Teen Titans Rebirth preview

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Fucking rekt

at least the art is nice and fits what TT should be more like

>>85786758
>>85786770
>>85786778
oh fuck off

I wonder if Rebirth issue is just gonna be Damian going around "recruiting" everyone, or if Wally is singled out to get a special introduction for some reason.

>>85786813
>"I'll make a man out of you" starts playing

needs more Damian bullying other kids tbqh

>>85786800
So he'll keep thinking Daniel is just his uncle until white Wally zaps him? Second time I've seen this mistake so I'm thinking it's intentional now.

God I hope Percy writes this better than his shitty Green Arrow but this preview didn't get my hopes up...

>>85786800
> not like my uncle daniel, reverse-flash, that loser

alright first

1) since when wally started hating daniel? he was still worshipping him in rebirth book
2) "uncle" ?????? that's his fucking father???? retconned again??

and when does this take place? it's weird for him to not mention his cousin that popped out of nowhere.

>>85787044
Probably between Flash #8 and #9.

>>85786813
If Damien can keep these levels of shenanigans up throughout the whole book, then it'll be worth reading.

>>85786813
nice

Time till Damifag is T-minus 3 minutes

>>85786813
Teen titans is damien kidnapping people to be his friends.

>>85787237
>Damian trying to be like Dick with his own team

Why is he so cute?

>>85786758
>>85786770
> Wally attacks a ginger robber
> police thinks he is the one stole the money instead
> he thinks he will never be "completed" and he is "half in between"

M E T A
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T
A

>>85786942
>...
Die.

>>85786750
Wait, so... Damian's in Teen Titans, in Super Sons, and in the main Batman books? That kind of seems like a lot for a kid to be doing, all at the same time.

>>85787517
That's normal for a Robin, but he's not really in the main Batman books outside of a few pages of Nightwing.

>>85787517
He is the fourth most popular Bat-character, is also an interesting character who is in consistently good stories. It's makes sense from a marketing perspective.

>>85787517
I mean Tim did that too. He had a solo, appeared in Gotham titles and YJ/TT

>>85787517
He isnt in the Batman books. According to King TT and SS are happening while the events in the other Bat books are playing out.

>>85787517
He's not really in any of the Batman books right now.

>>85787517
Nu-uh, he should totally be in Nightwing and Batman and Detective Comics and Teen Titans and Super Sons and Titans. Cheeky Batgirl and The Birds of Prey cameo too.

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>>85787517
He's not in the main Batman books (recurring character status,not in every issue, only in a few pages).

Isn't this the best cover in years?

>>85786758
Black Wally looking extremely feminine on this page. He better stay out of prison.

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>>85787626
>Cheeky Batgirl and The Birds of Prey cameo too.
he has really good chemistry with female characters

>>85787638
>Jon
>not Chris

no it's a shit tier cover

>>85786900
>>85787044
Daniel IS his uncle, when did they ever purport him to be his father? Even in Venditti's Flash he was his uncle

I thought that Daniel West was retconned into being this Wally's father?

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>>85787679
Johns changed it when he brought back white Wally

>>85787673

Remember when that writer tried to ship Steph, who was almost 20, with Damian, who was 10 at the time?

Hah.

>>85786800
I'm really into this art.

>>85787638
>>85787678
Wait, that reminds me. In Teen Titans by Lobdell, Kon-El is a clone of Jon Kent, a supervillain from the future. Is that the same Jon as this one? Or did they retcon all that out and say it was Manhattan's doing?

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>>85787702
to be fair, it was a future ship when they were both older and had had a lot of adventures together

>>85786813
>Keikaku Batwank etends to Damian now too
Truly the successor his father deserves.

>>85787742

Still fucking weird for a Robin/Batgirl pairing.

>>85787702
/ss/ is glorious.

>>85787750
kid was trained by batman, deathstroke, and r'as al ghul

even merlyn

>>85787740

>Wait, that reminds me. In Teen Titans by Lobdell, Kon-El is a clone of Jon Kent, a supervillain from the future. Is that the same Jon as this one?

That was Nu52 Superman and Nu52 Lois' kid. This is Pre-52 Superman and Pre-52 Lois' kid.

>>85787702
I've seen worse ships.
That reminds me the final pairings before Flashpoint were
>Dick and Barbara
>Tim and Cass
>Damian and Steph

>>85787673
He should meet Power Girl.

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>>85787638
MAKE OUT SESSION!

>>85787795
I remember someone saying that he met Earth-2 Helena before so he probably did meet Peeg? I didn't read it though.

>>85787793

Yes, Robin/Batgirl everywhere because why think beyond that.

>>85787788
He wasn't trained by Deathstoke. Nor do I recall Ra's personally training him.

>>85787792
Wait, but, isn't Nu52 Supes dead? How would he and Lois have a son, then?

>>85787777
>/ss/
キモい。Damian is reserved for Colin or, now, Jon.

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>>85787795
think this is as close as they got

I was hoping for it when they had nightwing/powergirl ships

>>85787788

Damian was never trained by Deathstroke or Ra's al Ghul.

>>85787825
It was an alternate future but he's probably coming back anyway. Don't be retarded.

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>>85787795
oh wait I forgot about this

>>85787826
Pff, that's just Supergirl.

>>85787863
>PG before they fixed her costume

eww

>>85787876
This. He needs to meet her and stare at her titties
>hey champ, my eyes are up here
>I am not interested in your eyes, alien

>>85787876
Colgate Girl was hilarious.

>>85787825

>Wait, but, isn't Nu52 Supes dead? How would he and Lois have a son, then?

They didn't.

Scott Lobdell's Superboy isn't even a clone of Nu52 Superman/Nu52 Lois' son, though.
Harvest went back in time to steal Nu52 Superman and Nu52 Lois' DNAs and mixed their DNAs with his own, thus creating Superboy, because he wanted to study their DNAs and how they mixed together to find a way to save Nu52 Superman/Nu52 Lois' future son.
So Superboy was a clone of Nu52 Superman, Nu52 Lois and Harvest.

Shit was awful and convoluted.

>>85786770
two pages and Ben Percy is already writing about racism

at least it's more subtle here than in Green Arrow

>>85787702
what, when?

>>85788026
I think we can agree to view all the New 52 Teen Titans as not canon.

>>85788242

Steph's Batgirl run. Shit happened, boyo. It was weird.

I guess it was because Steph was the current Batgirl at the time while Damian was the current Robin, so you know...

When Barbara first showed up as Batgirl she was also 7 years older than Dick, who was the current Robin. So there's a precedence.

>>85786942
Fuck off

>>85788593
There are some people determined to hate Green Arrow without being able to articulate what about it they think is dumb or poorly written. No point in engaging them since they only argue that you like it because of shipping or the art.

>>85786758
>>85786770
This is going to trigger /co/ when the book drops. Another storytime I should avoid

>>85788593
Sorry dude, it's not a good book. It just has good art and everyone's favorite ship in it. Everything else about it is awful.

>>85788297
Wasn't that part of the last issue which was basically just filled with "possible futures"?

>>85788650
I will say that it's very pander-y and going the "Ollie is broke" route right out the gate was not a great idea, but other than that the writing is more than competent.

>>85788650
It's possible the "shitty Green Arrow" was the one Percy wrote before Rebirth, which was in fact terrible.

>>85788650
>>85788677
Like fucking clockwork.

>>85788695
It was "here are all the stories BQM wanted to write but couldn't because the universe was rebooting" as told by the Black Mercy.

>>85788722
No it wasn't, just had shitty art.

>>85788650
I'd go through it with a fine toothed comb to point out all the stupid dialogue and narration, that it's a ripoff of Lemire's run, that people act out of character or act like editorial wants them to, and that the villains are stupid and overly edgy but I don't want to take the time out of my day to do so. I guess if you like it, that's fine but it means that we have very different definitions of taste.

>>85788717
I think that's fair as well as some of the complaints about the dialogue being awkward at times, but the people that just outright call it shit don't seem to really want discussion. It's annoying.

>>85788834
>that people act out of character

Go into this one, is it just Emiko? I've seen people not liking her keikaku.

There are a lot of little things that bug me about Percy's GA.

- Dinah showing up because editorial said so and she instantly falls in love with Ollie

- It's the same Oliver Queen is dead/has nothing to his name story as Lemire

- Ollie is suddenly a total asshole to Fyff, calling him a fat coward

- the villains think living the prefect life means living without skin which is just retarded

- I forget the exact line, but the idea of a group of shadow world leaders saying shit like "Those peace talks are bad for business. Let's start a war in that region." so casually is dumb.

I'm sure if I had the book in front of me I could find more shit.

>>85786770
>DINDU NUFFIN
>>85786813
>It's a Damian beats up other people so they can be his friends episode

>>85788987
>Dinah showing up because editorial said so and she instantly falls in love with Ollie
seriously, she and ollie spend like one night together, and suddenly they're lost without one another

change her name to "felicity" and people would be throwing shits

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>>85788834
Go fuck yourself CBRetard

>>85788297
>When Barbara first showed up as Batgirl she was also 7 years older than Dick, who was the current Robin. So there's a precedence.
But they were never even teased together until Dick was 18 and she was 25

And Barbara as Batgirl was retroactively deaged when she became Oracle, while Dick kept getting older, so the age difference wasn't major

>>85789031
Rebirth already provided an explanation for this. It's the old universe bleeding through.

>>85787044
Wally most likely haven't met Wally yet.

>>85786900
>>85787044

Daniel is his Uncle, it's just that the associated storyline about it isn't really that good so nobody really bothered to correct it (Since not a lot of people probably has read it). Classic DC Editorial. And no he wasn't, I mean from what I remember he wasn't. And it's not like it matters, Daniel is already dead, he died in Suicide Squad.

>>85788898
Said it here.
>>85788987
Ollie berates Fyff into helping and calls him fat and a coward and it's played for laughs.

Honestly every issue I read I find something stupid that re-enforces my decision to drop the book after this first arc.

>>85789081
that was just a meta advertisement. it doesn't excuse poorly written romance. percy should have still built up their chemistry and gave them more scenes together. the shippers can be patient

>>85789054
Are you saying I'm some Peruvian poster from CBR? I don't really care. That guy has the right idea about the book anyway.

>>85789095
>Ollie berates Fyff into helping and calls him fat and a coward and it's played for laughs.
Oh okay so you're a Lemirefag than. Nothing to see here folks, just a faggot that hasn't read any actual Green Arrow book shitposting.

>>85788650
christ, arrowfags can't take criticism

>>85789095
I guess mainly I don't really read it it as her instantly falling in love with him. She's intrigued but even right after the hookup it didn't seem like a super strong thing. And I don't think any playful teasing is really him being an asshole.

The villains aren't particular complex or anything, but I guess that doesn't bother me. It's not my favorite book or anything but I don't think it's bad.

>>85788855
the writing is ok, and it's enhanced by a great art rotation. other than that, it's been more style than substance. it's a fun read if you can grit your teeth through some of the cringey dialogue, but it's not "OBJECTIVELY THE BEST REBURF BOOK BEYOND ALL CRITICISM" like some obnoxious arrowfags here are crying

>>85789165
Saying it's shit because it's shit isn't criticism. I'm glad people are actually talking about the book rather than that nonsense.

>>85789151
Not really a Lemirefag. His run was pretty aimless. My point is that it's out of character in general for Ollie to be an asshole to Fyff and have it be played for laughs.

The whole book is a ripoff of a mediocre run in the first place which is a bad way to go. I understand I'm not going to change any of your minds though. People like what they like I guess.

>>85789215
Nah that's New Super-Man.

>>85789054
that guy is a salty moron who thinks every opinion of his deserves a soapbox, and has some overwhelming grudge against tom king for un-marysue-ing kyle rayner, but he does make good points about percy's GA

>>85787777
Hah

No

>>85789087
Daniel is not his uncle anymore. That changed when white Wally came back because they needed Rudy to be HIS dad.

>>85786758
Pants too baggy

Good fit otherwise

>>85789239
>My point is that it's out of character in general for Ollie to be an asshole
Stopped reading right there. Your casualness is still leaking, shitting on Lemire doesn't hide that.

The villains are the worst part really. It's just ANOTHER shadow organization that apparently controls the world and prefers to melt their skin off. Just stupid.

>>85789252
That retard can die in fire, he thinks new Super-Man is bad. Check out his blogspot on CBR he posted the day recent Green Arrow came out.

>>85789227
But there has been actual criticism here. It's just that some people who shut their ears and try to deflect and make a straw man of people who have anything critical to say about it. It's the same shit you see with people defending Lobdell's Red Hood and the Outlaws.

>>85789279
So this run returns Ollie to his rightful character as a guy who makes fun of the person trying to help him for no reason?

>>85789350
There wasn't actual criticism until I pointed out there there usually isn't any. I'm glad that this time is the exception but most of the time it has been /co/trarians hating the book because other people like it.

>>85789383
>most of the time it has been /co/trarians hating the book because other people like it.
that's /co/ being /co/

>>85789320
>Top Ten Best DC Comics of 2015
>10. Robert Venditti's Green Lantern.

>>85789383
So what say you to the criticism now that there is actual criticism in this thread to confront?

>>85789468
here >>85789206

I'm not trying to prove people wrong or anything about their opinion, but I just never understood why they'd say it was shit and not explain

>>85788855
The writing is only awkward when ti tried to be pander-y ie "Finally" , "hey there pretty bird" etc. And stuff like shaving the bear into a goatee in Rebirth despite the fact that he looked MUCH better with the beard.

>>85789358
Ollie has always been a casual asshole. He was a full blown asshole in O'Neil run but Grell brought him down a notch. Read more comics or lurk moar before shitposting.

>>85789661
Don't forget "Try to objectify me and you'll bleed, for I am a weapon"

And a lot of the internal monologuing is awkward

>>85789883
Yeah, that too. The internal monologuing is good though.

>>85789883
>>85789927
The monologing is more generally wordy to me than awkwardly phrased

>>85787679
How many brothers does Iris need to have?

>>85789358
Imagine for a second Robert Downey Jr.'s Tony Stark

Now subtract charisma and replace it with loudly spouted political opinions no one asked to hear about.

That's the true, decades-old character of Oliver Queen that Rebirth is aiming to bring back.

>>85790228
Is two brothers really that ridiculous?

>>85790396
If Daniel isn't Black Wally's dad, then Iris currently has three brothers. And TWO of them didn't exist before the Nu52.

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>>85786770
>literally two hoodies of different colors
It's gonna get worse from there right?

>>85790422
I really think white Wally has to zap him to facilitate the retcon and it will just be Rudy and Daniel. No reason to think there's three unless they say it.

>>85790422
Daniel is one brother
Rudy is Wally's dad and her other brother

Where are you getting three brothers from

>>85790546
Who's Black Wally's dad, in the version where it's not Daniel?

That makes 3.

>>85790711
He believes his father is Rudy. It will be clarified. There is no third guy.

There's an easy way to retcon this Wally crisis.

You can say that black Wally doesn't know that Daniel is his father, and that Rudy raised black Wally as his own kid when white Wally moved out/was erased from everyone's memories.

This was an attempt of Rudy to reconnect in some way to his lost son.

>>85790756
Black Wally believes his father is White Wally's father?

Where was that established?

>>85790793

If there's only one Rudy, then he father the two or fathered one and raised the other.

>>85787340
Pretty funny

>>85790789
This is probably what they end up doing.

>>85790793
His father was initially Rudy until the DCU Rebirth issue where it was retconned to Daniel. There is no white Wally as far as black Wally is concerned because they haven't met yet and no one remembers white Wally until he personally zaps them.

>>85790793
>>85790756
>>85790711
>>85790546
>>85790506
>>85790422
>>85790396
>>85790228
>>85789274
>>85789087
>>85787680
>>85787679

You know what, maybe they should admit this was all a fuck up and kill the character and never speak of him again.

>>85790864
Nah continuity stuff is fun and I like black Wally now that he's a separate character.

Maybe capeshit isn't for you.

>>85790864
And kill a black character just to replace him with a white one? That's a PR nightmare anon, no fucking way would they step on that landmine.

Damn, I want to read this so much. When will be release?
Also, which ship Damien will have? Starfire is old and girl of his brother, Raven is old too and (What happened with Red Robin's Teen Titans?) she will be with Beastboy probably. So, who gonna be best Robin's girl?

>>85790756
Huh. If it doesn't end up being a continuity error then him finding out that his real dad is Daniel could be interesting.

>>85791178
Damian gets Nobody

>>85791178
Sept 28th is the release date

I think Raven was deaged? Hopefully some new girl though.

>>85791178
Damien should not be in any relationships until he mellows out.

So the team is Damien, Starfire, Raven, Beast Boy and Wally until the sixth member(Blue Beetle?) joins.

Hopefully Damien becomes more likable.

>>85791178
No idea why Gar and Raven stayed yet Bunker, Cassie, and Kon are nowhere to be seen. Those three are essentially in limbo until some other writer decides to use them. Percy will probably use Emi and Jaime. Abnett will use up Bumblebee, Mal, Hawk, Dove, and Terra later on down the line.

The NTT crew is pretty damn broken up for god knows what reason. Kori, Raven, and Gar are on Teen Titans, Dick, Wally, and Donna are on Titans, and Vic is on Justice League. Keep in mind that they're all basically the same age except for Raven and Gar.

>>85791281
I trust Percy and King with Damian. I don't know what King will do, but it looks like Percy will have Damian throw his weight around then get put in his place by other members of the team. He'll assume he is the leader, but Kori is going to be the actual leader here.

>>85791281

>sixth member

also seen speculation it's whats her name from Green Arrow, Ollie's sister

>>85787517
>in the main Batman books
But he's not.

>>85786778
The copypasted train in the background is dreadful

>>85788026

FOR FUCKS SAKE, CAN THEY NOT JUST GIVE SUPERMAN A NATURAL SON/DAUGHTER

It's been 15 years since TDKSA, audiences can deal with a biological child of superman.

>>85788297

And Cassandra is a year or two older than Tim. So there's that too. The Batgirls are always nabbing those young Robin's.

>>85791425
they already did that like a year ago

>>85791359

Her name is Emiko and she is pure! PURE!!

>>85791433

Well, bats eat birds, right? Or... fucks them? Actually i've no idea what bats do.

>>85791281
6th could be Aqualad

>>85791456

Who is the mom then?

>>85791478

Pre-52 Superman and Pre-52 Lois had a kid, but Brainiac shenanigans were involved in that.

>>85791478
Lois. They had the kid during Convergence.

Where have you been? The current main Superbooks are literally about them.

>>85791458
If by pure, you mean purely Shado Junior, Lemire's not particularly inspired donut steel who I'm surprised has lasted this long.

>>85791351

You're deluding yourself if you think Damian isn't going to be the leader

>>85791213
She friendzoned him tho
>>85791216
Okay, thx. That's a long time.
>>85791351
I assume Kon is forgotten, because he wasn't in 2014 TT (He sacrificed himself in the future as I remember) So, Cassie, Bunker and "new" Power girl (black one) is nowhere. That's strange because they had some adventures together not so long ago. DC didn't even bother to end old Teen Titans properly?

>>85791458
Emiko is perfect ship for Demian though

>>85791586

>I assume Kon is forgotten, because he wasn't in 2014 TT (He sacrificed himself in the future as I remember)

He came back when Lobdell assumed the second series and went away again with Harvest so that they both could be weapons or some dumb shit.

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>>85791498
>>85791495
They did have a daughter in PAD supergirl

>>85791586
>DC didn't even bother to end old Teen Titans properly?

The last issue I think was this month or last month.

>>85791641
Supergirl writers try to fix him sadly the damage was already done.

Chris was the best Superkid, doesn't matter that they didn't share blood

>>85791665
Last issue was released this week.

>>85786750
>>85786758
is the cover artist the same as the interior artist? because I hate the cover but I kind of like the interior art.

>>85791663

Yeah, but that was Pre-Crisis Earth-1 Superman and Post-Crisis New Earth/Earth-0 Linda Danvers.

>>85791719
Oh yeah your right SA superman.

>>85791730
Linda wasn't Superman's cousin anyway, she was some kinda shapeshifter.

>>85786758
This Wally is a fuckboy. I like it.

>>85790437
Team mystic and team valor?

>>85791789
And half Angel

>>85792183
team instinct > *

>>85786813
So the dummy decoy has Wallys coat on from earlier in the preview.

>>85789025
>It's a Damian beats up other people so they can be his friends episode

That's just how kids make friends anon. Take a look at Goku (who never really grew out of it) and Ash Ketchum.

>>85792467
Huh you're right, guess Damian might have picked the clothes up beforehand before setting the dummy so he didn't have to pay for them once they were lost after the kidnapping.

>>85792467
It might just be a very common jacket. It's not exactly like people in the world all wear clothing that's unique to them.

>>85792358
there is no yellow hoddie there anon, but yes, instict>*.

>>85792358
>>85793313
Valor was here. Instinct is a loser

>>85793802
at the end only instinct will survive

What was the Green Arrow book that had that villain who was like albino and would cover colored people in bleach? Cause that was really really dumb.

>>85794202
Percy's run, before Rebirth

>>85791178
Damian is hooking up with jon

>>85786770
That didn't take long. Into the shitter it goes.

>>85786813
Love it.

>>85787517
He is Batmans son. .

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>>85786813
What no TT?