Gotham Showrunner Doesn't Think Superhero TV Works

I mean he's demonstrably wrong.

anyway guess Gotham ain't getting saved when the Anti-Moniter shows up

>>85791191

Sorry about the IGN tag i copy pasted some of the quotes from there.

But anyway I feel guys like this are apart of the problem. They think of superhero tv as Adam West and they can't take it seriously. Meanwhile superhero tv has been better than some of the movies lately on both sides of the big two.

>>85791191

This producer sounds like such an idiot. He runs one of the weakest comic book tv shows and only gets numbers because of the title.

If he realized people watch the show because they want MORE comic book stuff then it would be so much better.

>>85791191
If he said because of SFX budget limitations lessened the scope of what can be made to look visually appealing while capturing the grandeur of the super heroes actions, this would have been reasonable criticism.

I think the problem is that the bad guy of the week setup is boring. I'd rather have a Netflix type setup that's like a 13 hr movie then what we get from arrow/flash. I will say I think Gotham is the best of the tv network shows though

>>85791191
This guy and that hack Snyder would get on great.

>>85791191
>it seems to be ashamed of it being a comic book show

Really? Gotham? That's your conclusion? The show that literally brought people back from the dead and cast them as God's Avenging angel with swords?
They are weird comments for him to make because the show is shamelessly stupid as shit sometimes. The only problem with the show is they are so desperate to actually have Batman but cannot.

Though in a way he's right. Superhero shows don't work IF YOU DON'T HAVE A SUPERHERO AS THE MAIN CHARACTER. You've got fucking Gordon as your main character, and he's pretty much almost as corrupt as everyone he tries to take down now.

>>85791316

I agree many characters would simply be too expensive as a show ie Nova or Green Lantern. But Hawkeye or Batgirl shit Moon Knight and Question should all be tv shows.

Him criticizing costumes is abit silly because Daredevil, Green Arrow, Supergirl, Flash have problems but the costumes were fine.

>>85791341

Eh that's the thing. Gotham has been amping up meta humans and villains because they realized that's what sells.

I'm saying they are ashamed because Batman isn't in the show and it's called Gotham. If they called it GCPD or Gordon it would have been cancelled half way through the first season like it deserved.

>>85791330

Netflix set up proves how dumb this Gotham producer sounds. Daredevil and Jessica Jones have a few pacing problems but they have villains and characters that are much more compelling then anything in the fucking Marvel movies. Which is kind of sad but whatever. DC is abit odd because they have a traditional network season so they have to spread it out more and end up with a monster of the week/X-files set up. That being said both types of shows have their problems but literally Gotham and Agents of Shield are the worst. I can't believe they haven't been cancelled. They both have the same problem of not actually featuring cape ship at all and just using the brand to keep getting viewers.

>>85791191
>TV is about real people and faces, and not so much about magic and the supernatural things
Come the fuck on, man. Some popstars and celebrities can go outside and wear batshit insane clothing, but people will still eat it up. Shit like True Blood and Supernatural were pretty damn popular for a while, so I don't even want to hear about magic and the supernatural not being able to work on TV.

I like Gotham and I enjoy watching it, but that man is fucking stupid.

>>85791385
Gotham introduced the Venom serum in season 1 anon
they aren't afraid of the cape stuff they just have to deal with the show constraints

>>85791385
It's called Gotham and it's about Gotham.

>>85791191
/co/ - Social Media & Newsite Outrage

I wonder what things would be like if DC had it's own thing like Marvel does without Warner Bros. fucking everything up.

>>85791486
WB don't influence DC much more than Disney does Marvel.

>>85791191
>and not so much about magic and the supernatural things."

Isn't GoT amazingly popular

>>85791555

and GoT hasn't even reached it's final form

>>85791540
Then what the fuck has been going wrong?

Don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to start a /v/-tier company war. I love both Marvel and DC, but I want to know what the fuck happened.

>>85791555
In spite of the fantasy not because of it. At least as far as the show.

>>85791486
WB doesn't have its own channel anymore
I mean CW kinda replaced the WB channel for basic but a lot of their tv properties are spread out on different networks

>>85791572
>>85791572
We better get Salsa titties by the finale.

>>85791618
Nah, it's not in spite of the fantasy at all.

It's that it's one of the first shows with the budget to do fantasy justice visually in a long form format.

>>85791191
Doesn't this show have Firefly, Mr. Freeze, Azrael, even Fish, running around in costumes?

He's only half wrong. TV is about real faces and people. Supernatural or fantastical elements should only ever be the backdrop for interesting or grounded characters. That's why shows like Buffy or Star Trek worked so well.

It's retarded that he thinks that this prevents Superheroes from working on the screen though

>>85791623
We got Sand Viper tits. I'm content.

>>85791191
thats weird that he says that, because he was the most comic-booky shows on tv

>>85791191
damn what a semen demon that ivy is

I'm so sick of DC getting these talentless fucking hacks.

>>85791355
Y'know, the various Star Treks got away with a lot of space and laser shit on a budget that amounted to high school lunch money per episode. Makes me wonder what the superhero shows are spending it all on that they couldn't do a TV Green Lantern. He just makes see-thru shapes, in one color. It's a license to make the CGI look fake on fuckin' purpose.

>>85791191
I agree for different reasons.

Capes largely fail because they suck up too much budget to look good. And even then you get shit that just doesn't quite cut it.

This can be skatted around by using heroes who could translate well to the small screen (Batman, Luke Cage, etc) or getting a good director that knows how to make their shit work (Thinking something like Farscape)

A good recenter comparison is IZombie vs. SuperGirl/Flash. One tried to fit in for the tv world, a bit at the cost of the source material. The other tries to translate everything making it hyper cringe and cheap at times.

>>85791191
What abt GoT? That's all costumes and make believe and magic.

>>85791191
Well based on the show Gotham, he might have a point.

>>85792426
That's HBO, which we all know isn't tv.

>>85791191
Well I don't think Gotham works so...

>>85791191
It's not like Gotham has many capes so it makes sense he'd think that.

Most cape we've seen so far is Azrael being badass and Freeze.

This next season seems to be different but I doubt it'll change much

>>85791266
>weakest comic book tv shows
>implying Gotham isn't the best capeshit show
Bitch please, only Flash tickles it's balls a bit but it's not nearly as good.

>>85792426
>>85791852
GoT doesn't really do much fantasy early on. Even later on, it's just the dragons and just recently the whitewalkers.

But the big pull is the drama and fighting. The fantasy is more background story to propel characters and plot forward when they need a kick.

If it wasn't for the fantasy, Dany would probably be dead and Jon would probably have been banished elsewhere or died with Rob

The Mentalist was literally a superhero show though.

What's with DC movie/TV creators and chronic "foot in mouth" syndrome?

Does Bruno Heller even do much in the show anymore?

>>85791191

So he's trying to get fired?

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>"TV is about real people"
This is the stupidest fucking thing I've ever heard, woooo baby no wonder Gotham's horseshit

>>85792681

No it was just a procedural with a memetagonist. An old twist on an older template.

Whatever they've been doing Superman on TV since the 50's it works fine with a good team behind the project.

>>85791191
Well of course the Gotham team thinks this, their show is terrible and only gained momentum because they started whipping out the bad guys regardless if it made any sense

>>85791191
TV Budgets don't work

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If we're extending this to any live action tv and movie format, I agree.

Capes only work (or at least work best) in comic format or animated series format. Such mediums give the creative teams the most possible resources to develop their stories, settings, and characters with the least amount of limitations in regards to artistic license.

>>85791191
Smallville was a big success and ran for a ridiculous number of seasons, but also:

the reason Smallville initially didn't want to use the Superman outfit was that Clark would have to be Superman. He couldn't be Superboy - WB didn't get the rights to Superboy back until 2005 - so there was a danger they'd be sued (they'd actually sued the crap out of the rightsholder prior to the Lois & Clark show starting in order to force an actual Superboy show off the air) for using a character/setting they didn't really own (which was their own fault).

By the time they got it back in-house, Smallville had been going for four seasons and knew it was getting more - but it clearly didn't need the costume and they probably felt there was no real benefit to changing up a successful formula to bring that in, since the low-key Superman angle seemed to be working, and they had a movie all ready to go that might confuse the issue or cause infighting at the studio if producers felt they were competing for the same property (I know they're doing Superman on Supergirl as well as in the movies now, but this was over a decade ago when nobody did that kind of thing).

>>85791191
>I personally feel that he sounds idiotic because while Gotham can be dumb fun it's one of the weaker comic book shows out there. Big part of it's problem is it seems to be ashamed of it being a comic book show.

I guess I still dont know what that phrase means since last season had Mr freeze and firefly in a duel, one of the first Azreals, and several other crazy comic book level scenarios so that doesn't seem ashamed

>>85793895
Gotham is basically Tim Burton's wet dream. Agreed, I think OP is deluded here.

>>85791330
>I think the problem is that the bad guy of the week setup is boring.
If it was about people traveling around the works or son law enforcement I get the style but you would think after a while there would be more continuous storyline shows. The occasional fluff adventure is fine but like every action show is the same even the non comic ones.

I would argue that live action comic adaptations ONLY work in TV because of longform storytelling and episodic character development being staples of comics.

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>>85792017
Indeed.

>>85791191
I'd be more willing to listen to his opinion if he didn't crash and burn the last good show he had and let the network turn it into a generic procedural.

We're just now starting to get costumed superheroes on TV again, but the shows will never get any better than they are now if this mentality persists.

>>85791191
>I dont think serial media translates to serial media
What a fucking idiot

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>>85791191
>>85794393
D-Damn, Red. Whatta kinda concoctions have ya taking lately?

>>85791191
He's an idiot justifying and rationalizing his choices.

It's fine if you don't want to tell that story, but saying you can't just demonstrates your failure as a creator.

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>>85791191

>has exclusive TV live action rights to Batman character
>doesn't use Batman because he doesn't think superheroes work very well on TV

>>85791598
Marvel has Feige. WB has Snyder.

About the best way I can sum it up

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>>85795073
Miracle-Gro.

>>85795202
It's for the best. Kid Bruce is probably better than any Batman we would have gotten.

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>>85795333
Wow Red, ya concoction work miracles

>>85791191

Well I was never planning on watching Gotham anyway.

>>85795333
My dick is going to explode

>>85795202
i like having the show from Gordon's perspective

he's more relateable than batman, so we get to see gotham from more of a "normie" perspective

>>85791191
>Big part of it's problem is it seems to be ashamed of it being a comic book show.
I think you are a idiot.

>>85798682

Why? Producer thinks superhero costumes don't work on tv. When we all know they fucking do.

Whats so idiotic about that?

Especially coming from the producer of one of the worse cape shows.

>>85795333

Much better choice for Ivy but how the fuck are they going to explain this?

Are they just finally realizing the show works better if people are in there 20s and 30s and not fucking children?

>>85795202

Literally stupidest thing ever. Waste of the rights.

I like watching Gotham for some of the villains now and then but it's not very good.

Wouldn't even feel bad if it was cancelled.

>>85795305

WB has Geoff Johns now you mean.

>>85793981

Fuck Tim Burton.

The show feels like 60s Batman in a bad way except Batman isn't even in the fucking show. Some of the villains are good but 10 minutes of gold out of 40 minutes of crap isn't great.

I don't even think it's the worst cape show I've seen but it's nowhere near the best kind of sad considering they have access to fucking BATMAN CHARACTERS.

Total failure.

>>85793473

Exactly.

Show only is good when they embrace the zany Batman villains. Even then it's pretty campy and terrible.

This producer is basically saying "I'm out of touch, I don't know what the competition is doing, superhero costumes are stupid and do you remember Adam West and Burt Ward? Fuck putting Batman in OUR show."

What a garbage person.

>>85798729
I think it's stupid for thinking Gotham of all shows is ashamed of comic book shows when it's probably the most comicbooky show on tv. You have to be a real idiot, that never seen the show to say something like that.

>>85792255

I think if they can make Supergirl work with a smaller budget on the CW and shit like Legends working then I don't see why getting a Nova or a Green Lantern show would be so hard.

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>>85791191

This is funny because even Arrow despite it's problems is a better show than Gotham primarily because Oliver Queen actually looks and dresses like Green Arrow.

Gotham is weird because the show might as well be called "Batman" but Bruce is 12 for some reason and Batman will never appear. Literally the most boring part of Bruce's life. Fuck Gotham.

>>85798899

I've seen every episode of Gotham man. It's campy and fun but not really comic booky. Batman hasn't been like that since the 60s which goes to show how fucking out of touch these showrunners are.

The times it gets close to the comics ie Year One, Court of Owls is cool but it really doesn't make sense without Bruce being an adult that's starting out as Batman.

They are just being tools using the branding GOTHAM to get autoviewers but not giving us the most interesting residents of that universe is sinful to me.

>>85798745
One of Strange's freaks has the power to age people to death with a touch. He grabs her, but she gets away before the process is done.

>>85793396

Superheroes working on tv is debatable.

"Tv is about real people."

yeah bullshit

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>>85794118

/this

Close thread.

Literally the only way capes make sense is on tv. You have anywhere from a dozen to two dozen hours of superhero action while The 2 hr origin movie / team up movie paradigm is shit to me at this point.

>>85791191
>it's one of the weaker comic book shows out there
>Big part of it's problem is it seems to be ashamed of it being a comic book show.

Who let Bizzaro in here?

>>85798649

I like Gordon on the show but I hate this "relateable" meme.

I like characters who aren't like me at all what's with all this faggy self insert crap? I don't want to be/be around Batman or Daredevil in real life but I sure as fuck like reading about him etc.

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>>85798989
It doesn't have to copy the comics to be a comic book show. The fact that Gotham's stories and characters could easy to be from a comics what does.

I swear as soon as people try something different faggots always think that the people working on the show(or movies) don't understand/care about the characters/world. But if they actual read comics they would know that there are many stories of classic characters that have main different interpretations of them and the world the live in.

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>>85799145

I like it but lets not pretend Gotham is even in the top 5.

It's campy and fun but it's quite terrible and feels like a massive wasted opportunity considering the characters they have access to.

>>85799164

Yes I get it's another entry into the Batman mythos which uses various Batman characters with different takes on them.

I just don't think it's a great depiction. I like a few of the villains but it's a mostly forgettable and silly show.

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>>85799164

Why are you defending Gotham? The show is fun but it's barely tolerable. Also the people who work on it sound like fucking idiots.

>>85791191
>I personally feel that he sounds idiotic because while Gotham can be dumb fun it's one of the weaker comic book shows out there.

Gotham is the best cape show we have, though. Surely you don't think any of the CW shows besides iZombie are anywhere close to competent?

>Big part of it's problem is it seems to be ashamed of it being a comic book show.
Have you ever fucking watched it? Because I can't imagine a more demonstrably wrong statement.

What do you even fucking mean? It doesn't have enough random references like Flash? It doesn't adapt enough stories from the comics? Well no shit, its timeline doesn't overlap an existing continuity.

>Advertising it as a show about Super/Batman but never letting those characters show up or do anything.
They literally pitched it as a show not about Batman. It was advertised as a show about the denizens of Gotham City before Batman showed up.That's exactly what it is.

>>85791266
>He runs one of the BEST comic book tv shows

ftfy

>If he realized people watch the show because they want MORE comic book stuff then it would be so much better.
Did you only watch the first episode or some shit?

>>85791385
>I'm saying they are ashamed because Batman isn't in the show and it's called Gotham

http://deadline.com/2013/09/commissioner-gordon-fox-tv-series-drama-595831/

>In one of the biggest drama deals this season, after a bidding war, Fox has landed Gotham, from Warner Bros. TV and The Mentalist creator Bruno Heller, with a series commitment. For Gotham, Warner Bros TV is mining one of DC Comics‘ most popular character universes, Batman. It explores the origin stories of Commissioner James Gordon and the villains who made Gotham City famous. In Gotham, Gordon is still a detective with the Gotham City Police Department and has yet to meet Batman, who will not be part of the series.

LITERALLY the entire concept of the series is the origin of everyone but Batman. You are fucking stupid.

>Gotham has been amping up meta humans and villains because they realized that's what sells.
Except the producers have said that every time they add Metahumans their ratings DROP.

>>85799235
In your opinion. I'm sure there are plenty that think the show is very enjoyable. If you don't like the world Gotham is set in, move on.
>>85799247
Why do you care that I'm defending it? OP made a stupid statement and I'm going to call him on his bullshit.

>>85791430
Well Daredevil is fucking terrible and JJ is entirely about shitting on the concept of superheroes plus muh feminism, so I don't know where you're getting this shit.

>literally Arrow and Agents of Shield are the worst.


ftfy fampai

>>85799247
>Why are you defending Gotham?

Because it's good. Why are you getting riled up about people liking quality?

>>85798745
Too bad they can't do the same with Bruce.

>>85799193
>I like it but lets not pretend Gotham is even in the top 5.

But it is.

Gotham, Batman '66, 90s Flash, Wonder Woman, and Bixby's Hulk are the top 5 comic book adaptions.

While I'd very much like to see fewer superheroes on tv (and in films), the part about "magic and supernatural beings" sounds nonsensical to me.

Sometimes cape shows are fantasy, sometimes they're sci-fi, sometimes they're drama, sometimes they're comedy (e.g.g Batman '66), sometimes they're all of these things.

Sometimes you also have successful shows with any or all of these things, and no capes. Look at the Star Trek version of your choice. Look at Battlestar Galactica (the more recent one). Look at Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

Anything can be made to work on tv -- you just need decent storytelling.

>>85798935
>NOT MUH BATMAN
>praising Arrow

You need to fucking kill yourself immediately.

>>85798989
>It's campy and fun but not really comic booky.
>not really comic booky.

Please explain this in any way, because it makes zero fucking sense. The show is about heroes solving larger-than-life problems in a fantastical world. Just because Jim Gordon doesn't wear tights doesn't mean it isn't """""""""comic booky"""""""""

>>85795374
this desu.

>>85796252
You should. It's like you combined BTAS and Batman '89.

>>85794429
>I'd be more willing to listen to his opinion if he didn't crash and burn the last good show he had and let the network turn it into a generic procedural.

what show is that?

>faggot responsible for some of the most awful pieces of shit on TV says something stupid
Shocker.

>>85798867
Burton made objectively the best Batman movies

>>85799588
>faggot responsible for some of the most awful pieces of shit on TV says something stupid

You're mixing up creators, m8. He didn't make Flash OR Arrow.

Fuck this new ivy shit its the most blatent fucking piece of shitty fanservice i have seen in years.

>>85799164
What's ridiculous is that Gotham is one of the most accurate comic shows ever made, in tone, attitude, and continuity.

People shitting on it for being "inaccurate" because somebody else uses the name "Firefly" before Lynns then turning around and praising a show where Earth 2 is Earth 3 and Jay Garrick is a murderer Barry Allen goes through dads like tissues is fucking unreal.

>>85799622
Fuck off, Gothamfag, Your garbage show is every bit as unwatchable as those pieces of shit.

>>85799737
Nah. Unlike those Gotham is actually well made, and has plots that makes sense.

And of those, only Arrow is worse than DD.

>>85799769
>Gotham is actually well made, and has plots that makes sense.
I swear, pretending to like Gotham is trolling because no one could have taste this shit.

>>85799825
You should actually watch it instead of just memeing my man.

>>85799769
FUCK YOU.

Daredevil is THE greatest superhero adaptation. Ever. there is no contest.

>>85799830
>M-MUH GARBAGE IS GOOD, YOU JUSS DIN WATCH IT
Kill yourself, you tasteless faggot.

>>85799853

there's two damning sins Daredevil commits:

Number one is that the dialogue is sophomoric and is delivered in the worst ways possible. People don't talk- they recite speeches like Rorschach's internal monologues at each other.

The second is that the whole thing looks ridiculously cheap. The best comparison is a film student's undergraduate project, or a low budget teleplay- the framing of each individual shot tends to be straight-on, which makes it look like it was shot on a camcorder. The sets are sparse and flat, and I swear I've seen sets that are supposed to be complex. They don't try and build a world with them; they're just places for things to happen in. And the choreography is some of the worst I've seen in anything above a daytime Soap Opera. Everyone knows fights in film are faked, but the ways they're faked in film differs from stage shows.

The best example of this I can give you is Frank's prison fight- whenever he stabs someone, he slides his fingers forwards over the "blade" and bumps them with the butt of his hand. This is common in stage shows because it's easy and you aren't looking too closely, or in movies when it's shot from a proper angle. Daredevil shoots this straight on, so you can see him not stab the other person. This is really poor form, and destroys any illusion that the fight is happening.

It's not just that, though; every punch is from the elbow, people are clearly punched past, and the whole thing generally looks like a bunch of kids playing.

Then there's the hallway fight that people praise, where the Daredevil "actor" over-theatrically plays up being "tired" like a silent movie actor would. If you watch it with the sound off it looks like a Marx Brothers skit, especially when he ducks people's punches and tries to do jumping kicks off the wall.

There's a ton of other problems (the pacing, the so called "comic relief," the costume...) But the blatantly bad filmmaking is something I can't forgive

>>85799873
Not this piece of shit pasta again,

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>>85791191
>it's one of the weaker comic book shows out there

Gotham > 90's Flash > Batman '66 > iZombie > Wonder Woman '77 > Hulk > Smallville > Isis/Captain Marvel > Daredevil S1 > Flash S1 > Birds of Prey > Supergirl > Flash S2 > Legends of Tomorrow > Everything else > Cow shit > Jessica Jones > Arrow

>>85791330
Who cares? I like the occasional bad guy of the week episodes, they keep the main plot fresh while still bringing something new. If every single episode in a season was 100% focused on the main plot/villain and nothing else it would get stale and boring fast

>>85799890
That's not an argument.

>>85791330
>bad guy of the week setup

that's only the first half of the first season

>>85799873
They're all obviously after a target audience who isn't smart enough to be annoyed by how generic stuff looks, how idiotic a lot of the scenes are, how awful most of the characters are. For example, many scenes have characters draw their weapons but, nobody gets hurt or shot. This kind of false drama is a trick bad writers use to escalate tension without actually influencing the story or developing their characters. Netflix goes to this well so often.

They also dislike painting a negative picture of the characters they want you to root for. Probably the best example of this is when Punisher buys a bunch of illegal equipment. The sleazy salesman sees his face. I'm questioning The Punisher's intelligence. Then the truth is revealed: The guy selling the equipment is like "OH BTW I HAVE HORRIBLE ILLEGAL PORNOGRAPHY" and then Punisher is like "yeah I'll kill this guy." Which hides his tracks and ties the scene together too perfectly. I mean, he's a vigilante murderer buying illegal surveillance equipment. Wouldn't he just kill this goon? But Netflix doesn't want him to be unlikable, so they paint this salesman as such a disgusting sleaze that nobody cares when he's killed. Because they're trying to control how you feel about the show, and about Punisher. It's bad television.

But /co/'s bad taste brigade loves it. Honestly Punisher will be a perfect choice for Netflix. They want the Hot Topic audience and he's a psychotic killer. But I hate it, and would prefer an Astro City show. Something good.

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>>85791191
>"I don’t think superheroes work very well on TV,"

>>85791191
Why does the WB give their properties to people who openly shit on them?

Also
>Have one of the worst comic shows on TV
>Say that superhero shows don't work

>>85801135
>Have one of the worst comic shows on TV

He runs Gotham, m8

>>85801149
>Proving my point

>>85801193
That means he doesn't make the worst comic book show. It means the opposite.

>>85799584
The Mentalist. A slightly more unique crime drama in a sea of crime dramas, on the channel that prides itself on being a sea of crime dramas (CBS).

It managed to maintain a great long running mystery up until halfway through the second to last season, where it was not only retconned, but ended abruptly in favor of a tone more inline with CBS' other procedurals.

>>85799354

oh boy, another smallville fiasco

let me guess, the last episode will be bruno wayme using a bad cgi batman custome with an inverted bat for copyright reasons?

>>85801277
>$0.27 has been credited to your account

People still believe this sort of bullshit?

If anything, superheroes are more suited towards tv than movies considering the serialized nature of them. More closer to the comics than the film medium, that's for sure.

>>85801347
ebin shitpost, disnigger

>>85801316
We are two seasons in and you're just now getting buttblasted about this?

How ignorant and uninformed are you?

Sage for cuck thread.

I like Gotham but honestly if you took Riddler and Penguin out of the show it would be the worst capeshit ever made, possibly the worst prime time television show ever made. >Muh Gordon and Bruce's adventures with Fish and Assrael do not a good television show make.

>>85801673
Objectively wrong.

>>85801087
Yeah, it's fucking stupid. I mean, on top of classic superhero tv shows that were popular in their heyday and very fondly remembered, like George Reeve's Superman, Lynda Carter WW, the Incredible Hulk, Smallville, etc., you also have Japanese tokusatsu and everything derived from that, which have their own huge, dedicated fanbases and have always been a staple of television depending on what country you live in.

Shit like this is why I don't care for normalfags. And then you have fantasy and sci-fi shows like GoT and Star Trek that are absolutely huge too.

>>85801714
>And then you have fantasy and sci-fi shows like GoT and Star Trek that are absolutely huge too.
>sci-fi shows like Star Trek

What network is Star Trek playing on?

>>85801781
>there was 18 years of Star Trek continuously on television across 4 shows from 1987 to 2005
>because there's been no show since means Star Trek isn't an example of sci-fi not being possible and popular on TV
Just because there hasn't been any shows for 11 years doesn't mean the shows when they were around weren't great and popular (aside from Voyager and Enterprise, and mostly the latter). The Next Generation is an iconic of televised sci-fi, and television in general, and what the genre can do. And we got a new show coming out soon anyway.

Star Trek isn't on air now because sci-fi "doesn't work" for TV, it's because the middling writing of the last two shows resulted in them being poorly received and then the franchise left in hiatus until the newer movies. There's other sci-fi shows with good press, less iconic but still notable, over the years too. As little as I care for, the Expanse has gotten great press. Older shows, like Battlestar Galactica and Babylon 5 also stand out of examples of how a show can have fantastical elements and do well on television.

The central point is that the guy's line about "TV is about real people and faces, and not so much about magic and the supernatural things" is asinine. The last point about "magic and the supernatural things" is quite simply false. He's just blowing hot air and talking up his show.

>>85801087
I always wondered, is there a particular reason why these jap characters always have enormous bug-like eyes on their masks?

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>>85802307
The original Kamen Rider was based on a grasshopper. It's sort of a tradition for the series to use bug eyes in the designs of main riders.

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>>85802307
Because they're based on bugs most of the time and it's a throwback to the original Rider having it.

>>85792536
both flash and gotham are fucking awful

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>"I don’t think superheroes work very well on TV," Heller told The Hollywood Reporter at the Edinburgh Television Festival.

>>85802734
He meant for prime time, not kiddy fare like Power Rangers.

>>85791191
I think TV is in theory a better place for super heroes. Its an originally serialized piece of media adapted into a commonly serialized medium unlike film where the greatest works are stand alone one off events.

>>85798649
>Gordon
>relatable

are we talk about the same person who has a boner every time he can kill a bad guy? that madman is relatable to you? I mean, I love Gordon but If ihe was real, I wouldn't be on the same room with him for more than 5 second.

>>85803195

The big issue is the show can't decide if he's a goodey-two-shoes hero or a Vic Mackey lunatic, so they made him both at the same time and switch characterization whenever it's convenient.

It's like Bruno Heller watched Life on Mars and wanted the lead to be both main characters at the same time. I have zero connection to Gordon as a character because he's a glorified prop who becomes whatever the episode needs him to be at that point in time.

>>85803233
Honestly, I wouldn't be surprise if this Gordon became two face later on.

>>85799938

HAHAHA NOPE

Having Birds of Prey above anything...what a tasteless shitbag. Gotham at the top top kek.

>>85802815

Exactly man.

TV is a much better format for superheroes. I'd rather get hours and hours of Daredevil and Flash instead of a dumb movie every two years that has to cater to a crowd that doesn't know anything. Atleast with tv shows you can build and build for the audience and it isn't force to be entry level a few seasons in if that makes sense.

>>85801496

Superhero movies have been mostly garbage to me. Literally 90% I walk out thinking I just saw a 5 or 6/10 flick.

Superhero tv shows all have there problems but they are much better depictions of obscure characters that we will never get in the movies ie Purple Man or the Atom etc.

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>>85799938

Nope Nope.

It's 90s Flash, Batman 66, Wonder Woman 77, Hulk, Captain Marvel, Flash, Daredevil, Legends of Tomorrow, Supergirl, iZombie, Jessica Jones, Arrow, Constantine, Smallville, Gotham, Agents of Shield, Agent Carter, Birds of Prey.

>>85793733

Capes work in comics, cartoons, videogames, tv shows then movies in that order.

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>>85791447

I agree that Gotham is pretty great but this producer sounds so out of touch. There is a reason Supernatural and Xfiles went on for 10 plus years. Or why Star Trek is still a thing. People don't want to watch sitcoms and medium shots or shit with laugh tracks exclusively. Sci fi and fantasy is probably more popular now then it ever was.

This Heller guy can eat a dick.

>>85791191

"I don’t think superheroes work very well on TV." Nah they are better off on TV.

"Probably because of the costume thing." Now he just sounds dumb.

I like Gotham but if people like this are running it...sort of explains alot.

Superheroes is a vague concept. Extensive shared universe of bullshit doesn't work very well anywhere. Especially if it's welded from disconnected parts.

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I wonder what Haim Saban thinks about superhero tv.

>>85803417
police procedurals like Law and Order went on for over 20 years

>>85802307

Kamen Rider, bug heroes. Japanese love Spider Man. SONY fuckin owns him lol

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>>85791191
>As for why he believes this to be the case, Heller said it's "probably because of the costume thing," adding that "TV is about real people and faces, and not so much about magic and the supernatural things."

Wut? There are 100s of successful fantasy and science fiction shows full of costumes.

>>85804204
you mean Japan

>>85791240
No problem

>>85807905
>Wut? There are 100s of successful fantasy and science fiction shows full of costumes.
they take place in worlds where everyone else wears costumes, too

they don't take place in a normal modern world where no one wears costumes except on halloween except one group of people who happen to have godlike powers (that, also, no one else has)

I watched only the pilot and found it kind of shit, like most cape shows has something charming about them, this one seems edgy and dumb

Also, best cape show is (ignoring Netflix) Agents of SHIELD

He's not wrong about the costumes, they all look like shit.

I think some costumes and sfx on a TV budget, wait let me fix that, on a basic cable budget, won't cut it.