So what exactly killed Nickelodeon?

>>85752634
The same thing that kills most entertainment industries, bad ideas by board directors that have no understanding of what children( or the consumer in general) actually want and aren't open to new ideas.

But, Nickelodeon isn't as bad as it used to be, but that's kinda of a backhanded compliment. Then again, with Disney only airing its good stuff on a premium channel and CN making horrible reboots. Nearly all of them are fucking terrible.

>>85752634
The minute it went corporate and eventually airing SpongeBob SquarePants.

>>85753416
What's wrong with Spongebob?

>>85753446
The show is a double-edged sword.

It is a fantastic comedy for nearly all age-groups.

However, it was too successful for it's own good, and thus, Nickelodeon milked it continuously and never bothered to truly come out of their comfort zones for a while, more so since Avatar ended.

>>85753446
originally nothing, but when they started shifting their schedule to 22-23 hours of Spongebob every day things started to go downhill

>>85752634
Honestly? Plain bad luck.

Schneider had 2 good shows and 2 bad ones.
Cartoon Network successfully bid for and got a lot of the most popular cartoons airing today (SU, Regular Show, Gumball, etc.).
The writers of their golden age shows either gone or the shows they wrote for ended (Avatar, Rugrats, Fairly Odd Parents, Spongebob).

It's hard to pinpoint what exactly went wrong. They had great shows, then those shows died or sucked, and now here we are. That's really all there is to it.

>>85752634
You.

You killed Nickelodeon.

Them canceling invader zim

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>>85754190

Copying Disney in the live action department instead of you know making more cartoons.

>>85752634
It was all of the shitty live action shit. Everything after Drake and Josh was complete trash.

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>>85752634
*I* killed Nickelodeon! I ran 'em over with my truck!

>>85754390
Wilbur Cobb is hands down the best Ren & Stimpy character.

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>>85752634

>>85752634
dan "the hymen divider" schneider

>>85753890
They are now in recovery. Its one of the reasons they built the new building. Going with a more production focused shop and less executive overmanagement.

>>85753890
You mean Dan "four fingers inside her" Schneider?

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>>85754389
But the live action shows gave us some of the best fap material on television.

>>85755106
I can't fap to this. There aren't even any feet.

>>85755132
Fuck off, Dan.

>>85755132
Not everyone shares your niche fetish. One of them has high heels, the others have thigh-high boots, that's enough for the rest of us.

>>85753890
>Honestly? Plain bad luck.
That and very bad decisions, they had the chance to pick up both Adventure Time and Modifyers but turned them down. Sad

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>>85755578

They ain't dead yet anon

>>85753890
>Schneider
who?

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because pop culture is cyclical and while they used to have a ton of great cartoons, they slowly added more and more live action shows until it became nothing but Dan "get in the van" schnieder. now that they've gone too far in that direction, the kids who grew up during their golden age are starting to gain higher-up positions at Nick and making an effort to go back to more animation. Shows like Harvey Beaks and Loud House both come from guys who storyboarded and directed on old nicktoons.

if this trend continues, nick will eventually be full of good cartoons again. then the next generation will start adding more live action shows to add more variety. its the circle of life

idk im talking out my ass tho

>>85755832
Dan "sniffer of shima-pan" Schneider-san as he's known n Japan

>>85755132
I hate feet, but I can't fap either. Too much makeup on too young of girls and their cloths are frumpy.

>>85755715
might as well be with how shit they've become

Live shows.

>>85752634
They need to buy the broadcast rights to the Laika's films and marathon them on Halloween.

>>85752634

Getting sucked up in a war with the Disney Channel making tween sitcoms after Drake and Josh actually managed to find an audience, leaving Spongebob and FOP to cannibalize all other cartoons on the network. When all was said and done CN was the one with all the new blood.

>>85752692
WHY HASN'T NETFLIX SAVED ANIMATION YET GODDAMMIT.

THEY HAVE HIT AFTER HIT AMAZING LIVE ACTION SHOWS BUT LIKE, A SINGLE ANIMATED SHOW WORTH WATCHING. BUT EVEN THEN, IT'S ONLY FOR THE STORY NOT THE VISUALS.

WHY THE FUCK HAVEN'T THEY MADE A GOOD LOOKING ANIMATED SHOW WITH AN INTERESTING STORY YET REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>85752634
the internet

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>>85757739

They always had live action. But they overuse Dan "get in the van" Schneider.

>All That
>Kenan and Kel
>Amanda Show
>Drake and Josh
>Zoey 101
>iCarly
>Victorious
>Sam and Kat
>Game Shakers

They really need to let this guy go.

>>85755106

They were still trying to engineer a pop icon and ultimately did, but it wasn't Victoria Justice and Ariana made most of her money outside of her contract with Nickelodeon.

They had fucking MIRANDA COSGROVE puke out some pop drivel while iCarly was still on but they never managed to get the actual singers anywhere.

>>85754269
>muh edgy kids show

fuck off with your 2000's emo hot topic garbage

>>85757851

Jews.

>>85757851
Patience, anon. Bojack horseman was the first step.

>>85757883
wait this is the dan "insert pedo joke" schneider meme? He made all those shows? Why is he still making shit for them if he's done lewd things to underages?

>>85757851

Just watch anime. The west is so far behind, it's not even funny.

>>85757941
he's a kike

>>85757941
>he made all those shows
That's your answer. He's making money.

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>>85757941

>Why is he still making shit for them if he's done lewd things to underages?

How do you think these underages got their own show to begin with? Hint: It's not "talent".

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>live action Nick

>>85758016
>>85758022

I guess money really does talk.

>>85758048
>a black man and a white woman in the same show reeeee
Retard

>>85757851
>Stranger things season 2 when

>killed
>it's currently the strongest network

2013 called, they want their thread back.

>>85758115

Television must truly be a dying industry if that's true.

>>85755106
But those are children

Legend of korra for me. Killed all hope in nick ever trying to make a good mature cartoon.

>>85755106

Holy shit did Victoria Justice ever get screwed over. Getting her own show was the peak of her career, when she was clearly meant to use that as a springboard to real-life superstardom

Instead, the girl who played the retarded chick on the show (Ariana) somehow gets the real-life spotlight and is one of the biggest names in the music industry today

That had to suck.....

>>85753890
>Cartoon Network successfully bid for and got a lot of the most popular cartoons airing today (SU, Regular Show, Gumball, etc.).

This shit wasn't even a thought in anybodies mind when Nick was at its prime. This shit all came after Nick fell

>>85757883

Say what you want about Schneider but there is no denying that his formula for live/action kids/teen shows works. Damn near all of his shows were popular.

He clearly knows what kids want to see. That's a good thing when it comes to making shows. It's NOT a good thing when it comes to his alleged perverted activities behind the scenes.

>>85757946
>>a

>>85752634
The fall of Klasky Csupo which helped to establish the network's reputation.

>>85752634
Playing it safe

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>>85758048
>it's fucking true

>>85758064
>shows how Bella and the Bulldogs have cuckold themes
>"lol he's just whining about black people and white people being in the same show, lol what a REEtard amirite??"

>>85758064
>I didn't even read any of the post: the post

No one is crying because of the black kid. They're pointing out that the show creator obviously has cuckold shit in the show.

>>85758639
your point being...?

the insipid idea that children are somehow smarter or more capable than adults.

Children are idiots.

Have any of the stars of those shows ever spoken out against him?

Did any of them ever come out and say, "He raped me, he touched me, ect. ect.?

>>85758115
"Nick is Currently the strongest Network"

Not while Steven Universe exists anon.

>>85761564
Fanboy and Chum Chum cuck crap also

>>85762170
>no ratingsverse popular

>>85753890
>golden age shows
>Avatar
>Fairly Odd Parents

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>>85757946
>good anime
>Netflix

It's pretty well understood that Nickelodeon died when they funneled all of their resources into Spongebob and let other cartoons and other ideas go undeveloped.

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Anon is wrong, Nickelodeon is thriving as it is.
And don't forget to watch the new episodes your favorite cartoon:The Loud House.

>>85757941
Hollywood is run by very evil people, anon.

>>85757946
>year of the lord 2016
>watching chinese cartoons

They stopped the Super Toy Run.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZ_aY9U9o9w

Going by that logo, probably Dan Schneider.

Getting rid of all of their great game shows that actually gave away cash and cool prizes and replacing them with tween crap and shit shows where the only prize was a shitty trophy.

And too much crap from from Claspy-kupo or whatever.

No other cartoon kept up with SpongeBob

>>85761618
To be fair nearly everything is labeled cuckshit now

>>85752634
You grew up. Childhood/teen culture doesn't resonate with you anymore.

>>85763244
Dude.. Most anime is produced in Japan.

>>85763444
To be fair, cuckholdry is one of the oldest and pervasive themes in western art and culture.

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>>85763244
You're missing out.

>>85763178
yeah, but has anybody actually said or done anything, or is it just a rumor?

We all remember the pedo inquisition, right?

just cause someone is a fat creepy fuck doesn't mean they rape little girls. people are perfectly capable of being terrible without committing mortal sins.

>>85763046
>Anon is wrong, Nickelodeon is thriving as it is.

I thought you're joking, but apparently the network did have some good ratings in early August. Lucky them.

http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20160802007057/en/Nickelodeon-Scores-52-Straight-Weeks-Number-Wins

>>85763264
>Implying there are even good toys to grab anymore

Not saying he didn't do it, but if you're going to play a hunch, you should follow through.

>>85763507
>being this new
Fuck off and lurk moar por favor

>>85762009
If Dan goes down, he takes them down with him

the excessive amount of shitty live action shows

>>85763710
Do they still show Spongebob repeats all day? Does anyone have that image from when Korra and YJ were airing showing the top 50 kids' shows for the week, and something like 40 of them were Spongebob?

That's pretty emblematic of the problem with Nick. They haven't created anything or any combination of things that could come close to the Spongebob juggernaut.

>>85763507
Look at the credits for once, over half the names are chinese or korean.

>>85764218
Spongebob has been in season 9 for four years now.

>>85757883
>>85758022
Jesus Christ, why is he allowed near teens? He looks like an alley rapist.

>>85758022
Is she crying?

Loud House is carrying Nickelodeon.

anyone got that picture of their hq then and now?

shit makes me sad

>>85757900
>emo
Zim was upbeat and fun. Try watching it sometime.

>>85755126
Quantity doesn't equal quality, if you want to be like that look at family guy

It was a combination of Fairly Odd Parents, SpongeBob and Dan

>>85753416
Try not getting your opinions from a fucking youtube video you fucking sheep. Couldn't even reword it

>>85766576
What youtube video?

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>>85765991

>>85752634
Probably Spongebob, it was great in itself but Nick focused on it to the exclusion of other things. Basically it's creative Dutch Disease.

Nick fell about as hard as Cartoon Network did and at around the same time (though it had AtLA while CN had nothing), but the latter recovered somewhat.

>>85755578
Those are bad enough, but I'm still mad about Constant Payne going nowhere.

>>85754269
I hear offhandedly that the cut post-cancellation episodes are kinda lackluster, so maybe it died for the best.

>>85755106
I remember being 10-11 and having a crush on the Unfabulous chick despite never watching it.

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>>85766786

>>85752634
Huh. Now I realize why their logo was a giant foot.

>>85757900
It's the Final Fantasy 7 effect, the fandom ended up created a whole parallel show in their minds with a very different tone.

>>85763507
wee wew, you are new

>>85763046
I would do just that if they'd announce the new episode dates already.

>>85763735
This, more than anything else, is a topic where I'm not sure if toys are getting worse or I'm just old.

Then again, I never really got into action figures and playsets in the first place because vidya. That probably did huge damage to the toy industry.

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>>85766786
F

>>85760404
If it means anything to her I would fuck her over Ariana.

>>85753446
Nothing is wrong with the show in itself just how its ridiculous popularity made Nick lazy and over reliant on it for so many years they became out of touch with changing taste and neglected cultivating new series. Avatar was probably the only other hit they had during SB dominated era but even all the goodwill the original series gained has been run into the ground by the terrible movie and mishandling of Korra.

>>85762742
There's a couple anime gems on Netflix. Netflix-produced anime is fucking awful however.

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>>85766786
Seriously. How was this explained?

>Oh we're an animation and television company, biggest name in the industry. We're know for our cartoons and kids-first styling! Everyone loves our wacky colors and messy appearance!
>Wanna know what's a great idea? Suck the fucking fun out of everything! Our shows, our ideas, and even the place we work!

>>85768535
>How was this explained?

>By the fall of 2001, Nickelodeon Studios was down to a double-digit number of employees, and had begun to see a decline in visitors as Nickelodeon's live-action productions began to transition from game and stunt shows with audience participation to traditional children's sitcoms, many of which required closed-set production which discouraged visitors from viewing tapings.

This is just sad.

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Pig Goat Banana Cricket is one of their best shows in years IMO

>>85752634
Do you think getting Adventure Time would've saved Nick?

>>85768989
They probably wouldn't have the follow-through CN did, likely wouldn't have commissioned Regular Show or Gumball for starters.

Whether Steven Universe would air on alt-Nick is a tough call, since it was made by an Adventure Time breakaway but there's no telling how their execs would've handled it.

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She's the reason Nick killed themselves back in early 2006. As soon as she became president:

>90s-early 00s shows were removed, even reruns

>Shows like Avatar, Chalkzone, Catscratch, and Jenny the waifu were treated badly, moved around different timeslots and (in the latter three's case) not given a chance to develop, then cancelled

>Terrible shows like Naked brothers band, Back to the barnyard, Tak and the power of Juju, and post-movie Spongebob were spammed every day for hours on end - especially Spongebob.

>SpongeBob entered full Zombie Mode with the second half of season 4 onwards

>Dan "The Man with the Master Plan to get her into My Van" Schneider took over the network and converted it into a "soft porn for ephebophiles" network

>>85770142
It's hard to dispute Dan Schneider's success, though. The shows he made were pretty much all really popular.

>>85767240
Final Fantasy 7 effect? What do you mean? Legitimlately curious here.

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>>85770142
>Tak and the power of Juju

That show's existence was worth it just for Jeera's feet

>>85770396
Your waifu is hideous poorly animated trash

desu most of Nickelodeon's early reputation was built on importing Canadian shows that were designed to satisfy the Canadian government. Stuff like You Can't Do That On Television (which actually invented the slime) and The Elephant Show were Canadian imports that Nick could grab regional rights to.

NickToons (Rugrats/Doug/R&S) came out before World Premiere Toons (Powerpuff/Bravo/Dexter) so Nick had an early advantage in creating their own shows but they kind of pissed it away. Some of it is that they just didn't appear have any standards for animation whatsoever. Many of their shows "looked" awful. Rugrats and R&S had okay art for what they were trying to do, but Fairly Oddparents and SpongeBob just look ugly as shit to someone who is an idle observer.

I don't watch Adventure Time or Steven Universe either, but those shows actually have charming art styles that are uniquely their own but look quality.

>>85768535
It was explained because the need for live game shows diminished. It also happened about the same time Disney shut down the animation unit they were running out of Orlando as well, so the whole "Hollywood East" push of putting studio production stuff in Orlando and letting theme park audiences watch, which was such a draw for 1988-1999, was finally over.

>>85764218
Spongebob is now only shown on weekdays for two and a half non-consecutive hours. The weekends tend to have twice as much Spongebob, but still the network has split its time between its cartoons and its live-action.

>>85770696
Yeah, it pretty much goes:
>Nick Jr. block -> mini block of Spongebob and whatever other cartoon is getting promoted until afternoon -> Tweenshit until Nick at Night

Rate the shows you've seen from best to worst.

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>>85752634
You're showing it, no but seriously Dan "Gonna Bend Her Like an Empty Can" Schneider shows basically runs that network now, I guess people really like feet, would explain the logo design.
>>85770182
>>85757883

They seem really good on paper, and I mean REEEEEALLY good, like sucking on a girl's toes before sex, lel just kidding. But i believe the reason why Nick is so in love with Dan"Don't be such a fighter" Schneider is because they are so fucking cheap, even Im amazed at how low the quality has gotten on these shows. Henry Danger is the worst example of this. With its cardboard sets and props and its cheap as fuck computer effects that any art school freshman could have made. I know its a sitcom but considering what the network used to do before its amazing. Nickelodeon used to be the leader in TV animation, shows like Ren and Stimpy played an important part in the whole Animation Renaissance of the 90s, but animation costs money, whereas this is cheaper than Indian costumers at a labor day sale.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pn0T0EOwUw8
>>85754971
Its because he was so real. He was a an accurate depiction of every big name veteran animator. There's one part where he says, "Just say everything stinks and everyone thinks you're right!" You could easily apply this to Miyazaki and specially Krickfalusi.

>>85770396
>that show's existence was worth it just for the games

FTFY

>Spongebob and FOP have been around for too long
>Dan "le funnay reference to pedophilia or feet" Schneider did creepy shit
>passive aggressive network shilling about how CN is doing so much better because it has shows that nobody off the internet cares about

There, I saved you from another one of these cancerous threads.

>>85752634
>Jack came tumbling towards the ground, getting at least one hit on the hawk….but about several on him
"ahhhh shit….i just gotta…."
>Jack was struggling more and more, he was about to hit the ground with sudden impact, until…
"BLOOD WINGS ACTIVATE"
>Jack was able to muster some of his strength to make his wings again, flying up just before he hit the ground
"holy shit that was close…way too close."
>Then Jack thinks back to the person he saw screaming at the side of the building, when he was up in the sky with the brutal birdbrain
"oh shit, i better go see if whoever that is is alright."

>>85771940
Dan's biggest crime isn't his Le funneh pedo maymay stautus. Rather it's the fact that he produces cheap that turn a big profit. He is to Nickelodeon what crack cocaine is to addicts: cheap and realiable.

>>85753416
The first airing of the pilot episode of Spongebob was very good. You had to be there to know.

Almost as good as the first time Interstella 5555 aired.

>>85761618
>connecting dots to random shit that doesn't even follow
>"cuckold themes"
number 23 syndrome

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The NUFN

It's not dead, SpongeBob merch probably still sells like hotcakes (and thanks to Hillenburg coming back, most people think it's rising in quality) and The Loud House is a ratings hit

>>85763489

I'm surprised the thread didn't implode from this post.

>>85771940
Great arguments against all three of those. Oh wait....

>>85766092
>Invader ZIM
>Upbeat

Fun, yes, but ZIM was cynical as fuck.

>>85766092
Are you one of those 14-20 year olds that watched it as a kid and then watched it again and it matched your sense of RANDUM HUMOR XDDD.DESTROY THE WORLD AMIRITE? XP

>>85758100
>lead actress from Heathers plays a mother losing her mind
>tight, character driven writing
>relatable stories

Why watch Steven Universe when this show will give you all the feels you ever wanted?

>>85766576
Everyone knows Spongebob went down after the movie when it was supposed to end. I don't think it was Spongebob alone. Fairly Oddparents suffered the exact same problem.

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>>85757946

>>85770385
Final Fantasy 7 when you look at it with no previous biases was a pretty light hearted, fun, adventure game about teenage heroes saving the world

Then when western autists and hambeasts got hold of it they created an alternate universe (rooted in spergy teenage angst) about it being this hot topic tier, super dramatic, edgy, emo game

FFS they turned Cloud's perception from "shounen hero" to a whiny depressing "CRAAAAWWWLIIIIIIIIIN IN MY SKIIIIIIIIIIIN" caricature that never existed

>>85757946
This may sound insane considering i'm posting on a Japanese image board, but i actually hate anime because of all the pandering. If i wanted to see a tan girl with massive tits and a super wedgie covered in 'sweat' moan for five minutes i would watch porn. I watch the show because i am interested in the characters and the plot, not the tits. Even anime that is normal by western standards will have at least one character who was made just to flash their tits. It just seems so retarded and unnecessary when the show grinds to a halt because they just had to have some girl wearing a white shirt fall into a puddle, or something equally retarded.

Also i don't know how people actually fall for the 'semen demon' meme because Japanese anime is a one trick pony with this shit. All the girls will have the same E-cup bust size, and they will all be wearing the same basic short skirt with a too-tight shirt. And they will have have the same ear-piercing moan.

>>85768912
It's a toss up for me. I feel that the art style is amazing; it has life and uniqueness to it most shows tend to lack. It's alot like El Tigere, in that it's so stylized but without being an eyesore, yet the writing is lackluster and the characters are more archetypes instead of people because the main characters are the nerd, idiot, asshole, and tomboy without really making them deeper. I'm not saying they need to be fully fleshed out with >DEEPEST LORE but can use some personality to stand out

>>85775511
http://goldenani.blogspot.com/2013/12/2012-o-brother-where-art-thou.html?m=1
Sounds like this is up your alley

>>85752692
why i stopped purchasing cable
why pay for programming if it's all going to be completely shit

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>>85770562
>Many of their shows "looked" awful.
>Fairly Oddparents and SpongeBob just look ugly as shit

>>85758048
I like how we just assume those images are real because nobody cares enough to watch the shitshow

>>85760500
Those shows are popular because there constantly advertised and aired 24/7, same reason teen titans go! is popular

>>85762009
Why would they speak out against the man who gave them their careers?

>>85758022
An over age man should not hug an under age girl like that it looks fucking creepy. Also she looks like she's crying. I can bet any accusations will pop up once he kills over.

They threw their personality and long term plan out the window to maximize their individual spongebob profits. Then when they lost all their allies and ambition, they could do nothing but spongebob to keep them afloat. TMNT also worked out pretty well for them on the side.

Thankfully, they finally realized they had to do something about this. It was a rocky road what with shit like Sanjay and Craig, but Nickelodeon finally got a good show again with Harvey Beaks and then Loud House. Lets hope they keep them both.

>>85775049
Are you one of those 12-13 year olds that thinks typing in all caps and spamming XD is a good argument?

>>85775511
>The only anime that exists is highschool of the dead and blood+
When will this meme end?

>>85776982
>NO YOU'RE UNDERAGE!!!!

Did you get a cute invader zim hoodie for the new school year?

>>85758100
Justice for Barb will be sometime next year.

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>>85777016
>I let the fanbase of the show ruin the show

>>85777016
>NO YOU'RE UNDERAGE!!!!
thanks for proving my point, retard :^)

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A few things:

>They let Schnider over stay his welcome after Drake and Josh
>pic related is (now all canceled) the nicktoons line up post 2004 and pre 2011. It's either promotional shows, CGI pandering, or both. The only outlier is Mighty B which got canned after 2 seasons. Pre School days was abysmal.
>the current nicktoons line up is post movie Spongebob, Fairly Odd Corpse, something called Pig Goat Banana Cricket, and Harvey Beaks. The only good outlier is Loud House.
>They've put all their money into hoping their live action line up sticks. There's nothing running now that is past season 3.

Basically they gave up trying to be an animation network after they failed in the mid 2000s after Avatar ended and they had nothing else to back up their ratings in the cartoon department. They did, however, break even with the help of the ending season of Drake and Josh and the launch of iCarly. After Korra failed to land correctly, that they figured that Cartoon Network had won.

>>85777051
El Tigre was enjoyable for what it was desu
I don't know how I watched Tak or Barnyard and enjoyed them though.

>>85777051

They are looking to change that. One of the reasons they built the new complex. More room and giving the production teams more freedom.

If they can master a quicker time table and aren't as sluggish as Disney with putting out shows. Then they could have a solid comeback.

I keep watch on the job boards for possible employment and they've got a few animated shows they are staffing for right now along with the revivals.

>>85777027
I never said that. I said the fans are annoying cunts. That are attracted to the wacky random humor. POTATO! Was that funny? I'm guessing so.
>>85777036
See here.

>>85756017
noice


Dan "Shut your mouth and think of your career" Schneider
Dan "If her age is on the clock, I grant her access to my cock" Schneider
Dan "wipe away that tear, it's for your career" Schneider
Dan "I touch my meat to your daughter's feet" Schneider
Dan "You wanna be on Nick, you gotta take this dick" Schneider
Dan "I beat my meat to little girls' feet" Schneider
Dan "Socks are on ban when you're in my van" Schneider
Dan "those 12yo feet, make me skeet, skeet, skeet" Schnieder
Dan "Be a trooper, take it in the pooper" Schneider

Dan "If you let me put it in the brown, I'll make you a star in Tinseltown" Schneider

One thing that worries me is the continued shakeup at Viacom.

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/envelope/cotown/la-et-ct-dooley-viacom-redstone-20160824-snap-story.html

>Many expect Dooley to make changes, including possibly retooling Viacom’s television networks group, which includes MTV, Nickelodeon, VH1, BET and Comedy Central, which have seen a steep ratings fall. The TV networks are vital, producing virtually all of Viacom’s profits.

While Loud House is doing well its nowhere near the apex of The Sponge from a few years ago.

I'd love to see more investment into Nick but you can never tell with executives. Especially those with a money management background.

>>85752634
Kids grew up and stay past their welcome to judge kids shows for kids

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>>85777027
>thinking a shit fanbase isnt attracted to shit content

>>85763444
>>85758064
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3199719/
Really makes you think

>>85758048
Bella wrapped its series run back in June BTW

>>85777171
Dauman was a damn idiot, during his ten year reign as CEO of Viacom he never really grew the company, he just kept its existing properties under a tight leash, never tried to expand digitally with him reaching out to YouTube or Hulu and instead tried to sue and/or quit negotiations with them. His bullshit with carrier disputes is also another reason why Viacom lost subscribers as well, that DirecTV dispute made them lose many customers.

> I'd love to see more investment into Nick but you can never tell with executives
The execs there have a rough road to follow, but if they do actually commit to making quality programs and make GOOD reboots of old shows, they might make Nickelodeon a stronger channel.

>>85777554
Yea his tantrums with providers nuked many of the channels strong ratings from just a few years back. Accelerated some of the cord cutting as well.

Would like to see the new guy cut a deal with Netflix again. The Nick stuff was always a solid performer for them.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2016/03/28/netflix-is-coming-for-your-kids/

Saw this article from a few months back.

>Modern kids' media saturation has given them far more nuanced tastes, said Bronwen O'Keefe, Nickelodeon’s senior vice president of development and production. Her cable network is trying to follow, by moving away from the traditional kid sitcom and further into both "happy reality" series, with the same faces and sensibilities of viral YouTube videos, as well as serialized scripted shows with “more genre-bending, more complex storytelling, more drama, mystery and suspense.”

>“Kids want everything," O’Keefe said. "They want more, more, more, and they want different, different, different, and so we’re exploring every genre, every style

Second part is true from what I've seen in the job listings. A few Internet Tuber sounding shows.

Another show is up but no title has been given.

Don't fuck it up Nick.

>>85777729
>see the new guy cut a deal with Netflix again
Me too, it would be nice to see some of the old shows on there. Netflix is about the only thing I look at now.

>>85777869

Yea Amazon is hot garbage and now with CW letting their Hulu deal lapse an going forward with a Netflix deal. Why watch Hulu.

>>85777098
>>85777171
>>85777554
>>85777862

From what I can tell, I think Nick is realizing that they're dealing with a quality VS quantity debate. There's a big outcry for quality control happening that goes against everything the network stood for originally, which was a really large diverse line up. The problem with that today is that kids have access to ANY show they want at ANY time. So the fight becomes about getting heads turned toward the screen.
The only post 2009 TV show to even touch early 2000s Spongebob and Fairly Odd Parents in ratings was Korra, and even that didn't make enough of a splash to warrant channel time. Everything else was a movie tie in or didn't make it for a second season.

I think we're looking at a turn around of Nick trying to prove they have the chops to make a Steven Universe or a Gravity Falls. That is to say a show where there is a plot that ties everything together and it's not all fart and booger jokes. They had done so before with Hey! Arnold and As Told by Ginger, and if you're willing to count Doug as such then so be it. Kids need a reason to tune in every week. The serial status of cartoons has long since been dead and Nick needs to realize that the internet provides us with all of the brainless "so random" humor we can handle. They need to step it up if they want to prove they're a viable network that takes their demographic seriously enough to show some quality programing.

Now all that's left to do is tell CN to shut Go! down for good.

>>85777862
>Bronwen O'Keefe
Wow, is she the only smart person on that team? Those are actually some good ideas.

>>85778025
They are reacing key parts of their demographic, but what they needed to do, as well as make quality programming on par with the old Avatar series, is that they needed to expand to the internet and have a stronger presence there too. That's what's hurting them, cord cutting and moving to the Internet is what most people are doing now .

They're having a quality vs. quantity debate as well as having a conversation about modernizing the approach to content distribution.

Plus either keeping tighter control of Paramount or selling part of it. Because that movie studio is what's hurting them.

>>85775511
Yeah I agree with you it was really hard to watch Hamtaro and Nichijou with everyone flapping their tits everywhere all the time

>>85753890
If the Hey Arnold movie is successful maybe Nick will commission a new series with Craig Bartlett.

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>>85777214
All fanbases are shit dumbass

>>85766576
To prevent yourself from getting butthurt, you could interpret the videos as saying that SpongeBob was too good of a show for Nickelodeon to handle.

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>>85752634
Avatar, thats what.
>>85752692
I see no classics, their new output however ranges from passable (GF) to garbage at best.

At least Warners is redeeming themselves with firing Bruce Timm and bring back fun with that Adam West Batman DTV movie to make up for Killing Joke and making Daffy crazy again.
>>85755986
But the issue is that the guy who made Loud House is the grim reaper of cartoons as he killed Dexter's Lab & PPG, also the girls are just flat hollow tropes.

As for Harvey Brakes, the less said about that the better because after that "Anime Episode" that was so offensive that it made All This And Rabbit Stew look like modern day progressing it's just best to stay away from it.

All we want from Nick is to air the old Paul Terry shorts, that's it.
>>85757851
Mir did a Voltron show that is better then Korra, thats Netflix's best original animated show but is's just bland, generic and lifeless.

That should tell you about their other original animated shows life Bojack and F Is For Family.
>>85763046
Thats not Tiny Toons.
>>85764429
More like a 1/6 at best, except for Toei when it's more then that.
>>85775511
I got just the thing for you.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x51wwm_mgm-cartoon-blitz-wolf-1942_shortfilms
>>85775552
That blog never brought up Hamtaro, thats a huge issue.
>>85775652
I just use it to get Simpsons World.
>>85777184
No, far from it.
>>85778231
Those shows had no flapping tits.

>>85778119
Regardless what one thinks of Korra the entire clusterfuck over its later seasons is part of their difficulty in figuring out what path to take.

We had some pulling it from iTunes and all digital sources even though it had been a big seller for the first two books because someone wanted to focus on Network Exclusivity even running commercials proclaiming that.

Then they shifted it to online only about halfway through before finally just carting the whole thing off to their website. Which wasn't as good with streaming it as it had been back when they did that with Book 2.

Then after book for was over they let go of a good amount of executives in the spring of '15. We've yet to see how that will shape up going forward though as any plans made then are just now starting to come into play.

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>>85777862
>A few Internet Tuber sounding shows.

Besides Korra I haven't watched anything on Nick that wasn't old SpongeBob after Back at the Barnyard and Victorious. Even then I have didn't watch anything animated thay premiered between Avatar and Barnyard or anything live action between Ned's Declassified and Victorious.

So I don't really know how Nick's doing today. I know that there isn't anything (maybe, heard good things about Loud House) thay appeals to both kids and adults and isn't just spastic kid shit.

>>85779106
It's best to avoid Loud House as the characters are just hollow 1D walking tropes, see.

>Lori = Bitch
>Leni = Bimbo
>Luna = Punk
>Luan = Annoying
>Lynn = Jock
>Lucy = Goth
>Lana = Tomboy
>Lola = Prissy Princess
>Lisa =Smarty Pants
>Lily = Baby

And thats it, even Spongebob had more depth in it's characters then Loud House.

>>85779191
Yeesh. Damn, all I knew about the show was that a 90s era Nick animation veteran was at the helm. I hoped that meant good things.

>>85779292
If you want depth go watch Ren & Stimpy.

>>85779191
It's not just that The Loud House is a splice of Nick shows

>Lola = Angelica
>Lily = Poof
>Lucy = Gaz
>Lana = Phil & Lil
>Luna = Frida
>Lisa = Penny
>Luan = Yakkity Yak
>Lori = Vicky
>Leni = Any dumb Nick female. Pick one I don't care
>Lynn = Sandy Pre-Movie Era

This show is bad and a mess it feels like a frankenstein show, but most people will defend it for the waifus and I dare anyone to tell me why this is a good show minus the waifus GO ON I DARE YOU!

The animation is crap too. It's too clean for such a grotesque style. If you are doing high quality animation you should go for realistic style.

>>85779476
What are you talking about?

>>85779463
Not even that, it's
>Lori = Bitch
>Leni = Bimbo
>Luna = Punk
>Luan = Annoying
>Lynn = Jock
>Lucy = Goth
>Lana = Tomboy
>Lola = Prissy Bitch Princess
>Lisa =Smarty Pants
>Lily = Baby

Also Yakkity Yak was a Canadian import and add Dil to Lily's profife.

>>85779488
>add Dil to Lily's profile
Sure why not both characters only exist for toilet humor

>>85779484
Compared the animation of Hey Arnold to Loud House. The latter looks terrible.

>>85779191
>>85779488
>>85779476
>>85779649
>>85779191
We see you, Stevenautist.

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>>85779681
Wrong guy and show.
>>85779649
More like Carbuncle Ren & Stimpy to Loud House.

>>85779073
Yea we'll get YouTube celebs either doing voices or guest starring be it live action or animated.

Likely whomever is local to LA.

>>85779736
This digital age was a fucking mistake.

>>85777014
Right. It's all Isekai shit now, with invincible conflict-free "just an ordinary guy" protagonists getting a harem of gorgeous women drooling on them.

>Turned down Adventure Time
Must be kicking themselves

>>85779869
What Isekai shit? All I see is Fujo shit and even that is dying down due to Japan's re militarization and draft.

Soon the only jobs they can get are american projects.

>>85752634
Viacom

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>Decline of Spongebob, quality of the show has dropped significantly over time as they kept milking it
>Cancellation/ending of good old shows with nothing that could fill their shoes
>Basically having no solid cartoons in general over recent years
>Focus on live action garbage after seeing success with Drake and Josh
>Live action Fairly Odd Parents
>Basically making the whole channel shows about Dan "I'll give you fame after I've came" Schneider's underage harem

>>85777107
As if whiny retards like you aren't annoying cunts

>>85768912
My issue is how inconsistent the animation is. Literally one episode can have smooth, almost seamless animation, and the very next episode, its completely tweened to high hell..

I thought they did it just for the first episode, but now it's getting ridiculous.

>>85766786
I fucking hate this picture, because of how misleading it is.
It makes it look like Nickelodeon forgot what fun is, and decided to go with a boring white and blue color scheme.

It's the same building, but it's not Nickelodeon anymore, it's the building for The Blue Man Group, hence the color scheme.

>>85766786
For a 90s kid this is heartbreaking I think someone just fainted after seeing this

The Loud House.

>>85766786
Don't they show Blue Man Group in there now?

>>85755132
Damnit Dan, what did we talk about?

>>85757851
Young Justice S3 when netflix

>>85780265
Also Phineas and Ferb back when Marsh first pitched it when working on Rocko.

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>>85779010
>>85779711
Oh for fuck's sake, piss off TMS/Famicon
>B-but that's not me
YES YOU ARE, FUCK OFF

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>>85779649
Those two styles aren't even remotely similar. Again, what the hell are you talking about?

>>85752634
Bigfoot, apparently.

>>85754389
>>85755986
Nick had plenty of live action during its golden age. All That, Salute Your Shorts, Are You Afraid of The Dark, Pete & Pete, Clarissa, Alex Mack... Admittedly most of it was on SNICK, but still. The problem is that everything afterward was formulaic tween-sitcom dreck.

>>85768535
>>85768814
>>85770633
It isn't even the Nickelodeon building anymore. The colors changed because that building was sold in 2005.

>>85753446
It was a great show, but sadly Nick was beyond corporate after that point and pretty much sunk all their money on it, to the point of not giving other shows that much of a chance and flooding the schedule with Spongebob reruns. Spongebob is just going on forever and not stopping, and that's pretty shit for most shows, you can either end good or go on to the point where all the luster rubs off. Yes, Rugrats was pretty much a similar situation, and it really wasn't much better with introducing a new character every so often, it pretty much went from good to okay at best after the first movie, and then pretty much shit after the second movie (Second movie was good though), it was clear that by the end of the Rugrats run that the crew was exhausted and the writers couldn't really come up with anything that interesting in the 2000's like they did in 1993 when they were fresh with ideas. The only thing they could really do was just move on to All Grown up, which is a pretty mixed bag, I thought it was decent enough, but it did have it's good share of bad episodes and specials... also 6th graders acting like highschoolers was fucking stupid.

Spongebob doesn't really have too much longer to last, eventually ideas for new episodes will run out and something might eventually come to steal it's thunder, this might happen in 5 years for all I know, but I do predict that eventually it will just end on a rather blank note like the whole rugrats franchise did.

So what would improve Nick? They should try to stand out more than trying to get the "Meme kids" crowd, go back to slime and also give shows that aren't Spongebob or Fairly odd parents more support, so that the eventual cancellation of both series won't be such a big blow for the network.

>>85775388
We do remember the terrorist attack that took place in the first part of the game, right?
I mean yeah things weren't as emorific as they were in Advent Children but FF7 wasn't a very light hearted series.
Or maybe I'm just reading too much into it.

>>85785483
Lighthearted just in the sense that there was less angst, I think he means. Not "light" necessarily.

>>85752634
footfags

>>85782463
Fuck the blue man group.

It should have been left as an historical monument.

>>85786043
90's Nostalgia wasn't really a thing until 2011.

>>85784539
That is not from Famicom, you're delusional, seek help.

>>85786043
Building inside is still mostly Nick aside from their larger soundstages which they let go for other productions. I think they use a bit of it for Archives until the new building is done then they'll move it all to that one for storage.

>>85760404
Still better than what happened to Miranda Cosgrove.

>>85789235
What happened to her? Not like I care too much as she always played the role of "Little cunt" in every show she was in

>>85779010
What's your point on Harvey Beaks?

>>85791236
Before "that" I could care less about it.

SpongeBob killed them. It was too wildly successful and they ended up using it as a crutch once their other 90s nicktoons ran their course instead of continuing to expand the brand.

>>85753446
Everything post season 3

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>>85752634
SpongeBob

Corporations

Jews

Corporate Jews wanting more shows like SpongeBob

Live action shows made by pedophiles

NICK

FUCKING

NEWS

>>85760500
That's because he literally rips off old shows. There's a Drake & Josh skit (packing sushi) that was remade, mannerisms and humor and all, from I Love Lucy.

>>85795250
There wasn't anything wrong with Nick News. It was a good segment and kids networks should strive to have more short informative blocks like that tastefully sprinkled into their schedules.

>>85779869
do you know what the word "all" means?

>>85775511
watch better shows. even if you have to go back to find them there's plenty worth watching.

>>85789732
Similar to Victoria Justice, all her co-stars (barring Drake Bell) have hit a certain level of stardom she just can't seem to get to (part of that probably due to taking time off for college). Since she's returned to acting, she's been in one failed pilot and one sitcom that only lasted a single 13-episode season.

>>85795250
>>85795514
Yeah, I used to hate it as a kid too. But looking back I can appreciate what they were trying to do. I'd rather have more child-oriented news programs than those lame attempts at appealing to sports fans they're doing now.

>>85795514
It had good intentions, but unless you were literally Lisa Simpson incarnate, you probably never wanted to bother, not to mention it usually dealed with issues that many kids couldn't really do anything about, like terrorism. You might as well just hand them a news paper. Not to mention no commercial breaks was absolute torture when one can easily change the channel to something else.

Not only that, but it really was quite different from the other programming Nick had, it's weird to have shows like Ren and Stimpy, and Rocko, and then suddenly some serious show about how to be charitable.

Right now though, people still have to deal with the dreaded "World wide day of play", which does nothing when one can just change to Cartoon Network or just play video games.

>>85752634
He who shall not be named.
There's a reason they changed that logo, OP/

>Networking branding is basically dead
>both CN and Nick have basically given up trying to make anything unique for their networks other than the shows themselves
>Nick just uses memes and smart phone talk for ads now
Boomerang has better presentation at this point.

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>>85757900
Man you're not even trying at all!

>>85800332
>Boomerang
Boomerang is literally just Cartoon Network 2 after the whole rebranding, nothing more than Teen Titans go reruns, a few meh shows and reruns of Garfield show and that one canadian show that sounds like Johnny Quest but shalt not be named.

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>>85784518
>They turned down Phineas and Ferb, Ed Edd n Eddy AND Adventure Time!?

>>85798561
Nick News was great. The fact that it didn't shy away from things like terrorism is just a sign of how much respect they gave kids to tackle tough topics. It was informative and probably gave a lot of kids some good knowledge that influenced their interests going forward.

>>85804627
Yeah, but again, no one liked it unless they were Lisa Simpson incarnate, especially when they did the "No commercials will be aired during this broadcast"

>>85806335
I liked it.
I probably have some Lisa Simpson-esque qualities though.

>>85775388
I liked FF7 because it was this weird balance of horrible shit was going on in the world, and your main characters are terrorists, but as a group they were kind of goofy. It was a nice offset to balance out the messed up themes in the game.