lets shoehorn some diversity into that white team

fuck you OP im literally shaking rright nwow

Does Johns like Cyborg so much because he's a huge New Teen Titans fan...

...or because Cyborg was on Super Powers team?

Because dude wrote Teen Titans and it wasn't aaaanything like the classic stuff, so it makes me wonder

Would it kill them to give him a rogues gallery or something interesting to do on his own?

>>85632203
he's every teams every man you need to go some where cyborg
you need to unlock your phone cyborg
you need something heavy lifted cyborg
you need someone to take a hit cyborg
he's an every man

>>85632766
So basically he is the HM slave?

>>85632203
Nah. He's a black face on a classically white team. He's done his job as far as they're concerned.

I really like Cyborg's original design.

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>let's take the character from a team where he was no one's favorite and put him on a team where not only will he be no one's favorite people will also hate that he's even on the team at all
Why

>>85632090
Super Powers.

Johns' Teen Titans run was absolute trash. Never should have disbanded Young Justice.

>>85633281
Because otherwise they'd have to either pay Tony Isabella rights for Black Lightning or make Hal not the main Green Lantern.

>>85633889
Vixen would have been better

>>85633124
that's a racially insensitive yet accurate analogy

>>85633889
>pay Tony Isabella rights for Black Lightning
Is there some reason for this other than, "We don't want to pay extra for a character that's not even that popular." Because I read that he didn't appear on Static Shock for this exact same reason.

>>85635304
When will /tv/ and /pol/ get bored with shitposting and lowering /co/ already abysmal board quality?

>>85633889
Vixen could work, Steel does everything Cyborg does but better, and they have all the Milestone stable to use. Hardware would be better than Cyborg and avoids Steels problem of being too close to Supermans mythos.

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>>85632020

No troqs!

Because the JL never had any black members before Cyborg.

>>85632020
reminder that Johns did it because he didn't want Hal Jordan to get replaced by John Stewart like in the JL cartoons, and not necessarily because "muh diversity"

>>85635929
>they have all the Milestone stable to use
Then where is my new not shit Static comic set in Dakota?

>>85633977
>he's a jack of all traits and is there for plot related reasons

>DURHH HE'S A SLAVE


why am I even here /co/ is fucking garbage

>>85632203
There's Grid, but I think that the closest he's going to get to having his own villain.

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Does Apache Chief count as diverse yet?

>>85637156
You could always talk about funnybooks on reddit

>>85637256
That's not even his villain that's his Earth-3 doppelganger

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>>85635989
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5yBH9lQOqc
>Tits-laser-alien: you know what it is to be treated different because of how you look?
> Ooga-booga-robotman: Of course I do, IM PART ROBOT
Best exchange in the whole show

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Please stop o.p.

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>>85632020

>>85632020
Why can't we just get the black Green Lantern again?
Or give Cyborg some actual personality like in Teen Titans? He never felt shoehorned in there and actually helped fill out the cast.

>>85635929
Hardware fucking hates other superheroes he would never join the Justice League.

>>85638140
White Green Lantern came back. Black Green Lantern got put on a bus and sent to the back of it.

>>85633949
>>85635929
Jesus these CW casuals and their Vixen.

Fuck off, she is not JL material.

>>85633889
Or they could stop being filthy Americans who think diversity is nothing more than token black people?

>>85637274
That's why he was invented; alongside a black guy, a Japanese guy, and a forgettable guy (Central or South American I think).

>>85638263
I don't think you've read enough Justice League.

>>85638406
Ironic coming from a casual

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>>85632203
>>85637256

He's getting rogues in Rebirth. Pic related is Malware

>>85638741
too Cyborgy not enough Humany

>>85638741
The only thing I dislike about the way they're doing him is that they didn't go with his TTAS design. I liked the glossy, translucent blue accents.

>>85638792

Apparently they reverted his look because some editor wanted his logo on his chest.

>tfw he will never have his DCYou look ever again

>>85638818

Cyborg looks way better when all that silver is broken up with another color. I loved the blue.

>>85638058
Now that's a fucking joke.
Shame about the animu faces though.

>>85637256
Fuck grid was horrible

>>85638140
Because johns is a halfag and there was no way in hell they were gonna have 2 lanterns on the team

Come rebirth there are 2 lanterns on the league if they had been willing to do that in the new 52 this whole cyborg shitshow could have been avoided

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>>85638988
Wow, Cyborg's logos are so fucking boring, how do you even put one on him without it looking retarded?

>>85638109
Wasn't Storm supposed to have Asian cheekbones and other ethnic traits because Clairemont is a pervert who based her off a stripper or someone who he made dress up as her.

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>>85639809
I tried.

>>85639891
Various West and South African ethnicities have high cheek bones.

>>85638263
>>85638501
>Calls other people casual.
>Doesn't know that Vixen was in the Justice League twice.
>Probably Doesn't even know about the Detroit version Justice League. Doesn't know about Vibe and Gipsy.
The only CW casual mouthbreathing shit here is you. Go watch you Olicity show and stop giving your stupid opinions on things you don't understand.

>>85639933
That's actually pretty good, I still can't see how it would work being actually on him though.

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>>85638109
>White Lightning is an actual DC character
>She does have enormous poofy white hair
I never knew McGruder worked on Impulse but I have to thank him for some of my earliest boners.

>>85640095
>>85640095
When did White Lightning appear? That strip ran around 2000.

>>85638263
How the fuck is she not league material
She has worked fine on the league before.
She can fly so you dont end up with to many ground bound members
She hits hard
She has magic to fill that gap (admitidly this really should be zatannas job)

>>85640045
We can be a little paranoid about the sjws sometimes but they sure as fuck arent a boogyman they are a real threat.

>>85640282
1995

>>85633889

Why not try Static Shock in the JL or at least the Teen Titans. In fact, why doesn't Static doesn't get more love in the DC universe? He's pretty based and has a cool powerset.

>>85640045
/co/mblr ruined this place long before that.

>>85638109
pfft like that would even offend me instead of being awesome, nice try nogs.

>>85640378
no, they're not.
PC culture is just a scam. An easy way to get into mainstream media. Something easy to rally around without having to actually doing anything.
It''s only a big deal if you want it to be.

>>85639933
I'm sorry, Anon. I can't allow you to do that.

>>85633889
John is the better GL anyways.

>>85638818
I've never gotten why they're so obsessed with avoiding Cyborg's animated appearance. That's how most people these days are familiar with him anyways. The comics were like 30 fucking years ago. There's a successful series going on RIGHT NOW based on that design, even if it is a total joke.

Why does everybody in the industry seem determined to ignore all of the good things the series did?

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>>85640447
>>85635929
DC doesn't have the rights to Milestone characters unconditionally. Milestone owns all of the rights and they license them out to DC.

Milestone's probably somewhat wary of DC using their stuff.

Back when the Dakotaverse was folded into the mainline DC universe, DC was supposed to support the Milestone stuff and integrate it. But outside of Static being in the Teen Titans (eventually) and a handful of appearances and a 6-issue Xombi miniseries the Milestone characters were pretty much abandoned.

DC made it hard for Dwayne to do his job with editorial bullshit and then fired him from JLA for talking too much with fans on message boards.

Then in the New 52 they royally fucked up Static. The guy who was hired to write it, John Rozum, was a Milestone alum who created the series Kobalt and Xombi for the company and had actually written Static before. But the artist, who never read any of the original Static comics, watched the cartoon OR EVEN EVER WRITTEN A COMIC BEFORE IN HIS LIFE figured he could do a better job of writing Static than Rozum and the editor agreed. So Rozum ended up being a script monkey, not really allowed to do anything but translate the artist's ideas into script format. His only real contributions were making Hardware Static's mentor, giving him an internship at S.T.A.R Labs and naming Virgil's new high school after Dwayne.

And on top of all that, 2/3 of the people who could be credited with Static's creation (Dwayne McDuffie and Robert L. Washington III, who wrote the first chunk of the comics) are dead, so Milestone's probably extra protective because they don't want their legacies tainted.

>>85641078
>That comic
And then he died.

Why are we rooting for the DCEU to succeed again? They don't deserve it by any stretch of the imagination.

>>85640887
Beverage that'd be recognizing that a kids show has a better aesthetic than their professional comics

>>85641078
Poor dwayne.

When did all this happen.

>>85644933
IIRC around 2009-2010, possibly earlier.

I've never really forgiven DC for McDuffie or Marvel for Jack Kirby. There are tons of creator's rights stuff that I'll never forget.

>The McDuffie "tribute" issue

I forgot what DC did for Carmine Infantino when he passed away.

>>85644933
Around 2009

>>85637156
It was a Pokemon joke you fucking underage.

>>85642486
Warner has a retarded concern about how to present themselves in media, it results in shit like the embargo, which limits which characters can be used for television adaptations because it can get "too confusing" for viewers.


What that really means is that you won't get favorite character X in popular show Y because of inane reasons.

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>>85645034
>The McDuffie "tribute" issue
I have a physical copy of that. It's actually pretty great. What pisses me off though is that the cover has a fuck-ugly ad for the Green Lantern movie, and right in the middle of the comic there's this several page-long ad comic tie-in for the Super 8 movie.

>>85645034
Let's make a list of people that the Big Two have screwed over.
Bill Finger being the most fucking obvious.
Steve Ditko is a maybe for me because the fucker was mega reclusive.
Jack Kirby
Dwayne
Who else?

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>>85645137
Putting the first page second because I'm dumb

>>85638741
Call me what you will but I think the animated Teen Titans design is so much better than this crap.

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Remember D.A.V.E from The Batman? Now take that concept, but now apply him to every hero rogues gallery, now make him a Cyborg villain.

What's some good Cyborg stuff that isn't Teen Titans?

>>85645137
Thats fucking despicable.

>>85646844
The ads that is i need a little more context before i declare the issue despicable.

>>85646931
The actual content is pretty great. The main story's pencils are done by Denys Cowan (one of the founders of Milestone and the artist for Hardware).

The main story's about Static's uncle who just got out of jail after being falsely imprisoned for murder. Ever since Virgil was a kid he believed his uncle was innocent so he wrote letters to try to get his uncle freed. He got the attention of the non-profit law firm of McDuffie, Cowan, Dingle and Davis (named after the founders of Milestone) and eventually they were able to find DNA evidence to prove his innocence.

After he's free, him and Virgil are out for a jog when an ex-con bang baby with the power to create a personal forcefield who made enemies with Virgil's uncle comes and kidnaps him.

Virgil uses advanced math to figure out how to neutralize the force field and saves his uncle, now knows that Virgil is Static. Unfortunately, his uncle dies shortly after due to some undiagnosed heart problems.

We then see Virgil dealing with his uncle's death.

After that we get the short comic drawn by Jean Paul Leon (the first artist to draw the Static books)

>>85645432
>>85645137

In case you don't recognize the girl, that's Raquel/Rocket from Icon. After that it's a few pieces of tribute art, including a piece by John Rozum, who, if life was fair, would have done a great job with the New 52 Static Shock book.

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>>85647226
>Static will probably never have his own book again

>>85632020
BOO

>>85647554
Milestone Rebirth is still on going. Didio just talked about it on SDCC, Hudlin was busy with other stuff so they couldn't really advance much. Now that Priest is also on DC, its moving a bit faster.

>>85647226
Ah that sounds neat.
Its ludicrous to put a multi page ad in a tribute issue though and downright despicable to put one on the cover.

>>85632020
It's frustrating, because I think he has incredible potential to be a solo character that could be interesting enough to eventually earn his spot on these teams.

He's half man, half machine. Imagine Iron Man but he can't take the suit off and he's not a charismatic billionaire. He's got great potential as a character, yet all of his solo runs have really done nothing with him. It's all about focusing on him and Apokolips tech, or him and the Justice League.

He needs to do his own thing, have his own bad guys, his own supporting cast.

>>85649310
Most importantly, they need to have him shout "BOOYAH!" at every possible opportunity.

This is critically important to his character and he's worthless without it.

>>85633889
Man, Black Lightning as part of the Main 7 of the JL would be pretty cool.

>>85649387
I actually think having Booyah as his catchphrase is fine, you just have to limit it to once per 6 issues and it has to be used when something big happens.

>>85649578
I wasn't being sarcastic.

>>85632020

I'm so sick of the constant complaining about Cyborg. Haven't we had enough threads?

>>85632203

Funny thing is unless you give a hero their own solo book they won't develop a rogues gallery

>>85638741

They really should have stuck with the DCYou look

>>85640447

Adding Static to the tram runs the risk of him being the "Little buddy" of the team because of his age. If you aged him up people would complain

>>85642433

You say this as if Marvel deserves the MCU

>>85632203
i thought brother blood was supposed to be his designated rogue

>>85649578

His DCYou book did that. I think he first shouted Booyah when he boom tubed into a swarm of cybenetic freaks

>>85649757

Brother Blood is an Animal Man villain these days

>>85649757

That was a cartoon thing,

Though honestly, it'd be a perfectly fine idea for the comics as well.

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>>85632203

>>85639984
>Probably Doesn't even know about the Detroit version Justice League
Why would anyone know Detroit League? I can't think of any League lineup than that.

>>85649578
It does not feel much like a shits going down type catchphrase to me.

>>85637156
Have you never heard of Pokémon before, brewski?

>>85637156
>excluding Black people from Pokemon references

Don't segregate people you racist shit

>>85648923
>Hudlin
NOOOOOOOOO!

>>85633949
>>85638263
I guess she's known to be quite Vixen?

>>85632090
He threw Martian Manhunter under the bus after DC mandated a token black character and were tempted to nuke the fuck out of Green Lantern for John to be THE Green Lantern. Cyborg was a random choice. It was all to save Hal

>>85632203
It really shouldn't be anywhere near as hard to do this as they make it seem. There's an entire genre called cyberpunk, out there. They don't even have to come with original conflicts.

>>85638263
There's a full run of Suicide Squad been going on the last couple weeks. Please go read that so that you may unfuck yourself.

>>85652583
Cyborg was not a random choice.

He's literally the most well-known black DC hero.

People seem to keep forgetting that Cyborg is a main character on Cartoon Network's current most popular show, and that Teen Titans was significantly more popular than Justice League Unlimited ever was.

>>85632203
Well he only just got his own ongoing. It's kinda hard to build up your own personal rogue's gallery when your entire history is tied to a team.

Martian Manhunter has the exact same problem yet nobody complained about that.

>>85652811
It's still Johns pulling something out on the spot so they didn't mess with Green Lantern canon

>>85635304
It's purely because a gigantic company like WB that's built on playing it as safe as possible would never in a trillion years let a character they don't 100% have complete control over be a cornerstone of their billion dollar media franchise.

>>85635929
DC doesn't own the Milestone characters.

Also it couldn't be Steel because he's technically a Superman legacy character and it would look racist somehow or something. I don't totally understand it but they're not gonna have two characters from the same franchise on the team.

Vixen actually fits the bill really well but she's basically an unknown and obscure even with young adults who watched JLU.

Cyborg was picked over her solely because of recognition. Cyborg is the most recognizeable black DC hero and that's all movie executives care about.

>>85652919
Have the Milestone characters been retcon'd out of the DCU with that reboot coming out eventually?

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>>85637558
I tried to once but the DC reddit is the most casual shit I've ever seen, literally 9/10 of threads are "I'm new to comics, how do I get into [x]?"

>>85640579
But anon, there are like four Marvel comics that have SJW jokes in them that I see get posted everywhere, clearly they have taken complete hold of the industry.

Also they replaced Iron Man with a black, which wasn't SJW when it happened in 1983 but is now because I wasn't around to get outraged back then

>>85649975
>Gizmo shaved to look more like his cartoon version who's a little boy

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>>85653021
>1983
It happened first in the 1970s with Eddie March as Iron Man. The point is that Marvel and the people who run it today, despite what everyone bitches about, does not give a single fuck about "PC Culture" or whatever buzzword you want to use. Plenty of them might even be legit bigots in reality for all we know. The sales gimmick now is just to fuck with SJWs and /pol/tards by doing shallow race/sex swaps for a bit or something stupid they copied off of Tumblr which they're just going to set back to normal eventually when sales start dropping.

Marvel just wants your outrage and people keep fucking buying them because they apparently don't care about quality. Apathy is the reaction they fear the most.

>>85652959
The Milestone reboot will be on its own Earth, but IIRC the Static of Earth-0 will be on the Teen Titans.

>>85653139
I knew it was it's own Earth, I was asking if they were going to remove the Earth-0 versions or if they'd continue to exist too,

>>85649680
Why does Cyborg even have a static design instead of different configurations depending on what the situation is?

>>85653599
Recently it seems like he jumps between looking like a regular person, the DCYou look, and a more armored form in the JL books.

>>85632020
Cyborg is a good example of a diversity character in that he was originally black, not a legacy character that takes up a name.

>insert token black character to get dem negro dollars
>dont know that blacks fukking love Batman and Superman and would've watched Justice League anyway

>>85653695
Without Cyborg on JL there'd be #KKKLeague.

>>85653625
If he switches between these looks depending on the situation that's fine by me but that sounds more like the artists for these books aren't all on the same page.

>>85653710
But they have two jews, one hawaiian and one muslim in the team... thats more diverse than any other superhero team.

>>85653695
It had nothing to do with black people and everything to do with Warner Bros telling DC that they better have a token black for them to wave around. DC didn't even want it.

>>85653725
It's a plot point in his book that he could reconfigure himself but you might be right on some level.

>>85638741
>They stole a Ben 10 villain.

>>85653738
NOT DIVERSE ENOUGH

>>85653738
Diversity=black men or white women. No one else matters

>>85632020
Wouldn't Mr. Terrific work ?

Plus if they want diversity points, why not Martian Manhunter, he shapeshifts for fuck sake.

>>85653829
>Martian Manhunter
People are going to start arguing he's not really black because you know he's just a green guy pretending to be black.

>>85653829
>Wouldn't Mr. Terrific work ?
And have smart guy that isn't Batman and Lex? Nah. He was busy BLACKING PG, anyway.

>>85653857
Just pull an Xavian and have him be all "this is how I REALLY feel because I reverted to this form when my powers were stripped" or something

>>85653829
Because Martian Manhunter is a Martian.
>"And Superman is a Kryptonian"
Difference is Superman looks human all the time.

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cyborg instead of j'onn

go fuck ya'self warner

>>85653756
>It's a plot point in his book that he could reconfigure himself but you might be right on some level.
It happens with Iron Man all the time.

He gets a new armor and it takes like a year for the other artists to start drawing it.

>Superman: Kryptonian
>Batman: American
>Wonder Woman: Amazon
>Flash: American
>Green Lantern: American
>Aquaman: half-Atlantean/full-Atlantean depending on canon
>Martian Manhunter: Martian

I just went to a comic shop for the first time in 1960 and what kind of commie made this Justice League of AMERICA that isn't even a majority American!? Are the hippies brainwashing our children with this filth?

>>85640045
look at the state of marvel right now and tell me forced diversity and sjws aren't a problem

>>85654323
>>85653118
Nah, the problem is Marvel is full of people who get off on bitching and people are too stupid to see through their games. Get as apathetic as you can and stop being an ad machine

>>85652978
The regulars of the DC reddit are actually pretty well versed in comics. It's that it became "reddit of the day" earlier in the summer, and combining that with the DCEU, a lot of casuals go there to get started in comics

lets shoehorn some /pol/ shitposting into that comic discussion board

>>85654512
>not liking Cyborg is /pol/ shitposting
What?

>>85654768
Don't mind him, he likely is one of the people who'd fall for marketing scams like Marvel pulls. I don't even care for Cyborg, he's mostly been irrelevant so far in League stories.

Racists deserved to be triggered every waking second of their pissant lives.

>>85654805
Even the low key racists who use diversity to push questionable content? Not that Cyborg is that in any sense.

>>85653638
this

>>85654829
Like I said.

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>>85653809
>>85653738

>>85632020
It's not a white team though, it's just a team.

>>85654933
Cyborg was only added as a token

>>85652583
>>85653829
>>85653935
>>85654065

Virgins detected.

>>85655623
What?

>>85652811
>People seem to keep forgetting that Cyborg is a main character on Cartoon Network's current most popular show,

Not more popular than JUSTICE LEAGUE.

We all know why Johns pushed for cyborg, he doesnt give a shit about cyborg and that was clear in the comics.


Johns used his position as CCO to shield Hal Jordan. That's it. cyborg belongs with the titans

>>85652811

> Teen Titans was significantly more popular than Justice League Unlimited

Maybe things were different in America, but in Britain I recall this being the opposite.

>>85656097
All over the world Justice league was more popular, i didnt knew TT was popular until i came to /co/

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>>85655705
You have had no sex.

>>85656097
>>85656121
TT was ridiculously important in terms of merchandising, which is the whole point of children's cartoons.

>>85656262
Goyer is the most enlightened man in existence

>>85652811
I don't think it was random, but I do think there was probably some kind of ultimatum along the lines of:
>Look Johns we need a black character on the Justice League, our two most popular characters are John Stewart and Cyborg. Pick one.
If anything I'd think DC editorial would have preferred John Stewart as he was more recognisable amongst the general public as Green Lantern than Hal was (remember how people were accusing them of whitewashing when the film was coming out?), but as Cyborg was slightly more popular as a general character I doubt they minded.

>>85637156
HM Slave, as in the pokemon people often use during playthroughs to learn all the HMs so they don't have to make their actually useful pokemon learn them.

>>85656405
>John Stewart and Cyborg
>tfw I don't like either of these characters
I really enjoyed the JL and TT cartoons but with each passing day I wish more and more that they never happened.

>>85640447
I swear Static was on the Teen Titans at the start of the New 52, wasn't he?

>>85646277
That's actually pretty brilliant. You could even use the same name then they'll be some recognition there.

>>85656450
I'm in the camp where comic John is godawful and there's something about him that doesn't click like it did for his DCAU version. If it makes you feel any better, John wasn't even supposed to be in the JL cartoon in earlier drafts. They wanted Hal or Kyle before they were told to diversify the cast more. That's also why Hawkgirl replaced Aquaman to make Diana not the only woman on the starting line-up and why she seems vaguely Latina.

>>85646277

Do you remeber Gearhead? I think he would be an interesting Cyborg villain

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>>85656493
No, he only showed up for two issues in New 52 TT and was never actually a part of the team.

He was a Teen Titan pre-New 52 though, but then he lost his powers so Cyborg told him to fuck off until the New 52.

>>85635989
isn't starfire's race a bunch of space-nazis, tho?

>>85656573
Right? I think it would be a nice fit considering DAVE is supposed to be an algamation of numerous villain personalites while Cyborg is still relatively new blood. Plus you can't go wrong with a smug AI

>>85646277
>Now take that concept, but now apply him to every hero rogues gallery
...so just make Amazo a Cyborg villain. That's already his deal. Hell, "Cyborg unsure of his place as the least experienced Leaguer vs. a robot who has all of the Justice League's powers" is so obvious I'd be disappointed if it HASN'T happened already. Anybody who reads JL here?

>>85658708
Yes?

>>85657111
That keeps changing all the time, who knows.

>>85658708
No not by powers, personality. Not saying AMAZO wouldn't be good for Cyborg, but DAVE is more of villain who considers himself a "man" who thinks of everything and wants to prove he's the worlds greatest criminal mastermind even though he's just an insane AI. DAVEs a strategist, not a powerhouse

I hate Cyborg with hair

>>85659080
Imagine if Cyborg had straight hair

>>85658988
I know, but that's all why I think DAVE works best as a Batman villain, as he was created for; he's just low-tier enough (as far as evil AI in superhero worlds go) that he doesn't stretch credibility, but adds a sci-fi flavor to Batman's usual psychodrama. Whereas Cyborg is, for better or worse, associated with the Justice League, and Amazo is one of the most iconic JL villains. Cyborg having a techno-villain with a Pinocchio complex would be cool too, but I think they'd be better off creating an original one, and have Amazo represent his insecurities - a cyborg who hero worships and feels useless compared to his teammates, vs. a total machine who is literally stronger than all his teammates put together.

>>85638741
I dislike this look a lot. I think Teen Titans did the look so much better.

But it seems depending on the writer his look jumps around from having a decent amount of fleshy bits to being all robot with only his face being human still.

>>85649975

>I am evil and from the future! Can you not tell by my glorious purple chrome cod piece?

>>85659232
Doesn't really matter now considering current AMAZO isn't even an android