All New All Different Marvel

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Amadeus Cho as the new Hulk is one of my favorite changes and one of the of the most fun books in the lineup. Not only has Frank Cho been handing in some delicious drawings like the image, Amadeus is a nice spin on the Hulk concept, basically being optimistic and playful about being the Hulk. His Hulk seems tied to base emotions other than rage (hunger, horniness) which leads to some funny moments. Of course, there is always that ominous question of what would happen to Amadeus and his cute sister who looks after him if he loses control. Probably the best legacy character introduced for Marvel in the last few years.

Meanwhile Bruce is ironically going a bit nuts because he's not the Hulk any more and he doesn't seem equipped to deal with this new reality.

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Look, Sam Wilson's suit design looks way better than Steve Rogers, and Steve is a pretty boring character anyway. Sam, just by not being the always-right bossy guy in charge is already more fun to read about, and the art and writing in his books is decent too. Sam's stories seemed to get a bit shit once they tied into Stand-Off and Civil War II, but until then they are solid and I'm looking forward to going back to them once the events finish.

I just don't care.

With the exception of Vision, all the other Marvel titles are mediocre to crap. The main Marvel Universe is barely recognizable anymore. Most of the main characters have died, or being replaced. It's like being rebooted, without an official reboot.

>>85728454
So far it was basically "reinvent every hero so they are not white males anymore". Changing out characters that didn't need to be, so they can grab the diversity award.

Moon Girl & Devil Dinosaur and Chulk are the only ones I liked so far, even if they play this exact game.

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This is some manga-level comic-book action. Great flow to every scene, panels connecting and progressing in eye drawing ways. And it is totally focused on doing it's one thing as well as possible (no dumb random cameos or jokes or references, just a great visual story). This one was a treat and a page-turner like no other comic in the line-up.

>>85728568
This book is boring as shit despite featuring monster fights and all that "dude awesome" shit. Par for the course with Greg Pak

>>85728655
The Remender run was okay-ish, Spencer's run is terrible so far. Take away awful comedy that has no place in a Cap America book anyway and you're left with Serpent Society being cartoonishly evil ad men (don't forget your Mad Men reference haha) and Americops who do literally nothing but beat up minorities

>>85728698

That's not a reason for them being crap, though, is it? I mean, if the old stories were shit and they dropped the characters in them and started making good new stories, it would be a good thing. So saying "it's crap because the characters are different" isn't good enough. What is is about the comics themselves that is so crap?

>>85728717
Been putting this one off because fuck I'm tired of "secret shit from Natasha's dark secret past catches up with her" stories. I wonder f it's an editorial mandate for every BW story or writers really are that unimaginative

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>>85728748
Shit like pic related, but there are worse examples

>>85728717
I have thoroughly enjoyed the action sequences here.

Marvel has gone full blown SJW leftist propaganda
The Vision is the last Marvel title I still buy and when that ends Marvel gets not one dime of my money

>>85728748
The Marvel comics fail to make these characters interesting. And that's the main problem. Adding also that Marvel recycling continuously the same stories and ideas. I mean how many times we are going to see again all this hero against hero crap? Does this fucking Universe has any competent villain left anymore?

>>85728795
You and your stupidity won't be missed.

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>>85728795
>Marvel has gone full blown SJW leftist propaganda

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I think this was the first ANAD book I read, and I was pleasantly surprised. It's a pretty straightforward adventure book that takes us to some cool places over a plot with some nice twists, some very pretty artwork and clever layouts. I mean, if you want to replace the X-Men, at least give us some goof comics in return, and I say these are just simply good comics.

I also like the characters in Uncanny way more than the likes of bitchy Crystal, grumpy Gorgon and Tumblr Swain in All New Inhumans.

>>85728454
If the Weirdworld ongoing starred Arkon I would have read it.

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Of course there is this one. It's just so unlike every other book coming from Marvel. I suppose it's what you would call a psychological thriller. Yeah, it's really good.

>>85728850
>>85728857
Go back to Twitter, #WhitePrivilege ain't gonna go top trend itself

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>>85728958

Yeah, I read the first issue of Weirdworld. Eye-popping visuals, but I found it hard to get into because the world was just so incoherent. But now you've reminded me of it I guess I'll finish the series (only 6 issues).

I've been enjoying Ultimates and Squadron Supreme.

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>>85728850
>>85728857
>/co/mblr

>>85729034
> 6 issues.

I also think if it had starred Arkon it would still be, you know, ongoing.

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>>85728850
>>85728857

>>85729046
> Squadron Supreme

I'm pulling SS and have been pleasantly surprised at how much I have enjoyed it.

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>>85729028
>>85729070
>>85729092

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I don't know much about Fem-Thor or her stories, but I do like her character design, and I don't mind the idea of Thor Odinson running all disheveled fighting with an axe, getting by without his birthright powers. It sounds like a cool twist for both Jane Foster and Odinson, but, as I say, I don't know how it was actually executed. I guess we'll see what happens in Unworthy Thor.

As far as Marvel's new diverse legacy characters go, she's a weird one. I think more than any other character Thor is one that cannot be replaced. So what happens to her next? Takes a new name?

Marvel editorial, its events, and its big names are all fucking awful, but a lot of its books range from decent to great.
"Evil SJW Minority Legacies" is not the problem with Marvel. The likes of Chulk and Kamala are well loved, which proves that the problem is entirely in execution.
What Marvel really needs to do is overhaul their editorial entirely, kick Bendis and Slott down to minor books where they can't do much harm, give their good authors like Ewing and Thompson more responsibility, and bring in some new authors on minor books and minis to test their chops - the World of Wakanda book, as much as /co/ throws tantrums over it, is a great example of this.
Also, bring back Fantastic Four and give the X-Men a proper relaunch. But they don't need to shoo out all their minority characters - change, and diversity of storytelling, is a good thing. Keep the old guys around or bring them back, but don't say that Sam Alexander and Amadeus Cho and Riri Williams have to be killed off to make that happen.
>>85729070
I still don't understand the butthurt over this. Isn't it obvious that the joke is that he's a cartoonishly evil cunt?

>>85729148
She'll get somehow cured and will lose her powers, like it happened with She-Rulk

She's not a legacy character, she's just a strange period in the editorial history of the character, like Superior Spider-Man or Captain Hydra

>>85729148
Give her the Ultimate hammer and call her Ultima or something.

tired of the "we need more diversityyy" train marvel appears to be on

Marvel can make there be more diverse characters but don't be taking away my iron man.

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>>85729112

Oh man, I forgot this even existed. The old Squadron miniseries is one of my favorites. I'll have to check the new one out.

>>85729046

I'm torn on the Ultimates. I kind of can't stop reading it, because it's so big and ambitious and never stops moving forward with new ideas... but all these big ideas just seem so dumb. They go "outside the universe". Which means everything is just black. And there is "so much nothing" that they ship starts falling apart. The universe is in chains. I feel like this could have been a good sci-fi comic but it doesn't have anything to make it feel believable. It's just a lot of over the top nonsense. And everything they introduce is just spinning off ideas created by Kirby and Ditko. And, this might not be a thought everyone shares, but that fucking artwork is so garish. There is no rhyme or reason to all the random colorful shapes that explode over every page. I think they have a new artist coming on for Marvel Now. I'll be more interested in reading it when that happens.

>>85728900
I'm the exact opposite. I like a lot more of the NuHumans than the old inhumans though.

>>85728454
Don't forget they allowed Filipe Andrade to scribble his pencils.

>>85729204
>She's not a legacy character

Isn't this is pretty much the definition of a legacy character? One character takes on the mantle of another? I feel like you don't want to give her that title because it would legitimize her taking of Thor's name.. but that's exactly what she did, and that's what a legacy character is. Sure, if someone takes on a mantle for a couple issues I can see you wouldn't bother calling them a legacy character, but Fem-Thor has been around for over a year now (two years?) and it seems she'll be around for at least a little while longer. If she stayed as Thor for 5 years, would you call her a legacy character?

>>85728655
Remenders run was good looking, but it was boring. His Captain America wasn't any good either and that's coming from someone who obsesses over his work. All his Image, Uncanny Avengers, X-Force, etc. are so much more interesting. It's clear that even though he's a mental hobo piss throwing libtard, he didn't write those issues.

Sam should fuck off and go back to the shithole he crawled out of.

>>85728454
I think it's great. So far I'm reading

>Vision
>Doctor Strange
>Mighty Thor
>Extraordinary X-Men (though I personally think it's shite, I get a weird enjoyment out of reading it)
>Moon Knight
>Ultimates
>Old Man Logan
>Black Widow

I also liked ANAD Avengers issues 9-12. The arc where Thor fought Annihilus and zapped Avengers in and out with the bands. I thought that was great. Reminded me of the 0/prequel issue to Annihilation for some reason.

>>85728717
I loved the art but the writing is wishy washy. 6 issues of build up for a story down the line and "Black Widow" sort of made Iron Man.

>>85728900
I loved the first 4 issues of this, but that nosedive in quality when Quiet Room started put me off the book. I did enjoy the Reader issue tho.

>>85729193

Yeah, this is the big problem I've had with Marvel. Every time an event comes around all my favorite series get sucked up into it and it always makes them shitter. I quite liked the idea of Standoff but it felt like a roadblock for the Avengers and Captain America stories. I do like the idea of this big interconnected world in theory, but in practice it's an irritant and the stories suffer as a result.

I'm not a woman so Marvel doesn't care if I read their comics or want to hear my opinion on them or something like that

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ANAD gave us carnage, which was a lot better that his father book Venom space shitter.

Maybe that is the reason they are going back to status quo Venom, they saw that Villain carnage sold well and since Venom is more popular they are probably expecting 30k from the new book.

Also Carnage is the reason why we are getting a new bullseye book, it seems people like villains books.

>>85729275
you and me both anon, the writer of all new inhumans once said that he was trying to do what Claremont did to the x-men, campy story that would introduce the reader to the character backstory.

>>85728454
I still have few books I pick up. I buy Chulk because I am a Hulkfag and Pak, while not mind blowing, was decent enough writer for the character mythos. I grab Squadron Supreme because I'm still waiting for "Marvels Justice League" to be the thing (so far they mostly mope). I tried Hyperion because he was one of the few interesting things in Hickvengers. And Vision is reliably interesting and pretty. I have tried few other books but found them boring.

>>85728454
I literally only care about vision, moon knight and the squadron supreme titles, and my favourite character is still hitting an all time worst even after almost or more than a decade of shit

>>85729357
The "problem" isn't really herself. The problem is that Odinson is still going around doing his shit, and he'll receive a miniseries where we'll most likely see how he became unworthy while making he becomes worthy again

The basic of a legacy character, in my opinion, is that the previous character must go doing something else.
Carol rised of rank and Bruce lost his powers without wanting to have them back, so Kamala and Cho "work" as legacies but I expect Bruce to get back being Hulk sooner or later. We'll have to see how that Uncanny Avengers series will end
Miles was a legacy in the Ultimate Universe, where Peter was dead, but he's not one anymore because the original Spider-Man is still around

>>85729426
I just hope it's not like gargan, i want eddie to be venom again or flash to go full monster venom

>>85728857
>/co/mblr

fuck off bitch faggot

>>85729118
>an SJW bitch calling people crybabies

hmmmmmm we'll that is the definition of ironic

>>85729495
I feel like Grid would have been next but they dumped his story into the annual. It was good and brought up interesting questions about the new status quo, but I ANI would have continued.

>>85729193
>The likes of Chulk and Kamala are well loved

no they really aren't, /co/mblr raves about them but their sales speak otherwise

>>85729835
I think it's unlikely it'll be Flash, since he appears in the cover of GotG of the same month as Agent Venom

>>85729938
Yeah but /co/ is lukewarm at best on Miles and he sells double them both. /co/ doesn't represent the comic buying public.

>>85730135
Miles is a shit character with a shit writer. He's literal trash.

>>85728454
im still salty how quickly this avengers team was disbanded. i thought it was pretty fucking perfect.

>>85729938
Okay?
I'm not saying they sell well, I'm saying that people generally think they're good characters well written, despite being Minority Legacies.

>>85730275
>I'm saying that people generally think they're good characters well written

Cho is OK but he has been around for ever
Kamala is shit

>ITT: Marvel shills

They're irredeemably shit

>>85728454
you think wrong

>>85730164
>being this much of a butt hurt anger namefag
Repeating trash as much as you want still doesn't make it true.

>>85730385

Yeah, no. I mean, almost nothing is irredeemable, and it isn't all shit at Marvel to begin with. Every big company will have some good or great comics going at any time, even if the overall trend is bad, just because they publish so much by so many different people. So you can either find and enjoy and celebrate the good stuff like a healthy human being or you can be resentful adverse-to-sunlight fanboy and be hateful on principle. I think you know which option is the winning one.

>>85730604

Anything else to add?

>>85729597
Who's your favourite character?
Spider-Man? Cyclops?

>>85730794
The winning move is to not give Marvel any money and support companies putting out good shit. DC for example

>>85729070
>>85729028
>>85729889
>>>/pol/
Sorry I ain't mad some non white guy dares be on a comic cover or dates outside his race.

>>85729193
Came here to post this, pretty much

>>85730714
Name me one good thing about negro venom blast boy.

>>85730823
>replying

You are just as bad as them, they will reply to you and will end up talking about black lives matter or muslims

The only recent thing I liked from current Marvel was Ghost Rider. They can fuck off with nearly everything else though, Miles pushing too

>>85730832
Not gonna do your work and read the comic for you, namefag.

>>85730799
spider-man, the fact that you got it right at the first try is the saddest part

>>85730862
I read from his creation up until Doom. Name me one interesting character trait, interesting thing that happened, etc. from that slice of his run.

>>85729938

Kamala has been selling decently enough. Nothing gangbusters, but never cancellation territory either, and she consistently outsells Carol.

>>85730866
Yeah I get you. And there's no escape, not only are his comics shit, his movies, cartoon and video games aren't good either.

>>85730866
To be fair those are the two /co/ complain the most about the way they are treated

>>85728698

The only marvel books I'm following now are Vision and Darth Vader. I've dropped everything else. This period we're in is worse than the late 90's.

>>85730943
>...the two character /co/...

fixed

>>85730892
Peter Parker came back to life is the only thing I can think of

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>>85730190

I don't know, man, I like how they're splitting off the teeny characters into their own series and adding more powerhouses to the Avengers. Champions can have the love triangles and coming of age (that Waid is probably pretty good at seeing as everyone loves his Archie comics) and the Avengers feel like an "Earth's Mightiest" again. Then the Ultimates are the next step up, dealing with threats bigger than just Earth. Seems neat. Plus, Herc on the Avengers :)

>>85728900
This was good but soule needs to stop dragging out arcs with pointless filler like he did in the quiet room and the medusa arc. The reader chapter got it back on track, and even the CW tie in was going well. The annual was good but it should be in ANI. Grid was only in uncanny for 5 pages before now.

>>85730930
the insomniac game is the only spidey related thing that gives me any kind of hope really, with the movie i went from "im interested" to "dropped" faster than a speedforce user

>>85730823
>race swapping, forced diversity, blatant ,removing established white characters,SJW/PC propaganda is perfectly fine or YOU'RE RACIST

fuck off back to tumblr you retarded bitch

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>>85730866
You never know, Renew your vows vol. 2 by Gerry Conway could be good.

>>85731003
why is vision there???
i assumed he´d become an enemy to the avengers after all that has happened in his series, even before the finale comes, they have enough reasons to be cautious of him already
>>85731055
gerry conway is based,he´s like stern and peter david, they have been writing for years and are still good, yet they don´t get the recognition they deserve at marvel, carnage is good so this probably will too, sadly it has annie may, but even with her aboard any alternate spider-centric title is better than the dreck that is the main series

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Uncannny X-Men is good.....right guys?

Can anyone explain to me why everyone hates Slott on Spider-Man? Well, I say everyone, there are certainly a few people I have read that love him and think he is one of the great Spider-Man writers. Certainly a massive range of opinion here. I've read like two of his books and they seemed fine.

>>85728454
where´s the part when Kamala fraggs his partners in the name of Muhammed?

>>85731199
you´d be surprised how fucking overrated he is outside of /co/

>>85731199
I don't want to read 'fine'.

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>>85731248
kek, Inhumans am I right, fucking terrorists.

>Best
The Vison
Chulk
Gwenpool
Ultimates
Moon Knight
Carnage

>Bad
Civil War II
Guardians of the Galaxy
Avengers
...let's just say anything Bendis touches

>>85730794
>Anything else to add?
yes, you are a cuck. or a shill. or both
abandon the ship, before marvel goes full cringe

>>85728850
Im sure Marvel is perfectly happy with its plummeting comics sales lmasoooo

>>85731416
i only disagree with chulk
i´m honestly surprised gwenpool isn´t terrible, specially since spider gwen fucking sucks, still not my thing but it´s not bad

>>85731419

I meant something that might substantiate what you said before, but if you want to keep vomiting out random words into cyberspace I won't stop you melon beatrice pothead

>>85728703
Agreed. Miles was better staying in Ultimate Universe. He lost all his character development. I feel there was a lot of potential if he stayed there instead of coming to 616 :/

>>85731416
ANADvengers has had a massive jump in quality recently. I'm not sure whether to blame that on editorial or Waid being inconsistent, but I'm hype for Champions anyway.
Also, New Avengers, Spidey, Captain Marvel, Uncanny Avengers, Silk, and Squadron Supreme are at least "good" if not "best".

>2016
>Trying to defend Marlel

You are only hurting yourself.

>>85731989
They got the big screen though.

>>85728454
>Good
Gwenpool

>Bad
Everything else

Maybe Hulk or Black Widow are good but I don't care even a tiny bit about the characters so I don't bother. I'm an X-Men and Spider-Man guy and the state of both of those through intentional sabotage (X-Men) and general incompetence (Spider-Man) is really irritating. Most of the books are poorly written, poorly drawn garbage by artists and writers with little to no experience creating a monthly comic simply because they'll work for pennies compared to big name writers (who now only use Marvel as a stepping stone so they can be the next Kirkman).

The comics themselves have become infested with political posturing, mainly of a liberal bent, which comes off as preachy and annoying and overrides the superhero aspect of it. Compare Gruenwald's Cap, which used politics to help develop the character of Captain America and his world, versus Spencer's Captain Falcon book which does the opposite: Spencer is using the superhero comic as a backdrop to beat you over the head with his political opinions in the most hamfisted manner possible.

It's honestly embarassing and I don't know what can really fix it at this point. Alonso could go but I don't think that improves the comics at all because the corporate heads will promote Amanat or whoever else they feel will most be the biggest corporate yes man and quality will continue to lapse due to shitty, low quality writers and artists, active efforts to sabotage their own franchises and incompetent editorial while Marvel itself touts its ability to make fake status quo changes in the hopes of getting headlines from the entertainment websites over telling good stories.

The constant relaunches are another problem too because COMIC BOOKS ARE NOT TV SHOWS and even then TV shows don't relaunch every fucking year.

>>85730963
The bankruptcy era had plenty of good stuff though because they were in a "nothing left to lose" situation. Ancillary X-Men books were good, Deadpool was great. This continued into the first half of the 2000s. Avengers Disassembled and House of M are basically the death of that good, desperate era of Marvel and the start of shitty corporate Marvel. The Avengers making $1 billion is the worst thing to ever happen to the comics.

>>85732213
Spider-Man(s) artist are good. Sarah draws Miles like shit now days. Everything else i agree. I want miles back in the ultimate universe and a new writer on Amazing

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The Avengers books, across the line, haven't been this good in I don't know how long
Dr Strange, Black Panther, Thor, Ms Marvel, Scarlet Witch, Ultimates (i dunno if people count that as Avengers) and of course Vision have all been good to great.

The Spider-Books I don't care about and didn't read ASM because fuck the zodiac.
X books are in a rough spot, even if I think Lemire is doing a fine "holding down the fort" thing rn. Uncanny has Land but people say it's good.
There's some other alright stuff too like Squadron Supreme out there too.

I've enjoyed ANAD

>Good
A-Force
Civil War II - The Fallen
Deadpool
Deadpool vs Gambit
Gwenpool
Silk except the art. 2 times out of 3 it's complete shit
Spider-Man/Deadpool
Ultimates
Uncanny Avengers
Vision
Vote Loki

>Fine
AN Wolverine
Captain Marvel
Civil War II - Gods of War
Deadpool & the Mercs for Money
Ms. Marvel
Old Man Logan
Uncanny X-Men

>Meh
ANAD Avengers
Civil War II - X-Men
Extraordinary X-Men
Web Warriors

>Bad
All-New X-Men
Amazing Spider-Man
Civil War II
Civil War II - Amazing Spider-Man
Deadpool - Too Soon

>>85728655
>Steve is a pretty boring character anyway. Sam, just by not being the always-right bossy guy in charge is already more fun to read about

Confirmed for having never actually read Captain America

>>85731199
It just isn't... good. Like it isn't fun to read for me, at all. Outside of some mildly interesting "gimmicks" given to the character, most of Slott's run is devoted to creating shitty OCs, pushing Peter's supporting cast to the background or straight up shitting on him, and turning Peter himself into a whiny baby-man with delusions of Starkhood.

>>85731003
will spider-man actually be on this team or will it be another 3 pages and whoops we got your money

>>85734088
It has Hercules, it already has my money

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>>85728655
>Sam Wilson Cap suit design
>Better
>Captain Falcon
>More interesting

your opinion is inherently worthless.

The problem with Marvel is that they're writing clickbait tier shit and actually charging money for it. People are getting sick of it.

>>85732213
>I'm an X-Men and Spider-Man guy
Why aren't you reading Spidey, then?

>>85734088
He's being replaced with Iron Doom

Marvel is the comic book company equivalent to Donald Trump, they don't care about maintaining any sort of appearances and just shamelessly prostitute themselves to the masses by saying/writing anything they think will catch peoples' attention.

I gave an issue of Deadpool a chance yesterday but stopped when the bad guy lambasted Deadpool for not using the right pronouns when talking about handicapped people...

>>85735757
you're shitting me

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>>85730814
>DC for example

This. These guys totally don't push any sjw bullshit and keep their comics pure.

>>85728454
Best: New Avengers. To me it's like a childhood dream come true. When I was reading my brothers comics, back in the day, I somehow really liked the idea of the New Mutants someday, closing the gap between "Avengers" and X-Men, and now (even if 20 years to late) we have that, with a healthy spoon of Next Wave thrown in and wow. I think it's a pretty awesome highcotane ride. A welcome change to all that decompressed stuff Hickman and Bendis 'delivered'.

Worst I've read, which (excludes everything Bendis): ANAD Kindergarten Avengers. It may not be that bad actually, It's just so terrible medicore. And I just expected so from Waid.

>>85736060
>And I just expected so *much better* from Waid.

fixed.

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>>85736045
>I don't understand the concept of Alternate Universes! Please rape my face.

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So Marvel is now naming their heroes after Japanese porn parodies?

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>>85736006
I shit you not

>>85736427
I'm pretty sure that's supposed to be a joke, anon

Also that's not the bad guy, he's one of Deadpool's Mercs for Money

>>85736060
>An Avengers book
>It's actually about New Mutants
ehhh, I don't like the idea behind it

>>85736635
It's just more of the "label everyone as avengers" initiative that started since the name "Avengers" became big.

>>85735757
>.Foolkiller
>bad guy

okay...

>>85736635
It's not about the New Mutants. It has just some of them in an Avengers crew. And the shit they've got done in the short run was easily 10x more Avengery than some years of Avengers under Bendis, so yes I was really happy with it.

>>85736427
It's pretty clear it's a joke about PC types.

>>85736151
>it's okay if it happens in an alternate universe

Whatever helps keep you in denial DCuck.

>>85736060
>Next New Mighty Young Mutant Avengerwave Avengers
It truly is a beautiful book.

>>85736427
>>85735757
How easily triggered can you get?
/co/ and tumblr aren't too different are they

>>85736151
I don't see how something you dislike in comics not being in the main universe makes it any less bad.

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>>85730823
its not about that

its OK for blacks to replace white hero's
but GOD FORBID a white replacing a black

instead of making new original hero's they just turn the good ones into women or black people, and they don't have any intent of it being good, they just do it to specifically pander to women and blacks for money

>>85739229
>its OK for blacks to replace white hero's
>but GOD FORBID a white replacing a black
Isn't there more of one than the other, though?
Not to say it's not hypocritical because it is, but the scenario people like the paint calls for all things being equal and they clearly aren't.

>>85738889
How easily triggered can YOU get?
/pol/ and Tumblr aren't that different in that respect, now are they?
The people trying to talk about comics and cartoons here aren't bringing your personal political outrage into the threads. Are they?

Also, this is fucking /co/, not fucking /pol/ you flamewarring offtopic shitpost of a troll, stop whining about your dying "WHUT POWER!" in every other thread that's trying to be on-topic.
Because, y'know the rules told you not to do that.
So if you're getting butthurt because everyone isn't goosestepping behind your hatespeech, guess what? That's because you're on the wrong board.

>>85728454
OP, I hope you regret making this thread now that you see what its become.

>>85739416
>How easily triggered can YOU get?
??

>Everything else you said
Dude what are you even saying.

>>85739416
Nobody is talking about white power or politics, but is true that the guy is an idiot for getting upset for a joke.

>>85739416
What politics ? What hate speech ?
They are critizing an Anon for not getting a joke

>>85739416
Triggered again I see

>>85739626
>>85739640
>>85739668

Protip: You aren't going to win any argument about if you're racist with the line "Can't you take a joke?"

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>>85739768
just a prank bro

>>85739744
ha ha the same two jokes repeated ad nauseum so funny

le minorities le trump i'm laffing now

Marvel is trying to cast off the dead weight of dyed in the wool comic book fans because as a fanbase they are toxic and a good deal of them now just pirate books. It's more profitable to market towards younger audiences and women who will actually buy their books. They're going with new legacy characters to appeal to new markets. Basically they're popular enough that they can afford to take the leap away from the more traditional comic book audience that is either literally dying, no longer reading, or pirating.

I read comics for the writers and most of the good ones seem to have already jumped ship. They still have a few good to great books and they probably always will. Doesn't really change much about them. They had a ton of shit books before SW too. In general, comic books aren't a nerd thing anymore. They're not the "secret club" they used to be. Marvel comics are for women, children, and hipsters now.

DC on the other hand seems to be going the opposite direction and is milking their existing fans of their cash by re-enforcing the all-white Trinity's books. That and Harley Quinn.

>>85739744
It's about as funny as ~2009. Which is to say not really. 'Poo in loo' jokes might make me chuckle every once in a while but most of their memes and 'jokes' are just self-affirming division tactics. A dozen memes just as gormless as 'Drumpf'.

It's funny how you can clearly tell who ITT doesn't read comics.

>The "MUH SJW DIVERSITY BOOGEYMAN" crowd.

>>85739849
Who laughs at an image like that? I mean, I can appreciate a good racist joke, but that's just fucking lazy.

>>85739768
Race was never brought up retard

I mean

Exceptional individual

>>85739903
>~2009 /b/.
Also that one image of Rey holding her staff being the equivalent to a BBC is pretty funny because it's actually self-aware for once.

>>85739921
Is not funny because they derail threads

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I liked Standoff and the new Hydra Cap and Thunderbolts stories that came out of it. Following Steve through CW has been fun while trying to look for clues or secret motives the other characters might be missing. Trying to figure out the intentions of Kobik and where her loyalties lie and what she might do once Cap, Red Skull, and Winter Soldier all face off. Is Zemo truly dead? Is he going to take back over the Thunderbolts? Is Cap going to take over HYDRA successfully while SHIELD falls apart? Is he going to recruit Bucky or is Bucky going to break off his friendship with Steve to keep Kobik out of his hands? And how the hell is Sam going to tie into this?

I hate that the social media outrage has reduced this story to OMG CAP A NAZI REEEE!

Reading this thread it's no wonder Marvel doesn't want your business anymore. I wouldn't want my company to be known for having a fanbase like you people either.

>>85739921
Disprove them without resorting to ad hominem green meme text.

>>85739989
True very true. You cant even discuss Marvel here anymore without these autists from /tv/ and /pol/ derailing the thread.

>>85739992
Then you fail at economic by not appealing to different segregated groups an instead just appealing to the common person

>>85740013
>The actual comic readers ITT are discussing comics while the anti-SJW brigade shitposts their stupid agenda.

You dont read comics anon. Why are you here?

What were they thinking changing pretty much every iconic's character identity and gender?
Like, all the Avengers are the same except for Thor, who is now a woman. Okay. Or, all the Avengers are the same except for IronMan, who is now a woman. Okay.
But the Cap, the Hulk, the Ironman, the Thor, the Spiderman, the Wolverine and a lot of others all turned into women or minorities or both. They basically threw all their icons away.
Pretty much all of them at the same time. If two years ago someone showed the state of Marvel now everyone would've laughed their ass off saying that could never happen

Marvel's in the blockbuster movie business now. EVERYBODY sees those movies and likes them. There's a lot more money to be made from those audiences than there is to be made from your traditional comic book fan. It's no wonder that they're trying to cater to as wide of an audience as they can get. That's just good business.

>>85739921
It'd be one thing if they actually read a comic one day, at least then the argument would be about comics.
But fighting with these assholes is everytime just rehashing the same casual knowledge that children are aware of.
I swear the mods are actively choosing to tank the board everytime they ignore these racebaiting shitposters.

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>>85739989
We're already 3/4th of a way to becoming post-2012 /tv/, why stop now?!

>>85740086
Hello non-reader. Please inform me of a Marvel character who had their race/gender changed.

>>85739789
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Holocaust_denial

Don't be a jackass.

There is overwhelming proof from credible sources that it occurred, to the point that your argument is patently absurd.

>>85740124
Because /tv/ is one of the shittiest board on this site

>>85728454
>>85728454

Taking a poll if everyone can put a vote down for what ANAD titles they liked (allowed to pick more than one)

http://poal.me/ybe8y3

http://poal.me/ybe8y3

http://poal.me/ybe8y3

>>85740086
What were your favorite Captain America, Thor, Hulk, Spider-Man, and Wolverine runs before they got grievously taken away from you, anon?

So basically the lesson we've learned here is that comic book fans tend to be more conservative and less accepting of social change?

Keep in mind, comic book fans aren't that big of a demographic. There's a reason this is a dying industry.

If I were Marvel, I'd be doing the exact same thing. Even if it doesn't amount to crazy money all the time, it gets you a hell of a lot more exposure and online discussion than DC is getting, despite DC currently outselling you.

I swear Marvel can announce tomorrow they're going to focus on appealing exclusively to white males and it still wouldn't get these /pol/ and /tv/ shitposters outside their basement and into a comic book shop.

It seems like people here are really possessive about their precious, spandex-wearing self-inserts. It's not like they ever belonged to you in the first place.

>>85740131
Johnny Storm if you're including the movies

>>85740364
Hello McFly, that was Marvel for decades, and you can tell by their complete lack of casual knowledge that these shitposters were not reading the comics back then either!

So this is how the white race dies...

To thunderous shitposting.

>>85740225
Don't take me wrong I'm not mad. It's just weird and surprising.
Never really liked the Cap that much, grew out to fucking hate Wolverine after they overplayed him and put him in every team and quite like Miles as Spiderman. Thor was boring to me before and she's boring to me now, like if Loki isn't involved I don't even care.
I'm not one of those butthurt "not muh spiderman" fans. But seriously, would you ever think that almost all iconic characters of the Marvel universe would end up with a whole different identity?

>>85728454
The good is in the minority and the forced tie-ins make it difficult for me to enjoy what I do like in peace.

>>85740239
Not really, we still dont know how well those new changes will do compared to rebirth, if they dont do as well as marvel expect they will go back to status quo with an event.

>>85740397
And Heimidal, that one REEEEAAALLy pissed of the Aryan Brotherhood of shitposters.

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>>85740397
Go back to /tv/

I want all the /pol/ and /tv/ shitposter gone from this thread, I also want all the /co/mrades in this thread gone too, let this thread die already.

>>85740538
Posters from /tv/ can't go back, they're too stupid to work the links, because they're from /tv/

>>85740131
Um, all those I named have changed identities.
I get that Steve Rogers didn't magically turned black or that Logan didn't get a sex change (he probably couldn't, performing surgery on a body that heals itself must be pretty complicated) but Captain America is another guy and Wolverine is another girl. The identities of the icons have changed, of almost all icons.
Yeah, Steve hasn't been the only Captain America through history but when he wasn't the cap Iron Man and Thor were still the same guys. Never have so many costumes have been passed on on so little time

>>85740595
So they will stay and continue to shitpost in our threads...that is great.

>try gwenpool
>dropped it after reading a few pages
Why the hell does /co/ love this meme trash? Muh waifoos

>>85740601
Steve and Sam are both Captain America and 616 Logan is dead while Old Man Logan is still running around

Fuck off casual.

Literally the only book I read from this is Deadpool now that Ant-Man's getting cancelled.

I hope this "Let's piss off our fans" meme ends someday, but that's not gonna be for a while.

>>85740696
Yes, Logan is dead and Wolverine is a girl. Even tho Steve is still active, the official Captain America in the public eye is Sam, just like Bucky was at one point. How does that change anything of what I've said?
Old Man Logan is not wolverine, he's Old Man Logan. The official Wolverine is a girl.
The costumes have changed owner, other people are wearing the costumes. Is this not true? How am I wrong by stating this?
I've already stated that I'm not saying it's wrong or that I'm mad about it, it's just weird.
Why are you angry at me and trying to deny simple facts?

>>85740506
I don't even consider them new identities since most of the legacy characters are running around with their predecessors still in the mix. Even if I did, the stagnation of capeshit was always its least appealing aspect. I like change, which isn't something comic book readers are prone to proclaim. I've never read it but I heard JoJo is basically a story that spans years and years where characters shift from prominence to mentor roles and that shit sounds fun to me.

Thor is my favorite character and I can honestly say I have never participated in a Whor shitposting thread all these years, nor have I read the book since she took over. The nigga was dead for years when I first started reading comics and I didn't even touch the Fraction run because I didn't like the tone.
It just saves me money, not having to follow an ongoing while there's plenty of comics that came out years ago I can spend money on reading. Then I can just pick it up when it gets good again.

>>85740853
You're splitting hairs with your Wikipedia knowledge to force your point. First of all both Steve and Sam are public and even then who cares if Sam was the only public one? Oh wow Laura is calling herself Wolverine and wearing the costume(just like Daken did before) big fucking deal when we still have a Logan doing his thing.

>>85741000
>Forcing my point

I've just stated that it seems like a strange decision to me that pretty much all iconic supes are being embodied by different people from the original characters. This is true, why are you trying to deny it is or justify it?
I'm not even complaining bruh I'm glad Logan is fucking dead already. Laura might be interesting an all but desu I can't be bothered reading it.
And when Daken was wolverine it was in a team actually called the Dark Avengers, are you kidding me? It's not the same thing

>Wikipedia knowledge
I don't need to prove that I actually like reading comicbooks to you. I don't need wikipedia to know the basic facts Im spittin

>>85736427

I'm pretty sensitive to people trying to shove their agenda into media and that is clearly making fun of pc types.

>>85728775
This is the cringiest most retarded thing I have ever seen. Marvel is fucking tumblr fodder now.

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>>85728850

>>85729985
>assuming marvel editorial even gives a fuck

>>85736427
Seriously bruh? It's clearly a joke. You need to get off 4chan it's messing with your brain too much. Not everything is an undercover political agenda

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>>85736427
>implying anyone gives a shit about the blind anymore

Karnak is pretty fun when it actually comes out

>>85742040
I don't think blind jokes were ever persecuted. Specially in comicbooks, for obvious reasons

There are
2 Spider-Men
2 Thors
2 Captain Americas
2 Ironmen
2 Wolverines


Marvel has killed all the charm that their comic line was by making every hero that you loved not special at all. It's a corpse being paraded around on strings and the only reason it's still kicking is because their movies are selling so well.

Fuck marvel comics.

>>85742147
>2 Captain Americas
>2 Ironmen
>2 Wolverines
These characters haven't been special for a while, also Spider-Man is debatable.

Unless for some reason you think what makes them special is just the name.

>>85731347

>>85731347

Well they do practice incest, hate miscegenation, eugenics, brand those with bad mutations with their own gold star, kill off a specific species (Mutants) to claim their land/niche, and want to subjugate everyone who isn't Inhuman. Honestly Kamala Khan being Paki & Muslim is exactly why their cultures mesh so well.

>>85729148
>both Jane Foster and Odinson, but, as I say, I don't know how it was actually executed.
The simple fact that everybody started calling Thor, Odinson overnight in universe tells you everything you need to know about the quality of execution. This guy went from a god to the unamed son of Odin and nobody cares.

>>85729613
Kamala is not a legacy character. The only thing she shares with Carol is a superhero's name. Their powers, background, enemies and supporting cast are different. Kamala could have an other superhero's name and it wouldn't change anything about her story, she could even still be a Carol's fan.

Just a small handful of books that I actively enjoy. Which isn't too unusual, there's usually about 5 books tops from either of the big two that I actually enjoy reading. The main difference is that everything I'm not loving seems to be actual garbage rather than just workman-like mediocrity.

Only really care for Vision.

Marvel has a talent drought at the moment, especially writing talent. Mark Waid is a good writer but he's a known quantity who has a ceiling on how many books he can sell, he wouldn't normally get the flagship team books at Marvel, but he gets them because there's almost nobody else.

They're retooling Iron Man because they thought Bendis could turn Tony Stark into their #1 character (they really said this). But whatever you think of Bendis, the days are gone when he was the hottest young thing in the business. He's never going to surprise you.

Meanwhile the guy who writes their best-reviewed book (Vision) is now DC exclusive, and some of their exclusive Marvel signings have been wasted on the idiotic Inhumans push (Soule).

This isn't the first time they've had to make do without a lot of hot talent, and sometimes they got by with it (like when they kept X-Men popular even after all the early '90s talent defections). Maybe people will start coming back now that the Image boom may be de-booming a bit, But for now they're working with a thin bench.

>>85739953
rlmfags leave

>>85738940
Of course you don't, you're from /tv/

>>85743711
How is it any less bad?

>>85728454
Best:
>Vision
>Carnage
>Gwenpool
>Moon Knight
>Ultimates
>Ms. Marvel
>Silk
>Spidey
>Spider-man/Deadpool

Worst:
>The Mighty Thor
>Squirrel Girl
>Hellcat
>Amazing Spider-man
>Clone Saga Fuckery
>Civil War II
>GotG
>Spider-Gwen
>Avengers
>Black Panther
>Silver Surfer

>>85743572
At least they have an easy out if Perlmutter will let them. They never fucked up their universe as bad as DC so all they have to do is bring back Fantastic Four, give the X-Men back their self-respect, and they can advertise it as their equivalent of Rebirth.

"If" Perlmutter will let them, I said. Still you have to think someone will stop him before it's too late.

>>85729034
It wasn't bad , but not having any known characters probably hurt it.

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>>85743738
>b-because there's still a pure wondie out there that won't get blacked

>>85743738
AUs in comics get easily ignored. You would have known that if you actually read comics and weren't a /tv/ tourist.

>>85744094
You can ignore any comic so that's a shit argument.

>>85728454
They've reached a point, with this picture, where as a straight, white conservative male, I have no one with whom to identify. Vision is an android and Stark is too unlikeable.

SJWs will counter with 'Now you know how (pick a minority) has felt the last few decades", but two wrongs don't make a right.

>>85744339
I can identify with just about any type of character (which some would argue is part of my white male privilege, well, maybe, but I don't care). The problem is that even more than usual, all the characters are assholes at the moment.

Something they're almost making into text with Champions is that the only characters who aren't complete assholes yet are the kids. And while some of the kid characters are good, we don't pick up Marvel comics to read about kids.

>>85744339
>They've reached a point, with this picture, where as a straight, white conservative male, I have no one with whom to identify. Vision is an android and Stark is too unlikeable.

Not even the microverse has a violin small enough to play to this.

>>85728698
Carnage is quite good, actually.

>>85728775
That's not ANAD, though I do agree that it's awful, awful writing.

>>85744339
If someone is totally incapable of identifying with a person who isn't physically and mentally identical to themself, that's someone who isn't reading comics but is instead killing neighborhood housepets until they work their way up to humans.

>>85744500
I just choked.

But shit. >>85744339 John Walker? Dr. Strange? Winter Soldier? Captain Rogers? Old man Logan? There's still plenty of straight white dudes around.

>>85744339
You can't identify with a black character? You can't identify with an alien or a robot? Can you identify with a guy who's hair looks different than yours? What if the guy is a few years older/younger than you?
No jk bruh I totally get you I was watching Wall-E the other day and I couldn't identify with anyone since I'm not a robot or a fat fuck.
And what about Toy Story? The only actual human kid I could relate to barely shows up, am I supossed to feel empathy for a piece of plastic?

>>85744339
Don't worry, they are all shit. That's why I only read X-men.

>>85728454
Let's not.

>>85728775
This page will never disappear and will forever be referenced to

I wish we could just burn it to the ground

>feverish dislike
from /co/ and /co/ alone

Rebirth is going in full steam and they barely keep up with the market share

>>85740135
I hate Stormfags as much as the next guy, but Rational wiki should never be posted unironically.

>>85744764
>>85744716
That's literally the argument against forcing diversity

>>85745743
All of my favorite characters fall into completely different demographics from each other and from myself. I like reading a wide range of stories about people from different backgrounds, it makes them more interesting. Being able to put yourself into the shoes of somebody different from you is a good thing. You can reflect on how you'd handle their situation, if you'd make the same choices. I get bored when the characters seem the same.

>>85745743
Any diversity is forced diversity.

>>85745743
No idiot, it's the real reason why a narrative media form that's dependent upon the reader being able to relate to others with the same capacity that a small child has finds no reason at all to conform to sociopaths and hatemongers who are incapable of that basic human trait.
Or did you really expect the entire industry to overhaul itself in order to conform to the most defective mentalities in existence?
What marketshare does the neo-nazi shitposter represent?
Ooooh, throwing away all of decent non-bigotted society to grab up that lucrative market is the kind of brilliant thinking that made Hitler a winner in his bunker.
Didn't it?

>>85746175
Adding a white character to Marvel's lineup now would be forced diversity. We don't want that, do we?

>>85746175
"Forced diversity" is any time something seems fake and the writers can't convince us it was done for any other reason but diversity.

It's like some sitcoms will have one black character, who none of the writers know how to write them the same as the rest of the cast, so they leave you thinking "this person would never be friends with these other people." :Like if Seinfeld had tried to add a fifth nonwhite friend to the cast it would have felt completely phony because the characters can't get within inches of a black person without saying something stupid.

"Forced diversity" is overused but it's a catch-all term for something that feels like it does not make any story sense but was done for the sake of checking points. Obviously the definition is arbitrary, but "diversity done right" basically means "i believe this would happen."

So what feels forced about Jane Foster as Thor is not that this could happen (it could) but that even villains would treat her as some kind of hero and she could do the job better than the original guy. It feels like the writer is lying about the problems she would face in order to make an inspiring point.

It's a bit like how some twists and plot points are obviously there because of marketing or other commercial reasons, but the question is whether the writer can make us feel that this was a good idea even if it wasn't forced on them by marketing. Sometimes they can do it, and sometimes it looks fake.

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>>85728655

>Look, Sam Wilson's suit design looks way better than Steve Rogers, and Steve is a pretty boring character anyway.

>>85729092
I first I thought it was going to be Jack

This shit turned me from a Batman fan into a DC fan. Marvel is garbage outside a select few titles.

>>85746242
Was there a point in your seething rage?

>>85728454
best part of All-New All-Different is Gwenpool, Nova, Silk, Carnage and Mockingbird