First Look at Champions

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Ok, maybe Ramos will be alright this time...

>>85784391
>It appears to be Marvel Comics’ plan to make Champions #1 by Mark Waid and Humberto Ramos the best-selling comic book in October.

>This is how they are going to do it. Retailers who match 200% of a retailer’s order of All-New All-Different Avengers #9, the one that featured the first new Wasp, will get 15% extra discount. 175% will get 10% extra and 150% will get 5% extra off.

>Those who match 200% can then order on top of that the Skottie Young cover, the Champions Variant cover, Hip Hop, Blank, both the Spider-Man and Hulk and the Johnny Blaze John Tyler Christopher action figure covers.

>They can also get the Champions party gear, 100 postcards, 20 lithographs, Champions pins….

>And one copy of the Party variant.

>While the Alex Ross cover is 1:100. The Captain America 75th anniversary cover is 1:50. And a 1:1000 variant – no details but could the odds be it’s by Joe Quesada? He does do these…

>Oh and the exclusive retailer cover availability, which adds 3000 to 4500 on for each comic shop that picks it up

>The only things that can get in the way? Teen Titans #1. The Clone Conspiracy #1. Civil War II #7. But they don’t have a lot of the things that Champions has – specifically that retailer exclusive cover.

>I wonder what Loot Crate will be up to in October?

reminder

>>85784391
Can't tell if this is legit Champions thread or "jesus ass eatin christ look at fucking cbr has become fuckkk"

>>85784424
atleast ramos's freaky hands and feet won't matter so much here

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I see Thor has played hammer-y spooney before.

>>85784424
>Kamala's face is literally melting
Yeah, no.

>>85784443
I swear to god. Isn't there ANYBODY besides the Wrecking Crew that can show up and get beaten down?

>>85784424
>giving Kamala somewhat wavy hair and a bit of the nose
>Family and everything else looks alright
He is still shit at hands and the cover is ugly, but it is way better than how he looks in X-men. must be the colorist.

So what, are the champions gonna go around rebuilding shit that has been wrecked in superhero battles? How, when out of the three of them only Amadeus even HYPOTHETICALLY has any money?

>>85784485
Where?

>>85784503
Shut the fuck up about inkers and colorists you ignorant fucking cunt. Going on about shit you don't understand in every fucking thread.

It's the same inker/colorist team he's head for the past ten years

>No one is qualified to repair anything
>Behave like a child, stamp your feet and leave
So another to add on the AVOID list

>>85784440
>Can't tell if this is legit Champions thread or "jesus ass eatin christ look at fucking cbr has become fuckkk"

Yeah, I've quit CBR due to their page remake. Fucking awful. I'll get my news and previews here.

>>85784473
falcap is right, how does she expect them to fix this with no materials, funds, or work experience. Not to mention it would taking from the people whose jobs are to fix that type of shit.

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>>85784509
According to Waid, Amadeus will be the "Stark Money"of the team and they'll be "globe trotting."

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>she's touching him
Yeah, theys gon be shipped.

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Just in case people needed another reason to avoid this.

>>85784435
So /co/ version no man sky.

>>85784424
Pencils are still standard off-model Ramos weirdness, but at least they put him with a pretty good inker and colorist this time. A good inker and colorist can do wonders for even mediocre art.

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Does this mean anything? I know it's not Robbie but are they hinting?

>>85784440
>or "jesus ass eatin christ look at fucking cbr has become fuckkk"
Well, I was about to sperg out about that, but figred that'd just derail the thread.

But yeah, what the fuck happened to CBR.

For some reason I'm looking positive forward to this.

>>85784555
>>85784560
Apparently this is an issue she has raised multiple times only to receive empty promises or excuses as to why they can't/won't. Plus, I'd quit too if the only real Avenger around is Vision; I don't work with substitutes/pretenders.

>>85784443
Why would the Wrecking Crew be doing a terrorist attack? They're bank robbers, not mass murderers.

I want DC to reprint !mpact Comics; you know, in those days Waid wrote non-SJW capes.

>>85784815
I agree. This preview is pretty good. Hopefully it leads to them dealing with problems other than fighting super villains. Something where they are trying to enact change in parts of the world that need it.

>>85784577
>the world still needs heroes
>Thunderstrike nowhere in sight
Why is this allowed?

>>85784810
>But yeah, what the fuck happened to CBR.
They got sold a while back and the new owners decided to make some changes

Apparently an editor for the making of lists got let go too

>>85784790
He was on the original Champions.

>>85784790
They already said at one of the panels at SDCC that Robbie would be appearing in the book at some point.

This variant isn't a hint to that, it's just because Ghost Rider was part of the original Champions, and they're doing one of these toy overs for each of the original champions.

>>85784487
Right? When was last time U-Foes showed up?

>>85784443
Holy shit. Look at Sam's jaw

>>85784821
And again, none of them can do anything nor do they have the funds. If she cares so much why doesn't she take an engineering course and fix shit herself.

>>85784424
>Ramos is actually doing the art
Oh shit, I thought he was covers only, for some reason, thank you based Marvel for giving me no reason to care about one of your books.

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>>85784668

awwwww fuggg, Gwenpool

that sucks

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I think Waid's a good writer, but I'm worried that this book might be intensely stupid, having a bunch of superheroes trying to deal with societal ills in their brightly colored costumes with their flashy superpowers.

You can't punch racism in the face. You can't pick up a car and smash it over the head of poverty. You can't crash through a skylight and stomp on the face of corporate corruption.

I'm not saying you should avoid these subjects 100%, but there's a fine line between tackling the subject matter in a fashion that's appropriate to the superhero milieu and being full of fucking bullshit

>>85785006
You're trying to say that The Avengers have no possible way that they could invest in fixing the community after fights, except for Iron-man. That is totally ridiculous. They most definitely have the means to do something more than leave it to unions.
Also, the original post I replied to has it as a negative that Kamala is leaving. So we apparently agree that she should do something herself, which she is.

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It's not like this concept has never been addressed.

>>85784639
>hand holding

DELETE THIS

MODS

>>85785108
is because Damage Control exist >>85785236

>>85785108
Invest with what money.
There are people whose jobs are to fix these messes.

>>85785236
Damn, I was just about to bring this up. I think the last time they appeared was WWH.

>>85784790
>tfw I tried looking for a classic GR motorcycle jacket, and all I could find are generic Nick Cage wannabe leather jackets with spikes

I just want those white stripes and that big square, is that so much to ask for?

>>85784881
You are very dumb my friend. Consider suicide.

>>85785282
I didn't say anything about cash money holmes.
They could just take a more active role with Damage Control (thanks >>85785236 and >>85785261). While it may be other's job to fix these messes, it would do well for the people who had a hand in them to help out with it. That the responsible thing to do. Not all of them need to help every time, but have the members on clean-up rotation.

>>85784391
this coloring is MGS4 pissfilter tier, i excpected something more colorful from a teen group book

>>85784639
>Viv Vision
Doesn't Vision have the legal name Victor Shade?

>>85784668
>Sam next to Viv on yet another cover

they are going to fuck in Vision, I just know it

>>85785351

its clearly colored differently for the flashback, you can see the transition in the first fucking page.

>>85785282
They were pitched to Marvel as an ongoing at one point by a writer I share an office with but it never materialized.

This is so hamfisted
>like OMG, did you fellow young people know that Superheroes cause collateral damage. Bazinga Heroes need to be more careful.
Waid, you fucking Grandpa. This is not original. You are not original.

Literally hundreds of people have made this observation. It literally has been acknowledged and explored through many many writers (it was a plotpoint in the Power Puff Girls movie).

It's like when someone tries to say "Hey, did you know Pokemon is like cock fighting?". Everyone has already made the comparison/joke.

This is like the most troped thing hipsters writing capes do when they want to seem smart.

>>85784473

>denying blue-collar workers the opportunity to work in $CURRENT_YEAR

The unions probably love all the superhumans tearing it up. Guaranteed work.

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>People had/have hope for this garbage

>>85785455
Moreso all the opportunity for overtime pay.

>>85785457
Concept is good, problem is just Waid.

>>85784668
But Gwenpool is great

>>85785324
Nice butthurt, Waid.

>>85785347
They arent responsible for it at all. Unless theyre literally the ones that decided to rip the train off the track then it was the criminal's fault. They're already VOLUNTEERING to risk their lives fighting bad guys plus theyll proabably still throw money at them so the proper people can have it fixed. No one can ask them for anything more.

Why is Viv wearing street clothes? I want her in a cute femvision suit

>>85785981
Because she's a young rebellious robot. FUCK YOU, ROBO-DAD!

Why does /co/ hate Waid? I've been reading his Flash work recently and the guy's writing is spectacular.

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>reposting this from the other thread to get more results

While we're all getting hyped up for Champions (kind of lukewarm to Kamala's attitude so far to be honest, I don't know what she expects to happen to magically fix the truck or the train tracks)

We're also nearing the end of the first year of Marvel's first total across-the-line relaunch of every single title they've had in their 50+ years.

What parts of All New All Different Marvel have you been enjoying so far /co/? Most of the new Champions got a good deal of exposure this past year

http://poal.me/ybe8y3

>>85786046
I WAS PROGRAMMED TO REBEL YOUR PROGRAMMING

>>85784435
This shit should be illegal.
I can't believe anyone is putting up with this nonsense.

>>85786156
>I've been reading his Flash work recently and the guy's writing was spectacular.
FTFY

>>85784424
Poor Aamir has severe rheumatoid arthritis.

>>85786177
Carnage, Moon Knight, Hercules, TA Hulk, Vision

Was enjoying Deadpool for awhile but got bored and droppe it.

>>85784821
>he doesn't like legacy heroes

fuck off to the 50s my man. Flashes and Green lanterns are tops

>>85786156
He generally hasn't been good in maybe 10 years and outside of Impulse he has NEVER written teens well.

>>85784435
>that feel when you liked the old school Champions

They took this thing I liked, removed everything about it, added a marketing scheme and turned it into a teen-hero comic book with social justice undertones.

I all I wanted was some Hercules x Angel shenanigans with Black Widow as a straight woman.

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kamala hating the "beat up the bad guy and walk away from the collateral damage" style of superheroing has been a character trait for a while

its why she didnt get along with sam when they first met

>>85785108
Nigga, Falcon run a community driven super hero effort back in the day. He has tried this shit before and it didn't work. he is speaking from experience.

>>85786156
Waid is great when he tells a story and isn't trying to be preachy.
Add "write teenagers with a social agenda" to the mix and you get this pretty meh stories. He isn't bad at all when he is doing what he does best but this experiment failed.

>>85786177
>im the only one to vote for black widow
Terrible taste.

>>85786177
Who are you? Are you trying to sell me something?

Anyway in my eyes, the line seems to be 50% really mediocre, 40% absolutely horrendous and about 10% good.
I've enjoyed Vision and New Avengers and was pleasantly surprised by Carol's book being servicable this time around. Oh and Bunn's Uncanny is leagues and bounds above the other two X-books as it is actually ok.
That's about it.

>>85786368
I just wish I knew what she expects to happen. Unless she wants to invest in its repairs (which the Avengers don't have the money to afford atm), or take time out of her schedule heroing to help fix it herself (which is not going to be fast given she has no idea how to repair shit, plus it means there could be trouble elsewhere she's letting happen), it seems pointless to bitch about it and then throw such a fit you quit the Avengers over it.

You just saved hundreds of lives, take some goddamn pride in that.

>>85786368

Good thing Sam found a better girl now.

>>85786573
well with everything that presumably went down in civil war 2, this is probably the straw that broke the camels back.

>>85786483
That's the second time in two days I see it mentioned favorably. I'ma go and check it out now.

I'm shilling the poal where it seems appropriate so I can get a rough estimate of where all the titles stack up to each other. I want to do a tourney thread the week before Marvel NOW! starts up for ANAD's year in review and weighted brackets (making more popular titles pair against less popular titles in the first rounds) are preferred for accuracy.

>>85786659
>Who are you? Are you trying to sell me something?
meant to quote for >>85786659

>>85786677
>tfw misquote yet again
>>85786503

>>85785282
>I think the last time they appeared was WWH.
They had a CWII tie-in just a couple months ago.

>>85786295
Pretty sure 50's GL and Flash were also legacy heroes, or at least they weren't the originals though.

Goes to show how GL and Flashed are all about legacies man.

>>85786156
>Why does /co/ hate Waid?
He's a tumblr pandering SJW that literally called Gamergaters nazis on twitter.

>>85784821
Kampala herself is a substitute, not in powers but still in name.

>>85786503
>50% really mediocre, 40% absolutely horrendous and about 10% good
That's been the case since Shooter was fired.

>>85786733
While that stuff is retarded, I'm beginning to dislike Waid because his writing has turned to shit, like a normal person.

>>85784443
Sam looks like a bird.
Ramos' Thor is pretty cool though, and his style fits Kamala's powers (still think so from Waid's SHIELD series)

>>85784424
>Eating the last piece of Karah
What a bitch!

>>85786156
>Why does /co/ hate Waid?
He said some shit on twitter and we're not allowed to like opinionated liberals.

It's /pol/ shitting all over the place.

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>>85784391
>>85784424
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>>85784668
I am pretty goddamned hyped for this. I was excited when it was announced and seeing all this has just put it on my pre ordered pull list. Can't fucking wait man.

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>>85786597
Bendis went with Miles/Gwen over Kamala, and Waid shifted from Sam/Kamala to Sam/Viv.

This leaves Kamala with one natural pairing...

>>85786658
it's very good, but i think because it has not been storytimed past the first or second issue here no one read it.

>>85786918
Have you not seen the ANAD Avengers Annual yet, Anon?

>>85784639
Proud to be shipping them since ANADA #3.

Here's hoping we get the "Vision blackmails Sam into taking Viv to Prom" episode

>>85784513

Its a meme anon, they hate on whatever he does even if its not bad.

She is doing a weird expression? ''HER FACE IS MELTING!!!'' the posing is kind of weird? '' OH MY GOD SHE FUCKING BROKE HER BACK IN THAT PANEL!!!!!'', etc

>>85784545

So hating on Ramos is one of those things that only jaded comic book fans do, right?

I don't see anything wrong with his style

>>85786964
You mean the annual where Kamala states explicitly that she has no romantic feelings for Sam or Miles?

>>85785108
After firemen stop a fire, they should also rebuild the houses?

>>85787086
>I don't see anything wrong with his style
Wow, this place really is /co/mblr.

>>85786921
I'm two issues in now. Art and action is pretty fucking great. Plot is currently looking rather generic for a Black Widow comic.

>>85787119
Firemen's presence in a community doesn't increase the likeliness of fires.

>>85787138
>Having an interest in a different artist is now /co/mblr

We've past buzzword at this point now

>>85787201
There's a difference between having an interest in a different artist and supporting tumblr-trash.

>>85787103
Miles gets what he wants, Anon. The Spider-Gwen shit will last like two issues before she fucks off from 616, then Bendis will turn back to Kamala, and no one can fight Bendis, Kamala's writer isn't even really trying to.

>>85787119
Why are you autists getting so butthurt about the concept of this book? All that matters is if it's written well (which it likely won't be, but still).

>>85787187
Next time the Wrecking Crew shows up somewhere, the Avengers should do nothing.
And if the civilians complain, the will tell them that they wanted to avoid material damage

>>85787289
See:
>>85783774
The concept of this book is literally "Straight white men are evil. Please vote for Shillary because Trump hurts my feelings!" Anyone that supports this garbage is an SJW that needs to be purged from this site.

>>85784555
well she is still a kid, their right but it doesnt make her feel any better about the situation.

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>>85787354
>The concept of this book is literally "Straight white men are evil. Please vote for Shillary because Trump hurts my feelings!"

I honestly can't tell if this is just false-flagging or people actually believe this

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So are we supporting this book because of shipping ?

>>85787394
no but just as Waid "they are going to fight people that want to stop change".

People can interpret anything from that

>>85787400
Well, yeah. Why else would we support it.

>>85785563
And Ramos... And Marvel editorial...

>>85787354
How are you getting connections to the current presidential election from this, you joke? Just because it's about social issues doesn't mean it has anything to do with Hillary or Trump. That's just you.

>>85787394
Here's a helpful pro-tip, independently from you political views, every time you see the word Shillary, assume it's false flagging and move on, because even if the person it's being sincere, wouldn't you rather pretend he's not?

>>85787730
>Just because it's about social issues doesn't mean it has anything to do with Hillary or Trump
You say that now but I'd put money on an "evil" Trump parody and at least one panel mocking gamergate by the end of the first arc.

>>85787771
Great, I love Trump-led Serpent Society.

>>85784391
TWO white people on ONE team...some one is getting fired over this

>>85787806
Sam is a spic, though.

>>85787829
>White-Anglo father
>White-Hispanic mother
>takes after his father in looks and skin-tone
>born and raised in mid-west America
>no cultural ties to Mexico
>doesn't speak Spanish, not even sneaking in random spanish words in english sentences like 99% of spics in cape comics
>the fact that he's part hispanic is never brought up
He's as white as Kyle Rayner, and you wouldn't call Kyle Rayner a spic.

>>85787806
ANADA had two white people.

>>85787806
"white Hispanic" ?

>>85787798
Wow, this place really is /co/mblr.

I forsee a high selling issue one with 60% minimum drop on issue two

>>85786368
And it's still as stupid then as it is now. She is acting like a gigantic bitch and not blaming the thing that is actually responsible for the destruction.

>>85787806
Mutants aren't white

>>85787999
The only white Hispanic in liberal America is George Zimmerman. Every other Hispanic is brown.

>>85786368
Didn't she body-slam a robot in a parking lot or something?

>>85787975
It had 5:
>Tony
>Jane
>Sam (Nova)
>Nadia
>Jarvis

Also you could make the argument that Vision is white since he's based off of a white man's brainwaves, built using a white synthezoid's body, the grandson of a white man, and both of his human kids are white.

So that's 5-6 white people versus 3 non-whites (Sam Wilson, Kamala, Miles).

>>85788012
They're trying to rig it to do well with the #1, lot of incentive variants and shit. When it settles it'll probably be a solid 40k book.

>>85788012
Try 75%

Wow, I am not enjoying this preview. I loved Waid's F4. His plots and character moments are legit. He's a good writer. But this is awful. It reads as a contrivance to get her to start with a new team. rather than a natural or clever progression based on the characters.

Not really enjoying this art, either. The whole thing is seriously awkward to read.

Does the New Avenger's get better? Couldn't get into the first few issues because of the art and layouts and the story wasn't doing much for me either. But I felt the same about Uncanny Avenger's, but I've just read the Hank-Ultron story and it's some class stuff. Best Avenger's book out, I'd say.

>>85788129
>Does the New Avenger's get better?
New Avengers is great. One of Marvel's best books.

Though, for clarification, you're asking about New Avengers and not All-new All-different Avengers, right? There seems to be large contingent of people who don't realise that New Avengers and ANAD Avengers aren't the same book.

>>85788171

Yeah, New. I guess I'm asking: does it change, cause I didn't like it to begin with (but know everyone is saying it's great)?

>>85788262
Not really? I mean, Sandoval only does about half the issues, but then, I love Sandoval's art so him being on it actually was a plus for me.

I'd say go and check out Contest of Champions and Ultimates since they're also written by Ewing and really good. If you like them then go back and read New Avengers. If Ultimates and CoC don't do anything for you, then chances are you don't like Ewing enough to put up with art that isn't to your taste.

>>85784545
About time. Kamala really shouldn't be on any teams, period.

I liked it.

>>85784473
>"Super heroes", yeah right!
>Take your fights outta our neighborhood you lunatics!

ARe fucking Marvel civilians REALLY this fucking retarded?

The Wrecking Crew were the ones endangering your lives and your fucking neighborhood, they still WOULD be if the Avengers didn't fucking stop them. What do you want them to do, stand aside and let them kill you anyhow?!

God I fucking hate Marvel civvies.

>>85788616
Well they hospitalized Johnny Storm just because he had super powers once.

>>85787829
He's white/Hispanic

>>85788675
And they are mean to the muties.

Isnt cyclops fucking dead

Y he here

>>85788868
Beast brought forward in time the original five teenager X-men from the 60's for some reason.

They got stuck and could not be sent back, so now they're hanging around in our time.

Cyclops in Champions is the time-displaced teenager, not the Cyclops who got epic BTFO by Black Bolt

>>85788024
She's saying heroes could do more. It's a nice take that makes sense for street level characters. They're suddenly on a team with more power, so they want to use that power to help the community more. It's called going above and beyond the norm. And that refers to the norm for supers and not the norm for an average joe.

>>85787086
The average /co/ user cares more about anatomy than any other part of the art for comics. They don't care for paneling or layouts. Personally I think Ramos brings a lot of energy which makes sense for a book focusing on young heroes.

>Shit writer
>Shit artist
>Miles
>Kamala and psuedo SJW issues
into the trash it goes

>>85789665
Let's not forget Sam.
What a shit lineup.

>>85789783
Sam, kid transClops, Chulk, robot robot waifu are a cool team
but Sam and Kamala are boring as rocks

Why no super power constriction workers?

>>85789893
Sam has been the weakest link of both teams he's been on so far, I don't expect this to be any different.

>>85789937
lol ok
Miles is the weakest link of the Marvel universe

>>85789975
Sam is shit, Anon, I don't know how Miles being just as shit is relevant to this discussion.

>>85784577
>Sam more than happy to burn his card

>>85784545
>Again?

Jane has been there for the longest haul in Avengers orbit if not membership out of any of these guys, hasn't she? That's actually kind of hilarious.

>>85789893
Someone explain the Transclops meme to me.

>>85787400
I'm supporting it cause I'm interested in the team and seeing what happens with each character and how they interact with each other. I enjoy the idea where they go off and do their own thing apart from the avengers, but I can understand how others might not or might see it as "MUH TEENAGE REBELLION", cause it sort of is that.
My hope is that they're allowed time to explore the team, the characters, and etc. without rushing into things due to events or what not.
Shipping would only be enjoyable if the source actually drives me to do so.

>>85784668
miles is such a dick

>>85789975
>defending Sam
I knew there were people with shit taste on /co/ but I didn't know it could get THIS shit.

>>85790436
Sam is way more interesting than Miles.

Sam at least has a gimmick, an entertaining one at that in that his super-power is making horrible decisions. He's endearing in that regard and entertaining.

Miles is a poor man's Peter Parker with none of the character. He's as bland as it gets.

>>85790105

one werido is pushing hard

>>85790436
Sam is a nice and cute boy. Please don't bully him.

>>85784577
If I don't get to buy this cover, I punching faces.

>>85790558
>Sam is way more interesting than Miles.
He really isn't he's a basic as hell dumb kid that means we'll. They're on par when it comes to being fucking boring characters.
>Sam at least has a gimmick, an entertaining one at that in that his super-power is making horrible decisions.
Which is terrible, Sam's been through a ton of shit yet he still makes the same mistakes as if he never fucking learns. It would work if he was in a comedy book but he isn't so it doesn't.
>He's endearing in that regard and entertaining.
It's gotten old.

>>85786705
I meant 50s pre barry and Hal , when the jsa books were canceled.

But seriously legacy heroes are based

>>85788779
Well, the god damned mutie had it coming.

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>>85784391
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>>85784545
Meanwhile in the DC Universe

>>85792246
>tfw you know the next few panels
How is Flash at all challenged by Captain Boomerang of all people when he can pull shit like this?

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>>85792269
When was the last time he fought Captain Boomerang? At least with Owen they had the excise that he was a semi-Speedester even though he couldn't go fast.

Cold slows him down, Grodd mind whammies him, Mirror Master is pretty OP with his mirrors so yeah I can see them giving him trouble.

Trickster and Boomerang however...

Haven't read enough with Piper as a villain and I don’t know The Top very well.

>>85790436
Sam is a lil' Hal Jordan, he is adorable.

>>85792399
>>85792308
>>85792283
>>85792246

I hate Flash so much.

>>85792443
y tho

>>85792443
Go back to the future, Eobard.

>>85792425
Hal Jordan if he wasn't likable in any way

>>85792477
Gah don't fucking start

>>85784545
This seems fine and reasonable.

>>85784545
LOL YOU'RE RIGHT, LITTLE SANDNIGGER, WE SHOULD'vE JUST LET THE BOMB GO OFF AND KILL EVERYONE SINCE NONE OF US KNOW HOW TO REPAIR A TRAIN TRACK

>The other avengers start throwing rocks at Ms. Marvel until she cries

>>85789658
>The average /co/ user cares more about anatomy than any other part of the art for comics. They don't care for paneling or layouts.

I can tell, too bad since his artwork is pretty good, you can tell why Marvel is always giving him big projects

>>85792399
thats a real hero

>>85784473
>>85784545
Oh fuck off Kamala. I didn't see you fixing New Jersey when you let your clone army loose

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>>85784545
The view must be FANTASTIC from that glass house there, Kamala.

They should just build an army of good Ultrons to rebuild everything they destroy, what could possibly go wrong?

> could Jamie Madrox make mad $ by replacing the workforce of an entire country?

>>85784790
Fuck .....I have to buy that.

>>85793293
>> could Jamie Madrox make mad $ by replacing the workforce of an entire country?
stop, stop right fucking there, Jamie is a happy family man, don't bring him to this shitty marvel universe.

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>>85784668
Why is a robot drinking milk? Is it insane or something?

>>85792246
>>85792283
>>85792308
>>85792399
But that is Barry and we know Barry is no hero. Just wait under he throws his next tantrum and kills everything again.

>>85790779
>But seriously legacy heroes are based
Only when they're done well anon, and Marvels legacy heroes the last decade are a mixed bag at best

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>>85795272
Gah, she's a synthezoid you casual

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>>85795832
Hey, Viv told me she was a robot.

>>85784391
WTF where is defender, obsidian, quantum, jaguar and solitaire?

>>85795303
That shouldn't work anyways. Cement, plaster and sealant take time to dry.

>>85792399
Piper is another mind controller.
The Top was a speedster AND a mind controller, and eventually a ghost.

Trickster could fly with his sick Airwalks.

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>>85795303
>we know Barry is no hero

Fuck off

>>85786887

You must be the last fan Waid has left

>>85785609
t. waifufag

>>85790436
Sam's the only kid here written like a kid you could relate to instead of one who's super smart and popular and always the best in every situation. He's just fucking trying as hard as he can, wearing his heart on his sleeve.

>>85785324
Tell you what, show me how it's done and I'll consider it.

>>85795303
Did you mistake Barry for Peter Parker again? It's okay, they both wear red, I know it's confusing.

>>85798634
Barry's a fag

>>85798634
And then he killed Bart in Flashpoint

>>85798654
No, but I am a sucker for legacy teen teams, and I like Ramos' art work from time to time.

>>85795272
It's not as if the super-high-tech sythezoid people aren't water resistant.
Even if she finds no enjoyment in the consumption of food products, and there is no practical reason as she is incapable of receiving nourishment from digestion, she has been taught to embrace human communal activities as an aspect of her overall intended function of emulating organic lifeforms.
Breakfast would be such an activity.

>>85795272
>>85795832

bova milk? isn't it like asking for mutations and shit?

>>85798865
At least it's not Skrull Milk

>>85798865
>>85798890

This is obscure-canon win.

>>85798890
what do you mean by not skrull milk. Skrull milk is healthy, it is green. And green stuff has a lot of vitamins.

Can we PLEASE be rid of the teen versions of the original X-Men? That wore out its welcome even before Battle of the Atom.

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>>85784668
someone do this, but better

>>85799000
They're here to stay.
The adult versions have all had horrible lives with tragic fates befalling them and ruin and whatnot, giving them a second chance is a nice idea.
Plus the whole point of the story was to explore just how different they are from who they were originally.
AND there's at least five or six different interesting storys that can play out from it that I can imagine just off the top of my head.
A-A-AND the whole thing adds to the weirdness inherent in the X-Men concept.
Why throw that away?

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>>85784391
Can I get an What If where all the heroes disappear and these ungrateful fucking Marvel civvies get slaughtered by some super villains?

Only superheros can stop super-villains. Any old asshole can work construction. If superpowered assholes start fixing all the bridges and shit, people are going to lose out on work.

>>85799192
Supervillains aren't a continuous thing, and besides they're supposed to be there to help people.
WWSD? What-Would-Superman-Do?

>>85789536
Except Cap Falcon logically points out that none of them are equipped to rebuild the damage the fight caused. It does not make sense for them to take responsibility in personally fixing the the damages. The superheroes already go way above and beyond the call by putting their lives in danger. Since there is a logical counter to this I think it still makes hers look like an enormous bitch.
I also hate it when a street level super tries to play the average Joe card since "monsters tend to step on the little guy".

>>85799000
I just want to see Teen Cyke and Bobby shirtless, is that so much to ask.

These 2 + Evan, but they're still never been so in all these years.

>>85799286
>they're supposed to be there to help people.

Saving their train from crashing into the ground at full speed *IS* help. If they're feeling generous, they can donate to the rebuilding costs.

When the skrulls decide to invade, I'd prefer the avengers aren't filling pot holes when that's literally taking someone's job from them.

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>>85799324
Marvel in general is pushing this weird idea that their heroes should be held accountable for shit they have no hope of controlling. It'd be one thing if it was just adversity for the characters to go through but Marvel seems to be pushing this as a completely legitimate argument. I mean it was basically the whole plot of the Civil War movie. People expecting heroes to eliminate collateral damage or to somehow repair everything that breaks when they fight is pants on head retarded.

>>85799343
You're going to wait forever then, Miles and Sam have never been shirtless yet either.

Cho is the only one.

>>85799324
logic vs wimen
logic vs teen
logic vs teen wimen

She is not a bitch, she is just acting as natural pre child female.

>>85799429
Not really. In Civil War the Avengers were just busting into countries and having fist fights with bad guys carrying unknown biological weapons in the middle of their cities.

The never made any effort to minimize the possibility of civilian casualties or, for all we know, an extinction level event.

The Avengers need someone to listen to their plans and tell them when they're being fucking dumb. Generally speaking, the guy punching the bad guys in the face is in a shit position to be overseeing all operations. They need a frigging boss.

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>>85784391
Hopefully this comic at least tries to derail the "let's shit on Sam" train. That kid needs a fucking break, seriously.

>>85799583
Crossbones was about to steal a biological nerve agent that could kill hundreds or maybe even thousands of people depending on where it was released. Thanks to the Avengers, what like 18 people died? And in the other instances where they acted they saved the world from ending. Cap makes several plans to minimize casualties in the first Avengers movie, and the casualty numbers were laughably low in all the situations they were in. There is no way you can say having them interfere is a bad thing and the government only wanted to have them in their pocket.

>>85799620
Bendis hate the kid. He is white, he is skinny, he can fly, he is an actual legacy character. And what Bendis hates, dies. Marvel is his.

>>85799383
That's a false argument, and you know it.
Filling in a pothole is pure strawman argument, but what's your argument against one of them moving the food truck out of the rubble so it can at least get towed? That's someone's livelyhood.
And what about all those people in the derailed traincars now left stranded on the tracks? It morally wrong to help them down to ground level?
How is it the right thing to do to just fly away and wait for Carnage to go on a rampage?
When they're rescuing someone's cat from a burning apartmen building and a Celestial named Lormat The Pedestrian Stomper shows up, it's not as if they're going to ignore the giant monster.

>>85799665
Miles is no muscular fuck himself though.

It's hilarious that Bendis whored our Ultimate Peter but never did the same with Miles.

>>85799583
Who? You say Maria Hill and I will fucking slap you.

She's entertaining, but she also thinks nothing of filling an entire pocket dimension pleasantville with brainwashed supervillains.

>>85786199
It does not even make sense from a buisness standpoint all it does is hurt retailers if lcs's shut down sales fall.

>>85799665
Fuck off with that shit.
Was Stan Lee an agent of /pol/'s imaginary anti-whitey conspiracy when he wrote Peter Parker's suck origin?

If dramatic (AKA: painful) shit never happens to the main character then there's no story to read.

>>85799643
>Crossbones was about to steal a biological nerve agent that could kill hundreds or maybe even thousands of people depending on where it was released.

So lets get into a fist fight with the guy carrying it in the middle of a city. All those superdudes and all that super tech and that was the best plan they could come up with.

>Cap, this is your fucking boss. Back off. We've got him on satellite. Have Falcon have his little Falcon follow him. Vision, go up really high and follow the falcon following the asshole with the unknown biological agent.

>One of you assholes go back the lab and figure out wtf we're dealing with.

>This is Amanda Waller signing off.

>>85784391
Im still fucking mad about them spoiling the ending of vision its a tragedy people were having fun speculating on who would survive and they yanked that away from us.

>>85799772
>I get hard with humiliation

This post reeks of this.

>>85784443
I sometimes like whor when shes not been used to spew man hating bullshit.

>>85799802
Priorities my dear Anon!
Vision wasn't that important of a book! It didn't have enough social justice as the other titles!

And we KNOW that shit sells.

>>85799828
I don't. I want Thor back.

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>>85784473
>>85784509
what happened to damage control?

didn't they come to be, to explain how shut gets fixed after hero/villain debacles

>>85799667
>Filling in a pothole is pure strawman argument

No it's literally what she's bitching about when she stomps off with her big assed feet. "Why aren't we fixing the traintracks."

>It morally wrong to help them down to ground level?

She didn't ask about any of that shit. I assume the cops are on their way. You know what I don't want happening to me when I'm injured? Some feel good person coming along to pick me up and sling me all over the place so they can feel like they're helping.

There's professionals to do that shit.

Firefighters put out the fire and help people. They don't rebuild your house. They don't move your food truck "so it can be towed". They do what they're qualified to do.

It's not a straw man to not have your superheros trying to solve everyone's problems. They're here to keep you from dying, not to help you get to work. The rest of being alive is your fucking problem.

>>85799804
Ooop! Looks like we got someone one the line who takes /pol/shit to heart!
( Let's see if we can reel them in! )

>>85799869
I'm terribly sorry, boy. You actually expected continuity from Marvel? Who do you think writes for this company? Isaac Asimov?

>>85784473
Welp at least kamala is in character.
But falcaps right what can they do im pretty sure they dont have a speedster or anything on the team and most of them dont have a lot of spare time.

Is the stuff the world has been through civil war 2 arent they still in the middle of that.

>>85799710
>Who? You say Maria Hill and I will fucking slap you.

Pick someone, tell them to stay by the satellite feed. Someone has to stay out of the fray and give direction. If you're swinging your sword you aren't being a general.

>>85784487
I dont read much marvel do they really not have enough fodder villan groups to go round.

>>85784545
Well fuck i was expecting the quitting to be something stupid and contrived but this is totally in character for kamala

>>85784473
why is Kamala being a bitch, it makes sense they dont know how to fix it

THIS SHIT WAS DAMAGE CONTROLS JOB

Flash is a different story because he can read up on how in like 1 second

>>85799896
"Literally" has a LITERAL meaning. Look the word up, Google it if you have to.
Figure out how you just made yourself look like an idiot, THEN we can continue this.

Also, they're "professionals" and they can't do that same job that the "professionals" like Police or Firefighters do?
What do you think the job of being a hero is when it's a "profession"?

>>85784555
I think the fact falcap completly failed to notice it had been bothering her was a large part of the reason shes to angry at that to look at this particular situation properly.

I dont know much about sam wilson is it in character to not notice.

>>85790699
I really dont understand why thats not the main cover its thematically perfect.

>>85787394
/pol/fags are literal retards

>>85784821
Quicksilver pls

>>85785103
Yeah im worried i hope he gets it right

>You can't crash through a skylight and stomp on the face of corporate corruption
Well you kind of can

>>85785236
Matbe they got bitter after the show fell through or something.

>>85800040
I think they write Sam as too hesitant, they have him pull this kinda crap in his book where he's always worried about what the law says and what collateral damage may happen if he acts without thinking.

>>85785347
That could be nice each hero takes turns helping out damage control.

>>85800038

Idiot, huh?

One of us pays attention to things. One of us knows the dictionary definition of words. The other person is you.

literally literally means figuratively now. lol

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/literally?utm_campaign=sd&utm_medium=serp&utm_source=jsonld

Sorry Holmes. Words have meanings that change. Get with the program gramps. (how does it feel to be so betrayed by the dictionary you once held so dear?)

>>85800038
>What do you think the job of being a hero is when it's a "profession"?

I missed the part where Captain America took enough classes to qualify as a first responder. He hits people. He's not a medic. That's the other marvel universe, dude. So no. None of those fuckers is qualified to start moving around someone with a spinal injury. Deal.

>>85785410
Im pretty sure this is just a way to have kamala quit the team because everything we know of her says this is one of the things most likely to make her do so.

>>85798532
Speedforce motherfucker

>>85800216
With this and Clint (CUNT) being all "Heroes don't care about no common folk bullshit, I'm thinking this is going to be an actual thing for a while.

Next thing you know superheroes are going to be expected to hold a job, pay their own bills, put their life on the line to save other people for free, then volunteer all that other time they have to rebuilding houses the Mad Thinker fucked up last week.

I picture every last Superhero moving to Mexico in about three weeks.

>>85799863
Oh yeah i never like her to the point i no longer want her fucking gone.

>>85799845
Funny thing is vision will probably be a huge book in the future marvel will finaly have a must read miniseries alongside dcs watchmen and all star superman.

>>85800184
What the fuck is wrong with you?
Stop calling the superheroes mindless thugs, that's considered rude on /co/.
Shitpost playtime is done now, if you're this casual you shouldn't be posting anyway.

>>85798703
I dont know why marvel seems to think everybody has to be a genius.
I know that a lot of there early characters were scientists but its getting out of hand.

>>85800330
>Stop calling the superheroes mindless thugs

I said they aren't qualified to deal with injured people. That's just a fact.

Do you want someone to start jiggling our head around when you might have a broken neck? What if they were a world renown pianist?

>What? Are you calling that world renown artist a common thug?

No. People just don't want some well meaning dipshit to kill them by trying to help them to death.

>if you're this casual

You say the above
I hear the below

>I can't argue with you so I'm going to have a full blown "not one of us" meltdown.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9C4uTEEOJlM

>>85799429
I rather be a DC superhero then, even if I have to deal with Morrison bullshit.

>>85800468
Yeah pretty much the only way marvel heros have it better is there loved ones dont die as often.

Which is not that big a deal with the slow death of supporting characters

>>85800385
There's plenty of dumb superheroes out there.
( I actually like that KidNova seems to be growing up to become one.)
The worst was Speedball, but gay or not Iceman was always an idiot, in fact lots of X-Men background characters are morons, half of the FantasticFour, Punisher's no rocket scientist - he just uses rockets on occasion, Hercules, The GreatLakes Defenders, Doc Strange doesn't count as a brainiac because his fields are specialized, and Luke Cage is just street-wise.
But all-in-all you want your heros smart in the Marvel U.

>>85800441
>I said they aren't qualified to deal with injured people. That's just a fact.
What if they can heal people? I bet healers could deal with injured people. Superman can close and cauterize a wound.

>>85800551
Well that and the aformentioned meta stuff yeah

>>85800441
>I said they aren't qualified to deal with injured people. That's just a fact.

Well some of the heroes are medics and paramedics, pretty sure heroes like Thor, Strange and Night Nurse know how to handle injured people since they have medical training.

Heroes with super speed can bring civilians with medical training to help those injured, it's really not that hard.

>>85800571
Plus Captain America DOES know first aide.
Steve as part of his military training and Sam as part of his missionary work and Avengers training.

>>85800612
I Like nightmare nurse shes slutfire done right and her powerset has interesting potential

>>85784424
What the fuck man

>>85787829
>>85787955
>>85788035
huh, really makes you think

>>85800571
>Superman can close and cauterize a wound.

Yeah, let's go around using eye beams to melt closed all the wounds of everyone on the train. Sounds like a great idea. You know what injured people don't react well to? Someone setting part of them on fire to help them out. I'm sure that feels great, by the way. Don't want to wait for some bandages to show up.

>>85800612
>Thor, and 2 people not there.

So they have one nurse. Wew. I guess she's just wasting her time fighting bad guys when she can be assisting a doctor.

>>85800612
>Heroes with super speed can bring civilians with medical training to help those injured, it's really not that hard.

Really. So where you gonna find these civilians with medical training? You going to take a doctor out of a hospital? You going to grab a few ambulances going around doing ambulance things without checking with anybody?

I'm sure that the person who called 911 would just love to hear that the ambulance and medical help dispatched to their house hijacked cause some superhero wanted to be helpful.

How about they instead let emergency services do what emergency services do and follow emergency services plans and take care of the emergency they need to service?

Maybe he's going to speed over to the nearest army base and steak a few dozen medics without asking anyone? They don't get to have a say on who goes where? "hold up flash-hole, I need to pick up my son from daycare, it's Tom's day on call.

So superspeedsters going to go through the paperwork and make sure he's not fucking over a few dozen people when he's "trying to help?" a few dozen others? That sounds great. He can superspeed to dispatch and superspeed through the on call roster and then superspeed to all their houses to check if they're actually ready and not taking a shit.

Even on-call doesn't mean "right now". It means in human time and speed. You gotta hope that having the Flash up your ass doesn't make you forget to grab your go-bag.

>>85800655
>Steve as part of his military training and Sam as part of his missionary work and Avengers training.

"Avengers training"

I had basic first aid in the army. You know what that qualifies me to do when I stumble upon an injured person? Jack shit. If you're on fire I'll try to put you out. Other than that I'm leaving you the fuck alone unless you're gushing blood at which point I'll leave you alone from further away.

And I'm sure that Steve's 80 year old first AID training is a big help to people. You think he's carrying around leeches or whatever in the fuck they did back in the stone age? I think CPR back then was "beat with club, beg animal spirits to return ghost."

>>85801175
>And I'm sure that Steve's 80 year old first AID training is a big help to people.

Wow I'm sure that he never fucking updates his training. What fucking bullshit.

>>85801263
Don't bother arguing with him. He's the same shitposter who trolled the last two Champions threads to death.
Just report him when he makes his personal attacks.

>>85784391
>basically done with Marvel
>still interested in this and USAvengers

Kamala, Sam, Cho have all been good, Visions was good, and Miles has been somewhat starting to get a defined character since coming to the 616.

It's crazy to me the Original X-men stuff is still going on.

>>85801107
>Wrew. I guess she's just wasting her time fighting bad guys when she can be assisting a doctor.
She can do both and they can get Strange nd Night Nurse easily

>Really. So where you gonna find these civilians with medical training? You going to take a doctor out of a hospital? You going to grab a few ambulances going around doing ambulance things without checking with anybody?

It's a world with superheroes so it would be stupid not to think they have an extra medical team on standby for these kind of things in different facilities, duh.

>>85798218
Dammit kid arachnid. You can't throw the R word around like that. It's THEYR word.

>>85784473
>I wanted to use muh powers to help people
>saving their lives isnt helping

>wanting to be part of the clean up crew
Identity Crisis when?

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>>85784668

>bova milk

>>85801107
Superman is somebody you just trust anon maybe if it was some unknown burning you there would be panic but superman saying he is helping will calm things down.

>>85787312
>And the common Marvel fodder will look up and shout "SAVE US!".
>And I'll look down and whisper "You're probably covered by insurance."

>>85787312
Its the fucking civil war movie argument again

God, that fucking dumbass treaty or whatever still pisses me off

>>85788868
>>85788978
I can't believe Scott Summers is fucking dead

>>85784596

That Cyclops pose. Flyclops memories!

I can already tell this is going to be one of those books where people will be rolling their eyes continuously at the dumb shit these teenagers come up with - like they're the first ones to have an idealized view of the world and want to do something more than punch things in the face. And of course these teens are going to fancy themselves as revolutionaries before status quo reverts them back into the basic heroes they were before their big epiphany of being "better".

We've been here before. And we'll be there again. and again. and again.

>>85802305
>oh god somebody turn off the punch dimension
>JEEEAAAAAN

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>>85802332

Nothing ends, Adrian. Nothing ever ends.

>>85798890

Story would have potential, skrull milk could make Kamala's power go terribly wrong.
The skrull milk hasn't been entirely destroyed, as far as I remember?

Bova was one of my favorite character as a kid, too bad she hasn't been used much.

I remember writing a fanfiction about her becoming a teacher at the X-men school. I've lost the script long ago (and nothing of value, etc.).

>>85800137
Unless you're going to beat-up all corrupt CEO's in the world, arrest them for life without a trial and keep them isolated from the rest of the world, then you really can't do shit about it.

>>85799665
>Bendis hate the kid.
Has Bendis ever even written Sam before.

>>85784639
If conformer this will become my new favourite ship

>>85804334
He said on his tumblr that he likes him and thinks "Sam is the one true Nova :^)"

>>85806166
Bendis doesn't even know how to spell "Rider" so who cares about that asshole.

>>85787354
you sound really triggered friend

calm down

>>85806225
Well, right now, it's looking like he'll most likely end up writing Nova next. So, get ready for some shit.