Holy shit, Shrek came out 14 years ago and look how well it's

Actually it's been 15 years

>>85383303
Disney got lazy so everyone else got lazy. Thats what happens you you let a company becomes a monopoly.

That dress is pretty low res. So are the bricks. Looks ok, not great by any stretch

>>85383303
They do. There's just a plateau of how good CG stuff can look.

More importantly, the story has aged pretty goddamned terribly.

Have you seen final fantasy: the spirits within lately?

>>85383561
It's kinda sad when Square Enix games these days don't even make the top 10 graphics. In terms of real time.

Animated humans look shit now and they looked just as shit back then

CGI only works on stylized shit

>>85383303
it good

>>85383524
Yeah, but that was 2001/2002, dude

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>>Why don't modern CGI movies look as good?
I've got two words for you...

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>>85384193
I've got two words for you, too

>>85384320
somebody's bitter

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hi

>>85383524
TRAM was pretty limited in those days so you had to be selective about what had high res textures.

>>85384480
What the fuck?
Why have I never noticed that before?

>>85384683

Noticed what?

>>85384480
weren't those animatronic?

>>85384480
Still blows my mind that the cg was this good back in 1993. I don't know how the hell they pulled it off.

>>85384808
No.
>>85384893
By not letting you see them much.

>>85384808
From what I understand if you can see the whole body it's cg, otherwise it's animatronic.

>>85383524
Your dress looks pretty low-res.

>>85384808
>>85384893
>>85384927
>>85384930
Just looked it up. 4 Minutes total cgi in the movie and it took over a year to animate and render.
No wonder most cg of that time didn't look any thing like that good.

After reading that, I do appreciate what pixar pulled off in Toy Story even more though.

>>85385211
That's a huge reason why CG often looks terrible, it's expensive as FUCK. Probably the most expensive parts of any movie are the CG parts and so they get the cheapest fly by night studio to do it. You'd be amazed at the amount of power required to get an animated film done in a reasonable amount of time. Not to mention the cost of the machines.

>>85385211
Yeah, since a lot of CG skin looked like plastic back then, it actually lent itself quite well to animating... well, toys!

>>85385211
If you thought what Pixar pulled off with Toy Story, you should read about the production for Toy Story 2

>>85385211
Watching the movie today, the CG really sticks out. There's one scene, in particular, where they're in a field full of running dinosaurs that looks awful.

>>85384480
That's not how it looks in the movie.

Also pretty sure that image is the animatronic raptors. If you watch the scene it's pretty easy to tell when they're CGI.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnRxQ3dcaQk

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>>85384320
>Facebook memes

>>85385211
>4 Minutes total cgi in the movie and it took over a year to animate and render.

I always laugh when people say CG is cheaper and easier to deal with than 2D animation.

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>>85383303
It doesn't look nearly as nice in motion, but yeah in that screenshot Shrek does look pretty good.

I think it's because a lot of animation studios try to emulate a Disney/Pixar look, but Disney themselves consistently improve upon their animation, so it reflects poorly on previous works.

That wouldn't really explain it all though, even other works of CGI look pretty dated when you look back. I always figured it's simply a result of technology moving forward

>>85383303

i thought the joke with her preparing for the wake up kiss was executed flawlessly

despite the memes i think 1 and 2 are enjoyable and have good jokes

>>85384480
watch for the human hand on the raptors butt

https://youtu.be/05k8paUOo1w?t=52

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SOMEBODY ONCE TOLD ME!

>tfw I just watched Jurassic Park and the CGI actually didn't age well

>>85384193

The "uncanny valley" doesn't exist and never did.

It's literally a meme.

And besides, Fiora in Shrek is made to look way more realistic than most current CG cartoons. If anything would be uncanny valley it's her.

>>85383532
>There's just a plateau of how good CG stuff can look.

Stop embarrassing yourself

>>85387009
>Doesn't exist.

Yes it does. it's why dolls and clowns unnerve some people and why bodyhorror is fucking horrific.

>>85386979
THE WORLD WAS GONNA ROLL ME

>>85387009
>The "uncanny valley" doesn't exist and never did.
>It's literally a meme.
I didn't realize I've been living in Bizarro World all my life.

Are you sarcastic? Human Fiona looks terrible, even compared to the Shrek 2 characters. She's too realistic. It's uncanny.

>>85387009
>I say it's a meme so it is
Yeah ok anonymous 4chan poster, I will most certainly take your unsubstantiated word for it and am not being sarcastic at all

>>85387056
I AINT THE SHARPEST TOOL IN THE SHED

>>85383303
Despite how lazy the series got, 1 and 2 had a lot of effort put into them. It looks good still because they made sure everything was perfected before releasing it. It was meant to be Dreamworks' big breakout movie, and it worked.

>>85384480
Or Terminator 3. T-1000 still looks sick.

>>85387120
She was looking kind of dumb with her finger and her thumb

>>85387009
Watch Mars Needs Moms, and try saying that,

>>85387009
>"Let me just say something that contradicts conventional knowledge, then not elaborate or support my claims in any manner whatsoever!"
>"They'll surely believe me then!"

>>85387994
IN THE SHAPE OF AN 'L' ON HER FOREHEAD

>>85387994
IN THE SHAPE

>>85384480
wtf i hate Godzilla now

>>85388259
>>85388326
FUCK

>>85388326
>>85388259
vocals are out of sync guize try again

>>85386276
Shrek 1 and 2 are legit good m8
The dragonfucking is a bit weird but yeah

>>85388386
WELL

Looking back, the lyrics in All-Star make no goddamn sense. It's all complete nonsense.

>>85383631
They were never good at real-time, it was cutscenes where they shined.

not really on OPs topic but I miss the old days were cartoons were in technicolor. something about it makes the cartoons feel much more vibrant and atmospheric.

>>85388775
They might as well be walking on the sun

>>85388259
WELL
THE YEARS START COMIN

>>85387009
you can't say it's not real because it's all about subjective feelings. some people aren't disturbed by it and some people are. the term is used to describe how some people may be disturbed by it. it's subjective sure but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist and it sure as fuck isn't a meme.

>>85383561
That movie cost so damn much to make it nearly made them go bankrupt

>>85385370
. . . Do tell

>>85384959
R E K T
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>>85389946
After A Bug's Life, Lastenter and his team returned to see how the film was going only to see it was a disaster. Unfortunately, the movie was such a disaster that Lastender decided to rewrite the entire film from scratch thus leaving less than a year for the entire movie to be animated. At one point in the rush, the movie files was accidentally deleted and production was only saved because of a women animator who stored backups because she liked to show the movies she was working on to her children before they were were finished.

>>85385211
For a time the T-Rex was going to be stop motion and addition to puppeting and animatronics like the raptors. . And in the end it sort of was. They built a miniature rig and hooked to a computer. Then as the stop motion artist moved it they would capture each frame and render the CGI that way.
Pioneering technologies!

Jesus fuck...i swear it was yesterday when i was in the theater laughing and cheering during this scene with my parents...it's scary how time just...dissipates

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXUG9zTpI_w

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>>85390345

LMAO I've got modded skyrim to have better textures than that dress.

>>85387053
>Clowns

This has to be a meme right people aren't actually scared of Clowns right?

>>85390796
The models look good but square enix sucks at making believable human movement, they move really weird and they have never polished that since the fmv days

>>85390796
what is this?

How they strated away from the original interpretation.
Nomura leaving the project was a mistake.

>>85383303
This is sarcasm, right?

>>85387009
If you want to experience uncanny valley go to a wax museum. The mannequins hit the same 'close but not close enough' emulation of humans to unnerve you. The first time I went there was a tour group that was making a stop there and everyone was all laughs and smiles walking up the entrance, as soon as the threshold had been crossed from foyer and the mannequins were in view everyone fell quiet. It was incredibly unnerving, there was a mild sense of revulsion and while it eventually faded away nearing the damn things was initially difficult. You could see the apprehension on people's faces as they tried to pose with the mannequins for pictures.

I definitely believe the uncanny valley is real because of it. You ever see someone and immediately get the sense that something is 'wrong' with them? Like they're not all there, like they creep you out and you don't quite get why? IMO that's what uncanny valley feels like, it must have some sort of biological root oriented in self preservation.

>>85384480
That shot was animatronic.

>>85383303
>static objects change
oh god not more of these retards on 4chan

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>>85384480
>>85391300
For comparison, here is an actual pic of JP's CGI.

>>85391221
Kingsglaive FFXV movie.

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>>85384930

>From what I understand if you can see the whole body it's cg, otherwise it's animatronic.

Nah, JP had full raptor suits made for guys to wear. They ran around hunched over and only able to control the neck, while other guys used wireless servos and shit to animate everything else on the suit.

While there are some full body CGI raptors in the movie, alot of scenes are actually just a guy in a really fucking nice looking rubber suit. Japanese Godzilla BTFO.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAzQr3Ml0UI

>>85383303
This thread is like some of the guys who endlessly said "CGI is the future" in the late 90s got a time machine and spilled into /co/

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>its been almost 30 years and they still cant top this shit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_inR2-QHSA

>>85392243
They can't even top the thibg or blade runner, mainstream visual effects had a massive dive in quality when batman and robin came out

>>85392000

But CGI IS the future. A mostly shitty one, but the future nevertheless

>>85385811
That was more than a decade ago when computer hardware wasn't up to scratch. Now, even an idiot with Source Film Maker can make his own CG Porn starring all his favorite vidya characters in a matter of weeks.

>>85392243
How does that GIF work? It looks like it's coming out of my screen!

>>85390345
Shrek 2 still holds up, watched it again the other day and now I got most of the jokes and references.

I honestly think that Dreamworks makes a genuine attempt to raise the bar while Pixar and Disney have become complacent. Dreamworks now feels so much better at action and scenery, and their character designs have the right balance of cartoonish and realistic, at least for humans.

>>85392243
That's because the dino in that scene wasn't CGI

>>85383532
>story aged

Nigga wut? Shriek 1 is still as funny as it ever was.

>>85392243
>3:30
>*roar*
>um... FUCK

Gets me every time, love it.


>>85394693
Parts of it were CGI but yeah a surprising amount wasn't. Unsurprisingly the robo-rex was an unholy bitch to work with, particularly with all the "rain" absorbing into the skin and adding a shit ton of weight (fucked with stability and smoothness of motions) and threatening the circuitry/motors beneath as well.

>>85383303
they never tried to be hyper realistic so shit never went into uncanny valley

>>85391609
Still not that bad.

>>85392243
why was that cunt spazing out with the light anyway

>>85383303
Eric go to sleep

>>85383303
That's using the best scene in the movie though

>>85391221
>Nomura leaving the project was a mistake.
Seemed like a good thing, nips said the movie was fantastic

>>85390889
>unnerve

>>85383524
Oh shutup

>>85390889
I knew a girl that was actually terrified of clowns.

>>85394727
And it took itself way too seriously anyway and ended up being weaker than the stories it was trying to parody.

>>85389240
AND THEY DON'T STOP COMING

>>85391609
They blended CG and animatronics wonderfully, keeping the CG shots limited to quick bursts of action and movement to hide the flaws while any lingering stills would use the animatronic.

>>85400252
Porco Rosso > Shrek

>>85394727
The problem with Shrek is that pretty much everything in it was copied by other CGI cartoons ad nauseam, so it doesn't look nearly as fresh as it once did.

>>85401050
Apples > oranges

>>85401312
It's basically the same film
>rips and homages classics
>features a main character who is grumpy and fat and weird but very capable in his own right
>who has a crush on a beautiful woman
>the usual hero of these stories is now the villain(shrek 2, sure, but still)


Porco Rosso was a better subversion of the tropes while Shrek started being a cheeky parody and ending up the very thing it was parodying.

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>>85401439
By that logic, fucking megas xlr is also the same film.

>>85401050
>>85401439

I would have never thought to compare them in that way ever. Porco Rosso is the better film by far, but they have such different aims and aesthetics otherwise.

Like I said, Shrek has some funny jokes but in the end really is cornier than the Disney fair-tale adaptations it's trying to make fun of in the first place.

>>85392608
Reverse parallax.

>>85392579
Anon, grabbing a bunch of other people's models and set designs and everything else and making them hump each other's mouths in an animation studio carefully designed to be as pain free and accessible as possible, is not quite the same as a pixar film. They're still ridiculously expensive because the expectations have gotten much much higher than they were a decade ago.

>>85391295
I think I remember a short story about why the uncanny valley effect exists.

Long story short, vampires were totally real as a bizarre offshoot of humanity. If we're the apex predator on the planet, they were above that. A little faster and stronger, much smarter, but they were entirely dependent on their limited diet.
After the first major climate changes, with mass die-offs of humanity, they couldn't adapt in time and went extinct as their feeding groups did the same.
The "uncanny valley" comes from the slight differences in posture, facial features, and motions that the "vampires" had.

>Captcha: Valley Majoro

>Why don't modern CGI movies look as good?

Modern CGI looks super good, OP. You're been tricked by statistics.

They use CG a lot more now, and that's why you get the feeling you can spot bad CG more. But most of the time you can't.
Even movies with no action scenes, with random people walking in the sidewalk, its almost always a green screen scene and bystandards and crowds are almost always CG.

Take this scene, for example.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMxATniTbKc

You might not like the movie or the scene, but come on, you wouldn't have guessed it was THIS MUCH CG.

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>>85404596
I definitely believe it is an evolutionary thing, I also believe a lot of horror movie characters that are humans with exaggerated human features such as grey aliens or the cancer that was slenderman are exploiting this. From what I understand this is also why anthropomorphic animals are so common in western cartoons, because they can get away from human looks while keeping human emotions. This is also why characters such as mickey mouse, bugs bunny and sonic the hedgehog wear gloves and shoes, as to prevent the uncanny valley effect to come from seeing human hands and feet on something that isn't human. If they didn't exaggerate the animal humans and tried to make them more human-like, then you get stuff like this.

>>85400838
FED TO THE RULES