Would they have the balls to kill off Connie?

>>85802140
no.

she's sugar's self insert so no

>>85802140
If they did they'd probably pull some bullshit to bring her back to life literally 10 seconds later

>>85802140
She'll eventually die of old age.

>>85802140
If it wasn't a kids cartoon, but it could happen either way

>>85802140
No, she's sugars Mary Sue self insert

>>85802140
Why would they?

>>85802196
Steven is based off of her brother though.

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>>85802140
I did

>>85802140
She is Poo in the loo

>>85802140
Why would they do that!?
Why would you even say that?
What's wrong with you?

>>85802327
Some people think killing off characters automatically makes a show mature and gritty

>>85802363
It needs to have some important role in either the plot, or in character development.

In this instance, it would probably be used to development a more negative aspect of Steven growing up, a further hit upon the theme of loss in the show.

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>>85802140
If anyone is going to die or be seriously injured, all signs point to it being Greg.

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>>85802327
>Death is icky and weird and triggering and definitely not something young audiences need to learn about and understand. How could you even mention the D-word?!
This is why adults are all overgrown babies these days

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>>85802623
Yikes.

I didn't think of that

>>85802327
>Why would they do that!?
how else would steven achieve the form of super sayian?

>>85802666
Your fucking satan trips sealed it. Only Sugar can pull this off.

>>85802644
>/Co/ get's triggered by gays in a kids
>No but kids should totally get killed off, did i tell you about my fan fiction where pearl is a drug addict?

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>>85802292
Nice

>>85802292

Exactly.

>>85802623
NOT BEST GUY!

HE'S THE ONLY GOOD GUY.

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>>85802623
But Greg can't die he's the only character who isn't mentally unstable.

>>85802140
>Steven Universe
>having balls at all
Nope.

>>85802797
mentally stable characters are problematic
they need to go

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>>85802779
Well by that logic child molestation should be in kids shows, there's literally no reason for connie to die other than cheap shock value, which i guess is what steven universe is all about

>>85802806
It's the inverse brother, everybody in this show is mentally stable as fuck and immediately apologizes anytime they make any sort of mistake, Actually flawed characters are problematic

>>85802823
There's an issue of Spider-Man about molestation.

It's not a new or strange sentiment to teach kids about these things. Stranger Danger is taught to most kids.

>>85802140
No one involved with Steven Universe has balls.

>>85802755
And that's why it's almost guaranteed. I'm praying that I'm wrong somehow but every single sign points to yes.

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>>85802140
>a character in SU dies for some reason
>fandom is mad not because the character is dead, but beacuse their precious ships are now ruined
this is bound to happen and you know it

>>85802823
You do realize that's what Kevin's character was all about, right?

>>85802140
>have the balls

That wouldn't take "balls", it'd take stupidity.

>>85802196
>Mary Sue

Don't use terms you don't understand.

>>85802140
Yes, then Steven would revive her with a kiss.

>>85802158
This is about as far as I can see the pushing it, Steven would probably bring her back with a healing kiss or something.

Yes and no.
They'll pull of the classic "She dies, protagonist gets sad and cries on top of her and magic kiss/tears bring her back to life" cliche.

>>85802140
I don't know about Connie, but when Vidalia said "I hope your space goddess' magic can bring back the dead" it had to have been foreshadowing something.

She is literally Connie from King of the Hill. Same fat fetish too.

only if literally everyone else dies at the same time. and stays dead. and the show ends

>>85804526
But this is Steven. He will curl up in a crying, slobbering mess over her, which does the trick just as well.
But it's gross.

>>85804435
Mostly this. Killing important characters for cheap thrills is not really what Sugar has been doing so far. I can't imagine the Crewniverse to declare Connie disposable like that.
Killing people for "character growth" is a retarded concept. What it is, is cutting out a character you don't want to deal with.

>>85802797
Rose is taller than that
But props to the artis for making her chubby and not a fat aberration

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>>85802292

Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice

>>85802140
Unfortunately no.

Shit character, breaks any and all internal consistency of the show and is never held accountable for her actions. Episodes that focus on her somehow manage to be both frustrating and dull.

No, but I'm sure she'll get mildly injured and they'll spend three episodes crying about it

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>>85802623
FUUUUUUCK

>>85802853
I cant get hard unless they terrify me and repulse the blood staight into my penis.

>>85802140
Or more fitting thing in keeping with the tone of the show would be to have her eventually drifting apart from steven and the CG in general, and them dealing with the fall out from that,the fact that Stevonnie won't exist anymore, and that connections you make as a preteen won't always last forever. That's a more interesting take to me than straight up killing a 14 year old girl for shock value.

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>>85802140

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>>85805698
shit.

>>85802146
No she's not. In fact Steven is her Oni-chan insert. She wouldn't fuck her brother

>>85802140
She defecates in public spaces. She will die sooner or later.

>>85803677
This. Just look at this thread.

>>85805698

Are they staying fused to keep themselves both alive?

>>85805932
They are staying fused because Steven wants to keep Connie alive

>>85805809
i'd guess she was third generation immigrant, her grandparents escaped shit-street central

>>85802140
Do you think Connie's bathroom at her house just leads outside to the street?

>>85805698
>you'll have to let her go someday
>I'll let her go when you let her go first.

>>85806156
what if her bathroom is in fact a street?
the maheswaran street

>>85806201
She'll scrape it off the street and serve it up to Steven with plenty of grease and spices introducing him to some fine Indian cuisine.

>>85804596
Uhhh.... Racist much? Connie (Khan jr., actually) is Laotian while Connie is Indian. Totally different.

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>>85805739
Of course she would never do such a thing.

>kill off Connie
Maybe not kill, but knock her out of the show, sure.

Whatever the corruption wave is it's probably some form of song. And a song loud enough to break a planet probably is very VERY loud close by. So my guess is they set one off and Steven is able to protect the Gems, but Connie's left out, and her ears rupture hard, and it's so loud it starts fucking with her internal body pressure. And sure, Steven can heal up the physical problems, but like corruption, it's hard to cure mental damage, since the mind itself would be hotwired into the blast, so a Catatonic Connie's what we end up with for endgame.

And then when Steven's figured out how to fix corruption, he can by proxy fix Connie with enough work.

>>85806603
>so a Catatonic Connie's what we end up with for endgame.
Do you seriously not think that the 'final' showdown will be Stevonnie beating yellow diamond with the power of love and friendship?

>>85802140
She has to go back to school sometime.

>>85805698
Part of me thinks that honestly I don't see Garnet really doing this. Pearl maybe

>>85806655
Yeah, I don't. For starters, Yellow Diamond's not endgame. At least not alone.

Second, fusion has been the getaround to having Steven fight his OWN physical battles. It's an interesting element of his character interactions, but it'd be a crutch to just have one particular fusion be what he does in the end. Steven's final fight will be unfused, as an even bigger upset to the endgame.

>>85804815

What in the actual fuck are you talking about?

>>85802146
The crystal gems are literally her self insert

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>>85802327
she's a non character at this point
her only purpose right now is fusion folder for Steven. She's the Goten to Steven's Trunks
She use to be Steven's connection to his human side, but that idea was dropped a long time ago
She doesn't really cause Steven to act differently in significant ways that come up after its introduced
She doesn't really push the plot in different directions for Steven
She isn't really connected to anyone else in the cast other than Greg or Pearl. (maybe Garnet, but only when she's Stevonnie)
All she is, is Steven's agreeable and supportive girlfriend he fuses with

Unless the idea of the show is for Steven to at some point become a perma fusion in the end (a reverse on the coming of age boy into man story, rather now a boy turning into a woman) she has no reason to keep existing
so there's only really 2 choices, Connie dies, being the biggest struggle for Steven to have yet, or they stay fused forever

Connie would have to die to be anything interesting done with her because Steven's struggle as a character is to try and keep his optimism in an increasingly darkening world. I guess Connie helps sometimes, but then that's not really interesting for her, she's just a plot device for Steven
funny how a show that prides itself on its female characters, has the love interest be it's weakest link

tl;dr - Connie is a plot device for fusion and character development for Steven.

>>85802146
>>85807129
Guys guys, every character in the show is a self-insert.

>>85802177
>you're going to have to unfuze sometime Stevonnie.
>You're going to have to let her go.

>show makes a point of addressing things other shows don't address
>show makes a point of representing people who feel worthless and showing them as powerful
>show makes a point of including characters and relationships that other shows don't

Connie's gonna get teen pregnant, guaranteed. The only question is whether it will be pre or post timeskip.
timeskip is also guaranteed

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>>85807129
Yeah! The gems would never do something that sick!

>>85805698
>She's just a human, Steven.
>Humans are only temporary, they always have been.
>You didn't absorb Greg to keep him with you, did you?
>Garnet, that
>That was only because I couldn't get to him in time

>>85807314
>timeskip is also guaranteed
you mean cancellation is guaranteed

>>85807339
Steven absorbs everyone to save them from a cataclysmic event, becoming a monster that causes more damage than the cataclysm. Then the Crystal Gems have to work together with homeworld to save the planet.

This all happens in the Steven Universe movie though so it's questionable if it's canon

>>85807414
Believe in Steven
The Savior, The Answer, The Guarantee
Our key to life everlasting
Give, give with all your hearts! Because he will give of all of his.

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>>85806169
Anon plz stop

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>>85807317
>stevens hand

>>85807414
sounds like evangelion´s end to me anon

>>85807663
I think that was the joke

>>85802140
>Would they have the balls to kill off Connie?
not Connie but maybe one GEM

>>85806323
Still asian

>>85807633
It's a sign of corruption. He can keep it at bay being half human. Pearl knows this is her last chance to get into Rose's Pants. Peridot and Lapis are trying too.

Amethyst already hit that and Garnet is disappointed in everybody.

>>85807663
Asuka is a cunt.

>>85802140
I'd rather see her become permanently injured to the point of needing a wheelchair from a battle with Homeworld, and the only way she can regain her previous mobility is fusing with Steven. Could be interesting.

>>85802140
They're killing her little by little but no.

>>85807110
>The show goes to extreme lengths to show that humans are no match for gems unless they work together
>Connie is fine against them though

>The show goes to extreme lengths to show that Steven is passive and is more likely to get sad rather than angry
>Steven turns into a teeth-gnashing revenge-monkey so for an episode so that Connie could be the voice of reason

>Connie's parents are strict and restrictive
>The show says that Connie's mom is unreasonable and doesn't trusting enough in Connie when she doesn't want Connie doing gem stuff
>Connie breaks a fucking kid's arm because of gemstuff training. Presumably her parents are fine with it as she seem chipper enough after she comes clean

They try much too hard to make her infallible and a 'role model'. Because we've never had a bookish smart girl as a role model for young girls in every kid-YA thing since the dawn of time. The latter would be fine, the former would be fine but the established rules of the setting shift to allow her to do it and she has no real character beyond that. This makes her boring.

That is the actual fuck I'm talking about.

>>85810681
>>The show goes to extreme lengths to show that humans are no match for gems unless they work together
Sadie killed one with a pointy stick

>>85802644
yeah you're right, a child being murdered on-screen would be a step in the right direction

>>85810707
She was not alone. The pizzas also killed one. Working together.

>>85802177
Won't Steven die of old age as well?

>>85810739
and connie has ever killed one alone when

Ruby will die, thus Garnet will die. Sapphire forever alone

>85804450

>somehow is able to fight Super human gem monsters
>can keep up with Halo Pearl
>is never wrong, always gets her way
>Sugar puts accidentally hurting someone equal to Steven accidentally killing someone.

Please, tell me how she isn't a Mary Sue?

>>85804450
It's true.

>>85810759
She killed one by herself in nightmare hospital. Steven got the other one.

As another anon pointed out she can also hold her own against holo pearl and even pearl. Not that either are out for blood like corrupted gems are.

>>85802327
Fuck off steven

>>85807995
some people just want to fuck a raging cunt.

>>85810975
She's 14, Anon.

>>85811047
Yes, and?
Prime breeding age.

>>85811073
That's a pretty spooky thing to say.

>>85811047
And?

She's not even my waifu. Nor my type.

Just saying, some men want to stick their dick in crazy.

>>85811113
What? If you want to produce offspring, that is a very productive age. You can go for a long time before running out of tries.
Although, if she's a bitch now, no telling what she'll turn into by 25.

>>85807162
MY self insert!

>>85802310
why

>>85807242

https://youtu.be/XJjnbhSTuqQ

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>>85810754
Only his human half.

>>85810975
I would rather see her dead. Wish Shinji was successful with Fourth Impact and just murdered everyone in the land of the cunts ruled by even bigger cunts.

>>85810814
>is never wrong, always gets her way

Really? Because in the episode in Canada or whatever where she thought she was some kind of wilderness survival expert because she read a book made her seem like she was completely full of shit. Like how she thought it was necessary to put the mission on hold so she could brew up some pine needles to avoid getting scurvy, even though they were only out in the woods for an hour or so. Then of course the whole peak oil rant. With the whole ordeal being capped off her her being totally useless when the fight actually started.

>>85807414
>Genocyber

>>85810754
>old age
No? He can control his age, so as long has he wants to live he will

>>85811355
>Because in the episode in Canada or whatever where she thought she was some kind of wilderness survival expert because she read a book made her seem like she was completely full of shit. Like how she thought it was necessary to put the mission on hold so she could brew up some pine needles to avoid getting scurvy, even though they were only out in the woods for an hour or so.
>Honestly trying to turn her over-preparedness that's played off as a joke and has absolutely no negative consequences as an time where she was wrong

>With the whole ordeal being capped off her her being totally useless when the fight actually started.
Because she doubted how amazing she was. The resolution to that was that she was only wrong about how she was wrong.

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if anyone is sugars self-insert, it's lapis
>Steven based off Onii-chan
>Greg based off Otou-sama
>Lapis is based off a character in that discontinued abuse comic
>said character is based off Sugar
>confirmed

>>85811501
Yes, it was making fun of her overpreparedness. Which kind of disqualifies her from being a mary sue, because those types of characters are perfect in every way. While being a naive bookworm isn't that damning of a character flaw, I don't know what kind of consequences you're expecting. It certainly didn't result in any kind of benefit to the mission. Had her anal retentiveness actually saved them in the end, like she somehow was able to create a poultice to treat an infection then yeah I'd agree she'd be creeping dangerously close to being a mary sue.

But hey, if you want to be reaching for shit to angry at, be my guest.

>>85806323
>Uhhh.... Racist much?
You have to go back

>>85811747
No. The show making a joke about how overprepared she is does not turn it into an actual character flaw rather than simple quirk. Having quirks is a good thing. It's the point that a quirk starts actually being a hindrance that they become flaws. See: Literally every single other character in the show. She doesn't play by the setting rules at all.

It's also important to realise the genre of the thing we're dealing with. It's a kid's cartoon. Characters are going to do silly things. A cartoon character doing a silly thing is nothing to write home about.

Being a naive bookwork could actually get her into trouble on many occasions but they chose not to, even going out of their way to show that people who think it's going to get her into trouble are wrong. See: Nightmare Hospital and the resolution to the arc where Steven wanted to distance himself from Connie and gem stuff.

No, but I really wish they would. She's rather annoying, I hate Connie episodes.

>>85810707
>>85810739
It's pretty obvious that corrupted gems are no match for non-corrupted gems, it's not that hard to poof them.

>>85812058
>It's pretty obvious that corrupted gems are no match for non-corrupted gems
Which is why humans can take them on the in first place. Note that they evacuated the entire town when actual gems were coming. The only human who has taken one alone is Connie (who did so easily), which may have very well been fine done right but nobody but her mother questioned it and her mother was treated as wrong.

>>85812163
Isn't it possible that the spit she got from Steven may have changed her in more ways than just repairing her sight?

>>85812208
That would be a pretty great way to handle it. I'd like that a lot. Even if it does seem unlikely that it would happen. She'd still need an episode or two wherein she is shown to be actually wrong and held accountable however.

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>>85811579
I bet.

>>85811579
>Lapis is based off a character in that discontinued abuse comic

Wut?

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>>85811579
>Lapis is also the most overpowered character in the series so far.

Wouldn't surprise me at all really.

>>85811970
But her bookwormishness wasn't a benefit, either. Usually kids shows will vindicate the oddball by having their niche skills save the day. Like they got lost she would use the stars to navigate, she would have used animal calls to summon a moose to distract the fusion monster, Steven would have sprained his ankle and she would have made a splint, so on and so fourth. But nothing like that happened, everything she did that episode was played off as a joke.

As I have to agree about her being set apart from all the other characters of the show. If there's one thing that binds them all together, it's having an emotional breakdown. Connie has had a couple already. From anxiety over the prospect of failure stemming from her mother issues. Her mom is very overbearing, demanding excellence in every regard. It's actually kind of funny that you're accusing Connie of being a mary sue when that's exactly the kind of person her mom wants her to be.

>>85812241
You mean like the episode where she learns to set her childish squabble aside and help Steven with the emotional heavy lifting of leading a rebellion in an ancent civil war with his mother being potentially less than he thought she was and certainly disappointed in him for being such an inept bitch?

>>85812298
She had a comic she never finished with a character that resembles Lapis getting abused. It's called Margo in Bed.

>>85812427
I have to disagree. Bah...

>>85811579
>tfw Zuke stole your self-insert for her pet ship

>>85812427
They found the gem monster because they camped out in a tree and followed the tracks survival style.

>Her mom is very overbearing, demanding excellence in every regard. It's actually kind of funny that you're accusing Connie of being a mary sue when that's exactly the kind of person her mom wants her to be.
Her mom does not want her to be a sword-wielding gem destruction machine. She's just doing the standard strict foreign parent thing. I'm surprised tumblr hasn't kicked up more of a fuss about stereotypes or whatever.

>>85812450
>You mean like the episode where she learns to set her childish squabble aside and help Steven with the emotional heavy lifting of leading a rebellion in an ancent civil war with his mother being potentially less than he thought she was and certainly disappointed in him for being such an inept bitch?

You mean the one where she breaks a kid's arm for literally no reason, faces no consequences and is treated like a very tiny mistake, like it just happens?
That thing that wasn't a childish squabble but her SUPER COOL AND UNIQUE gem training (That her mother was wrong to say she shouldn't do)?
You mean that thing where she actually benefits because the kid who's arm she broke actually likes her and wants to be her friend?
You mean the episode in which she didn't need to apologise for ignoring Steven's emotional wellbeing and used herself as an example of what Steven should aspire to be like?
You mean that episode where, even when you're trying to talk about what Connie did wrong, you end up talking more about Steven's flaws?

Yeah I remember that one.

>>85806798
I'd totally see Garnet in that position due to her being the fusion... but thinking about it. It's not like Garnet knows much about humans passing away... maybe from experience about Rose?

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You guys think Steven is her brother? Steven is who that tumblr freak wants to be. She wants to be Steven, and she wants to be a man. Steven is her self insert

>>85803677
Kek

>>85804713
>killing people for "character growth" is a retarded concept.
>Gurren Lagaan.
Check mate

>>85804713
>killing off characters for growth in other characters is retarded
>Gurren Lagaan
Go fuck yourself

>>85812802
>You mean the one where she breaks a kid's arm for literally no reason, faces no consequences and is treated like a very tiny mistake, like it just happens?
We have no context for that and she is massively distrought by it. It's the content of the first half of the episode that she is shocked by the possibility she could just hurt people around her by being a trained fighter and having combat reflexes.
>That thing that wasn't a childish squabble but her SUPER COOL AND UNIQUE gem training (That her mother was wrong to say she shouldn't do)?
That completely validates Priyanka's concerns.
>You mean that thing where she actually benefits because the kid who's arm she broke actually likes her and wants to be her friend?
After she tortures herself for days and has the episode about how she has to resolve her problems.
>You mean the episode in which she didn't need to apologise for ignoring Steven's emotional wellbeing and used herself as an example of what Steven should aspire to be like?
What the fuck? She is under no obligation to monitor Steven, especially when she is not around to hear about the things that bother him.
She learned the lection from Garnet and just helped Steven along with taking the same advice.
And I especially liked that the show did not look to blame someone and make them apologise but had them learn about how to be better towards each other by helping each other to solve their individual problems.
>You mean that episode where, even when you're trying to talk about what Connie did wrong, you end up talking more about Steven's flaws?
You completely misread my post then. That last part was what Steven thought of the situation. I reflected his view as opposed to judging his actions.
He did well in all the situations he feels bad about. In fact better than Rose in some regards with Bismuth.
What stresses him here is his own impossible standard and the distorted image he has of his mother. He falls short while aspiring to the impossible.

>>85804713
>killing off characters for growth in other characters is retarded
>Gurren Lagaan
Go fuck yourself

>>85812990
>You guys think Steven is her brother? Steven is who that tumblr freak wants to be. She wants to be Steven, and she wants to be a man. Steven is her self insert
Steven is based on her brother, Steven Sugar, you dumb fuck.

>>85802140
>Steven Universe
>balls
>implying

>>85814497
>show all around the nature of love, the pitfalls of relationships, the interactions of different personality types and dealing with guilt and abuse
>somehow clad into child-level scenarios and not shying away from inducing emotional distress to make a point
>driving a very defined idea of morality home to the point of alienating different parts of the audience at various points
>no balls

I'm not quite sure what you would call ballsy here.

>>85802140
Pointlessly fridging a little girl on tumblr's favorite (or really any) show would take a lot of balls, I'll give you that.

/co/'s attitudes towards precocious girls in cartoons (see also: Lisa Simpson off the top of my head at least) are always genuinely really disturbing to me and speak to a deep level of immaturity and weird issues with women generally I think

>>85810681
>The show goes to extreme lengths to show that humans are no match for gems unless they work together

>"I didn't get the retarded shonen battlin' show I was hoping for so I just make shit up"

>The show goes to extreme lengths to show that Steven is passive and is more likely to get sad rather than angry
>Steven turns into a teeth-gnashing revenge-monkey so for an episode so that Connie could be the voice of reason

>"I feel extremely threatened by smart women (even when they're like 13) to the point that any instance in which a female character says anything that isn't categorically wrong I flip out and assume the show is trying to show how women are intrinsically more reasonable than men or something. Also I know that "good characterization" is supposed to be important but because I'm not smart enough to actually figure out what that means I just construct simplistic rubrics to judge how the characters are supposed to act exactly in every situation and flip out when they don't"

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>>85815041
Sounds about right.

Those little girls daring to not be wrong about stuff anger me to no end as well.

>>85814344
>We have no context for that
We have plenty. We saw everything and when she came back and explained what happened she was thrilled. You honestly think somebody as afraid of parental disappointment as Connie would be that chipper after the reasonable consequences of breaking a kid's arm unprovoked?
>That completely validates Priyanka's concerns.
Yes. Yes it does. As did the episode where Pearl was training her as a suicide fighter. Yet she was still treated as in the wrong by the voice of the show. I guarantee you ain't nothing going to come of it.
>After she tortures herself for days and has the episode about how she has to resolve her problems.
After she tortures herself. However other characters/the setting do not react in a reasonable fashion at all. Facing no consequences from the school, her strict parents, Pearl, Steven or even the person she assaulted for bumping into her.
>What the fuck? She is under no obligation to monitor Steven, especially when she is not around to hear about the things that bother him
Your words were "she learns to set her childish squabble aside and help Steven with the emotional heavy lifting of leading a rebellion" not mine. So apparently she either had an obligation or didn't learn anything.
>Helped Steven along with the same advice
"Like me" was the term she used anon. "Hey Steven I know the heavy shit your going through is really though but I broke a dude who did nothing's arm. Just be more like me."

It would have been much better to have her harm somebody in self defence. Would have been more translatable to Steven's issue and make it seem less forced/insensitive.

You're right on the last point though. When I said flaws I should have said issues.

>>85814787
killing off one of the characters permanently
like, what the entire thread should be about

>>85810844
That thing in the hospital wasn't an actual gem, it was a shard fusion without any real powers.

And the holo Pearls she beat were clearly said to have been set on baby mode. As for her beating the actual pear, where did you get this from? When she and Steven attacked pearl they managed to drive her back a bit, until she went on the offense and knocked both their asses down with one swipe.

And hell, on Sardonyx's strength tester, Stevonie is only stronger than Pearl, while Smokey fully exerting herself can peak at Garnet's level.

>>85815041
>>85815041
>"I didn't get the retarded shonen battlin' show I was hoping for so I just make shit up"
No? Every time humans have defeated gems of any sort that have had assistance from eachother. When gems are coming to beach city they all fucking evacuate. The fact that the humans need the crystal gems to protect them at all is another point towards this argument.

>"I feel like constructing a strawman from my psychology armchair so I'm going to ignore how massively out of character it is for Steven Who's core character trait is that he is a peace-maker to get into the state he was Rather than Connie who has been shown to get tunnel-vision when she gets an objective in her head in, in favour of calling a random person on the internet who doesn't like a character I like a gynophobe. In addition I am also going to ignore the fact that the anon I'm speaking to clearly likes the show because the fact he could enjoy something with a majority female cast goes against my argument. It couldn't be that the anon dislikes her for other reasons even if I do not agree with them myself which is entirely ok he clearly has ISSUES. It's true. You can't dislike a female character for any other reason. It's true. I read it on Jezebel.

>I also take every statement somebody says at face value without trying to find tone. Therefore 'when are they going to kill off x' literally means "I want a child to die" to me. The world is a disturbing and immature place with all these child-killers walking about!"

How do you even function?

>>85817250
I'm going to try walking back being so glib earlier because I can tell from this post that you're actually trying to argue in good faith here even if you filled it with pointless spoilers

>The show goes to extreme lengths to show that humans are no match for gems unless they work together
>No? Every time humans have defeated gems of any sort that have had assistance from eachother. When gems are coming to beach city they all fucking evacuate. The fact that the humans need the crystal gems to protect them at all is another point towards this argument.

Yeah, these are two different points, Gem stuff is usually treated as too dangerous for people to handle but the strength of the Gems is mainly determined by plot convenience, their strength vs humans isn't something the writers really seem to be giving too much attention to - there's not really enough there to be claiming that the show is trying to show that humans need to work together to defeat the threat of the alien Gems or anything like that much less be using terms like "extreme lengths" in this context, I don't really think the show is trying to convey any sort of message about how humans can defeat Gems and I don't think the show's ever going to do humans vs. Homeworld or anything like that at all; it's not that kind of show. That's what I was getting at with the "shonen battlin" thing. Also Sadie beat one with a sharpened stick and a bunch of sentient watermelons were instrumental in beating the strongest Gem fusion the protags have fought thus far

>>85818207
I'm sort of done now mate. You make good points in this but you sort of killed it. You came into a enjoyable, spirited and heated discussion about frivolous things and made a post that was entirely shit-flinging with no attached argument. Only a matter of time before that happens on 4chan I guess. Next time: Open with this instead, it's pretty valid but my enthusiasm to continue is gone. Letting you know so you're not sitting around waiting for replies from me.

>>85817250
>>85818207
>"I feel like constructing a strawman from my psychology armchair so I'm going to ignore how massively out of character it is for Steven Who's core character trait is that he is a peace-maker to get into the state he was Rather than Connie who has been shown to get tunnel-vision when she gets an objective in her head in...

First off, I'm not really a feminist by any definition that would satisfy 95% of serious feminists, maybe I just don't get the precocious girl character thing because I didn't have a little sister or something? Also I didn't mean to imply that the people here who line up to bitch about how Lisa treated Bart in episode 12 of season 47 of the Simpsons are potential serial killers or whatever, just pathetic. As to your actual point here Connie is socially awkward, anxious and repressed, of course her reaction to Kevin is going to be more restrained than Steven's, and the episode never showed that she didn't want revenge, she said she did and went along with the whole racing plan. Also Steven's anger here was uncharacteristic but sometimes people act in ways that people who know them find uncharacteristic, it was considered uncharacteristic by the other characters and Kevin and Steven's issues with Kevin himself are different enough from the stuff with Lapis or the Cluster or whatever that it's believable he'd react differently

>>85802140
Story wise
It makes the most sense to kill Garnet
Or one of her halves

>>85802140
No

>>85818961
i was actually disappointed but not surprised the sapphire swarm scene wasn't her somehow actually separated from ruby for an episode or so.

>>85810681
>EXTREME LENGTHS

But seriously glad it didn't take long for you to get exposed for your stupidity.

As people pointed out, sadie was able to best one and connie has only ever been able to fight against them with steven's help.,.and you know...after training specifically to fight them.

I see people bring this thing up about the angry steven thing a lot, and the thing I think people seem to overlook or forget is that, it wasn't just kevin being a dick to steven or overreacting to a guy just asking a girl to dance that made steven hate him, Steven was literally fused with the girl he loves. Sharing her thoughts and feelings, we saw clearly she was already feeling anxiety issues before that point and kevin only made her feel worse. So however irrational people may feel a 12 year old girl with anxiety issues being mad a guy clearly much older than her trying to get her to do something she doesn't feel comfortable with is acting, if she was in essence your girlfriend and you were 13 and you could literally feel her pain, it's not a stretch to say you'd hate that person too.

Needless to say btw your thing on connie's parents is a comical reach.

>>85810814
>Somehow is able to fight super human gem monsters

Guess Sadie is a mary sue too

>Can keep up with [sic] Halo Pearl
Literally a training robot

>Is never wrong always gets her way
Her introductory episode literally has her break down in despair and have steven have to get her out of it

Came up with the idea to hop on a bus and run away without any sort of plan and got immediately caught and was clearly shown to be in the wrong for it

fucked up again in love letters by writing in place of garnet rather then letting garnet speak for herself.

Almost becomes a Drone after training which albeit was with pearl's instruction was something she was willing to become had she not been guided away from it.

Thinks she's hot shit in Gem hunt then almost gets killed when she's unprepared.

> Sugar puts accidentally hurting someone equal to Steven accidentally killing someone

The show wasn't making them equal situations, it was making a point on the proper way to deal with guilt. if it was saying the problems were exactly the same then we wouldn't have had to see steven succumb later after connie was healed.

>>85802140
Hopefully they all die when the show gets cancelled

>>85824253
You say that like Sadie isn't an awkwardly written character given no more than a sympathetic wrong that ends up with no permanent consequences for her.

Though that's half the cast so....

>>85802140

Probably not connie. Most likely lapis or possibly garnet for shock value.

>>85820007
That wouldn't make any fucking sense

>>85824253
Why do people try to compare the severity of Connie's and Steven's problems? That's not really what the point of the episode was.

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>>85805698
>Steven unfuses
>Connie just pops out as a decaying corpse

>>85802140

No? It's a fucking kids show, they aren't going to kill a little girl.

>>85810817

> Isn't universally adored by all characters
The only main characters who even interact with her are Steven and Pearl.
> Isn't perfect/highly skilled
She broke down and didn't attack out of fear when she went on her first mission against an actual gem creature, she's reasonably skilled with a sword, but pretty much every character except maybe Steven outdoes her in terms of strength and technique.

The most we've really seen her fight against alone are shambling gem shard monsters, which are pretty weak. The only time she'd ever be an actual threat is as Stevonnie, and in that case, it's Steven providing most of the strength, the shield, and the floating ability.

So please go on about how she's a mary sue just because you don't like her character.

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>>85825912
>So please go on about how she's a mary sue just because you don't like her character.
this may become a meme, i'll use it when I need it.

>>85825912
>>85826082
forgot to add this, thanks based anon.

>>85802146
>sugar
>not Kat Morris

>>85802140
I hope so, she's shit and easily one of the worst parts of the show.

>>85810769
One of the other Rubies shows up, Sapphire fuses with that one, making an evil crazy Garnet.

>>85815041

Speaking as a former precocious little boy, that shit gets you hurt. Ways and means differ, but being a geeky, precocious type is usually a recipe for a lonely, miserable, childhood.

I don't know if this makes sense; but when you're hurt, sometimes it's immensely infuriating to see someone similar who isn't; and immensely satisfying to to see or imaging them getting hurt in the same way you were.

This is not to say its universal, nor is it something that people shouldn't work to get over. I mean, they're fictional characters after all.

I don't know, really. All I know is that some of the hate that gets thrown around does seem at least somewhat comprehensible in terms that are not immediately reducible to "just hates women".

>>85826553

Do you imagine Sapphire fusing with a different Ruby would make a 'different' garnet, looks wise, I mean.

Or would it just look like candy floss Garnet just with a different personality? IMO it'd be more interesting if she looked totally different.

>>85802158
This. I can't possibly see perma-death for her

>>85802140
If anyone has the balls (and cock) to kill someone it's Greg. He's done it before and he'll do it again if aroused. That's why he can't spend much time around Connie as her pheromones are like catnip to him.

>>85826635
This is a good post, thank you for replying. Yeah, not an angle I'd considered but now that you've mentioned it any time cartoons or comics or whatever in which nerdy kids get bullied come up /co/ does have a weird tendency to cough up a half-dozen "actually bullying the weak is good and right"-type posts that obviously come from a place of cringing preemptive self-loathing and don't really have anything to do with the gender of the characters in question so you're probably onto something

>>85802644
Have you seen this show? They trigger me all the time about talking about abusive relationships, genocide, ptsd talk therapy, and all that jazz. The show has been on point the last 12 episodes to have something to get you deep in the feels HARD

>>85825698
They said the same thing about Evangelion

>>85827994

Evangelion wasn't for little kids, more for like, 14+ at least. They even had to move its airing time to a later slot because the show got way darker and they didn't want kids watching.

SU is meant to be watchable from like 8+ and is completely different in tone anyway.

>>85827540

Everyone on 4chan is miserable and wants everybody else to be miserable too.

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>>85811254
Why not?
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10200917/5/Everyone-Makes-Mistakes

Nope

Pearl on the other hand......