SUICIDE SQUAD discussion thread #1

>>85182933
I haven't seen MoS or BvS, should I bother with this or just wait till it hits dvd? I am curious (black) but not sure if it's worth ticket price.

I had a lot of fun with the movie. It turned out a lot better than I had expected, even if the final act was a bit weak.

Gangbanger Mayan Satan is GOAT

>>85182996
Ayer said that we won't be seeing his cut so I wouldn't bother with the Bluray.

There's nothing else worth seeing this weekend or next (Sausage Party) so I'd say go see it just to see how bad it is and how much wasted potential is there.

>>85182933

I enjoyed BvS a lot but didn't like Suicide Squad.

With a movie like this I expected there to be lots of character development throughout the scenes of everyone interacting with each other, but it's all shoved into just a couple scenes with no clear path of development between them.

Katana and Croc and Boomerang got fuck all in terms of development and are just there. Conveniently forgotten during the Last Temptation thing Enchantress throws at them, for example.

Hated Leto's Joker (but I dislike the Joker a lot already), hated the fucking need to cram a pop song into every other scene for no good reason.

There's a couple good parts (Waller was great, Shockingly enjoyed Deadshot and Harley a lot more than I expected) but overall the movie's a complete mess that doesn't know how to deal with an ensemble cast.

>>85183127
Ayer said that during the films hype campaign.
I'm sure WB will say something else during the Blu-Ray hype campaign

I think it'd be easier to explain what I actually got excited about for this movie because honestly it just bored me most of the time

>most everything Waller does. Straight up executing the other FBI agents was a huge shock but totally fitting with her character
>Deadshot is actually pretty well played, they play up the "heart of gold" thing too much though
>Diablo goes full Flame God at the end
>Most of the spooky scenes with Enchantress are really cool and have some great cinematography and design
>The five second Flash cameo

>>85183338
Ayer said it yesterday that the theatrical is the only cut, about the cut scenes he said it's natural for a movie to have them and fans shouldn't fantasize too much about what they don't know, or something about that line

The whole "we are real friends and a real family" conclusion is so contrary to the message of the comic book Squad. It's such a lame Hollywood finish to the movie, and it isn't even set up by how the first half of the movie rolls out. There is no middle part to the movie, you skip from prolonged and weirdly cut intros to the conclusive stretch. And Enchantress and Joker were just fucking embarrassing. Also, Jesus fucking Christ, that bombardment of music tracks was so clearly some studio exec mandating the film try to emulate GotG.

The only 100% good thing about the movie was Waller.

>>85183476
If you talk about cutting a film a lot and then what you see could so evidently do with some more meat on the bone, it's natural that people are going to ask what was cut.

If I didn't like MoS and BvS, will I enjoy this?

>>85183813
It's not really a similar film

i think kevin tsujihara needs to step down as ceo of wb and let someone who actually cares take over so the missteps that happened with this movie don't have to happen again because a ceo wants to undermine a director every step of the way.

>>85183813
Yes, almost everyone that didnt like Bvs liked this movie, and almost everyone the did like Bvs hated this movie.

>>85183852
I'm not looking for a cinematic masterpiece, just something that will keep me entertained for 2 hours. BvS bored me to death.

A few random thoughts:

Enchantress final form looks like shit, so dies her brother. Care can't act her way out of a paper bag. The moving bits are awkwardly done and never quite earned. Jared Joker didn't let much of a impression. It was a mix of not particularly liking his take and his subdued role in this.

Jai Courtney, Viola Davis and Will Smith stole the show. Editing was a mess and it's one of the worst uses of soundtrack in some time. Croc make up looked great on screen. Diablo had a lot of potential, but his arc felt rushed. The generic monsters were really fucking weak.

>>85183847
Post-release the stuff Ayer has been saying has kind of owned this cut. It's his.

>>85183926
>The generic monsters were really fucking weak.
I quite liked how they looked like Argus desu, in that they were covered in eyes.

>>85183291
>Conveniently forgotten during the Last Temptation thing Enchantress throws at them, for example.
Such a missed opportunity. Just throw in something about her husband and go for the biggest laugh of all showing what goes inside Boomerang mind. Seriously it was such a clear setup I felt cheated when it didn't come.

>>85183963
It's not like they did anything with that scene though. They went for the most boring shit. Flag is with June Moon, Deadshot kills Batman, Harley and Ivy are a happy ordinary domestic couple, Diablo didn't kill his family.

It would have been much more interesting for them to see real selves that didn't quite line-up with who they thought they were. You know, like often happens in Ostrander's actual Suicide Squad run. The movie absolutely squandered itself.

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>>85182933
it was certainly better than BvS and MoS, certians things felt obviusly cut and i pit the blame of its failure on the edditing and cuts

despite this, the movie was better then i thought, Joker was good and i thought id hate him a lot, hated how only Dadshot, Quinn, and Diablo had any development and i hated how a certain character only showed up to die

i ship Boomerang with Katana now tho

>>85183852
I didn't like MoS nor BvS and I didn't like SS either.....WB is making it very hard to be a DC fanboy

>>85183926
>Diablo had a lot of potential, but his arc felt rushed
Fuck El Diablo. He was a fucking monster and the movie wanted to put him across as sympathetic.

>>85183852
i liked BvS and thought it was okay, this movie was a dozen times better

>>85182933
>I shouldn't have read the /tv/ spoilers from a month ago since they were completely correct.

Which spoilers were correct?

Overall I'd say 6/10

>Katana literally didn't talk to a single character her entire time on screen, only things we find out about her are due to Flagg explaining it

>Killer Croc did nothing the entire time, it seemed like they were trying to comment on society's view of beauty but decided to say fuck that

>Enchantress and her brother (pretty sure they never really gave him a name in the movie) were never fleshed out in the slightest

>the whole Joker and Harley thing ended up being neutered as fuck

I did like Deadshot and the soundtrack was pretty decent.

>>85184307
This pisses me off the most, if you're going to take on a project with more than two to three quirky super powered characters they all need equal turns in the spotlight

So much potential could have been had with Croc and Boomerang but it turned out to be "Deadshot and Friends: The Movie"

>>85183935
>>85183476
If that's the only FINAL cut they made then I want to see Ayers previous cuts because multiple sources such as >>85184037, Hollywood Reporter
and Leto himself have said there's a shit ton been cut

>>85184414
nigga died on arrow for this

he was one of the only good characters left and probably would've made the hive season more tolerable

Tbh, I enjoyed the movie, even if the edits were shit

>>85183374
I'm glad that captain boomerang is establish as Flash villian.

Also el diablo, enemies didn't attack him becasue his peace state was amazing.

>>85184307
The most characterful interaction Katana has in the entire movie is when Rick Flag and Amanda Waller are talking apart from the squad and Katana is standing in front of the whole squad facing them down in the background, just waiting for someone to make a move. What a waste of a character.

>>85184544
Don't forget that Deadshot gets into the room 3 seconds later

>>85184508
I only miss a scene from trailers that one when joker shots a machine gun and his face it is been burned

>>85182933
The beginning was the weakest part to me very by the numbers and jumps all over the place.
The only gets good once the team finally forms and kicks ass with navy seals

NORMAL IS JUST A SETTING ON A WASHING MACHINE

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>another day of shooting
>WB on my ass about editing the film even more
>Jared fucking left a used condom in Karen's trailer or someshit fucking hell
>Margot is giving Kinnaman a SKWAD tattoo? where the hell did she get an ink gun?
>holy shit I have to direct a fucking scene like NOW
>Jai is on the fucking shrooms again

So, was joker a literal cuckold? Like was he planning to jerk off while watching the dude fuck Harley?

I'm a Marvelcuck and I enjoyed the hell out this. All the actors brought their A-game to this and every single character is way better written than anyone in MoS and BvS. The quality of the movie does drop immensely in the second half though. It really didnt deserve to be ravaged by critics.

Remember how DCucks were saying the reason nobody liked BvS was because it was a film for DC fans but we all knew that was a bullshit excuse? THIS is a film for DC fans. There are so much DCU easter eggs peppered throughout this film and I got giddy catching them all.

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>>85184704
>Harley dream
>She hits normal state on the washing machine

FUCKING

BRAVO

>>85184774
also paul allen cameo form americna psycho

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>>85184307
Katana almost literally only spoke in japanese so that's understandable the rest of the characters can't understand her.

Killer croc was based he didn't talk much but when he did it was funny

Enchantress sucked hate the voice dub

Harley and Joker was cute and I realize that was entirely down to presenting their relationship in a way that's palpable for the GA but still very cute

Deadshot was indeed the best part of the movie. Deadshot movie when

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>We couldn't protect their smiles.

Fuck you, Warner.

>>85184544
wasn't there a scene where she was crying in japanese to her dead husband

>>85184746
I think he just wanted to kill him, he dies for trying to fuck his girl, he dies for not wanting to fuck his girl implying she is ugly.

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>>85184790
Friend of mine actually whispered "hey Paul!" during that

>>85183338
Ayer said there were only like 10 minutes that weren't added

>>85184746
He was playing one of his mind games
If he said yes he'd die
If he said no he'd die for disrespecting his offer

>tfw not enough boomer
Fucking best character by far 20/10 10000000/100 performance but he is hardly in the film

>>85184847
Also I think /tv/ will lose his shit when "ain't me" start playing.

By the way, I think the film is comic-y with all that stuff with flasback with batman and flash.


Another missing scene:
when everybody ask for a drink in the pub

>>85184912
I agree. This and missing scenes are the only bad part from the film

Is there going to be a extended edition like BvsS or LOTR?

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>>85184843
ace chemicals scene was just a bit too romantic. I mean Joker and Harley are not role models with some epic love story

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>>85184912
He was so funny
He had the best comedy in the movie, I wish he had more scenes
>when he immediately ran out of the bar

Is it X-Men Apoc-tier at least? That movie was garbage but I stil had a lot of fun while watching it.

>>85184747
>I'm a Marvelcuck
>THIS is a film for DC fans.

>>85183291
>>85183963
Yeah I was expecting to see Boomerang in a tutu and tiara riding on a CGI pink unicorn with a beer in his hand, but it never happened. Could have been right before the Diablo dream too.

>>85184715
Karen said Leto gave her a signed porn mag and a bunch of sex toys and her mom saw it and now thinks she's a whore

>>85184544
>>85184307
>she was forced into tattooing for this

>>85184979
Yea more or less. I found them both fun but both of the films cut out the best characters and felt too bare bones

>both films have qt azns
>both qt azns have like 4 fucking lines

>>85184544

Flagg talked more about his mission with Will Smith than with Katana.

I firmly believe you have an IQ less than 90 if you at any point thought this was a good movie. This was unequivocally worse than any DC bomb.

>good guy dead shot
>Jared Leto's godawful hot topic teen joker
>Margot Robbie's meth head Harlee
>they used no one else for anything other than cool poses when the team does something "edgy"
>They abandoned the bombs which is what makes the team Suicide Squad because "pg-13"
>Enchantress is looks like a dirty homeless woman and they make her a prominent figure 2 times even though she's supposed to be the main antag
>Viola Davis has more lines than most of the villains
>The script is unbearable. People were leaving the theater after Harlee lines

There was nothing redeeming here. It's not an "ok" film, it's not "redeemable if there's a directors cut", it's not edgy or anything worth making a movie about. It is the most bottom of the barrel derivative Columbine shooter's wet dream crap that made it onto the screen because they had already pumped tons of money into it and couldn't back out once they realized the entire project was bunk. You can tell the big names (Smith, Davis, even Leto at some points) were really there for the dollars, and not the idea that this would be a good film. By the end of it, even Robbie is phoning in lines from Arkham. It's bad all around and the only reason people like it is because they're butthurt that this film marks the slow decline and phasing out of cape films in the media.

I for one welcome my space travel genre overtaking.

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My car broke down on the way to the theater.

Studios need to stop casting Cara Develigne. She's is ugly and not a good actress.

I actually really enjoyed Flag, who I was sure was going to be boring

>>85185149
>the only reason people like it is because they're butthurt that this film marks the slow decline and phasing out of cape films in the media.
kek, say that once a Marvel movie bombs

>I for one welcome my space travel genre overtaking.
Is this Mark Millar?

>>85185207
She's definitely ugly, which makes her a good choice for her character, but what was wrong with her acting?

>>85183963
Seriously. As soon as this part started I turned to a friend and said "look, they're all gonna have these super emotional moments they don't wanna leave, and Digger's gonna be sitting on a chair made of cash, on the beach, with a Four Loko in his hand and a babe in his lap and he's gonna be all 'Eh, I can get all this shit anyway,' break out of it, and help the team."

But, no.

>>85184032
>Harley and Ivy are a happy ordinary domestic couple
>Harley and Ivy
Are you trying to ruse me, anon?

>>85185278
How someone so ugly ended up in Victoria's Secret?

>>85185261
I didn't like Civil War or Ultron. I thought both were pretty terrible, but Marvel fags seem to want to keep this corpse alive as long as possible. I don't think there's be an ok marvel film since Winter Soldier.

>>85185298
Sorry, Freudian slip.

>>85185327
But those movies made serious $$$. We're nowhere near the end of cape movies yet.

>>85185327
Oh, here we go. Lets keep going with this.

>Deadshot's dream is killing Batman rather than just being with his daughter

Clashed with the "look at this guy, he's got a heart of gold" message they hammered throughout the movie.

>>85184982
I like both companies but learn towards Marvel.

>>85185149
Lying won't make the movie worse, kid.

>>85185380
It was because he saw not killing Batman as putting him in that situation, I guess?

>>85185397
Samefag here. Meant to say *lean

>>85185356
I agree, we still have the entire Marvel line up to complete, but I think they're starting to get smart and they may end it at Avengers Three/GotG3.

I personally don't think they'll make it to Avengers 4 or a Black Widow movie.

>>85185380
When is he portrayed as having a heart of gold? With the exception of the retarded not shooting Harley part everything he does for the whole film is motivated by him being a macho asshole or wanting to provide for his daughter

>>85185380
Well yeah, he's not a good guy. That's the point of the movie.

>>85185309
No idea. I don't work there.

>>85185427
They won't stop until they stop making money. If people pay to see the film they will keep making the film

Literally "Guardians of the Galaxy: Hot Topic Edition".

But I didn't hate it. 4/10.

Katana a cute. Useless but a cute.

>>85183852

I liked BvS and I liked this one too. Different movies it's all

>>85185427
I don't think they'll make an Avengers 4 either, but I think they will take a shot at launching a new franchise.

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>>85183639
>Also, Jesus fucking Christ, that bombardment of music tracks was so clearly some studio exec mandating the film try to emulate GotG.

I was thinking the exact same thing. It reached a point where it got annoying for me.

>my face by the 10th song

>>85185464
Not with budgets like Marvel. If they can't break even anymore, they'll stop making them. And with the budgets that they have, they bank on these movies being huge. The issue with that is that the bigger the budget, the more they have to rely on good opening weekends and word of mouth to continue to make revenue. If people lose interest, they'll stop making movies.

>>85184747
>There are so much DCU easter eggs peppered throughout this film and I got giddy catching them all
You'll lose your mind watching the Lego movies.

>>85185414
You have an IQ less than 90

Honest to God one of the worst films I've seen in the last five years.

The pacing was non existent, the story was bare bones and the dialogue was just awkward.

The editing was the worst part, though. The scenes just bonked into eachother and the music just plopped into the background of the scenes at the beginning was just laughable. Same for the beat for beat recreation of the trailer at the end.

>>85185490
I literally started laughing when Spirit in the Sky started playing because I thought of all the Dcucks that were shitposting for months about how there's no trace of influence by GotG at all and Gunn didn't invent putting 70s music into trailers.

Movie was good though aside from that, I enjoyed it.

>>85184062
How is he a monster? He's pretty much the only one on the squad actually trying to do good for the sake of it. He was a monster. But as he said, that man is dead, he died in the fire with his family.

>>85185149
>They abandoned the bombs
Wait, wat? That's the first time I'm hearing that they didn't have the neckbombs. How the fucking fuck do they keep them from going all Natural Born Killers if they don't have them tethered with neckbombs??

>>85185280
>Digger's gonna be sitting on a chair made of cash, on the beach, with a Four Loko in his hand and a babe in his lap
You. You, I like.

>>85185628
He, above the others, knew what great powers comes at a price.

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>>85185628
To me, personally, I can't buy El Diablo's redemptive arc. There's absolutely no excuse or shred of decency in what he did: he was a gang boss, he killed lots of people, he got angry one night and killed his wife and children. Then he went to prison. In prison he still killed lots of people. At some point (possibly when he got locked up in solitary, because it seems like he went to Belle Reve after the riot where he killed people) he got a 'sense of peace'.

So, essentially, he got a sense of peace when he was put into a situation in which he didn't have to live normally or deal with any outside pressures. As soon as he is exposed to those (and it's a *low* level baiting, some verbal abuse) he flames on again. He doesn't use his powers to defend the team until he personally is abused in a dumb gangbanger stand-off argument. That's his trigger.

So he isn't shit. He talks a big game and in the end he switches on again at the most basic street level aggression. He caught to buy into his own dumb myth and sacrifice himself in a meaningful(?) way, so whatever. But I'm absolutely not on board with his redemption - he was a fucking monster.

Just came out, thought it was pretty good.

>>85185528
>Not with budgets like Marvel. If they can't break even anymore, they'll stop making them.
What made you think Marvel films are unusually expensive to make? Sure, team up films are expensive because you need to pay more salaries, but they tend to be billion dollar films. Antman, for example, cost 130million+ advertising. Antman literally cost less to make than Ghostbusters2016.

Civil war was 250million because it is basically Avengers 2.5. GotG was 170millon. What do you think these films were suppose to cost?

>>85185528
That's literally what I said

>>85185149
>People were leaving the theater after Harlee lines

HAHAHAHA FUCKING MARVELKEKS MAKING THIS SHIT UP

Oh my god the movie wasn't as funny as you guys

>>85185628
>>85185723
Like
>But as he said, that man is dead, he died in the fire with his family.
No, that isn't true, because he burned about twenty people to death after that and before the movie started. That man was never dead, El Diablo was just a self-pitying asshole who came across regret for the first time in his cunt life.

>>85185630
My bad it's kinda like that, more or less that they convince Slipknot that it's a ruse and he runs, dies, and then Joker comes in and is like "I can disable the bombs" and then they blow him up, only not really.

It's a shit show basically.

>>85185746
I'm being serious, that actually happened twice. Once when she pulls the a couple lines at the prison and then again when she says that one liner (I forget what it was, something quasy romantic) when the Joker shows up.

>>85185630
They have neck bombs. It's just they only use it on slip knot. Boomer convinces him they aren't real and while katana subdues cpt slipknot gets his head exploded

>>85185802
My theatre laughed and enjoyed the film. How is this so devicive?

>>85185569
Music was one of the worst parts desu. Just because it's well-known doesn't mean it'll be good in any context. I swear there are like 10 licensed tracks in this movie.

>>85185149
>>Jared Leto's godawful hot topic teen joker
I'll never understand this complaint, what does it even mean

>>85185746
The fact that you can't accept the film was shit, just because you have a chip on your shoulder about fucking company wars is honestly pathetic.

It's like what children at a playground do when they argue about their favourite colour.

>>85185841
There are more than 10.

>>85185802

Dude no one believes you. In my theater all the teens were laughing their asses off everytime she opened her mouth

>>85185863
And in my theatre a few people laughed at one or two lines but remained mostly silent.

Must be paid marvel shills though.

>>85185731
And the chinks love comic films. But hated the ghost busters

>>85185427
>I personally don't think they'll make it to Avengers 4
Nigger, they're still making Fast and Furious movies! Transformers movies!! Motherfucking ICE AGE MOVIES!

They might throttle back and space them out more if the demand wanes (like how we get a new James Bond flick every so often but not every other year); but if you think we're headed to some sort of hard cut off you've been drinking the /tv cool-aid.

>or a Black Widow movie
Unless Wonder Woman tanks hard that's almost certainly wrong. And maybe even then: given how much buzz there was coming out of BvS about WW and how much buzz there was going INTO SS about Harley.

Unless they decided that they'd rather skip her and goto Captain Marvel with a new actress under a new multi-picture contract (with tie-ins to GOTG) ... which, now that I'm thinking about it, actually makes quite a bit of sense from a bean-counting point of view, so who knows?

>>85185879

The ones saying people left the room after hearing her talk? I don't think they get paid but who knows, maybe

>>85185759
I think that's the point. He was a shit head, killed his wife and kids and felt bad. Got triggered to fuck and burned down the prison. And then gets triggered as fuck into fighting again.

The whole point of his character was that he couldn't rise above being triggered anymore than he could give up his powers

I saw it in 3d imax today at 10:30 am and the theater was nearly empty.

>>85185999
The Mickey Mouse Club thanks you for your contribution.

Company wars is a cancer on this board.

>>85186016
I'm not knocking it. Just no one wanted to see he thing at 10 in the morning I guess

I think I'm done with superhero movies for a while. I don't know if it's just the fact that every movie I've been looking forward to this year has been utter shit or what, but superhero movies sting the most. They literally all feel the same nowadays.

>>85185911
>Nigger, they're still making Fast and Furious movies! Transformers movies!! Motherfucking ICE AGE MOVIES!
Yep. Is there some kind of cult in /co/ that is prophesying some Cape film apocalypse or something? What kind of crazy does one had to be to think think Marvel Studios, a studio set up to make superhero movies, would deliberately STOP making superhero movies?

Seriously, is there a special brand of crazy here that I missed?

Or are the Fox, Sony and Warner fans so mad at their own studio's failures, that they are hoping that the whole thing stops to ease the pain?

>>85186064
The matinees have always belonged to the mouse.

>>85186029
It is nowhere near as bad here than it is on /v/

WB fans still in denial.

Yes, WB fans, but I'm a DC fan and I refuse to lump them over with people that praise WB's poor output just because it is all that's available.

>>85182933
camrip out yet? any webms with deadshot/batman confrontation

>>85186247
This wasn't even a bad movie, not great, but it wasn't bad. I'd give it a 6 or 7/10.

based armond white's review is out

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/438703/suicide-squad-moral-conflict-millennials

>Ayer’s social sensibility (seen in Brad Pitt’s World War II movie, Fury, and in End of Watch, a rare cop movie with a credible sense of ethnic camaraderie) is compatible with Snyder’s. They both approach a childish genre like adults — and that’s what annoys the Marvel kids, whose bad rap on Suicide Squad has already gone viral.

so true, based Armond always tells it like it is

>>85186247
DC fan here. Don't really care for Marvel whatsoever outside of Spider-Man and Punisher. Our movies have been shit since Dark Knight Rises. I've accepted it long ago. Have yet to see SS but I'm not going in with any expectations whatsoever.

I know literally nothing: Did Enchantress already exist? What did she do before if she has always been in control by government, is she even a villain? This part was one of my few confusions, because why does Blonde Lara Croft tell her boyfriend to kill her if something bad happens before she knows she has an important mission? Why hasn't she already killed herself if she knows it's an ancient evil which is what the question makes it sound like.

And is Boomerang, a robber, really the best they could find to fulfill the Not-Batman-Related Tech role? Nobody else with a more interesting background?

Now my review: Firstly, this is based only on time spent, not whether the cost was worth it (ticket was free and no movie is worth ticket price).
Introduction had weird pacing, like hey Superman died lets only spend 5 seconds on that. Character development was good, they are introduced as if they have a good side but later on some show that they are indeed selfish but some are just means to an end. Why does Strong Independant Women have authorization to kill loose end assistants, but isn't herself considered a Kill If Captured? Good ending, nice to have a movie that knows it isn't getting a sequel. I'd watch it again.
This movie best illustrates that what is really needed is an Arkham Asylum movie.

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>>85184704
>Clear my browser history
They literally took slogans from shirts they sell at Hot Topic

>>85186356
>And is Boomerang, a robber, really the best they could find to fulfill the Not-Batman-Related Tech role? Nobody else with a more interesting background?
Please read John Ostrander's original Suicide Squad comic.

>>85185153
Thank god.

>>85186303
>They both approach a childish genre like adults
Where does this happen in the movie? Because the flick I've seen shamelessly rips off Guardians, right down to the music choices. Your nigger god is just being a contrarian faggot.

>>85185999
>10:30 am

that's why

I saw it yesterday at 6:00 pm for the standard non-3D showing and the crowd was about the same for X-men Apocalypse.

I was wondering why if they made Enchantress and the Incubus the main villains of this movie why they didn't use Nightshade as part of the line-up,

But after seeing the movie I'm glad they left her out.

>>85186303

I'm convinced that Armond is just trolling the fuck out of everyone at this point.

>>85186083
>is there a special brand of crazy here that I missed?
We call it /co/ntrarianism, anon. It's that sad adolescent need to feel shpeshel some people have that results in them deliberately moving in the opposite direction that they see everyone else moving in. Thus they rage against anything that the general population of "normies/muggles/plebs" likes.

So they hate Frozen and Avengers and anything else that they've heard someone's kid brother/sister mention, because Not Muh Seekrit Klub!

Then, this being 4chan, you get the Ruse Miesters who pick up on the handful of DCFag die-hards and think it's funny to push those people to praise absolute shit like Bvs because they know that there are enough 13 year olds hanging about who will parrot whatever they've heard to have it achieve Meme status.

You'll notice that this doesn't happen with mediocre stuff; it's always something that's doing a Billion at the box office that's getting shit on relentlessly or something that's bombing spectacularly that's getting praised as the second coming of cinema, and like that.

The thing that bothered me most about this movie is that half way through, with out any development or explanation, everyone in the Squad is now "friends" or as Diablo puts it, "another family". Did every scene that supports this get cut from the movie or something? How are these lines justified? Where in the movie do they all become friends?

>>85185547
You have an IQ less than 0. Kill yourself.

>>85186503
>You'll notice that this doesn't happen with mediocre stuff; it's always something that's doing a Billion at the box office that's getting shit on relentlessly or something that's bombing spectacularly that's getting praised as the second coming of cinema, and like that.
Ah, thanks. That explains it.

>>85186533
Looks like it was poor scriptwriting, the deleted scenes which according to David Ayer only amount to roughly 15 minutes, are mostly Joker flashbacks and some bits and pieces of individual backstories for the Squad members. They just become a family because... They do.

>>85186533
Because Diablo is the only one that has actual conscience. He is the only one that makes a sacrifice. As example, Deadshot shows his true desire is revenge, not his daughter.

Ayer can backtrack all he wants but it really does seem he wanted a much darker product that what we got. WB simply panicked after the shitshow that was BvS and wanted more memes and quips and ended up meddling with something that had the potential to be quiet good.

Obviously I'm just speculating but I can't understand why WB seem to want to shift the tone so dramatically from 'we want serious movies' to the complete opposite. They can have both. Such a shame that this is probably the last we'll see from the property now, I reckon Ayer deserves another shot but even if he does, they can't go back from this mess they've made.

>>85186533
>"Guardians of the Galaxy did this, so should we"

Pretty much it.

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>>85186533
I agree that it seemed really rushed with them becoming a family and all that. That being said, I think it's just a side-effect of the movie having a limited run time while also only covering a short amount of in-movie time as well. They didn't face enough adversity together or bond enough (apart from the bar scene) to warrant those close familial ties, but in the end, I understood what they were going for. It just wasn't done too well.

Regardless, El Diablo is best skwad.

>>85186356
Because boomer was objectively the best part of the movie and he deserves an Oscar for best supporting actor

>>85186648
>>85186533
Why did they even want to get to that point? When has that ever been the Suicide Squad?

>>85186247

You need to see the movie as a different thing from the comics. This flick was alright, harmless fun mostly

>>85186648

With a movie like this you have ENDLESS opportunity to build characters through their actions and interactions with each other, how they choose to deal with problems and scenarios they encounter, how they plan out things with each other, or if they go against those plans, all that.

A big ensemble movie like this doesn't need to spend a lot of time on individual characters, you build them up in context of each other.

And it never takes the opportunity to do that.

>>85186631
Ayer's cut was reportedly darker and somber, but not that much. It basically had more Joker flashbacks painting his relationship with Harley as more abusive and edgier background information like Boomer being casually racist and sexist to Katana and Harley or Slipknot being name-dropped as a rapist.

WB's cut basically just added even more of the neon-crazy Hot Topic aesthetic, shoved all the flashbacks into a montage, added the GotG-esque soundtrack and more Will Smith and explosions.

Ayer's cut seemsmore consistent upon itself, but not necessarily better. It was still a rushed script.

I don't know why people expected character development, most cape movies struggle in solo films

This should have come after 4 or 5 other ones, have it bring in villains from those with a few new ones. Then we'd have ones people know and give more time for doing stuff with them and introducing the new

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I just wanna know what the hell was up with Eastwood straight nuking himself like that, like I thought he was gonna be someone seeing him get that far to the end with the rest of the squad

And does anyone want this code? I'm not downloading Comixology or whatever the fuck

>>85186708

This is the biggest problem, honestly.

The Squad hates each other, but they hate Waller more. And Waller designs it specifically that way.

>>85186739
You don't know that he's dead.

>>85186708
They didn't want to adapt the Suicide Squad, they wanted their own Guardians of the Galaxy-esque team ot acceptably edgy anti-heroes with hearts of gold and the squad was the best thing in their catalogue to be made into that.

>>85185298
Eh if this does turn out to make mad dosh I think it's save to say we're getting something Harley related after Batfleck sends Joker's ass back to Arkham in his solo movie and who else to feature than the other person close to her?
Maybe Selina too though I dunno how she would work considering Bruce's age.

>>85186594
>Looks like it was poor scriptwriting
In a script he banged out under the gun in SIX WEEKS?? THE HELL, YOU SAY!

>>85186773

They could've done Secret Six instead.

>>85186739
Reportedly he was offered Steve Trevor in "Wonder Woman" but preferred to play Edwards in "Suicide Squad" because he could return in the sequels, while Trevor was a one-and-done.

>>85186637
Yeah Guardians had that same problem but at least in the comics all of the characters knew and cared for each other before they formed their team officially.

Squad comics always have the characters on edge with each other and ready to kill at a moments notice (and DO kill each other in elseworlds). This film only had that feeling when Boomer tricked Slipknot.

>>85186801
Suicide Squad was slightly more famous.

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>mfw the current state of the DCEU

I honestly don't know what they can do to repair it at this point

>>85185630
That guy's whole post was filled with lies. He probably didn't even see the movie.

>>85186828
>in elseworlds
Or just in the real comic. There are some squad characters who come to that sense of brotherhood or real heroism, but it's always very particular (like Deadshot and his brother complex with Rick Flag) and never universal to the whole squad.

>>85186864
Just a better brand name too.

>>85184307
>Rick Flagg will never fug Katana
>Joel won't fuck Karen
I am sad.

>>85186828
The bond between the Guardians was really beliavable. SS missed the mark despite doing the same plot almost beat by beat.

>>85185911
We're basically getting Black Widow with GitS
Or do you think ScarJo will play the Major any different?

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Miss me yet, /co/?

tfw he was actually better.

>>85186247
>>85186354
Marvel fan here. All our movies suck. Man of Steel and Batman v. Superman are masterpieces. I've already given up hope. At least we make good money!

>>85187035
Well, yeah, for starters he didn't just play himself like Woll Smoth did.

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>>85186898

It's bad because it's got a lot of neat ideas floating around, I actually liked where BvS left off with the characters and direction going into Justice League, and I WAS excited about the cast and directors attached to Flash and Aquaman.

But after Suicide Squad turned out to be a big turd? Man, I don't know, I just don't trust WB to deliver on anything anymore.

>>85183847

cereal god will get his shot

>>85186789
>if this does turn out to make mad dosh
I think it's safe to say that that's not gonna happen, anon.

But given the popularity of Harley's solo book and her social media presence and the fact that a Harley Quinn costume was literally the best selling costume last Halloween combined with the MAD BANK that Deadpool made ... I fully expect to see movie with Harley featured in the near future.

I don't think we'll ever get Mad Love, though. Because that would require Batfleck to take a backseat and I don't think his ego, his contract, nor his paycheck* would allow that.

*I'm saying I expect that he'd cost so much that the studio would want to get more screen time for their shekels.

>>85187119
So make it Gotham Sirens. Maybe have it be about Harley wanting to spring out Joker and Ivy and Selina no sell her at the end for her own good

>>85187035
He was awful. Stop it with this meme.

>>85187237
Better than will smith.

>>85187102
Even if they made two okay movies after this, no one would care any more

The fanboys might, but casuals won't

>First encounter with Minions
>They survive 1000 bullets including ones bouncing off their heads
>Seconds later
>Headshots do kill them
>Continue with headshots killing them for entire movie
>Black Lady then says they are super soldiers that can survive headshots

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4/10 movie filled with self-contradictions:
>Amanda "The Wall" Waller is a strong independant woman. Nothing gets past her!
Is taken hostage and needs to be rescued
>Harley loves Joker because he's a rebel
Her dream is to turn him into a normie so they make a traditional family
>This movie has a dark and serious tone
Upbeat pop song every five minutes
>Joker is in a helicopter that exploded
NVM JK he's fine

>>85186801
This world is not ready for based Catman ans most of the audience woul've been asked
>Who's Alice?
>Who's Banshee?
>Who's Scandal?
>Why is Bane in this movie? Wasn't he a bad guy?
>Wtf is Ragman problem? Not muh Joker

>>85187001
>We're basically getting Black Widow with GitS
Did you see Lucy? It goes full on Akira at the end but the whole second third and some change was basically her being a massive Bourne/Bond style badass.

Also made $463.4 mil on a budget of $40 mil which is why people have been scratching their heads over the lack of a BW solo. It's not like there isn't ample proof that John Q Public will shell out to see ScarJo head up an action flick.

>>85187255

I said this a few days before the movie premiered, but WB's biggest problem in trying to play catch-up to Marvel's success is that they keep angling for a big, legendary blockbuster to put them back in the running, and as a result keep overreaching and fucking everything up. What they should've done with Suicide Squad is keep it lower-key and lower-budget and aim to gain back some goodwill from people who wrote them off after BvS.

Instead they went the opposite route and it ruined them. And I doubt they'll learn their lesson the next time around.

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>>85187263

This bugged the hell out of me

>welp this streets blocked by them, we're going to have to go around
>"you know fighting them doesn't work"
>they attack
>get killed just fine
>Harley takes on three single-handedly in an elevator five minutes later

>>85187264
Do you have autism because the first two things and the last sound really dumb just in general.

>>85187291
Lucy was terrible and ScarJo is terrible in action roles.

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>tfw you wanted to go to the 1:30 showing but you got there too early
>tfw they send you to the 12:45 showing and you miss the intro sequences

>>85187291
Problem I see is what kind of movie they should make with her. She's a spy and all the shit she has worked for as an Agent in the comics don't exist anymore in the movies

>>85182933
Well the mods just got triggered by how successful the movie is and deleted the thread so thats a good sign.

>>85187358
If pointing out flaws in a movie is autism then every critic is on the spectrum.

>>85187264
>>This movie has a dark and serious tone
>Upbeat pop song every five minutes
You know that the studio literally hired Trailer Park, the company that cut the first trailer (the one with Queen's Bohemian Rhapsody?) to edit the film, right? Because the trailer (which mixed a bunch of not-very-lite moments with some up-beat pop and made it seem much more comedic) was very popular and the studio wanted: "more of that!"

And that's EXACTLY what they got.

>>85183935
That's bullshit. He's just taking the fall and being a company man so he doesn't get black balled from Hollywood.

>>85187364
Well at least she'll nail the monotone emotionless Major from the Oshii movies

>>85187507
m8, are you actually looking forward to ScarJo's GitS? Am I talking to Armond here?

>>85187427
Well most of them are but 3/4th of the "flaws" you pointed out seem like nitpicks unless you go into some detail on what actually makes them stupid.
>>85187347
You know like that
I haven't even watched this movie which is why I said in general since it honestly just seems like you're nitpicking.
How is Amanda being labeled as strong and independent and then getting rescued supposed to be a flaw? Self Contradictory? What, it sounds like you just threw out a meaningless buzzword. Being strong and independent doesn't mean you can't be in need of help.
Or the thing about rebels. Isn't that just a tired old cliche? Like I wouldn't have a problem if you at least stated that.
Or the copter thing. You need to elaborate on that.

>>85187599

I actually liked Waller, I'm just confused about the mooks because they initially set them up as supernaturally tough, and yet they get chewed through like nothing by the Squad later on. It takes out a lot of the urgency and suspense of them raiding hostile territory.

I'm actually quite confident that audiences have wised up to critics now and will go see this movie just to spite those tasteless uppity fags.

Mark my words, one day people will rise up against other people telling them what to think.

>>85187614

More likely they don't like having a dozen fucking threads up about the movie and are trying to contain discussion to just a few of them.

>>85184990
Why everybody bullied her? Why?

So, I'm no DC expert but, in the mid-credits stinger with Waller and Bruce Wayne he gets a folder with profiles on meta-humans. One was Enchantress, but who were the other two flipped through?

>>85187389
>Problem I see is what kind of movie they should make with her
Well the real problem is that she doesn't (and never really has) made much sense on a Super Team in the first fucking place.

What they *should* do is make a Mission Impossible/James Bond/Bourne style superspy flick. They could literally launch a whole new franchise around The Widow like that.

But they almost certainly will NOT because they think she needs to be in a big 'splody Super Hero Movie. Because she's an Avenger and Avengers are Big Damn Superheros!

Just like what they *should* have done was make Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. actual Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. in black and white uniforms on a Helecarrior who do Criminal Minds International CSI with a bit of Marvel style X-Files thrown in.

It's not like they didn't already have the fucking sets, the cgi, and the uniforms ALREADY BOUGHT AND PAID FOR.

But whatever. I'm just happy I got to see a non-shit Spiderman.

>>85187723
Yeah, I bet that's what they told you to say.

>>85187768
>I'm just happy I got to see a non-shit Spiderman.
You already did, it was called Amazing spiderman 1.

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>>85187747
Flash and Aquaman

>>85187347
>>85187263
That's why the action scenes were absolutely atrocious, the only good fight was El Diablo vs Enchantresses brother.

>>85187747
Barry and Arthur.

>>85187747
Enchantress, Japanese Man, and Dude With Beard.

>>85187806
idk makes sense to me

>>85187806
He's right, though. About the dream, ar least.

>>85187912
What are you talking about? Harley's always wanted that.

>>85187738
Because she's a vanilla acting rookie.

>>85187805
>Amazing spiderman 1.
>not
>Spider-Man 2 (2004)
The pleb is strong with this one.

>>85187839

There was no sense of planning or structure in terms of how they actually went about their mission. I expected to see a coherent direction for where they were going and what they were doing. That way when things inevitably go pear-shaped it has more of an impact as the audience follows it.

Part of that I'm sure is just time constraints with the movie, but that would've been a good opportunity for development for both Flagg and the other characters, seeing different perspectives on how they accomplish their goals.

>>85184829
I want to protect Karen smile and I am not into japs.

I swear I needed subtitles for everything boomerang said during the first half of the movie

Here are some numbers because numbers are fun

>Suicide Squad
>Opening: $20.5 million (though it will be added with what is made today for official "opening")

>Batman V. Superman
>Opening: $27.7 million
>Total: $872.7 million

>MoS
>Opening: $56.1 million
>Total: $668 million

>Dark Knight Rises
>Opening: $75-77 million
>Total: $1.085 Billion

>Green Lantern
>Opening: $21,386,523
>Total: $219,851,172

>Dark Knight
>Opening: $67,165,092
>Total: $1.005 billion

>Superman Returns
>Opening: $21,037,277
>Total: $391.1 million

>Batman Begins
>Opening: $15,068,368 (though it opened in russia 5 days before for reasons I can not find)
>Total: $374.2 million

Now some Marvel

>Civil War
>Opening: $75.5 million
>Total: $1.152 Billion

>Ant-Man
>Opening: $23.4 million
>Total: $519.4 million

>AoU
>Opening: $84.46 million
>Total: $1.405 billion

>GotG
>Opening: $37.8 million ($11.2 was for the preview alone)
>Total: $773.3 million

>Winter Soldier
>Opening: $36,926,192
>Total: $714.4 million

>Thor:TDW
>Opening: $31.9 million
>Total: $644.6 million

>Iron Man 3
>Opening: $68.9 million
>Total: $1.125 billion

>The Avengers
>Opening: $80.8 million
>Total: $1.520 billion

>Captain America
>Opening: $25.7 million
>Total: $370.6 million

>Thor
>Opening: $25.4 million
>Total: $449.3 million

>Iron Man 2
>Opening: $51.2 million
>Total: $623.9 million

>Punisher: War Zone
>Opening: $4.27 million
>Total: $10.1 million

>The Incredible Hulk
>Opening: $21.4 million
>Total: $263.4 million

>Iron Man
>Opening: $35.2 million
>Total: $585.2 million

I really enjoyed it. Wish there'd been more development for Boomerang and Katana, though.

>>85187994
Same.

>>85187264
Joker was supposed to face the squad in a tunnel half-burned because of the crash. It's that scene in the trailer where he's about to throw a grenade

>>85186773
>>85186801
They could have done Doom Patrol
>Tfw Doom Patrol movie never

>>85188009
Boomerang made me laff

>>85182933
>someone is liking it

Is it some sort of flashmob I wasn't invited to? This movie deserves its rating, actors can't do shit when everything else sucks.

>>85182933
I just returned from the cinema. I was surprised how much I actually ended up liking it, but the editing was pretty fucked up. Some scenes were all over the place and it felt like there were several scenes missing (like when Boomer suddenly decides not to abandon ship for no explicable reason). Katana only served as a means to deliver an Enchantress cutting sword to the final battle and might as well not have appeared at all herself.
I really liked Boomer, Smithshot (surprisingly) and Harley.

>>85188074
And he was way better before the final cut.

>>85187937
>Harley's always wanted to be June Cleaver!
Nigger, you wot? What she wants is to be Bonnie to his Clyde (or Nancy to his Sid).

>>85188023
I bet they cut it for time and/or the rating. If anything needs an R rated director's cut, it's this.

>tfw the fake script with the "Cabin in the Woods"-style supervillain breakout was better than what we got.

>>85188146
PROTIP: Those sexist/racism remarks that supposedly got cut are nothing but speculation.

>>85188196
What was that one? The earlier script that had Joker possessed by Incubus sounded a lot better for sure.

>Quinn is shown as uncontrollably dedicated to J the entire movie
>People confused that her ultimate desire is permanent domestication
????

Whenever Slipknot showed up I thought to myself "So that's what happened to Adam Beach's character from Law & Order: SVU," and then he died 5 minutes later.

>>85188326
She got her brain fried, all she wants is a wildride with Joker for eternity.

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>>85188228
>Boomer was atracted to Katana
I can't see why

>>85188191
I'm gonna guess it was because of time, or "flow" as Ayer put it
Reportedly Joker wanted to escape with Harley but she refuses for the sake of the squad, so he gets mad, there's a shootout with Deadshot and then Joker throws that grenade to cover his escape. Nothing really R-worthy

>>85188023
>>85188191
>>85188598
see >>85188542
Damn it! Croc was more developed as a character during production.
There were also two morer emoved scenes but the context is unknow
>Croc about attacking Katana
>Katana eyes turning white

>>85186901
Not that Anon, but I just got back from see it and I agree.

This movie wasn't very good.

Couldn't help from figgiting in my chair everytime they tried to have a emotional moment together. Trying to copy Guardians of the Galaxy or something?

Robbie was ok but why would Deadshot , after seeing her with the phone, trust a Psycho's sidekick on escaping when it could jeopardize his time to see his daughter?

Did we need a song every few minutes?

Did they have to make Croc average in size compared to the others? They couldn't get someone like Nathan Jones to do the same 5 lines?

Waller and Enchantress was the best part of this average movie.

Also, Slipnot is a Dumb Dumb.

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>I like BvS

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>>85188302
>Deadshot is hired to assassinate serial killer Cornelius Stirk by the family of one of his victims and targets him during a prison transfer to Arkham Asylum. The same convoy is transporting the Joker, and Harley Quinn attempts to spring him out. Deadshot and Harley end up fucking up each other's missions and being captured by the government.

>They're taken to Belle Reve, which houses numerous criminals with special skills and meta-humans abilities, that have been captured on behalf of Amanda Waller. She wants to reactivate Task-Force X, a Cold War-era program in which war criminals are used as disposable assets in high-risk missions. The former leader of the team was Rick Flag, a decorated military officer who died in a mission gone wrong in Moscow. Waller selects his son, Rick Flag Jr., a dutiful but rebellious loose canon soldier, to lead the new Squad.

>Waller selects Deadshot, Harley Quinn, Captain Boomerang, Katana, El Diablo and Slipknot to integrate the team. Their first mission is to intercept a weapon of mass destruction being brought into the United States by a crime syndicate known as "Onslaught". Slipknot attempts to betray the team and escape, and is terminated by Waller, while the others recover the weapon, who turns out to be the Enchantress. Waller then learns that the Onslaught is capturing meta-humans to sell them as living weapons, and tasks the Suicide Squad with eliminating its leader, Amphitron, and recover his assets for the Task-Force X Program.

>To maintain Harley under control, Waller has the Joker transferred to Belle Reve under supervision of psychiatrist Hugo Strange. The Joker spends most of the movie in captivity, and shares one-on-one scenes with Waller, Flag, Deadshot and Harley at different ponts.

Disclaimers: I enjoyed BvS

I was bored to tears by this movie.

The music was too fucking loud at times, and it was overused.

I can't say this enough times, it's not even a bad movie, it's a boring movie.

I have a lot of criticisms for it, but... it's not even worth it to mention them, the movie needed excitement.

>>85187995

Squad's 20.5 mil was for the preview screening.

Twice as much as Guardians preview earnings.

Also that BVS 27.7 mil is wrong. It made about 85 mil on opening day.

>>85189202
>Amphitron hires Deathstroke to protect his cargo and Deathstroke lures the team into a trap and nearly kills them, during which El Diablo is killed. The Squad has to work together to fight off Deathstroke and establish a true bond.

>Eventually, it turns out Amphitron himself provided Waller with the tip to the Enchantress so Waller would take Enchantress into Belle Reve. Enchantress functions as a trojan horse, loses control of her powers and causes a riot in which numerous supervillains including people like Killer Frost, King Shark, Multiplex and Blockbuster square off against ARGUS agents and massacre them, "Cabin in the Woods"-style.

>In a twist, Amphitron turns out to be Rick Flag Sr, who was betrayed by the government to the Soviets and tortured for years before escaping. A novice Waller was the one that made the call to sacrifice him as a political ploy. Flag Sr. then masterminded everything to get revenge on her and profit off the impending use of meta-humans as weapons of war. Boomerang betrays the team and joins Flag Sr.

>Flag is conflicted over his father's involvement, but refuses to betray his country because his father is killing innocents in his crusade for vengeance. The members of the Squad decide to back him up. A fight ensues between the squad and Flag Sr. and his men, during which the Joker escapes and offers Harley to join him, but she refuses and is left to die. Once the squad begins gaining the upper hand, Boomerang defects back to them and claims he was playing the long con all along.

Excuse my stupid but is Japanese lady good or bad and why did she kill her husband?

>>85189497
>Flag fights and ultimately kills his father while the squad defeats Deathstroke and shoots his eye off, and the rest dismantle Onslaught's plans to target the Pentagon and cripple the United States intelligence network. Waller covers up their involvement in everything and sends the team back to jail. She also announces that Flag "inherited" his father's crimes and is now as much a disposable asset as the rest of them. She keeps using the squad with the government's approval and is appointed head of the newly-formed ARGUS to handle metas. Deathstroke swears a blood oath on the squad members over MUH EYE and Waller begins scouting for some new recruits.

>>85182933
Still a bad movie desu but nowhere near as bad as bvs. Deserves a 40% or so honestly, since it was at least fun and didn't have Autistic Fedora Lex. Still doesn't excuse the shitty editing and the retarded plot, though it makes more sense than BvS's at least.

>>85189517

Her name my pleb friend is Katana.

She's a hero.

7/10. Would be 8 if it wasn't for the choppy editing.
It was fun

>>85189477
I'm going to assume 27.7million is what BvS did for its midnight showings.

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I liked it. It was fun.
Also pic related kinda surprised me and made me grin like an idiot

>>85189782

Probably. BVS broke a record for that particular weekend it hardly did 27.7 mil on its first day.

And as I said, they point out Guardians 11 mil Thursday preview but Squad did over 20 mil on it's Thursday showing.

I refuse to believe anybody would actually seriously defend the editing in this movie.

I mean, I never even notice this kind of shit and even I was noticing how scenes just didn't really connect in many parts. One really big example I remember was showing KC going in the water and the next time we see him he was getting attacked by zombies. Like there was obviously supposed to be something there that indicated he was going to get attacked at some point.

Also, yeah, that shit with Boomerang coming back. I hear it's because he was crushing on Katana but he only had like the one scene with her

>>85182933
Do you guys happen to remember the names of the guys who early reported the movie would suck due to editing and stuff?

Is the Anon who was holding bets for the movie's score still around? I think I may have won a free (you)!

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What's with the DCEU and these forced relationships?

>MoS
>Lois and Clark are a couple just because

>BvS
>World's finest is a thing because of a name

>SS
>After fucking around for less than a day HOL UP WE WUZ FAMILY N SHIET

>Justice League
>"I'm assembling a team because..." YEAH WHATEVER MAN I NEED FRIENDS

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First act-character intro and forming of team: Great. Fantastic setting of the tone

Second act-Entering the city, first fights: Okay, starts to slow down but have some good lines, action sequences and character moments. Bar scene was quite good (even if they cut out the "what are you having" scene)

Final third-Last fight against Enchantress: Movie fucking drops like a rock. Everything just goes downhill. My friend and I laughed when Enchantress just jacked all the SS weapons after fighting them and just wondered why the fuck she didn't just do that before. It was like Fant4stic Doom levels of "I am so overpowered but am going to just not for some reason". Also way to have an ensemble movie and not show what the other members' biggest dreams were you editing hacks.

>>85188542
>croc develpoment
>eats his vomit
Two steps forward, two steps back.

>>85189876
What was even the point of the entire Joker subplot?

>>85186631
>Obviously I'm just speculating but I can't understand why WB seem to want to shift the tone so dramatically from 'we want serious movies' to the complete opposite.
You know why

>>85186648
>Regardless, El Diablo is best skwad.
Uh no, it was unequivocally Boomerang. Maybe Deadshot if you really like Smith being Smith.

>>85187263
Yeah this fucking bothered me. We see the soldiers shooting them all over the place and they aren't hitting them and then suddenly headshots work. What the actual fuck?

>>85189891
>Thursday preview vs Thursday showing.
Damn, why they do this?

>>85187806
That's completely right, especially the "doesn't she love her man as he is?" part. I mean, isn't that we're supposed to buy with their relationship in the first place? When was I ever supposed to think "man Harley just wanted a normal life after all"

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7/10
The Good
>Deadshot. (Will Smith was surprisingly decent)
>Harley (I'm not even a Harlyfag and I was surprised how good she was. They even gave her her classic costume.)
>Waller
>El Diablo
>Enchantress
The Bad
>The fact that half of the team didn't get a spotlight
>that horrible choppy editing. You would expect that Dc would fucking learn by now.
>Joker was meh but he wasn't there for long to make a god judgement. Also I will never understand why they made the Joker into a mexican drug lord.
>all those fucking songs crammed in even it they felt out of place. Mfw "IT AIN'T ME" during the Killer Croc scene
Overall this movie felt like it was on the same level as BvS but I still think MoS is the best DCEU movie, but I give credit for Suicide Squad for actually being fun. The is the most fun I had since Ant-Man.
Civil War is still the best capeshit this year but just sets the bar really low.

>mfw they had like 7 fucking pop songs in a row

>>85189477
That was the point of the what it said for "Will be added later"

Thanks for the correction on BvS, looking at my sources I now have no idea where I saw 27.7 at all

>>85190298
It is her childlike wish, it doesn't change the fact she still loves him currently (she can't stop loving him is the point)

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REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYKPdNvH800


>Marvel kids are going on the Internet to attack any proposed DC narrative, with the intention of dooming its box-office prospects — makes a useful analogy to the fracas in our political arena.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/438703/suicide-squad-moral-conflict-millennials

THAT'S PUTTING THE FINGER IN THE WOUND!!

>>85190154
Idon't see the problem there. Croc is a freak, so acting like that seems pretty accurate.

>>85190057
>>After fucking around for less than a day HOL UP WE WUZ FAMILY N SHIET
Implying Joss Wheadon didn't do that same shit

>>85190300
>>85190339
>mfw they had like 7 fucking pop songs in a row
>all those fucking songs crammed in even it they felt out of place.

I'm glad I'm not the only one, Jesus Christ after 20 minutes I wanted the audio to be cut.

Croc was 2black4me even though he had some god-tier lines

>26%

>>85190426
Where?

>>85190426
The only reason they teamed up was because they weren't keen on taking the blame and because "fuck them" that's why.

>>85185309
Her parents are really rich and give her whatever she wants. She wanted to be a model, they made her a model. She wanted to be an Angel, they made her an angel. She wanted to be an actress, they made her an actress. Think British Paris Hilton.

>>85190300
>enchantress
>le generic evil spirit doomsday lady releasing a horde of CGI goons to take over the world n shiet
>good
I mean she's a better villain than what BvS had but that isn't saying much

>>85190057
>What's with the DCEU and these forced relationships?
It's because DCEU is on fast-forward. Warner, instead of earning a few hundred million per film and slowly build up to a billion dollar team up, want to make as few films as possible to get to Justice League. This means no time for anyone to become friends, because the film doesn't have enough screen time.

Um, what was Enchantress' plan exactly?

She said she was going to build a machine to destroy the humans but then she just kind of made lightning storms (which on that note reminded me a lot of Fant4stic's Doom pillar of light on that note). So was that the machine?

>>85190057
>>85190710
>batman and superman fight each other to the death
>suddenly their moms have the same name
>im a friend of your son's
I bet Snyder thinks this is how normal people interact in real life too.

>>85190718
She said she wanted to kill them all but she then changed it to forcing humans to worship her again, that's why she targets military sites instead of just everything.

>>85187995
It should be noted SS opens against nothing all month and previous titles (GB, ST, JB) are all dying off quick on their own for being so-so.

Guardians opened against:
>Lucy (week 2)
>Hercules (week 2)
>Dawn of the Planet of the Apes (week 3)
>The Purge Anarchy (week 2)

That's a lot of action movies at the same time and TMNT 2 weeks later. SS can be a bad copy of GotG, but it won't have the legs GotG did.

>>85185802
I saw a pre-screening so there wasn't exactly a crowd, but I still don't believe you.

>>85190718
To tell you the truth, there was more than just killing the world. Enchantress was supposed to mirror two sides of the same coin. Initially June, the archaeologist girl and the witch were in love with the same guy but envied each other, that part was scrapped. Second, she didn't want to be a slave for the us government and saw them as wicked, unclean and worshippers of false idols.

>>85190718
I mean technically with the information available from Waller's head she could just obliterate every known nuclear power plant, basically causing Chernobyl-level disasters worldwide.

>>85190780
>SS opens against nothing all month and previous titles

We may not like it, but Sausage Party is getting good buzz.

>>85183127
I'd love to see the original cut, except for the Joker scenes... because oddly enough I liked how OOC and lovey dovey he was with Harley and as far as we know he's a lot less that in the deleted scenes.

>>85190252

That was just me using different words for the same basic thing.

>>85190347

Yeah but it's misleading to say "Guardians made 11 mil on Thursday alone!" and then not point out Squad made twice that much on the same day.

I mean this is likely to end up being pasta. You gotta get it right the first time.

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>>85186303
This is so pretentious it actually sucked me in and served as far better entertainment than the film it's actually reviewing.

Fuck, man, why do people still say that Snyder is a great visual director (and, more importantly, why is he bring brought up when this film isn't even directed by him?)? Constantly flip-flopping from one slo-mo hyper-focused moment to the next and interspersing them will tiresome exposition is the opposite of great visual directing. Fury Road was a beautiful action film, Snyder's shitfests are just a mess.

>>85190057
>After fucking around for less than a day HOL UP WE WUZ FAMILY N SHIET
I dunno bout you, but I'm convinced they're friends, after the shit they went through.
At least Harley, Deadshot, Rick and Boomerang are.

CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT

>WOW YOU DID SOMETHING TIER
Harley Quinn

>PAINT BY NUMBERS TIER
El Diablo
Deadshot
Rick Flag

>REACHED THE DEADLINE TIER
Killer Croc
Captain Boomerang
Slipknot
June Moone

>>85185149
>They abandoned the bombs
Nigga you what? The bombs came up multiple times including at the end. They blew slipknots head off like, 2 seconds into the city crawl.

>>85190846
>Sausage Party
It's a disaster honestly, who the hell even green lit this abomination

>>85183476
You guys understand that time is constantly moving forward and things that haven't happened yet aren't impossible, right?

And also that they've literally just released an ultimate edition of BvS for "the fans", whoever they are, so they'll probably put one together from this?

And that Ayer has directed like six movies and more than half of them got bad reviews? And that he has a history of backtracking publicly on his work?

I'm not saying you can polish this turd, I'm just saying, they're not going to just throw the same cut out on bluray.

>>85183639
>that bombardment of music tracks was so clearly some studio exec mandating the film try to emulate GotG.

In development, that was what test audiences said they'd expected based on the trailers (which were, like all trailers, produced by a different production company - who will now work on the bluray cut as well) and what the test audiences said was missing from the cuts they saw.

>>85191027
Why, the marketing geniuses at Sony, of course!

Just got back from it, it was......alright? Mediocre? I hated the pacing and editing at times, the soundtrack kind of hijacked scenes, characters weren't juggled that well, and Rick Flagg was by far had the worst acting. Character introductions we're kind of awkward for the most part. But I guess it's better than BvS

>>85190718
Well, the first part of her master plan was to act. She failed ultimately.

>>85186767
We saw the bomb explode on him, he's not the Joker who can survive anything

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>lengthy description of all the member by Waller
>skips Slipknot

What was Batman busy doing during all this shit?

>>85190626
>le generic evil spirit doomsday lady releasing a horde of CGI goons to take over the world n shiet
I agree it's a dumb gimmick but isn't that every Comicbook villian?

>>85191169
Its Midway city, not Gotham.

>>85191169
Putting on his face fat

>>85191169
Beating the joker.

Prison Warden/Guard was kind of pointless. He just disappeared after Harley was given the phone

>>85190819
Why are you making shit up, senpai?

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>>85191169
What do you think?

>Absolutely loved it, best capeshit in recent memory (fuck yo civil war nigga)
>come to /co/ to geek out with likeminded individuals
>everyone hates it
what the actual fuck? Am I being rused or what? Are we actually not allowed to like something if its DC?

>>85191395
Stop with the victim complex faggot

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>>85191395
>loving the pacing.
>loving the fucking contradictions in the story
Its not bad, but is not something to love, nigga.

The theater close to my house barely had anyone at the midnight premier, which was weird because I live in a rather large city with two large art colleges near it, so the movie theater near me is huge and almost always packed on weekends. The people who were there were dead silent the entire time. No one laughed at the jokes, no one said any "whoas"
or "damns." It was brutally silent.
I think what intrigued me the most was that upon leaving, I heard my fair share of "that sucked" and "it wasn't really great", but the thing that was the most telling was many people were asking "who's the guy with the green hair? Is he the Joker's son or something? Is he a new villain?" I also heard a lot of "wasn't the Joker supposed to be in this?" It's like people didn't know that Leto was supposed to be the Joker at all. I blame bad editing on that, but still, that says something that even with Harlee, no one was convinced that Leto was the Joker.

I personally didn't care for it. I thought it was a mediocre action flick in it's best moments and a bad super hero film at it's worst. It won't be remembered in the long term I don't think.

>>85189104
>Did they have to make Croc average in size compared to the others? They couldn't get someone like Nathan Jones to do the same 5 lines?
Maybe deadshot must contractually be the tallest castmember?

>>85190952
It's equally misleading to say "previews made..." and neglect to mention how many theaters that was over and how many showings there were on preview day. If you open in twice as many theaters, you'll probably make twice as much money - but you're robbing it from the weekend take. Probably Sunday, maybe as early as Saturday.

Equally it's misleading to use opening weekends to claim a movie is performing better than a competitor - the difference between a movie making $150m on weekend 1 and a competitor making $100m isn't just that A made 50% more than B; it's that A has to continue to make 50% more than B for the entire theatrical run, or A will be considered to have underperformed. Based on the opening weekend it had, BvS should have made about $580m domestically to hit the middle of its expected range - but it fell way, way below that. Meanwhile, GotG falls dead inside the middle of its own expected range based on weekend 1 - and the two movies have nearly identical domestics.

Front-loading the way that BvS and MoS did is not a good tactic for any studio - first weekends are already the life or death of a movie, putting it all on Thursday previews and Fridays is just, well, suicide. Previews are a selective tool for driving hype - not an extra free day of profit. You want them small enough that the fanboys who'll talk it up will snap up the tickets and large enough for there to be enough fanboy butts on seats to drive discussion over the first couple of days, not so large that you're basically shitting the bed if your movie turns out bad.

I mean at this stage, if it doesn't drop 50% Saturday to Sunday, I'll be genuinely surprised; but only if it didn't already drop off Friday to Saturday.

>>85191395
I liked it but's not that great. The choppy editing and the rushed plot is on the same level as "muh mommy" from CivilWar. At least Civil war had a cool villian.

It was a good popcorn flick. The critics were way too hard on it across the board. 7/10 bump it up to 8 if you really like B-List DC characters. I hope this thing gets a sequel.

>>85191593
What's wrong with Stark going mad? Civil War had a lot of dumb moments, but the main plot wasn't one of them.

>>85191395
I don't hate it but it's not that great either

>>85191481
I live in a college town and the midnight showing was pretty busy, but it was also deathly silent.

>>85190952
Nothing is biased in the information, anon. It's just that the new information will not exist until tomorrow morning.

>>85191481
I actually heard the person next to me say "Well that sucked" when it ended.

I hear stories about it but I'd never actually seen it happen until now

>>85190154
>Croc behaves like animal when around other people
>People disregard him as almost feral
>Reputation as mob muscle, no brians
Batman suspects this is the longest con of all

I feel that actually would've been fine (as long as they counteract that scene with something he does while alone).

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>>85187937

Define always.

>>85187381
Why didn't you wait? It's only 45 minutes you idiot. Why didn't you just say "No, I want this showing and I'll wait" Do you understand how much of an idiot you sound like?

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>this is supposed to be part of the DC cinematic universe
>leto joker might be a recurring thing

I should go see it at a black theater , anyone else?

>>85186503
I genuinely didn't like Frozen but I otherwise agree. It's so weird and stupid how if you ask some of these /co/mrades, Marvel is on borrowed time, yet the Snyderverse is some deep, underrated cinematic achievement that most people just "didn't get".

>>85191169
Wonder Woman.

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>>85191723
Stealing from the greats there.

>>85191733
they could always pull the more than one joker, but that's equally retarded

>>85191169
>>85191211
What was Flash busy doing during all of this shit?

I'm one of those people who enjoyed BvS, but I'm disappointed in Suicide Squad.
I liked all the characters, except Enchantress (yes, even Will Smith Deadshot and Romeo Joker), but I felt that the plot was all over the place and we barely got any rea; character interactions. One of my favorite things about the comic is Boomer's and Floyd's rivalry, but here they spoke to each other twice, I think, and Boomer immediately accepted Deadshot as the Squad leader.
And I absolutely loved El Diablo, but that "you're my family now" came out of fucking nowhere - most of the Squad treated him like shit before that, with the exception of Boomer (surprisingly) standing up for him when Harley started bitching at him.

>>85187264
What amount of being a strong character is going to stop you fending off soldiers kidnapping you from a crashed helicopter? She's not a field agent and she doesn't get into fights.

I do wish that Joker would have had his makeup in that scene, but it's not some kind of movie ruining scene.

While I thought it was good for a few bits (Like bohemian rhapsody at the end) a lot of it was a bit weird, but audiences are going to react to it well

It's the Joker, this guy can survive anything if they want him to. But it does look like it would have been explained in some of the cut scenes, I don't think Leto is happy with this much being cut from the film.

Most of these complaints are nitpicking. 2/10 got me to respond

>>85191872
Flash because movieverse Hawkgirl never

>>85191872
By the way, Flash was in full costume during his cameo, but weren't there spoilers that Bats is the one who makes that costume for him?

Huh, thats interesting.

Turns out Snyder directed the scene with the Flash cameo.

>>85191733
Leto Joker was actually not really that bad.

Actually he just wasn't really all that much anything. I thought he'd be 2edgy4me but they cut all his shit out apparently and only had 7 minutes screentime so I couldn't even get that annoyed by him

>>85191984
Wasn't much to direct there, to be honest, but it was actually a fun cameo. I'm glad Boomer is still a Flash villain.

Just saw this last night. Easily the worst movie of the year. Fucking Ghostbusters was better, and I don't say that lightly. I can't believe there are faggots itt dumb enough to defend it.

>>85191872
I asked my buddy next to me the same thing

"I feel like Flash should be showing up right about now"

I'm kind of bothered that the Wall knows Batman's identity.

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>first eisenberg luthor
>now this

Does DC actually try when they're casting their villains? It doesn't seem like it.