suicide squad

I don't give a fuck about WBs bottomline. It wasn't good.

>>85820812
but it was

Deadpool > Squad > CW >BvS

>>85820765
that movie was dumb but it was a lot of fun. saw it with my little brother and I would totally watch it again. the villain at the end was trash tho

>>85820861

That's actually fucking perfect.

>>85820861
It wasn't.

>>85821333
It was.

>>85820765
David Ayer said Suicide Squad's budget was higher than 250 million, AKA, the development was more expensive than BvS'
BvS made 870 million, and it made WB get entirely restructured.

>>85820861
It was absolutely boring, you can see which scenes where reshot, and how the movie originally barely had any humor.
It's just a forgettable movie in general where nothing interesting happens.

>>85820861
I can't believe you fags think the movie with the worst aspects of both DCEU and MCU flicks is somehow better than anything. It was objectively a garbage film with execs' slimy fingerprints in it's every orifice and no amount of money made back by the hot topic meme loving Harley x Joker <3 <3 <3 XDDD crowd will ever change that.

Make like a DCEU civilian and die in rubble.

>>85821827
no he didn't

>>85821871
>Make like a DCEU civilian

didn't the MCU blow up an entire country and then claim that like 1000 people died?

Those movies are made for literal retards, anon

>>85821871
This.
BvS was much better than SS.

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Well, /co/, has there ever been a movie as hyped and marketed as SS?

Remember how when this movie came out everybody said it wasn't going to have a big opening? Then after it did, everybody said it would have a drop and nobody would ever see it and it wouldn't make money?

Now it's been the #1 movie in the country for four weeks straight and everybody is just licking their wounds and trying to meme accountant their butthurt away.

>>85821985
hahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaa no

>>85822106
No, the opposite.
DC movies have big ass openings and then have no legs to stand on.
587 million for Suicide Squad?
The movie that every normie was crazy for?
Barely beating fucking Ant-Man?
That's not good at all.

>>85822106
Marvel has conditioned audiences to eat up capeshit no matter how bad it is. DCucks should be thanking them.

>>85820812
Whether you liked it or not isn't the issue here though. People have been pushing the narrative that it flopped when it didn't.
Then you have completely delusional shit like this post :
>>85821827

It's like when things don't turn out how people wanted they make up their own fanfiction

>>85822146
>having a shit opinion

>>85822262
They don't flop, but they are heavy underperformers.

Problem is DC movies are great until they come out.

They are MGSV over and over.

>>85821962
Yes, for retards and not us INTELLECTUALS who love ham fisted biblical imagery, regular slow-mo shots, even shittier writing, terrible casting, and an at best loose understanding of the characters they suppose to portray.

MCU may pander to low brow normies, but the DCEU is being managed by literal retards both on set and in suits. It's like comparing a Nick Jr. show to a YouTube vid made by an 8 year old.

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>>85822183
>>85822224
>trying this hard

>>85821864
>It's just a forgettable movie in general where nothing interesting happens.

Funny as there have been constant threads about SS since it opened with people either complaining about what they did not like or talking about what they did. If it were so "forgettable" we wouldn't be constantly having threads about it.

>>85822314
>They don't flop, but they are heavy underperformers.

It didn't flop and it didn't under perform either. Deal with it.

>>85822365
Of course because this is a comic board with people who spend years and years looking forward to these movies, they are going to be more passionate about it, but what I saw on the screen was just boring, even Joker dissapointed me because the memes already made me ready for Shadow the Hedgehog-tier edgy Joker, and in the end he didn't do too much.

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>>85820812
>>85821333
>>85821864
>>85821871
>>85822183
>>85822324

fuck, i love reading asshurt mouseketeers. Makes my day.

>>85822425
It's still a shit film, deal with it.

>>85822425
>it didn't underperform
>all the hype, all the marketing
>barely beating Ant-Man

Mediocre box office for a mediocre capeshit movie.

>>85821440
Oh please. Suicide Squad practically fails on premise alone. Why organize a team of unstable people for the sake of having people with superpowers if no one on the team has powers that are particularly worthwhile besides Enchantress (and MAYBE Diablo)? This sort of thing works in comic books but with the world an the tone they set up questions are bound to be raised as to why ANYONE was even there and the movie didn't have much for answers except for Harley Quinn's ridiculous unexplainable hypercompetence. Also it sucked at juggling the cast and even the two that it did focus on had shit character arcs. "This morning we were just a bunch of murderous psychopaths but now, 8 hours later, we're family." Fucking really? And then there was the "heart" of the story which made me wonder why I should give a shit about either of them.
Honestly, it was a pretty entertaining movie that manages to fail on nearly every level. I don't know why anyone would bother watching it again. Without the support of novelty its just not good.

>>85822439
The worst part was probably how much emphasis they put in
>REMEMBER THAT WE ARE THE BAD GUYS

And in the end it was just another superhero movie about beating the big bad.

What I still don't understand is why that 6000 year old god died to a breach charge.

>>85822440
Here you are still defending this garbage. You have my pity anon.

>>85822439
Yeah but what was the last Civil War thread here? I can't remember.

Also Joker was in like 15 minutes of the movie with most of his shit cut and he isn't any more "edgy" than any other version of the Joker. In fact it was well established that he did a bunch of shit comic Joker had done in past stories like Killing Jason Todd for example so i guess that the Joker is just an "edgy" character in general

>>85822532
whats it like to sit on stan lees lap?

>>85822183
Ant-Man
>Budget: $130 Million
>Domestic Gross: $180

Are you living in a fantasy world?


>and then have no legs to stand on.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2016/08/25/box-office-suicide-squad-is-now-leggier-than-batman-v-superman/#166d5ce3178f
>But here’s the rub: there is a good chance that Suicide Squad will be almost as leggy as Captain America: Civil War, which earned $407.7 million from a $179m debut. That 2.275x multiplier for Civil War is noteworthy in that it was the least leggy MCU movie thus far.

>Suicide Squad will be almost as leggy as Captain America: Civil War

>>85822324
Jesus man, I've never seen someone be more wrong.


You know, BvS was a deconstruction of The Dark Knight Returns. And I've had a lot of conversations with friends about that. Not about the biblical imagery (btw Lex literally compares him to Apollo, and the only jesus scene in BvS is his death, so its really just sun god comparisons but okay).


BvS gives me something to chew on, it stayed with me. The Marvel movies didn't. You can enjoy them all you want, but stop being butthurt about other people preferring other movies.

>>85822532
If the movie was so "garbage" and "forgettable" why do you people keep posting in threads about it? I'll tell you why, you're asspained console warriors mad because a film not part of your precious Disney corp's catalogue actually did well.

>>85822647
Why are you trying so hard to push this thread into console wars?
You are the only ones mentioning Marvel movies.

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>>85822324
>Yes, for retards and not us INTELLECTUALS who love ham fisted biblical imagery
>and an at best loose understanding of the characters they suppose to portray.

You didn't watch SS.


We should settle our differences the Marvel way.

>>85822542
>the Joker is just an "edgy" character in general

Ding ding ding!

btw Batman is edgy too

>>85822627
>BvS gives me something to chew on
No, it's a dumb superhero movie about magic guys beating monsters, there's nothing to chew on.

They will never be deep, they will never deliver any message, they will never be anything than cash-grabs.

>>85822542
People online talk about The Room and Sharnado more than they do with Citizen Kane or Space Odyssey, so what's your point?

Nice cars get looks but everyone stops to see an accident.

>>85822483
>Why organize a team of unstable people for the sake of having people with superpowers if no one on the team has powers

Amanda Waller says that they're assembling a team of specialists, not just metas. She literally says as much when she introduces Boomerang.

>except for Harley Quinn's ridiculous unexplainable hypercompetence.

Oh look, another triggernigger that didn't watch the movie pissed off that a character is popular

>>85822542
>Yeah but what was the last Civil War thread here? I can't remember.

I don't know, what does it have to do with this?

>Also Joker was in like 15 minutes of the movie with most of his shit cut and he isn't any more "edgy" than any other version of the Joker. In fact it was well established that he did a bunch of shit comic Joker had done in past stories like Killing Jason Todd for example so i guess that the Joker is just an "edgy" character in general
He's an edgy character, but in another way.

This Joker tried pandering to the ''lolsuchanerdxD'' audience, and it ended up being nothing but fluff.

That's what SS is, it's just so weak and dull.

>>85820765
Hollywood math.
Plus apparently they wasted like half the Nation's budget on reshoots or some shit which is why they need to make a billion dollars.

>>85822759
Lol, why so mad?

Its literally a deconstruction of The Dark Knight. Batman is the reactionary stooge, protecting the status quo while not trusting Superman's motives. And ultimately Superman sacrifices himself so that Batman is redeemed.


In The Dark Knight, Superman is the reactionary, protecting the status quo, while not trusting Batman's motives. And then Batman dies (and also comes back later, just like Superman will) so that Superman can be redeemed.

>>85822584
What's it like to choke on Snyder's cock?

Civil War is a forgettable movie

>>85822830
No, that would imply dumb superhero movies can deconstruct anything, which they can't because they have simple plots for kids, AKA their audience.
Even the title ''BATMAN VS SUPERMAN'' is so goddamn childish.

>>85822784
You know Space Odyssey AND Citizen were critically panned when they came out?


Also I see plenty of people talking about them online, try going to better websites.

>>85822862
shows how much you payed attention, it was Batman V Superman.


Also thats not even an argument, I literally told you how its a deconstruction and you are just like NOPE

Eh, I'm done with this. You are just gunna keep doubling down. You win this internet argument :^)

>>85822542
The fact that people discuss SS in here is proof of how bad the movie is.

/co/ always prides itself on having shit taste on anything related to superhero crap.
Legitimately surprised people here don't like neo-Marvel's comics considering the stuff I see here constantly.

>>85822667
How long have you been here? DCEUfags always push console war shit because it detracts from any discussion with valid criticism. You cant even tell whats delusion or shitposting anymore. Im not saying SS flopped, but it did ok with ZERO competition. And theres no reason why BvS shouldnt have printed money, thats how much of a fuckup this entire thing is. I want good DC movies, but the foundation theyre built on is fucked

>>85822675
Sorry, not a fan of GotG or most Marvel films. How about I say my mother's name it hope it's the same as yours instead? That wraps up conflict amazingly well.

>>85822907
It's not because it's a fact that horrible superhero movie attempts to do nothing.
It's a dumb superhero movie building up sequels with the end of making mo9ney.

It wasn't a flopped, but Wonder Woman certainly will.
I mean, BvS and SS got underwhelming box offices with literally no competition, and WW is going against 2 movies of franchises that have broken the 1 billion barrier more than once.

>>85822594
http://www.cinemablend.com/new/4-Big-Reasons-Ant-Man-Should-Considered-Success-72685.html

>After the opening weekend box office numbers came in for Marvel’s latest superhero flick, Ant-Man, it seemed like the massive franchise had taken a hit. The tiny superhero brought in a tiny number compared to its Avenger friends. But, despite a low box office showing, the movie still took number one seat over the weekend. When comparing Paul Rudd’s Ant-Man to other players in the MCU, he may seem like a huge flop at first glance. But, in reality, the film was actually a great success for the world’s mightiest franchise, and there are four big reasons why.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2015/07/20/ant-man-is-no-more-a-flop-than-was-the-wolverine/#15a3c94834af
>Consider this a preemptive defense, just in case the meme takes hold that Ant-Man is somehow a failure for Marvel and a sign of long-term peril and despair. It’s not. Yes, it’s easy to look at Ant-Man‘s $58 million weekend and see cracks in the armor. The film survived a troubled production and weathered indifferent buzz and ended up with the second lowest debut in Marvel history (behind The Incredible Hulk‘s $55m bow back in 2008), and the lowest when adjusted for inflation and the like.

>>85822667
Because it is console wars. I see the same kind of delusion, and salt as i see whenever a console one faction doesn't like does well, or a game flops on a not well liked console and one fanbase celebrates it.

Like when rotten tomatoes came out and all the Chris Evans laughing gifs. Then when the movie didn't flop as people wanted the damage controlling , meme accounting and constant thread telling us all that SS was the worst thing ever started.

Actually it's not just console warriors. I see a lot of salt about this movie from Critics over people not listening to them and going to see it anyway and SJW's buttblasted that Ghostbusters flopped and this didn't, Ghostbusters wont see a sequel and this movie will.

>>85822805
>Amanda Waller says that they're assembling a team of specialists, not just metas. She literally says as much when she introduces Boomerang.
Not even the point. Most of those "specialists" are feasibly rendered useless by and military special forces team and even if they are really really good why even risk it? They're not supposed to be traced back to being used for shady US operations? Then find third parties. Wipe identities. They weren't even used for a mission that particularly needed them. Just send some soldiers. Which they did. The premise and the plotline were an ill fit here.

>Oh look, another triggernigger that didn't watch the movie pissed off that a character is popular
??? I don't know what you're accusing me of. Of course Harley is in the movie cause she's popular but that brings pretty much the same problems as what I just explained.

>>85823079
Nah, the DCEU's days are counted.

>>85823020
>Pirates of the Caribbean sequel
>Bad Boys 3
>Kingsman 2
>Cars 3
>No confirmed WW rogues (Ares rumored, but no confirmation)
>WB likely to edit it to hell and back
Yeah its fucked. Which is a real bummer because you just know Marvel is going to make Captain Marvel and people will adore it.

>>85823213
You forget Transformers 5, comes out a week after WW.

>>85822867
To add to that, Movies like The Warriors and A Clockwork Orange were as well. Now they are considered cult classics.Funny how that works.

>>85822784
>People online talk about The Room and Sharnado more than they do with Citizen Kane or Space Odyssey, so what's your point?

No they don't. Also nobody talks about SS like it's Citizen Kane either. Even the people who enjoyed it acknowledge it's a very flawed movie but still manages to be entertaining.

The thing is YOU people are claiming people say that when they are not and that Hyperbole comes from you not being able to except that people enjoyed something that you did not.

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Something that infuriates me about the DCEU is that most of the flaws these movies have are all because of atrocious editing caused by executive meddling, and yet, when the critics shit on them, they put the director and the actors on the line of fire, trying to justify a fuck up some retard in a suit did.

>>85822914
>The fact that people discuss SS in here is proof of how bad the movie is.

Oh so nobody ever talks about MCU movies not because they are largely forgettable, but they are so good that...you still forget the? I'm sorry what point were you making again?

>>85820765
>Suicide Squad has made more than The Winter Soldier

xD

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>>85823110
Great argument

>>85823186
In your delusions i bet they are.

>>85823291
I saw the Ultimate Cut anon. The editing defense can't save you this time.

>>85822867
You literally made that up, Odyssey had a mixed reception at worst due in part to some critics seeing a heavily edited version of the film, while Kane had mostly positive reviews. And by "better sites" you mean cherry picking ones that see far less traffic than the one where people are more active? If Jaws 3 hasn't become a classic by now, then BvS and SS have no chance.

>>85823235
I wouldnt be surprised if WB pushed back the released date. The deck is stacked against it sadly given the time window

The sorceress was kinda weird and boring. You could tell it had undergone some significant reworks. Harley and Joker weren't as cancerous as they could have been.

I liked it more than Thor and Age of Ultron

>>85823358
Oh no, BvS has more issues like the retardation of Martha, which is a nice concept of ''DUDE, SUPERMAN GREW HERE, HE'S A HUMAN TOO'', but the execution was horrible.

Zack Snyder reminds me of Hideo Kojima.
He's a nice ideas guy, but the execution is mostly awkward and sometimes downright bad.

>>85823347
>Domestic gross

>>85823402
I think the perfect analogy is that it's like a socially retarded NEET trying to tell a joke to a bunch of people.

>>85823130
Specialist is used loosely, it means she wants people with "experience". Waller realized whenever mundane forces go up against Metashit one of two things happens, they die or sit patiently with their thumbs squarely up their assholes until a hero fixes it. The villains were the only characters that could actually trade blows with heroes meaning they're slightly better off than regular cops and soldiers, even if all they really did is get punched by Flash. Scrapping together the SKWAD was really all they could do to be proactive, atleast in Waller's fucked up sensibilities.

>>85823446
Any other time you'd be meme accounting to tell us that Worldwide Box Office doesn't count because foreign distributers take a cut, but when your favorite movie gets its shit pushed in then suddenly it does?

lol, ok.

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MCU Threads
>Ranging from Thor 2 "who cares" shit to "hey that was kind of fun"
>Memes
>Normal bitching about source material
>Move on after a month, cycle repeats when new movie comes out
DCEU Threads
>Rampant shitposting
>M-Marvel bias!
>You dont read comics
>Minor praise about certain costumes
>Essays
>Never. Moving. On.

>>85823691
So you're saying that Marvel is good because their movies are forgettable and not memorable?

>>85823402

>Oh no, BvS has more issues like the retardation of Martha, which is a nice concept of ''DUDE, SUPERMAN GREW HERE, HE'S A HUMAN TOO'', but the execution was horrible.

But... that is wrong. That scene was about how Batman was turning into Joe Chill.

>>85823691
Marvel fags make more DCEU threads than DC fags do.
>Still have MOS threads years after it was in movies
>Noody talks about Civil War and it just came out.

Not that it's any surprise. Most forget MCU movies as soon as they end.

>>85823771
Bad movies are often more memorable than good ones.

>>85823805
Where exactly are you getting that from?
>>85823840
Not necessarily there's tons of bad movies I've forgotten. I've watched countless SyFy movies can't really remember them apart from there's bad CGI in them.

>>85823905

>Where exactly are you getting that from?

Batman in BvS had lost hope in heroism - the opening scene with Batman narrating about the beautiful lie was about this - and thought that Superman was or would eventually become an even worse version of who he was: a naive guy playing hero while fucking things up for everyone around him that would one day wake up to the reality of it all.

Basically, Batman let cynicism, fear and hatred cloud his heart.

The "Martha" scene was about Batman seeing him own father, Thomas, in Superman's visage and realizing that instead of Superman turning bad, it was himself that had become his worst nightmare: the man who killed his parents.

The whole movie is about Batman becoming a villain and then being redeemed by Superman valor. It's not so much about Superman being a hero, but rather about Superman being a selfless hero.

>>85823814
I literally can't remember a single thing about any of the Iron Man movies or Avengers.

>>85824194

>It's not so much about Superman being a HUMAN

Fix'd.

>>85823805
>Batman turning into Joe Chill
DO PEOPLE REALLY NOT KNOW THE POINT OF JOE CHILL?

>>85820765
Kek if you try to say this on the comicbookcast group in Facebook the admin (most likely fucking Armin, a well known Marlel Cuck) says shit like:
"Well no shit a movie with fucking Joker, Harley Quinn and Batman is going to make money, but its making the money IT SHOULD be able to, so its still a failure, now excuse me while i shove more Marlel dvds up my ass".

>>85824286

Yes, a random act of violence. I'm just saying that Batman realized what he was about to do and how that reminded him of the night his own parents were killed. He was going to kill a guy that was only trying to defend his woman, much like his father that night. Ironically Superman's woman also called Martha. So that unique situation coupled with the name hit him like a brick with the awful realization.

>Movie makes alright money when literally nothing is out to challenge it
>Somehow this justifies the mediocre movie with terrible editing, pacing, plot, and character interactions
It feels like the rules for criticism keep changing with each installment.....

>>85824401
I don't like the context you're putting Clark and Ma in.

>>85824401
I think we all get the MARTHA thing, its just dumb regardless no matter how you spin it. When its all said and done it was a sloppy resolution that brought everything to a screeching halt and we were just supposed to roll with it so they can go save the day.

>>85824530

Well, man. Bruce had no context for the whole Martha deal, right? It was only after Lois showed up that he learned that the Martha Superman spoke about was his mom.

>>85820861
CW>BvS>Suicide Squad>Apocalypse>Deadpool

>>85820765
>Suicide Squad: $175 million

That's the same figure they threw around before the much-publicized reshoots. Those weren't free.

>Domestic Gross after 4 weeks

Three.

It's pretty much done. All movies are after the first month. It'll make about another 5% of what it already has after week 3 is . This entire weekend it will be lucky to make another $10m domestically, on top of which it can expect about the same across the following four days. The next week, $10m total will be about the earnings. If it drops below that, it's underperforming.

>Why are people trying to pretend Suicide Squad wasn't successful?

They're not pretending. It is underperforming - based on the opening weekend it had, it should be on about $375m domestically by now if it were slap-bang in the middle of its range. Instead it's languishing right down at the bottom of estimates. The top end is unreachable - that would be more like $450m - and so compared to other movies with similar opening weekends, it is below the median. Way below. Not as badly as BvS, which was actually out of the low range completely for its entire run, but pretty bad.

This is bad because even though it makes money, it troubles the studio that it's not making *as much* money as predictions say it should. It falls off hard after the opener - they'll want to correct that for the sequel, which means dopes in suits all over the place. Plus I'm pretty sure Leto is gonna walk when they ask him back, because I don't know that he needs the money and he sounds pretty pissed off. So they better hope they don't need his character.

The domestic is also far less important than you'd think. Read a financial section sometime, none of the multinationals give two shits about borders any more. Haven't had to in decades.

>>85824580

Well, the whole movie Batman was struggling with living up or failing to live up to the legacy of his father. This related a lot with him not being able to save his own mom. Throughout the whole movie Batman seemed fixated on rescuing females, outside of Wallace Keefer, the wheelchair guy.

So something like that would work on Batman.

>>85822594
they spent $130 million on a fucking ant man movie starring paul rudd? they could have gotten tom cruise for that price and saved on the shrinking fx

>>85824815
Such a cheap joke but you got me.

>>85824735
Tell me more, meme accountant.

I remember when you all said it wouldn't make any money its first weekend and it wrecked the shit out of Guardians. It's been the #1 movie in the entire country for 3 weeks straight, so if it somehow made more money than every other movie, yet still underperformed, there are some severe problems with Hollywood as a whole.

If it somehow needed to make six times its budget, then their accountants are insane.

>>85824815
ayyyyyyy

>>85823644
Why are you make random assumptions about people on the internet anon?

>>85820765
THIS CAN'T BE HAPPENING

GHOSTBUSTERS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THE SUCCESSFUL ONE

THIS IS TOO PROBLEMATIC TO BE REAL

>>85822483
lol

Look at this nerd writing essays about why a movie is bad.

Newsflash: if you have to write a whole thesis to prove that a movie is bad, it probably isn't.

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>>85825737
Please don't patronize people with bait this bad

I'm ok with DC fans having to go "but it made money!" as a defense

yeah, don't change anything you're doing WB!

>>85825737
Someone's mad

>>85825684
ghostbusters is especially hilarious to me

even leaving out the casting and marketing, sony couldn't make SPIDER-MAN, the most relatable super hero of all, into a profitable franchise but they spent 150 mil on a fucking ghostbusters movie?

>>85825935
>Spiderman
>relatable
>good at all

xD

>>85825849
Then why are Age of Ultron, the Thors, and Iron Mans completely unsearchable?

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>>85820765
Because WB straight up said they need at least 700 million to consider this successful

Do you not get that WB is scared shitless of how mainstream audiences are perceiving their DC movies? A movie with Batman, Superman and WW for the first time ever should have easily cleared a billion. Instead they got three strikes in a row. Do you seriously think they're happy?

Honestly if WW flops, and its honestly amazing that anyone has hype for it given that Gadot is a blackhole of talent, I'd imagine the whole line is getting rebooted after Justice League comes out.

>>85826307
New reports are saying that it actually needs 600 Gorillion dollarydoos just to break even.

>>85826384
more like 185789 bajillion

It was successful but that doesn't mean it's good.

>>85827729
But it is.

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>>85820765
>suicide squad

2 stuntmen dead
5 will cripples.

yeay..

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How much money will a DCEU film have to make at the box office before DCfriends stop overcompensating with non-stop Defense Force action?

Just cause someone called your momma fat, it don't mean you gotta go on an hour long defense of her figure, and crack out her medical paperwork. Not everyone thinks your fat momma is pretty.

>>85827907
Seriously?

>>85822675

I thought GotG used appropriate source material for a kids movie and made a good kids movie in the process. They could have made a movie which fit together better to appeal to adults, but for kids none of the flaws really matter.

I thought SS was a pretty bad kids movie.

The source material doesn't fit going for sappy shit. These are people the audience should laugh at when they die horribly, not fucking anti-heroes.

>>85828425
>comic books are for kids

Alan Moore, please.

>>85827907
Jesus Christ. How fucking awful would it be to die or be crippled for something like Suicide Squad.

>>85820812
It was OK 6.5/10

>>85820765

In journalism circles it's because they are trying to basically establish themselves as having their beat on the finger of the zeitgeist, but they lack the actual credentials and talent to be able to do so.

Go read some of the reviews of movies that just came out and compare them to fifteen or ten years ago. Hell even five. They are more blog posts about their worldview, rather than the objective analysis of a film.

Ghostbusters; Rave reviews. Audiences found it to be meh, boring but tolerable.

Suicide Sqaud. Reviews like they were forced to watch the room. Audiences found it to be okay, entertaining yet stupid.

Seriously compare the rotten tomatoes score with the IMDb score and it's obvious that reviewers don't represent the standard public anymore.

so long as this movie performed well over ghostbusters i consider this a hit

Holy shit. Do the DC fans in this thread not understand box office math?

>>85821962
>didn't the MCU blow up an entire country and then claim that like 1000 people died?

The death figures in CW were all kinds of fucked up.

>>85829168
>Do the DC fans in this thread not understand box office math?

I do. You add up random numbers until you can call whatever movie you don't like a flop.

I genuinely want to see how you can call a movie that makes $259 million on a $170 million budget or a movie that makes $180 million on a $130 million budget amazing successes but a movie that makes $275 on a $175 million budget the biggest failure of all time.

>>85829304
Easy. It used over 40 trillion dollars in marketing. Don't forget to add the interest, goy!

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>suicide squad is mediocre
>killing joke is fucking dogshit and cheaply animated on top of that

I wonder what it'll take for WB to take a step back and unfuck themselves.

>>85829304
>>85829329
I hope you are both happy together.

In real life? Disney keeps chugging along. WB is panicking. Must be the media.

>>85829329

I love how basic idea like "The reported budget of a major Hollywood film is smaller then the actual budget because of tax reasons" or "Marketing budgets are almost as big as the actual budgets and need to be factored into the discussion" are now dank memes and not things people with BASIC FUCKING UNDERSTANDING of how Hollywood works. People have been talking about these things for the past decade-plus.

What's the next thing the Internet is going to 1984 itself into pretending was never true? It's amazing the ideas fanboys tell themselves at night, they literally try and warp reality in order to justify their bullshit.

At least the Suicide Squad news came out of The Hollywood Reporter, even /co/ can't pretend they're not a reputable source.

>>85829304
You're not even counting the worldwide gross.

>>85829304
suicide squad needs 129 trillion just to break even.

this is because of marketing of course

>>85829463
While marketing costs are not often revealed, movies that are pushed as blockbusters spend a lot. The Last Airbender had $130 million in marketing when the movie itself had a budget of $150 million

>>85829463
You're not answering the question.

How did a movie that cost $170 million succeed by making $259 million while a movie that cost $175 million failed by making $275 million?

Or do you think that Marvel doesn't pay for advertising?

And remember, "basic Hollywood math" also dictates that the studio only sees a fraction of the international box office.

>>85823213
Apparently the chick with the plastic mouth is Circe.

>>85829570

Because the budget clearly wasn't 170 million, with how extensive the reshoots were and that THR article's source saying it would need 700 million to break even.

We're never going to know the actual budget of the film.

>>85829570
Much smaller marketing budget.

GotG had a 30 million marketing budget, whereas Hot topic was pushed the on the same level as BvS ,so we're looking at at least 100 million marketing budget.

>>85820765

>Why are people trying to pretend Suicide Squad wasn't successful?

It certainly wasn't a failure, and neither were any of the Marvel films you listed, however none of them were hits, if you want hits, this is what they look like:

Avengers ($623 million domestic, $896 million foreign) on $220 million production budget

Avengers Age of Ultron ($460 million domestic, $948 million foreign) $250 million production budget

Ironman 3 ($410 million domestic, $806 million foreign) on $200 million production budget

Deadpool ($363 million domestic, $419 million foreign) on a $58 (!) million production budget

This is what the studios are doing these insanely expensive productions are desperately hoping for.

Doesn't matter how much money this makes.

What matters is that it's total shit.
The editing is the worst blockbuster editing ever.
The dialogue and "humour" are forced and cringeworthy.
Characters are all paper thin.
No shred of decent acting apart from waller.

Admit it shills. This movie is Catwoman level

>>85829656
Yeah, the whole "cinematic universe" thing is really just brand building to have big tentpole films every couple of years.

We won't know for sure if the DCEU is a failure until Justice League, but you can't really build a good brand by continuously releasing studio-butchered films in theaters that get ripped apart by critics.

>>85829629
>GotG had a 30 million marketing budget, whereas Hot topic was pushed the on the same level as BvS

I'd like some sauce on this

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>>85822647
>stop posting about things you don't like
>half a year later
>no, no, you see, /co/ has totally changed its opinion on this movie only die hard fans could possibly care for for so long. No, people were actually convinced by our superior arguments. It's not like the opposition got tired of repeating the same issues they have about a movie they didn't enjoy for years. No, this was a hidden gem all along. The circlejerk threads are all in agreement now.
Every. Time.

>>85820765
It was successful just not very good

>>85820765
Because the same reason people are trying to convince themselves Ghostbusters wasn't a loss: to justify the continued existence of critics even though they have proven to be out of touch with what movie goers want to see.

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>>85829680

>Admit it shills. This movie is Catwoman level

It was bad, but not THAT bad

>>85828710

I'm not saying comic books are for kids. I'm saying these movies were made for kids. SS failing at it.

DC makes these weird decisions, it takes Superman movies and makes them much darker than they need to be and worse at binding kids to the franchise (for which he's ideal as muh Donner proved).

Then they take Suicide Squad and make it PG-13, have sappy muh daughter shit, camaraderie and turn it into a fucking redemption story for everyone involved.

>>85829730
>http://www.indiewire.com/2014/08/box-office-top-ten-what-marvels-guardians-of-the-galaxy-opening-means-can-get-on-up-cross-over-191300/

>>85820765
I hate all the DCEU films but I gotta admitted SS is successful. B-grade heroes made more than 500 m is good enough.

On the other hand BvS bomb hard. It's clearly a 1.5 billions project.

It's always DC v Marvel (WB v Disney) Why don't we laugh about X-Men failing horribly?

>>85829872

>Indiewire

>>85829907
You do realize that all these company wars still exist only because dc fans get hilariously butthurt over everything, right?

>>85820765
I'm glad it was such a big success. Was it perfect? No but no worse than the average Marvel movie, I really enjoyed it and love the direction it takes the DCEU in.

>>85829944
>your ass

>>85829949

Company wars exist because pathetic people ally themselves with corporations

>>85829973
Yes, but you'll never see mcu fags calling thor 2 a masterpiece, or raimifags calling spiderman 3 a masterpiece, or xfags calling last stand a masterpiece, etc. It's always dcfags.

>>85820765
I always knew it would do well, that doesn't mean that it was good. It was still a 5/10/.

>>85829656

This doesn't take into account for advertising as well, those budgets are just to make the movie itself.

MCU is better, because they've made successful universe of flicks based on sjw-universe, while DCEU still trying to make well-constructed universe with pretentious flicks based on superior universe. It's just total waste of potential. They have matherial to make new TDK everytime (but better, because no need to follow realism) and all we have is marvel-like shit with dark filters and bad dialogs.

>>85830008

MCU fags saying Thor 2 is a good film is bad enough

>>85830008
Lots of normies love every mcu film, no matter how shitty it is. Look at ratings of IM3.

>>85830079

>We will never have a Superman trilogy with the final movie adapting Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow

I don't get it. Superman isn't hard to fuck up. Yeah he's larger than life and makes other heroes look like scrubs 90% of the time but so do his villians. Have the second film be Brainiac showing up in a ship 100x the size of Earth. You don't call Flash or the Avengers for that shit. That's a job for Superman

>>85830084
See? Even now nobody will get mad with your, but you're already mad because even though thor 2 is garbage, all of dceu movies are somehow even worse.

>>85829680
lol no. It's the second best cape movie this year

>>85829838
>DC makes movies

u wot m8

>>85830125

I'm not mad though. I was initially wondering about the X-Men. Fox is fucking up way harder than WB is. The only success they have lately is Deadpool and it's because they had almost nothing to do with it. They just gave Ryan and his friends a few million just so he would stop harassing them.

>>85829907
>X-Men failing horribly

m8 do you really want to go there? Did you miss Deadpool completely?

>>85829949
>DC fans

It's Marvelcucks that get angry about the existence of any other superhero movies. Look at >>85829907.

>>85830125
>all of dceu movies are somehow even worse.

you know for a goddamn fact that isn't true

>>85830171

He was clearly talking about Apocalypse

>>85830200
Apocalypse was better than Civil War

>>85830193
But it is look at the rt scores

>>85830171

>He thinks I'm a Marvelcuck

Holy shit, company Wars have driven you all nuts

>>85830209

And it made less than Suicide Squad. Without China it would have only made 420mil.

>>85830210
>2016
>critics
Seriously, mate? Go and watch Ghostbusters then

>>85830242
Ghostbusters cannot be taken into consideration, there are agendas involved

But yeah, it was on the same level as ss

>>85830264
>there was not an agenda involved in the SS reviews

holy shit you're delusional

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>>85830382
>Hundreds of people from all over the world and on whatever field (from journalism to YouTube) all subscribe to a corrupt agenda
>Because they talk shit about a dumb blockbuster

>>85830264

There are agendas involved with everything

>>85830491

>It's one rule for Ghostbusters and not for anything else

>>85830512
One thing is to say a few idiots praised GB for no reason, and another is to say that *anyone* ever saying anything good about it must be a liar doing it because of agendas and thus professional criticism as a whole must be considered dead because of it

I mean, we have even anti-SJW people like that shoeonhead admitting the movie wasn't the end of the world after all... the average rating on RT is just 6.5, which is just 0.3 points higher than MoS' for example, it was not regarded as high cinema or anything

>>85830497

It's almost like reviews are the personal informed opinions of individual people and not objective markers of quality, and people's opinions are informed by their beliefs and upbringing.

There's no such thing as an objective review, or even a MILDLY objective review. The Internet's obsession with finding one is honestly a little pathetic at this point.

>>85823213
>Which is a real bummer because you just know Marvel is going to make Captain Marvel and people will adore it.

Maybe.

Colonel Carnage is only interesting when (s)he's in full fascist blood-knight mode. Somehow, I don't see Disney letting her go full throttle.

Really funny how all these dcfags prove these two right

>>85829949
>>85830008

>>85821962
>blow up an entire country
no, stupid, that was only one city in Sokovia and they evacuated everyone before it fell. The 1000 deaths were people who were outside the city that had debris fall on them.

>>85824401
>and how that reminded him of the night his own parents were killed
EVERYTHING reminds him of that night, every single day.

>>85824750
Again, IT DOESNT FUCKING MATTER WHY, IT WAS STILL POORLY EXECUTED

Don't you know, it needed to make 2 billion to be successful.

>>85822647
Maybe because a lot of people hoped it would be good, even some who don't like MoS and BvS.

>>85831183
It sort of did since BvS couldn't make 1 billion.

>>85822594
Domestic is irrelevant.

>>85820765
It was successful financially, but not critically

>>85820765

Success can be measured a number of ways. Domestic box office isn't really a measure that anyone in the film industry takes seriously. Yes, there is a definite PRIDE factor in being successful domestically, but in point of fact, a successful domestic release would take into account post theatrical sales to cable/broadcast, DVD sales, etc.

It explains why some product with good DVD sales, for example, but weak ratings that lead to their cancellation, brought the item back.

As far as pure theatrical releases, you need to take into account World Wide revenue, but given that Suicide Squad had no real major stars (Will Smith no longer counts) you can safely compare it to say GotG or CA-TWS to get a realistic comparison. By both measures, the MCU either meets or beats the success of Suicide Squad to date.

The adjusted gross of CA-TWS is still less than what Suicide Squad has made to date domestically, so there, SS has that film beat and should probably (safely) make anywhere from $10 to $18M before it exists second run theaters. Obviously, this is not so with GotG. OTOH, CA-TWS made $450M plus in foreign markets. SS has done reasonably well considering it's not as well known in foreign markets as even Flash, Arrow, and innumerable other DC Comics IP, SS has pretty much maxed out what it will make in those markets and isn't scheduled to get a release in China and likely never will (although it will likely get plenty of illegal downloads!).

It's more of a success than MoS and more of a success than BvS. However, given the expectations of the first trailer (which were GotG expectations), it remains a disappointment for WB, although not such that say Ayer is going to get shit-canned from the sequel.

>>85822183
>barely beating Antman
Antman made $100 M less in North America than Suicide Squad. Antman got released in China, which SS isn't scheduled to and likely won't get to happen, and still is making only about $15M more in foreign territories than SS. SS in WW already beats by $60M dollars - that's more than some movies even gross their entire run, domestic and WW.

>>85823064

You shouldn't take Cinemablend seriously for anything.

On the other hand, Scott Mendelson is a respected reports. However, saying that Antman is not any more of a flop than Wolverine is a perfect example that isn't making anyone's argument that either of these movies (ANY of the Hugh Jackman solos or Antman) are bigger success by any standard than any of the three DCEU films.

>>85820861
CW > Squad > BvS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ghost busters (2016) > deadpool

Deadpool tried to be le funny meme movie yet became a generic bad guy capture love interest good guy save her movie in the end

>>85831598
>it remains a disappointment for WB

I seriously doubt that. It's making good money, the audience loved it and Harley Quinn is proving popular enough that she could front her own movie. Honestly the only people that seem disappointed by it are the critics and the Marvel fags, like you said DC is already planning sequels.

>>85832103
>the audience loved it
They really didn't, I think I've met maybe 1 person who didn't think it was average at best.

>>85830560
>It's almost like reviews are the personal informed opinions of individual people

>informed
Ha

>>85822481
>>all the hype, all the marketing

I have a degree on marketing and you would be surprise how little effort companies have to actually put in advetisement thanks to social media

>>85822647
>the samefag who spams KINO and APOLOGIZE TO SNYDER threads is on /co/
Fuck off.

>>85823814
Its all the samefag posting DC threads. Its either 1.jpg or the 14....jpg guy.

>>85834209
kino

>>85820765
its successful, sure.
but it's still shit

>>85834584
Better than 90% of the MCU though, that's for sure.

>>85831488
Domestic is the most important box office gross since that's were studios earn a good majority of the profit

>>85837349
That's only true for the MCU. It doesn't count for anyone else.

>>85826307
>they need at least 700 million to consider this successful
>700 million would be considered the second highest box office of all time, right after avatar
This is some incredibly weak bait.

>>85823361
>by "better sites" you mean cherry picking ones that see far less traffic than the one where people are more active?

Dude, 4chan is a really low traffic site. Especially /co/ and /tv/. /pol/ is actually the most active board among the non /b/ boards on 4chan.

Just look here:
https://catalog.neet.tv/stats.html

Also like >>85823241 said
>No they don't. Also nobody talks about SS like it's Citizen Kane either. Even the people who enjoyed it acknowledge it's a very flawed movie but still manages to be entertaining.
>The thing is YOU people are claiming people say that when they are not and that Hyperbole comes from you not being able to except that people enjoyed something that you did not.
I never said Odyssey didn't get praise, but, just like BvS, the people saw a heavily edited cut taht split audiences. BvS has some incredibly glowing reviews too, but overall Odyssey was panned in the public perception, only getting some critical praise.


I don't know WHERE you got the idea that Kane was well reviewed when it came out.

> Welles said that at the Chicago premiere that he attended the theater was almost empty. It did well in cities and larger towns but fared poorly in more remote areas. RKO still had problems getting exhibitors to show the film. For example, one chain controlling more than 500 theaters got Welles's film as part of a package but refused to play it, reportedly out of fear of Hearst Hearst's disruption of the film's release damaged its box office performance and, as a result, it lost $160,000 during its initial run. The film earned $23,878 during its first week in New York. By the ninth week it only made $7,279. Overall it lost money in New York, Boston, Chicago, Los Angeles, San Francisco and Washington, D.C., but made a profit in Seattle.

Sure there were SOME critics at the time that gave it good reviews, but its public perception was really really terrible. Even among the most respected critics at the time it was mixed critically

>>85834251
There is a lot of samefag going on when the DCEU is praised.

>>85831656
I have no idea where that "hurr durr a movie about Haley and Captain Boomerang didn't beat Antman" shit even came from.

MCUcks are seriously deluded.

>>85831656
>You shouldn't take Cinemablend seriously for anything.

The point was that Ant-Man did pull in huge numbers and the press was propping it up with defensive puff pieces. It's the exact opposite of Suicide Squad, which did well but got constantly trashed to convict people it actually failed.

>>85837349
>>85838153

Actually international box office matters MORE for Marvel than anyone else. Disney has trade agreements that mean that they see more of their films profits internationally than other studios.

>>85832103
who have you met that loved it irl? Every single person I've talked to that have watched it, both casuals and comic nerds, absolutely hated it.

I watched a rip with some friends. Stopped it half-way through because it was just bad. Not even funny bad like Cat woman, just boring.

Only tween hot-topic girls who get off to Harley/Joker fanfics 'loved' it.

>>85820765
the bigger question is.. is a movie like suicide squad what you want as a base for all other DCEU movies? Transformers was successful and its shit. Is this the road you want for DC? To make successful shit movies?

>>85820877
Yeah WTF was the big doom engine thing even supposed to DO? It was never elaborated on other than being a Gozer-esque lightshow.

>>85839256
>dceu defender is so dumb, he doesn't understand what worldwide box office is
Pottery

>>85820765
Why do people even look at Domestic Gross anymore?

>>85843295
Suicide Squad's only problem was that it was butchered.

>>85843053
>friends
>you
lol

>>85844496
I mean I doubt it's that good a movie pre-butchering but all the talk of it changing has me curious as to what it'd be like.

>>85824735
>Read a financial section sometime


You first, dumbass:
>http://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/093015/how-exactly-do-movies-make-money.asp
>Major studios and indie filmmakers alike now spend much of their days looking for new sources ofrevenue, because ticket sales are no longer the be-all and end-all for films.
>The film industry is in flux, and ticket sales alone don't drive revenue. There’s merchandising, VOD sales, foreign sales and a plethora of otherdistribution channelsthat can help filmmakers, producers and studios turn a profit.
>FOREIGN SALES

>>85844461
reminder that MCUcks were insisting that international box office didn't matter before they got their shit pushed in

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>>85829463
>The Hollywood Reporter,
>they're not a reputable source.

Did you heard about the lawsuit when they were found stealing content from other sites?

>>85829463
>WB is obviously lying about their budget to make their massive flops look like they made money. Bunch of fucking criminal hacks.
>Based Disney is completely on the level though. They don't have to pay for marketing and they accurately report their budgets.

You're right, there simply has to be a huge conspiracy against you.

>>85820861
I only saw the livestream, and from a pure cinematography standpoint, the film is shit and goes way too fucking fast.

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>>85822059
>1.jpg
We miss you, faggot!

>>85820765
Imagine how much it would've made if it was actually good.

Imagine how much BvS would've made if it was actually good.

Why do we bother making movies for Americans anymore? Just make them for China.

>>85845701
thats how marvel does it.

>>85830653
Yeah, the 1000 killed in Sokovia make a bit more sense than the numbers from New York, which should have been in the high hundreds, at least.

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>>85820765
>Why are people trying to pretend Suicide Squad wasn't successful?
Who told you that lie?

Good reviews =/= good revenue

See: Star Wars Prequels, BvS, Iron Man 2 and 3

These movies are literal theater thugs

That's why Kubo is doing shit and Suicide Squad beat GotG

>>85820765

Successful =/= good.

Your mother giving birth to you was successful but we try not to talk about it until you make shitty threads like this.

>>85846213
>>85846060
stay salty, disniggers

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>>85820765
>Why are people trying to pretend Suicide Squad wasn't successful?
Because it harms Papa D*sney's narrative that the MCU is the only REAL source of cape content.

>>85830653
>no, stupid, that was only one city in Sokovia and they evacuated everyone before it fell. The 1000 deaths were people who were outside the city that had debris fall on them.

I doubt that everyone in the city made it out alive, but the Avengers could have kept the death toll down to the dozens if Ultron focused on them instead of civilians.

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>>85824815
(you) fucking bait

oh it was successful
but it was still shit

>>85820861

You're a fucking moron if you think that's anywhere near true.

>>85846718
>H....HE DOESNT LIKE PAPA DISNEY!?!?!?!?
>RRREEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!
>