JUST WHAT THE FUCK DID MARVEL DO TO DRIVE AWAY THE FANS???

Sold the movie rights to Fox and decided "well fuck em"

>>85561526
>hulks a chink that has none of the charm as banner
>thors a boring woman
>wolverine, the image of manliness, is now a bitch
>captain america is now a race which was discriminated less then a hundred years ago in america
>squrrial girl looks like a fucking downie
I wonder why

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No real incentive to market a superhero team well when Fox keeps making worse and worse movies with them and won't part with the rights.

It's unfortunate. I would enjoy a Fantastic Four Netflix series and I think the format works better for superheroes than movies.

>>85561627
You didn't even look at the image, you mongoloid.

>>85561627
Its pretty funny cause my minority friends that don't even read comics heard what was going on in Marvel and couldn't stop talking about how racist it is that they are just changing characters to try to capture a demographic.

>>85561627
>banner
>having charm
>cho
>not having charm
what?

>>85561627
has nothing to do with the image you mong

Is this a joke?
The comic market changed drastically from the 90s to now, those numbers you're looking at were unsustainable and led to bankruptcy in 96.

Not to mention F4 sucked absolute balls back then.

>>85561627
>hulks a chink that has none of the charm as banner
Wasn't Amadeus hispanic?

>>85561659
>>85561737
OP said what went wrong with marvel, and i just gave examples which affected the company as a whole, which certainly has effect on fantastic four
>>85561694
>enotionally troubled and depressed scientist forced to deal with giant inside him
>asian who doesnt give a shit when he hulks out
Which sounds more interesting you anon?

>>85561868
What do you think his last name is?
No googling, casual. God is watching.

>>85561895
Cho-Garcias-Roberto-Fernandez.

>>85561895
>What do you think his last name is?
It didn't sound Asian

>>85561895
>God
Fuck outta here priest, go touch an altar boy

>>85561526
You know what the horrible part is? They said they cancelled Fantastic Four because of low sales even though it never dipped below the cancellation line.

>>85561627
>>85561868
He's Korean, not Chinese.

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>>85561928
>It didn't sound Asian

>>85561526
Don't worry, OP. 40% of their readership is female, they're fine. :)

>>85561890
>Which sounds more interesting you anon?
Well seeing as how I've read the comic and all the bottom seems to work just fine.

>>85561890
They've milked about half a century worth of stories out of the former, which was already just an on the nose riff on Jekyll & Hyde which has/had been done before and the latter seems to be working out swell.

>>85562002
I fucking hate the character, im gonna insult him by purposefully missing his heritage.

>>85561976
>They said they cancelled Fantastic Four because of low sales

They pretty much gave the book to Paniccia/Robinson for the sales to bottom out and for them to have a reason to cancel it. I think it speaks to those two's credit that it didn't go as Marvel expected.

>>85561526

Remember OP, It's your fault that Marvel doesn't make anymore Fantastic Four comics because they didn't sell.

Now buy the all new #1 of Captain Marvel (Volume 9)

>>85562040
40% of nothing is still nothing.

es

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>>85562547
Don't you worry anon, I looked up those numbers too.

>>85561647
I'd rather see an adultswim show written by the anon who writes those episodic threads.

>>85561586
The rights have been out since 1984.

>>85561647
Look at the image. It's clearly a long-term trend, from well before Marvel had any ideas about making its own movies. Back in 1998-2003 they were selling significantly fewer books than just two years earlier, but very little of that was down to the market crash, because those 1996-1997 figures relate to Heroes Reborn, and they're way, way up on where the FF were up to 1996.

The slide down from that dizzying height is one that they've shared with many major titles across multiple publishers in the same period. Sometimes things just don't sell. Hell, that's why they were cancelled and rebooted in 1996.

>>85561865

Unsustainable only because there were fewer readers buying more, and more expensive, titles. If they'd built up the audience they could easily have sustained that. But print publications in general are experiencing a decline (which is much longer term - it was already noticeable during WW2 looking back at several decades' worth of figures).

>>85561976
"The cancellation rate" isn't really a thing. It's a threshold below which any title at any publisher is said to be unprofitable, but it depends on a lot of other factors like cost of production, average sales over the longer term, stability of those sales figures (a title which sells 20k solid, without question, every month for 5 years is better than one that sells 60k one month a year, 20k for six months and 12k the other five and has to be cancelled going into year 2), how much interest it generates in the publisher's other titles (big names help here), and so on. Legal costs, for example the cost of writing back to a vexatious legal firm who think your little print outfit should be paying a movie studio the lawyers work for some royalties because "the movies clearly have a far larger audience than the comic book and this must generate sales for the publisher". All of this has to be paid by the book, as does a share of developing other titles.

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>>85562547
>(Volume 9)
>mfw this is barely an exaggeration

I hope her movie bombs because that's the only reason they've been pushing her.

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>>85562829
I am that anon. It's harder to create than mock. But thank you for the vote of confidence.

>>85562935
Thanks for keeping me entertained. I haven't caught one in a while though..

>>85562869
Two of Batman's movies have been considered bombs, ironically: Batman Returns and Batman & Robin. 2005's Batman Begins wasn't considered a bomb, but only because it came after a bomb rather than a hit. It was actually less profitable for the studio than Batman Returns, and much of the money it did make was down to a higher relative ticket price - like for like on the same ticket price, it would be about midway between Batman Returns and Batman and Robin.

>>85562869
>barely
http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Captain_Marvel_Vol_10_1

>>85562967
I don't know what that has to do with anything. Carol isn't Batman. Batman's comic books sell all the time.

Also, Batman Begins came out prior to the comic book movie boom, the amount of money it made was probably considered a huge success considering what it had to do(erase Batman & Robin from people's memory).

>>85561526
If the comics sell well, they get nothing out of them

If they create a great character for Fantastic Four, Fox gets it for free by extension rather than Marvel using it in their shit

Fox won't bend the knee and make a deal for split merchandising rights like Sony in exchange for help with the movies/characters

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>>85562966
Check the archives. If you want, I can send you some the files I've compiled for them. My email is
[email protected] You can email me which episodes you want and I can send em over.

>>85561526
>Marvel
Fox made three abhorrent movies that raped the brand into a coma.

>>85562869

It's not an exaggeration. We're about to start volume 10

>>85563000
That's pathetic.

>>85563058
>If the comics sell well, they get nothing out of them

Is some /co/ misinformation here? Are you trying to say any money they make off FF comics they don't get it?

that doesn't sound right senpai.

>>85563217
It's bullshit. Fox makes nothing off of sold Fantastic Four and X-Men comics, so Marvel purposefully tanking them is only hurting themselves.

>>85563217
they get a pittance of comic sales compared to the amount they could be making from fantastic four movie/tv related shit
nothing was a figure of speech

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>>85563040
You posted a Batman movie. Selling comic books is hardly a feat: most popular magazines sell in the low millions once a month. Even combined, Batman's titles don't come close; DC might be a publisher, but WB is a studio and Time Warner is a media group that should, by rights, long ago have pulled out of comic book publishing. In fact for a long time in the 1980s DC Comics was used to offset tax liabilities elsewhere in the group - because it ran at a loss (officially). So for that period the entire company was being kept going, despite selling pretty poorly (DC didn't ever catch up with Marvel for 30 years, until about 1986 when Marvel's sales also fell to record lows), when it really should have been sold off. In fact, they did initiate discussions - tentatively - about selling up their catalog to Marvel in the early 1980s.

It's hard to argue Batman Begins didn't impress critics (pic related, but there have been many much more brown-nosing reviews in the years since the sequels proved more popular); Variety by contrast felt "none of these figures qualifies as a great villain" and correctly called out R'as on his psychobabble bullshit but was generally positive.

http://variety.com/2005/film/awards/batman-begins-1200525369/


They also report that the premiere was overshadowed by Holmes/Cruise being revealed as an item that month

http://variety.com/2005/scene/vpage/batman-begins-premiere-1117924088/

and in a year of generally disappointing box office (Star Wars being the exception), Batman did OK, but not as good as the same time the previous year (against Harry Potter)

http://variety.com/2005/film/box-office/batman-begins-to-seduce-o-seas-auds-1117925054/

So no, it wouldn't have been considered a huge success. Not a failure, but no doubt cast in relief against D.U.F.F. Batman & Robin it looked a lot better.

>>85563477

He didn't post a Batman movie. He used a Batman reaction image you fucking sperg

>>85563209
That's over 50 years and what, five, six characters using the name at Marvel? Maybe more, if they're counting limited series during events.

Carol as a character is on her fifth volume, I think.

>>85563375
>>85563217
>Marvel purposefully tanking them is only hurting themselves

If you assume that the publication and sale of a volume of any work is not impacted by any external factors, sure.

But in reality, there's limited shelf space, retailers don't want titles that don't sell well because every day they're on the shelf is costing fractionally more of the retailer's profit at the cover price (not to mention the loss of selling them below cover), you have to pay people to make them, and so on. Whereas if you could just pay someone to make a Darth Vader comic and have it shit money all over your face while a summer event sucks you off, you totally would, because your costs would stay the same but you'd be getting much bigger orders from much happier retailers.

To be fair to you, FOX has no need to make a deal to split tv/movie merch rights with Marvel, because FOX isn't making any money due to their awful FF movies being so incredibly bad, and for some reason they never produce X-Men movie merchandise (which FOX would retain the money from, and Marvel can't produce itself except under license).

>>85563477
>You posted a Batman movie.
I posted a reaction image you fucking autist.

>>85563651
So what you're saying is he posted a Batman movie.

Obviously not the whole thing, but the file size limit on /co/ would make that difficult.

>>85563669
Of a movie series that has flopped twice, from a company that was propped up by the rest of the Time Warner group for decades as a tax vehicle.

While talking about that exact scenario being something... you know what, I think you may actually be retarded.

>>85563655
>That's over 50 years and what, five, six characters using the name at Marvel?
So? Fucking Harley Quinn has had less volumes and more solo issues than Carol in the last 40 years. That's pathetic.

>>85562967
>>85563477
>>85563655
>>85563735
Is this satire?

>>85563804
How is that pathetic when Harley Quinn is DC's third most popular character.

>>85563921
Not pathetic. Marvel should take notes on how to create a new character that people actually like.

>>85563735
What ? You did all that mental workout and got all those just because that anon said he hoped the capt mavel movie fails and because he posted a batman picture.

Calm yourself carolfag, you are acting as a sperg

>>85563944
Yeah but Carol is neither new or popular, and the push they have been doing to her have just hurted her sales ( compared with her sales numbers from before ANAD ).

And she doesnt have the benefit of being comic popular as black panther who is more iconic

>>85563848
Why would >>85563655 be satire?

>>85564158
because he somehow is trying to prove something about batman and bad movies because someone posted a batman pic saying that the Carol movie is going to be bad.

>>85564247
That poster isn't the same one, though. He's on about Carol, shelf economics, and Fox.

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>>85561526
They made this bed, now they can die in it

>>85564369
>That poster isn't the same one
Yes he is. He just decided to jump into two conversations at once because he's a maximum autist.

>>85563944
>>85564139
You have to keep in mind that Harley didn't start being a popular character until seventeen years after he debut. She was a c-lister until about 2000/2001 and b-list until Arkham Asylum.

>>85563921
>People actually believe this

>>85563921
How pathetic is it that Harley Quinn outsells 90% of Marvel's output also?

>>85564719
Well actually the fourth

>>85561526
Have shit writers...also the renumberings are a hilariously bad idea.

>>85561962
>>85561962
Filthy casual. Priest is writing for DC.

>>85561895
Cholo

>>85563655
>for some reason they never produce X-Men movie merchandise (which FOX would retain the money from, and Marvel can't produce itself except under license).
...What if they managed to make comics related to the movie universe? Would they keep all the money?

I mean, they would likely suck anyway because their movie universe a shit, but it would be pretty damn funny.

Also, to be fair, I'd be okay with comics in the Deadpool movie universe, and they could at least TRY to make decent X-Men comics now, similar to X-Men '92, with the added plus of Rightclops which Marvel doesn't even seem to want anyore.

>>85562807
It seems the promotion to Captains' what caused her ship to sink

>>85561526
It's not related to Fantastic Four directly, but for years Marvel has been trying to get rid off their fans.

>>85562807
But digital sales!

>>85561526
it stopped making good comics. now they're ip farming for movies

>>85564446
PAGE IS TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT
BOOK IS ACTUALLY COMFY AND WELL-WRITTEN!
That's what /co/mrades tell in threads.

>>85561526
Is this bait?
You're talking about the company that has relentlessly sabotaged the franchise that saved them from bankrupcy because Fox won't give them the movie rights.
At least FF "ended".

>>85568879
>That's what /co/mrades tell in threads.

Those were shills you idiot.