>"Bucky, I acknowledge that you were being mind controlled

Getting angry doesn't mean getting stupid, senpai.

>>85744450

How was he supposed to react Mr. Op?

>>85744450
>I didn't completely lose my shit, so I was in complete control of my faculties
Solid logic.

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>>85744450
People can know they are doing the wrong thing and choose to do it anyway.

>>85744450

It's true. Civil War is a 4/10 movie at best.

Though I guess we can just call it two stars out of five to trigger the /co/tards less.

>>85744450
Still better written than Bendis Iron Man.

>>85744549
His first hit at Cap was justified. But if Stark weren't complete shit he'd have helped them take down Zemo with a "you're not off the hook, but now is not the time" at Cap and Bucky.

>>85744949

Good bait

>>>/tv/
>>>/tv/
>>>/tv/

>>85744829
Fitting considering the comics aren't much better than that.

>>85744817
This, Tony himself said that he is aware of the brainwashing but didn't gave a shit.

>>85744450
Tony again and again has made spur-of-the-moment decisions based on his emotions that didn't work out for him. Like shutting down weapons development without any notice, daring terrorists to come after him, or that whole Ultron thing. This is no different.

Why is this board so terrible now?

>>85745273
Even in this movie, the reason he wants to support the accords was because of that woman that showed up after his presentation.

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>>85744450
>marvelfags in this thread acting like they actually care about their family

>>85744866
Gay CapxTony fanfiction is better written than Bendis Iron Man

>>85745359
Because /tv/ is actually hell.

>>85745498
It can't be that bad.

>>85744450
Look within the context of the movie, anon. The very first scene with Stark shows him having spent millions to manufacture a fabricated closure between him and his parents, so he can finally put that tragedy behind him.

Then he learns that death was no accident, and that everything he knew about it was a lie, and actually witnesses the act on video. No matter how cool you want to play it, seeing that shit ripped open decades-old scars. Tony wasn't justified attacking Bucky, but I sure as hell understand it and think given the circumstances it was unavoidable.

>>85745579
You know how virtually every thread has a few shitposters or company wars fags? Imagine if every single poster was like that.

>>85744450
>a character acts irrational upon finding out the person whose been responsible for all the strife amongst the Avengers the entire movie killed his mom

how dare he

>>85745631
it was probably an accident that the car crashed next to the only street lamp that had a camera on that country road

why would there even be a camera out there in the fucking 60s

>>85746012
It was 1991 anon

>>85746058
oh fuck was it?

how old is tony now?

>>85746223
They don't say, but in the techno-psychiatric flashback we get in the beginning of Civil War, Tony's mom mentions that he's back from school for the holidays, so I assume he was in his late teens-early 20's in 1991

>>85745120
Because "My Mommy" triumphs over everything.

>martha.jpg

>>85745850
/tv/ is almost entirely shit posting memes. the number of threads of actual discussion can be counted on one hand.

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Tony's rather fucked up, in case you've been ignoring every piece of media he's ever appeared in that didn't involve fight scenes.

>>85746223
MCU Tony was born in 1970

>>85744450
>/co/ almost unamisuouly defend this
>always tear Snyder apart because grimdark

Don't get me wrong I don't like either but I'm sick of this shitty hivemind board you're all fucking worse than /v/ now

>>85744450
The funny thing is Tony adequately encapsulates both points in the movie. He shows regret and disappointment in where the Accords were putting people (a prison better suited for actual super villains as opposed to heroes who break the law while standing up for what they believe in). He also immediately goes to a place where the Accords (represented by Ross) doesn't want him to go. So basically he fits Steve's points perfectly.

However Tony was never the most stable individual, emotionally. He has terrible impulse control and doesn't make the best life choices under stress. His breakdown and attack on Bucky proves that at their power level they need some form of check in case they go out of control.

>>85748273
It's not really the same situation.

One character lashes out violently at the climax of the movie because they're brash, emotionally damaged and impulsive. The other is a mopey, introspective and dark take on a character who's typically about hope, inspiration and doing what's right even when it's impossible.

Holding Tony Stark and Superman to the same standards of heroism is a little outlandish.

>>85744450
>inexplicably recorded on VHS
I mean, it was supposed to be security footage from 1991. They very well would've had VHS recording back then, OP. What I don't get is how it clearly goes from a distant security camera angle to suddenly showing what's going on right up close with Bucky and Tony's parents, as if said camera jumped down from its perch and trotted over to see what was up. That made no sense.

>>85744450
Bucky willingly let himself be mind controlled time and time and time and time and (look at his case file) time again. Killing himself would have saved many important people's lives but he was too selfish and greedy to do that

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>>85744450
>It's a another "Civil War movie is popular and mainstream, so it now sucks" episode

>>85744450
Mind control is such a cop out for " he can do no wrong". It's like when Hickup forgave toothless for murdering his Dad while under mind control but didn't even bother to ask him 20 minutes later when he broke out of the exact same mind control why he didn't bother doing the same for his dad

>>85744450
Marvel movies are poorly written and riddled with inconsistencies because they only care about money. They don't care at all about the characters, or telling a good story. It's like watching fireworks.

>>85749075
And yet that makes more money than DC who doesn't the exact same thing. Makes you think

>>85748941
Come on, man, be honest. We were arguing about this when it first game out anyway.

>>85748511
Can you blame superman for being mopey in those movies? And he still does what's right no matter the cost or who hates him

Also man of steel inspired the fuck out of me with that flight scene and "what if a child dreamed of being something society didn't intend" speech

>>85749693
BvS was way more inspiring. At times it really does feel like Batman's way is right. The whole "world only makes sense when you force it to" and not trusting anyone, 1% chance thing. But Superman is right. And Bruce at the end is right too; we can build a better earth.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=ij8D4nm-hkA

A truly amazing scene.

>>85749693
>Can you blame superman for being mopey in those movies?

No, but I can blame the director.

I think 4chan is really full of people who can watch their mother beaten to death and think about it rationally afterwards. It's not that they're cold blooded, they just hate women *that* much.

>>85744949
>Thinking logically during emotional fits
Every time.

>>85749877
Off to tumblr with you.

>>85749877
If they hated women that much they wouldn't be rational after, they'd be gleeful. They'd aggressively befriend Bucky.

>>85749941
Hey man, if the he man woman haters club card fits.

>You never loved her.

>>85750017
You're just jealous that I don't love you.

Unrepentant guy love fits the /co/ profile though. You guys are always talking about dick.

...I was going to post a pic of nightwing but my phones being retarded. :sadface:

>MCU Tony does something retarded

what else is new? its part of his characterization

>>85750265
DUDE HOLD ON LET ME JUST BUILD ULTRON FOR A SEC

Remember that scene I reference in my last post from the Star Trek reboot? /co/would answer. "You're right of course. Love is illogical.

Then the bad guys would have blown up earth. Great job nerds, your lack of familial love will kill us all.

>>85744450
>any attempt to explain away my actions as being just the gut reaction of a grieving man."

His parents have been dead for close to three decades that that point, no? Dude's just a wreck.

>>85750532
>Remember that scene I reference in my last post from the Star Trek reboot?

No, Anon, how is anyone supposed to tell what post you're talking about? Who the fuck are you supposed to be?

>>85744450
>anger is rational
Tops sperg.

I know we're all anonymous but the other post was like three whole posts up. I know that's a lot to expect you to read and keep track of, and I'm sorry I put all that pressure on you. It was the other one making fun of you autismal fuckers not caring about their mothers though if that helps narrow it down any.

>>85749877
I could see my dad get beaten to death and have the same reaction. I didn't shed a tear when my grandfather did next to me.

>>85750701
Isn't he saying that anger is irrational and if he were in 100% rage mode he wouldn't have been able to use strategy? I mean, the clear response is that he's not fully blinded by anger, but still angry enough to lash out.

>>85744450
Just a reminder that MCU Tony has been dealing with PTSD ever since The Avengers. Nigga's unhinged and it's been acknowledged in story many times.

>>85750758
>Edge-sama

Wow, you're totally dark and bad ass. I bet you get like all the pussy. All of it.

>>85744450

Really he should have just punched Steve in the face and if Steve had any dignity he would have let him and should have been that

>>85750790
Quote the part of my post where I said I was a badass.

Or proud of the fact even.

>>85750806
>I'm burdened with the intestinal fortitude to not care when my parent was beaten to death.

>No one will ever know how hard it is to be such a stone cold badass.

I think you're looking for the woe is me reddit. It's on another website.

>>85750879
>>No one will ever know how hard it is to be such a stone cold badass.
Again, I never said I was badass. I never even interpreted my words as possibly meaning that until you replied to my posts.

And /mu/ is far more woe is me than reddit ever is.

>>85750896
>I can watch my own son beaten to death and do sudoku immediately afterwards.

...

>I'm not bragging though. It makes me very sad that I can't feel sad.

Dude. Just stop.

>>85750929
And here you are once again taking my words and twisting them. I never said I was sad or proud, if you were reading you'd have noticed that.

Funny how when I point out a part of 4chan is far more >muhfeels than reddit ever was you drop the point.

>>85745459
Satan likes funny box!

>>85750964
>stop twisting my words about the incredible hardship I face being so gosh darned cool under pressure.

I think the funny part is that you don't even know what you're doing.

>>85751016
What I'm doing is talking to a troll.

>>85744450
>Oh and I'll let Zemo get away. I don't care if he was behind all these terrorist attacks and it has been confirmed that you were being controlled by him.

>>85751034
>I remember the time I talked to a troll. My grandmother had just beaten my cousin to death with a wooden spoon.

>I'm still horribly depressed that I felt nothing when that happened. Won't anyone tell me that I'm totes awesome?

>>85751058
Zemo didn't kill his mom. That was the guy standing next to him.

>>85751064
m8 I genuinely cannot remember the last time I cried for somebody's pain that wasn't my own. This is a pretty odd place to get brownie points for such an (in)action. You made a point and I replied to it. Just because it doesn't fit your own world view of things doesn't mean it's untrue or for the internet to think kindly of.

>>85750771
No, creating guidelines about how someone is supposed to act while angry is effectively a misunderstanding of the emotion.
OP implies that he isn't irrational enough to attack Bucky because he won't kill his best friend, which 'false equivalency' doesn't even begin to describe.

>>85751103
>Mate. If you only knew what it was like to not give a shit about anyone else. The hardship I endure, not giving a fuck. My emotions.

>...about my lack of emotions.

Dude. No one gives a shit. Stop posting. Go feel about not feeling things somewhere else.

https://youtu.be/Sg3NrdLVDVc

>>85751141
If you didn't give a shit you wouldn't be responding or putting words in my mouth every time you've replied to me.

I've never said anything about "what it's like to not give a shit about anyone else" or a "hardship".

Last chance. If the next reply has any "quotes" that I didn't type I won't respond.

>>85751185
>Oh no.

>>85750532
Autist Omega surfaces.

>>85745273
>>85745396
Does this make him a well written character then? A flawed character can be a good one, just not necessarily a good person. I think Stark being so knee-jerk and prone to overreaction is part of his character, not sloppy writing.

>Hello captain america welcome to the 21st century I think you need to know that your friend killed your teammate's parents. This is top secret. Use this infomation judiciously

>>85750588
Finding out that the guy you're suppose to be helping is the one that did it can set you off.

My parents could be dead for 50 years but if I find out my wife's dad is the nazi that killed them, I'm gonna wreck his shit

>>85751588
>autist

As opposed to /co/ posters being euphoric in their enlightenment. "watching your mother get beaten to death is no excuse to drop your logic, bro."

>>85746625
On one finger more like it. Probably not even that.

>>85744576
Exactly. Tony was fucking deranged at that point, but not so totally deranged that he couldn't control SOME of his actions.

>>85748681
its inexplicable because why does a random lightpost on a country road have a camera and what are the odds that the plot relevant event would happen right in front of said random as fuck camera even if it were there?

>>85745120

That was a great line delivery by RDJ. "I don't care. He killed my mom" was absolutely chilling.

>>85751141
I need to screemcap this and use on a comic.

>>85749693

Man of Steel's trailer is the best Superman movie ever made.

Man of Steel itself is slightly better than Superman III.

>>85748892

>let himself

do you understand how mind control works, anon?

>>85751822

Did Zola straight up tell him, or even imply, that it was the Winter Soldier who killed the Starks? He said Hydra dealt with threats and impediments and showed the headline about their deaths, but I don't recall him making it clear Bucky's the one who did it.

Steve claimed he didn't know it was Bucky. Why would he lie?

>>85744949
But that's what he did at first.
Zemo killed the other Winter Soldiers and so there was no threat anymore. That was the genius of his plan:
He neutralized Tony's antagonism towards him and redirected it towards Bucky.

And for most of the movie, he's actually in the right. Every time he's willing to work with Cap, Cap jumps in and does something that makes that shit 100X times more difficult to justify in the eyes of the law

>>85754717
Steve claimed he knew. Somehow.

>>85744450
>Tony's entire characterization since Avengers is that he's become paranoid and overly emotional and has had difficulty hiding it
Seems about par for the course considering his entire motivation in Civil War is getting triggered by the bitch who cornered him after his lecture to blame him for not saving her son while he was stopping mass global extinction

>>85754717
Steve knew Hydra killed the Starks, he just did not know it was Bucky.

>>85744450
It's really hard to control yourself when its something as big as his mother's death.
He's angry, literally anything could set him off at that point, so bucky being there and cap knowing about it was the tipping point for tony.
I'm sure if they had hulk to hold him down, tony would've been pissed off but he would be taken to his home and wait for him to cool off instead of the big cool fight

His mom looks like hillary.

>>85746012
>>85746058
>>85746223
>>85748105
Makes you wonder if the Cinema version will do sliding timescales or hard resets

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Deep down every superhero's true weakness is his Mom.

>>85754627
someone gains access to your mind and controls it. Bucky left the car door open and the keys in the ignition. he could have done a fuck more to protect himself from constantly murdering people. Its the fact he left many opportunities for others to abduct and control him. not the control itself. He knew he was a threat to society and he stayed smack dab in the middle of society out in the open buying fucking Plumbs

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>>85744450
As someone who has gotten that angry at a person I'll tel you right now that Tony's actions accurate of what happens, you step out of being you and become more a spectator as you body singles in on hurting/killing that one person with maximum accuracy.

>>85755435

>Did you know?
>I didn't know it was him--
>DON'T BULLSHIT ME, ROGERS! Did. You. Know.
>...yes.

Thinking back, I'm not sure he didn't actually know it was Bucky. Zola did say the Winter Soldier was one of HYDRA's top assassins.

>>85744949
>Tony
>doing the right thing
>ever
Even when he was in the right he basically fucked up.

>>85755884
Bucky knew

>>85755884
Steve didn't know for sure but could have reasonably inferred.

When Stark shouts at him, Cap realizes that he's too emotional and has already decided that Cap knows. He's trying to make himself the target of Stark's anger, rather than his best friend.

Why didn't Stark just go "hey Wanda, the media's hounding our ass. Lay low for a while until it blows over"?

>>85755884

Steve knew. He'd put the dots together. He didn't get direct evidence until then but he'd known. He just kept silent, because he thought he was sparing Tony more pain, but as he realized deep down, he just didn't want to risk his new friends hating Bucky, his old one.