Is there any hope left?

No, and its a shame since 1999-2012 (when Hickman left the Ultimates, which could have been a truly GOAT run) was so fucking good.

Of course! Just fire whoever's running Marvel, editors and most of writers and artists.

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>>85494103
Nope

>>85494103
They shut down the comics business and just let the films do the talking.

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I don't know let me check.

Uh yeah, I think we have some hope we can spare, did you need some DC?

>>85494103
Marvel knock it out of the park with their movies everytime; I don't get why the comics suck so bad.

I used to enjoy reading Marvel but now it has no appeal to me at all; I'm still enjoying DC though. Shame the movies are always "ok" at best.

>>85494103
The inevitable implosion of the capeshit movie industry will teach them humility.

>>85494274
or make them completely bankrupt.

>>85494295
Both?
Both would be good

>>85494371
I still hope that some triggered characterfag will blow up their building.
And all writers survive because they're mailing scripts.

>>85494103
Ewing.

>oh boohoohoo Marvel isn't like my favorite radicool Marvel of the 90's anymore

fuck off you insufferable faggot

>>85495090
Marvel comics are shit right now though

>>85494103
lol no. There gimmicks aren't even working anymore. Captain Nazi sunk like a rock by Issue 3 (behind Aquaman mind you) and Civil War Issue 3 sold MORE than Issue 4...... Issue 4 was the one with the SHOCK! CONTROVERSIAL DEATH ISSUE, Slott, Brevoort, and Quesada can't even blame Rich this time because they're the ones who spoiled the HUGE SHOCKING DEATH themselves topkek

If DC can beat them through Now Reloaded then it will force them into making changes. Only then will there be reason to hope.

>>85494406
>"THIS IS FOR NOVA CORPS!!!!!"
>BOOM

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>>85496546
We can only hope.

>>85496399
Very nearly, but the reasons for their being shit have nothing to do with what /co/ typically froths about.

>>85494234
> I don't get why the comics suck so bad.
Pandering to tumblr and PC crowd. That's why

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Sure there is.

The future isn't written in stone. Marvel's sitting pretty from a money standpoint, so there's no worry that they're going to sink financially.

Tom DeFalco doesn't run things at Marvel anymore and Julius Schwartz doesn't run DC anymore. Eventually some new people will come along and replace Alfonso and then, and maybe they'll have a different way of doing things, and if not them, the next

Personally I'd be more worried about the comics industry itself than any particular company

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>>85496596
>Richard's Fan bombs Marvel

>>85494103
Event written by Claremont in which Cyclops comes back with Phoenix powers and beat the shit out of everyone(X-men, Avengers, Inhumans, Carol, ...) for acting like retards in his absence

>>85496457
>Issue 4 was the one with the SHOCK! CONTROVERSIAL DEATH ISSUE
What happened?

>>85494406
Maybe a little extreme but I do feel some kind of shock might force them to raise their game like their previous bankruptcy did

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>>85494103
Nope... none, the left won

>>85496656
Readers are finally getting tired of the shit like the annual events and relaunches that mean nothing, the incompetent storytelling, and constant pandering to people who don't buy or read comics.

>>85496672
Bullshit. The problems are far deeper set than that.
The issue is that all their big names, the ones driving their universe - Bendis, Slott, etc - are all creatively bankrupt. Shit writers, shit editing, and no talent scouting or increasing their hiring pool.
"Pandering to tumblr" is only bad when it causes bad comics (Kamala Khan and ANGR are pretty universally loved even on here), and you can't blame shit like Slott's Spider-Man or the art in Thunderbolts on pandering. So, yeah, every time people blame the PC brigade for Marvel's problems they are talking out of their asses.

>>85496800
This

>>85496797
I still can't believe this shit is part of their shared universe

>>85496797
stop trying to make "Bomb Queen is a Marvel book!" happen

>>85496797
That's an image comic tho and one that's supposed to be a edgy parody too.

>>85496800
finally someone speaks the truth.

>>85496902
Y'know bomb queen isn't Marvel right?

>>85496748
I seriously doubt they'll ever go bankrupt with Disney.
Unless Disney kek them and continue publishing movies, giving absolutely zero fucks about comics.

>>85496942
Of course. I meant the Image shared universe. That is Wraith from Dynamo 5 over there.

If only they had a bunch of incredibly popular movies to base their characterization on

>>85497046
Hopefully they don't drive all their readers away before the bubble bursts, but it's not looking good right now.

>>85496800
>The problems are far deeper set than that.
I haven't seen you disprove SJW pandering. You only seem to add onto the pandering problems with overall directional problems.

The SJW pandering is a symptom of Marvel's incompetence, true. But that doesn't mean SJW pandering is not a problem. It is a problem.

>>85497046
Movieshit has killed GotG, why would you want more? They are two different universes for a reason.

>>85496800
He's not wrong. Buy also when they do try and bring in new blood it's often webcomic a tier hack.
What they need is a place to nurture new talent without throwing them straight into high profile books and risking the inevitable wrath of angry "fans"

>>85497139
As I said: Kamala Khan as Ms Marvel. Robbie Reyes as Ghost Rider. Amadeus Cho as Hulk. And arguably, Sam Wilson as Captain America.
All of them are beloved of /co/ and Tumblr alike. And the difference between them and the ones /co/ hates is, surprise surprise, they're written well.
"Tumblr pandering" is not the fucking problem, and never has been. The difference is that with badly written "Tumblr" characters, closet /pol/fags have a scapegoat.

>>85497225
That could be a good use for the Infinite comic minis and one-shots, actually. Give some new authors a bit of a playground, see how well they work and how fans and critics respond to them.

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It can only be saved with the power of friendship. Fucking kill me now for actually typing that shit.

>>85494103
Slott, Bendis and Aaron need to fuck off, then maybe. Oh wait you're just hear to talk about conmpany war /tv/shit.

>>85494569
I don't think being reduced to a human Dung Beetle and told you're Sisyphus counts as hope. If Marvel told the likes of Brian they had to go through Ewing first before they fuck up, that would be one thing. Instead Ewing has to clean up after them.

It's like trying to keep a junk yard clean. Doesn't matter how orderly you make it seem there's still trash everywhere and more coming to be dumped in a pile.

>>85497225
If they were smart they'd set up their own program like DC started with their creator workshop.

>>85497279
Naming a handful of pandering characters does not disprove the pandering issue. Just because /co/ may or may not like those characters doesn't mean a goddamn thing. It's still pandering.

>>85497139

Its A problem. But that doesn't mean it is THE problem.

If they had a better creative team with a richer pool of ideas, they would be far less incentivized to stoop to tumblr pandering for content ideas. Its inevitable that it would still happen on some level, but we would likely see far less of it because they wouldn't be scraping the bottom of the barrel.

>>85497279
By the Gods, I agree. The SWJ boogeyman doesn't exists when a character is written well.

>>85497279
>Sam Wilson as Captain America.
>beloved by /co/

>>85497391
The character, not the book. Most people seem to generally like the character and how he's been written, even if they hate "muh social justice the comic".

>>85497130
imagine being a kid and wanting to read a comic with the avengers in.

iron man's replaced by a black girl and some guy in a cape.
there's two captain america's, one is falcon and steve works for the bad guys because a little girl made him
thor doesn't have his hammer, a woman does and she calls herself thor too
hawkeye killed hulk and no one cares and there's a new hulk who's asian

they really need to bring back marvel adventures so there's something that's straight forward for new readers

>>85497366
The point is that pandering is neutral rather than good or bad. The problem are the creators. Even if every book starred a straight white male that SJWs hate they would still mostly be bad because there is not enough talent at the company.

>>85497035
>Image shared universe
Is that still a thing? I thought they went full creator-owned, unrelated series long ago.

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>>85496399
I disagdee, they have a few shit titles, yes, but the good far oit weigh the bad, it's just the only thing from Marvel that /co/ ever wants ro talk about is Hellcat, SG, or Bendis. Which sucks because we could be talking about awesome comics like Moon Knight, Carnage, Hyperion, Squadron Supreme, Spider-Man and Deadpool, and so on. It's great when we do manage to actually talk about comics and not spout out dank meme and shitpost in /tv/ inspired threads.

>>85497757
Objectively speaking, absolutely NONE of the titles you mentioned have any redeeming qualities.
Marvel is worthless SJW pandering garbage and will forever remain so.
I pray for the day the entire comics industry goes under and never comes back.

>>85494103
>Slott still on Spider-Man after all these years

Hope is dead.

>>85496800
/thread

The likes of Bendis and Slott (and their useless sycophantic editors) really need to be gone, or at the very least sequestered off to some corner of the universe where they're not calling the shots on anything meaningful.

>>85497139
>I haven't seen you disprove SJW pandering

Because he wasn't trying to disprove it, retard. He was stating how it's symptomatic of a much larger problem.

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>>85498336
By that same logic no other comic being produced today has any redeeming qualities and the entire comic medium should just die. I think what we're forgetting here is that taste is subjective. Person X xan read Ms Marvel and only see a middle eastern girl ment to pander to the middle east crowd, while Person Y could read Ms Marvel and see a really enjoyable teen hero.

I'm not saying that you are wrong, it's your opinion and you have a right to it, I'm just saying that I disagree.

>>85496800
>(Kamala Khan and ANGR are pretty universally loved even on here),

no..they're not

>>85498336
>Objectively speaking

Barring the phrase "He's basically Golden Age (insert character)" there's no better way to spot a /tv/ faggot than when they use the word "objective".

I'm enjoying Moon Knight, Black Panther, Vision, Ms.Marvel, Spider-man and Deadpool and Thor. Civil War and Captain Marvel suck but I can say that my Marvel pulllist is only second to my Image list.

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>marvels total shit because all they do is pander to sjws and the pc crowd

>>85494103
Axel and Sana aren't immortal so sure.

>>85498761
Nothing in your post contradicts that.
I'll help you out though- all Marvel does is pander to sjws and the pc crowd, DC also does other things, some of which are good.

>>85498945
Maybe i'm an idiot but I don't even know what DC diehards on /co/ even read. I sse shit loads of anti-marvel threads and rebirth story time anon but never people actually talkinf about comics.

>>85499032
They read Batman

>>85499032

It's really all talk in the storytime threads and the occasional threads about something surprising that happened in an issue. There's also Rebirth general threads.

Marvel threads are just "0 days since the last fuck up" at this point. And that used to be DC about 5 years ago.

I'd rather have the films anyway. I'm glad that's their focus.

>>85498522
>By that same logic no other comic being produced today has any redeeming qualities and the entire comic medium should just die.
Exactly what I meant.

>Person X xan read Ms Marvel and only see a middle eastern girl ment to pander to the middle east crowd, while Person Y could read Ms Marvel and see a really enjoyable teen hero.
Person Y would be a braindead moron.

>I'm not saying that you are wrong, it's your opinion and you have a right to it, I'm just saying that I disagree.
I hate it when people call objective undeniable facts "opinions."

>>85499032
That's weird because there's storytimes aplenty for DC material. Even historically messy properties like Red Hood have had great Rebirth relaunches. I know it must be strange for a Marvel fan to envision an entire line of readable comics rather than sifting around all the tumblr pandering for the occasional Vision but that's just how it is.

>>85499500
I read DC but mainly Batman stuff and Green Lantern but that's about it

It's wolverine. They shouldn't have killed him.

>>85498336
>I pray for the day the entire comics industry goes under and never comes back.
Honestly I wouldn't be mad, we have 80 years of comic books and the best years are all behind us

>>85499388
I hope your mother drowned your father and became a lesbian for pumping his defective gentic material into her to produce a child that actually takes a step back in the evolutionary chain. I almost feel sorry for you.

>>85499500

>an entire line of readable comics rather than sifting around all the tumblr pandering for the occasional Vision but that's just how it is.

/co/'s opinions aren't the opinions of everyone!

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>>85500320
>/co/'s opinions aren't the opinions of everyone!
Yes they are. Stop being a retarded contrarian.

>>85499500
New Avengers, Spider-Man/Deadpool, Contest of Champions (RIP), and Ultimates are all good though, I don't know why people act like Vision is the only thing worthwhile to coming from Marvel right now.

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They're dead for the most part. We're really experiencing another 90s, but instead of Extreme shitty 100 pocketed characters we get shitty SJW characters.

>>85494103
Just watch the movies. everyone else here does!

>>85500612
Because it's cool to hate Marvel right now, if people start talking about the good comics they like then people will see though the meme of All of Marlel's comics are bad. I could just as easily say The Island is a shit comic made to force the Gay Agenda down our throats because of that one issue with the furries at the gay pride rally.

>>85500612
>>85500809
A few exceptions don't excuse the majority of wrongdoing.

That said, none of examples you listed are even that exceptional either. You're essentially apologizing for Marvel with a handful of mediocrity.

Civil War 2 has been a PR nightmare. I can't remember the last time there was such a gap in quality between the big two publishers.

>>85500887
Sorry, I disagree, Marvel is producing more good comics than bad ones at the moment, you just appeared to be to focused on what triggers you opposed to what you enjoy. Seek help anon, no one should have to live day by day looking for things to not enjoy.

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>>85500887
Those are all really good though.

>>85500809
But there really is not a lot of good stuff out there. Deadpool's doing alright, Ewing is doing good work, King is doing god's work, and then there's a bunch of mediocre bullshit that would probably not kill you, but is also completely forgettable and then there's an estimated 50% complete and utter bullshit.
Considering the last relaunch had something around 70 fucking comics, this is a really fucking terrible crop.

>>85499832
something i dont like is happening instead of finding new interest i want the whole thing to burn down

>>85500970
>not living your life looking for reasons to be gloriously angry
You're a moron

>>85501130
>bad things should continue to exist
You're another moron

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>>85500970
>Marvel is producing more good comics than bad ones at the moment

Nah, it's just an IP farm for the movie studio now.

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>>85494103
There is always hope.

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Why doesn't Marvel outsource the comics to good indies like Dark Horse or Valiant?

>>85494103
The hope is shit gets so bad that Disney steps in and cleans house. Where it would go from there, who knows?

>>85501757
Marvel are like porn stars, they want to fuck people AND get paid for it.

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>>85497307
>Give some new authors a bit of a playground, see how well they work
That's a good idea; although it doesn't always work out. Example: the Mockingbird one-shot was great, the ongoing by the same author was literally tumblr.

>>85501584
I hate that this is probably true but it's probably true.

>>85501944

>implying that's not cover of the year

Nothing I really like in the movies, even less in the comics. I grew up on the comics. Feels pretty bad desu

Nope, they'll just continue to publish tripe that won't sell well, and the movies will keep them afloat. Marvel NOW(er) needs to the Marvels DCYou

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>>85496800
>>85496800
This.

>>85501997
the artist is DC exclusive now

Marvel on suicide watch

>>85494103
Nope, the foundations been covered in accelerant, and they're just waiting to strike the match the moment maximum capacity is reached.