Is it really that bad?

>>85194866
It's more mediocre than bad. It's at least less shit than MoS or BvS.

>>85194866
Ain't no mercy, ai-ain-ain't no mercy.

>>85194866
It's about a 5/10 at best

>>85194866
Have you seen The Man with the Iron Fists? The RZA movie? It's not quite that bad, but not far from it.

>>85194866
People seem to be reviewing things much more leniently and also harshly these days. Decent movies get scores that are too high, and mediocre movies get scores that are too low.

>>85194866

Imagine Guardians of the Galaxy but all the jokes fall flat and the soundtrack sucked.

>>85194866
Cape movies are getting stale. Who would have guessed?

>>85196101
That's actually a great description, man with the iron fist on paper had everything going for it with awsone trailers. It was bland as shit but had based Russell.crowe

>>85194866
Well out of the first audiences who rushed out to see it, a little less than three fourths liked it. I'm sure some people are probably gonna talk about a "critic fan disconnect", but that's already not that good when you think about it.

>>85196155
Critics aren't opening-night fans.

>>85196155
It was at 26/98 last night. Then at midnight it released across the world. Also, there were apparently an unusually large number of Thursday preview showings.

By monday it'll probably be closer to 45%. Shouldn't really surprise you at this point, unless you're that guy who's been autistically crying "what's wrong with Green Lantern" for the last five years. If five years of watching that shitfest back didn't explain it to you or make it seem credible that DC movies could be bad, you're just hopeless. I mean at this point even as a troll you'd be pathetic, it's just such low-hanging fruit. Fucking Boco wouldn't touch your act. Boco. That's who you're worse than right now. Old Cunt Destroyer himself.

Genuinely confused about the negative reactions. I liked it, wassn't that bad. Of course, i also kinda liked BvS, retrospect I can see why that was disliked. So....what'd people hate about this? It was some fun supervillains doing stuff, i'd give it a 7.5/10 easy

>>85194866
They're both equally boring. GL as a movie is worse but I wouldn't sit through any of them ever again.

>>85196101
The Man with the Iron Fists gets homage points. What is Suicide Squad an homage to?

THAT WAS OUR MAIN SATELLITE UPLINK

>>85194866
The only bad parts were the action scenes. Solid 6/10.

>>85196473
Escape from New York? The premise is kinda similar. Suicide Squad is nowhere near as good a movie, though.

>>85194866
yes.

>>85196482
I thought we had this CONTAINED!

>>85196310
>a little less than 3/4 liked
>source: my ass
If anything it seems like the majority of the audience liked it.

>>85196129
So Guardians of the Galaxy?

>>85194866
I look forward to seeing how well it will have some in the box office this weekend.

>>85194866
GL was a mediocre movie at worst.
It followed the Marvel formula even without being a Marvel movie, and it was a perfectly serviceable, average cape flick.

But nerds only cared for details, and normies were told it was uncool, unlike Batman or Iron Man which they can freely like.

>>85194866
>>85194943
I thought (and still think) that MoS was a great movie. Didn't like BvS or SS but anyone who thinks BvS was the better of the two has objectively shitty taste. Both were muddled with too many new characters, constantly tripping over five different plotlines, and had piss poor editing but SS was at the very least kind of fun and had great actors as opposed to grimderp wooden Cavill and blabbering Eisensperg. Overall I didn't regret wasting money on seeing this like I did with BvS.

>>85196677
You do know that 74% is a little less than 3/4ths right?

>>85196677
Yes source: your ass. The picture you posted. 74%
74% means that almost three fourths of the people who uploaded scores gave it a "good review" AKA, over 2.5. If you look at the average score as well, it's already 3.9/5
Seems not bad, until you remember that these are the people who rushed out to see the movie opening night. This same thing happened to BvS, and now it sits at less audience popularity than any MCU movie.

>>85196677
>>source: my ass
Not that anon but a little less than 3/4ths is probably that whole 74% thing in the OP.

Not that I put much stock in it since most of those are probably pre-release reviews and/or midnight showing reviews and are naturally going to skew more positive.

>>85196425
See. You're like my friend who just doesn't get it. You zone out watching movies, you enjoy it, and you ignore it's flaws. The bad plot, crappy editing, shitty dialogue, etc. None of this registers to you while watching it. When someone tries to explain it, you don't get it. Example he loved this movie when we went last night as much as he loves Pelham 123. You're entertained so you ignore its flaws.

Personally I was interested for it but what began to buffer my enthusiasms before seeing it was the scene with Harley saying nice to meet'cha. It's shit dialogue and comes across cringeworthy.

>>85196900
Green Lantern had the problem of Hal being an unlikable asshole, the CGI costume not looking very good, and the story being a mess due to it being three scripts (with very different characterizations) smashed together.

>>85196967
>You're entertained so you ignore its flaws.

This is true for every fictional film or book you enjoy though.

>>85196603
I'LL HACK THROUGH THE BACKGROUND DATABASE TO TRY AND BYPASS THE FIREWALL

>>85196967
It's an action superhero movie though. Shallow characters, cheesy dialogue, is that worth a 2.6/10?

And what's wrong with zoning out? IT's a movie about super villains shooting stuff. Was anybody surprised? Were there greater expectations?

I get it though, i don't wanna defend it, say you can't hate it, but i liked it. It's way better than 26% in my opinion. Pretty Good

>>85197080
I dunno if that's true. I liked the last Ninja Turtles movie but I can freely admit that its antagonists were weak as hell.

>>85196473
>The Man with the Iron Fists gets homage points.

Homage points are the worst kind of points. If the only merit a film has is that it reminds of you a better movie that said film is worse than bad because a bad film can still have it's own ideas and merits.

>>85196101
I liked The Man With The Iron Fists though.

>>85194866
Not at all. It's good.

>>85196411
This. BvS was around 80%-90% by this time. These flicks usually get high audience rate, like fucking Transformers has 86%. 74% is worrisome.

>>85197080
Not for everyone. This is why people walk out of movies, why they do not finish books, and why they don't tolerate certain things in their life.

Example. A lot of people cannot watch movies with bad cgi, especially older movies with bad cgi. It's distracting and makes you not want to watch it, so they don't watch it.

>>85197161
This is what I mean by you or another anon not getting it.
Not everyone is capable of zoning out and ignoring flaws. If a flaw bothers you so much you can't focus on the story then you don't enjoy it that much. If the flaw is so bad and the story is bad then you have to cling to something. In this case Harley's cute ass. Bad story, bad acting, bad dialogue, but hey the cute ass distracts you enough to zone out. Not everyone is capable of doing that because, bluntly, they have better things to do with their time. Which is essentially why they will walk out of a movie.

It doesn't mean you're wrong for enjoying the movie. That's your opinion. What you're wrong for thinking is your opinion overshadows everyone elses opinions. And with review sites you're getting a collective of opinions. So when the collective disagrees with yours, you don't get it because you enjoyed the movie. Even though others are telling you they didn't.

>>85197181
Either you ignore the flaws or you don't let them impede your enjoyment of something, de facto ignoring them.

Everything that people point out as a flaw in suicide squad, poor villain, lax character development, bad editing, too many song montages, etc., are all "flaws" in critically received films, but a film being good isn't based on the number of flaws or how big the flaws are, it's based on the number of positives you take from the film.

>>85196101
>The Man with the Iron Fists
As terrible as that was, it has a higher percentage rating and a higher average score rating than Suicide Squad.

>>85197161
I don't think you understand how Rotten Tomatoes works. It got a 4.7/10. The big number on top shows how many reviews gave it above positive review. The little number below it shows the average critic score

>>85197510
>You enjoy

So we've all decided that we have to put down the DC friends, for their own good, but HOW should we go about ending their suffering?

I heard that when you catch a rabid squirrel you're supposed to drown it, should we do that with the DC friends?

I'm open to suggestions, but time is of the essence. We have to euthanize them before the Wonder Woman film flops

>>85194866
I thought it was pretty good. Not even a DCuck here. This solid step in the right direction after the missteps that were MoS and BvS. Just hope Wonder Woman can be at least as good.

>>85197368
It's just the shitty way RT counts the score. Since it includes the want to see score from before release, the numbers are bloated

I personally thought it was garbage yes, but I'm also of the camp that cape films are all terrible. Yes, even the first Avengers. Mostly because they're all basic plot devices painted with super hero masks, and the stories have all been told before hundreds of times.

But this movie was particularly bad. The actions sequences were filler, so I spent more time wishing those would end so we could further the plot. People in the theater were wondering who Leto was supposed to be (I actually heard someone ask "wasn't the Joker supposed to be in this?" when leaving the theater), Deadshot was completely nerfed into a good guy, Harlee Quin had no business being there other than eye candy, and they didn't give any of the other meta-humans anything to do. They all just posed and looked cool while Deadshot delivered painfully bored sounding lines. And don't get me started on the editing. It honestly felt like a bad youtube poop that someone forgot to finish editing.

I give it a 3/10. It wasn't worth the money and it wasn't worth the quarter billion dollar budget it got.

>>85196129
SS had Yeezy for like 30 seconds.
GotG is 2 hours of dad rock.

>>85197629
>implying Wonder Woman won't get the Ghostbusters treatment

>>85197663
See, this DC friend right here. Unable to face the cruel reality, he has retreated into a world of delusion. It isn't long before he gets the word "Damaged" tattooed on his forehead and starts molesting children.

We need to do away with him quick. He's already a danger to himself, it won't be long before he's a danger to others

>>85197629
No one wants to put DC down. We want them to make better movies. The brand loyalty bs is just a few minor fans and trolls playing games.

You can be a fan of the Avengers & Justice League. That's why the companies use to do cross-overs for fans. Both companies tell different stories with different tones. The problem is Warner Brothers is putting it's trust in shit-tier directors. People who are better suited to making music videos and movie trailers than actual movies.

>Meet Slipknot. He can climb anything.
They may as well have tattooed DEAD MEAT on his forehead.

>>85197689
Middling praise, horrible box office?

>>85196129
>and the soundtrack sucked.
Holy shit especially the Eminem song. That sounded so incredibly out of place

>>85197687
>dad rock
Oh that feel. The last time I had that was when Deadpool made the quip about Limp Bizkit.

>>85196944
Except that the score also includes the "want to see" votes from users who haven't seen the movie yet.

>>85197742
>You can be a fan of the Avengers & Justice League.

Do you... know anyone like that? Someone who likes good films, but has weird schizophrenice episodes where he thinks Zack Synder film's are anywhere approaching decent?

Well, you should take action quickly. Your friend is in a rough state, I'm not going to lie. But he doesn't have to be put down. If we lobotmize his brain, perhaps he won't be so mentally disturbed as to like DC films.

But again, time is of the essence. Get him to a hospital, quickly

>>85197080
What? No, it's not. Who the hell told you liking something means you have to ignore any and all faults it may have?

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>>85197855
now I know you all be lovin' this shit right here

>>85196777
Be contrarian all you want, Anon. It won't make the movie any less fun and successful.

No, its not amazing but it's not bad. I actually liked it

>>85194866

I liked BvS, but I thought Suicide Squad was pretty bad.

I was more bored by it than anything.

>>85197910
No, I don't know many people who think Synder is a good director.

Do I know anyone who likes the Avengers and Justice League? Aka Marvel & DC? Yes. A shit load of them to be honest. People who loved X-Men TAS/Spiderman TAS and Batman TAS/Justice League. No, most didn't like Superman TAS cuz it was pretty shitty. These are the same people who were iffy about X-Men Evolution (they made all the X-Men younger) but loved Teen Titans.

Basically, some of us HOPE that Warner brothers does something right with the DC movie universe. Because we we were fans of the comics and cartoons.

Hell, here's one even more baffling. Most fans love X-Men and Wolverine comics. But hate the movies. The movies are shit. This is essentially what Warner Brothers is doing with DC. But the part thats so fucking baffable is Warner Bro OWNS DC. While Marvel/Disney don't own the rights to the X-Men movies.

>>85197976
>tfw that scene came to mind instantly when returned from college and ran into bully from middle school working at dairy queen

>>85197910
Liking Justice League the comic and the characters and the franchise doesn't mean you have to like the upcoming movie.

DC fans does NOT equal Snyder fans.

>>85198453
Just like TMNT, GI Joe, and Transformer fans hope they'll eventually get a decent movie of their favorite franchise. Doesn't mean they're Bay fans.

>>85198535
>tfw no one else likes Rise of Cobra
It's so shitty but entertaining at the same time

>>85198559
I don't even remember the movie other than Bruce Willis in the back of the truck. I barely remember the first one, except the wanna be Iron Man suits.

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>>85198161
>tfw did him dry in the alley behind dairy queen for pocket change

It's better than Green Lantern and BvS. The Ultimate Cut for BvS barely saves the film. At lest Suicide Squad made some fucking sense and was fun. I can get where the complaints about the editing and weak villain comes from, but a lot of the hate seems ridiculous. It's almost like some critics saw a different movie.

>>85198692

I found Suicide Squad more nonsensical than BvS, honestly.

>>85198757
How?

>>85197805
that was one of the best used songs in the movie. It worked perfectly for the scene it was in.

>>85194866
>is it really that bad
How about you watch it and find out for yourself.

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Why wasn't the Joker fucking funny? His henchmen were better.

>>85198767
because he isnt a retard like you that cant understand BvS

>>85198809
THE FIRE IN MY LOINS

>>85198672
Nah, I actually told one of my friends brothers who became a Cop to keep an eye on him. Why would a guy like that be working as a cashier in a place that's filled with teenaged girls. When his father owns a construction company. Technically it was because drinking and drug habit, but, yeah the seeds were planted.

>>85198797
I disagree desu. I thought it didn't fit at all and just sticked out like a sore thumb

>>85198880
well I guess we just have different opinions then

Everyone I talked to who watched it, even the people didn't like it, all agree that no it's not that bad.

>>85198767

BvS had a unifying theme that tied the character development together, and the motivations of those characters just seemed more consistent and emphasized by the events of the movie.

Suicide Squad ignores half of its cast, and the few characters it does both to give a central role skip ahead through any sort of development so where they end up doesn't really make sense compared to how they've acted for most of the movie.

>>85198834
But how is suicide squad more nonsensical?

>>85196101
woof

Just came back from seeing it. It was ok. A lot of the jokes were miss, and there were a LOT of them.
The rest of the crew weren't as focused on as Harley, El Diablo, and Deadshot. Which only made me care about Deadshot (I didn't like Harley all that much). Of course the villain was bad as well.

So I'd definitely call it an ok movie. I liked everything else about it. Just hated those few things. Oh yeah, and Joker was fucking awful. I want to rid that version from my mind.

>>85198897

Oh also the "we have to save Flagg/Waller" motivations for the characters stop making sense about halfway through where it becomes really unclear as to whether the neck explosives are active or not. All too often it just feels like the characters stick together because the plot demands it rather than any sort of apparent determination on their part.

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>>85194866
I'd honestly give it a B-. Very enjoyable desu.

My only flaws were
-Some jokes just dont land
-Katanna shouldn't have been there, she added nothing and only really spoke on japanese
-Joker Leto was fine but wasn't in it enough to get this interpretation of the character really

Besides those, I really liked it. an anyone else tell me some chief flaws critics have brought up against it? I found it pretty much as enjoyable as deadpool's movie (though I dont like DP all that much).

>>85199145
Agreed, their mission and its objectives become pretty unclear eventually


>>85199138
Yeah, I really didn't like Leto's Joker. Dude's a good actor, but I just couldn't get into this interpretation of the character. He's maneirisms and overall way he carried himself and talked seemes like a really bizarre cross between The Joker, Voldemort and Tony Montana.

>>85199651
His*
Seemed*

>>85198652
Rise of Cobra is the first one.

>>85199474
>Besides those, I really liked it. an anyone else tell me some chief flaws critics have brought up against it?

Badly edited first half, cliched third act

Overuse of pop music

Half the cast is wasted and gets no development

Tries too hard to be "edgy" and adult with a PG-13 rating.

>>85199838
>implying ratings mean anything
Way to play into the MPAA hands.

>>85194866
Yes to both

>>85194866

Yes. It's a hair more enjoyable than Green Lantern, but it's just as boring.

>>85199925

I meant it in the sense that it plays up the grimy and edgy aesthetic but doesn't have anything genuinely shocking to back up that tone.

>>85194866
it's not a strong opening atm.
50 million in two days while "On target" isn't going to hold strength
it will likely decline a good portion each week and might make New GB numbers which is about 150~200
It's budget was somehow the same as BvS (250 million) so it's dosn't even have a great chance to break even
Bad or not if people dislike WW as much and check out of theaters like BvS and what seems to be happening with SS enjoy watching the most depressing Justice League launch. Whether JL is critically acclaimed or not WB might have done enough damage to the brand that Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman may no longer have the pull of the general audience to get seats filled.


I never thought I live a day where that was even a possibility.

It's not great. Mediocre score, bad editing, the good songs on the soundtrack are used in the wrong scenes, a lot of the jokes are flat and a lot of the cast is horribly underused. Also, a very underwhelming Joker.

That being said, I can SEE there was probably a slightly better movie here, left on the cutting room floor.

I'd rate it more of a 48%.

>>85194866
Just got back from seeing it. Funny how all this week i have been told this movie is actually WORSE than , Spider-Man 3. Fantastic Four , Green Lantern , Hitler and aids!

I go see it and i ended up liking it quite a bit and i wasn't the only one either. The crowed applauded at the end of the movie. They also cheered the scnees where Smith shot startes blasting Zombies away on top pf a car ( which is admittedly a pretty good scene showcasing Dead shot's skills)
The "THIS IZ KATANUH SHE GOT MUH BACK" scene people laughed at Harley's "stench of Death line" too. Speaking of Harley she was perfect. Plain and simple, that was Harley fucking Quinn. For me she stole the show. Capt Boomerang was great in the few scenes he had too. Kinda nice when Jai Courtney is actually allowed to have a personality! I liked the Flash Cameo too.

Smithshot was great, sorry but i think he was waaaaay better than the CW version. Hell i would say he was not so far removed from the Assault on Arkham Deadshot in many ways.

Leto Joker was pretty good, but there just wasn't enough of him for me to really decide if he is a truly great take on the Joker. Also seeing him go out of his way to save Harley was weird. All in all i wished he had done more shit in the movie. But what was there i did not hate so that is a good start.

Amanda Waller, much like Harley is PERFECT.

The movie itself, again nowhere near the cluster fuck i was expecting, even the editing/pacing complaints were blown out of proportion. I will say that the movie did loose steam by the last 30 minutes, IMO. The final battle fell flat for me. Up till the Bar scene it was great though, they almost had an 8/10 movie for me, as it is it's a solid 7/10. Maybe when a directors cut is released i could say it's higher, it's clear that a lot was cut out, which is a shame really.

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My two cents on David Ayer's "Suicide Squad".

I think Ayer was a good fit for this property and if they make a sequel I still want him at the helm. It was suitably gritty in terms of tone while still being light. Most everyone talked, not in a Guardians/Marvel like joke quips appropriate for most audiences. They talked dirty, arguably sexist or mean spirited at times. This makes sense since most of them from the comics are generally street level criminals even with thier powers/skillsets.

A lesser director/writer would have made them more anti HERO than anti-hero. Most of them were kind of detestable but in a fun but still gritty kind of way. Most of the characters looked kind of dirty, unshaven, not pristine which is kind of interesting for a comic book movie. Also I didn't find the PG-13 to be much of an issue besides a few select scenes (katana's intro). Since they here fighting dumb monsters no gore was really necessary. About as much cursing as the comics have.

Now my main issues stem from the amount of jokes or light moments that dont really land. (What's the perfume, the stentch of death?) and other moments. While I liked the grit, Ayer needs to find a comedy writer because I dont think any of his movies are really that funny and this one had the most jokes out of any I've seen. Also Katanna was the weak link that didn't need to be included. We got suitible development out of the characters that mattered (deadshot/Quin) but boomerang/Croc could have had more lines if she had been cut. Joke fine as well, nothing special since we dont see enough of him but it was interesting to see him actually seem to be in love with Quinn.

I found the vilians fine. They performed thier jobs well enough, with a sensible enough plan. No worse than Ronan from Guardians, and I dot find him to be a particular flaw in that movie since it's about the cast.

Tl;dr: Solid B-. Could have been better with some cast trimming and better jokes.

>>85197805
I think there was no harmony with anything.
GotG was brought up and one core thing was they focused on late 70's/early 80's rock and R&B, this gave a background echo of how Peter cope with this crazy world.
SS it felt like Bat-man Forever where it's just hot tunes forced in at an attempt to charge the audience in the scenes with no substances

>>85200047
>It's budget was somehow the same as BvS (250 million)
See when I read that it tells me marketing is not part of those Numbers because BvS was whored out to hell and back while SS never got a strong advertising campaign.

>>85200200
Samefag here, come to think of it i would put it at about the same as Assault on Arkham. Take that how you will i liked Assault on Arkham but felt it could have been much better, like this movie.

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>>85200200

>people laughed at Harley's "stench of Death line"

>>85197735
>>85197735
>This guy needs to be euthanized for having a different opinion than mine
>Having a different opinion than the consensus is a denial of reality
>I let RottenTomatoes shape my opinion and form my perception of reality for me

>>85200215

>They talked dirty, arguably sexist or mean spirited at times.

How so?

>>85200215
Review Brah needs to make the jump from food reviews to movie reviews.

>>85196473
Are you so incredibly fucking ignorant that you have no idea what The Dirty Dozen is?

>>85194866
Nah, its just a bunch of Marvel crybabies jealous another kid is playing in their sandbox now. DCEU has been god-tier so far.

>>85200215
>than anti-hero
By majority they are not even suppose to be that
They are villains dealing with charity at gunpoint

>>85198692
>It's better than Green Lantern and BvS
This is the lowest praise I've seen in my life.

The fact that there are people who honestly think this neutered Squad is edgy/dark/gritty/scary tells me just how gutless a lot of the recent generation has become.

>>85200277
I have no idea because I saw it and feel GotG was more i that boat then it was.
There are a lot of deleted scenes that add up with what he is saying but nothing in the film work that level.
>>85200298
work on the bait you can be better than this senpai

>>85200277
There are like 4 times where someone is called a bitch (I think everyone of them directed at a woman). Also quin calls the other guys pussies multiple times and general other cursing.

Basically what I meant by dirty or mean spirited.

I thought it was okay, I'd leave it on as background noise if it plays on television. Although I didn't like Will Smith just playing morally grey Will Smith.

>>85200397

It's the Suicide Squad, they're supposed to be assholes.

If anything the most out-of-character part of the movie is where they all wind up pulling the "we're friends/family!" camaraderie at the end. The Squad normally HATES each other, because, again, they're all assholes.

I feel like there are good characters in here, its just that the plot took over importance rather than fleshing everyone out. Nearly everything was "ok we need to get to the next set, this is so and so, lets move on". Actually come to think of it this felt like a cliff-note version of another film. Leto's Joker is hard to properly evaluate because hes barely in the movie, Will Smith is fun to watch but hes AGAIN playing himself, Harley was alright, Boomerang and Croc needed more depth/time to shine, Diablo felt like a plot device somewhat, and Kitana could have been cut entirely. Flagg by far was the worst actor there. But what really got me was the fact that the squad was so cooperative with each other. I wasnt buying the family thing and I wanted more conflict within the team

>>85200249
Yeah, i chalked it up to them not watching that scene multiple times like i did.

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>>85200397

>mfw when I realize I am the fish

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>>85200496
Will Smith played an excellent Black Spider.

>>85200563
Holy fuck that would have worked so much better

>>85200277
I seriously doubt it has anything on GotG where Peter talks about his cum stains everywhere or the fact that Ronan was called a bitch, shit nugget and turd blossom less then 10 minuets apart.

>>85198020
>contrarian because you don't like the same shitty Hollywood blockbuster I do
Can you just end yourself

>>85194866
The tomatometer only tells you what percentage of reviews are "positive" or "negative". Like a lot of aggregate sites it has a bit of trouble dealing with mediocre level reviews, so I'd wager it should be 5-15% higher than it currently is.

If you ever needed an example of a mediocre film, this is it. Its not terrible, but it rarely does anything exceptionally well. And I really hate to compare to Marvel (because we get enough company war bullshit) but even their worst films are better paced than this. This movie honestly feels like WB having an identity crisis and a perfect example of how unfocused their universe currently is. But to be fair it is a small step in the right direction

>>85200702
>of how unfocused their universe currently is

I wouldn't say that. The few bits that tied into the wider DCEU were pretty good and makes sense in the broader sense of the universe.

Where this movie fails is entirely with how it handles developing the characters it has. Now, if you meant "unfocused" in the sense of executive direction, then yes I agree completely.

>>85197687
Dad rock is a meme used by children trying to defend how shit modern music is compared to decades past

>>85200702
>even their worst films are better paced than this
for me it wasn't that bad, the only problem was that it became too run-off the mill half-way through but there is no way this movie was worse than both Thor's movies

>>85194866
RT is a pass/fail system in terms of risk and enjoyment.
Green Lantern and Suicide Squad are both high risk of not being enjoyable but that doesn't mean they are the same level as bad, rather both have a good chance of not being something you want to spend money on, hence the tomatometer you won't buy a tomato that looks like it could spoil soon in the same way you won't pay for a movie if it seems bad.


That all being said they are standing on close to the same average
4.6 to 4.7
226 reviews to 201
59 fresh to 53
167 rotten to 148

So it's about as bad.

>>85200397
Did anyone drop a fuck? I didn't notice it.
Overall, I would say it was an entertaining mess. It's not necessarily good, but if you ignore every single pacing or plot issue, it's not bad. I probably should have waited until it was on video though.

>>85200796
I'd watch the first Thor over this
Have to do a coin toss for the second one however

>>85200783
>modern music
>shit
Fuck off hipster.

>>85200835

Pretty much my opinion.

>>85200796
Its still a tough call for me, but I have to lean towards Thor because theres a character arc and gives enough depth to its side characters (except for fucking Darcy, fuck her) I really want to like SS but damn it felt like everyone was rushing to the ending

>>85194866
>Has a good audience score

You be the judge

>>85196222
Yeah, no.

People have been saying that since Cap 1.

>>85194866
As a marvel fanboy that was dragged to go see it, not that bad at all. But! Not good either, lots of issues. First time seeing the new batman do things and from what little I saw, I liked.

Liked half the cast and hated the other half.

Alright who had a teenage show in a Harley getup? Because I can recall at least one (kinda thick) when I left the theater.

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Dammit. Didn't expect to find myself on the other side of the fence so quickly.

I really dislike BvS. MoS was fine I guess but adamantly almost hate BvS.

I actually really enjoyed this. I see it's flaws but I dont think they're all that big. I'm not sure what editing issues people are specifically bringing up (besides maybe that one shadow fight with enchantress). Though I do agree that the cast was a little overblown and some meh jokes.

As a casual fan of the suicide squad, I think this move did them justice. I hope they get Black Manta (helmet and all) for the next one.

>>85200964
Keep in mind the backlash RT got from fans for this score. A good chunk of the audience ratings are probably from people who haven't seen it yet and signed up for RT just to boost it.

>>85200796

Thor had at least both constancy and character growth, and it at least got you wondering what was next for the cast

SS felt like it was trying to advertise and/or market something because the cast felt static start to finish and the plot seemed to not have much going for it in terms of making you want to talk about what happens next.

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>>85196222
That would work if the 3rd installment of Captain America 3 did as bad or worse than BvS (the first theatrical film to have the trinity meet and unite) in sales

>>85200235
>See when I read that it tells me marketing is not part of those Numbers because BvS was whored out to hell and back while SS never got a strong advertising campaign.
Nigger marketing budgets are never part of the production budget. Everyone knows that

>>85201029

There was a whole group in a row next to me that was all wearing Suicide Squad and Harley Quinn merchandise.

>>85200117
This. Although I didn't like the movie, I too wondered how did Ayer's version was like.

It's a 50% movie. Not a 20-something percent.

Mediocre and shitacular aren't the same, I feel like critics bandwagon hard today out of fear which I completely understand but its fucks up the scores so plenty of mediocre movies are rated as either fantastic or shit when they're just mediocre.

So did ANYONE understand what the deal was with Jokers hotel room? Is this what he does when depressed away from Harley, just make some random ass piece of art out of knives? Furthermore Im not entirely sold on Joker having mutual feeling for Harley now

>>85201185
So we never get a real view then of the money sunk into a project?

>>85201302
It was supposed to look cool in a trailer.

>>85201302
>Furthermore Im not entirely sold on Joker having mutual feeling for Harley now
surprisingly most are not, I'm not sure if it's because it destroys a mystery or the fact that it raises more questions then answers but a lot of people are not happy with J and H being stable as a couple.

>>85198133
Well, one of the major things is Warner Bros owns DC... but WB isn't DC.

Marvel Studios makes the Marvel movies, and Disney prefers a light touch when dealing with them because they're pretty happy with how Marvel Studios is going.

When you go see a Marvel movie, you're seeing a movie made by Marvel

When you go see a DC movie, you're seeing a movie made by WB. DC is just a brand to them.

>>85201317
Exact numbers never. Unless we get another Sony leak. But the rule of thumb is 50-100% of the budget, sometimes even more. It's why a lot of people count BvS as a bomb. 250m budget (although I've seen it argued at 300m on some places due to reshoots), bout 150-200m marketing budget, distribution, etc. Cost WB about 450m to make. First week take is generally 70% of box office domestic, 30% international, decreasing weekly as the theaters take more money, so it's generally assumed to be 50% throughout the run. So throughout it's entire run, BvS needed to make 900m at the BO for it to start making money for WB. As seen in >>85201168, it didn't.

However, that isn't accounting for merchandising, sponsors, home video, etc, but it's a fairly accurate estimate.

SS had a 175m budget, probably a 100-150m marketing budget, say it ran them about 300m in total. If it doesn't hit the 600m mark domestic + international? It's failed

>>85201317
Not unless you bother reading through fiscal reports and crunching numbers. But modern blockbuster marketing budgets can vary between 150-200 million USD, and sometimes they go even higher. Considering how expensive the production of this movie was, the marketing budget is likely in the high end. So you can safely assume that at least a couple hundred million was spent on advertising this movie.

>>85198133
>Hell, here's one even more baffling. Most fans love X-Men and Wolverine comics. But hate the movies. The movies are shit. This is essentially what Warner Brothers is doing with DC.
they are doing worse because the Masses have enjoyed many of the Xfilms
WB is burning both ends here very fast.

>>85201555
Is that where the "it has to make back at least 3 times the budget to be profitable" comes from?

I watched the movie a few hours ago. It had a fair amount of issues in regards to its overall pacing and predictability, but it wasn't a disaster. I feel like all the critics who slammed it were fishing for clicks rather than reviewing for the purpose of genuinely informing people.

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>>85201599
3 times is budget is just people taking the piss out of it. But the more it makes, the more studios use Jewish trickery to try to prevent paying out royalties and shit. Fucking Jedi still hasn't made it's budget back according to them

>>85201607
Yeah, the movie was pretty bad, but the scene where Will Smith skull fucks Enchantress's decapitated head was pretty nice

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>>85201678

>>85194866
No

I'd say on par with the better half of the Xmen movies, or first Blade flick.

>>85201599
It's a common adage that a movie has to gross at least twice its production budget at the box office to break even, but that's not always quite true. A lot of revenue can come from merchandise, licensed products, product placement, and so on. Man of Steel made hundreds of millions that way. But for a movie to be profitable by itself is always the aspiration, additional profits should just be additional.

Marketing budgets have really ballooned since the 00's. It's kind of crazy how quickly the millions pile up.

So is it better or worse than X Men Apocalypse you think?

>>85201873
worse by a good mile.
plot was "stronger" but that comes from lack of a plot.

>>85200796
Saying its not worse than the Thor films or AoU isnt really complimentary. Those films are pretty lame and I'd like this film to be more than just "not as bad as..."

Seeing it tomorrow pretty hyped desu. Liked all the DCEU so far and really hope they dont take this as a sign to make it more like the MCU

>>85201924
Being more or less like the MCU isn't the problem

Getting basic filmmaking is

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>>85201847
>or first Blade flick.

Hold on. Blade is one of my favourite films period. That's a pretty large claim to make in my eyes. Are you sure it's THAT good? because I've been seeing a lot of shit saying otherwise.

>>85202047
Its nowhere near Blade 1 or 2 anon. Is Daredevil Directors Cut more accurate?

>>85202029

The problem with the critics crying about sexism and inappropriate insults and cultural insensitivity and shit with this movie is that it's silly nitpicking when the characters are explicitly supposed to be evil jerks.

It also detracts from many legitimate complaints about the movie that they could've pointed out instead.

>>85202047
He's bullshitting you. It's worse than Blade Trinity.

>>85202029
Morgot herself didn't seem to have a problem with it, but fuck what she thinks right? She's just a woman and her honor must be protected!

Also
>Sexism

People keep using that word when they clearly know not what it means.

>>85202077
>>85202112
See that's what I thought. There was no way it was going to be on Blade's level. Daredevil sounds more appropriate.

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>>85202077
>Daredevil Directors Cut
yikes

>>85202090
True. And the film didnt really do a good job making them seem like villains being forced to do something. They should have cranked up the POS factor more

>>85201504
Marvel movies aren't really made by Marvel either though. Feige even muscled out the comic writers who were involved.

>>85202077
I think Catwoman is a more accurate comparison.

>>85196101
Not far off from this. It felt like a total disjointed mess which could have eadily been a decent movie. Disjointed, editing was messy, soundtrack got old quick. I'd rather see the original cut Ayer keeps pretending wasn't his true plan. Fuck PG 13.

>>85198559

I was vehemently fuming the entire movie.

I think I was even angrier than I was when I watched Transformers. The Baroness trash was the fucking worst. It was a disservice to her entire character.

>>85198559

It's Amazing. i love it

>>85202303
See I think thats a bit too far, because theres still minor entertainment in SS. Catwoman is absolute shite

>>85201317
This guy >>85201548 is pretty much on the money except for the final figure there

They've stated they wanted at least $800m to not fail, so the total budget would have been ~$400m

So a $225m marketing budget estimate.

>>85202242
Yeah but they're made with the characters and shit in mind. While it's not always perfect, or even good, their character portrayals are usually not too bad. They're not siamese twins with Marvel Comics, but they're still Marvel.

WB doesn't care about DC comics, except as far as they can bring in money. It's a brand. The only reason they're pushing these movies now is because there is money to be made in it.

Frankly it's good that Marvel Comics and Marvel Studios aren't too deeply connected or you'd have a script written by Bendis sooner or later.

>>85202090
>It also detracts from many legitimate complaints about the movie that they could've pointed out instead.

Legit complains don't earn clicks.

>>85202388
>They've stated they wanted at least $800m to not fail, so the total budget would have been ~$400m
Jesus they're not getting that. Not without China

>>85202388
>Marvel studios care about the comics but WB doesn't
But that's bullshit.

>>85200543
>I wasnt buying the family thing
I don't think anyone did desu. There's people on the team that only exchanged a couple words during the movie and then at the end, out of the blue, everyone's united and taking care of each other.

>>85202512
Since when in the last 16 years have WB done anything to indicate they're after anything but a cash-in?

>>85202531
The group chemistry was good enough that I buy it.

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>>85202579
By giving the movie to Snyder

>>85202531
Usually what happens when you cut important scenes out of the film, still they had good chemistry

>>85202611
You're a cruel man, anon
A cruel, hilarious man

>>85202579
What has Marvel studios done to make you believe they give a shit about the comics? It's obvious they're both using them as IP farms so I think it's bullshit to say that Marvel studio care while WB doesn't.

>>85201029
There were three chicks dressed as Harley in my showing.

Seemed underage, though

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>>85201317

It's harder to figure out with tie ins and toy sales etc.

>>85198020
Hey bro, dance battle!

>>85202655
Well the fact that Marvel Studios made the leap and created Iron Man in the first place is a big one, considering Marvel's former financial issues.

Things like Guardians of the Galaxy, another leap. No one outside of comics knew what the fuck that was.

Marvel got hella lucky that what they produce is what people are wanting, but they haven't really altered their movies to fit the publics wants.

>>85201029
>Thick teenage Harley quinn
Wew lad

>>85201400
kek


This.


And to freak mom, of course.

>>85202846
That doesn't mean they care.

>>85194866
No.

Reading about the production process of this movie makes it sound like Ayer was a crazy person put in charge of an insane asylum.

>>85202752
>>85201029
>a good reason to go and see Suicide squad in theaters.

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>>85199474

DC shill pls go

>>85202029
Margot Robbie was the one who picked out the outfit they went with for the movie. Do these numale cucks realize that pretty women enjoy flaunting their bodies?

>>85200200
I wanna put the bait pic, but this is hardly wort it!

>>85200215
fuck I'd love some pizza right now

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>>85202834

>>85202793
Who cares? Do you have a personal stake in these movie studios or something?

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>>85202929
>marvelcuck cant into opinions

>>85199733
Which S U C K E D. Fucking campy 90s action movie throwback with high budget SFX. They actually had a "training sequence" which ends with one of them besting their best guy (Snake Eyes). CC was brother to Baroness, best friend to Duke, and Destro was having CC make Baroness love Destro's dick. Fuck. Off.

>>85202826
>get censored on 4chan

Welcome to Moots Republic of Hitlerstan

>Have fun, scumbag

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>>85202962
nope

>>85201873
Worse.

The DCEU's American national security officials really are the fucking worst at their jobs.

>>85201168
Marvel is the exception to the rule at this point.

>>85203146
lmao wtf

It's way too long and boring

>>85201029
All the ushers at my showing (and the other screens showing the movie) were dressed in costume. Our theater had Katana and Harley ushers.

>>85202635
Yeah, I wish it was possible to watch the version of the movie pre-Warner meddling

>>85203205
Where they cute?

>>85203254
Katana usher took my tickets and she was pretty. Harley usher was too far away to tell.

CHAKA CHAKA

>>85202969
My only regret is not recording the moment on my cellphone and uploading it for maximum anal damage you fucking console warrior

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I just got back from a showing.

I enjoyed it. Like I said in another thread, if we're being fair then the rating should be anywhere from 55% to 75%. I honestly think Disney bought negative reviews. I say that last part with all honesty. Ghostbusters is a perfect example of either fear or money affecting reviews. Sony lead the way, and it looks like Disney followed.

Now, this isn't the say this film is faultless or great. It's simply enjoyable. It had a lot of places that were cringe worthy, and some that were unexpectedly campy to the point where it caused me to break into genuine, non malicious laughter.

The plot isn't difficult to follow, and the editing, while far from perfect, isn't confusing at all. I have no clue what the majority of these RT people were harping on about, but money talks and honest reviews walk.

Again, here me out, this movie wasn't TDK or Batman Begins. No, it wasn't close to being that good. However, it was leagues better than TDKR, BvS, and MoS.

So, take all of that as you will. I think Disney is fucking with reviews like Sony did with Ghostbusters.

No, I'm not saying that this movie defeated Marvel's films.

Winter Soldier, Civil War, and Ironman are all better than this film by a good 10 to 20 points.

I did enjoy this way more than Avenger or GOTG. Avengers felt like a fan wank, and GOTG was nothing like what I read.

That's just my take though.

Oh, and if you haven't seen it, rest easy, Waller is perfect.

I really liked Courtney as Boomerang. Especially the part where he was a cheeky motherfucker using Slipknot as a test dummy. Dude was criminally underused and I hope he comes back in something Flash related.

>>85203205
Was the Katana AZN?

>>85196129
so guardians of the galaxy then>?

>>85203622
Also maybe just maybe, a SS2. That isn't chopped to shit.

>>85203553
>if we're being fair then the rating should be anywhere from 55% to 75%.
The percentage rating is an indicator of how many critics gave the movie a positive review. By saying the percentage should be higher than it is you're just stating that they should like it more than they do, as if that's something obvious for someone in the minority to claim of them.

>>85196129
But it was nothing like GOTG. You'd realize this if you'd actually seen it. GOTG was a straight up action comedy. SS wasn't

>>85194866
If anything that pic should show the disconnect between critics and audiences.

>>85201317
they inflate the numbers because then they can claim a loss and not pay taxes on profit.
Civil War cost only 35 million and didn't even break even

>>85203677
Of course, that too

>>85202029
>sexism
Margot isn't going to sleep with you

>>85203712
I got back from this earlier, went for the 7pm 3d showing and the theater was dead, 10 people in it. Although they where doing 2 theaters with all day showings.

Was a painfully boring and predictable movie that was all Will Smith and whoever was playing Harley, Leto was a miscast just like Jesse Eisenburg.

>>85203645
Yep

>>85203553
Check the average score rating instead of the percentage rating senpai.

Waller was so fucking great. I hope she's in a JL movie somewhere down the line desu.

>>85198855
HONKA HONKA

Honestly? It's bad but not as bad as the critics make it out to be. The movie suffers from cut content and bad editing. Off the top of my head: the bar scene, Joker slapping Harley around (likely to make their relationship less "problematic"), Joker with the burned face holding a grenade, "I can't wait to show you my toys", etc.

Characterization is all over the place too. Deadshot doesn't feel like Deadshot at all, but the normies won't care and will think Will Smith delivered a stellar performance.

Batman, who killed 50 people in B v S, jumps after Joker and Harley with the intention of saving them from drowning?

Waller seemed really toned down for some reason and caves into the criminals' demands? She doesn't owe them shit. They should be glad she doesn't blow their heads off then and there.

Repetetive dialogue, which amounts to nothing ("We're the bad guys!" "Pussies!")

Joker being in love with Harley and every scene he's in being about her.

Underdeveloped characters.

The list goes on.

I rewatched The Rock not so long ago, and honest to God, the dialogue is less stilted in that movie than the dialogue in Suicide Squad.

I give it a solid 60%.

Needed better editing and pacing in the Waller montage and rooftop helicopter scene.

Joker was cringe. Harley and Boomer were good.

Deadshot was Will Smith. Kek'd at "deaf hoe".

Best character was El Diablo. No bad jokes, great backstory.

>>85204160
>Batman, who killed 50 people in B v S
Well memed!

>>85198809
HONKA HONKA

>>85204542
You've literally been spamming this in every thread. Go to /tv/ if you want to force a meme.

>>85204160
Pretty much what I thought. But I really liked Deadshot.


>>85204212
Yeah, I didn't like Joker at all, from the way he talked to how he carried himself.

>Let's just say I threw them in a hole and threw away the hole.

Captain Boomerang
Fetish: Pink unicorns

>>85194866
Well apparently, it's already made more money than the Ghostbusters reboot.

So take that as you will.

>>85198809
He had zero theatrical flair. It was like watching a Joker fan trying to awkwardly do a Joker impression: just bursts of spergy "MOM'S GONNA FREAK" between long gaps of grim, serious gangster dude. None of it gelled.

>>85205297
>just bursts of spergy "MOM'S GONNA FREAK" between long gaps of grim, serious gangster dude

Didn't see much of that. Especially since he is barely even in the movie.

>>85205360
Like when he held up the Joker smile tattoo in front of his face, for example. It just felt very affected to me.

>>85205297
>>85205426

Agreed. The way he hissed every time before talking was another thing that made me cringe, besides the manneirisms that you mentioned.

>>85200606
After you, bro. :^)

>>85200200
>The crowed applauded at the end of the movie.

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>>85203146
>comic books are known for their inclusiveness and fair protrayals of women
lol what?

>>85194866
Objectively it's a mess but I enjoyed it a like I had some fun in the cinema... While I didn't have much fun in BvS.

as a DCfag all I want is a objectively good DCWB movie

>>85208198
Just wait for that Ben Affleck directed/written Solo Bat-flick.

>>85208198
>Objectively it's a mess
It really isn't

>>85208393
Do I really want it at this point

No. It's a good flick. Go in expecting a serviceable movie and a fun time and you'll get that. It's easily worth the price of admission.

Though it's not saying much, it's a far better entry than BvS and MOS.

>>85208499
Well, do You want something to hope for? There you go.

>>85208451

This. I never once felt lost and the Flashbacks never felt like they came at inappropriate times.

>>85208521
This. Though I've become less jaded recently so it could be some of that too.

>>85194866
It's about as bad as Deadpool. I don't get why Shitpool got a free pass for a fresh rating though.

>>85208451
The editing was choppy, the characters were roughly handled, they wasted some great music on unimportant moments and didn't use it properly when they tried. Don't get me wrong, I had a fun time but it certainly could've been made better

It was a little roughly made but it no way deserves the low ratings it's getting.

>>85208608

Deadpool was the best cape film this year. I honestly don't know how people think Civil War is. You would have to turn your brain off completely to enjoy the airport fight or you just question why Vision didn't do anything

>>85208698
Because Disney gets a free pass on stupid shit.

>>85194866
yes yes it was. i have never wanted to walk out of a movie theatre before.. and i saw ALL of green lantern

>>85208698
I agree with you about Civil War. The airport fight was cool and all but it was so dumb.

>>85208698
>Deadpool was the best cape film this year.
If you have the taste of a high school freshman, that is

>>85208698
Deadpool was bland and generic.

https://youtu.be/Zracw8FQG6Y

This Joker was good. It's a shame over half his scenes got cut. If WB were smart they'd release a Joker cut of the movie and let Ayer edit it how he intended - I don't buy the bullshit of him saying this is his cut, he's just trying to save face and not burn bridges.

>>85208780
How to spot someone that hasn't seen it.

>>85208698
>>85208791
What was wrong about the airport fight

>>85203553
>I honestly think Disney bought negative reviews. I say that last part with all honesty.
You're a moron.

>>85208810
Oh no, I buy that it's his cut, but I think his original idea had a longer running time so he got told to cut some stuff out and make it shorter. Still his cut, though.

>>85208794

It's action and humor was better than Civil War. He also had a more fleshed out and believable character than anybody in Civil War which is a complete embarrassment considering how many movies these characters have had. Seems people give CW a free pass for the dumb shit it did

>Spider-Boy come fight for me against these superpowered people, because reasons
>OK we made enough money off your appearance now, fuck off
>Wow dude it's Ant-Man out of a van!
>I'll get involved in a conflict I have no stake in that will make me a criminal again. Fuck my daughter and my own story, right?

>>85208843
It's overrated

>>85208871
Maybe, but he's also right.

I think what is so bad about it is that if it had nothing at all to do with DC, it would still be a terrible film.

>They don't use their villain that much
>They don't use their biggest name that much
>It's slow as shit
>The action scenes are all filler instead of filler leading to the action scenes
>They literally blow people up just to have them come back like bad fan fiction
>They turn their sex symbols (Robbie and Leto) into meth heads and a dirty homeless woman (enchantress) which wouldn't be an issue if they weren't so obviously trying to play up the sexy vibe
>they were given 6 weeks to write a script and no formal training in shooting for CGI and it all shows (hot topic bumper sticker one liners, giving Will Smith nonsensical black jokes, MOMS)
>People in my theater left asking "who was the green haired guy and where was the Joker?" because Leto was so out of character.

It's a mess all around. I don't get at all why anyone likes it. Do you guys really think this has redeemable qualities to it?

>>85208843

Watch it again and wonder why Vision isn't used. He flies at Caps group and then he's just sorta gone

>>85208879
I don't know, I haven't seen CW but Deadpool was bland and generic, the humor was hit and miss(more muss) the action scenes were nothing special, the CGI sucked and the story was so uninspired.

>>85208874

Let me rephrase. I don't buy that this was his movie. After the Bohemian Rhapsody trailer, WB forced him to make the entire movie like that. I want to see Ayer's original vision, which was probably more like the first Comic Con trailer.

>>85208902
>>People in my theater left asking "who was the green haired guy and where was the Joker?"

Do you honestly believe anyone believes this shit? You fags don't even try to sound realistic. No one fucking says shit like that at movie theaters.

>>85196124
That's the problem with sites like Rotten Tomatoes, there's no middle ground. Its either good or bad, there's no 'eh' option.

>>85194866
Really wished Deadshot would wear his mask more often.

>>85208971
>>85208874
>>85208810

I don't think that Ayer had a good movie to begin with. He was commissioned to write a script in 6 weeks after their initial writer, Justin Marks, was let go. It can take months upon months to write a solid script (there's a reason Nolan took 4 years between films) and yet Ayer was tasked to write the next DC blockbuster in less than 2.
The other thing that tips me off that this would never have been a good film is just how god awful everyone's acting is. Will Smith and Viola Davis don't want to be there and are phoning in lines at some points, Margot Robbie is doing her best to imitate the Arkham games, and Leto is so far from what the Joker is as a character that he doesn't even feel like he's supposed to be in the movie (would have made a great mob boss in a totally unrelated film tho.)

Other edit be damned, this film was dead in the water from the start. Nothing could have saved this film, and Ayer never stood a chance.

>>85208879
>>>85208794
>It's action and humor was better than Civil War. He also had a more fleshed out and believable character than anybody in Civil War
Elaborate

>>85208982

Ok to be fair it was some dumb sorority girl who probably had no idea who anyone was period, but the point still stands that Leto wasn't doing a good job conveying the Joker as this crazy fucker with no end game.

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>>85208902
>People in my theater left asking "who was the green haired guy and where was the Joker?"

>>85209063
>Will Smith and Viola Davis don't want to be there

I don't believe this is true. Especially from Will Smith

It was ok. it wasn't awful. It wasn't great. Just ok. It was like the first transformers. Or Iron man 2. I was entertained and didn't feel like I wasted my money. I even laughed now and then. batman v superman was a terrible movie. 7/10

A question for anyone who's seen the movie, do they ever explain why they brought along Captain Boomerang?

>>85209229
Nope.

>>85202305
I was about to ask if they did similar, cutting room floor antics with suicide squad that happened with BvS.

>>85197161
>It's an action superhero movie though.

It's an action movie. It's not supposed to be good!

That's what you're saying, right?

>>85208879
>>85208843
>>85208908

I think the Russos are terrified of Vision and I honestly can't blame them. He's a game changer. Up until now the MCU heroes have been incredibly weak compared to their comic book selves except for Vision. If they want to have their heroes match him the MCU will decend into a never ending power creep and if they don't have the othr heroes math him you just ask 'Why don't they just send vision?" I never saw the Super soiders as a credible threat because of this. There is nothing they could do if Vision went in to stop them.

The russos avoided him whenever they could. He wasn't in Africa even though he is a New Avenger, he could have stayed in the air and only joined in if shit hit the fan, which it did, and it's something a tactical genius like Cap would have factored in. He didn't do anything at the airport until the Russos wanted to end the fight.

There's no doubt in my mind that Thanos will kill Vision in the next Avengers movie when he takes him gem. It really is for the best

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>>85194866
>2016
>still caring about capeflicks

Capeshit is the manifestation of a relativist, nihilist society.
Individuals these days don't know their roots, they don't have culture, they don't believe in God anymore.
They don't know what is right or wrong, therefore the subconscious full of insecurity brings them to retire into the infantile world of the comic books they read while they were still innocent and young, in which good and evil are easy to spot, good always wins. In which evil is abominable instead of alluring and addictive as it is in their daily lives, that are so empty and far away from how human life should be that they prefer to pretend it doesn't exist, that genre is only a social construct, that life is one big sesame street episode, etc. etc.
It is no accident that tumblrfags and all sorts of plebs and normalfags chug this abhorrent shit down like it was Coca-cola in 1886.

You faggots go on and on about "muh capeshit is better", "no mine is better", and don't realise you are slave to the inhabitable world you help nourish by refusing to see it in all its despicable reality.

>>85209398
How much does working at Hot Topic pay?

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>>85209437
Do they work for tips too?

>>85209398
BvS was a good movie though.

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>>85209437
don't know but halloween is coming so...

>>85209490
wow, working there must be a truly depressing experience.

>>85209516
You could say the staff there are some kinda Suicide Squad

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>>85209534

>>85209490

How does the manager get paid so little? I got paid more than that when I was the assistant department manager at a Supermarket

>>85204509
Yes, I'm obviously exaggerating, but my point still stands. DCEU is a clusterfuck.

>>85198559
>>85198535
I thought the second GI Joe movie was fun.
There's shit like explosive rocket motorcycles, badguy is masquerading as the president, Gods Rods, and cliffside ninja battles. Shit was A+.

Dialog was shit.

Plot was shit.

Main Villain was shit.

Pacing was shit.

Acting was shit.

The entire movie was a feces riddled toilet in the shape of Harley Quinn.

>26%
>4.7
That's three strikes. Might as well stop making these movies.

>>85210109
But what about Suicide Squad?

There's leaked emails from Sony talking about gaming Rotten Tomatoes.

>>85211345

You can't just say that and not post it

>>85209229
They brought along meta-humans and people with experience in fighting metas.

>>85209241
Waller LITERALLY SAYS, when introducing Boomer, "He has no powers but he's had experience dealing with metas"

>>85202029
>A.V. Club

Auduences are going to blow critics the fuck out with this movie.

Deservedly so.

>>85211503
>He has no powers but he's had experience dealing with metas"

Getting BTFO'd by Flash? I swear I heard Boomer call him "The Red Streak"

>>85211625
Well yeah, every villain gets BTFO. They still want them since they're basically specialists

>>85211654

Yeah but they didn't fight. It was literally 5 seconds and Boomerang was down. That's not really experience

>>85194866

Nope. Its a good movie.

>>85211669
That's more than anyone else.

>>85197080
I have plenty of movies and games I consider guilty pleasures, you can still enjoy something and recognise its flaws. My biggest peeve is with anyone who has a fetish, the second it appeals to them it's 10/10 and they end up latching onto the worst trash without mentioning the problems it has. I like furry but I can't take their recommendations seriously at all.

>>85194866
It had worse shaky cam than Russo brothers fight scenes, the jokes were pretty cringeworthy, the costumes sucked and the movie looked like it was shot through a permanently dark filter, like it was difficult to see what was going on sometimes, especially in fight scenes, you couldn't see who was doing what and if the person getting beaten was the protagonist or one of the villains. Also didn't explain why the villain was doing anything wrong, just started doing something dangerous that looked cool and never told us why. CGI of Incubus and the minions wasn't very good either.

>>85194866
>45 vs 74

Here's your answer

>>85203553
>Avengers felt like a fan wank, and GOTG was nothing like what I read.
Hard to believe someone with such shitty taste.

>>85208990
You should look at the average rating just below the big xx%.

>>85209581
Speaking of Suicide Squads, Ichirukis.

>>85197161
You do know that there are good and bad actions movies. There a reason why people like the Die Hard trilogy but won't watch the 4th and 5th installments a second time for their life.

>>85197080
Of course not. You can like something and still perceived its flaws. I really like Interstellar but I can talk for tens of minutes of its flaws.

>>85202029
Where did this overwhelming sympathy for Harley and the expectation of a pure, bazinga throwing heroine come from?

>>85212168
shes a girl

>>85197677
Action scenes being filler in an action movie is really worrisome. And you're not the first saying that.

And the first Avengers has some good lines, a good last action sequences and not really anything else hence the uninteresting first hour. It's not the epitome of a good Marvel movies.

>>85202388
>It's a brand
Warner's president is a marketer. It makes the problem with the movies self explanatory.

>>85196101
Yeah, but Man with the Iron Fists at least had a lot of cool disparate elements that, perhaps didn't make up for a kind of jumbled and rushed plot line, but did make it a memorable experience for me.
Does Suicide Squad feature such a unique amalgam of ideas that make it memorable?

>>85202896
Really? I've only read about production being rushed, multiple editing teams with differents goals and anxious Warner's exec. Not enough time in production is enough to get a badly shot movie and problems in the editing room just make it worse.

It was fucking great, fuck critics and fuck anyone else who disliked it.

I wouldn't bother for bad critics if it wasn't for the fact that it might mean the premature end of the DCEU.

Fuck you again.

>>85208499
Affleck directed at least two good movies.

>>85203723
You're right, Suicide Squad was only a comedy snoozefest.

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Does anyone remember what prompted Suicide Squad was WB scared to death that Marvel (well, specifically Sony in this case) was going to get an early lock on the ensemble supervillain movie niche with their planned Sinister Six spin-off?

WB greenlit and rushed out Suicide Squad to compete with that cancelled product. Cracks me up.

WB is so bad at ripping off other studios that they copy failed properties. You can't make this shit up.

>>85208843
Each scenes composing the fight work well but they didn't seem to be really link together, to form a coherent whole.
And more problematic, the lack of stakes. Even if you don't think these people will kill each other, the idea of the losers ending in a special prison should be worrisome but you don't know it at this moment of the movie.
It feels like they're playing a game rather than fighting. And maybe that was the intent, but if it was, they shouldn't have made it an important sequence in the movie.

>>85210982
#criticlivesmatter

>>85211345

I don't know about RT, but Sony has gotten in trouble in the past for paying for fake reviews. For example: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/sony-pays-for-fake-reviews/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Manning_(fictitious_writer)

If you respect yourself and and your money, don't go see this film.

Why when GL failed did WB shut down all current plans for the DCCU while despite with DOJ and SS, they're still determined to continue?

>>85194866

Rotten Tomatoes is full of SHIT! I've watch this movie and it is actually decent enough to be enjoyable.

>>85213568

RT is just a review aggregate site

Why is it always about RT and not Metacritic? Score's not so hot there either

>>85213500
Because a)Two failures in a row to kickstart a franchise would look super embarrassing and b)MoS didn't really do that bad. It was polarizing but sort of okay received

>>85204212
El Diablo was barely a character, bro

>>85210982
More like three home runs.

>>85211900
This isn't even accounting for company war fanboys who will downvote everything DC makes.

>>85213962
...or upvote everything DC makes

>>85194866
I thought it was great.

>>85213990
But there are far more Marvel fanboys than DC fanboys in the general public, wouldn't you say?

>>85213663
I think Rotten Tomatoes is seen as more universal or more in tune with what audiences are saying. There's been a handful of movies recently though where critics reviews and user reviews have been wildly different.

>>85214040
Why would you assume all/most Marvel fans would be irrationally bullying anything by DC?

>>85208908
>>85209312
Vision was there to prevent cap team from fleeing.
You can see that at the moment were they were all trying to escape, its him who stoped them. This was the point of ant-man diversion by the way, because he turned giant Vision is forced to fight giant-man which allow cap and bucky to go to the quinjet.