The Rogues Are The Villains of Flash Movie

>>85763698
So they dropped the wheelchair philanthropist Eobard shit? I hope so.

>no Glider

>>85763698
DC, STOP! You idiots are rushing things! Have you learned nothing about movies that introduce 3 or more villains?

This will be a train wreck on the scope of Spiderman 3.

>>85763698
so I guess this is due to them wanting to differentiate from the series and the reception of Jai's Boomerang

or this is complete bullshit

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>>85763891
we already got a qt glider on cw

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>>85763936

>>85763936
>Spider-Man 3 meme again
TWS had 3 villains
Begins and TDK had 2 villains

>>85763698
Thank fuck. They're obviously not doing the Rogues in the show as Big Bads anytime soon

>>85764017
>Begins and TDK had 2 villains
>implying that introducing 2 villas is the same as cramming the backstory of 5 to 8 in the same movie

>>85763698
so the first script is completely gone then?

thank god

>>85764017
I love Begins, but it's not really a good example of multiple villains. Scarecrow ended up doing next to nothing in the end.

Literally no piece of news other than Snyder being fired matters

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>>85764175
Snyder's in it for the whole ride

> TV show ruins movie worthy big villains instead of using budget friendly and character driven Rogues

i'm so mad about show's direction

>>85763936
Oh yeah because Heatwave can hold a movie. This is a rare case where multiple villains can work, just have Cold as the lead role

>>85763698
>Umberto Gonzales

Remind me why should I believe him?

>>85763698
It's either them or another speedster.
It's not like Flash has a great variety of villains anyway, only GL and Cyborg are in a worse situation

>>85763936
That's the only way Rogues works you pleb. None of those villains are worth a movie alone.

>>85764229
because he works at the Wrap now, a hollywood trade, so basically he can't fuck up

>>85764219
fuck off with Cold, he is already shilled enough

>>85763698
If it wasn't for the current state of the DCEU and the precedent that's been set for superhero movies with more than two antagonists so many times before, I'd probably be fucking hyped. The Rogues were sorely lacking in Flash S2, and it'd be awesome to see them all together.

>>85764219
Cold, Trickster, and Mirror Master are too much for one movie.

>>85763941
it also lines up well with ezra's cartoony portrayal of barry.

> tfw movie ends with flash having a party with rogues

>>85764275
>That's the only way Rogues works
Then the movie will fail. There is just too much being crammed in. They need proper set up and villains like the Rouges are better suited for TV than movies.

>>85764391
>Rouges are better suited for TV than movies.

I can't argue with that. Rogues are given to flash on golden plate for cartoons and tv.

and yet CW keeps shitting on Savitar and Black Flash instead

>>85764287
Huh, didn't know that. I thought he still did "leaks" that his "insiders" sources told him to post

Damn, hopefully this is true and good.

I was wanting to do a Flash "screenplay" for a writing exercise and I was gonna include the Rogues as the baddies. Maybe just 3 of em, Cold, Heat Wave, Mirror Master. The first act or so was gonna be Flash beating them individually one by one, and the dumbasses at the Central City jail put em all in the same holding cell and they plot from there.

But damn, rumor is DC is going all out with the rogues? Fuck. Gonna be tricky.

>Rogues without Boomerang
This movie will get shelved anyways.

>>85764103
>Implying we need a deep backstory for each and every rogue
That shit can be developed later or hinted at in dialogue. Not every character needs a whole movie of backstory.

>>85764595
When was the last time Digger(not Owen) even interacted with the Rogues

>>85764296
>C-list villain becomes recurring character on CW shows
>"buhhh he's too shilled"

>>85764601
Normally I'd agree with this, but Suicide Squad shows they kinda struggle with that, and just pouts a big bio on screen with their backstories and special skills on screen for about 5 seconds, then never bring up anything about them again unless it relates to some exaggerated personality type they were given.

>Boomerang: I'm a dick
>Katana: I'm Japanese
>Deadshot: I'm Will Smith
>Harley Quinn: I'm wacky xD
>Diablo: MY FAMILY!
>Slipknot: I'm going to die 5 minutes into the plot.

>>85764601
>Not every character needs a whole movie of backstory.
That is correct, but when dealing with a group as big as the Rouges, even a basic backstory is going to take a lot of the movie, and all but 1 or 2 are going to be about as important as Bane in Batman and Robin.

>>85765037
he is a protagonist in one of those shows too

>>85765047
Dont forget
Waller
Joker
GI John Doe
Enchantress
Enchantress Bro

>>85765189
>Joker: Sir not appearing in this film

>>85763936
>there is no such thing as an ensemble movie
MCUck pls.

And doesn't Spiderman Homecoming have 3 villains?

>>85764219
>muh Captain Cuck

fuck off. Mirror Master or nobody

>>85764211
Dorito kino

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>>85764065
They're doing it in season 3.

>>85764214
>TV show ruins movie worthy big villains

Such as?

>>85765778
Not anymore they aren't.

>>85765778
No they aren't. They obviously aren't.

>>85765458
Not really. The villain is the Vulture, Tinkerer is essentially his repairman and there's an opening scene with the Shocker.

A very different beast from the Rogues operating in tandem for an entire movie.

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>>85763936
Well there is one

>>85765881
They actually confirmed Mirror Master and the Top are coming in episode 4 and butting heads with Captain Cold.

Apparently they're setting up Mirror Master to take over assembling the Rogues since Cold and Heatwave are tangled up in "Legends of Tomorrow".

Mirror Master, Top and Magenta are confirmed to be recurring, Weather Wizard is expected to come back. No Cold, Heatwave or Glider, though.

>>85765998
You are delusional. By that logic we got Rogues in season 1 when two met and worked together and again in season 2 when 3 worked together.

>>85763936
>Spider-Man 3
>Each villain had their own plotline and it became a cluttered mess
>Flash Movie
>Every villain is in a team together and working towards the same goal
None of them can really hold a movie on their own. I think making the Rogues the villains is a fantastic idea and will work.

>>85766069
What do you consider Rogues, bro.

Just do them Ocean Eleven style.

The Rogues come together to pull a heist and are caught by the Flash. They're in jail and there their relationship deepen and does their desire to take revenge.

When they get out of jail they set up a complicated plan to take down the Flash where each rogue will have a part in it.

>>85763936
Batman Begins and The Dark Knight both did that and turned out fine.

>>85764264
>It's not like Flash has a great variety of villains anyway
Flash/Spiderman/Batman are considered to have the best villains you twat.

>>85766312
Honestly, it would take nothing for the Rogues to be caught in the first act through montage.

>>85766312
>>85766457
>DUDE! NO WAY! YOU were captured by The Flash! I was captured by The Flash! Dude! DUDE! You gotta meet these other guys! They were ALSO captured by The Flash!

>>85766516
Yeah...that's kinda what goes down.

Except for the first time when they were all being mind controlled by Gorilla Grodd

>>85764948

Since before the New 52.

He's been exclusive to Suicide Squad and never interacted with any of them in Forever Evil.

>>85766543
Yeah, only Buccellato has implied that Digger had been a Central City villain

>>85763698
I'm okay with this. The show is already Reverse Flash/Zoom-oriented (both in the form of Eobard and Zolomon) so having The Rogues as the big bad in their own film actually makes it easier to stomach this as a new thing of its own. Also the fact that it's not an origin film with the Flash being around for a while now means that easing into The Rogues will be that much easier.

>>85766457

But that's the fun part. Show them as professional criminals they came together to pull a big job that would retire them/make their lives better. They at this point don't know each other well. They're just professionais doing a job. Flash catches them.

So they're all send to the same jail and while there their lives fall apart. Captain Cold's sister get sick. Mirror Master turn to drugs. Heatwave got his body burned in the heist. So on. They initially blame each other in jail, fighing among themselves, but eventually they get to know each other better and plan for their revenge. This is where the audience get to know them better and how fun they're interacting with one another.

Then they escape and start putting in motion their biggest plan ever: take down the Flash for ruining their lives.

The movie would be 70% about the Rogues and 30% Flash.
You know, like the second or third Ocean Eleven movie. Forgot which one.

>>85764103
The Rogues don't really have backstories. They're more like "If Ocean's 11 carried science-guns"

>>85766543
To be fair, Digger was part of Ostrander's Squad so it makes sense for him to be on the Nu52 Squad.

>>85766593
That's more the second one.

And yeah, that's great too.
I was more along the lines of people saying it would be too cramped.

The Rogues have that versatility where you can go either route.

>>85765103
>character plays an important roll in something non-comic related for the first time in his existence
>overshilled
Nah nigga. Come back when he turns into Deathstroke circa 2010-2013

>>85766593
>>85766619

The end of the movie would be them getting caught but being okay with it because they managed to hurt the Flash in some way and prove themselves worthy of the challenge, and because they know they can easily escape jail.

>>85766651
Personally I like the idea of having the first half of them all getting caught.

And that is when Cold busts out the trump card that is Mirror Master which leads us into the second half where they plan on striking at the Flash

>>85766377
that's only true for Spiderman and Batman
only Flashfags try to convince people his rogue gallery is great but no one other than them believes it

awesome DC movieverse gets to gritty up Johns gritted up rogues. can't wait for more Mirror Master on coke shit

>>85766593
That's a pretty lame idea, bro.

>>85766623
>deathstroke
>shilled

he barely was in Arrow
if he was on the level of Cold he would be a co.star at this point
outside of Zoom Cold is the one with the most episodes in Flash while also being a main character in LoT

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>>85763698
>Black Manta
>Rouges

Based Jones

>>85766697
lol no.

>>85763936
>spider-man 3 did it bad so now every movie does it bad
>now knowing the Rouges are all one character practically

>>85763845
So do I. It's only going to result in unflattering comparisons to the show.

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oh shit is based Boomerang gona boomerang back!

QUICK!
How do you tease Reverse-Flash in this movie?!

>>85767118
the origin scene?

>>85766377
>spiderman'
>good villains

nigger what

people only consider his villains "good" because he's a character with a dedicated rouges gallery. By and large Spiderman's villains are pure shit.

Cool. I don't know why people believed the rumored synopsis that's similar to the TV show. That's literally just Berlantis movie that never got made.

>>85766346
They only had 2 villains, not 5+

>>85766593
sounds retarded

I could see this working eobard style but they would never go for it

>Have "ezra miller" playing flash when its really eobard from future who traveled back and pretended to be barry.
>have us follow him round for like 30 minutes before we realize something is wrong
>real flash shows up, eobard escapes
>we see his backstory and his love for flash
>after barry basically disowning him, his hatred grows and he plots to go back and take from everything from barry
>but not before he fucks up his own timeline by making killing his parents and the love of his life

>>85763698
I hope the Trickster is played by Mark Hamill again.

>>85766819
I feel like Johns' DCEU is slowly clawing its way towards quality with moves like this.

>>85764103
Technically Zsasz is in Begins also.

>>85763936
>le Spider Man 3 is bad meme

Grow the fuck up

>>85765939
So its okay when Marvel does it

Gotcha

>>85763698
Captain Boomerang
>already set up in Suicide Squad, regardless he's an Australian who throws Boomerangs

Captain Cold
>has a Cold gun. Shoots it.

Heatwave
>see above but with fire

Trickster
>obviously not Joker

Mirror Master
>Uses mirrors

None of the rogues really have any good character arcs that could carry a movie. They're basically bank robbers with fancy equipment.

And all the information you need is basically in their names anyway.

>Flash movie is going to have Professor Zoom as the main villain

WAAAAAAAAAH WHY DOES BARRY ONLY FIGHT EVIL SOEEDSTERS NOWADAYS

>Flash movie is going to have the Rogues as the main villains

WAAAAAAAAAH THERE'S TOO MANY VILLAINS FOR ONE MOVIE

>>85767768
Quit crying, DC fan.

>>85767393
PROTIP: It isn't.

>>85767259
Because it wasn't.

Rick Famuyiwa reportedly rewrote the script, though.

That, if Mayimbe is even right, which he might very well not be.

>>85768256
>middle ground doesn't exist

>>85766697
Flash has a number of villains who would probably be incredibly dangerous if they were up against literally anyone BUT Flash.

Brave and the Bold has them smack the shit out of Batman pretty easily until Old Flash and Kid Flash came in.

>>85767972
That's all supervillains, that and despots.

>>85763698
Fucking awesome. Glad the movies are playing it smart and not doing an evil speedster. If only the CW show would learn.

>>85765515
Cold and Mirror Master were the leaders of the Rogues. They should both be the big bads.

>>85765037
He's an A-list Flash villain though. Yes in the grand scheme of DC though he is C-List.

>>85763936
Are you the same anon that always freaks out every time more than one villain is confirmed for a superhero movie?

>>85766735
Deathstroke has far more normie exposure than Cold.

>>85770411
DC has S-listers like the Joker and Lex luthor, and half of the batman villians are A-listers, being a C-lister in DC is nothing to be ashamed of.

>>85763698
I really want to get hyped but I just can't

>>85766735
Deathstroke had way more exposure than just the CW. He was in Teen Titans, MK vs. DC, Andy Young Justice before he was even on Arrow.

>>85763698
If Wonder Woman flops, I'm betting this movie gets canned

>>85767738
>Grow the fuck up
Funny, cause only a little kid could think Spider Man 3 was any good.

>>85764305
>The Rogues all wear normal outfits
>All of them have Meta Human Powers

>>85768399
>Only Captain Cold
WAAAAAAAAAH WHY DON'T THEY USE THE REST OF THE ROGUES

>>85766697
You're wrong.

Spider-man and Batman have the best villains. Flash is a strong third.

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>>85768399
TURTLE MAN? FUCKING TURTLEMAN!!!?

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>>85763698
They'll never have the one that matters though.

>>85773029
>things that never happened

>>85766697
I'm not even mad, because you are the one in denial.

>>85773247
We can only wish, anon.

>>85764264
GL has a ton of great villains tho. They may be obscure, but that doesn't mean they can't hold a movie.

>>85767972
>None of the rogues really have any good character arcs that could carry a movie. They're basically bank robbers with fancy equipment.

And this is why you use all of them. Having villains cooperate would be a breath of fresh air. The simplicity of the Rogues is what makes them so interesting. They're just trying to make out with a big score. They don't care about world domination or anything that a typical movie villain (especially MCU Villains™) care about.

If anything, I say you loosely adapt Rogue War. Have the establish the gang in the first act. Have them fall apart in the second. Have the Flash trying to minimize damage, casualties, and stop the in-fighting in the third.

>>85773891
Rogue War would be amazing on film. It'd have to be altered a bit because there's so much backstory involved, but it'd be a great movie.

>>85763936

Well that didn't take long.

>>85768399

You're damn right it doesn't.

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>>85764275
A think the Rogues are deep enough characters to hold a film on their own, but one of the primary appeals of the Rogues is their interaction and ability to bounce off each other, so they're served best as a package deal. They're an almost unique case of a supervillain team in which the members treat each other like family.

>>85763936
This idiot probably just heard about them, though, and most likely knows nothing beyond the MCU. Having them go solo's like doing the same for the X-Men.

>>85773132
Flash has better villains than Batman, and far better villains than Spider-Man. Batman's villains almost all rely on "I'm crazy" as their character motivation. The Rogues feel far more human.

>>85763698
Adult here who has not purchased a comic since I was 14 (know zip about flashs rouges), anyway couldnt "the rouges" work as a group of escaped or recently released villains trying to make a score, failing individually and thus teaming up. Flash can do his world building (intro to his job/close friend and maybe his mother if shes still alive).

Heck you just need some scenes with police stating the crime scene, bank videos and then a meeting between the rouges where they argue about whos in charge (views get to see some of their personalities and powers).

>>85765047
SS was missing a relevant reason for the team deciding to help flagg. A good 10-15 min could have added more to that film.

>>85774817
that comic pic is nice (character wise).

>>85775227
I can almost reason everyone helping Flagg except Boomer. He left immediately after Flagg broke the device, wasn't there for the "Fuck it, let's help him anyways" moment, such as it was, and then showed up for the badass walk down the empty street slo mo. Why even?

>>85774817

What's this from?

>>85775178
Yeah, that's usually what they are for. Sometimes they do on the run stories as well.

>>85773891
>>85773941
I think this would be great. Just drop the Zoom/Thawne stuff and the Identity Crisis/FBI stuff. Make it a power struggle between the Rogues with The Flash/Central City caught in the middle.

As if the Rogues are such complex characters you need a lot of time to introduce.

>the "nothing personal" criminal with a cold gun who dresses like an eskimo
>the guy that uses mirror and is a drug addict
>the australian who throws boomerang
>the discount Joker
>some other lameass at random depending on the version

That sure was hard,

>>85775633
Its just some /tv/ or marvelfag whos upset DC has better villains.
You honestly do need everyone fucking backstory to care especially a villian.

>>85775633
I hope you're not the anon that says Cold doesn't kill unless it's personal. It's been established that he only kills if it's personal.

>>85775755
Shit! That came out wrong. Cold only kills when it's personal. He doesn't kill unless it's personal.

>>85763698
Based. Show that retarded TV show obsessed with evil speedsters how it's done.

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>>85775633
All you really need to do is explain the three rules. It's straightforward and says a lot about more their backstory personalities than a flashback/origin could.

>>85764391
I like to give a shout out to my boys at Marvel Studios for the utter destruction of cognitive function!

>>85775780
It's a shame, really. The main reason I was excited for a Flash show over movie was because they'd be able to set-up the Rogues properly, but they pretty much dropped that after Season 1. Season 2 had only two episodes dedicated to Cold or other Rogues. It's gotten to the point we're I'm more excited for the movie to deliver Rogues than the show. Hopefully Season 3 utilizes them better with the news of Mirror Master, Top and Magenta but I doubt it.

>>85763936
You don't have to give each one an origin story and their own character arc.

Audiences can understand who these characters are without knowing their life story.

>>85763936
>This will be a train wreck on the scope of Spiderman 3.
If I had a nickel for every time I've heard one of you retards say this I'd be rich enough to buy out Marvel and DC.

>>85775569
Flash v2 #195.

>>85763698
I kind of don't like this because Captain Cold on the show is just too fucking smooth operator

He's so damn likable

>>85776651
He's fucking awful. Or better said was, the actor is fucking off to do another Prison Break season.

>>85765811
Zoom

>>85776679
He's back. He signed a contract that allows him to be on all 4 DC CW shows of they want him. He's going to be in Season 3 episode 4 of Flash and Legends Season 2 as part of the Legion of Doom.

>>85776651
I'm not one of those people that was whining whenever someone on a tv show wasn't cast as the same character for a future movie, but I wouldn't mind Wentworth Miller portraying Snart on the big screen.

>>85764211
I LOVE YOU ZACK SNYDER!!!

>>85764214
I agree. Rogues are perfect for television but they try to go "bigger" with speedster after speedster.

>tfw DC has so many great characters they have to put a bunch of them in each movie

I wish DC was more like marvel where only a few characters were even slightly interesting

What took them so long? The wanted to become different from the show, that is the most obvious choice they could have done.

>>85763698
Serious question, when were these garbage sites right about any rumor? I know most of you /tv/ faggots have infested this board but if you're gonna circlejerk, at least do it on something worthwhile.

>>85767118
Post credits show the Flash Museum, off screen have a flash of light and "woomf" kinda sound effect. Show Eobard walk on screen and look at something. Pan over to show the Professor Zoom statue

>>85763698
>Boomerbutt in Flash
Aww yisss

>>85774817
>Killing ABBA

There goes any respect I had for the rouges

>>85775539
Boomerangs always come back, mate.

>>85765066
But, see, in comics the reader doesn't need to know how Cold got his powers or that he already knows Flash, because you can see with your eyes right there that he has a cold gun and you can discern with your brain from the dialogue that suggests Flash has fought him before.

There's a reason they don't recap a villain's origin story every time they show up and it's not because they assume you already know it.

I just don't understand why everyone places so much importance on origin stories. Especially with the Rogues all you need to know is they're criminals, and a scene demonstrating how their powers work.

None of them really have an interesting origin anyway.

People are citing Suicide Squad but that didn't really explain the origins of people like Boomer and Croc, it just showed what their abilities were.

>>85765811
Grodd, Thawne, Zoom and Savitar are all lackluster adaptations compared to what can be done with them on big screen.

only literal children and teens can enjoy their cw versions.

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>>85773247
One day anon

>>85763936
They're just bank robbers with weird shit, anon. They don't even need origin stories.

>>85779565
Their technology needs to be explained. But knowing DC we'll only get an awkward infodump and keep trudging along.

>>85779628
>Their technology needs to be explained
Because?

>>85779479
>only literal children and teens can enjoy their cw versions.
>thinking its any worse than comics

>>85779661
especially zoom is far FAR worse than comics

>>85779645
Because one of scriptwriting's basic rules is that you need to explain and contextualize the fantastical elements of your story.

>>85779731
Not really. He's different, but still entertaining until they dragged out his masterplan.

/co/ just developed a hateboner for it.

>>85779479
Thawne was pretty great, anon, probably one of the best capeshit villains so far.

I agree with Zoom though, they made him really generic.

>>85779789
This.

But with DC's track record of ignoring the rules of film making it is possible that they won't even have a reason to fight Flash other than they were board and wanted to be super villains.
The Rouges first encounter with the Flash will be as a group and undermine the whole point of them coming together.

>>85780019
I can't believe Johns let them get away with doing that to Hunter.

>>85781096
I mean, he wasn't Hunter, really, he was Johnny Quick with a hint of Ultraman and Earth 2 was a budget Earth 3.

>>85781618
He was from Earth 2 (3) so I guess there is still a chance for a proper Hunter.

>>85780019
Thawne lost all speciality in one season. They wasted him prematurely.

Zolomon was a shitshow, especially with that dumb Caitlin romance.

>>85763972
qt yes

But we could get a real blonde this time, or next