How is this going to work?

>>85246789
>How can it all work?

It won't. How stupid are you to think this has even a chance of working after Zack Snyder made Sucker Punch?

That should have been the end of his career, but somehow people keep throwing money at this hack.

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>>85246789

>What will be the most likely outcome?

It will be shit like everything else in the DCEU.

Im nervous
I think if Snyder fucks this up we'll never see Afflecks Batman movie, or probobaly not even get another DCEU reboot. This is the final straw

People were concerned by how the Russo Bros were gonna handle all the players, plot points and introductions in Civil War. It ran pretty damn smoothly so it can happen. However, Snyder is running the show, they have more characters to introduce, and the DCEU brand keep taking giantic knocks. Signs point to dumpster fire, so hope out for a miracle.

>>85246847

OP here, this is my concern as well. Zack Snyder's movies tend to be reviewed very poorly and BvS burned through a lot of goodwill for the DCEU. This movie needs to make at least $1 billion dollars given its sure to be massive budget and the marketing that will be going on. If it doesn't, the future of the DCEU may be in serious jeopardy. Keep in mind that Sony canceled the Spiderverse after it made $709 million with a budget of $200 - $300 million.

>>85246789

I think its gonna end up like Captain America: Civil War with an open ended outcome. But most of your concerns arent too hard to overcome

>1. Establish Apokolips, the New Gods, Steppenwolf, and through Steppenwolf, Darkseid.

Steppenwolf is probably going to be like Loki in Avengers 1 where details will of Apokalips and such will be given in his dialogues


>2. Show how humans, Amazons, and Atlanteans defeated Darkseid.

Opening scene + narration


>3. Explain the motherboxes.

Steppenwolf dialogue and visuals


>4. The resurrection of Superman, and how it's affected him.

I am guessing he will get ressurrected in the climax of Part one and save the day


>>85246789

>5. Gathering Cyborg, Aquaman, and the Flash into a team, showcasing their personalities and abilities, and making the audience care enough about them to make them want to see their solo movies.

Pretty sure its gonna be the first half of the movie in the same way how SS movie showed it


>6. Somehow include Lex Luthor and Jim Gordon into all of this.

Yeah their scenes are gonna get cut


>7. And the final battle with Steppenwolf as well as his evil plan.

Second half?

>>85246789
1: 20-30 minutes with New Gods. Maybe a narration. 2: 10 minutes of pure action showing the battle between earth and Darkseid. There's no exposition; that comes later.

Here is where it goes out of order from your post to make it work.

Lex Luthor makes a cameo, not too big of a deal. Just a minute or two at most. Unless they're using him as an important character. Cyborg, Aquaman, and Flash each get 15 minutes. Cyborg and Aquaman say no, Flash says yes. They meet Jim Gordon and talk about what they need to do for 5 minutes. Cyborg shows up, Diana smiles. They go on their adventure for 10 minutes, fighting parademons and finding the first motherbox. The person who holds this then explains what happened in the fight with Darkseid and what caused earth to split into three factions. This takes 10-20 minutes.

Since I don't know the rest of the plot, it's difficult to say how I would do it. Steppenwolf shows up, they have the battle, Superman comes back. If I were to do this, I would have Batman be incredibly excited and happy to see Superman back. Batman asks Superman how he came back, Superman winks at the camera and says "I'll tell you later." Man of Steel 2 would deal with his revival and subsequent adventure.

It won't work.

>Snyder
>WB being 0/3
>WB will mess with WW too and make their record 0/4

WB is going to be on suicide watch before JL and they're going to fucking mangle the hell out of it as a result.

This universe is a shit show. My God.

It'll be rushed as fuck. Evan the spoilers sounded crowded.

>>85247333

Most of that is gonna get cut anyway

>>85246789
>How is this going to work
>Snyder
>DC
It's not, OP.

>>85246950
Dc doesnt face the same problem as sony. Sony most likely would have kept going with the spiderverse but they got a substantial offer from disney to get spiderman.

Another thing to note is that, unless WB plans on delaying the movie to early 2018, Justice League will have extremely stiff competition in its November 17, 2017 slot.

Pixar's Coco comes out the very next week, and Star Wars 8 comes out a month later, on December 15. Not to mention the numerous Oscar-seeking movies that will pop up during October-December, too. By comparison, the two major attention-stealers for BvS were The Jungle Book (released April 15, 3 weeks after BvS's initial March 25 release) and Civil War (released May 6). The rest of the late March to mid May schedule was exceedingly weak, yet BvS still failed to clear even 900mil.

With stiffer competition, Justice League might gross just the same amount as BvS's 872mil --- or less, which certainly won't be ideal. The only thing it has going for it right now is that it's "DC's answer to Avengers". On the other hand, everyone knows that Snyder is still the director and that it'll probably be shit. Unless DC can perform some kind of miracle voodoo magic to change the public perception of their films, I think the DCEU will be officially over with Justice League.

There is not much going for it, I'm not very hopeful

>>85247672
pls save us Aquaman

You are our only hope! To make big bucks, that is. I enjoy the DCEU.

>>85246789
SPOILER ALERT
It wont
Its dead on arrival anon

>>85247533
It happened because of the email hack.

Sony was disappointed with ASM 2 box office because it expected a billion dollars but it turned out to be the least grossing Spidey movie by Sony. They netted little to no money because it spent a whole lot in marketing

When the leak happened Sony Japan realized how chaotic the whole Spidey movie process was with the american executives. When it realized Marvel was offering a damn good deal it forced Sony America to take that deal when Sony America was still reluctant to do so because they are dumb as a rock

>>85246789
Who said it's going to work?

>>85246831
>That should have been the end of his career, but somehow people keep throwing money at this hack.
It's very simple. When he started his career he was hired by his future wife to do car and sneaker commercials. She wound up becoming an executive at WB and has produced every film he's ever made.

>How is this going to work?
It's not.

>>85246789
Making Apokolypse the first big threat was a fucking terrible idea. They should have went with Brainiac or White Martians.

>>85248013
Brainiac is perfect for setting up the League.
And then have Mongul too before Darkseid gets introduced.

>>85248013
Or Starro, but thats beside the point. Theyre basically blowing their load on the Parademon invasion, and yet Darkseid isnt going to be in it. Where the fuck are you going from there?

>>85247195
This

>>85247886
You have to wonder if she really loves him. Because if she did, she would have told him the truth by now that he's awful.

>>85248101
Oh I'm sure she's tried, but Zack just tells her it's okay, as a woman her brain is simply incapable of comprehending the true greatness of his work.

>>85248075
Probably the same thing as Marvel, seeing as they've been teasing Thanos for fucking years.

>>85248263
I wonder who they'll get for Darskeid.

>>85248101

Love makes people blind. I wouldnkt know, just heard it ;_;

>>85247672
I agree with your assessment, but will WB stop the universe if JL fails to meet expectations? They've pretty much bet all their chips on this universe and I don't think they can just go straight up reboot at this point. They're in too deep

>>85248314
theyll get Ezra Miller's cousin george miller
hopefully

>>85248774
no relation to the director of the same name, who they also should get

>>85246789
It'll be good, like MoS, BvS and SS.

Is no one ok with them doing what ever they want with this universe? At any point they want, they can introduce a Crisis event and claim it "x" world and try again.

>>85248673
They'll just stop making movies based on DC heroes for a while, then reboot, like how there was an 8 year gap between Batman and Robin and Batman Begins.

>>85248816
Director George Miller was actually working on a Justice League movie that got cancelled. He'll probably never work on the DCEU.

>>85248816
They are related
They are both jewish

>>85246789
Why cyborg? why not j'onn

>>85250859
pandering.

>>85250859
Cyborg was forced into the league in N52 because WB wanted a nig. That's the only reason.

Black Lightning needs to come back.

>>85246789
sounds like a really poor interpretation of new gods/darkseid, which is par for the course with DC at this stage desu

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>>85250859
What if Cyborg is just J'onn in his shapeshifting form?

Calling it, they cancel the DCEU after JL tanks.

>>85247195
>>4. The resurrection of Superman, and how it's affected him.
>I am guessing he will get ressurrected in the climax of Part one and save the day

But will that have impact? They have made superman such a wet blanket in the DCEU, will anyone get excited when he comes on screen?

>>85251491
Frankly Id be insulted if Supes was just thrown in randomly in the final act just to be the plot device that saves the day. Id rather have Clark really weak, wandering the streets trying to remember who he is for the first act or something

>>85246789
>muh over dozen movies of buildup
can't wait for Thanos to get distracted by a huge musical dance number as the big payoff

>>85251655
Stay mad faggot

>>85248075
>Where the fuck are you going from there?

Eventually "Kingdom Come"?

>>85250859

Idk, I liked Cyborg in the original animated Teen Titans series, but for me, the perfect Justice League is as follows: Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, the Flash, Green Lantern (Jon Stewart), Martian Manhunter, and Hawkgirl. My perception of DC comics has been heavily influenced by the JLU.

>>85251116

If they wanted a black guy, Static's a much more interesting black hero with a cooler powerset. I loved his TV show back in the day.

>>85251431

I thought that J'onn was supposed to be General Swanwick.

>>85251885
Dont expect J'onn anytime soon in the DCEU. Its like theyre actively trying to phase him out

>>85251491
If they have Superman return and solo Steppenwolf fans will rejoice.

>>85246846
this

The problems OP listed are precisely the reasons why almost none of the innumerable cape flicks from the last 5 years have been compelling or gripping in their plot and character development, and it's why most mature people consider the genre to be garbage.

These movies are NOT being made because some passionate comic book fan got the resources to make AAA Hollywood movies out of the stories he likes while also doing justice to the original material. They are being made to cash in on the success of the MCU.

>>85252138
Cookie cutter comes to mind. Just throw some characters in there, their names will draw people in, fucking ship it

>>85250695
He's black and also makes for a fish out of water for easy info dumping on the audience.

>2. Show how humans, Amazons, and Atlanteans defeated Darkseid.

Save it for a possible prequel movie or a rebooted series. It would be better to not show Darkseid much now because he's such a significant character in the comics that could be better saved to be a draw for a movie without a bunch of well known characters, the current director of Justice League doesn't have a great track record, and many people will find him to be similar to Thanos which might be detrimental.

>>85253159

But this is apparently the opening scene of the Justice League. Showing how the three races banded together to drive back Apokolips' forces.

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>>85246789

First act: Building the team/flashbacks on the first Apokolips war

Second Act: Team comes together

Third Act: Battle Stephenwolf; Supes is resurrected; "We're the Justice Leauge!"

Epilogue: Stephenwolf pleads for mercy, bt Darksied obliterates him

---

Its not that hard OP

>>85246789
>at most three hour

oh sweet child

>thinking anything will be explained

>thinking Superman's inner thoughts will suddenly become important enough that they're used on screen

>thinking anybody is going to try and make audiences care through writing or direction when that's clearly marketing's job

>cameos

>steppenwolf is a great name for a band and a shitty name for a character

>>85246847
>I think if Snyder fucks this up we'll never see Afflecks Batman movie, or probobaly not even get another DCEU reboot. This is the final straw
The thing that is keeping DCEU alive is the fact that the current Warner CEO Kevin was the one who wanted to make it. This means if DCEU failed for real, it would likely be the end of the CEO as well. This means Kevin would likely pull every single favour he has to keep the DCEU going, and that if it was truly cancelled it means there really was no other way.

>>85246917
>People were concerned by how the Russo Bros were gonna handle all the players, plot points and introductions in Civil War. It ran pretty damn smoothly so it can happen
There was only two heroes who needed introduction; Black Panther and Spiderman. And Spiderman basically don't need one. That's the advantage you get for doing the solo films first. Advantage DCEU doesn't have with JL with them having THREE heroes who haven't got any films yet.

>>85253437
>Flashbacks
You're fired

>>85253634
But that's confirmed to happen

>>85254508
Doesnt make it any less dumb. Its practically a drinking game at this point

>>85246789
>the movie has a lot of shit it needs to cover
Most of this is not gonna be covered.

>>85247886
Nobody can be THAT good at eating pussy. There's gotta some other reason.

>>85250571

It wasn't cancelled because of WB though. It was being done in the middle of the writers' strike and Australia wouldn't grant a massive tax cut for filming there so they didn't go ahead with it, and as all the preproduction stuff was set up in Australia they couldn't move it in time for filming.

I'm fairly confident there isn't any ill will between George Miller and WB.

>>85250859

I'm sorry anon, but it's been five years since Martian Manhunter was on the Justice League. You need to realise that he isn't coming back. Much like Pre Crisis anti-industrialist Lex fags need to realise that he isn't coming back either.

>>85251539
>Id rather have Clark really weak, wandering the streets trying to remember who he is for the first act or something

I'm not opposed to this.

I actually think the resurrection of Superman will be part of the badguys plan, leading into the Batman dream sequence, but the Justice League will save Lois Lane and Superman will choose good over evil.

If you think about what Barry says to Bruce in Batman v Superman and what Clark says to Lois at the end of Batman v Superman this makes a level of sense.

>>85253499

Personally I would have used Kalibak instead of Steppenwolf. But they might actually be planning on going full Forth World epic later down the line which they might want to use Kalibak in to contrast him against Orion.

...I watched this film,

how do I not remember anything about points 1-4?

and a few others!

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>MFW Solo Batfleck movie might be cancelled because of Warner Brother's fuck ups.
>MFW we'll never see a Zatana movie. No fishnet leggings ever!
>MFW this was the only chance we'll ever get for a DC connected superhero movie series and Zack Snyder poisoned the well from the start.

Why is everything so unfair bros?

>>85246789
Doesn't seem like it would be too hard to do in a film if they knew what they were doing,

>1. Establish Apokolips, the New Gods, Steppenwolf, and through Steppenwolf, Darkseid

You don't "Have" to establish the New Gods, in a similar way that you don't "Have" to establish atlantis to enjoy an Aquaman story. You could have it set in the past with a vague elder type character explaining that there was a war, a war with a far away army led by steppenwolf, General to the army of Darkseid, showing Darkseid in the shadows, no need to fully reveal him right now, maybe standing on a cliff on apokalypse with red smoke coming from his eyes highlighting him. Or you could have something similar to the story of Krypton's past from MoS, quick bit of exposition giving you everything you need to be in the know.

>2. Show how humans, Amazons, and Atlanteans defeated Darkseid.

Mother boxes or some shit, maybe they got a weapon from New Genesis? But that would open up a whole new can of worms

>3. Explain the motherboxes.
Sentient computers that can do loads of super cool shit, not that difficult to explain, maybe have someone from star labs or cadmus explain it or some shit

>4. The resurrection of Superman, and how it's affected him.

No clue how they will do this one, i could imagine any character development they give him will be done after the final battle with steppenwolf, when he has a conversation with batman saying something like "Facing my own mortality has shown me how much more the world needs me, It's time to embrace who I really am and become the man my father (Jor-El) wanted me to be" Or some shit, sounds bad, but i'm not a writer

(1/?)

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>>85254865
>You'll never be this good at eating pussy
Why are we alive? Just to suffer?

>>85256858
>5. Gathering Cyborg, Aquaman, and the Flash into a team, showcasing their personalities and abilities, and making the audience care enough about them to make them want to see their solo movies.

Gathering them won't be the problem, making the audiences care will be. I can imagine it won't be too hard for the flash, but Cyborg and Aquaman will be a challenge.

>6. Somehow include Lex Luthor and Jim Gordon into all of this.

Lex will probably be contained within an interrogation scene with Batman or Wonder Woman getting as much information about the incoming threat as possible, could be a cool place to show off the Lasso of Truths ability.

I think Jim will just be a cameo to set up the solo batman movie and will just be for giving batman intelligence that the GCPD has picked up on, iirc there is a scene where a nest of parademons in a tunnel and Jim tells them about it

>7. And the final battle with Steppenwolf as well as his evil plan.

Final battle will be a fight with a load of parademons with the League using their individual abilities to help defeat him, like most team up movies. Evil plan wise I could imagine him coming to earth to retrieve mother boxes left when they last tried to conquer the earth, maybe theyre special mother boxes, but I feel that it could be a case of Darkseid wanting revenge on the earth for making a fool of him last time, and maybe he needs the boxes to get to the earth himself.

In all I feel that this will be an average summer blockbuster where Snyder has been under heavy watch to make sure he doesn't "Snyder" this film. Will it be great? Not by a long shot, but I don't think it will be awful

4th time's the charm right guys?

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>>85257133

S-s-sure anon. Neither WB or Snyder could possibly fuck it up THIS time.

>>85257550
What is this?! An image for ants?!

Welp third strike for me, I'm done. I'll stream them, if that.

>>85257550

I LOVED Batman v Superman.

At this point I honestly believe it's group think and stupidity which makes people dislike Batman v Superman.

And considering America is about to elect Trump or a Liar as their President this doesn't surprise me.

Y'all are a bunch of sheep.

>>85257604

*cough* Liar *cough*

>>85257604
Me too. I had my highest hopes on Suicide Squad. After all, they had free range to make a good movie without being tied to comic continuity, and they somehow still botched it up. At this point I'm fed up with DC movies. The trailers for Justice League and Wonder Woman look like shit, and I won't even waste the money to go see them. My well of faith has been depleted.

>>85257637
It's disliked because it is a very poor movie. If you understood anything about the language of cinema you'd realize Snyder is just the dumb kid who takes an art class to get out of doing real work, and is so dumb he sincerely adopts an affectation of artistic intent. But that's all it is, an affectation. Snyder directs puppet shows. He builds dioramas. He does not make good movies.

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>>85257743
>If you understood anything about the language of cinema

Explain to me why it doesn't work on an "artistic or cinematic" level then?

Because it looks beautiful; it has an amazing score; none of the performances are phoned in; and it's sincere in its theme as opposed to the overuse of irony to show cowardice.

But I'm sure your answer will be either:

>Martha

Or

>Tell that to Zod's snapped neck

Showing that you don't have an argument and are instead lost in groupthink or stupidity. Or give me an actual argument. Also, I'm not saying everyone should like it because I like it; I just have yet to hear any ACTUAL argument for why it's bad other than the aforementioned meme responses.

>>85258007
>and it's sincere in its theme as opposed to the overuse of irony to show cowardice.
Different anon her. You lost me at this sentence.

>>85258068

How is the film not sincere in its theme?

I'll give an example of a movie not being sincere in its theme and using irony to show cowardice.

In Captain America The First Avenger the US military literally creates a Super soldier. Once they have a Super soldier they decide not to use him in their military arsenal for... reasons?

Now I liked Captain America The First Avenger, but that part of it is just plain fucking retarded and throws irony at the audience because they don't want to be honest and sincere about Steve Rogers.

>>85250859

Because J'onn is a fucking Martian and they would need a whole movie to explain that and it would probably suck and no one would see it because it would be called Martian Manhunter and no one knows who that is.

>>85258358
>fighting through alien stronghold
>come across cells
>A martian is in one
>He explains how he's the last of the Martians after Darkseid's armor wasted them
>They let him out to fight by their side
Wasn't that difficult at all.

>>85258268
>Once they have a Super soldier they decide not to use him in their military arsenal for... reasons?
They intended to have entire squads of them. Steve Rogers isn't bullet proof and having him killed out there is a waste. Instead he was kept around and Stark Senior took blood samples to recreate the formula, which lead to what you saw at the Civil War flashback. It is stupid to send Steve into battle when he would not be able to be more effective than a normal battalion, which was more expendable. If you think it makes sense to get the only Super Soldier killed, you are not thinking like the army.

>>85258268
A single soldier at Cap's level is pretty useless at the scale of industrial warfare. Special forces as we know it were developed during WW2 and weren't really codified until after Korea. Not immediately putting him combat also allows you to observe and test him for long-term side effects and allows you to continue to take bio samples from him for testing.

>>85258419
>It is stupid to send Steve into battle when he would not be able to be more effective than a normal battalion

But he is more effective than an entire battalion. That's the fucking point of making super soldier: they're super! He breaks into an enemy camp single handedly and saves a fuck ton of people while also securing important military intelligence.

I understand that the military's plan was to create more than one guy, but they didn't keep Steve under lock and key; they had him off performing in bond selling shows and USO shows a few miles from the front line.

It isn't sincere in its use of Captain America until the third act of the movie.

>>85258550
>also allows you to observe and test him for long-term side effects

They don't do this. They use him as a propaganda piece so they can establish his identity as Captain America without being like "lol that's just dumb!"

>>85258614
>But he is more effective than an entire battalion. That's the fucking point of making super soldier: they're super! He breaks into an enemy camp single handedly and saves a fuck ton of people while also securing important military intelligence.
The military could have done the same job by diverting actual traditional soldiers and tanks to the area. In a war, Steve is too expensive to use.

>>85258614
>I understand that the military's plan was to create more than one guy, but they didn't keep Steve under lock and key; they had him off performing in bond selling shows and USO shows a few miles from the front line.
They were forced to use him because he kept wanting to run off, so they gave him tasks that are SAFER than the front lines.

>>85258698

An actual performer and actor would have sold more bonds than Steve Rogers in that role.

They don't keep him under lock and key. The argument of "they needed him to continue their research" doesn't hold water when you put him a couple of miles from the front line.

He's a fucking super soldier who can do things ordinary people can't. And was developed for combat. They should be using him for combat, especially after his initial display when he swims faster than a fucking submarine.

If I was a military intelligence officer I would have at least proposed the idea of using him to take out U-Boats if he can do that fucking shit!

>>85259274
>If I was a military intelligence officer I would have at least proposed the idea of using him to take out U-Boats if he can do that fucking shit!
What? You want him to swim around the ocean? What the fuck, you are proposing the on job we both know are better done with actual anti-submarine vessels. What was Steve Rogers suppose to do to patrol for submarines?

>>85259495
Basically, I think you completely missed the point that Steve Rogers is not The Flash or The Hulk. Steve is better than average soldiers but not better than proper military squads. The only reason he works so well as a superhero is because he takes cases that you wouldn't be able to send tanks in for. In an actuial WAR, you DO send tanks, and bombers, and battleships. Those are what you need to win wars. Steve Rogers is only better than these things for supervillain plots only because declaring martial law is too inconvenient.

>>85259495

He can swim faster than them and won't be picked up by sonar as anything other than a fish.

I'm just saying it's a better use of him than something which can be achieve by literally hiring an actor; not a one of a kind super soldier.

>>85259626
>He can swim faster than them and won't be picked up by sonar as anything other than a fish.
Anti-submarine warfare isn't an offensive operation, but defensive. You don't go hunt submarines, submarines come to hunt you. You are proposing that Steve should swim laps in the ocean and probably never see a sub for weeks. Subs only reveal themselves when attacking shipping. Your proposition shows how little you know about WW2.

>>85252092
Especially if Steppenwolf goes toe-to-toe with Aquaman and they have a powerful battle. Then when Superman shows up and annihilates him, it will feel so satisfying. Maybe like in DBZ when Goku comes back and wrecks Nappa.

>>85246917
Civil war was a bad movie

>>85259742
>Your proposition shows how little you know about WW2.

That's reasonable; I don't know a hell of a lot about submarine warfare in WWII.

I do know that having a single soldier who can perform better than a regiment of soldier is still a highly valuable asset.

>>85259806

I'd be so down with this.

>>85256534
I actually believe the very same thing. Superman will choose humanity again

>>85260018
>I do know that having a single soldier who can perform better than a regiment of soldier is still a highly valuable asset.
Indeed, he is valuable. But if a regiment of soldiers is easier to come by, then you would use them instead of the single supersoldier who's body contained the only means for you to make more of him. It is literally better to send 50 regular men to their deaths in order to keep Steve Rogers safe. Even if Steve Rogers himself doesn't agree.

>>85260215

How many times do I have to say this:

THEY DON'T KEEP STEVE ROGERS SAFE

THEY DON'T KEEP HIM UNDER LOCK AND KEY

THEY USE HIM FOR A JOB AN ACTOR/PERFORMER WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DO BETTER

THEY SEND HIM A COUPLE OF MILES FROM THE FRONT LINES

The reason they don't use him is because they won't to establish the Captain America code name and outfit via irony rather than sincerity.

>>85258358
No you fucking fanboy. It's Johns fault and we all know it. fuck you.

>>85260298

*won't establish the Captain America code name and outfit via sincerity but do it via irony.

>>85247886
She isn't an executive at WB, are you a fucking moron?

>>85246789
It's going to be a mess, which is a recurring thing for DC's movies. They aren't well thought out, because WB is trying to "keep up" with Marvel, which is idiotic because I'd rather have 1 great movie than 5 bad ones. All of these heroes should have solo movies first, and we should really establish the New Gods before shoving in Steppenwolf and Darkseid.

>>85260298
>The reason they don't use him is because they won't to establish the Captain America code name and outfit via irony rather than sincerity.
They use him rather than an actor because they want to give him a job, and to have an excuse to keep an eye on him. Your argument just isn't going to get better by typing in all caps. Steve was not going to defeat the Nazis by himself, he isn't powerful enough. The suggestions you gave previously implied that you don't realise that. That you think Steve is somehow Cosmic level strong. If he WAS that strong, your arguments would make sense. He isn't, so that's that. If he was Superman or the Flash, sure. He could have won WW2 by himself. He isn't at that level.

>>85246789
Marvelfag here, who the fuck is Steppenwolf?

>>85260789
He's Darkseid's uncle, and the main general of Darkseid's army. He's never really been that major of a player like Desaad, Granny Goodness, or Kalibak. I'm surprised they didn't make Kalibak the villain.

I'm mad that they couldn't just have Green Lantern and now have to save him for the sequel.

They fucking better have Martian Manhunter too, to make up for those blue balls they gave us.

And now we'll have to wait for Justice League 3 to get Green Arrow, Atom and Hawkman.

>>85260532
>complain they're trying to "keep up" with Marvel
>ask for them to make solos for everyone
Fuck you. You don't have to establish everyone before they're allowed to be in a movie. It's just a waste of time and means you have to water down the solo movies so they'll fit in with the team movie.

Remember how Marvel rushed out a shitty Captain America movie and a shitty Thor movie and a shitty Iron Man sequel all solely in service of setting up Avengers? Sure, they got better movies later on, but people went and saw them BECAUSE they saw them in Avengers, not the other way around.

I don't understand why people put so much importance on fucking origin stories, when like 99% of Marvel/DC stories are NOT origin stories and do not benefit at all from knowing the origin story.

>>85246789
Kinda wished they used the original line up with lantern and manhunter.

>>85261248
>Fuck you. You don't have to establish everyone before they're allowed to be in a movie. It's just a waste of time and means you have to water down the solo movies so they'll fit in with the team movie.
If you think making profitable movies are a waste of time, why are you in the movie business?

Do you think solo movies are loss leaders? Do you think Marvel give away film tickets for free? Solo movies make money, they are not a waste of time. In fact they SAVE time with the tream up films, so you can focus on the team up and not on introducing them.

In theory you CAN do the team ups first. But it is HARDER. And the fact is there is no reward for trying to do the harder thing and then screw up. Marvel doesn't do this because they know what is outside their league. DC can try to make movies the hard way, but don't be surprised if JL crashed and burned.

>>85260998
Kalibak is a violent 'tard with daddy issues. Steppenwolf, while one of the blander New Gods, works best for an introduction because he's not attached to the petty politics and interactions of the rest of Darkseid's Elite. He alone is completely loyal to Darkseid and content with his place in the Apokoliptian court.

>>85260353
She is, along with being the main co-producer from all Snyder Films from her company cruel and inusual.

>>85261248
>rushed out

I mean they were literally three years after Iron Man and Hulk, but OK

why do you think audiences for films with really quite different demos went to see Avengers, anon? protip: it's not Iron Man

>>85261248
>99% of Marvel/DC stories

99% of DC stories are retellings of what happened before the latest reboot

>>85261592
Iron Man, Captain America, and Thor all have the same viewer demo. And lets be honest, IM2 was a rush job designed to set up The Avengers.

>>85261533
It's still a pretty dumb way to go about it.

We should've gotten Starro or something.

If they wanted to introduce the New Gods to us, we should've gotten a New Gods movie.

>>85261815
Yeah, the New Gods would work best as their own franchise, but what are you going to do?

My idea would be to use all versions of Starro, humanoid, giant monster, and starfish. That way you can split the action between the heroes and avoid the issues that destroyed tension in AoU.

>>85261492
I don't give a shit about the financial success. Of course formulaic, safe movies are going to sell better, as Marvel proves. If DC did everything just like Marvel does, obviously their sales would improve, and that's likely what they'll do, and that's why I'll stop caring about their movies like I already don't care about Marvel's.

What I WANT are movies that actually follow and adapt the classic comics, and don't worry about having to spell every little thing out for the retarded lowest common denominator audiences. All the comics I read as a kid didn't have to stop and explain who everyone was, I didn't have to start with issue #1 and go from there to understand what was going on, and I could easily pick up on the characters and story by reading.

You could pick up the first issue of Ostrander's Suicide Squad knowing literally nothing about the DCU and totally understand what's going on.

I just have no reason to bother with these movies when they're no better than the garbage Transformers movies. With DC's movieverse being so fledgling I see opportunity to do things differently, but there's no chance when everyone just wants more Marvel movie clones with the same formula, just a different character's name stamped on the box.

I know I'm a huge NOT MUH faggot, so don't bother telling me. I'm just getting this frustration off my chest, nothing against you personally.

>>85261815
Starro wasn't the first enemy the JLA fought chronologically.

The reason Darkseid was chosen is because he comes with an endless army of mooks that are OK to kill because they're freaky alien zombies, and he's a big guy for Superman to punch. There's not going to be anything more to it than that.

Starro would make for a more complicated story, Despero wouldn't have a bunch of guys for the JLA to kill in action scenes, and so on. That's the reality of these movies.

>>85262278
>What I WANT are movies that actually follow and adapt the classic comics, and don't worry about having to spell every little thing out for the retarded lowest common denominator audiences
Then you had to accept that you would end up with 50million budget films. Which can work; see Deadpool. But film making is a business and they are not going to make movies that only you and your closes six friends would see,

>>85261107
>They fucking better have Martian Manhunter too, to make up for those blue balls they gave us.

It isn't going to happen.

You're thinking like a Pre-Crisis Lex Luthor fan asking for the villain to not be an industrialist.

Flashpoint happened. Cyborg is now a founding member of the Justice League: Martain Manhunter isn't. Deal with it.

Also, Martian Manhunter is just fucking green Superman who can be defeated by a box of matches. Very few people give a fuck about Martian Manhunter (proof of this is that no one complained when Grant Morrison kills him off in the first few pages of Final Crisis).

Also, due to the current age we live in and our reliance on technology Cyborg is both a more interested and more relevant character than Martian Manhunter, who is just fucking Green Superman.

>>85261592
>99% of DC stories are retellings of what happened before the latest reboot

Mouseketeer detected.

I hope Hellcat and Squirrel Girl are enjoyable. Also, the Fantastic Four and X-Men were never important in Marvel comics anyway that's why they're shitting all over them at the moment.

>>85262278
But they also need to be GOOD movies, on top of not being formulaic. MOS and BVS are bad, and SS is just decent.

>>85261940
>My idea would be to use all versions of Starro, humanoid, giant monster, and starfish.
That's not a bad idea at all.

>>85262447
>Starro wasn't the first enemy the JLA fought chronologically.
I thought he was?

>The reason Darkseid was chosen is because he comes with an endless army of mooks that are OK to kill because they're freaky alien zombies, and he's a big guy for Superman to punch. There's not going to be anything more to it than that.
That's a pretty stupid reason to just use Darkseid, to just copy the Avengers 1:1.

>>85261248

> shitty Captain America movie

Shit taste confirmed

>>85262927
Different dude, but i felt the opposite. MoS and Bvs were good while SS was trash tier.

>>85263147
I feel the same way, but I'm more sympathetic to Suicide Squad. It has some good moments.

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>>85251655

>can't wait for Thanos to get distracted by a huge musical dance number as the big payoff

Anon....what the fuck are you talking about?

>>85246847
Its already over

There is no chance it won't be shit

Just be glad you have the animated movies still being made

>>85264620
D-Do you think DC comics will fall into obscurity after all their movies tank? Will they be like Dark Horse comics?!

>>85264793
DC has too many classics to ever be forgotten.

>>85264793
>D-Do you think DC comics will fall into obscurity after all their movies tank? Will they be like Dark Horse comics?!
Batman is confirmed unkillable.

>>85246789
>people can't understand things unless you have an entire movie to explain each concept introduced
Why are capefags so retarded?

Theres just too much stacked against it. What really sucks is that its a no win scenario. If we hard reboot it, we lose Ben and Henry, not to mention we have to slog through more Batman and Superman solos to establish a new universe, which in truth will only confuse the general movie goer.

>>85264867
Nice bait. WBs already proven they cant develop multiple characters at once and suck even more at pacing. Hell the lack of solo movies is part of the reason we're in this damn mess

>>85264928
>retards now equate the failure of DC's movies with "hurrrr, EVERYONE NEEDS A SOLO MOVIE"
Fuck off. Origin movies are the worst shit ever.

Hey I've got an idea! How about DC makes a Doom Patrol movie with no relation to the mess WB has churned out?

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>>85264993

>retards now equate the failure of DC's movies with "hurrrr, EVERYONE NEEDS A SOLO MOVIE"

Uh, you wish that was the extent of DCEU's problems

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>>85250859

When was the last time you got laid?

>>85251491

The impact will be expositioned in a future movie

>>85253437
>Epilogue: Stephenwolf pleads for mercy, bt Darksied obliterates him

>Implying Man of Murder will leave him alive

>>85250058
Prediction: After JL and WW tank, WB will shitcan Affleck's Batman movie

>>85250859
J'onn is a repetitive character
>last of an alien race
>super strength
>flight
Only thing he has going for him is telepathy and shape-shifting
If they need a shape shifter they should use Plastic Man

>>85246789
>6. Somehow include Lex Luthor and Jim Gordon into all of this.

Gordon is just a cameo where he talks to Batman on a rooftop. Lex probably isn't even in it.

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>>85251116
Bring back Ghetto Man
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4t0wR1QCciI

>>85250571
He's actually a producer on this movie.

>>85265211
>after all this incompetent shit fails, they'll cancel the one thing that would most certainly be good
Bravo.

>>85265322
They may have went a bit far in some places

>>85265211
More like Affleck will just leave, which is what I'm expecting.

>>85265322
There is no guarantee it will be good, and after 5 losses it will be throwing good money after bad.

>>85265434
>no guarantee it will be good
Other than the fact that Affleck is good at what he does, that is.

>>85265211

I am guessing DCEU will turn into Affleckverse with sole focus on Batman movies

>>85265944
That's the only good outcome at thsi point

>>85265944
I predict that DC will just stop making movies after their two upcoming movies flop. They'll go the same way as Dark Horse comics, only they'll be making several Batman movies each year because Batman has been their only gold mine this entire time, and even that well is beginning to run dry.

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>>85246831
THIS!

Theyd have to splt the movie into a 3 quel in order to properly get the details for most of the justice league lore.

One film will simply be a cluster fuck and bad pacing all over the fucking place.

BVS barely worked and even that had most of it cut

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>>85252198

That doesn't mean we haven't had some decent adaptions and exception s to this rule:

Iron man 1
The winter soilder
Civil War
Batman Begins
Deadpool
BVS
X-2
X-men days of future past
X-1

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>>85266328
>BVS

>>85264864

Hypercrisis bro!

>>85246789
The new gods are probably just going to be aliens instead of gods.

>>85267411

They effectively are Aliens though. Like, they don't control the weather on earth or whether or not someone has healthy children.

Like, I dig what you're saying and I want them called the New Gods and I want the Forth World to be outside space and time and also the multiverse. But they essentially are just Aliens from a couple of planets outside Space and Time.

>>85264993
>solos have to be origins
You know Black Panther isn't going to be an Origin Story? Incredible Hulk wasn't one either.

Meanwhile, BvS isn't a solo story but we STILL had to sit through the Waynes getting shot again.

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>>85268612
anon stop

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>>85246789
as a DCfag, this movie is most likely gonna blow
>being a DCfag is suffering

>>85268612
Darkseid is the most pure embodiment of a god darkseid is

>>85246789
It's probably gonna be shit, cause WB still thinks it can save its franchise. They should reboot and go way slower.