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Thor has his hammer
Cap has his shield
Green Lantern has his ring
Tim Drake has his staff
Dick Grayson has his escrima sticks

But why does no comics character have a really noteworthy sword they're associated with?

The closest is probably Magik and she's strictly C-List
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>>85813447
Katana
Black Knight
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>>85813447
Katana.
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>>85813498
>>85813499
Katana's in one movie and now she's a big name?

Did she even do anything? I haven't seen SS and all the praise I heard was for Harley, Diablo and Deadshot
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>>85813447
Silver Samurai, Ronin, Ra's al Ghul, Wonder Woman, Deathstroke, Deadpool, and Task Master
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>>85813536
Katana has been in three TV series and a Movie.
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>>85813447
Leonardo of the TMNT.
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>Katana
>Sword
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>>85813447
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>>85813636
Yes anon, a katana is a sword. Thank you for reiterating what everyone else has said. I'm sure that we can count on you in the future if we need other obvious things to be stated.
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Hellboy.

Unless you are talking about the complete garbage that are the serialized capecomics.
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>100% of the things listed are blunt weapons.
>most heroes have an affinity for not killing.
>most attacks made by a sword can mortally wound an opponent.

Gee, I dunno.
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>>85813447

Tim Drake and Dick Grayson are not C List?
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>>85813789
And tellingly, the sword OP mentions is traditionally non-lethal to non-magical beings
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Blade
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Shining Knight comes to mind. Either version.

Also if you want to go beyond DC/Marvel cape comics there are countless examples.
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>>85813447
Black Knight's whole thing was having a legendary sword.
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He-Man and Lion O's magic swords:
The Sword of Power.
The Sword of Omens.
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They're trying their hardest to make Wonder Woman's iconic weapon a sword
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>>85814221
I will never yield to this propaganda.
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Not originally a comics character I guess, but there have been Elric comics since the '70s.
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Not entirely comics, but Stormbringer.
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>>85813447

uuhhhh, fucking Deadpool!?!
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>>85813447
Deadpool. He's pretty A-list now.
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>>85813588
>Wonder Woman
Honestly her lasso and bracelets are the more defining weapons of her. Heck her jet is more memorable than her using a sword.
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Conan

Shatterstar
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Drift uses swords.
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>>85813447
Because sword's kill people and there's this meme where superheroes don't kill.
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>>85813447
Azrael;-;
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>>85813844
Dick Grayson has been A list for years, Tim is B list.
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>>85814700
Why are you sad anon? You know they brought him back correct? He kickstarts the new run of Detective Comics.
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>>85814682
His examples were, but OP didn't specify capeshit.
>comics character
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>>85813447
What is CONAN the barbarian, even the genre is Sword and sorcery.

No one in this thread have named him, shame on you /co/, you are just a /tv/ board at this point
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>>85814747
Look at the examples in the OP. It's pretty categorically blunt weapons. You're able to feature fight scenes with people trading nonlethal hits more believably than two people waving swords at each other for several pages and fail to dismember or grievously injure the other party.
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>>85814742
His new design is actually pretty GOAT, but he's been in a hospital bed for months with no mention of why the fuck he's in Gotham.Also the fact he goes though swords like Batman does cars.
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>>85813447
That's interesting, anon.

I never thought about it and yet it's completely true.

The most famous and iconic - by far - weapon in Western thought has always been the sword, and yet we have two of the Marvel big three wielding the alternatives - a shield and a war hammer (we're missing spears, but a spear would be a weird primary weapon for a superhero).

Wonder Woman technically has a sword but it's not as important or essential.

Huh. You'd think more modern mythical heroes would use the standard weapon of actual mythical heroes.
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>>85813536
You asked for comic characters with swords not a-listers featured in films.
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>>85813536
>Did she even do anything
She got mah back
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>>85813447
swords are tools of bourgoisie oppression.
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Not to derail the thread but out of curiosity, who would win in an eskrima match between Nightwing, Mockingbird, Mako Mori, and Black Widow?
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>>85814888

sword are offensive and superheroes are defensive
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>>85813447
None of those are cutting weapons.

Blades are more associated with lethality, which comic book heroes tend to shy away from.
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Can't really slash or stab under comics code
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>>85814789

>>85814593
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>>85814913
Nightwing. No contest at all.
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>>85814922
>superheroes are defensive

No, man. The distinction is that villains act, heroes react (or proactive vs. reactive).

Superheroes are offensive as fuck, unless you're watching 90s Spider-Man.
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>>85814789
Conan doesn't originate in comics.
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>>85814789
Barbarians or mythological based characters are in their majority sword wielders.
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>>85814971

you're right, I was leaning into Cap and his symbolism with the shield.
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>>85813447

skaar
NINJAK
deathstroke
deadpool
wonderwoman
snake eyes
taskmaster
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>>85814940
Ahm, hmm.. Wolverine??
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>>85814995

this is true, Wolverine has 6 swords
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>>85814987
I love the capitalization of NINJAK
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>>85813447
Ever read Camelot 3000?
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>>85813723
Hellboy uses a sword about as often as Batman uses a 2x4
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>>85814971
>The distinction is that villains act, heroes react

Is that always strictly true, though? Though Superman acts as a reaction to natural disasters and the like, Lex Luthor (at least in more modern comics) often reacts to Superman's presence specifically.
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>>85814206
>>85813622
Is a shame neither of them uses their sword to actually hurt their opponents, just cut some rope to drop something else on the bad guys, or free the abducted damsel in distress in turn.

Except when the opponent is a robot or something non-alive, but I'm not sure if that counts.
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>sword
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>>85814571
It's not even that and it looks pretty boffer to me.
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>>85815036
For Lion O, probabaly you are right. But He-Man uses his sword in comics. A lot.
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>>85814999
There is also his Muramasa blade no?
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>>85813789

>thor
>not a fan of killing

>the only hero that has a sword is japshit for weebs

Comics are so fucking dumb.
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>>85813447
Captain Marvel has a sword.
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a similar reason why fewer heroes use guns, and why the most famous bow-wielders are known for using trick arrows.

the most popular cape characters are the ones that were popular in the 70s or earlier, when violence in comics was a bigger deal than it is today. blood guts and death were a touchy subject. they still happened sometimes, and there's definitely exceptions (wolverine) but the dominant philosophy was "heroes are good, good guys don't hurt people"

the 80s and 90s were the rebound of this philosophy and now things are evening out, but brand new characters don't sell as well as the originals and most of the originals were created in a time when heroes didn't draw blood.
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>not one mention of Zauriel yet

The fuck's wrong with these heathens?
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>>85813447
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>>85813447

It's the rule of too easy OP, same reason we only have like 3-4 actually popular characters who regularly use guns, despite guns being the most practical modern weapon. But we see guns and swords all of the time, we see them in movies and TV and read about them in history books, we're aware of guns and swords. But comic books are weird, so they're a great place for odd fighting ideas to take hold. A guy who fights exclusively using old phonebooks and is successful with it is way more interesting than sword guy #2355387. How does he effectively wield the phonebooks in combat? Why them exclusively? Swords and guns already have these answers, what they don't have is intrigue
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>>85815034
>Lex Luthor (at least in more modern comics) often reacts to Superman's presence specifically.
i think that's a matter of semantics, reacting to someone's mere existence doesn't really count. Lex does something to hurt Superman (physically or otherwise), Superman reacts to the attempt. It's usually the villain who goes "looking for trouble" first.
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>>85813447

Conan. While technically not a comic character he has pretty much become one since the 70s even if one of the big two don't own him anymore.
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>>85814038
Well, that bit of explicit loop holing aside, most heroes have an aversion to even lethally harming their opponent, magical or not.
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>>85815255
>A guy who fights exclusively using old phonebooks and is successful with it is way more interesting than sword guy #2355387.
someone needs to draw this ASAP
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>>85815255

i would argue guns are also boring to watch in action/a medium like comics and it takes a lot of work to make it work
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>>85815218
>Zauriel
Who?
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>>85815255
>A guy who fights exclusively using old phonebooks and is successful with it is way more interesting than sword guy #2355387.

I can see Badger doing something like that.
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>>85814913

Nightwing.
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>>85813447
Many characters from japanese comics have swords, you know.
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>>85815286

His Name is Bell, and he stalks the former US looking the one who killed his grandfather. But he doesn't have a name all he has are... the numbers.
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>>85815300
Angel. B-lister. Supposedly the "Ambassador of Heaven", but he didn't really do his job much. Bit stuck up. Has done jack shit besides guard stuff in the New 52, so it's not surprising that you might not have heard of him.
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>>85815002

its honestly disgusting that this board doesnt seem to know anything about comics outside of marvel and DC, so thought id really hammer home vertigo's poster boy
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>>85815300

Morrison wanted Hawkman on his JLA but couldn't get him so he created this guy to take his place
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>>85815730
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>>85815730
>>85815768
The last thing I heard, she was a new marvel (?) character. Funny thing: she's french. Wonder why?
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>>85815036
>Leonardo
>not using his sword
He slices whatever the hell he wants in most comic incarnations. The 2k3 series and 2012 series too, to a lesser extent, too (the 2012 series has a lot of regenerating monsters specifically so that the turtles can slice shit up without upsetting the censors).
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>>85816008
And footbots.
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>>85814999
Logan also uses katana in some circumstances.
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>>85813447
Off the top of my head, Conan and Red Sonja always have a sword, though if you're thinking "named blade", neither counts. And either is just as likely to wield an axe.

Prince Valiant had the Valiant Blade and Clarent. De Rode Ridder had the Red Blade. The Shining Knight had a sword, but not a named blade.

Zorro is older than comics, so I dunno if y'all want to count him.

He-Man isn't specifically a "comics" character, so he doesn't count.

Going deeper, comics started as stories with two-fisted heroes, police detectives, ray gun spacemen, and Wild West gunfighters. Swords are a weapon of nobility, at least as far as the tropes that comics stick to go. Since a LOT of comics and pulp has arguably vague socialist roots, it's just not common or popular.
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>>85814107
Holy crap, it's Jim Butcher as a comic book character.
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>>85815250
>Muslim
>Female
>Wielding THE Sword of the original Christian king of Britain.

This triggers me. Holy SHIT, 'm actually mad. Should at least be Zulfiqaar since she's Islamic.
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'Sup.
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zemo uses a sword but i dont know if it has a name or is unique
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>>85813447
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>>85815218
>mainstream Angel depiction
Boring. Where are the Angels with four heads and four eye-covered wings and goat feet? Where are the six winged firey angels who use their wings to cover their face and feet? Where are the giant wheels covered in eyes?
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>>85818939
Usagi's sword isn't noteworthy. He himself is.
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>>85819697
They showed up too, Superman wrestled with them
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>>85815602
I'm surprised that the religious people of comic books haven't suffered some break down from so many conflicting religions being true at the same time
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>>85815255
This is only because most writers have no concept of how fighting works. Much less fighting with swords and guns. It's not the phonebooks being more interesting. The phonebooks are merely the only thing they know how to write in an interesting way.

Sadly, the way you write interesting fighting would probably be dismissed immediately as weebshit because it's not two immobile bricks blindly firing their OP beams at eachother or whatever ability they have.
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>>85818866
I assume you're talking about Auther. I wonder why a Christian King is okay with merlin.
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>>85819859
A Celt would HAVE to let a Druid stand at his court, sides, the Myrrdin's mother was a Christian according to the majority of the legends.
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>>85819824

recommend me some shit with good fight writing, weebshit or not.
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Black Knight
Excalibur
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Magik
Pixie or whatever has her soul dagger
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>>85820154
Any manga that revolves around sport fighting. There's more of those than you think. Though if you wanted a specific one named, Ippo is widely loved. Which is also an anime if you want an anime. I haven't watched Ippo myself so I can't totally vouche for it, but it's just normal humans boxing and learning to box. Everyone that reads it has said they love it, and that kind of weight of opinion is usually not wrong.

If you want a specific recommendation from what I personally have read, Vagabond is an amazing manga that follows an interpretation of Musashi's life. Absolutely grounded in realism and goes heavily in to the mindset of a swordsman. Not a fighteverychapter kind of affair, but the fights are excellent.

Really, anything that goes in to the mentality behind the fighting, and I don't mean in a philosophical manner. I mean the hows and whys and why a fighter thinks a certain way because they have to think that way to win.

If you want something more fun and not really grounded in realism (but still without overt super powers) then History's Strongest Disciple Kenichi. The manga, not the anime. God help you. Good read from beginning to end, but the power output gets a bit questionable once the masters start showing off more on screen.
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>>85813536
who the hell has been praising movie deadshot?
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>>85820527
Oh a warning.

I haven't started up Ippo myself because it has a fuckload of chapters. I'm waiting for a day I just feel like a reading binge online to start that huge pile of manga. Jesus.
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Capes don't use swords because that would make the action too gory for kids
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>>85819859
Britain's history has all kinds of weird mysticism in it, they have their own church ffs
You can't be king of Britain without having a sorcerer in your employ, the people would laugh at you
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>>85813447
>Magik
>C-Lister
Oh yeah, never mind that she's been a main character on the flagship X-titles since AvX. In fact, right now she's the main focus of Extraordinary X-Men. Back in the day she used to be a C-Lister but I'd say it's fair thag she's now an A or at the very least a B.

Also.

>Zemo
>Skar
>Deathstroke
>Deadpool
>Taskmaster
>Ras AL
>Black Knight
>Katana
>Nightcrawler
>Gamora
>Angela
>Hobgoblin
>The Silver Samurai
>Jason Todd
Swords are a very basic weapon that are used a lot in comics.
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>>85813447
Well, there was an early Avenger called the Swordsman, but he was kind of shitty. People didn't like him enough for him to keep getting pushed despite several attempts across several decades, so they stopped and now he's just kind of a legacy identity (the original is long dead) that doesn't fuckin' matter to anybody.

So to answer your question: because you're in a very small minority that wants to read superhero comics about swords.
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>>85819394
is the latest season of Avengers worth watching? Because the first one sure wasn't
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>>85813447
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>>85820527
>>85820622

Thanks anon, I'll check those out, Vagabond sounds especially interesting.
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>>85818866
>Christian
>arthur
that's some serious leaps you've got there, since no one is exactly sure when the Arthur myths first got started
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>>85813536
>Katana's in one movie and now she's a big name?

Katana's been a solid B-lister for years now, dude.
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>>85818866
>getting mad at comics

Also, OP, you're a fucking casual of the highest caliber. Come back after you read some fucking comics.
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>>85820742
>X-titles
marvel is doing their damndest, through malice of sheer incompetence, to turn the entire x-men franchise into the c list. tellingly, the a list is currently dead
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>>85813447
>But why does no comics character have a really noteworthy sword they're associated with?


um...
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>>85821278
>Uncanny X-Men
>all new X-Men
>Extaordanry X-Men
>Old Man Logan
>All New Wolverine
>Upcoming even staring the X-Men
5 ongoing titles doesn't seem like they are killing the franchise to me, just because you don't like it doesn't mean Marvel is killing them off anon, no matter what 4chan tells you.
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>>85821040
Good man. That's probably the one I'd recommend most for anyone to read. Just in general.
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>>85820696
I just read Wikipedia and in one story apparently Merlin was meant to be the antichrist but he got baptized when he was a baby so the devil no-longer had a hold on him.
Aint that something?
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>>85821202
yeah, for exactly as long as they've known she'd be in the movie.
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>>85821816
>yeah, for exactly as long as they've known she'd be in the movie.

Have you ever read a comic in your life? I'm genuinely curious about why you're so adamant that a character that YOU are not familiar with is some unknown just because you don't don't read comics?
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