New Marvel Teaser

>>85787893
x-men stuff ?

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>>85787893

Lol @ Mcniven getting top billing

When was the last time an artist was above the writer?

>>85787893
>Cullen Bunn
>Steve Mcniven
Into the bin of mediocrity.

it's going to be wolverine isn't it
they're reprinting a lot of his best stories this fall and winter

>>85787910
Dormammu______

>>85787949
People care?

>>85788020
Reminds me of the 90's

>>85787949
They know who's gonna sell the series
>>so why the fuck is Bunn on this

Maybe marvel is creating a new line of comics just for the MCU universe

I like Cullen Bunn. Harrow County is great. Haven't read any of his cape stuff but I heard people liked his Sinestro.

>>85788102
I guess

maybe McNiven's really up himself after working with Millar

>>85788136
well i mean if you've got a difficult creator you're maybe not going to give them someone who you value highly to work alongside

>>85787893
>/mu/

>>85788153
doubtful, they know the movies don't affect the comic sales

of course it's possible that that 40% female audience is real and the reason so few people buy comics is simply that the older, whiter, maler demo is just dying off from poor life choices (they are right in the heart disease/type 2 diabetes/cancer zone at their age) and masking the real gains

which would mean that you might be correct

>>85788193
His Sinestro was fantastic, but is all I've read by him. I highly recommend it though, even if vendetti just completely ignores it in his Green Lantern run now.

>>85787893
Guys it's really obvious.

Mutant. Universe.

They're separating off the X-Men after IvX.

>>85788303
I mean, Cullen Bunn IS writing Uncanny and Civil War II: X-Men...

>>85788303
Oh boy, an excuse to stop storytiming! Thanks, Marvel!

>>85788303
good

Mutant Universe
It will last for like 2 years until they make the "Welcome Home" event in 2018.

>>85788303
This would sound plausible except IvX wouldn't be finished by January 2017 yet.

>>85788136
There's really nothing wrong with Bunn, usually.
He gets, and deserves, a lot of flack for Fearless Defenders, but since then he's done a fine job on Sinestro, Magneto, and Uncanny X-Men.
Not sure about his non-cape stuff since I'm a pleb.

>>85788387
they don't really wait for events to finish anymore before launching their new shit

>>85788418
Didn't stop them with Secret Wars or Death of X. There'll just be loads of boxes that say 'FIND OUT HOW IN INHUMANS VS X-MEN!' because Marvel don't care

>>85788303
IvX won't be over in january, the #1 chapter doesn't come out until December.

>>85788303
This seems most likely. It'd do the mutants some good to fuck off to another dimension, considering Earth is so dangerous that Limbo is safer.

>>85787893
Mission Unpossible!

>>85787893
Mutant University

Young mutie book

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>>85788303
>giving a safe space to the people than want to be accepted by society

Is this real life ?

>>85788485
Massive Unhappiness

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>>85788438
>IvX still running while this starts
>Don't forget about Spider-Man clone event.
>The three would probably still be running when the Next years crossover event starts as well
Are you ready for Marvel having four mega events going at the same time?

>>85788444
>Secret Wars
That was going to end before ANAD but Ribic delays killed it.

>Death of X
What are you even talking about here?

>>85788501
Nah, it's just fantasy.

>>85788153
They already have that.

>>85788483
Maybe Rightclops (who is clearly secretly in the dungeons of New Attilan) will ask Reed to make them a world of their own?

I miss the F4.

>>85788193
He's good at writing anti-villains. People like Magneto, Sinestro and Black Adam.

Not so good at anything else.

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>>85788303
You are right. I wish we put "Mutants get their own universe" into the Bingo

>>85788561
You can still do it, it's not like anyone cares about that bingo.

>>85788561
too far stretched

>>85788530
>A house divided against itself cannot stand
MARVEL ANNOUNCING BENDIS BEING FIRED SO PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TO PUT UP WITH HIS SHIT

Alternatively: Marvel announcing everyone who isn't Bendis being fired.

>>85788570
Fuck off, that bingo is perfect and comes off as if it was written by someone that actually reads comics as opposed to shit like the CWII one where it was 90% /pol/ and /tv/ bait.

>>85788532
They decided to skip to telling stories set after Death of X, rather than tell that story, which sets up that which came after. Only to tell the story later.

I guess I should've just said Civil War II because they're doing that extending an event because of delays but still launching shit all over again

>>85788530
>forgetting GotG Nova event
FIVE MEGA CROSSOVER EVENTS AT THE SAME TIME

GABBO GABBO GABBO

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>>85788644
Fuck off. The CWII Bingo is just Bendis cliches and Movie Synergy

>>85788530
I'm sure we will get HYDRA related Avengers mini event soon too.

>>85787893
I don't know but I do know I kind of like these black teasers after hating them for a while. The wild guessing is more fun than the eventual reveal in most cases save the best.

>>85788644
>that bingo is perfect and comes off as if it was written by someone that actually reads comics
bullshit, 99% of things are X-Men crap. It was clearly done by some butthurt Xfags. If it was true IvX, it would be split 50/50 with the Inhumans.

>>85788652
Death of X was planned that way, it is a conjoined book and they would have to push back both the X and I line to do it first. Plus they X books have been setting the scene for what happened in it.

>Civil War II
Is another delay victim, Bendis keep rewriting, probably because every could see his shit coming a mile way. They are clearly scrambling to change the ending just like they change the name of Ulysses.

>>85788767
The speculation is only fun because we get to make fun of Marlel.

>>85788783
>someone who reads comics
>giving a shit about Inhumans
does not compute

>>85788783
That's because there's nothing to talk about regarding the shithumans, they're that boring.

Don't forget the big Cosmic "nothing will ever be the same" event they're setting up in Ultimates and the upcoming Thanos ongoing.

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>>85788809
>I read comics
>except I don't read comics

Cullen Bunn..kek

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>>85788866
>I read inhumans
>they are good

>>85788783
It's physically impossible to care about modern Inhumans.

>>85788890
HE IS NOT A KEK!

Inhumans was better when they were Cosmic-driven Asgard-lite than now that they're basically street-level Mutants-lite.

>>85787893
Inmumans?

>>85788866
>I read comics
>Not shitty comics though, like the Inhumans
Fixed.

>>85788940
Bane ?

>>85788890
He does more good than bad, especially in the last few years.

>>85788682
God keep the Meme GotG away from Rich

>>85788303
>>85788492

>Mutant University

This guy gets it.

Come on bitches, how long is it since the last time they had a new #1 and redesigned the X-school? How long has that school been going and they don't offer any higher qualifications than GED?

>>85788501
Literally all the X-Men have ever done in the last 40 years is scream safe space.

>>85788541
>Sure Scoot, whatever you say, after all my son is a mutant and though I'm happy for him to live among our societies here on Earth, I've travelled the multiverse enough to recognize that there are people who would never feel at home here for whatever reason. In fact, I have prepared just such a world - it's in a safe pocket universe, perfectly protected from external threats, a world without man-made pollution but where everything is in place for a rapid colonization program. I've even created machinery that can build cities overnight, wherever you choose to settle. Nothing there could ever seriously harm you but yourselves.

>Thanks, hu-mon. You will not be culled immediately when mutants and your disgusting kind inevitably go to war.

>OK

>To me, my jailbait!

four hours later

>[exploding pocket dimension]

>THE HU-MONS TRICKED US

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>>85787893
>We know it doesn't look like we have anyone because DC took all the good talent, BUT LOOK WE GOT MCNIVEN AND BUNN!
>MCNIVEN!
>AND!
>BUNN!
>whoo

>>85788983
You're assuming Bendis won't be on Nova, turning it into GotG 2.0

>>85788983
>>85789037
Am I the only one who reads GotG as Goh-t-ghh?

>>85787893
>you now realize /co/ didn't care for the last couple of Marvel relaunches because they did not come with weeks of teasers
I mean, Fortress was lightning in a bottle, but guessing the non-obvious ones was always lots of fun to me

>>85788303
As far as we know, that was (possibly) pushed by editor Mike Marts with Remender attached as a writer. Both of them don't work at Marvel anymore, so it's likely that the faction who didn't want this unless it was massively reworked won. I don't see what's changed in editorships to have a different situation just a year and something later.

>>85789064
Best teasers are the ones with silhouettes

>>85789060
nope

After saying to myself "this won't be a major book since Bunn is no exclusive", I am now realizing that Cullen Bunn has no more books at DC.
Exclusive announcement when?

>>85788975
UXM is pretty dull

>>85789369
I think the awfulness of the other X-books makes it seem better.

>>85789060
fucking jif-saying vegan agnostic cunt

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>>85788706
The bingo was gloriously subverted...

> Scarlet Witch showed up and shat on Bendis's event.

>>85789003
>To me, my jailbait!
Kek.

>>85788783
Anon, I'm one of the few inhumans fans on the board. I've liked them before any of the big, poorly handled push they've gotten in the past few years, but the inhumans absolutely do not deserve equal space on the bingo. Until the big push, they were mostly supporting characters with the occasional limited series and some of the royal family members joining teams. It's also one of the few connections to the Fantastic Four I can cling to until they get brought back.

But the X-men were the biggest franchise at Marvel for over a couple decades. The Inhumans are the Royal Family, Ms. Marvel, Moon-Girl (who shouldn't even be there) and a handful of characters that Soule created in the past few years. The X-men are hundreds of characters.

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>>85789566
but Bendis is pretty self aware about his event being quite stupid

>>85788193
Read his Magneto. Art from Gabriel Walta makes that book fucking amazing.

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>>85788303
Please no. Why do you hate your children, Marvel? You used to be so close before you became so jewey.

>>85788783
There is a version where the Genosha field is swapped with Maximus being a bastard.

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>>85788706
Jesus god I hate what this company has become.

>>85789607
are you saying the Inhumans can't become a big franchise no matter what they do?

>>85789728
Yes

>>85788435
>Not sure about his non-cape stuff
Harrow County is fantastic. Marvel should let him flex his horror chops on Man-Thing

>>85788706
I wish that WHITE MAN BAD panel was there because we'd probably be able to get quadruple Bingo.

>>85789607
The card isn't about popularity it is bingo using things expected to happen in the event. There is no reason the Inhumans shouldn't have squares when they are half the event. I doubt the the hundred of X characters will be in this, I doubt all of the new mutants will even make it in.

>>85789772
That's not the right attitude for a fan. Look at the Guardians of the Galaxy, they were worse tan Z-list and now they're the third biggest franchise behind Avengers and Spider-Man.

>>85788530
Already happening
They had spider women, Apocalyse War, and Stand off all happening around the same time and right before CWII

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>Marvel hates the X-Men
>Marvel hates the Fantastic Four
>Marvel can't write a good Spider-Man for shit
>It's been forever since there's been a good event
I feel like I'm dying inside. You were my favorite once.

>>85789772
Pretty pessimistic for a "fan".

>>85789610
Everyone at Marvel knows CWII is bullshit. Even Bendis. They were literally saying in interviews before it started that most events they spend years planning whereas this one they had to throw it together in a few months. They were practically forewarning people that it was going to be a mess. Most of the tie-ins are either just a passing reference to CWII then back to what they were already doing, or devoting the whole issue to straight up damage control.

I bet that once we get a The Untold Tale Story for this era, it'll be a whole lot of people from all sides bitching about having to deal with CWII.

It's going to be a parody series about people being mad over character changes
It'll officially be called >MUH
My dad works for marvel so I know this

>>85789728
Of course they can, but they're not there yet.

>>85789812
>>85789849
I am not the same poster btw

>>85789812
>Look at the Guardians of the Galaxy, they were worse tan Z-list and now they're the third biggest franchise behind Avengers and Spider-Man.
Is that why, after most of the movie hype has died, they don't seem to be capable of sustaining any other books except for the main one and Rocket Raccoon? Memelord v2, Abnett's Guardians, Drax and everything else did bad sales-wise.

>>85789830
>It's been forever since there's been a good event
Secret Wars, even with all its faults, is one of the all-time best linewide Marvel events.

>>85789995
Don't make me laugh.

>>85790039
Start naming better events.

>>85790081
Linewide Marvel events. They've had plenty of good crossovers events, like the Annihilation events, a handful of x-events, some Avengers crossovers, etc, but their history with linewide is almost entirely garbage.

The Onslaught Saga remains one of the best ones as well. Let that sink in.

>>85790081
Annihilation.

>>85790164
Annihilation wasn't linewide. Civil War was the linewide event happening at the time.

>>85790164
>Events
>s
You sure showed me.
>>85790152
Yeah but it's better one. Most of the 90s stuff was crap or forgettable. Since House of M started the event cycle it's probably the best event aside from Annihilation stuff and WWH. It's entirely fluff and doesn't matter much, doesn't mean it wasn't well written.

>>85788193
that fearless defenders of his was absoulute dogshit, but that's my fault for reading it

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>Mutant University
This makes no sense. What would they learn here that they wouldn't learn at Xaviers? Or Jean Greys or whatever it's called now?

>Mutant Utopia
Scott and Emma Frost won the war and fucked off into space to be happy, away from MCU fuckerry.

>Mutants United
Everyone jumps together to finally stop Inhumans and Marvel Editors from fucking up the Universe

>Mutant eUlogy
The mutants are gone! From the ashes, rise, the Inhumans!

>Mighty U-men
Quentin Quire and the U-Men are back! Fuck Xavier!

>>85790450
>yfw it's Mighty U-foes

It's obviously MEGA ULTRON

>>85790450
Mutants University makes no sense they just artificially aged the last set of kid characters in the book during Apocalypse Wars.

You can't have a university with 4 characters

>>85790630
Just what the fuck level does Xaviers school go up to anyway?

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>>85787893
>MU
>Marvel Universe
>It's another relaunch event

>>85790081
Standoff

>>85788020
>People care?
David Brothers and artists in general get mad when the artist isn't given top billing over the writer.

>>85788193
His Magneto and current Uncanny X-Men are good (though you have to deal with Land art on the latter). His Fear Itself: The Deep mini was one of the better parts of that shitty event and he actually did something pretty nice with an underused X-Men character (Loa, in this case, tying her in with Namor).

>>85789724
>Thing Jr.
my seids

>>85789992
That's because they ran the franchise to the ground with bad books, not because people don't wanna read them.

>>85790928
Land art isn't that bad because the colorist does a phenomenal job of salvaging his boring lines.

>>85789858
Why people inside Marvel allow this shit? Why Bendis can do whatever shit he wants and nobody is able to tell him to fuck off?

>>85791137
He, along with Quesada and maybe Jemas, saved Marvel in the early 2000s and turn the company into the powerhouse comic company it is today. With that record behind you, you're untouchable.

There's also the fact that he was the only one who could put books in the top ten during Rebirth month. We can give plenty of explanations why that happened, but investors only see numbers, and Bendis numbers are winners.

Bendis will always be the winner

>>85791277
But Jemas was told to fuck off.
>There's also the fact that he was the only one who could put books in the top ten during Rebirth month. We can give plenty of explanations why that happened, but investors only see numbers, and Bendis numbers are winners.
Still, someone need to man up and tell Bendis that he needs to do his jod and do researchm he can't just shit on character development and continuity just because he saved the company he is NOW ruining.

Its most likely X-Men shit

>>85791450
Jemas should come back, Marville aside

>>85787893
>Mutant Universe is actually happening
I hate it when /co/ is right

>>85792065
I though Jemas was a fucking ass

>>85792067
It's not this.

I wish it was.

>>85787893
I don't get the hate. Bunn did a good job picking up Venom where it was left off. Same with Swierczynski picking of Iron First. Both got flak from solid runs that left off where an amazing run ended and their comic rep was killed because of haters. I just dont understand why, when they actually did such good work. That being said, I never read Fearless Defenders so I dont know what the hate for that book is about.

>>85792067
We don't know for sure it's happening yet, but even if it did, it's something Remender wanted to do so it's not like /co/ came up with it out of nowhere

>>85789030
To be fair, McNiven is one of the top talents working today. Dude's top ten at least.

>>85788501
>Mutants shunted off to their own universe
>This universe would obviously stop all the long running stories about mutants getting CAMPED and be safe for them.

If anything, Mutants in their own universe would get even more buttfucked by idiotic racists.

>>85791007
If a book's selling bad, it means people don't want to read it.
Or they don't know about it, but that's not really a factor with these big Marvel/DC launches.

>>85792103
But he was bold and didn't give a fuck. That was a good thing in an industry so asfixiated by status quo and safe stories.

>>85790630
The Academy X crew should mostly be at least 18 by now.

>>85790928
>Loa, in this case, tying her in with Namor
That was actually from that short Namor ongoing from around the same time.

>>85792297
>That being said, I never read Fearless Defenders so I dont know what the hate for that book is about.
A number of reasons.
The name, for starters. Beyond having Valkyrie and later Clea, it wasn't a Defenders book in any way, but calling it that was an editorial decision.
The villain wasn't interesting at all.
It was a followup to a mediocre Fear Itself spinoff and launched like 18 months too late.
The cast felt pretty random and was underutilized.

And of course, the absolute worst part of the series, Annabelle Riggs.
Her sole trait was lesbianism, and she quickly became the star of the book. By the end she was sharing Valkyrie's body, but thankfully this has been ignored.

>>85787893
Oh this is gonna be something real stupid I know it

>>85789728
The Inhumans might have become big if they'd gotten the movie, which this whole push was intended to lead up to.

The Carol Danvers/Captain Marvel push is just as blatant and almost as badly handled, but because she's going to get a movie, people will actually know who she is and the push will have been worth it.

With no Inhumans movie coming any time soon it looks like Marvel put all its promotional effort into a franchise that is never going to take off.

It took the X-Men a long time to become popular in a time when it was a lot easier for comics to become popular than it is now. They can't just manufacture popularity by telling us how important the characters are.

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>>85789607
The Inhumans aren't bad characters. But I don't think they're built for massive popularity. They're some of the purest Kirby characters of the Silver Age without the relatability Stan Lee usually added.

They remind me a lot of the Addams Family, they're aristocratic freaks who look down on normal humans. That's interesting, but that's a recipe for cult success, not family merchandising.

>>85788303
If they do this

I'm done with Marvel

Did they learn nothing from Heroes Reborn?

>>85794533
I think Heroes Reborn was actually a good idea. I mean the comics were shit, but they sold better than Iron Man or Avengers had sold in years, they wiped out all the failed retools of the early '90s and allowed all the characters to come back to 616 with good back-to-basics relaunches.

Of course those characters didn't have a management that was determined to destroy them.

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>>85788530

I genuinely don't care about Marvel anymore....even fucking /co/ storytimes of their new stuff is completely unappealing.

This is probably the worst state the company has been in since Heroes Reborn...actually that had some interesting stuff in it, so its definitely worse

I'm not even angry...I just cannot give a fuck about this company so long as the current leadership is in charge.

>>85794810
Let's not pretend they don't have ANY good books.

But yes, the general state of the company is dreadful, and that isn't changing any time soon.

>>85794533
Yeah, Rob Liefeld is a fucking prick who won't stick to the contract.

The only reason it ended was because he walked off halfway through and the studio he'd set up to make it was no longer going to exist. Initial sales were high - consistently placing in the top 20, the rest of it being dominated by the X-Men with Spawn the only other contender - and subsequent sales to issue 6 (the last Liefeld issues of any of the 4 series) were consistently high, in fact right until the final issues they were still high.

The Heroes Return relaunch dominated the top 3 for two months running (#1 and #2, and #2 and #3 respectively) and even a year later Fantastic Four was still a high-selling title - one of the highest in the market. The rest were all still top 20, usually top 10.

That FF (and Spawn) fell off from being the market leader to almost nothing 20 years later is both a warning about the "Batman/Wolverine/Spider-Man sells" theory of comics that so many anons rely on (and publishers too) and an interesting case study, because it along with Iron Man, Avengers and Captain America went from cancellation-level sales in 1995/6 to being market leaders just three years later, positions they haven't really retained since, even though X-Men no longer dominate the top 20 (and especially not the top 10) and the majority of HR titles have settled back into middling sales, while everything is selling fewer copies across the market.

There's been something about FF that drove sales down for decades from an apparently untouchable high, but you have to wonder if, unlike the other HR titles, FF's recovery was simply a dead cat bounce - people were so shocked that FF of all things was now different/good that they bought it regardless of quality, then dumped it for the same reasons they always had.

tl;dr Heroes Reborn worked as a relaunch fantastically well for all titles, Heroes Return was a success too (if an unplanned one), there's nothing wrong with relaunches

>>85794676
>Of course those characters didn't have a management that was determined to destroy them.

They were literally outsourced to another company headed by Rob Liefeld because they had low sales. Let's not pretend anybody thought they'd be coming back to 616 anytime soon. If he hadn't thrown his toys out of the crib they'd have been gone a lot longer.

To be honest with you, Newscorp has a lot of publishing houses, it's possible (if this turns out to be a Mutant Universe) that FOX have finally bought the X-Men out. Be interesting to see what they think they're worth.

>>85794852

Apart from Vision nothing really stands out on what they're publishing right now. Ms. Marvel isn't bad, but its not like amazing or anything.

Marvel let go of their best writers and I don't see them coming back. They hired a bunch of hack web comic people and gave Bendis the reigns to everything.

Marvel died at the end of Secret Wars. nuMarvel isn't the same

>>85788303

Didn't someone say Secret Wars was also about separating mutants too?

>>85795051
It's what Remender was supposedly going to do but he left marvel

>>85794937
Uncanny Avengers, New Avengers, Ultimates, Contest of Champions (now cancelled), Gwenpool, and Totally Awesome Hulk are also good.

>Marvel died at the end of Secret Wars
I fail to see how pre-SW Marvel was any different/less shitty than ANAD Marvel.

>>85787893

oh SHIT

it's MU: Mystique UNLEASHED

or, no. No. Mysterio Unchained!

or maybe... Man-Thing UNCENSORED

>>85795978
>Man-Thing UNCENSORED
unfortunately with marvel outlawing beefcake as well as cheesecake, this will never come to pass

>>85789830
>Marvel can't write a good Spider-Man for shit
Nigga, Joe Kelly has a Spider-Man/Deadpool ongoing right now. Conway is coming back to Spider-Man with RYV. Just because Slott is on Amazing Spider-Man doesn't mean that "Marvel can't write a good Spider-Man for shit."

And Marvel as a whole doesn't hate the X-Men or Fantastic Four. Blame Perlmutter and Alonso instead of umbrella-ing the fuck out of it.

>>85798020
>Kelly
Overrated.

>Conway
Has-been.

>>85787893
Multicultural Universe. Just giving it a more appropriate title.

>>85798080
>Has-been.
Conway's Carnage is one of the best books either of the big 2 is putting out.

>>85788193
His Aquaman was garbage

Bunn is like the biggest wild card in comics.
You go from something like his Magneto, Sinestro or Hallow Country, to his Deadpool, Drax or Fearless Defenders. Rather have a 50/50 chance that his work would be good than a writer I know puts out crap.

>>85789724
Super-Ego the Living Multiverse would be a bitching story, though.

Just let Morrison write it and give him total creative control.

>>85787893
Clearly this is a movie about the Buddha Nature of dogs.

>>85798503
No.

>>85798694
he seems to get X-Men tho, so if this really is X-Related and he's promoted to X-Overlord that would be a welcome change from Lemire and Hopeless who need to GTFO ASAP

>>85793716
I forgot about that. Stuart Moore's a pretty underappreciated writer. He's got, I think, two ongoings to his credit (Namor: The First Mutant and his Firestorm run after Dan Jolley's shitty one) and both are pretty damn good.

>>85790081
Inferno. Acts of Vengeance. Original Secret Wars

>>85788501
this is liberal life.

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Guys I solved the mystery.

>>85787893
whats mu

>>85788153
that's called "every marvel book"

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>>85799567
Yes.
Dude made me care about Cletus for the first time since Maximum Carnage

>>85801904
music

>>85794937
what about Carnage you dumb fuck?! Thats the best title I'm reading. Its dope

>>85805175
>reading numarvel
>ever
Wow, this place really is /co/mblr.