"SUICIDE SQUAD" CAST AND DIRECTOR RESPONDS TO CRITICISM

>>85160368
>>85159177
kek

>>85160368
>/tv/

>>85160368
That's the most nothing response I've ever heard Ayer. Don't put the blame all on you but really shut up

>>85160368
>"The critics have been absolutely horrific, they’re really, really horrible. You know, I just don’t think they like superhero movies.

>You know, I just don’t think they like superhero movies.

Yeah.

That must be it.

>>85160368

The problem with their logic is that even if you're a fan the movie still sucks. Perhaps even moreso because you know Joker isn't supposed to be a juggalo.

>>85160368
>you have these characters being objectified like Harley Quinn

>Character is dressed in a thong and fishnets and spends the film bending over and sticking her ass in the camera

HOW DARE YOU OBJECTIFY HER, YOU SEXIST CRITIC!

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>>85160368
>"Of course you want critical acclaim, of course, but what matters is what the fans think. We’re really proud of this film, we loved making it, everybody on the film has become really close friends and this is like a work of love and I hope the fans like it"

>The critics have been absolutely horrific, they’re really, really horrible. You know, I just don’t think they like superhero movies. It doesn’t really matter what the critics say at the end of the day.

>>85160562
>I just don’t think they like superhero movies

Except for almost everything Marvel's put out, and most of the X-Men movies, and the Nolan Batman movies, and even Snyder's Watchmen got decent reviews and they seemed to like 300 okay.


Yeah, complete conspiracy theory.

>>85160368
why are they having to be on the defense? WB is the one who's been ruining everything with a crayon & plastic scissors.

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>>85160368
>You know, I just don’t think they like superhero movies.

>>85160696
>300
>superhero movie
ummm....

>>85160696
>>I just don’t think they like superhero movies
>Except for almost everything Marvel's put out,

That's because Marvel doesn't make superhero movies, they make quirky "lol such snarky quips" comedies.

The one time I actually want to see Jared Leto respond to something and he hasn't yet. Typical.

It's only hope at the moment is if they release a Director's Cut for what it was meant to be before all the panicked WB meddling

>>85160800
But comedies don't usually do well with critics either.

>>85160800
Sure kid

>>85160368
>/tv/
You faggots aren't even trying to hide it. I look forward to the day live action shit isn't as allowed here anymore. Which I know will never come.

>>85160836
>>85160841

>defending Age of Quiptron

Whatever you say, Joss old boy.

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>>85160871
> I look forward to the day live action shit isn't as allowed here anymore
You mean...comic book movies shouldn't be allowed on the comic book board?

>>85160816
he did, he hopes the scenes that got deleted may one day surface (in the ultimate cut)

>>85160878
I'm not Joss anon, he's to busy making AoS isnt canon shitposts

>>85160836
because most comedies are just shock humor trash
>"Dude! I can't french kiss my grandpa!"

"I made this make-believe comic book movie for real people who live in the real world."

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>>85160368
>B-BUT IT'S FOR THE FANS

Just like Batman v Superman was right?

Hint: fans don't like shitty movies either

>>85160959
Did Ayer become Snyder?
Or is WB only hiring people with this mentality

>>85160765
>13 movies compared to 2
Could you possibly be reaching any more?

>>85160562
Rock Lee was clearly making stuff up on the spot.

>>85160878
But I wasn't defending AoU. I nearly fell asleep in the theater during a few of the scenes.

You painted all of Marvel the same as AoU, which is just not true.

>>85160800
Something people need to understand is that critics are biased in the sense that they judge the MCU as a brand and not individual movies. Individually you will find weak mediocre movies but because it has that brand they pardon the movie. Hernandez is right, in a sense.

>>85161302
It's truer than you like to admit.

>>85160765
>age of ultron is certified fresh
This alone completely removes any credibility RT has. Hell, it removes any credibility movie critics in general have. Age of Ultron was the single most garbage cape film I've ever watched, and in recent months I've watched MoS, BvS, all the X-men movies, Spiderman 3, and ASM2.

I have never seen a cape movie worse than AoU. I don't get what people have against Civil War, but AoU didn't have a single redeeming feature.

>>85160562
She's right you know. Critics think they know what a Superhero movie is supposed to be and they're too stubborn to admit that there could be some diversity here.

>>85160368
>"I made the movie for real people who live in the real world. I made the movie for people who actually love movies and go and see movies. The movie’s a lot of fun and the fans are really going to enjoy this" - DAVID AYER

So, can Ayer really be such a dumbass or is he just trying to save face/repeating what PR told him to say? I don't think i know him enough. Because as the director he experienced first hand how WB (at least partially) fucked the movie, he must've realized something was going wrong. Leto just admitted most of his work on the movie is gone, and the final cut was made by the trailer people for crying out loud!

>>85161732
How about it just being a bad movie, period?

>>85161607
>what people have against Civil war
That airport scene.

>>85161785
people complained over that?

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I can't wait for actors to start turning down DC movie offers because they know it won't further their career.

>>85161825
>this is a Captain America movie!!1!

>>85161825
Well it was shit. Just really inorganic for me.

>>85160368
Jay Hernandez frequents /co/ or something?

>>85161912
Spaniards are the resident tough guys of any multiethnic motley crew. Do you even Hollywood, brah?

>>85161763
But it's not, period.

>>85160765
The fact that Thor 2 is at 66% and AoU is Fresh makes me really doubt the credibility of critics.

Only good thing in the movie was Robbie.
Leto was Tony Montana and Smith was Smith, not Deadshot.

>>85161151
If you really want to make it fair, we could compare the shittiest two Marvel movies against DC right now.

>Incredible Hulk-67%
>Thor: Dark World-66%

>Man of Steel-56%
>Batman v Superman-27%

Wow, guess you showed Marvel.

>>85161763
How about fuck you. We're seeing the audience reaction and it's largely positive so I guess RT and the critics are just wrong, period.

>>85161988

Or perhaps you're just a butthurt DC fan who can't seem to put enough ice on that rash.

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>>85161732
>The Dark Knight trilogy: dark, serious, grounded, critics approve
>Most MCU movies: light-hearted, colorful, for all ages, critics approve
>Deadpool: daring, trashy, bloody, low budget, critics approve

Cape movies are as diverse as they've ever been, dude

Why do you guys still insist it must all be because critics/people can't accept more "serious" and dark movies? The Amazing Spiderman movies on paper were pretty much MCU-like, with that mindset how do you explain their critical shortcomings?

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>implying I'm going to watch a movie where the only good female character is Amanda Waller
>the 3 other girls are either for eye candy or diversity

I'd prefer just Waller instead. I'm not a lesbian and I don't want to constantly see Harley/Enchantress assets everywhere.

>>85162030
>This much denial

It's OK, bro. Wonder Woman looks lit.

>>85162016
Wow Marvel is literally overrated.

>>85162030
Hahahaha, you pathetic little chump.

>>85162064
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>>85162064
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>>85162056
>Daring and trashy
Not even. Van wilder was daring amd trashy. Deadpool was kitschy.

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>>85160765
>Average rating for most of the Marvel movies are 6/10.
>Average rating for most of the DC movies are 5/10
WOW such a difference!

>>85162141
Well, you get what i meant

>>85162016
>Batman v Superman-27%
How is Batman v Superman so fucking low?
It was no where near that bad, holy shit.

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>DCEU tanks
>Rebirth continues untouched since there's no reason to pander to normies

Isn't this what DC fags wanted? Weren't they mortally afraid of having their company become like Marvel?

>>85162166
aparently so if they're on suicide watch

>>85162056
Deadpool was just your typical "girl gets kidnapped, guy has to rescue her plot" story just with a new paint job. It's not really daring in that sense. Hell Ryan Reynolds admitted as such on Honest Trailers. It just so happened that it worked really well.

>>85162069
But you're the one in denial tho? I don't know why you insisting we put so much stock in the critics here buddy seeeing how a large number of them ain't shit.

>>85162166
>High 6s and 7s against low 6s and 5s

Yes, hm, quite.

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DC butthurt is so delicious. I'm just getting my fill every day...

>>85162200
Who's on suicide watch?
Word of mouth has been good to suicide squad.

>>85162275
>gif
Looking forward to that race bended Harry that we're getting down the road.

>>85162056
>>85162056
TDK wasn't a superhero movie. Too grounded to be one on the critic's eyes at least.
>Realistic I believe the word was.

>>85162166
Closer to 7.04(Marvel) vs 5.4(DC)

But doesn't really matter to me.
I like what I like despite the critics of the world, stopped reading video game reviews years ago and never once read a movie review.
I don't need other people to tell me what to like.

>Bad movies get shit reviews
>B-BUT THE FANS WILL LIKE IT!

The damage control is ridiculous

>>85160368
Leto looking like the fucking wizard of Oz in this pic. Why is he such a fucking loser?

>>85160368
>/tv/
i like how every single response is basically "lol people who didn't like our movie arent fans and don't enjoy watching movies, normal people will love it xD". and then the movie gets released and everyone thinks it's shit, just like bvs.

>>85162361
I have to say I agree. Switch out all the Batman related stuff and it wouldn't make much of a difference.

>>85161151
It was in response to them saying they don't like superhero movies you retard.

>>85162064
>Thin Wall
>Ever good

>>85162496
He's mostly fronting a rock band.

>>85162429
Hey guess what?
>the fans are liking it

>>85160368

>>"Of course you want critical acclaim, of course, but what matters is what the fans think. We’re really proud of this film, we loved making it, everybody on the film has become really close friends and this is like a work of love and I hope the fans like it" - JOEL KINNAMAN

guy shouldn't be allowed to make movies after robocop

>>85162396
Its not about you liking it or not, its about how it faired as a whole and helps determine whether owning parties decide if its profitiable to continue those ventures.

Jesus people like you are stupid. "Hurr hurr me no let critics or reviews tell me wat to like, me stick it to the man me no sheeple". Its about performance, its not telling YOU what YOU need to like.

>>85162217
I think it worked because the goal of the film was really just to sell the audience on Deadpool as a character. You didn't need an overly complicated plot, just one simple enough for the main character to shine. In that sense, trying to sell a character like Deadpool, warts and all, was daring. If the character didn't sell, then it would have fallen flat on its face both critically and commercially.

>>85162064
>judging a movie based on how many good female characters it has
Fuck off feminist cunt, capeshit movies clearly aren't for you.

>>85162589
"fans"

I love how every single time, the response is "We made it for the people who don't think it's shit."

>>85162589

But I'm a fan of SS and I don't like this.

>>85162691
And people like you are just as bad.
Why should we give a damn about the monetary performance of companies?
But hey, you like what you like and I'll like what I like.

>>85162589
Isn't that what makes them fans?

>>85162589
What are "fans" in this context?
People who like the Suicide Squad comics, old or new?
Because that's a fucking small market to go after.

People who like the DCEU?
Because audience reactions for both movies haven't been great.

>>85162833
Jee its almost like if a company makes good movies that get good reviews and make money, they might continue to expand the franchise that you like and you get to see more of what you like.

If Iron Man had bombed do you think the MCU would be what it is now? Not saying I like or dislike the MCU, but if you're a huge fan of marvel and wanted more marvel movies you would direclty benefit from how well Iron Man did.

>>85162753
I can't base a movie on how good the characters are anymore?

>>85162937
Iron Man 1 was my favorite MCU movie, it kinda went down hill from there. Not horrible, mind you, but somewhere between Hulk and Iron Man 2 something changed. (Maybe something actually did, I really don't follow shit, so maybe I'm just ignorant there.)

>>85162896
Hot Topic

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>>85160368
Now let's compare to BvS:

http://www.ew.com/article/2016/03/24/batman-v-superman-cast-responds-to-reviews

.“What is going to really matter, I believe, is what the audience says,” Henry Cavill said. “Because they’re the ones who are buying tickets, they’re the ones who want to see more of this kind of story, or not. So the audience’s voice is loudest, and after this weekend, the audience will at least partly have spoken.”

>Director Zack Snyder said he made the film based on the aesthetic of comic books he loves, “and I don’t know how else to do it, so it is what it is.” Amy Adams emphasized that they didn’t make the film “for the critics,” and Gal Gadot thinks Snyder did “fantastic work” bringing Superman and Batman together. Jesse Eisenberg doesn’t watch the movies he’s in, much less read reviews.

>“I don’t even watch the movies I’m in, I get very critical,” Eisenberg said. “So I don’t like reading stuff either. It’s distracting.”

>>85163080
They're missing Affleck's completely detached "I agree"

>>85163029
Yes, but my point is it doesn't matter what you as an individual likes. Lots of people out their really love the MCU, but my point stands that if the first movie bombed, then it would have likely affected the entire franchise.

So, if you like a franchise and would love to see more movies, its good for the movies to rake in cash and get reviews that spread it around. Not letting reviews or those pesky rotten tomaters % affect what you like is fine and all, but it generally good for the movie to do well on those fronts and it does reflect the general "feel" the movie is garnering.

They are also right more often than not with your average person.

>>85163112
>>85163080
I fucked up and forgot to include it.

>“I agree,” Ben Affleck added.

>>85163080
Do they still give out Razzie Awards? Eisenberg HAS to be a candidate with that Lex performance.

>>85163189
Nah, I don't think the acting was the problem. He's probably not the one who decided to make Lex a twitchy weirdo, he just acted it out.

>>85162805
What do you expect them to say? "Looks like our movie is shit; you probably shouldn't go and see it."

If you want honest opinions from creators at least wait until it's out on DVD. Or whatever the hell they're on these days.

So in short they made a 2 hour music video

>>85163291
It's just such a meaningless statement. It isn't even defending the movie.

>>85162896
People who wanted to see this movie, which includes fans of Ostrander's run.

>>85162064
I hope you live in Anonymous proxy too!

>>85163404
And when they see the movie and don't like it, do they no longer count as members of the target audience?

>>85160836
look at Sausage Party and the new Ghostbusters

>>85163189
not much lex = bed performance

holy holy holy kek

>>85163495
Why wouldn't they like it?

>>85160368
>Feel bad for them, /tv/.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YjGrZYRAtc

>>85160368
The fuck is Leto wearing? He looks like a Leprechaun.

>>85160622

I wrote the movie off with the casting of "The Fresh Prince of Belle Reve"

SS is currently at 27%. Must be shit. at least if it was anywhere between 50% and 75% I could assume i'll still like it. Now I just know it won't be. I think what will ruin it for me is the really shitty jokes I keep hearing about. Maybe the movie would of done good if it was rated R.

>>85161732
This is what I believe. Somehow only Nolan is allowed to do serious, and only with Batman, and everything else has to be tongue in cheek Marvel. I HATE this idea that superheroes are somehow an inherently silly concept and can't possibly elevate past that, and therefore must always be "fun".

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The DCEU is dead. Bury it.

>>85166006
why do people assume critics just want it to be like marvel? why cant we just accept the fact these movies havent been good and their opinions on why they arent good are more than reasonable?
-shit villain
-shit jokes
-no plot
-no character development
-huge fucking mess

If you notice these problems then it should be easy for you to understand their point of view. Even if you end up liking the movie, you should at least understand why they shit on it.

>>85164417
It's called Fashion you mouth breather.

>>85160368
>"I made the movie for real people who live in the real world."
>If you don't like it, you are not a real person. You retroactively do not exist.

what the fuck is jared leto wearing

>>85160780
Well it was a comic adaption.

>pander to normies
>fail
>w-we totally made it for you guys...

>>85166298
>green coat
>pink slacks
>fashion

i'd laugh if I saw anyone walked the streets looking like that. the color choices themselves don't mesh well.

>>85166337
It looked better before they made him take off his joker paint.

>>85161836
At this point, other than Affleck, they have no big names attached anyway.

>inb4 woll smoth

>>85166217
>why do people assume critics just want it to be like marvel?
Because Marvel is the hot shit and the safe bet that proved to be sucessful. Like one anon above said MCU movies are mostly judged as a brand.
That it took until Civil War for them to go "darker" and that Disney was worried it might be too dark should tell you something.

>>85166217
>Shit villain
>Shit jokes
>no plot
Sounds like a typical Marvel movie.

>>85160368
Saw the movie. It was good. The marvel bias is real. The soundtrack was the real hero. Among the actors, Willie was the best. Wanted more Leto.

>>85166217
Don't forget all the characters are super dark and edgy, I miss old batman and superman.

>>85166440
you must be upset.

Funny part is, this IS actually for the fans!

There are no bastardized characterizations like Batman v Superman.

But DC already used this excuse with BvS so its laughable now

>>85166217
Maybe because alot of fucking of the reviews mention Marvel "winning" formula.

>>85166513
>le ebin voices in my head harley
>no bastardized characterizations

>>85166522
Ah yes, the tripfag that weeks ago was showing off how the DCEU was truly progressive.
Get btfo.

>>85166513
Yeah those three fans of Nu52 Suicide Squad

>>85166513
>https://my.mixtape.moe/uhkisu.webm
>no bastardized characterizations

???????????

>>85166539
You're complaining about one line? Which was a joke by Harley? Who is known to make shitty jokes?

Burn the DCEU, focus on Affleck's Batman.

>>85166522
well its true. There's a reason why those movies are generally loved, but these movies that try to be cool end up being hot garbage. They have a specific formula that keep them good overall. sure they arent perfect, but you can still leave the theater satisfied unlike these DC movies... unless you have no taste

>>85166488
That Marvel has let mediocrity become the gold standard? Yeah, a little bit.

>>85160780

300 is absolutely a superhero movie, just one that takes place in 480 BC.

>>85166582
I don't think I wanted to see a modern Bronze Tiger anyway to be honest. Him being attached to the League of Assassin's doesn't help either since I'm pretty sure they are staying away from Ra's for a while after the Nolan trilogy.

>>85166587
It's an example. You can bring up literally any bit of dialogue she spouts in the movie as an example of her being out of character.

>>85166583
>The Joker can never care for Harley
No that's dumb anon, you want the joker to interact with other characters besides Batman. At the point it is something that is desperately needed for him.

>>85166605
>They have a specific formula that keep them good overall. sure they arent perfect, but you can still leave the theater satisfied
Are you telling me you left Thor 2 feeling satisfied?

>>85166667
Dini disagress...so does basically everyone else.

>>85166609
>muh opinions

>>85166685
Most of /co/ loves the Thor movies, dude.

>>85166667
The last time I checked her being an annoying cunt was part of her DCAU version. Joker even once bitched her out because she had to explain a joke and that wasn't funny.

>>85166550
When did i ever do that?
>>85166605
They arent that good. I havent seen a marvel movie more than once. They are great at getting your attention but its staying power is meh.

>>85166720
PFFTHAHAHHAHHA shit no man.

>>85166685
>cherrypicking
I didn't say all of them. Thor 2 was mediocre but it's still a better structured movie then all 3 of the DC films that have come out.

>>85166747
They're cute and comfy movies, stop being so ass ravaged.

>>85166685
I don't have an egg in this but why does Thor 2 keep getting brought up as the worst MCU (I don't agree that it's the WORST, but that's not the point) movie? In 10 years, is it still gonna be brought up?

>>85166583
>Joker loves Harley
I like it. It feels like a more fleshed out relationship and it makes that domestic abuse angle all the more real.

>>85166788
1st one was great despite what people on here say. 2nd was forgettable

>>85166778
You implied all of them though. You can say"Marvel movies are satisfying" and then say 'no i meant these ones not those"

>>85166788
You're husbando a shit.

>>85166674
See >>85166704

>>85166796
Don't know, I personally haven't seen it because of how fucking awful Thor 1 was. Literally took all of the interest I had in the MCU and just made it disappear.

>>85166796
Incredible Hulk was much worse.

>>85166796
It's literally the only universally agreed bad MCU Cinematic Universe movie.

>In 10 years, is it still gonna be brought up?

No, in 4 years the DCEU will cease to exist and DC fags won't bring up any movies ever again.

>>85166796
Because they wasted Asgard.

>>85166880
Not even remotely close. Norton was also much better than Marc whats his fuck.

>>85166854
I was speaking generally. I never said all nor was it implied. You just assumed.

>>85160368
>It’s weird that some of the criticism I heard was that it was "too much like a comic book", in terms of you have these characters being objectified like Harley Quinn, there are just certain elements that are just part of being a comic book
Gotta have to agree with this one. This actually reminds me of that one chick of AoS that pretty much complained about how women in comics are so objectified and that it really feels refreshing for them to be showcased in a much more "empowered" role in the live action.
I've got the feeling that we're never gonna get real cheesecake out of the MCU movie aside from maybe ScarJo unzipping her catsuit a little. God forbid Carol Danvers wearing her Earth Mightiest Heroes costume.

>>85166828
>Implying there is and there will be abuse

You're cute

>>85166916
It really was. It was a piece of shit and the Hulk is a shit character. I do agree Mark Ruffalo is trash, If i have to look at his stupid fucking face one more time.

>>85166890
And will do so in Ragnarok

>>85166993
~Aw shucks anon

>>85166513
>this IS actually for the fans!
Maybe DC should stop making fan-films and start doing actual quality movies.

>wow sockhead nazi is too comicbooky, let's just make him a shittier punisher but mad at the Avengers
Bravo

>>85163080
>he made the film based on the aesthetic of comic books he loves
and only the aesthetic because I'm pretty sure he doesn't actually read them

>>85160368
I sorta had hopes for the movie because it started of pretty damn good. The hopes were crushed as it just dragged on towards the middle, and the only halfway interesting part about the final fight was Diablo going full on Aztek God.
The Joker never acted like the Joker should, which could be forgiven in the flashback scenes because that could've just been Harley's perception of him, but that excuse doesn't work when he acts all lovey-dovey with her in the present as well. I still think Leto has it in himself to play a good Joker, but that isn't what you get in this movie. Other than that I liked many of the individual performances which makes it all the more sad to say that the movie just comes off as really average.

5/10, will probably see a Director's Cut when it comes out on BluRay.

>>85167147
He's one of those guys that reads watchmen every couple of years and is stuck on that phase where he think it's the greatest comic book ever. That fucks with your artistic sensibilities.

>>85167231
I am convinced he hasn't actually read Watchmen

so much surface-level shit flew so far over his head Neil Armstrong was jealous, never mind anything deeper

>>85167276
Reading != comprehending

He thought he could improve on the story. He couldn't.

>>85167078
Yeah that bothered me too. Especially since they had a movie concept art of Zemo with the damn mask on.

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>>85166828

Haven't seen the movie yet, but there's been hint of that since inception - the roses offered in Mad love may be manipulative, but there's so traces of affection too.

And if not love, there certainly is a possessiveness of Joker toward Harley.

If done with the light touch it calls for, could make for something pretty interesting.

>>85167078
>QUICK, attack Marvel. Attack Marvel

DC is just fucking pathetic at this point.

>>85167672
Shows how confident you are though by responding to it

>>85162064
Well that's what's making the movie so famous with teenagers. Who cares about the story when they can see a slutty Harley.
welp That's marketing for you.

>>85167811
It's an image board, replies aren't a sign of unconfidence. We are here to discuss shit.

>>85166006
>Only Nolan's Batman movies are allowed to take themselves seriously

>X-Men movies exist, take themselves seriously, and the only ones that were poorly received were Last Stand and Apocalypse

Face it, DC can't win on the movie front. They're gonna get bad reviews and they're gonna get middling box office. They came to the cape movie party too god damn late.

And they don't HAVE to be like Marvel to be fun. Superman is a serious character but he's never been fucking emo like Snyder's version.

>>85163711
Ghostbusters is because vaginas.

Sausage Party is because sausage I guess.

>>85167966
Why are we trusting Warner Brothers to make good superhero films?

Nolan aside, they've done pretty shit to mediocre. Superman Returns was passable, but that was it.

They have consistently given us shit. Catwoman, Green Lantern, Jonah Hex, The Losers.

No DC film has been good in a long while. Specially not those with characters from DC comics and not Vertigo.

>>85166217
But most of those are present in like hlf of Marvel's movies - Thor, Thor 2, AOU, IM2, IM3 - and they're all "fresh" on Rotten Tomatoes.

>>85168567
Marvel movies are at least entertaining, build a larger world, and don't have editing problems or extensive production problems.

Why are DCucks so stuck on the "Marvel movies are shit" argument? Do you really watch BvS and think it's better than most Marvel movies? BvS was a fucking mess. Just take out Batman and Superman, replace them with other characters and the movie is still a mess.

You take Thor from his movies and put in another character, and it's still a decent movie. Maybe not as hyped, but still now an editing and shit plot ridden shitfest like BvS, and now Suicide Squad.

>>85168748
Thor 2 had some pretty extensive production problems

>>85167647

He likes her the way you like a convenient pet. She's somewhat entertaining, useful, and fun to kick around when he's pissed, but he'd ditch her at any time just to help himself.

>>85168748
They are encouraged because Civil war is probably the worst capeshit movie yet.

>>85162337
We've already gotten a good white one and a bad white one; may as well see how well a curry can do.

My favorite Marvel movie is the one where every movie is all about Tony Stark even though its not his movie and how Tony apparently is a god in their universe making vision and spidermans suit....... mmmmmm ..... RDJ is the cow and Marvel is the Milk

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>>85169024

>>85167966
X-men movies are not Superhero movies either.
>No code name
>no colorful costumes
>no Supervillain

>>85163711
Ghostbusters got by with barely a 6.5/10 (just barely fresh), and Sausage Party isn't out yet.

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>>85169277
superheroes don't need colorful costumes, m8

>>85169230
don't get me wrong i was a fan of marvel movies over dc but on CW they fucking kiss their asses instead of fighting it was extremely fucking gay, probably some husbandofags liked that idk

>>85162016
You could say that DC properties are more ingrained in the culture and therefore have more to live up to. I can almost guarantee you that until the last 10 years happened, nobody knew what the fuck Rocket Racoon or Thor (the superhero) were, but they damn well knew who Batman, Superman, the Joker, and (I realize he's Marvel) Spiderman are.

>>85169402
>instead of fighting
hwat

>>85160368
>Will Smith is a part of the movie

I knew to stay away from this turd when I found that out

>>85162536
>switch out the entire plot and it wouldn't make a difference

You're a fucking idiot. kys

>>85166583
>this pop music in the background
Tasteless

I like the colors though.

>>85166942
Not every comic needs TnA. Not every comic movie needs TnA.

You'd almost think people went to see superhero movies for the action and the characters.

>>85169478
it was called civil war not discuss and misunderstandings of suburban costume guys

>>85167896
Discuss this *unzip balls*

>>85169616
yeah, which is why they fought a bunch

>>85169671
*unsheathes my Katana*
Back the fuck off!?!

>>85169727
>see this guy i just find out of fucking nowhere, he can like become small and all, he gonna fight with us
>ok but why?
>on a two seconds comment of his movie they implayed that he was against stark
>ok dude

>oh did i hurt you?
>sorry ima miss next one ok
>look my new awesome technique lmao
>ouch that's gonna hurt tomorrow
>dude i'm gonna betray that guy i never really agree with
>oh no! rhodes is dead.. oh wait he'll be just fine haha

>>85160368
Critics are bunch of live-hate beings. I loved the movie, and that's it.
If you read comments of people who actually saw it youll see most of them are 4 stars and up.
Fuck critics.

>>85160368
>"You tasteless nerds WILL enjoy my shit sandwich!"

God's cock...

jesus christ what's with all the console warring

is this what /tv/ is like or are shitposters from /v/ migrating over to fuck up /co/ as well

There is no "DC vs Marvel". It costs fucking zero dollars to see a movie if you're willing to wait a few months. You like DC better? Good for you, that's fine, but you're an idiot if you're not even WATCHING the films of both companies.

And there clearly IS something up with how movies are being rated by critics. This isn't me being a "DCuck". I like both. Spiderman is my favorite mainstream superhero. I'm not super attached to the Avengers but I've watched all of the MCU films and I've liked a fair number of them. I think Winter Solider especially was a very good movie, and that Civil War wasn't as bad as people are saying it is. Ant Man was fun. And I'm not at all a fan of Nolan's Batmans.

But even I can see that there's something seriously fucked up in the critic sphere. Age of Ultron is Certified Fresh? AoU was the worst capeflick I've ever fucking seen, and I've watched Catwoman, I've watched SM3, ASM2, X3, I've watched every Batman movie. It doesn't fucking deserve twice the critic approval of BvS. BvS wasn't a masterpiece, but it damn well wasn't as bad as people say it is. I wanted to leave the fucking theater during AoU.

Yes, the majority of MCU films are better than the DCEU ones, but not Thor 2 or AoU, and definitely not by THAT much. And I don't know if it's just shit taste, or critics being overexposed to Marvel stuff to the point that they don't remember there are other ways to do it, or if the more offensive, gritty nature of DCEU films is offending the critics. But they aren't as bad as they're made out to be.

In conclusion remove /v/ and remove /tv/.

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>>85162496

>why?

you know the answer

>>85166437
Winter Soldier was plenty dark.

>>85170034
Rhodes is a fucking cripple now and Pym shit-talked Stark plenty. They began the fucking movie with Hank leaving SHIELD because of Stark's bullshit.

You're retarded.

>>85170554
One injured, pretty dark and deep movie, the godfather of capeshit flims, disney is probably gonna make them sing some shit while battle on the next one, fuck i'll just drop this fucking movies with CW: friendship is magic and fucking snyderverse there's no hope.

>>85160368
>suicide squad on suicide watch

>>85170034
But it's very clear that Falcon was impressed by Ant-Man after being beaten by him and got into contact with him on behalf of the Avengers prior to Civil War. That's hardly out of nowhere. And hank being against Stark had nothing to do with them recruiting Scott. Again, they just recruited him because they had previously contacted him, and because he clearly looked up to them.

Dislike the movie all you want, but at least come up with reasons that aren't stupid.

https://www.yahoo.com/movies/suicide-squad-unlikely-to-get-china-release-005102541.html

Shut it down

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>>85170862
hey! I made that same joke earlier.

>>85160368
>Joker shorter than Harley
Please don't tell me it's this obvious in the movie.

>>85160368
>made the movie for real people who live in the real world. I made the movie for people who actually love movies and go and see movies.
Next stop, Loadahorseshit Station

>>85170911
>https://www.yahoo.com/movies/suicide-squad-unlikely-to-get-china-release-005102541.html

Help me /co/, I can't make fun of DCucks any longer, it's not even funny at this point

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>>85170957
are you looking at cara delevigne? because margot robbie is noticeably shorter than leto.

>>85170825
God you're pathetic.

>>85171174
Oh shoot, I was

>Joker shorter than enchantress

>>85170911
Eh, It might end up releasing in China week later. Still, it might even need that market as Deadpool still made a shit ton as mentioned in the article.

So did no one actually see this yet.

Cause I kinda loved it, and I HATED BVS

>>85171187
that's what i get for watching little kid's movies

>>85171223
Cara's wearing heels m8. Apparently she's actually 1.7 to his 1.8.

>>85169353
Sausage Party still has 8 reviews already you dummy. And Ghostbuster is still "fresh." I'm just saying the entire idea of aggregate reviews are idiotic, because the barrier to entry to being reviewer is lower than ever.

>>85160368
I havent seen the movie yet but what went wrong? The trailers had everyone excited and it looked like it would be a huge hit.

>DC fans don't like DCEU
>Marvel fans don't like DCEU
>Film buffs don't like DCEU
>Critics don't like DCEU

No no, you Snyder dickriders, you're the ones that are right. Carry on.

>>85170340
you know, /tv/ might be shit, but they've had better conversations about BvS and Skwad than /co/ has

>>85170443
hahaha you really think that shit was dark? There were no consequences or dark implications or anything. The bad guys were defeated, Fury wasn't dead, nothing happened except the dissolution of SHIELD (which really had no barring on anything) and Bucky will return as a good guy.


Goddamn, have you ever watch a real movie?

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How was Smith's performance in the movie. I've got a big soft spot for him.

>>85172336
What makes a movie dark isnt just the end result of the actions, but how it's portrayed. Even children's animated movies can be dark. You sound like a massive edgelord saying that a movie cant be dark unless everyone dies and the villains win.

>>85172475

Do you like Will Smith? He's Will Smith, you'll love him.

>>85172176

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMqZ2PPOLik

You left out the quote from the chick who plays the Enchantress admitting that the movie 'wasn't perfect'.

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STOP IT, MARVEL! HE'S ALREADY DEAD!

>>85162016
Shit like this that actually makes me wonder if Disney paid off critics to put their reviews as negative over positive and just be more leaning in that regard.

I actually liked TIH though but Thor 2 was actual ass.

>>85160368
>"I came in your mom, Will" - Jared Leto

>>85173241
The bad Marvel movies coast on goodwill from earlier movies, and good movies come out more frequently than bad movies, so the bad movies have a cushion

WB used up what goodwill they had from Batman Begins and Dark Knight with Superman Returns and Dark Knight Rises, so Man of Steel didn't have the cushion, and in turn neither did BvS or Suicide Squad

Literally the only reason I want to see this movie is for Katana, Captain Boomerang, and I like Will Smith and DC.

How fucked am I, mates?

>>85160368

>ITS OKAY TO OBJECTIFY HARLEY CUZ COMICS

except for how shes not even from the comics, and she was never objectified and had more clothing than most the men, sure.

>WE MADE IT FOR THE FANS

cop out answer. its not like they held a survey asking fans what they wanted then just wrote a script around it.

>>85174264
Not at all, even based Ostrander liked it.

>>85170911
And now, ladies and gentlemen, if you take out your binoculars and look upward you can see the vultures circling.

"It's bad because we made it for people with bad taste"

Good answer t b h

>>85174329
Because it gets his comics a boost in sales and he knows what side his bread is buttered on.

>>85161607
>MY OPINIONS ARE FACTS!

Everything wrong with dckeks summed up in one post

>>85174495
How? Are fans of his comics going to go "oh wow, that movie inspired by your comic is good? better buy those trades". Considering the fact that anyone that would look up his thoughts are already comic book fans that have already read his comics.

So yeah, what you're saying is retarded and makes no sense.

>>85174511
Go and stay go, /v/. Console wars don't belong on /co/.

>>85162056
QUIT USING LOGIC ON MY BULLETPROOF CONSPIRACY THEORIES!!!. WHAT ARE YOU, A FUCKIN SHILL FOR THE EXAMPLE INDUSTRY?

>>85166513
THE JOKER does not tell A JOKE the entire movie. Killer Crock is legit cooning. Will Smith does his best Will Smith impression and other characters refer to him as Deadshot.

Wait a second, this is one of those "bait" posts I've read about, huh?

>>85163115
How are they more right.
I can also make an "critic" by saying nothing the whole review but "muhvel is better"
Critics are pointless , they are just here to prevent and to dull audience 's own critical thinking

>>85177336
How often does The Joker tell jokes in the comics?
My impression was that it isn't very often, but then I don't read comics very often either.

>BvS and SS both have the same RT score (27%)
>Green Lantern is only 1% below it

The more I think about it, the more I realize the real problem might just be Geoff Johns.

>>85166942
> Black Widow's tight figure hugging costume.

> Wanda's tight pants and zettai ryouki in Civil War.

> Diana's saucy Amazon get-up in BvS.

The cheescake still there, anon, just not as in your face.

>>85166890
Thor 2 is frustrating because you can glimpse the movie it could have been.

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>>85177549

>he wrote the wonder woman script in 4-6 weeks

well, here's hoping the flash and aquaman solos aren't completely fucked by wb since they have their own writers and 2 great directors

>we did it for the fans

WEW LAD

>>85173188
Marvel is literally Kenshiro.

>>85164253

Holy shit, this is great. Which of you chill deficient motherfuckers made this?

>>85166720
/co/ hates Thor and 99% here would agree the Thor franchise is the weakest compared to Cap and Iron Man trilogy.

>>85170340
If you think Age of Ultron is worse than Catwoman you have serious fucking problems.

Also, I think you can count yourself amongst the countless people of /co/ who don't understand how Rotten Tomatoes works. Most of the reviews for Marvels movies aren't twice as high - only that twice as many people enjoyed them. That's a fairly major difference that none of the assblasted anons on here ever seem to realise.

>>85177549
>the more I realize the real problem might just be Geoff Johns.

In what way?

>>85166403
Affleck will be the only decent director working on DC movies.

>>85174286
>except for how shes not even from the comics, and she was never objectified and had more clothing than most the men, sure.

Where the fuck have you been for the last couple of years?

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>>85160368
>>"I made the movie for real people who live in the real world.
we don't want that why the hell do you think we came to a movie?

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>>85160765
>mfw marvelshills put this as a proof of their superiority
>mfw the scores of The Hulk, AoU and IM2 and 3 show bias beyong any reasonable doubt

>>85177918

Eh, I'd put my money on Wan delivering a more interesting Aquaman movie than the solo batman

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>>85178007
he did it for the (You)s same as (You)

>audience score is 74% fresh at 3.9/5
>it's beating Civil War in the few countries where it's already out
>fucking Ostrander himself has said he loves it

B-but the flick filosopher s-said it was sexist trash h-haha

>>85178075
>74%
Holy shit the movie was so bad they actually made people change their initial "want to see" to "piece of shit"

>>85178118

Do you seriously don't know the difference between the "want to see" and the "audience score"?

>>85178166
I know the initial vote carries over. And before release, it was sitting at 99% want to see from 50k votes. So about 49.5k wanted to see it. On release, when it changes to an Audience Score of 74% from 64k votes counting the initial 50k votes, that means it's got 47k people liking it. Meaning, 2.5k people actually changed their votes.

>>85160696
>marvel
>superhero films

The only times Marvel made a superhero film, those films tanked, so you can fuck off.

The DC movies are good.

>>85160765
>Ant Man
>better than DC

That right there should tell you there is absolute horseshit going on.

>>85178198
>>85178198

Jesus christ. Jesus fucking christ. You really don't know how that works and it's the dumbest thing ever.

The 3.9/5 rating is also carried over (WTF?) from the "want to see" score too?

>>85178245
Hi, Zack.

>>85177549

I can't believe it.

There was more wrong with GL than there was with BvS.

Hell I'd put Thor 2 at the same level as GL, simply because Thor 2 was drivel. Bad villain, plot goes nowhere and only exists to be a plug for AoU/Infinity War. Muh Jane, etc.

>>85178245
Sure buddy

>>85178337

People just hate DC and that's that. Critics have taken sides in this meme company war and they are going to trash anything DC does. BvS was bad but not 27% rotten bad, Thor 2 was probable 27% rotten bad, Green Lantern too. AoU shouldn't be fresh, it's the last Marvel film I went to see at a theater and only now with Dr. Strange I'm doubting if I'll be back

>>85160780
>implying spartans weren't superheroes

>>85160368
>I made the movie for people who actually love movies and go and see movies.
I love movies but Suicide Squad was crap

>>85178337
Still Thor 2 is better than anything DCEU. And everyone knows that Thor 2 is a turd.

Isn't it a better business decision to make a film for both fans AND newcomers?

>>85178703
>Still Thor 2 is better than anything DCEU

Not really, no. Maybe Green Lantern but that's it

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>>85178075
>If i point out over and over what a bunch of stupid people said about sexism maybe i'll convince everyone that the entire critique against the movie was as irrational

>>85160368
Fuck critics imma see it ten times in IMAX

>>85179167
No you want!

>>85162195
The dceu is walking proof that comic movies aren't meant for mainstream appeal. Thankfully we still have rebirth to keep up warm at night.

>>85177786
>Also, I think you can count yourself amongst the countless people of /co/ who don't understand how Rotten Tomatoes works.
let's be honest, only you, me and maybe 50 people at best on the entire internet know how rotten tomatoes actually works

>>85178412
This is what it ultimately boils down too. DC struck first with the Nolan films, and marvel capitalized on the market. It does not matter what DC here on out they are destined for failure with the movies.

It's cool and fashionable these days to hate on DC and has been for some time now.

>>85179271
>It's cool and fashionable these days to hate on DC and has been for some time now.
Dc deserve it.

Nolan's dick must taste like candy with how much these films seem to slobber all over it, failure after failure.

> I made the movie for real people who live in the real world

> making a capeshit movie for normies

i'm glad it failed

>>85179283
As a long time DC fan:
Yes, DC deserves all the hate and ire it gets and more.

>>85179283
>DC deserve it

Considering rebirth blows anything marvel is putting out currently. Or is this some ass pain from the past that ultimately doesn't matter anymore.

>>85179295
>Rebirth
Yeah, people said that about Flashpoint and Nu52
They are all one note garbage with the only focus on trying to piss off fans so they will buy MORE comics.

>>85179295
Well... I'll better not answering this.

>>85179334
>piss off fans
Rebirth is actually the opposite, they are going pretty hard on the nostalgia. Pretty much the other way from Nu52

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>>85179295
> one decent comic reboot excuses years of nu52, Snyder and WB

You're a fucking idiot.

>>85179334
As opposed to flushing down the toilet years of history for the sake of being progressive and equality?

>>85179343
Tell me. You replying like that just shows that as of this moment you have nothing.

>I don't agree with what anon said
>post I'm not touching that one
>that showed him

Double Toasted review is out!

Korey fucking looses it towards the end.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nsyNWktNYHA

>>85179374
Marvel just fells better for me than Dc, i do not like story about some rich white powerful fags and their adventures.

>>85179369
The only flaw you have said is wb. Ultimate edition shows that's, plus the shit about squads heavy editing furthering it.

Also saying how new 52 is trash now isn't anything revolutionary. Hating on in hindsight has been around forever. Civil War was a wildfire when it came out and now it's cool to shit on it. Same with House of M. So you're playing a used card in the name of being lazy.

When new 52 started it was good, some went to shot and others stayed good and got better. Let's not acknowledge that though. It's easier to throw shit at it.

>>85179402
Why not just say
>rich powerful fags

>>85179402
And this opposes marvel how?

Rob Liefeld just posted on his Twitter that he's a Harleyfag and he wants a solo movie for Harley

>>85179374
You seem to be confused, the comic book market is at the moment driven on pissing people off and tricking them into buying more comics.
Marvel isn't better about it, they both are doing the 'hip progressive fuck our own fandoms' bullshit.
But Marvel at least puts out good films that can feel different from one another.
DC is just regurgitating all the shit that comes out of Nolen's ass.

>>85179438
Harley, Deadshot and Katana are the only good parts of this shitfest

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Has this qt said anything about criticism, or she wouldn't lower herself to petty excuses?

"M-muh fans of Glass' run on Suicide Squad!"

>>85179449
>good films

That's where your wrong. Marvel hasn't done anything good about it. It's pandering casual shit.

>>85178075
>fucking Ostrander himself has said he loves it
Source.

>>85179413
>all those posts sucking the dick of Rebirth looking exactly like the posts sucking the dick of nu52 five years ago
History repeats itself

>>85160368
Wait, did Ayer just literally go "you just hate fun" there?

>>85179465
She broke new ground, saying they did it for the fans.

>>85179466

If you want artsy film school sundance wank
>/tv/

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>>85164253
>that laughing Evans at the end

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>>85166883
>he really thinks the Capeshit arguments will stop after the DCEU dissapears

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>Using RT as an indicator of quality
>When Ghostsbusers '16 has a positive rating

>>85179466
>normies like it so it's pandering

I love how the apparent way to make a good film is to make one 99% of people don't like.

>Find out yesterday certain mexican theater chain isn't going to show Skwad today
>chrisevans.webm

haha, can't wait for nostalgia critic to rip this shitty movie apart in his review xD

#FuckDC

>>85179706
>has no idea how RT works
GB is mediocre it's bad but not the worse film
Suicide Squad is just plain bad

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>>85179706

>>85172336
It's dark because of the real world parallels with government surveillance. It was coincidental timing, but the Snowdon leaks makes it hit home.

>>85179379
The guy raises a good point, if most of these freaks and metahumans come either from Batman's roster or ancient magic stuff, why is it suddenly all about Superman? In this universe there's nothing special about him other than he causes lots of trouble. Batman is a veteran, so are his villains and other super people. Lex hates Superman in particular for being a "god" when he knows of the existence of others almost as powerful that have been fucking around for way longer

>>85179844
Imo I found Suicide Squad to be better and more enjoyable than GB'16

But hey I'll be labeled as someone with shit taste here whose opinion is completely disregarded so it doesn't matter I guess

>>85180029

Sorry to trigger you, friend.

>>85179550

Just like she gets bullied into everything else.

>>85180129
Nah man it wasn't you, just kinda reached the point where admitting my opinion on DCEU movies is moot over here, less of a trigger and more of just a realization

>audience metrics finally go up on RT

>drops straight to 74% liking

Not too bad, but the weekend has just started.

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>>85179379
>THEY FANTASTIC FOUR'D THIS SHIT

With most of the reviews blaming the editing and shit, is it mostly executive's fault for meddling/micromanaging? The critics seem fine with the actors portrayals from what I've read.

In any case, I don't know if it's 27% bad but I don't think it was particularly good either

>>85180396
The tomatometer is roughly just how many people liked it, average rating is 4.7/10, is that about right?

>>85180395
There's also the complaints about Enchantress being too boring for a villain, characters being mostly just there doing nothing, and the 3rd act being too much of a cliche and pointless CGfest, which is being compared to the Doomsday fight or the Fant4stic ending

Haven't seen the movie so i'm not endorsing, just saying what i'm seeing and hearing

>>85180395
Hell the rt page even says the same thing
>Critics Consensus: Suicide Squad boasts a talented cast and a little more humor than previous DCEU efforts, but they aren't enough to save the disappointing end result from a muddled plot, thinly written characters, and choppy directing.
Dunno if it lessen's the actors' anxiety and such.

>>85167231
Than what is Mr.Expert?

>all these people now have to live with their embarrassing SKWAD tattoos

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>>85179379
>last 30 minutes is horrible

Holy shit, these niggers can read my mind.

>>85180494
That was their own fault, RDJ is Iron Man, Hugh Jackman is Wolverine, Ryan Reynolds is Deadpool, etc, I don't think they tried to rub it in people's faces, well maybe Reynolds when they got the test footage done.

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>>85180395
>is it mostly executive's fault for meddling/micromanaging?
There is probably some sort of correlation

>>85180433
>There's also the complaints about Enchantress being too boring for a villain
This is 100% true. Everything about the third act of this movie completely burns the movie to the ground

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>>85180494
>tfw Will Smith tattooed everyone, but didn't get one himself

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>>85160368
>The movie is good
>the problem is with everyone else

Why do directors resort to attacking the audience?
>>85160689

>>85180610
>>85180494
I'm gonna guess these were the kind of tattoos that eventually fade away... why the heck would you mark yourself for life for such a small thing, successful movie or not?

>>85180647
It's partially a marketing ploy. Throughout the blitz WB kept trying to sell this movie as a madcap romp filled with absolute madmen who became lifelong fire-forged buddies, and getting matching tattoos is part of the glitz.

>>85180647
Well given it's not super fancy or huge they could just get something else tattooed over it, or try laser removal.

>>85160368
>>"I made the movie for real people who live in the real world. I made the movie for people who actually love movies and go and see movies. The movie’s a lot of fun and the fans are really going to enjoy this" - DAVID AYER

Then why did they have to do reshoots and cut out a shitload of scenes?

>>85180647
They claimed they were permanent. Though they also claimed that Jared Leto was being legitimately cuh-razy

>>85180647
LotR actors got their tattoos.