Why are Nova's sales so shit compared to Miles & Kamala?

>>85498747
GO DIE SAM NOBODY WANTS YOU

>>85498747
He's not brown or quirky enough. Also, brand recognition.

Also, he's Sam.

>>85498747

Jesus, was he always such a manlet?

Nova #9

What the fuck is this? Another reboot? I remember reading 20 or 30 so issues of this new Nova.

Seriously, does anyone even follow marvel anymore? Their numbering is fucked up. Every year there are MULTIPLE reboots. All the books are fucked up.

Say what you want but DC did what, 2 reboots in 5+ years? And all the books did it too so it's not hard to follow them. Now marvel each book gets a relaunch. At different times. And then a major relaunch. But then we can't have those 5 issue series get renumbered again can't we? So we renumber some of those, only to renumber them later and then the cycle goes on and on and on and on and i'm writing like Bendis because this post to show that marvel comics are shit

>>85498843
please don't bully Sam

>>85498794
He isnt the latino that diversity groups support.

>>85498774
fuck off I want him to be happy!

>>85498747
They aren't really good at marketing without drumming up a controversy.
Also, his namesake isn't nearly as popular.

>>85498747
>He was an unlikeable cunt in the TV show, so no sales boost from that
>Nova's never really sold well anyway
>Not Muh Nova
>Muh Loeb's Dead Son
>Current run is kind of shit
>A lot of people just don't like Sam (even if they're wrong about it)
tl;dr: not a great selling character in the first place that lost a lot of its following when the legacy came in.
That said, #9 deserved WAY better sales than it got. The Captain was GOAT.
>>85498976
At least in this case it's an actual new run with a new team and plot instead of just a renumbering.

>>85498843
I just want manlet fags to fuck off and die already. Depending on the power set height and weight can have no bearing at all on how powerful a character is.

>>85498747
>>Nova #9 16,726
Where is that at? Comichron is still at June.

>>85499128

I just thought it was weird, he never seemed that small in the few appearances of his that I've read.

>>85499231
There is a thread with july sales

people will start buying his book when he starts fucking Viv

>>85499231
>>85490096

>>85498747
Isn't that cancellation numbers?

>>85499552
It depends. Usually, yes though.

>>85499552
yes that's why he and rich are going to share the next volume

>>85498747
>Legacy that was never amazingly popular to begin with
This would be enough, but then you add
>Fanfiction tier origin story
>boring book except for the Beta Ray Bill and Kluh parts
>"MUH DAD"
>dumb looking helmet
>"MUH DAD" arc is finally over
>undone in the next volume
>new volume shits all over the previous one and pretends it pretty much didn't happen

>>85498747
He's a fucking white male

>>85499666
The rest of what you said is a matter of opinion, but
>dumb looking helmet
Objectively wrong.
>>85499700
He's a spic, anon.

>>85500065
Sam's helmet looks incredibly dumb from the front, it'd be alright if it didn't have little "fin" things or whatever the fuck they're supposed to be.

>>85499021
But Sam deserves it.

>>85498747
he's not the right kind of ethnic.

>>85499552
Yeah, book is ending with issue 11 then relaunching as a buddy cop book with Rich and Sam.

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>>85499077
He's destined to suffer, anon. There is nothing you can do for him.

>>85498747
Not a popular brand, doesn’t get any SJW because no one cares about Latinos as minorities and he is white as fuck, he wasn't created by Bendis or G Willlow or whatever her name is, he isn't being marketed like crazy by Marvel like the other two are.

However Sam is more likeable.

>>85498747
he's fucked up in so many parts

SJWs dont like him because hetero white(ish) male
Novafags dont like him because he isnt Dick Rider
Kamala is adorable to everyone, both Carolcorps and people who hate her
Miles is the token black guy in the whitest franchise Marvel has (Spiderman).

>>85498976
do people honestly care about the number on the issue? newfag here but that seems like really autistic, to me.

>>85499666
That reminds me, we started out the current volume selling us on that Sam and his dad were gonna be a team only to reveal that was never his dad. How do we know they won't bait and switch Richard Rider?

>>85500144
It looks great, what the fuck are you talking about?
It's better than Rich's

>>85500291
Because unlike Sam's dad, people actually care about Dickrider enough for it to, ideally, push sales up into non-cancellation territory.

>>85500065
What percentage of people would know that by looking at him?

>>85498843
He's like 14, so yes?

>>85498747
Sam needs to fuck off to space and have space cop adventures with other space cops. Give him an identity beyond junior avenger the 3rd wheel edition Marvel editorial has him on now. He'll never be as popular as a Spider-Man universe character and Kamala is a pretty Muslim girl, a rarity in American comics.

Oh, and give Sam some color. Play up the Hispanic portion more. He just looks like a generic white manlet. Do a reverse Sunspot on this little fag.

>>85500344
>Do a reverse Sunspot on this little fag.
Can we do a reverse Sunspot on Sunspot, too?

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>>85500295
It looks like shit and your opinions are shit.

>>85498747
man Jean really is a cunt isn't she?

>>85500395
I'd rather have the fins than the dumb-looking flat-sided bullet, mate. If there was even a little curvature or shape to Rich's helmet I might not think Sam's was better.

>>85498843
He's a child.

>>85500372
>Can we do a reverse Sunspot on Sunspot, too?
Slightly tanned frat bro Sunspot not to your liking?

>>85499128
t. manlet

>>85498747
who even cares about comics books anymore

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>>85500456

>>85498747

It's sad because he is the only one I like out of the three.

>>85500344
>Oh, and give Sam some color. Play up the Hispanic portion more
Would this really help him?

>>85500344
>Sam needs to fuck off to space and have space cop adventures with other space cops.

This so much sadly.

>Nova

Thats why

>>85498976
you forgot the arbitrary decimal point one issues.

>>85500933
It'd give them a scapegoat for his lack of sales.

>>85501006
I know some people are gonna take this as inflammatory, but Nova never sold this bad before Sam came along.

>>85500933
Wouldn't hurt. But if it does hurt:
>>85501156
>It'd give them a scapegoat for his lack of sales.

Basically, Marvel is pushing the young colored bucks. Sam is the odd man out on the diversiteam they got going on there despite him having Hispanic lineage with an absentee white father. Scrawny beta white male types are out of style. Give him some color and get him off of earth. No one is doing shit in space atm, so it would net Marvel good free publicity to put a kid of color out there having adventures. Anyways, since Richard is coming back, we already got the "aww shucks I"m just a white kid from a simple suburban life" role filled up. Shit, whenever Star Lord gets freed from Bendis and gets back to space, we'll have double fillings of that. Playing up the Hispanic part of Sam could help keep him afloat.

Not that any of this matters. I doubt Sam has a future.

>>85501357
While true, to look at the situations without context would be extremely foolish. They're two very different characters in different sales environments with different book leadups/content so it's silly to compare them by brass tacks.

>>85498747
He's white.

>>85501533
Sam feels like he's trying to recapture Richard's character to a more kid friendly degree. The guy was an underachiever at everything he did and only lived to be a super hero.
Also, Sam was around in a time where cosmic Marvel was WAY more popular than the DnA era. Now, nobody gives a shit about anything but GotG. He really doesn't have a good excuse for his bad sales.

If they gave Sam a cute boyfriend, his series would be infinitely more popular. Come on Bendis you know you want to.

>>85501736
I think Bendis only likes Sam because he hates Richard.
I doubt Bendis is gonna write the next Nova volume.

>>85501736
I've started ironically unironically shipping Sam/Miles. It's so bad it's good.

How old is Sam supposed to be?

They both seem too short when stood next to Jean, who is only a year older than Miles.

>>85501812
like 15

>>85501845
That's unfortunate. When I was 15 I don't recall there being 16 year old girls a whole head taller than me.

>>85501736
Loeb would have Bendis killed in his sleep if he tried that

>>85501357
Well, he's a traditionally mediocre-to-bad seller who lost a lot of fans between Loeb haters and Richfags. It's not that surprising.

>>85501978
I seriously don't think Loeb even knows what's going with Sam anymore.
Plus, Bendis has a lot more pull than Loeb.
Tbh, that insane motherfucker should be glad if they make him gay instead of killing him off, which where Sam is definitely headed right now

Popular things are rarely ever good. Nova is good. Miles and Kamala are shitty and boring.

>>85502139
I forced myself through reading Vol 5 and wholeheartedly disagree.
He landed himself here and deserves the state he's in.

>>85502139
Sam is just as bad as Miles, and I can't really say anything about Kamala since I've never read her books.

>>85502139
Woah there anon. I like Sam too, but Kamala is great.

>>85502039
>Tbh, that insane motherfucker should be glad if they make him gay instead of killing him off, which where Sam is definitely headed right now

Yeah, Sam right now seems like future fodder bait for whatever event Marvel wants to add a body to in the near future. He's easily the most dispensable of the up-and-comers who have their own book, getting their own book, or who have some semblance of a fandom for whatever reason.

>>85502139
>Sam is a good character and the others aren't

This is what Samfags have to delude themselves into thinking. Pitiful. He's just as shit if not more so. Just because he's an underdog doesn't mean he's good. It just means his shittiness isn't glossed over as much as the others.

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>>85502405
Samfags are just mad he's left out of the shipping

Its actually funny Sam isn't getting shipped with Kamala more since he interacts with her more than Miles in their team book

>>85502488
Man, I don't even want SamxKamala. That's a garbage ship. It's all about the SamxViv

>>85502488
They ones that want him shipped with Kamala only want it so he can leech off of her popularity. It's kind of sad really.

>>85499588
>>85500210
That's the best outcome, the Richfags can now start supporting and shut their mouths if it doesn't do as good, plus you get Sam and Rich being bros.

I just hope the writer for that comic is good and wants to write actual cosmic stories.

>>85502605
Kamala isn't popular

>>85500065
He looks white and doesn't know Spanish, might as well be white.

>>85502523
Sam/Viv is basically canon at this point. I'm certain they'll hold hands next issue of Vision

>>85502622
Please, we both know that if the book fails they'll just blame it all on Sam.

>>85500281
It matters when you want to go back and read an old Nova issue but there are like 20 #9s and Marvel doesn’t bother with marking volumes.

>>85502622
Sam's track record makes him the perfect scapegoat. Nothings he's been has worked out.
I'm just really hoping they put a good writer on it

>>85501684
>Also, Sam was around in a time where cosmic Marvel was WAY more popular than the DnA era.
No.

>>85502846
Do you really think DnA era comes anywhere close to movie era popularity?

>>85502874
Do you really think that there's any sort of popularity in modern cosmic aside from GotG properties?

>>85502904
And by that, I mean that cosmic isn't popular right now. The Guardians are.
You could have a RichNova book running parallel to the Bendis Guardians, and I'm sure it does only slightly better than Sam's book.

>>85502952
Right now is not 2 years ago.
Right now, everything aside for the main GotG book is selling like shit, but when the movie came out, those guys were selling like crazy.
Plus, I don't think Richard would sink to Sam's level. Marvel would cancel him long before he ever got that bad.

>>85498747
So Jean made him gay right?

>>85501809
so does miles

What villains are you guys hoping to show up when Richard's back?
I'd like to see
>Round 2 with Annihilus
>Thanos
>Shuma-Gorath
>Garthaan Sall
I feel like there's some potential very interesting history with Richard between Thanos and Shuma. Plus, I'd like to know what the fuck was going with Garthaan.

>>85503007
>but when the movie came out, those guys were selling like crazy.
No they weren't.
There was GotG, Legendary Star-Lord, Rocket Raccoon, Nova, and Cyclops. The mainline GotG book was the only one selling like crazy. Everything else was mediocre+.

>>85499060
because he is white

>>85503368
>all that retreading
How about giving Rich some new shit to do that doesn't involve reliving his DnA adventures?

>>85503469
They're all immensely better than the villains Sam dealt with
>Furry
>Kalindra
>Kluh
Plus, Rich didn't start dealing with Thanos and Shuma until the end of Thanos Imperative.

>>85503544
Straw Man, the post.
How embarrassing.

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>tfw its the best book of the three
>tfw it'll be cancelled by the end of the year

>>85503587
Go ahead and tell me how much you liked them.

>>85501978
>not wanting the expy of your son getting together with a cute boy, kissing and holding hands
>not wanting to see the potential fan art and R34 of the the two
Porn would be drawn in honor of Loeb Jr.

>>85498747
Miles is riding off Peter's name
Kamala is simply doing well for herself
No one cares about cosmic Marvel

>>85503624
What the fuck are you even talking about? Why are you even bringing up Sam's shitty villains? Are you that retarded?

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>>85498747
>Nova #9 16,726
Last I checked I thought they were higher than that, can someone confirm

>>85503678
>Miles is riding off Peter's name
So why are the other Spider-Man books selling like shit

ASM isn't doing that hot itself

>>85503698
>>85490096

I'm going to wait for Comichron's numbers though. Also, I'm curious to see August's eventual numbers to see if the Captain's presence does anything for sales.

>>85503696
Dude, what the fuck is your deal? I asked which villains would be cool to see and you try to start shit.

>>85503734
Didn't Carnage-man do ~30k an issue too?
And I don't even know why Miguel's not dicking around in the future. What's the point if he's not in the future?

Anywho, they're not getting pushed 1/10th as hard as Miles who's in everything

Also, I honestly hope ASM hits sub 30k numbers if it'll get Slott off Peter's back

>>85503895
Slott will die before he leaves Spider-Man.

>>85503800
Because it's boring nostalgic-shit to just reroll out past event enemies like that. The only one on your list that I'd be interested in seeing would be Saal, and that's only because he's not on the level of Thanos or Shuma. It wouldn't just come into a powerlevel wankfest turning into: RICHARDRIDER IS THE MOST STRONGEST CHARACTER EVERRRR!!!

>>85504072
It doesn't have to turn into power levels.
I'm just saying there could be interesting things worth expanding on between them, especially compared to what we got.
Also, it's not hardly nostalgic. Thanos and Nova have almost no notable interactions, and I can't remember anything between Shuma and Rich before Thanos Imperative.

>>85498747
Because he sucks at his job even more than young Richard Rider did?

>>85503734
Miles was carrying the Ultimate universe at the end there.

>>85504377
carrying it right to its grave

>>85503619
Nova Vol 6 is complete trash.

>>85504469
The last issue was the best thing any Nova has been in in years.

>>85504491
Then Nova has been complete shit for years, it completely ignores everything in volume 5 except "muh dad". Sean Ryan tries to make it seem like Sam has been on his own forever even though someone has ALWAYS had his back with the only exception being the Kluh fight, and even then Spider-Man tried to help but couldn't get there fast enough. A "look out for yourself, you're all you got and you'll never be appreciated for the good you do" speech means jack shit when you're not actually all you've got and you DO normally get appreciation for the good you do.

I'm fucking sick of Sean Ryan and his "Sam is all alone" shit, Sam's always had someone, whether it was Beta Ray fucking Bill or just his sister in his Nova helmet.

>>85504491
The only Nova that's existed for 5 years is Sam. Not that impressive for him.

>>85504920
I was going back to Rich's run, that shit with Darkhawk and Sphinx was awful.

>>85504967
True, but the final issue of Vol 4 was really good, and nothing Sam has been in will ever top Thanos Imperative. Not like he was ever going to come close.

>>85498747
When did Jean get a new costume?

>>85498747
So I know the last few Sam Nova issues have been playing up him being a friendless loser no one pays attention too. Was this always the case? It feels more like something that's crept into the comics because of the real world reactions to him.

>>85505137
I genuinely think Sean Ryan came to /co/, saw all people spamming "SUFFAWING", and just ran with it.

>>85505021
It took Rich 34 years to go from his first appearance to Thanos Imperative. Hell, it took nearly as long to go from Annihilation to Thanos Imperative as Sam's even been a character. How can you even say this kind of stuff?

>>85504722
Sam is feeling abandoned by his friends and teammates, just because he's had them in the past doesn't mean that he won't notice their absence now.

>>85505187
He's be in more events that Richard was in his entire 34 years, and none of the come anywhere close to how good Annihilation and Thanos Imperative were.

>>85505137
List of friends/allies Sam has had
>Rocket
>Gamora
>Beta Ray Bill
>Cosmo the Space Dog
>Justice
>Speedball
>Kaine
>Miles Morales
>Kamala Khan
>those X-Kids I can't be bothered to remember the names of

>>85505238
And? They're bad events, but it's not like he made them bad. Events have been getting worse and worse for years, it shouldn't be surprising that newer events are generally going to be worse than older ones.
Not to mention that Sam hasn't been the focus of any of those events like Rich was in Annihilation (he wasn't even really the focus in TI, he just showed up at the end for a cool page with Rich).

My point was, it took Rich a long time for him to get to his apex of coolness, I don't know why everyone is expecting Sam to get there in a fraction of the time.

>>85505224
>Sam is feeling abandoned by his friends and teammates
Sam's a fucking faggot then, his teammates went to fucking space for him to help find his dad, ended up having to risk their lives fighting Annihilus and when they don't show up to help him ONE TIME he goes all "boo hoo I'm so alone"? He can fuck right off if that's how he feels.

>>85505339
You originally said
>The last issue was the best thing any Nova has been in in years.
You have to go back 6 fucking years to find any competition for Sam, and that's where you find Thanos Imperative.
Your point is saying Sam tops Thanos Imperative. Nothing Marvel has made in recent years comes close to topping that, especially not Sam.

>>85505389
Fine, fine. I mistyped, non-event mainline Nova issues. That issue is better than any Nova title that we've seen in years.

>>85505490
I think the finale to Vol 4 is still better.
It's still six years ago. You're having to go back a very long time to find anything another Nova was in. Unless you want to count GotG 18-20.

>>85505387
No one communicates between solo and team books, this isn't surprising.

>>85505548
>It's still six years ago.
Yeah, and Sam has generally had a pretty averagely consistent writing quality during that time. Things weren't terrific, but they weren't awful. This is at least trying to do SOMETHING more than concussions or looking for his dad.
>Unless you want to count GotG 18-20.
Rich was shit in those issues too, as so many people are quick to point out. Or is his mere presence enough for you to say that it's a better issue?

>>85502622
>implying
Keep that shitty kid away from the magnificence that is Dick Rider.

>>85505763
Sam wasn't around 6 years ago. Most of Sam's issues sit around the same quality as the Sphinx arc, except the Loeb issues. Those are really bad.
And, I'm not praising Rich's appearance those issues. Everything about them is complete shit. Yes, Sam's comic has better quality than that.
If you go past the Sphinx arc, Sam is completely blown out.

>>85505905
It's unavoidable. We all knew Sam would be the biggest condition to Richard coming back.
Give it time. He'll be gone soon enough, just look at his track record.