Is this canon or is it just something for the MAX universe?

>>85463553
Yes it's canon that everybody is Frank.

That his wife is just his clone with a blonde wig?
Just there. Regular Frank loved his family and they were whacked.

Dillon can't draw for shit

I mean if I married myself but in a blonde wig I too would probably bail.

>>85463553
I'm not even sure if this is canon for MAX.

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>>85463580
Take away the eyepatch and this is literally just Frank.

>>85463553
And then mobsters show up and remind him how much he loves his wife, right?

>>85463553
I couldn't even tell that was Frank. All white men with black hair look the same drawn by Dillon.

>>85463663
>those exaggerated perfectly round nips
What's with Dillon and nipples?

>>85463676
For a minute I thought it was Jesse and Tulip

>>85463553
>the MAX universe

The isn't just one single "MAX universe".

>>85463553
Jesus fucking Christ Dillon can't draw shit since preacher how the hell does he still get work?

>>85463553
>Frank... you... you...
DOUBLE NIGGER

i just pretend Aaron's run is non canon

60+ year old MAX Frank just makes me sad. It's like watching an Aerosmith show from this year or something, just depressing to watch

>>85463580

Dillon's artwork for the new punisher series actually shows a lot of improvement

>>85463765
>...Anonymous
>08/14/16(Sun)11:55:16 No.85463765
>i just pretend Aaron's run is non canon
I do to anon it's suck a drop in quality from everything else Matbe if Dillon want on the team but no he stop giving a damn after midpoint in preacher

>>85463697
[citation needed]

>>85463894
no citation needed. Alias is clearly still part of 616, Deadpool MAX is in its own weird continuity, and Punisher MAX doesn't really reference that much outside of its own world iirc. Unless Rawhide Kid somehow links them all together, there's not a "MAX universe" proper. Anon is right.

>>85463815
Hey, Aerosmith still have string... I think

I tried to read Fraction's War Journal stuff, but I'm totally out of the loop with the civil war stuff and Franks constant Captain America dick riding was turning me off as well. Is it worth working my way through even though most of the time I have no idea what's happening or who the characters are

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>>85463703
who knows

max punisher didn't deserve to go out on such a horrible run. fucking god awfull daredevil max book with a punisher skin glued on to it.

fuck aaron.

>but mah zany wacky bullseye

and fuck you too you cunt.

>>85464068
Is God... Nicholas Cage?

>tfw reading Ennis/Dillon Hellblazer
I literally can't stop seeing the Frankface, especially towards the later bits.

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>>85464148
;_;

>>85464265
They literally reused the fifth panel four times with slightly more blood added to it.

>>85464265
Did he died?

>>85464265
>those panels
Did Bendis write this?

>>85464294
That's literally the whole point.
There are times to complain about reused panels, but that definitely isn't one of them

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>>85463553

>that face

>>85464294
He's dead. What's he going to do, move?

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>>85464296
Yes

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>entire city of new york becomes a play ground of vigilantism and domestic terrorism

Th-Thanks Frank

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What did he mean by this?

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>>85464375
Yes

>>85464418
I like the guy who didn't have a skull so just used the ghostface mask and was like "eh close enough"

>>85464413
no

>>85464481
Yes

>>85464505
Bendis?

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>>85464522
No, Maybe, Possibly, Probably, Most likely, yes.

>>85464456
Favorite punisher run. Best part about the shitty dark reign era

>>85464456
Franken-Castle was based.

>>85464674
>>85464773
Anyone want to storytime a part of it?

It looks so stupid to me

>>85463874
>>85463765
What was so wrong about aaron's Punisher? I mean, I liked it quite a lot compared it to his other work

>>85464773
Franken Castle and Doctor Vampire. Great Stuff.

>>85464840
If >>85464418 is meant to be some sort of good end to The Punisher or meant to be something Frank would have liked, then it's total bullshit. New York is gonna get burned to the ground in the name of Castle, he wouldn't have liked that I dont think

>>85463846
>improvement
It's not that Dillon can't into art. He's talented, he just stopped giving a shit for the longest time.
Glad he's starting to.

>>85463580
He stopped putting effort into it after Preacher.

>>85463573
at the risk of being frank, that's not true

>>85463703
He still gets work because he's "the Preacher artist". That's literally it.

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>>85464964
If by after, you mean during, then yes you're right. The first issue is the best art Dillon ever drew and the quality starts to drop within the next 10 issues and never peaks this high for 60 more issues

>>85465055
If it weren't for Jesse, I'd be hard pressed to say that was Dillon.

>>85465055
>comic by Steve Dillon where everybody has different face
I forgot such a thing exists

>>85464418
A bunch of assholes trying the whole vigilante shit not realizing Frank was probably the only human being on the planet who could do what he did on a daily basis

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>>85465055
44 issues later...

>>85465114
It's a damn shame he stopped giving a fuck what artist peaks In The fucking 90s

>>85465156
To be fair, the colourist did a total shit job.

>>85465169
a bit of this
They should sue those hacks for fucking gradient coloring

>>85465055
>>85465156
Holy hell does that get bad sure the newer colorist is shit but damn did this get bad

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>>85465266
It's not even his worse.
The prisoners still don't have Frankitis yet.

Dillon does devolve to the point where every one is Frank. Literally everyone.

>>85465680
What's the actual page for this?

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>>85465787

>>85465055
Is that the last time he's ever drawn a concave nose bridge?

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Remember how in Preacher there was an overwhelming amount of casual gay rape? I sure do

>>85465816
>>85465680
Of fuck I thought they were soldiers in the edit but they're aliens with the Frankface lmao

>>85466393
>...Do you like Italian?

>>85466393
Ennis is an edgy man

>>85466622
>An entire plotline dedicated to Bill Hicks worship

youre goddamn right he's edgy

>>85463650
Nah, he was just looking for an excuse to be Frank. And frankly, having your family gunned down by the mob is good excuse to be Frank.

>>85463894
Did you not notice the titles? Supreme Power/Squadron Supreme is a MAX comic yet there's no way in hell that could take place in the world of Ennis' Punisher.

And as >>85463969 pointed out, Alias is obviously part of 616, and Deadpool MAX takes place in its own continuity that wouldn't fit in with Punisher or Squadron Supreme.

Austen's War Machine comics take place in a world with some superheroes but can't fit in Ennis Punisher (too many superheroes running around) or 616 (Bucky became Captain America during WWII, Tony Stark built the War Machine armors before building the Iron Man armor)

>>85466506
...FUCK ME HARD AND CALL ME EVA!!

>>85463553
I read that last panel as
>Frank you!

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>>85466967
>Frank you, you franking frank!

>>85463580
He can draw Frank.
And by God, he will.

>>85466702
Max line is basically marvels adult elseworlds taking place on their own separate continuities probably until they where all destroyed in Secret wars

>>85465816
I prefer the frank faces to that horror

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>>85463553
FRAAAAAAAAANK

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>>85466393
Ennis sure does love it when male characters get raped and/or molested. Heck, it was an entire plot point in The Boys.

>>85464265
Are the bullet holes supposed to be forming a skull because that's what I'm seeing

>>85463553
>>85463578
>>85463618
>>85463765

Aaron's Punisher is an alternate universe version of Ennis' Punisher universe; Ennis' Punisher was born in 1950 (see: The Tyger), Aaron's Punisher was born in 1947. Aaron's Punisher also killed everyone involved with the murder of the Castles early in his career, which goes against The Cell (the narration implied it took place after the 90's).

And then Punisher: The End also couldn't happen in the universe of Aaron's Punisher.

So with all that you can imagine that the retcon on OP's page only happened with Aaron's and not Ennis'.

>>85467155
Or get their cocks cut off or eaten or stabbed or whatever, not exclusive to gay characters mind you, just something that he does a lot

>>85466808
>You're a sick woman.
>I like it like this.

>>85465351
>>Dillon does devolve to the point where every one is Frank. Literally everyone.

Are there any known artists that's a reverse Dillon? Everyone is sameface but gradually gets their own as the artist improves?

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>>85463697
>>85463894
>>85463969
>>85466702
>>85467091

I made a guide because this topic pops up a lot.

In the Hannibal tv-series there is a girl who for some reason can't see faces, maybe Dillon got something similar where he can only see Frank faces

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>>85468520

>>85468502
How many series are good or at least punisher max quality?

>>85468970

I dunno, there's one of those "/co/ Recommended" charts, but I don't remember it having much on it (which I suppose isn't a good sign...)

https://www.mediafire.com/folder/toyyt2pfeu244/Marvel_MAX

Aaron's run is okay in a grind house feature kind of way. Bullseye was the highlight of the whole run. Elektra and Vanessa's lesbians liason came out of nowhere. The climax with Fisk was dumb as fuck, and turned Frank's plot armor way too high.

>>85468970
From that list? If you like Ennis' Punisher then Fury: My War Gone By is also good for a look.

If you liked Steve Gerber's Howard the Duck, then the MAX series is an alright sequel. If you liked Doug Moench's Master of Kung-Fu then the MAX mini is a good follow-up to his stories.

JMS' Supreme Power/Squadron Supreme is all right.

>>85465680
>little Frank faces on the knives
Gets me every time.

How come Frank worked under the max line, but Blade didn't? There's a lot you can do with Vamps.

>>85469653

Blade just seems to have trouble sustaining any kind of series in general for very long.

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>>85463573
We're all franks down here.

>>85464265

Do not fall in New York City.

>>85469653
Blade has trouble sustaining any kind of ongoing series and always has.

Hell, he was originally just a supporting character in Dracula's book, so it might be that they just need to do that again- have a villain led book with Blade as the hero-antagonist.

>>85470996
>Blade has trouble sustaining any kind of ongoing series and always has.
Probably because the basic premise runs out of steam pretty quick.

Blade and Punisher are pretty close in motives, but Blade's bad guys can only really be vampires.
Punisher has such a wide variety of antagonists to work with.

It's no wonder that Blade doesn't sustain as long.

>>85464361
>you're frank to frank with the frank who franked the frank

>>85471176
Frank's thing is generally some variety of criminal,from paramilitary type stuff, to some crime outfit. There's a lot that can be done with vampires imo, from Vampire mafia, to even oh so spooky and ancient evil stuff, and a lot more.

>>85471325
>There's a lot that can be done with vampires imo, from Vampire mafia, to even oh so spooky and ancient evil stuff, and a lot more.
But they're just vampires in different hats.
They all still suck blood. They still get staked and die.

It's just not as constantly fresh as other material.

>>85470837

I did once when I was drunk. My backpack got stolen.

>>85471388
It must be my mind. I get it, but I still see untapped potential. Admittedly there's a lot more you can do with "criminal," which covers a lot in comparison to "vampire. " The Punisher can be written to hunt down the occasional vamp or werewolf, Blade can't really be written to deal with human trafficking unless it involves blood harvesting.

>>85471652
>Blade can't really be written to deal with human trafficking unless it involves blood harvesting.

There's a great joke in Venture Bros.about this

>>85471701
What was it? Right now I can't help but imagine "Slavers, " with Blade as the lead. I like to think he would drop the Vampire gimmick and act. Human traffickers might as well be vampires. I keep thinking of ways to turn some Ennis Max plots into potential Blade ones.

>>85470812
No one dies a virgin, life Franks us all.

>>85472013
>What was it?
There's a Blade parody character who is part of a magical team and he constantly asserts that he only knows how to kill vampires and that if vampires aren't involved, why do they keep calling him.

I tried looking on YouTube for it for but nothing shoed up.
Venture Bros is a funny show, though. I recommend it.

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Whatever happened to Frank being a Frankenstein's Monster thingy?

>>85472146
He got better.

>>85472146
Bloodstone regenerated him.

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>>85465055
>>85465156
>>85465266
Here's some comparative tracking of Dillon's art over the course of Preacher's run.

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>>85472244

>>85472260

His backgrounds fucking suck too. He draws the least amount of detail possible.

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>>85472244
Is 1996 when Dillon first went Full Frank?

FRANK YOU

>>85474312

No, FRANK you!

>>85474702
My frank, by the frank, is Frank. But you can frank me Frank the Frank Franker. Has a frank frank to it, don't you frank?

>>85475506
shut the frank up

>>85472127
Like, not even all vampires. Exclusively blaculas (black vampires). His only abilities are being able to sense them and being pretty good with swords (and also being "between worlds", but that doesn't come up much). So when the Alchemist and Doctor Orpheus are casting detection spells or deciphering ancient manuscripts, Jefferson is going "I'll go check if there are any blaculas around here. ...Nope, still no blaculas."

>>85476305
Jefferson is by far the best character in the Order of the Triad.
Well, maybe tied for Orpheus.

>>85465351
I thought that was Frank Drax until I saw filename.

>>85471652
>Blade can't really be written to deal with human trafficking unless it involves blood harvesting.

Why not?
Why can't Vampires be criminals who just happen to drink blood? Why can't there be a fairly generic Mafia family that just happens to also kill their enemies by drinking their blood?
Why can't a streetgang be the Bloods because they're vampires, but they still mostly care about dealing drugs?

>>85464840
It's just not as good as the original MAX really. It has some good parts like Bullseye but it just pales in comparison to the really fantastic arcs of the first volume. Dillion's art also doesn't help matters.

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>>85463553
>>85463573
>>85463618
>>85463697
>>85463765
CANON Mon!

>>85463553

Why in gods name would someone think this kind of plot development was a good idea?

>>85481121

The point was something happened to Frank in Vietnam that changed him, not the event of his family getting killed, which just filled him full of self-loathing because he was about to "throw away" his change at having a family anyway before losing them for real. By the time he got back to the US he was already FRANK.

At least that's what I got from it.

>>85481121
yeah, it just completely defeats the sole reason...

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Why the fuck did they give Punisher 2016 to Dillon?!

>>85484384
I really enjoyed the LA Punisher art dillon just bums me the fuck out

>>85484465
Same. It was so much better looking even if half of it was traced over Punished Frank.

>>85463703
>how the hell does he still get work
he turns it in on time and by all accounts he's friendly and easy to get along with

if you think comic book art editors care about anything else think again

>>85465114
>I forgot such a thing exists
When he was still working on 2000AD that was standard for him. Working for US cape books turned him lazy.

>>85464160

Who else would it be?

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>>85480964
You don't see Baracuda's hands, maybe Aaron's Punisher MAX is the universe where the Punisher/Eminem crossover happened.

>>85486612
I haven't read this shit in ages.
Storytime?

>>85464296

Yeah, for all it's many faults, Aaron MAX has a place of honor on my bookshelf. I really enjoyed it.

>>85486612
doesn't he die at the end of the sarah arc?

>>85487585
Sure, he does. But also note that in the Eminem crossover, he loses his fingers on his left hand. In the Ennis Punisher MAX, Barracuda, lost his fingers on his right.

Maybe I might've missed something but the only reference to Barracuda in Aaron's run is just >>85480964 and one of the bosses in the first issue, and I don't think they mention Dynaco (crucial to the first Barracuda arc). Since you also don't see Barracuda's hands in that picture, you can probably imagine that the Eminem crossover happened instead of Ennis' first Barracuda story.

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>>85487672

Though if that is the case, then you have to wonder how he seemingly survived what looks to be being eviscerated/sliced in half with the chainsaw.

>>85472013

Yeah, I could see that:

* In the Beginning: Blade massacres a fuckton of vamps, then gets captured by an unscrupulous group that tries to force him to join it while the desperate vamps resort to a nasty, pariah-ed one.
* Kitchen Irish: An ancient vamp dies, and leaves his hated disciples clues to something. An old ally of Blade alerts him to this, and they set off to deal with it.
* Mother Russia: A quisling created a bioweapon for the vamps, but then sold them out. Blade agrees to infiltrate the vamp stronghold, where the weapon is currently gestating in a little girl.

Etc.

>>85482783

It implies that Frank's family was not in fact "the sole reason" he went on his crusade, and that he does it because he actually just wants a war he can fight forever.

It's a controversial interpretation for sure, but it doesn't rob Frank of his entire motivation.

>>85476210
What the frank did you just franking say about me, you little frank? I’ll have you frank I franked top of my frank in the Navy Franks, and I’ve been involved in numerous frank franks on Al-Franka, and I have over 300 confirmed franks. I am franked in frank warfrank and I’m the top frank in the entire US franked franks. You are nothing to me but just another frank. I will frank you the frank out with frank the franks of which has never been franked before on this Frank, mark my franking franks. You frank you can frank away with franking that frank to me over the Franknet? Think again, franker. As we frank I am franking my secret frankk of franks across the FRANK and your frank is being franked right now so you better frank for the frank, frank. The frank that franks out the frank little frank you call your frank. You’re franking frank, frank. I can be anyfrank, anyfrank, and I can frank you in over frank hundred franks, and that’s just with my frank franks. Not only am I frankly franked in unfranked frank, but I have access to the entire frank of the Franked Franks Frank Franks and I will frank it to its full frank to frank your frank frank off the frank of the frank, you little frank. If only you could have franked what unfrank frank your little “frank” frank was about to frank down upon you, maybe you would have held your franking frank. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re franking the frank, you frankdamn frank. I will frank frank all over you and you will frank in it. You’re franking frank, franko.

>>85490824
>Al-Franka
:))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

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>>85464294

>I have no fucking clue of how proper sequential storytelling works but I'm rolling on with the Bendis meme either way

>>85472146
this by Capullo?

>>85463553
So Jesse and Tulip changed their names after all that shit went down?

>>85463553
>Mainstream comics.
>Consistent continuity.

>>85465680
My fucking sides

>>85489146
For the same reason Elektra, Fisk, and Castle survived as long as they did in Aaron's final arc despite their heavy injuries.

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>>85464265
I kinda want the blood to flow farther and the next panel being a wide shot of it spelling out FRANK

>>85491222

Tony Moore, I think.

>>85486612
I have never read this.
How good is it?

>>85480964
I wish we could get more of a look at Frank's life before he became The Punisher.

>>85478399
Frank/Blade Marvel Team up when?

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>>85499356