All New Avengers #1

>>85599074
Please ignore everything Abnett did

Wait another avengers number one? Jesus Christ guys

>When the Avengers emerge in the fallout of "Civil War II," the team will look a bit different -- although they'll be fighting a familiar and deadly foe. >Marvel Comics has given CBR the exclusive first look at Alex Ross' cover for the all-new "Avengers" #1, which is part of the publisher's upcoming Marvel NOW! initiative. The cover depicts the Avengers' streamlined new roster: Captain America, Thor, Vision, Wasp, Hercules and Spider-Man
>This lineup of course comes after the departure of the teenage members Spider-Man (Miles Morales), Nova and Ms. Marvel from the team; those characters will form the core of the new "Champions" team book. This new Alex Ross cover does exclude one possible member that was included on the initial series teaser art by Adam Kubert: an Iron Man with an unrevealed identity.
>The solicit text for the new series proclaims the title of the first storyarc as well, which will be called "Kang War One." It's possible that we just saw the kickoff of this storyline in a recent issue of Waid's "All-New All-Different Avengers" as well.

>>85599092
Wasnt Abnett hercules good ?

>>85599074
>it's the continuation of a plot point from ANAD Avengers #13
>Iron Doom not joining this team at first

>>85599107
no it was just less bad than everything else marvel was putting out

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>>85599074
>KANG WAR ONE!
我々

http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/exclusive-all-new-avengers-1-alex-ross-covers-debuts-mighty-lineup

>>85599074
>tfw Spider-Man leaves after fourth page
>>85599107
It was. People are salty over God of Tumblr and how Herc's friends kept shitting on him in Civil War 2 tie-in.

>>85599074
Damn, Marvel always puts Del Mundo on shit titles.

>Mike del Mundo

Why does Marvel have all the good artists, reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

>>85599074
Who'd have thought Waid's Avenger would be so irrelevant.

Bendis isn't even writing the main book and him and Spencer are running the show

>>85599144
Because they also have the worst.

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Surely this will sell

>>85599180
ANAD avengers sold more than the best current x-book for a while, which is Uncanny, it wasnt until CW2 and apocalypse war that Uncanny manage to pass it.

>>85599180
It'll probably do a lot better than Champions.

>>85599204
>actually a variant

>>85599180
well considering it's a flagship book, yeah it might

>>85599204
no spidey, maybe a variant but there might be some truth in it.

>>85599259
like Uncanny Avengers and ANAD Avengers were.

>>85599074
>The Avengers are fighting Kang again
FUCKING. STOP.

>>85599074
>They are still pushing Captain Falcon
has he surpassed Bucky Cap?

>>85599272
Only one Avengers book had Jarvis :^)

>>85599280
Why ?

He is one of the big avengers villain, besides is good that they are using him not like the F4

>>85599074
>Avengers is not selling guys, what should we do?
>Pander to Spiderfags
Why is Del Mundo being wasted on this garbage?

>>85599281
Bucky was Captain America for a bit less than four years, Falcon has been Cap for over two years right now. I don't think he's surpassing Buck.

>>85599344
To be fair he'd be on garbage no matter what title they'd put him on. When's his exclusive up? He needs to be saved.

>>85599400
I mean, Pak's Hulk is one of the good titles and he was supposed to be on that.

>>85599074
Remember how everyone bitched because the in the early/mid '90s the Avengers were people like Black Knight, Crystal, Gilgamesh, Sersi, Hercules, etc.? Just a bunch of random people who really had no cohesiveness or felt like Avengers?

That's what this book, and the Avengers in general thanks to brand dillution, feels like.

>>85599400
Butthurt DCfag Marvel has all the good artists, lmao.

Del Mundo is wasted in big two garbage in general, anyway. He should go to do creator driven indie books.

>>85599426
It's not good.

>>85599074
Wow, I guess the Peter-is-the-new-tony thing is going to the logical place

>>85599441
>Black Knight
>Gilgamesh
>Sersi
Literally whos. People bitched with a reason.

>>85599441
I mean, the names are there. CAPTAIN AMERICA! THOR! VISION! HERCULES! That's as Avengery as it gets, but then you peel away the names and it's CAPTAIN AMERICA's other best friend and THOR's ex-girlfriend are hanging out with some Avengers for some reason, also, Spider-Man is there.

>>85599453
>Marvel has all the good artists, lmao.
What, you mean like Henderson and Land?

>>85599074
His first volume was so but so much shit.
Not expecting good things in here either.

>>85599488
Only Sersi returned to her normal life (in canon), and has yet to return post-Secret Wars (publication-wise).

>>85599074
See, I actually liked the idea of each member of this lineup being a successor to one of the founding Avengers (even if fem-Thor sucks), but putting Spidey in there ruins the concept.

>>85599562
>putting Spidey in there ruins the concept
Spidey is the Iron Man.

>>85599562
Who are Hercules and Vision succeeding?

>>85599548
Yeah, I know. I was just... bitching. I liked that team, jackets and all.
Sersi was supposed to show up in Black Knight but it got cancelled so...

>>85599568
>implying he may eventually leave to give way for Iron Doom

>>85599204

So maybe Doom Man might be in it?

That'd be worth reading, imo.

>>85599614
Spidey left the Uncanny Avengers after one issue. No reason to think he won't pull that shit again.

>>85599588
Oh right the first victim of the relaunch, Who will be the first victim of MARVEL NOW 2.0 ?

I bet is going to be foolkiller

>>85599588
I can't remember the last time a book got sent out to die as unabashedly as Black Knight. They even dealt him the killing blow by immediately putting him in the Weirdworld that they were trying desperately to put over at the time.

>>85599632
I bet on Solo, seeing how it's CONTROVERSIAL to shoot terrorists these days.

>>85599074
I can get behind this roster, but I can't get behind another #1

>>85599507

They keep their shitty artists for the X-books. REEEEEEEEEEEE

>>85599453
How does it feel that a dickgirl artist on a DC book is producing better art than 90% of Marlel artists?

>>85599493
>acting like Falcon isn't a classic Avenger
He was in the Michelinie, Johns, and Hickman runs.

>>85599668
But Duggan is the writer, how can he fail ?

>>85599580
Hercules took over Hulk's book for a while.
Vision is Hank Pym's "grandson" by way of Ultron.
I'd rather have Sif (as in Journey into Mystery) than femThor, but otherwise this is a pretty good lineup.

>>85599633
Indeed. While Weirdworld was perfect for sword & sorcery comic they really pushed it everywhere in first couple of months after Secret Wars. Even fucking X-Men went there.
>>85599698
He can just don't care. It's not like book will sell, why invest any effort.

>>85599733
>It's not like book will sell, why invest any effort.
Creative freedom. It's why stuff like Vision and Omega Men is God tier and Batman is mediocre fan pandering.

>>85599693
Was going more by the 60's members, the ones who are synonymous with the team, Falcon joined up in 79 and I can't remember him playing any major role since.

>>85599204
Why did they have to ruin Janet's costume?

>>85599972
It's Nadia fag

>>85599972
>Janet

>>85599972
That's not Janet. She's the new Wasp.

>>85599755
Batman is great.

>>85599999
ewww

>>85600005
How does it feel being a delusional writerfag?

>>85600039
How does it feel being a shitposter?

>>85599204

oh shit is that DOOM?

Is Tony going to die?

>>85600069
You missed that Riri is new Iron Man?

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>>85599999


Mother of christ, those are some nice repeating numbers

>>85600051
Same as you my man.

>>85600069
No. He's retiring. Victor is replacing him as Iron Man.

>>85600079

There is two Iron Man, her and Dr. Doom

>>85599766
Even still, it's not like the 60s members are the only ones that matter, and as you say, there are still two of those there with three others being legacies to them.

>>85600079
Riri isn't going to be going by Iron Man. They just haven't revealed what her name is going to be because her deciding what her name should be is going to be part of her character arc. The solicits for the first issue even say as much.

Doom is the new Iron Man.

>>85599441
>implying Herc and Black Knight aren't classic Avengers
Read Stern's run sometime kiddo.

>>85599107
Yeah, but he fears they take plots from Gaunt's Ghosts. Although Traitor General with Carol in the role of Sturm sounds fun.

>>85600069
Current prediction of the most obvious conclusion to CWII is "Tony realises how shitty he's been over MUH RHODEY, and steps down as Iron Man, inviting anyone who thinks they can do better to do so."
Cue Doom. Bendis-Doom

>>85599107
No.
Not for a Herc comic at least.
Yeah yeah, I'm a not muh fag. I know.

>>85600571
FAT PIECE OF FURNITURE when?

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I'm probably the most obnoxious DC fag on the board, but even I'm hyped about this. Waid has been a cuck for a while, but this is the turnaround for him. I just know it. I believe. Will buy and support the first issue as long as Marvel don't charge like £4.99 like they usually do.

>>85599107

It was literally the worst Hercules ongoing there has ever been, and yes I'm including that title during Spider Island.

>>85600180
Yup. Plus they were Avengers even before Stern.

>>85600764

ironically I'm the most obnoxious Marvelfag on the board and I hate this. It looks like a complete trainwreck that is Avengers In Name Only. You might as well round up the Outsiders and call them The Justice League.

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>>85599074
>more Kang
is it just me or has Waid completely run out of original ideas?

>>85601113
About ten to fifteen years ago, yeah.

>>85601033
Herc was pretty bad.

>KANG WAR ONE

Loving Waid's Avengers

>>85601113
I think you can see exactly how last bits of his creativity he didn't know he had yet to kill were dying in volume 4 of Daredevil.

>>85601163
Didn't that run have a God of Social Media and a God of Plastic Surgery?

>>85601081

Herc was one of the first post-Kooky Quartet members iirc

>>85599204
>Female Thor
Hasn't cancer killed this bitch yet. Ffs

>>85599144
They pay them twice as much as they pay writers.

>>85601186
I have no idea, but my main issue with the most recent Herc ongoing is the "new gods vs old gods" is a pretty straight rip from American Gods.

I'm not at all bothered by a God of Social Media or Plastic Surgery. Sure, it doesn't quite fit the idea of a traditional god, but that's kind of the point.

Interesting that Nadia is staying with the adult team

>>85601203
You recall perfectly, senpai. Kooky Quarter, Swordsman then Herc.

>>85601084
Why do you say that? I'm always open to be swayed.

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>>85601251

i knew my pointless avengers knowledge would be handy!

also Herc didn't have a beard then which is infinitely worse than what this thread is complaining about.

>>85599693
He's not, just like Herc. He's not a character people associated with the Avengers before the movies.

Your classic Avengers lineup will look something like Captain America, Iron Man, Thor, Wasp, Scarlet Witch, Vision, Hawkeye, and Hank Pym in any of his identities. Now you can take a couple of people out of there every so often, Vision/Hawkeye/Pym mainly, and add some C-listers like Jack of Hearts or Monica Rambeau or long time Avengers characters like Wonder Man or Quicksilver and it still works.

But you can't have your main Avengers team be characters who aren't really considered Avengers. That was the problem with the early '90s team. When you're reading the Avengers you expect certain characters and instead it was Captain America and the Literally Whos. I mean I like a lot of those characters but the likes of Quasar, Rage and Crystal shouldn't be anchoring the Avengers.

It was the same problem the Justice League had at the same time after JLI when it was full of characters like Nuklon, Obsidian and Tasmanian Devil. Or Robinson's JLA.

>>85599766
The 60s Avengers with their Brotherhood of Evil Mutants rejects and Iron Man foes? That's pure garbage
Accept no substitute, nostalgic anon, the true Avengers are Hank Pym, Thor Odinson, Bruce Banner, Tony Stark, Janet Van Dyne and Steve Rogers (not a founder, but he's Captain America)

>>85599693

in Michelinie he was in text only put on the team for a minority token and he hated it.

>>85601432

I see Cap, Thor, Vision, Wasp, Herc, and Spidey. What universe is that not an Avengers team. I think they have an Iron Man too

>>85601401
Yeah, he looks odd without beard. Probably because we're used to it. He shaved in nineties, too.
>he shaves
>Starjammers come to kill FRIEND DANE

>>85599972
That is the Hope expy.

>>85601486
That and most versions of Hercules do have beard. It fits with Herc being hot-tempered ass. Hercs without beards (like Sorbo's version) are usually smarmy assholes.

>>85599972
This costume isn't even bad. It's better than 90% of Janet's outfits.

>>85599999
What a waste of digits.

>>85599262
Spidey probably just appears for the first issue then fucks off. Just like in Uncanny Avengers.

>>85599107
Oarts were good but being told every issue that old herc sucked and new sober chaste herc is better god danm annoying real quick

>>85601584
>sorbo herc
>smarmy

Dude he was clark kent level nice and humble

>>85601459
>I see Cap, Thor, Vision, Wasp, Herc, and Spidey. What universe is that not an Avengers team. I think they have an Iron Man too
That's not Cap, Thor, Wasp and Iron Man. It's like a team where half the characters are Thunderstrike.

Also they've been doing it for 12 years and I still, to this day, can never actually consider Spider-Man an Avenger. He doesn't belong on teams in anything other than a temporary basis for team-ups.

>>85601432
This has got most of those, though. Sure, they're mostly legacy characters, but they're still those hero identities.
This huge backlash against legacy characters is mostly "because minorities", really. Nobody would be complaining this much if it was Eric Masterson and Bucky Barnes instead of Jane Foster and Sam Wilson.
>>85601459
>Spidey
>an Avenger

>>85601988
To be honest, Pete was a reserve Avenger long before Bendis. Also, he is probably financing them. Stark is completely out of the picture after CW2, so somebody needs to pay for Avengers. Also, I guess Parker Industries stays after Clone Conspiracy.

>>85601432
>He's not, just like Herc
Stopped reading right there. Please refer to >>85600180

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>>85599441
>>85599488
>>85599493
>Being this much an insecure A-Lister shill

>>85599683

His art looks unfinished half the time.

>>85602016
>Also, he is probably financing them
This is a good point. The idea of the Avengers operating out of the Baxter Building while funded by Spider-man with Doctor Doom as one of its members seems all kinds of weird though.

>>85601933

>not muh

I dunno what to tell you about Spidey, he's been an Avenger for decade+ now.

>>85602511
>Everyone who likes things is just a shill
Whatever you say, Anon.

>>85602735
>Joined the New Avengers in 07
>Joined the Avengers in 2011
I mean, unless you count reserve members, which you shouldn't.

>>85599074
>more guys than girls
TRIGGERED

>>85602939
It's ok, Vision is a synthezoid and Herc is bi, so it balances out.

>>85602967
>Herc is bi
kek

>>85601988
Peronally, I always thought that keeping Spider-Man as a "reserve" Avenge was bulshit. He always worked just fine with them, aside from some forced scenes about him wearing a mask, so it was odd that they went decades without getting him in an actual permanent line up.

>>85602967
It's 2016, why are male characters even allowed?

>>85602967
Herc isn't bi
Alonso said so

>>85599074
Is Spidey leading the Avengers now? What the fuck?

>>85599204
>RirIron Man
>Iron Doom
>this guy
So the next event is going to be Everyone is Iron Man, isn't it?

>>85603051
>It's totally cool for Ares to father some kind of demon horse monster
>It's not at all cool for Hercules to be bisexual
This will never not be fucking stupid.

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>>85599074
>Doom and Kang encountering each other again
Oh dear

>>85601604
current one in UA is goat though.

>>85603279
Why are there so many different versions of Reed's dad running around the time stream, anyway?

>>85601933
Spider-Man made a better Future Foundations member. That probably has to do with the fact that the Fantastic Four were always nice to him and legitimately helped him out when he needed it. Peter's stories involving the Avengers always deals with him solving the event by himself then the Avengers showing up at the end to take the credit.

>>85602016
>I guess Parker Industries stays after Clone Conspiracy.
Shit, Tony Stark lite Peter is the worse. They should just make him a teacher again or make him the CEO of the Daily Bugle.

>>85603370
Bugle is a website now though
>Peter gets sued by Ben Grimm
Kinda want that, to be honest.

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>>85599074
>KANG WAR ONE
I doubt it'll be worse than that time Kang the Conqueror nuked Washington DC, waged war all across the planet, put thousands in concentration camps and made the world governments and most of the Avengers surrender.
Kang Dynasty was not erased from continuity, yet nobody EVER brings it up even though it should logically be one of the most horrible things to happen to the Earth.

>>85603336
>Spider-Man made a better Future Foundations member.
He literally did nothing at all except get mad when an alien said he had a big butt. There was no point to him being on that team at all and it's one of my biggest complaints about Hickman's F4 run.

>>85602967
>Herc is bi
Not anymore.

>>85603097
Probably less leading and more funding.

>>85599441
I liked 90s Avengers. It felt like a collection of the only people willing to step up and paint a giant sized "A" target on their forehead, at a time when every wouldbe galactic conquerer would drop by Earth and demand a fight with them.

Also, those flight jackets were pretty nifty.

>>85603131
That guy IS Iron Doom.

>>85603318
Blame Nikola Tesla and Immortus for that one.

>>85603443
I thought Iron Doom had a grey version of Riri's armor + a cloak?

>>85603468
Damn you, Night Machine!

Wait, isn't Immortus also a version of Nathaniel?

>>85603397
Because if it's not about heroes fighting each other no one cares

>>85603403
Hey! He does /not/ have a big butt.

>>85603517
Look, I think even Immortus himself doesn't know who he is anymore.

>>85603051
>>85603413
>Greek
>Not bi.

>>85601988
>Nobody would be complaining this much if it was Eric Masterson and Bucky Barnes instead of Jane Foster and Sam Wilson.
>implying
I don't give two shits about the Avengers personally but if what do care about, the x-men were to be replaced by a team of whos with the same code names I'd be livid.

>>85603517
He is a descendent and namesake. But Immortus is the penultimate version of Kang

>>85603517
No. His name is Nathaniel Richards, but he's not the same Nathaniel Richards as Reed's dad. He's actually one of Reed's descendants.

But also >>85603561

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>>85603397
>>85603542
Truly an underrated classic both in and out of universe

>>85603584
Reed must have really hated Father's Day until his one dad killed all of his other dads.

>>85599102
avengers
avengers
avengers
avengers
coming 2016 justice avengers
but seriously this year has been for avenging

>>85603473
That cover was likely made before they had finalized Iron Doom's design, especially considering it's not the first issue's actual cover.

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>>85603561
That's because he's everybody.
EVERYBODY'S KANG
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImvVpBBiOYU

>>85603443
That armor design stinks. He looks like green Ultron-man.

>>85603599
Wait, Is Immortus Iron Lad? Or is Iron Lad Kang? Honestly, the whole Richards family tree is a clusterfuck of biblical proportions.

>>85603599
Then why would Immortus make all versions of his ancestor kill each other? Isn't he endangering his own existence?

>>85603318
I thought Reed's dad was the only dude with only one copy in the multiverse.

>>85603662
Same person.

Iron Lad -> Rama Tut -> Kang -> Immortus.

>>85603662
Immortus, Iron Lad, and Kang are all the same person. As are Kid Immortus and Rama-tut.

>>85603671
All but one, anon. Also all instances of Nathaniel Richards that he had kill each other were ones where Reed had already been born.

>>85603662
Iron Lad was Kang before he started conquering. Avengers: Children Crusade ends with him starting to turn into Kang that we first saw in Fantastic Four as Tut.

>>85603671
To ensure that everything happens properly. He does the same to Kang A LOT.

>>85599107
Eh it started out good but at some point he started shitting on Herc really badly.

Considering how Abnett stories are a slow burn he probably had more planned but I guess he jumped ship to DC and now it's an incomplete mess.

Hope Gil comes back tho, I liked him.

>>85603685
Iron Lad becomes Kid Immortus, not Rama-Tut.

>>85603682
Reed's dad fought a bunch of other Reed's dads in a tournament during Hickman's F4 run and the one true - or as close as you can get to the one true version a guy who has multiple versions of himself running around the time stream - killed all the others and now only he exists. Thus making Father's Day that much less stressful and time consuming for all of his son.

>>85603685
>>85603691
>>85603713
I thought the Summers family tree was a mess.

>>85599624
We'll see since Waid thinks Doom is an SoB who can't be redeemed.

Then again he said years ago he DGAF about Tony and has always been good at writing him.

>>85603760
Richards family tree is pretty OK. It's just that Kang is that one guy that everybody hates, so he scres with his own family by making them confusing.

>>85603051
>>85603413
>Ruining my headcanon
That's why we are coming to take over your comics and replace them with something a little more progressive, shitlords.

>>85603802
Look, I think everyone agrees the "Herc is not bi" thing is absolute bullshit. Calm down. We're all on the same side on this topic.

>>85599281
The stories are better, at least.

>>85599106
>an Iron Man with an unrevealed identity.
you mean the 15 year old girl or Doctor Doom?

>>85603397
The only place I can recall it even been mentioned was in the edit of Captain America talking to that idiot woman reporter after the first Civil War story.

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>>85599074
>Peter is an Avenger again.

>ANAD and not Uncanny.

>>85604030
Do you really expect him to serve on the same team as Deadpool? Spidey doesn't like being the straight man, especially not to a mass murderer who keeps trying to get in his pants.

>>85604115
He made amends with Wade though. Spider-Man/Deadpool, Peter even forgave Wade for shooting him in the face twice.

>>85604275
Doesn't mean he wants to be near him.

And after all the shit Wade pulled in SM/D, I'm surprised Peter would ever forgive, much less tolerate him.

>>85603760
>I thought the Summers family tree was a mess.
It's actually pretty straight forward. I'm also pretty sure that Rachel Summers is the only version of herself in the multiverse.

>>85604355
I don't think Peter gives a shit if he dies or not, he always suspected it would happen one day. What he's more pissed about is finding out that part of his life was erased during OMD and hunting who did that, if anything Wade did him a favor by helping him find that out.

>>85603713
>Avengers: Children Crusade ends with him starting to turn into Kang that we first saw in Fantastic Four as Tut.
But that doesn't make any sense. Pre-Rama-Tut Nathaniel was a bored guy that watched westerns and superhero documentaries all day until he found his ancestor's time machine. Logically, Iron Lad/Kid Immortus HAS to lose his memory again at some point.

>>85604570
>part of his life was erased during OMD and hunting who did that

But it was Peter himself who did that, wasn't it?

I didn't read OMD, it actually got me to swear off comics for almost a decade.

Fact is no marvel book will ever hit 50 issues ever again
He'll when was the last time one did hit 50?

>>85605151
Ya that's why this little story arc kelly doing could be one of the worst or the best stories for spidey in awhile here hoping he doesn't desappoint

>>85606193
Spider-Man/Deadpool has been awesome so far, so I'm hopeful.

>>85599074
Will Falcon continuously act like a big fucking dick? Waid has made me legit want to see Captain Falcon get killed off.

i can't find that panel of all the Kangs arguing for this thread and i'm very upset

>>85606304
I wonder why editorial is letting him do it though that part keeps bugging me and admittedly scaring me

>>85606624
scaring? Why?

>>85606830
I trust kelly but editorial have been know for fucking writers over in the past and they been very strict on the don't undo OMD rule they had going on till now just trying to figure out what changed there minds.