Why don't they just remake G1 Transformers?

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>>85435380
>G1 movie is still the absolute best thing the franchise has ever produced, and probably the most beloved by fans, so I have no idea why no attempt has ever been done to do a series like it again.
Keep telling yourself that.

>>85435380
But they have done it. There's a new show, Combiner Wars, set in the same universe! It's explicitly targeted at G1 fans. You should check it out.

>>85435534
I mean an actual remake starting from the beginning, with the autobots and Decepticons coming to Earth for the first time and all.

>>85435480
You're just mad because everyone who's come into the fandom since 2007 sees beast wars as a weird 90's oddity with an ugly, overrated cGI cartoon that's aged poorly. At this point Beast Wars is to the fandom as all those 90's replacement heroes in comics, or all those dated redesigns like mullet Superman or everyone wearing leather jackets.

>>85435587
Oh, you want a reboot where the Autobots and Decepticons come to Earth in the past and wake up years later to continue their war? Yeah, they did that too, it was called Transformers Animated.

>>85435534
It's basically the same as the comics, and those are shit.

>>85435731
>It's basically the same as the comics.
And that's proof that you've never even read them.

Everything's technically a remake of G1 transformers.

Transformers Animated was basically Teen Titans, so they should make a campy transformers show like Batman BATB.

>>85435785
Except for Transformers Vs GI Joe. That was an acid trip on lsd.

>>85435785
This. Almost every cartoon is fucking based off of G1.

>>85435674
>>85435785
>>85435930

Except all of those completely change up the characters personalities, designs, and so on. They may have the basic storyline, but its not G1. Then you wonder why the movies veer off into such nonsense when they can't even do it right in their own show.

>>85435380
>G1 movie is still the absolute best thing the franchise has ever produced
Most IDW comics are better

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>>85436407

>>85436345
So what you want is the exact thing, only again and again forever?

>>85436486
No I just want it once, instead of a bunch of half added measures. Is that so bad? Asking for a franchise to actually have a faithful remake?

>>85436345
Then you want Simon Furman's reboot comics - Infiltration, Stormbringer, Escalation, etc. They use the G1 characters in a new setting.
Or am I right in thinking that what you want is "the G1 cartoon again, exactly the same in every single way, but better somehow"?

>>85436422
Stay mad, cartoonfag.

>>85436510
Just seems kind of pointless.

>>85436407
This.
Getting into this franchise only last year and watching/reading basically everything it had to offer with the exception of IDW Beast Wars, i'm entirely convinced that the intense adoration people have for G1 is due to nostalgia and nothing more. I assume it was a good show for its time and the G1 movie was fun but to say it's the best thing when we have series with actual character development and thickening plots? Nah.

>>85436524
I want something animated. basically, I want what Gi Joe got in Resolute(but as a full series), or what MoTU got in 2k2. I guess most of you guys grew up with the later stuff which is why you all seem so cheeky about this.

>>85436667
Resolute wasn't very good though.

>>85436667
>complains about other remakes changing characters
>wants something like Resolute and 2002 He-Man
Resolute was shit fyi

>>85436734
Compared to Armada, animated, Prime,and all that? Yeah,those where way, way more faithful to their origins.

>>85436667
In that case, you should probably read All Hail Megatron. Even if it isn't animated, it's essentially a Transformers version of Resolute.

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>>85435380
>Why don't they just remake G1 Transformers
They do that CONSTANTLY
They do that ALL THE TIME
All the comics are G1. The games are G1. The combiner wars miniseries is G1. We've reached a point where the main toyline is the G1 recreations and the new cartoons and movies are the side lines. I'm not complaining, much of it is some of the best stuff the franchise has ever offered, or at least far from the worst, but come on OP.

>>85436776
>Giant space robots fighting a war against each other roughly divided into civilian and military alternative modes come to Earth where they make pals with humans and fight over plot devices.
They are all the same thing.

>>85436345
>>85436510

If you don't constantly reinvent yourself you're going to get stale.

I swear I started a thread on TFW a few years ago asking why the fuck IDW G1 counts as G1 when it's just as different as say animated or A/E/C

>>85436792
>In that case, you should probably read All Hail Megatron.
Can someone please storytime that? AHM was such a hilarious mess.

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>>85436899
We haven't had fucking Blaster in a cartoon for decades! So many of the classic characters that where memorable inG1 have either been absent from animated series, or are so different they barely resemble the original(Bumblebee)

And yes, I have read the comics, but they don't make a splash compared to what an animated series would be. Have any of the cartoons done well in the last couple decades? they all seem to get tossed off in dead timeslots. Have any of them produced the same nostalgia the G1 movie made? Besides maaaybe animated?

>>85436954
The original comic and cartoon being wildly different makes it easy to be very different on an axis like bothering with stealth and being in disguise and still in the range of those.

>>85435534
Is that what that is? Thanks anon I may check that out.

>>85435674
Animated was pretty cool.

Too bad it's over and done for years.

>>85437046
Blaster is just red Jazz when you strip away his superior comic incarnation's action hero personality and history with the oppressed such as Scrounge.

>>85436954
because IDW clearly started as a G1 remake, even if its veered off to something different. becoming different now doesn't mean it didn't start off as G1 or is is rooted in G1.

If you look at what the American or Japanese G1 continuities became( Pretenders, Micromasters, Actionmasters, and Transectors/piloted mecha and basically Braves respectively, then eventually beast Wars) both ended up pretty different from how they started off.

>>85436667
>Resolute

You mean Steve Blum: The Animated Series?

>>85437046
>NOSTALGIA IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING!
Kill yourself.

Also, like the other anon said, cartoon Blaster was just a Jazz clone and inferior to how Budiansky wrote him in the comics.

>>85437055
He was just screwing around, anon.
That show is horrendous and each episode is only 5 minutes long.

You fuckers deserve the Bay movies and all the forgettable new cartoons you'll forget as soon as the new one drops.

>>85436954
Nah. Prior to Dark Cybertron, all the characters' designs and personalities were heavily rooted in their G1 ones, apart from a few OCs like Drift and Rung.

>>85437222
>Robots in Disguise is also episodic random bullshit
>They don't like it because they didn't grow up with it

>>85437222
>People don't agree with your delusional, nostalgic belief that the G1 cartoon is better than anything else in Transformers
>W-WELL YOU FAGGOTS DESERVE BAY MOVIES

>>85437151
Well excuse me for wanting my Transformers cartoons to have Transformers characters.

Oh hey lets make a Batman series but now instead of him wearing his costume he has a motorcycle helmet and a brown costume and instead of Robin and Alfred there's a magic alien dwarf and robot droid. Gotta keep things fresh and new! EVERYTHING MUST BE REEDUN

>>85437232
>Nah. Prior to Dark Cybertron, all the characters' designs and personalities were heavily rooted in their G1 ones, apart from a few OCs like Drift and Rung.
>Prior to Dark Cybertron
I don't remember Prowl being a manipulative prick nor Arcee being a blood thirsty killing machine.

>>85437406
>Prowl whining to Optimus Prime that he needs to make the Combiners with the Matrix of Creation so that they can just crush the Decepticons despite that being a major violation of Optimus Prime's beliefs of ones made only for warfare.

>>85437458
Prowl was a mistake.

>>85437375
That's a horrible analogy. Optimus Prime and Megatron are the main character, not Blaster, and every single cartoon has been about Optimus Prime and Megatron and their war which is the same premise that G1 had.

I get that you want to see other characters but most TF cartoons don't stray far from the G1 formula. Not as much as you're implying anyway.

>>85437406
And I don't remember Blaster being a fun-loving happy guy or Grimlock being a drooling idiot in the Marvel comics, and yet they count as G1.
'Sides, IDW Arcee is shit and exists mostly because Furman hates women, but Prowl is still rooted in the idea of him being more logical than the other Autobots and hating their emotional hero-fuckery.

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>>85435647
Both series have some serious issues in quality.
Season 1 of BW was awful and season 2 of G1 had both the worse animation and episodes of the series. In still frame most look fine but in motion it was very bad most episodes.

>>85437542
>IDW Arcee is shit
I actually like IDW Arcee because she's slowly developing into a better person. Slowly, but growing nonetheless.

>>85437701
I like IDW Arcee because she is hot and fights well

>>85437754
Well, there's technically never a wrong reason to like a character. To each their own.

Yo how about some Beast wars love?

>>85437897
"Beast Wars was a mistake."
-John Warden

>>85437946
>Beast Machines was a mistake

Fixed that for you.

>>85437897
I think Beast wars needs a reboot.
That old CG is a total turn off for newcomers.

>>85438007
Being shit doesn't help either.

>>85437232
Soundwave was a greedy bitch

Wheelies was a hardcore survivor

Blurr was just a guy

Perceptior was a cold sniper

And forth max was a hard ass prision warden

>>85438030
As opposed to what?

Beast Machines?
Robots in Disguise?
The Unicron Trilogy?

There is nothing worthwhile, story and character wise, in the G1 series. It was objectively badly written and it's popularity came only from the very concept, which is what Hasbro always uses to base the new product on, the core concept, because that is all it ever needed.

They understand that, you, a human being older than 15 that SHOULD have a cultural backbone worth shit, should also know that.

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So, who's best Starscream and why is it Prime Starscream?

>>85435480
Go home Bay.

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>>85438223
SILENCE YOU FOOL!

>>85438030
How was it shit? The plot and characters were actually pretty good.

>>85438384
I love Beast Wars, but it has some issues

-They had no budget for backgrounds, so those are an eyesore

-The animation can get pretty "off" at times, though not nearly enough to call it in desperate need of a fix

-It feels a lot shorter when you rewatch it, things were rushed pretty quick in season 3 especially.

-The whole Vok plot never really went anywhere.

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>>85438291
No, shut up.

>>85438468
Prime Starscream was a glorified lapdog

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>>85438223
>>85438291
>>85438468
>pre-2007 movie, find out Charlie Adler will voice Starscream

"Holy fuck that's PERFECT Casting!"

>He doesn't do or say anything memorable, isn't funny even once

What a horrible waste of potential.

>>85438436
Yeah the CGI aged like milk but it's still barely passible.

Yeah the Vok were just there to help sell the its really Earth in the past but as strange as they were actually doing something with them would have likely been a mistake because explaining an unknowable horrible alien monster is often a mistake.

>>85438559
your mom is a glorified lapdog

>>85435380
>Its strange to me because transformers seems to be the only franchise where all the updates just take the basic idea and a few characters then completely add new ones in all their remakes.
I know, weird, right? It's almost like Transformers was keeping its cast fresh by constantly rotating in new characters so it doesn't keep rehashing the same identical stories over and over!

The fact Transformers refuses to do a straight-out reboot must be why it's the least successful 80's kids franchise.

>>85438640
My mom crushes the laps of those she sits on like a good Decepticon Warrior. Prime Starscream just whines and wants head pats.

>>85438063
>Soundwave was a greedy bitch
Literally when?

>>85438612
>Yeah the CGI aged like milk but it's still barely passible.

It's not so much it aged poorly as it had issues from the getgo.

The backgrounds are ridiculously low quality. There were lots of "mistakes" within the animation itself. (The S1 Episode where Primal gets a parasite and goes bonkers, the animation noticeably breaks when Cheetor is "administering" the cure, for example) and often times entire parts of a model would disappear or fail to fully render.

Personally I liked the character models, they had a real charm to them, until Beast Machines happened.

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>>85438223
Did Prime Starscream get a shitton of edgy Linkin Park AMVs?

>>85438782
This. Even at the time it was produced Beast Wars graphics were sub-par. They had to cut curners in order to create the scope of the series they wanted, as opposed to everything being set in one well-modeled valley.

>>85438723
Spotlight soundwave

>>85438837
It was still leaps and bounds over every other CG TV show at the time other than it's sister series Reboot.

>>85438895
I wasnt' trashing it. I was merely noting that even in 1996, the lack of basic things like shadows stood out, and the procedural caustics textures were awful.

>>85438847
Oh right.
I'm pretty sure they retconned that to hell and back seeing how he's an idealistic bleeding heart now and apparently always had been.

Everyone knows the only good TF fictions were the '86 movie, late marvel/marvelUK comics, beast wars seasons 2 and 3, WFC and maybe the second half of armada if you could make it that far.

>>85439185
>the only good
Opinion disregarded.

>>85438969
I don't recall any 1996 CGI series having shadows, or textures that weren't ass. Do you know of any?

>>85439615
Toy Story

>>85439639
That was a movie.

>>85438223
>When you're the most competent and successful iteration of your character but the writers decide to stick you in comic relief.
Being Prime-Starscream is suffering.

>>85440201
Those with strength should lead. He gets knocked around by everyone and considers getting the kill on an already bound and severely busted up prisoner the highlight of his career to the point he gets touchy when others forget that.

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G1 fags get BTFO. Thhhhis is now a Wwwwwaspinator thread!

>>85438436
>>85438837

Every good thing Wars had was ruined by Machines

The characters especially.

You know I dont understand? They give Rhinox a choice to stay a veicon yet they straight up killed Jetstorm to get silverbolt back.


and Jetstorm was the best part about the show

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FT-LJ6W6qcQ

>>85440449
I really hate when Beast Wars breaks the 4th wall.

>Why don't they just remake G1 Transformers?
Because it was overcasted, poorly animated, blandly designed, badly written, and only nostalgic nerds would be the market.

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>>85440449

I like how a comic actually made her design look cute

>>85440547
Jetstorm, Tankor, and Thrust shoud not have been existing characters to begin with devil summoner. Even in the past where characters became new ones like in the movie they never looked back.

>>85440644

Even more why would Rhinox agree with Megatron? Aside from the fart jokes I was pretty sure Rhinox hated megatrons guts.

Then you had Optimus "Drink the Energon" Primal with his fucking oracle shit. Rattrap turned into a full on coward and Cheetor was just a big bitch

>>85435776
I started reading the comics with Infiltration issue #0. I read all the way up to Megatron taking a railgun round right to the face, that was so powerful it incapacitated the Decepticons around him. He walked away without a scratch, fought his way out of Omega Supreme, then punched the avatar of an elder got in the fucking balls, and walked away.

Fuck that whole story line for pulling some bullshit like that over and over again.

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I was never really a huge decepticon fag.


but why was Predacon megatron so fucking good?

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>>85440641
Wwwaspinator sad now.

>>85440547
I don't remember Beast Machines looking this much like a late ps1/early ps2 game.

>>85438223
Prime Starscream should be best Starscream but for some reason they ended up making him too pitiful.

It's kind of why I like IDW Starscream, for the time being.

>>85440835

Waspinator


had a hard life

>>85435380
Have their been any notable Transformers comedy series?

I wouldn't mind seeing a BBATB take on it. They'd have a lot of material.

>>85441321

I dunno man Transformers shows themselves have alot of jokes and shit.

G1 has some comedy gold from Swindle selling his entire team to some oil baron or that one autobot who got a girlfriend

>>85435380
They have been remaking G1 since the beginning. All we ever get is muh G1

>>85440641
Pics or it didn't happen.

>>85440641
That was just Prime Arcee in Transmutate's colors, though.

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>>85441697
>>85441740

Transmutate a cute!

>>85441776
That hardly looks like a defective and dying robotic abomination. But I guess its hard to make that cute.

>>85441834
My BW knowledge is rusty, but wasn't the stasis pod damaged, thus rendering her an ugly tard?

>>85441877
Something like that, but it was more that she hadn't formed yet so she came out with some incredible birth defects.

>>85440641
>>85441834

Wasnt her entire thing basically that her protoform was so fucked that it made her ugly,retarded, and super unstable? Combine the fact she also apparently had both Predacon and Maximal parts it was a recipe for disaster.

What I find strange of all the Predacons fucking Rampage was the one who befriends her I guess being protoform abortions makes you closer to each other

>>85441942
Rampage saw himself in her while the rest of them couldn't get passed the whole dying, ugly retard.

>>85441349
I was thinking more sort of a self-parody series, or just flat out comedy.

Most long running properties seem to get them eventually.

>>85441255
>It's kind of why I like IDW Starscream, for the time being.
That's because IDW Starscream is an incarnation who schemed well, fought back, got everything he ever wanted for the longrun (as in, Megs isn't going to come back and ruin everything for him two days later), and is now realizing that it's not as great as he thought it would be. The sad part is that Screamers ego won't allow him to admit that being a ruler is pretty awful and that he should step down.

>>85441776
That's just TFP Arcee. And the biggest butterfly on Earth.

>>85435776
Not him, but where should I go to read 'em? I remember there was a Mega folder a while ago but I don't know if that's still being updated, and even if it were I don't have the link

>>85440746
In all fairness, you're talking about comics from almost 10 years ago (maybe 8-9?). You should check out the newer runs. They are pretty sweet. Infiltration was rather weak sauce. You should look at the current runs starting at their #1's, they are currently on 55.

>>85442164
That's no butterfly.

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>>85442059

With this talk of comedy and beast wars I remember the comic Transformer legends where Airazor and Nightscream were hired as office ladies for the maximals and rat trap kept hitting on them.


The japs have this strange fascination of making nightscream a twink

>>85440803
Becuase he had actual plans with real thought put into them other than "Im going to build a BIG fucking gun!!". Dont get me wrong, there were a few episodes like that... but the whole time traveling thing was just great. I can never decide if the end of season 2 or 3 were the best. Both are amazing and each is Megatron being a total bad ass.

>>85441776
So what role does Transmute have in the comics?
I mean those wheels mean she clearly doesn't have a beast mode and she also doesn't look like a practical argument for abortion rights.

>>85442196
It's a space station.

>>85442182
Most will tell you to purchase them on Comixology but honestly, just be cheap as fuck and read them on readcomiconline.to
They have everything there.

>>85442245
In Funpub's Beast Wars Rising setting, she is an irregularity being that has mental defects instead of physical ones that make her bond to other lifeforms among other things. Ended up hanging out with Rampage in exile.

>>85442245

Beast Wars has a weird place in the comics.

If I recall that comic was about if the Beast Wars was taking place on cybertron and the Autobots/Decepticons made the maximals and predacons to just continue the war.

Transmutate this time was a maximal and basically autistic the others gave her the name of Transmutate becasue she was that fucking retarded they just didnt care for her though Rampage still had her back

>>85442182
https://mega.nz/#F!Ax4nUCCT!_5vN--HYA1R6ahJUNcx-wQ

Best Transtech fembots?

Black Arachnia?

Airazor?

Transmuatate?

Would we count the plant bitch?

>>85442182
https://mega.nz/#F!Ax4nUCCT!_5vN--HYA1R6ahJUNcx-wQ
Bada bing bada boom.

>>85442059
Closest to that would be Animated, probably. I'd totally be down for a MOTW BATB-style comedy, though.

>>85441942
>all the Predacons fucking Rampage
Kinky.

>>85442506
So just a series of the cheesy moments of G1?

>>85442226
Uh, it's season 2, bro. The end of season 3 is Simon Furman bullshit.

>>85436649
The G1 comics (especially UK) were great though.

>>85442436
>Transtech
You are using that word wrong

And Airazor is a boy in most things.

>>85442645
With a bit more of a sense of good-natured irony, yeah.

>>85437458
Thats taken from the G1 comics where Prowl did just that.

>>85440201
>Being Prime-Starscream is suffering.

* Being a fangirls' favorite is suffering

fixed.

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>>85442214
Cheetor is the twink tho.

>>85443031

DONT TELL SILVERBOLT KIDS

Id say Beast Wars organic modeling was off.

When almost everyone got trans metal bodies id say they looked a bit better

>>85442292
>I have a right to steal what I want!

How about you fuck off?

>>85442966
Oh I'm aware.
I probably should have specified the G1 Cartoon because the Marvel comics were great.

>>85443191
Most people on these threads just go straight to the Mega rather than purchasing which is basically the exact same thing.

Very true, the 80s anime art style looks infinitely better than the buy eyed cartoon cartoon looking crap new series that comes out every other year. Same applies to the new Thundercats show

>>85442645
>>85443000
Could also pillage some of the more obscure Transformers material to homage.

>>85443023
I got the impression that fangirls hated it and cried "abuse"?
I didn't watch till after it finished airing though.

>>85444583
Meh. Usually when they do that it overwhelms the everything else. Better to just reference when it makes sense to the plot.

>>85444642
>tumblr
>hating abuse in their OTP

>>85444642

They found his uselessness cute, and the writers just... went crazy with it. The complaining about the "abuse" came afterwards, mostly in relation to the M/SS ship.

>>85444583
>>85444649

>Entire episode dedicated to Gobots and other franchises

It could work but I dont really know

>>85444733
Oh no, no.
No, now they've realised abuse is bad.
Especially if it's a ship they don't like, or one that competes with theirs. Ships that are bad are abusive and if you like it you are an abuser.

>>85444830
Why not just make a new Go-Bots at that point?
Because Go-Bots are not liked since was enemy line at original time even if Hasbro did buy out Tonka.

>>85444830
>Cliche evil human group makes their own cliche clones of transformers

>They're the equivalent of dollar store Quick Change Robos

>>85445023
How is Megatron and Screamer still so popular then? I can't see the appeal of it at all.

>>85445145

Because most of the people that still ship are either older fans or realize that Starscream is a little shit that fucks with Megatron as much as the other way around.

> I can't see the appeal of it at all.
Those two are codependent as hell in most continuities, and shippers ocasionally get thrown a bone (like the "just as I've tamed you" line from the game).

Does anyone have the link to the comics and the pic of chronological order? Wanna start reading them all.

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>>85446166

>>85438223
Seconded

>>85440803
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWWXw5SMIP0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9t7G_lHeiY

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I can take even more of a shit version of Cheetor.
I can take hippie Insecticons.
I can even take alien robot spics.
But what the fuck is with Jointron II? How did building a piloted robot the size of a combiner as an off-hand thing and not even the actual solution to the problem in favor of magic energy switcheroo come to exist?

>>85451515

Is that Beastwars II?

>>85451702
Yup.

>>85451751
>>85451515
Was that any good.

>>85453064
I could only ever find the first 10 episodes(though I have to admit, that was like 8 years ago). Where the hell do people watch this? I want to see BW Neo and BW II.

>>85453198
Beast Wars II is on Kissanime

>>85451515

ECHTIMUS PRIME