why? hell and as far as i'm concerned if they have no interest in following our laws they're as good as dead anyways, the ungrateful cunts
oh lets not forget how they conveniently skip over all the safe countries, to get to the ones with the most welfare.
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>>85878042
>Refugees are supposed to be garunteed voting bloc.
Refugees can't vote.
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>>85877995
It will only get devastated via swarms of people being imported who see nothing better than to destroy it. If you are so willing to take in people do so yourself, there are many programs to bring the poor huddled masses you claim you care so much for to your doorstep and within your home.
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>>85878042
You like to pretend the west didn't destabilize the whole place just so the world didn't move from the petrol-dollar.
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>>85877995
it probably will end up fucked up if we take in more refugees
either way if you want a "humane" solution, its better help countries the poor people are in, not take them in
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPjzfGChGlE
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>>85878078
their children can, its a long term plan
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>>85878085
And billions were spent fixing the infrastructure. I've yet to see a single mention of that in anyone's calculations of supposed debt owed.

>>85878078
Social mobility among them is dismal, either way they are stuck there.
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>>85878085
>muh oil
wasn't my choice, why should i or any of the common man suffer
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>>85878143
>wasn't my choice, why should i or any of the common man suffer
And it was their choice to be born in a shit country, to be fucked with so you can have what you have?
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>>85878085
Because I voted for the retarded wars when I was 14. Okay.
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>>85878159
Tough shit, life is not fair.
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>>85878179
>Tough shit, life is not fair.
Keep these words in mind the next time you see someone brown.
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>>85878159
Pretty much, you want to be flowery about it and prance about but you think and feel the same way.

I can link you to various shared housing programs for these people you can sign up for but it'll probably be wasted effort.
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>>85878196
is this a threat?
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>>85878042
>It's not certain death and you still haven't answered why it's the West's burden to take them in.
>>85878071
>and they are our responsibility why?

Moral responsibility. Humanitarian aid. And in the end, you/we are legally obliged.
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>>85878212
Are you completely retarded?
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>>85878216
>Moral responsibility. Humanitarian aid. And in the end, you/we are legally obliged.
there are people around me who need help too, they are my first priority
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>>85878211
>Pretty much, you want to be flowery about it and prance about but you think and feel the same way.

So when something happens to you it's not your choice, when something happens to them it is their choice.
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>>85878237
I'm sure there's enough of you for everyone. You seem like a guy with a large heart.
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>>85877877
We DID fix ours. Maybe you haven't noticed but the Crusades are over, the Inquisition was disbanded, blacks can be landowners and women can vote.
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>>85878216
Legal obligation? Are you being serious right now? Well color me surprised, here I was thinking I could vote for representives to tell people like you to fuck off but apparently it's now supreme law of the land to pour people who I have no loyalty or obligation to because you say so.

>>85878274
When something happens to me that is my problem, luck determines my options, I will never dispute or deny that but frankly people outside my culture, language and geography aren't as important to me.

C'mon, walk the walk and screenshot your application to turn your home into a refugee wayward home. Heck, just offer to sponsor someone. You seem like a guy with a big heart. I'm sure there's plenty of you to go around.
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>>85878313
there's only 24 hours in a day, i take care of those who are my responsibility
"refugees" whom are adult men of fighting age aren't my responsibility they should be able to take care of themselves.
"but they might die" tough shit, people died protecting things they found worth protecting
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>>85878360
>Legal obligation? Are you being serious right now? Well color me surprised, here I was thinking I could vote for representives to tell people like you to fuck off but apparently it's now supreme law of the land to pour people who I have no loyalty or obligation to because you say so.
You voted for representatives and they told "people like me" that it's OK. If you're from the UK, don't worry, that will end eventually, now that you've voted Leave.

>C'mon, walk the walk and screenshot your application to turn your home into a refugee wayward home. Heck, just offer to sponsor someone. You seem like a guy with a big heart. I'm sure there's plenty of you to go around.
I'm walking the walk by voting for representatives who support my politics. And since I don't believe individual action can, in the end, efficiently help people, I'll leave the allocation of resources and the work with refugees to professionals.
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Christ, what the hell is this shit thread still doing up?

Wall of fucking text from wall of fucking text. Fuck this election cycle, I just wanted to talk about Kelly
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>>85878405
So if you accept that your actions 'help' the needy then you accept all harms that comes when the masses you bring in decide to hurt others?
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>>85878410
>I just wanted to talk about Kelly
lol bro, you know what kelly threads get like
don't play the fool
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>>85878405
>And since I don't believe individual action can, in the end, efficiently help people
so you're just a lazy asshole who wants to feel superior to us vermin huh?
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>>85878435
By that logic, Americans are guilty of 9/11.
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>>85878438
I thought for a second maybe this being still up with this many posts might mean actual discussion regarding America's Mouth, Ears and Nose was taking place.
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>>85878447
No.
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>>85878478
then why won't you take in a refugee to your house or at least sponsor one yourself?
you do realize these people are gonna have to live among us anyways right? why not be a positive experience for them yourself. after all you're the one who wants to help them
you don't think its not gonna be ordinary volunteers taking care of them? we all have to pitch in for the society we want
you could be great
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>>85878454
I dunno, was there a party I could vote for that would cause 9/11?

Maybe directly asking for more refugees is different than a shadow military industrial complex that pervades all parties.
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>>85878509

Doesn't matter. The people made a choice and that choice had consequences. So the people are guilty.

That's not my logic, of course, it's yours.
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>>85878554
Wow, really turned my logic against myself. Or how about you stop acting proud of the fact you did your 'humanitarian duty' and then completely ignore the damage it does.
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>>85869401
>Freedom, liberty, blah blah blah
>WHAT?! NO YOU CAN'T USE YOUR LIBERTY TO WEAR THAT KIND OF CLOTHES!

Believe it or not you paranoid faggot, there are lots of Muslim women in the West who wear this stuff without the threat of honor killing.

French are being hypocritical faggots for allowing women to go around topless but throwing a fit if they want to follow the rules of their religion.
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>>85878655
Nigga, there was a Muslim riot regarding swimwear, how about ejecting the dumbasses from the beach entirely? Don't like it? Don't chimp out over swimwear.
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>>85878698
Nigga, there are riots over everything, by every race.
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Was bump limit always this high?
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>>85878721
Okay, then contain the ones happening at the moment. Unless you think they deserve to have special treatment.
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>>85878612
I'm not acting proud, I'm just discussing. Don't worry, the thread will end soon enough.
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>>85867294
Because in this case it's not defending Islam, it's defending secular democracy.

Do cuckservatives even realize they're supporting totalitarianism when they say the State should be allowed to tell women that a wet suit with a scar is illegal?
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>>85878736
You don't contain football riots by forbidding football.
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>>85878761
No you do it via riot mitigation techniques like banning alcohol at events. What you are suggesting is banning the beach.
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>>85867989
>only result in muslim women not going to the beach
Works better than expected.
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>>85878698
Wow who would have expected there would be outrage at a law that is essentially the first steps in saying "We want Islam banned in France"?

Would you be ok with whatever shitty little demographic you fit in being made legally ostracized by the State?
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>>85868292

Except when they do it, of course.
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>>85878747
So you are ashamed of your vote? You see it as something you need to do? And most discussion doesn't have one party call another a pedophile for... what reason other than not wanting pedophiles imported in the country? Ideally there should be none but the addition of even one more is fucking terrible.

>>85878789
You've said yourself that there are plenty of interpretations of Islam, surely it can survive something as trivial as removing a headscarf?
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>>85868346

Slavery, at least the kind they talk about in the bible, was more like being an assistant and paying a loan off to your master. It was a agreed work stint and the slave was compensated immediately, usually sending it to his poor family. It was comparable to a McJob.

That isn't to say it didn't suck and you couldn't get fucked up doing it, pic related.
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>>85878856
>So you are ashamed of your vote? You see it as something you need to do?
I'm indifferent. This shows you see the world in black and white, if the only two states someone can be are proud or ashamed.
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>>85878865
I know nothing about this but I don't trust you. We're talking about 2-3 thousand years ago and you're comparing slavery to working at McDonalds.
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>>85869401
>By allowing burkinis, they are basically giving a greenlight to the Taliban
That's quite a stretch anon.
>Any Muslim who claims it's a personal choice to wear one should try dressing in Western clothes and see how long before they get murdered.
Plenty of muslim women dress like sluts in Europe.
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>>85878888
I just want to parse what your logic is when voting for refugees. If it is for humanitarian reasons then you should feel good about it. If you disagree with them or the manner in which it occurs them surely you would voice your opinions?
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>>85878856
>surely it can survive something as trivial as removing a headscarf?

Doesn't work that way pal. If you're a secular republic with values of freedom and liberty then you have to allow harmless religious practices like what clothing people wear.

And no, the fact that some families commit murder over headscarfs doesn't validate the right to discriminate and ban it.
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>>85878698
To be fair taking pictures of strange women on the beach is pretty rude, but yeah, that was certainly a huge overreaction.
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>>85878865
Roman slavery had house slaves like you mentioned and labor slaves who worked the fields or mines basically until they died.
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>>85878789
You realize that burkas have been illegal in France for years, right?
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>>85868614
>even from cozy-living european immigrants.

Now there is a bunch of entitled faggots right there. Living in a country not overthrown every year, full rights as a citizen and medical care, and likely a scholarship or job support because they are a minority or immigrant. "Yeah, let's kill some infidels for all the horrible things they have apparently done."
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>>85878917
Okay, when they can dress like sluts and not get threatened with death or acid in the more conservative ghettos I'll be impressed.

>>85878932
> the fact that some families commit murder over headscarfs doesn't validate the right to discriminate and ban it
Okay, let's walk that part out. If there is a religion that does that, even a subsect you don't think that it is within the government's obligation to try and fix that?
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>>85878992
Hey, if they don't like it they can leave. Which they do. The problem is when they either come back or start trying to change things back home.
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>>85878925
>I just want to parse what your logic is when voting for refugees. If it is for humanitarian reasons then you should feel good about it. If you disagree with them or the manner in which it occurs them surely you would voice your opinions?

I don't think you understand what "parsing logic" means because that's not what you're doing here.
The logic is simple - it's humanitarian. They're running from a horrific war.
The other questions you're asking have nothing to do with logic.
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>>85878405
>If you're from the UK, don't worry, that will end eventually, now that you've voted Leave.
Retard. First of all UK isn't leaving, that's not happening. Second of all refugees and migrants in the UK have little to do with the EU, the UK was full of them before Schengen.
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>>85879025
So you do it completely on the good feeling it gives you and ignore the bad?
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>>85878994
>Okay, when they can dress like sluts and not get threatened with death or acid in the more conservative ghettos I'll be impressed.
Nice moving of the gloaposts. PROTIP: some do, where did you think slutty muslims come from?
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>>85879027
>First of all UK isn't leaving, that's not happening.
The party that ignores the referendum will lose. Face it, you're out. Not now, but in a couple of years.
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>>85879041
You keep talking about these good feelings. I don't get good feelings. I look at the situation and choose a solution that looks the best to me.
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>>85878932
>And no, the fact that some families commit murder over headscarfs doesn't validate the right to discriminate and ban it.
Certainlky makes it a lot less harmless.
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>>85878994
You don't remove the Westbro Baptist Church by making Christianity illegal.

Unless you're some Stalinist tool, in which case get fucked.

>>85878986
And it's hypocritical of the French who claim to value individual freedoms. However in their defense, facial recognition should be allowed as a requirement to enter buildings. Don't think you need to ban clothing to do that though.
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>>85879053
>The party that ignores the referendum will lose
Then they'll lose, not that it actually matters.

I'm not British and it's not happening, European governments have a big tradition of ignoring referendums that go against the EU.
Sorry buddy.
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>>85879067

I love your logic which goes:
>These people are crazy, they're killing over a scarf!!! Let's ban religious scarves, cause then they won't kill the women who aren't wearing them cause in this one case they will behave logically and say "Well, the law forbids her to wear it so it's OK."
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>>85879091
They're out. It's done.
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>>85879052
They come from secular Muslims, the type that see fit to beat and stone women occupy a completely different world in the same country. Do you not see how this is a problem?

>>85879080
>other people are Stalinist tools
>but it is not oppression if people live by completely different laws in thier own enclaves as long as they are Muslim
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>>85879094
Either people adapt to the new status quo or become destructive elements that would be removed.

Islam is incompatible with Western ideology therefore forced reformation is necessary.
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>>85879108
>but it is not oppression if people live by completely different laws in thier own enclaves as long as they are Muslim

Is it oppression when parents forbid their son or daughter to have sex before marriage?
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>>85879139
The "new status quo" seems to be "We respect all religions except Islam".
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>>85879108
When the fuck did I support Sharia law in secular countries? Never you fucking shithead.

Muslims have to obey secular laws. Now having to go through face recognition to enter certain buildings if perfectly fine. Banning the clothes outright is discriminatory and goes against all their values they claim to strive for.

This burkakini thing just shows that it was less about security and more about wanting to ban all forms of outward expressions of Islam.

It'd be no different than the US making crucifixes illegal because of their anti-catholic sentiments.
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>>85879080
>And it's hypocritical of the French who claim to value individual freedoms.
Not really, American freedoms and French liberty are somewhat different conceptually.
>However in their defense, facial recognition should be allowed as a requirement to enter buildings.
That's part of he reasoning. Covering your face can be used to hide your identity.
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>>85879144
Or what? See, in modern western society there is a firm belief that killing your female relatives for things like adultery or shutting around is impermissible. Can modern Islam say the same?
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>>85879175

You're lumping all Muslims into the same bag here, thinking they'll all throw acid into women's faces etc. That's textbook bigotry.
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>>85879094
Cool strawman.
You realize that they were fighting non-muslims over this whole burkini thing, right? They put a pregnant woman in the hospital.

Besides your reasoning is "well if they're going to kill them for not wearing them, we should allow them to wear them", which is just indulging oppression.

>>85879103
Nope.
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>>85879209
I'm no . You said yourself there are plenty of westernized Muslims and I can attest to this, if so why cannot there be some intervention regarding the more backwards elements?
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>>85879108
>They come from secular Muslims, the type that see fit to beat and stone women occupy a completely different world in the same country.
These people are more often neighbours than you seem to think.
But yes, extremist muslims are a problem nonetheless.
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>>85879156
Nobody in France respects the catholics anon.
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>>85879230
>if so why cannot there be some intervention regarding the more backwards elements
Why do you think there aren't interventions already? What do you expect them to do? I mean, that's utter bullshit. All they can do is raise their own children and instill in them the right values.
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>>85879230
>fighting religious extremism with bigotry

Yeah I'm sure moderate Muslims just love knowing their religion is actively being barred from the public eye and the government indulges people's hatred and mistrust of all Muslims.

>You can be Muslim, but only the agnostic secular ones who don't follow any of Islam's tenants. Yeah those ones are ok.
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>>85879221
>ou realize that they were fighting non-muslims over this whole burkini thing, right? They put a pregnant woman in the hospital.
Incidents happen. How many other things should we ban because someone did something dumb and harmful?

>Besides your reasoning is "well if they're going to kill them for not wearing them, we should allow them to wear them", which is just indulging oppression.
Women cannot be ordained in the catholic church. Ban all crosses. Ban the priest robes. Ban nun uniforms. That's your logic.
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>>85879276
So tiptoe around 'moderate' Muslims because they are one article of clothing away from going sleeper cell terrorist? That seems like a logical solution.
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>>85879289
>incidents happen
Yeah, like being born in a war zone but according to you this is super important to take into account things like this. So incidents happen but as long as they are non Muslims it doesn't matter?
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>>85879310
>not banning clothes = tiptoeing
>not raping women = being a cuck
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>>85872851
I fucking love Rome and Augustus was glorious but the Pax Romana was pretty far from peaceful.

Orderly is the word, and anything would look orderly compared to the clusterfuck that was the triumvirate.
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>>85879320
I'm not sure where rape comes into your thinking but assimilation is key. Monks, nuns and Orthodox clergy wear thier clothing to separate themselves from everyone else. Do you think this is healthy socially?
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>>85866723
>>85866832
>>85866977

ITT: No one on /co/ reads news.

The "outrage" was not about the fact of the ban itself, it was about the fact that while the ban was overturned, a life guard on a beach approached a woman that wore a burkini and gave her the ultimatum to leave or take it off. Which is pretty ridiculous if you ask me. If I choose to hide my body on the beach, that is my decision alone.

The scary thing about that is the fact that this is even a point of discussion. It's not the states decision what I should wear, based solely on cultural background. Nazis are taking over. Even if you disregard the fact that they hate everything that is not themselves, the prospect of those people taking power is scary. Throughout history, they haven't exactly shown themselves to be people with high brain power.
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>>85879276
Jesus Christ go back to tumblr already if you're just going to talk of topics you know nothing about because you feel offended for a group of people you don't belong to.

Islam is not barred from the public eye in any way in France, and the governement does a lot to foster its aceptance. There's literally a TV show about Islam's history and culture on public funded French TV and muslims have been elected France's favorite personality in the past.
http://www.france2.fr/emissions/les-chemins-de-la-foi/religions/islam

You're just latching on the one thing that the governement won't let go, despite it making perfect sense in the laïc French ideal. Literally 99+% of French muslims aren't even concerned by burka/burkini bans.
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>>85879319
>Yeah, like being born in a war zone but according to you this is super important to take into account things like this. So incidents happen but as long as they are non Muslims it doesn't matter?

If you've proven one thing in this thread it's that your brain is completely unable to process information more complex than a cartoon.

Being born isn't something you can control. Sticking someone with a knife is. And no, I never said we have to take into accounts that someone was born. What kind of fucking sense does that make?

The fact that I don't want muslim scarves to be banned doesn't mean I am "ignoring" the fact that there was a stabbing. Just like the fact that I don't want cars to be banned doesn't mean that I am "ignoring" the automobile accidents that happen all the fucking time.
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>>85879310
Why don't you just admit you hate Muslims and would like to see them out of the West?

Because that basically what you're "tiptoeing" around when you support these bans. That the only Muslims that are allowed to exist in the secular West are agnostic/atheist ones who are only culturally Muslim.
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>>85879356
Let's ban their clothes. Except we won't. Cause they're our people. And the Muslims aren't.
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>>85879289
>Incidents happen. How many other things should we ban because someone did something dumb and harmful?
Why do you think gun laws are strict in France and most drugs are illegal?

>Women cannot be ordained in the catholic church. Ban all crosses. Ban the priest robes. Ban nun uniforms. That's your logic.
Cool it with the strawmen. This one doesn't even make sense.
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>>85879369
>Nazis are taking over.
Are you a 14 year old girl?
>Even if you disregard the fact that they hate everything that is not themselves, the prospect of those people taking power is scary. Throughout history, they haven't exactly shown themselves to be people with high brain power.
Sweet irony.
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>>85879383
>your brain is completely unable to process information more complex than a cartoon
>from someone who votes based on some vague feeling of humanitarianism
Sure, let in a bunch more people who think and act this way. That'll solve pesky intolerance.
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>>85879221
They are fucking leaving that undemocratic bloc of bastards and you are going to like it.
Don't make me bring Brit/pol/ into this I swear I'll post Karen.
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>>85879412
Comparing guns and drugs to clothes is idiotic. Both are actively harmful to the body, and their only use is that harm.

It's not a strawman. You're arguing that we shouldn't indulge oppression. Not ordaining women implies only men are good enough to be priests. It's oppression. So let's not indulge it. Ban them all.
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>>85879375
It's a fucked up liberal rehashing of colonialism and "the melting pot" theory that uses societal pressure to mold every immigrant into a specific identity.

Supporting this soft discrimination is no different than the hard discrimination the USA did when they forced Native American children to be taught to become good little idealized whitewashed protestant Americans at the expense of their native culture.
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>>85879453
Yes, making intolerance law will solve intolerance. Brilliant.
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>>85879389
>if you support the burka ban you hate muslims
Yeah, no.

>That the only Muslims that are allowed to exist in the secular West are agnostic/atheist ones who are only culturally Muslim.
>they can do every single thing that Islam asks of them
>except that one very specific interpretation is not permitted literally one thing
>somehow that means that nothing muslim is allowed

You're exactly as binary as what you criticize.
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>>85879398
Are the Muslims our own? They decide things in a completely alien manner and you admit there is little hope of curbing this nor do you want to.
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>>85879454
Brit/pol/ don't know shit, like the rest of /pol/.
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>>85879484
>They decide things in a completely alien manner and you admit there is little hope of curbing this nor do you want to.
I never said that they decide things in a completely alien manner, nor do I believe it.
So you know, stop strawmanning.
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>>85879469
God forbid anyone gets in the way of Muslims rioting, killing women or setting up separate law systems.
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Within a decade many European cities will be Islamic majority. This isn't hyperbole, demographics (that aren't banned) is destiny.

If the cultural divide is so great it will turn to war.

Europe will be in flames and unrecognisable by 2050.

But do continue pretending everything will be fine.
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>>85879473
>except the most publicly visual way to identify someone as a Muslim

Nothing says "society accepts me" like the police throwing you in jail if you show one of the main ways to identify as a Muslim.

How long until praying in public is also seen as something that should be banned because it "harms the community" of nihilistic Last Men Frenchies?
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>>85879505
Would stoning a woman be a logical answer to anything ever? Would throwing acid on a young girls face be considered a logical answer? Would throwing gays off the highest building?

Does any of this seem at all compatible with Western doctrine?
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>>85879513
Yes, the burka ban will stop all that. It's a kind of magic.
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>>85879455
>Comparing guns and drugs to clothes is idiotic.
It's you who provided the idiotic context.
>Both are actively harmful to the body, and their only use is that harm.
But that's wrong you retard.

>You're arguing that we shouldn't indulge oppression.
Actually, you are. You are the one saying these people should be allowed to wear burkas specifically because they would be killed if they weren't allowed to.

>Not ordaining women implies only men are good enough to be priests. It's oppression. So let's not indulge it. Ban them all.
Call me back when a priest kills a woman because she said she wanted to get ordained. Not that I care about other religions mind you, I only care about cold hard consequences, and it's been a while since a non-mulsim got killed for leaving their church or not following their parents' interpretation of their religion in France.
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>>85879531
Does rape seem compatible with western doctrine? Killing your wife for having an affair? Killing a man so you can steal his money?
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>>85879532
And suddenly they will stop being backwards if you let them have everything they ask for. Tolerance is magic that way.
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>>85879536
>>You're arguing that we shouldn't indulge oppression.
>Actually, you are. You are the one saying these people should be allowed to wear burkas specifically because they would be killed if they weren't allowed to.
I see. I apologise, I didn't know you were illiterate. Warn me about it so I don't waste my time.
YOU FUCKING MORON.
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>>85879546
No but modern Islam is completely fine with what I just stated. What you describe is crime and murder, things that are looked down upon in the modern western world.
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>>85879463
Clueless fuck, France did the same thing with its regional cultures, the literal only reason France has stayed one country is because it normalized culure amongst diverse groups. Thanks to that there is more homogenity between regions and races than in most countries (notably the US) because they actually share a culture rather than going full "celebrate differences".
France was less tolerant of French regional traditions that they are now of Mulsim ones.
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>>85879532
Interesting that the Muslim women themselves hate that the ban now makes them targets of native French harassment.

>"My quality of life has seriously deteriorated since the ban. In my head, I have to prepare for war every time I step outside, prepare to come up against people who want to put a bullet in my head. The politicians claimed they were liberating us; what they've done is to exclude us from the social sphere. Before this law, I never asked myself whether I'd be able to make it to a cafe or collect documents from a town hall.

And I fucking believe them. I wore one of those male arab headgears using a wet towel to keep cool when I pushed carts at a grocer. At the fourth day of doing this some young fucker with his girlfriend started yelling "what the fuck you looking at?!" toward me. I was pretty lucky that after giving him a "what's your fucking problem?!" he backed off, but after that I stuck with shitty baseball caps to not have racists try and pick fights over stupid headgear.
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>>85879567
How are they looked down upon if they continue to happen, day after day after day?

My point is that the majority of western Muslims don't consider throwing acid something completely fine, nor those other things you mentioned. That you're full of shit, in other words.
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>>85879521
>except the most publicly visual way to identify someone as a Muslim
>one of the main ways to identify as a Muslim.
Again, you're a clueless retard.
Not all headscarves are banned, and only a teeny-tiny minority of muslims even use the burka.

fyi you're also forbidden to wear a cross in French schools and other public services.

>How long until praying in public is also seen as something that should be banned because it "harms the community" of nihilistic Last Men Frenchies?
Probably as long as it takes you to make an argument without fallacies.
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>>85879579
Well golly gee, guess I better fucking convert to American Protestantism, bleach my skin and talk like the dad from Leave it Beaver. Because this is America and apparently the right way to run a country is to turn everyone into the same cookie cutter mold. This case being a fucking WASP wannabe.

Maybe then, there will be peace and my white masters can live more comfortably.
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>>85879590
The majority of Muslims you have never met and are using dead reckoning based on that. I'm not saying all Muslims belive in this but the culture of a very insular group is going to lead to conflict.
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>>85879560
You basically argued you should allow women to wear burkas because they get killed otherwise.
>>85879094
>Let's ban religious scarves, cause then they won't kill the women who aren't wearing them cause in this one case they will behave logically and say "Well, the law forbids her to wear it so it's OK."
Keep your bullshit straight.
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>>85879645
1. I'm talking about western Muslims.
2. You're the one who's describing Muslims as a group based on a minority. You can say all you like that you're "not saying all muslims believe this" but you were clearly implying that by constantly repeating the same refrains - acid & stoning.
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>>85879650
You said I was arguing that we shouldn't indulge oppression. And then you described me arguing that we SHOULD indulge oppression.

Of course, that's just plain dumb, cause what I said was that we indulge oppression all the time, and the only difference here is that it's Muslims. That's the point of my "banning christianity2 example.
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>>85867294
It's defending freedom of religion you cunt
If some islamic whackjob proposed sharia law I would be up in arms about that too
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>muhrrica
Who gives a shit we're talking about France, where you color of skin and culture doesn't matter as long as you eat baguette and camembert. And yes, that also applies to Muslims, since 99.9% of them are not concerned in any way by the burka ban.
But cool, get back to your cultural race war.

Or just admit that you're just pontificating from your Ivory Tower already, it's obvious to everyone.
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>>85879712
>France, where you color of skin and culture doesn't matter as long as you eat baguette and camembert

>French actually believe this
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>>85879693
>You said I was arguing that we shouldn't indulge oppression.
Oh, my mistake, missed a negative there, I meant you were indulging oppression.

> the only difference here is that it's Muslims
No the only difference here is that it literally causes deaths to indulge it and you indulge it under threat. And there are plent yof examples where oppression isn't indulged in other situations.
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>People actually thought that banning a fucking clothing type would suddenly help one of the most fucking hardcore conservative groups of people in the world assimilate better into Western Europe
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>>85879683
A minority has the ability to dictate what the majority silently go with. What westernized Muslims think doesn't matter to those that considers them traitors.

>>85879709
Would you? It's frankly rather oppressive you won't let them determine thier own laws
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>>85879727
It's a matter of drawing a line, you could argue that it is too restrictive or not enough but a line over complete body and face covering is somewhat reasonable.
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>>85879722
Shut up, Burger, you're just a twitter warrior who's never been out of his own country.
Stop talking about things you're clueless about just because it suits your narrative.
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>>85879725
>it literally causes deaths to indulge it

And this law will change that how? Some psycho won't throw acid on a girl's face cause of it?
We both know that this law wasn't made with the welfare of women in mind, it was a populist move to suck up to the electorate that hates Muslims.
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>>85879747
I'm not american you frenchtard. Thinking that your country is above racism is typical of the most racist countries.
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>>85879740
What's the fucking point, the fuckers will never fucking try and just settle down with Western European laws, the fuckers flooding in thanks to the "refugee crisis" have admitted many fucking times that they want to spread Sharia Law and Islam throughout the world
Draw as many fucking lines as you want, they are still gonna focus on taking over the population and changing the country to be how they see fit
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>>85879712
>and culture doesn't matter
>Not allowed to show any depiction of your Muslim culture, on threat of social and legal harassment

Enjoy your Statism you fucking tool.
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>>85879769
>It's not statism if it's Sharia
No one in this thread fucking takes you seriously you retarded lolbertarian
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>>85879750
>And this law will change that how? Some psycho won't throw acid on a girl's face cause of it?
Precisely no, so you're against this law because of the threat of some psychos hurting women.

>We both know that this law wasn't made with the welfare of women in mind
And neither is your opposition to it.
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>>85879750
Here's a hint, if someone doesn't like living in a western society they can fuck off back to their shithole.
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if western culture is endangered by a fucking scarf then it doesn't really deserve to survive
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>>85879791
Again with the paranoia about Sharia law, when I've already stated that I do not support establishing separate legal laws for Muslims.

I guess you're just running out of ways to defend your shit-tier discriminatory government huh?
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>>85879757
It's not entirealy above racism but it's certainly not in the cultural race war narrative you're dragging it down to.
It's kind of depressing that you aren't American, I didn't think other people were that entrenched into identity politics.
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>>85879804
>Precisely no, so you're against this law because of the threat of some psychos hurting women.
I'm against this law because it forbids a harmless religious practice. Yes, harmless. The fact there are sickos who think they should throw acid into girls' faces doesn't make the custom itself that harmful. I don't support it, but banning it is ridiculous.

>>85879805
>Here's a hint, if someone doesn't like living in a western society they can fuck off back to their shithole.
Here's a hint: they like living in western society, but western society seems to take a dump on its own values whenever it comes to a different race or religion.
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>>85879769
>>Not allowed to show any depiction of your Muslim culture
But that's wrong you retad.
I've told you like 5 times already that that's not accurate.

Oh boy, the lbertarian kiddies are in.
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>>85879808
It's westerners themselves destroying their own culture by saying individual freedoms as simple as the clothing you wear can be crushed by the state if you don't fit the accepted mold approved by the government.
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>>85879821
I'm entrenched into identity politics because I think your ridiculous fantasy Frenchtopia isn't real?
Who are you kidding here? Employers throw CVs with Muslim sounding names into the trash before reading them. Or even ones with an address from a ghetto.
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>>85879838
oh god, I didn't mean to summon you misesman, go away
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>>85879817
So either there is an impetus to have women cover up in which the government is complicit in oppression or everyone is held to the same standard. Hmm. This is a thinker.
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>>85879833
>Yes, harmless.
No not harmless, sorry. I'll consider it harmless when it's demonstrably a choice for the women rather than something they're forced to do under the threat of death.
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>>85879874
That's a completely ridiculous standard because there is no way we can definitively prove that any of our actions is demonstrably a choice to someone else. If someone sees me taking out the garbage, how can I demonstrably prove that it's my choice instead of something I'm forced to do?
Do you expect people to wear placards that say "It's my choice"? Or do you expect peple to constantly ask women in burkas "Is it your choice to wear that?"

Think about it, it's mental.
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>>85879833
So they like living in western society but would riot if they don't get to live exactly the way they lived in thier native country?

How about they move back and make thier country great with all these ideas?
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>>85879850
>I'm entrenched into identity politics because I think your ridiculous fantasy Frenchtopia isn't real?
No, because you make an argument about preserving the safety of people that only impacts 0.1% of Muslims about "muh oppressed minorities literally never get anything" when those minorities are demonstrably well accepted.

>Employers throw CVs with Muslim sounding names into the trash before reading them. Or even ones with an address from a ghetto.
I wonder how all the mulsims I know find work.
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>>85879895
>So they like living in western society but would riot if they don't get to live exactly the way they lived in thier native country?

No, they'd probably riot if you disrespected their democratic rights of freedom of religion. But all that democracy stuff isn't for the beastly Moslem anyway, isn't it.
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>>85879863
You can reject Sharia or any religious laws without being a statist shill and just nod approvingly when the government promotes obviously discriminatory laws.

By your fucking government worshiping way of viewing things, the Civil Rights movement in the USA should never have happened because its the citizens duty to always accept what the government does no matter how bigoted it is.
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>>85879892
How about when they stopped getting killed and attacked for making the "wrong" choice? That would show there's no threat.

>Or do you expect peple to constantly ask women in burkas "Is it your choice to wear that?"
Apparently that does happen a lot and is pretty uncomfortable.
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>>85879945
>How about when they stopped getting killed and attacked for making the "wrong" choice? That would show there's no threat.

No it wouldn't. You said demonstrably. That means that you would need to know for each and every scarf-wearing Muslim woman if she's coerced. Words have meanings.
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>>85879957
Okay before we go further, are you talking about the burka or hajib? Because what people are talking about is someone in full covering, not a head scarf.
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>>85879957
I don't think you know what "demonstrably" means. Well I'm not surprised, you seem to not know what "democracy" means either.
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A lot of talk to defend the 1% of Muslim population that lives in the west, whilst ignoring how the Islamic majority countries operate in regards to Apostates, Homosexuals, non-believers or women. Of course to point out how mass immigration from Saudi Arabia or Iran or Qutar could possibly pose a culture clash is racist in our brave new world.
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>>85879995
Not him, but it's not like the Hijab is in any better light. Public schools banned it along with most other religious iconography, literally for the sake of creating a more godless secular environment.
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>>85879995
whichever
>>85880001
"clearly apparent or capable of being logically proved"
How can the coercion or non-coercion of a burka-wearing woman be clearly apparent? It can't.
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>>85880011
>whilst ignoring how the Islamic majority countries operate in regards to Apostates, Homosexuals, non-believers or women
Should we adopt those practices? Should we adopt Chinese laws for dealing with people of Chinese heritage, and Japanese laws for dealing with people of Japanese heritage and so on and on and on?
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>>85880011
>I'll just change the topic, no one will suspect I'm losing this argument!

How about just admitting your government encourages discriminating minorities Pierre?
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>>85880015
You play the secular game you need equality. No crosses and no headscarves, also most schools ban any headwear inside.
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>>85880015
But that's on equal footing with crosses and kipas and whatnot.

>>85880019
>How can the coercion or non-coercion of a burka-wearing woman be clearly apparent? It can't.
When women who choose to stop wearing it don't get attacked. If there's no apparent threat then there's no apparent coercion.
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>>85880027
No we shouldn't.

That's my point, we have for so long bought our own hype about the melting pot, we haven't thought that just because it is a melting pot, doesn't mean you can throw any old ingredient into it.

Not all cultures are compatible and you can apply taste and standards to culture, no matter what Post-Modernists claim.
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>>85880056
>When women who choose to stop wearing it don't get attacked. If there's no apparent threat then there's no apparent coercion.
You can't prove whether woman A is coerced by observing woman B. What the fuck?
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>>85880032
He's not Pierre, I'm Pierre.
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>>85880032
I'm not that guy and I don't support the ban stop projecting.

You haven't addressed MY point which is mass immigration from violent cultures can introduce violence.
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>>85880063
>No we shouldn't.
>That's my point
No it's not. Your point is that Muslims in the Middle East do these horrible things, so Muslims in the West should...what? Keep their mouth shut when you discriminate against them?
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>>85880067
Do you even science?
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>>85880077
>mass immigration from violent cultures can introduce violence
Better cancel American visas.
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>>85880090
What science? Husband A coerces woman A to wear a burka. Woman B walks around with no burka and doesn't get her face smashed in. Conclusion: Woman A wasn't coerced. Fucking brilliant.
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when will this thread FUCKING DIE
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>>85880067
>>85880090
To make it clear
>woman A decides to stop wearing a burka
>her husband kills her
There's definitely an uspoken threat for woman B to keep wearing her burka.

If there's no murder of woman A, then there's no apparent threat on woman B.
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>>85880087
They should nod their head when we say we are banning immigration from problem nations. They should not scream islamophobia at the first sign of criticism, a term coined in the 90's by a British man who has since disowned it. They should be marching in their cities decrying the barbaric practices that happen in Islamic majority nations.

They should be having their long overdue reformation, but apologists like you will continue giving them excuses.
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>>85880123
They should not have the right to free speech, they should not have religious freedom. finally some honesty.
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>>85880097
Not answering my point, when was the last state funded execution of a homosexual couple in the US?
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>>85880135
How is imploring Western Muslims to fight for liberalism back in the Middle East stripping them of free speech?
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>>85880121
Demonstrably.

I'm nitpicking here, but it's not DEMONSTRABLE because a case like the one I described can happen. Or a case where a woman isn't coerced but another one gets acid in her face and now we can conclude that the first woman was coerced even when she wasn't. It's ridiculous.
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>>85880111
I guess I should have phrased it "when there's no demonstrable coercion" rather than "when there's demonstrably no coercion".
As is there is demonstrable coercion.
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>>85880151
Deciding what someone should or shouldn't say is literally depriving him of free speech. Let me remind you:
>They should nod their head when we say
>They should not scream islamophobia

Besides, why would they march in Brussels or Paris because of something that happens in the Middle East, something they have no connection to?
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I'm tired as fuck and going to sleep.
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>>85880153
>because a case like the one I described can happen
It can happen once literally no woman gets attacked because of that. Until then this is a moot point.
>Or a case where a woman isn't coerced but another one gets acid in her face and now we can conclude that the first woman was coerced even when she wasn't.
But.. that doesn't make sense anon.
Read my post again. >>85880121
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>>85880169
They have connection to it because mass immigration from these countries with barbaric practices poses a threat to everyone. They'll get roped in with the different values of the people under their banner that do not assimilate or share the West. But the current trend in not just the Western Muslim but the whole Western World is to ignore the problem and say everything is fine.

Why is there no funding or constant public outcry for the people opposed in Islamic Fundamentalist counties?
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>>85880169
>Besides, why would they march in Brussels or Paris because of something that happens in the Middle East, something they have no connection to?
Why don't you ask them?
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>>85880182
I don't know who you are and but night.
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>>85880190
So the only way for there to be no coercion is if nobody ever again gets hurt because of not wearing a burka. It's an impossible standard.
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>>85880200
So what will placate the scared white nu-males? Does every single death by Islamic terrorist need a "Not all Muslims" parade before you fucks will accept the middle class Muslim family with westernized children aren't out to kill you?
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>>85880212
It's France putting a band-aid on a much darker problem, it's retarded unless you put it in the grand scope of it currently going under a identity crisis. By 2050 the idea of what it is to be French will be very different and this rightfully scares people.
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>>85880199
This is a standard literally noone else is held to.
You're saying that unless they make protests against the practices of Middle Easterners they can't be afforded the rights that they're supposed to have.
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>>85880237
Their religion and the justification for the violence and oppression not just done by fringe terrorist cells, but the governments of the richest and most populated countries in the world.

Yes. They have some responsibility. There should be a rush to arms whenever a homosexual is arrested in Saudi Arabia for religious justification. Instead they are silent and poor fingers when scrutiny goes their way.

For the record half of British Muslims think honosexuality should be outlawed.
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Just making things clear if it hasn't been said before, but it wasn't a law. Just several mayors making "arrêtés" (administrative acts) on their own.
They were overturned because they were not legal.
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>>85866410
Since the Onion is a pro-Hillary shill mag now and owned by a member of her campaign, what Kelly is basically saying here, as a satirical political cartoonist, is that rampant fundamentalist Islam and its oppression of women is not, in fact, a real thread, and anyone concerned about it is just a sexist goof.

I just can't read this garbage anymore, even when it's trying to be "funny".
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>>85880212
When's the last time someone got hurt (by their own family) for not wearing a cross?
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>>85880231
What the fuck are you even talking about.
I have muslim friends, I'm entirely conscious muslims aren't out to get me, that doesn't mean there aren't fucked up muslims causing issues explicitely because of their religion.
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I'm still not sure if this is satire or not.....
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>>85880734
Kelly is never wrong
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>>85879493
t.clueless retard from /co/

you do realize that /co/'s political opinion is worth even less than fucking /pol/ right?
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>France bans face coverings and burkinis under punishment of small fine and being asked to leave the beach
>Outrage
>Middle East enforce face covering under punishment of death by stoning
>"We have to respect their culture"
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