"SUICIDE SQUAD" RT WATCH PART 3

>>85092998
On a mountain of shit, yes.

>>85093042
First = best

>>85093042
/thread

I still believe.

>>85093042
Yeah it's not gonna get to 50%

>>85092998
It was at 38% this morning.

>>85092998
Well, at least this fag likes it, right?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKaLy54AbWs

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>neither WB nor Sony can make good movies

>Disney holds a monopoly on cinematic competence

Why?

>>85093312
Because Disney can buy out all the best people.

>>85093338
Yeah, its not like WB and Sony are loaded

>>85093338
WB fired Alan Horn and Disney picked his ass up ASAP. He's been killing it for them.

>Suicide squad being rated poorly

Oh god, the whole DCCU is a disaster.

>>85093365
Sony has been struggling for years now but WB is just plain incompetent.

>>85093415
Neither of these two hacks can make a good movie to save their fucking lives.

>>85093432
Whedon is a great filmmaker and storyteller though.

>>85093312
Disney/Marvel established the gold standard for superhero films, critics have pre-established notions and expectations that other companies are now expected to meet if they want to be a hit with critics and general audiences.

>>85093282
It was also at 6.4/10

>>85093445
Nah.

In hindsight all I ever wanted was the DCAU in live action, which will never happen. I just find this whole mess depressing now

>>85093466
Sorry, kiddo, it's true.

>>85093445
Serenity fucking sucks.

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>>85093502
*sad trombone*

I read a couple reviews that was completely trashing the movie because of how sexist it was.So now DC has to deal with SJWs too? Damn they are fucked.

>>85093482
nah, it's actually a competently made film. thanks for identifying yourself as a neanderthal with no critical analysis skills, though.

>>85093448
>shit plated gold standard

Remember when BvS came out and people were photoshopping the RT score to Fresh just to see what it feels like

That is what this reminds me of

>>85092998

TUMBLING DOWN

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>>85093573
>glorified TV movie
>competently made

You'd get laughed out of any serious place of discussion for that shit.

>>85093599
I wish I could experience that Red Son storytime for the first time again

>>85093548
>Sexist
I want to say it's from Harley's look, because it is terrible, but I'm going to assume it's Joker attitude towards her. Because people miss the fucking point of that relationship it seems

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>>85093312
WB and Sony are just repeating the same old mistakes, just with a new "cinematic universe" coat of painting

Sony had been fucking their ASM movies the same way they fucked SM3. WB keeps being the most confused person in the room shitting movies nobody really knows how to take, like Schumacher's Batmans, Catwoman or Green Lantern. Fox stays kinda in the middle i guess

They may be "the enstablishment" now, but mind that the Marvel Studios used to win against all the odds, the MCU used to be a risk, while the other production studios are (mostly) the usual bunch of out of touch Hollywood idiots thinking they can have any sort of audience in their pockets with the minimal effort


That being said i'm still looking foward to SS, maybe in the overall mediocrity i can still find something enjoyable. At this point i *have* to root for mediocrity over trainwrecks like BvS. Although helping the movie make money may teach the wrong lesson in the long run

>>85093548
Someone capped a review claiming it sucked because it "fetishized violence" and "gun worshipped" in a movie centered on the antics of violent criminals, one of which whose whole gimmick is centered on his ability with firearms, fighting violent monsters.

Why can't mods just make /cape/ or force this shit onto /tv/? Getting tired of this shit

>>85092998
Oh shit, looks like /co/ was wrong again. Who's got that one screenshot of all the box office and RT predictions?

I'm pretty sure that anon said Suicide Squad would be 78%

>>85093624
Like one person put it "there's more shots of her ass than shots of some of the team members"

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Oh...

>>85093639
This is the best current superhero content coming out. We refuse to talk about trash modern comics, sorry.

>>85093445
>great filmmaker
He's an alright TV Director.
>Great storyteller
How about no.

>>85093548
>you have to be an SJW to care about sexism

>>85093639
>>>/qa/

Make a thread there if you actually care. Hiro goes there to read suggestions.

>>85093639
Fucking this

I don't give a shit about board legacy, I just want a competent janitor

>>85093661
So for every fresh there's two rotten that comes along

How unfortunate

>>85093305
All the comments on that video are fanboys talking shit about Rotten Tomatoes lmao. And most of them are talking about RT like its a single critic and not a review aggregator, so they don't even know how the site works. People are dumb.

I hate Rotten Tomatoes


I hate their "Consensus". All of those professional reviews giving opinions and then some random anonymous chucklefuck comes in to give a 'summary' of it all. What are the credentials of the people writing those? Since when did a fucking agggregator give their own opinion


Secondly, I hate their format. The big green rotten might as well be flashing and neon just to make it stand out more from the actual review average. Its like the entire site is designed to appeal to the lowest common denominator that cant scroll down to actually read a review. They need the rotten/fresh system like a fucking child.


I especially laugh when I see Rotten Tomatoes brought up in tv ads for movies. The studios celebrating and fellating the critics, even though their next movie could be torn apart. Meanwhile the public now knows about RT thanks to YOU and will decide not to see your next movie. Dumbfucks. Rotten Tomatoes never had to advertise themselves, the studios did it for them.
I bet they regret that shit huh?

>>85093432
I don't know, Whedon has made some decent things I enjoy.

Snyder has like, 300 and that's it

>>85093677
The reviewer said that sometimes it feels like the movie is made for Ghostbuster trolls passing notes in detention. So, I'm guessing that dude is a SJW.

>>85093661
I'm sorry but the critics don't know what their talking about.

>>85093771
>the movie is made for Ghostbuster trolls passing notes in detention.
I refused to believe that a professional critic actually said that.

>>85093719
Stay salty my friend

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>DC will never be good

>>85093620
if you didn't actually watch the movie, then just say so. i'm pretty sure you're just a troll anyway, since you just singled out Serenity out of nowhere instead of his other greatest hits.

>>85093634
Vanity Fair said it was upseting that Deadshot had an adavity to guns given the current political climate.

>Ayer directing
>established B listers as the cast
>ostrander run influences
>everyone happy to be working on the movie
>great relationship between cast and crew
>PR stunts generating interest

This is bullshit. Everything about this says it should be good.

I refuse to believe there isn't bias at play here. Shills theory is retarded but there's definitely something foul going on.

>>85093677
That's what a lot of people think nowadays.

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>>85093482
Feel free to stop embarrassing yourself at any poing, ShitTasteAnon

>>85093671
>>/tv/

>>85093848
a bad script can tank a movie that otherwise looks good. ask ridley scott

>>85093677
I care about sexism when it actually happens. Hot girls being sexy in a movie isn't sexism. If you think it is then you should be executed.

>>85093445
He's got, like, one good idea in him and that's it. First Avengers is fun - Second Avengers tried to be fun+, and it fell flat. If he made a second season (or movie) of Firefly, I'd bet that it'd lose a lot of it's luster really quick.

>>85093719
That's why people should always form their own opinions. But it also doesn't hurt to use an aggregate site like RT to help you form that opinion. Sperging out about it doesn't help anyone.

I haven't seen it yet but I don't go believing shit from Vietnamese painting forums or review sites without confirming it myself. Whether it sucks ass or not it's gonna make money.
why the fuck most you faggots insist in waging console wars? it's so fucking retarded

>>85093312
Marvel studios is run by people who actually like comic book characters

>>85093953
>Whether it sucks ass or not it's gonna make money.

Hopefully it doesn't-

>>85093719
It's not hard to be critically acclaimed, make a good movie. Good reviews are a result of good film making. What's worse is you re getting upset about mass marketed blockbusters. Maybe you should be mad that movie crtics now have different standards for movies, where big budget popcorn film's get a lighter critique than indie or serious film making, rather than reviewing all film's equally.

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>>85093823
Get ready to cringe.
>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/films/2016/08/02/suicide-squad-review-crushingly-puerile-comic-book-pornography/

>>85093889
I think folks think Harley is something shes not. Just like folks think shes her injustice self and not the joker dependent mental case she is.

>>85093965
This.

>>85093837
>Made the best marksman in the DCU a black man in the movieverse
>During the political climate regarding black people and police brutality/shooting related deaths

Ooh, Boy. Never thought of that.

>>85093432
They can both do one type of film really well, and that's it.

Snyder can make homoerotic action/disaster flicks staring Christ-metaphors, and Joss Whedon can make harmless, colorful fun, and nothing else. Joss tried to make Avengers 2 a darker, more complex story, and it was all the worst for it. And the one time Zack Snyder let all his inhibitions loose, we got Sucker Punch. They need to stick to their strengths.

>>85093548
come to think of it some of pretty good movies have been bashed on this year for their "message" or whatever frivolous shit
Angry Birds and Warcraft for some examples

>>85093953
>why the fuck most you faggots insist in waging console wars?
>Why do you hate the new Ghostbusters just because they are women in this one.
I don't. I just doesn't look good.

>>85093671
Speak for yourself, /tv/ faggot, Rebirth has been pretty GOAT so far

>>85093312

Let's not forget, Disney was in the same spot as WB and Sony under Eisner, absolutely tanking things by failing to invest properly in theme parks and having the studio release a zillion "straight to dvd" sequels. It all culminated in stockholders actually giving a vote of no-confidence, ousting Eisner, and new management and blood realigning the ship.

WB and Sony need a similar management shakeup to fix their studios.

>>85093996
You want to know what's critical acclaim and has a certified fresh on RT?
>Ghostbusters
Is that Good filmmaking to you anon?

>>85093848
>>everyone happy to be working on the movie
>>great relationship between cast and crew

Obviously you've haven't read about Ayer's hair fetish and Leto's "method" acting

>>85094015
>attempt to pander to SJWs
>epic fail

It's so embarrassing, say what you will about Marvel but when they pander they do it right.

>>85093848
>>everyone happy to be working on the movie
>>great relationship between cast and crew
Leto pissed off almost everyone on the cast and Maggie Williams pressured Katana to get a tattoo she didn't really want.

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>>85094187

>>85094130
>critical acclaim

False.

>certified fresh

Means it has a lot of 6/10s. A lot of those scores are from reviews that didn't like it but gave it points for clickbait.

>>85094130
Did you stop reading after two sentences mongoloid?

>>85094187
AYY

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>>85092998
>It's climbing, isn't it?

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will Will Smith ever be in a good movie again?

>>85094187
Goddammit. This shouldn't still be funny.

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>>85094358
>>>85094187
>Goddammit. This shouldn't still be funny.

>>85094358
Good thing it isn't.

>>85093312
Disney-tier sets the tone for those kids of movies.
Every cape movie will be compared to the Disney ones. If it's too different it will not be liked.

>>85094358
>>85094391
YAY FOR MORE FORCED MEMES

So what went wrong this time?

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>I couldn't see that the jokes was on Smee

Wait... could this be...

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>>85092998

>Suicide Squad set to flop

Jesus man, this is just getting sad.

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>>85094491
>If it's too different it will not be liked.

What is Deadpool and The Dark Knight?

>>85093719
>What are the credentials of the people writing those?

None at all, which is why it's odd that people put them on a pedestal. Watching movies and forming an opinion on them isn't a real skill set; I can do that. Most of us have to study something at Uni for several years, acquiring knowledge within a specific field that genuinely surpasses that of some random Joe or Jane, for anyone to take our expertise seriously.

>>85094015
I'm sorry but this doesn't sound like a big deal. Are you telling me black people can't use guns or be associated with gun anymore because America is too afraid to address it's race problems head on?

>>85093848
R E S H O O T S
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SAVE ME BEN

Still going to see this on Friday and bet I'll love it. Watched BvS last night and it was so much fucking better.

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>>85093448
Oh, please.
One could spout the same garbage, back when Marvel CU was just getting started that Batman has set the standard that all superhero movies had to meet.
The DC films are just poor films, which superhero movies most always have been, there's no need to create excuses or blame Marvel in some poor attempt to save face.
Superhero movies have almost always been shit, these movies are no different, stop with scapegoating. A poor film is just a poor film.
God, you fanboys are the worst.

>>85093998
So, the movie is good.

>>85094166
Yeah, that's why we're getting Spider-Man: Pretty Fly For A White Guy with a spic Flash Thompson

>>85094569
>what is Deadpool
A film with zero staying power

>>85094569
not him but you know FOX is another thing, they might be using marvel characters but that it.

Though it is unfair to keep comparing to Marvel, you have to admit they did a lot right. At worst their weakest films are mediocre, and what they did do right set the bar pretty high. However it's still no excuse for WBs performance thus far. They have the material, they have the potential to do a different tone well, but ultimately they've fucked up at almost every turn. They're throwing everything at us trying to see what works and it's sinking the ship

>bad reviews because people are offended
not surprised desu

>>85094742
>they did a lot right
They did one thing right, which was Iron man and even that wasn't really a good movie.

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>>85094748
Most people are offended that the movie has more shots of Harley's ass than Killer Croc, Katana and Boomerang combined.

>>85094671
Yes, nothing more awful than making a movie set in possibly the most diverse place in the entire world have a diverse cast.

>>85094742
>their weakest films are mediocre
Well then I guess Marvel has a lot of weak films then.

>>85094748
>bad reviews because people are offended
Wrong. A few reviews have trotted out whatever sexist/racist thing they want to. But those are the vast minority.

It's just not a good film. If it was, these kinds of things wouldn't have affected it, much like they haven't affected other films all that much. See: Age of Ultron, which got some bad press about the Black Widow subplot, but still did better critically than Skwad did.

>>85094655
This is /tv/ talk but whatever that Forbes guy hit the nail on the head, these superhero "movies" are not films. They're popcorn flicks you consume and just be entertained by. I'm not making excuses for the movie as I haven't seen it, but people pretending that the MCU and anyother cape film is anything more than the fast food of cinema is a retard. I'm a fanboy for characters I love, I'll probably just like the movie because I love those characters

>>85093848
>Everything about this says it should be good.
>Advertised as both edgy and quipfest.
I knew that it would be bad but not THIS bad. I was only thinking it would be 6/10.

>>85094742
>Marvel has set the bar high
No, Marvel's fans arbitrary raise the bar when it comes to other Films but thwn lowers it for their movies.
>See CACW, THOR 2, IM3, AOU.

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>>85094187

>>85094851
It's one thing to have a diverse cast (like Liz Allen can be black for all I care. She wasn't blonde and white in Spectacular either) and those new characters can be whatever they want too, but making Flash Thompson the high school jock bully a Hispanic is kind of giving the wrong message here. Why even call him Flash Thompson then if it's not even the character anymore?

>>85094994
>lumping CW with those movie

Fuck you.

>>85094815
I'm reading the reviews now and they don't seem very good ( surprise surprise ). Someone voted it rotten because they couldn't wrap their head around the character Enchantress, apparently that is too comic booky even compared to everything else. I'm not even kidding.

Review journal literally states wheres my quips:

>the lively, frantic, quippy ones that make the movie look like “Guardians of the Galaxy” covered “Deadpool” in crazy sauce and swallowed it whole. The supervillain team-up “Suicide Squad” is not that movie.

I'm seeing lots of "this isn't the joker from the nolan series" too.

>34%

Higher than I thought it'd be desu senpai

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>>85094994
>See CACW
Sure, just keep saying bvs was better. Maybe you'll bend reality if you keep it up.

>>85094879
>My coworkers reaction: lifting bro: not like this...
>nerdy chick at work: it just keeps happening
>"THATS IT ITS OVER IM NEVER GOING BACK TO YOU DC AGA-
You know people don't actually talk like this?

>>85095074
Can you really not seperate the good complaints (wasted screen time for the squad, bad jokes, terrible editing) from the retarded (NOT MUH)?

>>85094742
Marvel is setting the bar at being safe. Nothibg more. There are no stakes in the MCU. I would had prefered IM or Cap getting seriously hurt in CW.

>>85095022
Not to split hair, but i don't think we've had any confirmartion Ravioli is actually playing Flash and not just a character with a similar relationship to Peter

>>85095022
>Hispanic
I thought he was Indian. Are you telling me they hired an Indian a Hispanic kid? Jesus christ Marvel, can you stop being a racist shithole for like 5 seconds.

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Well at least the mutants take the second place in the capes movie race of 2016.

>>85095127
>There are no stakes in the MCU
Just like their comics

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>>85095127
>I would had prefered IM or Cap getting seriously hurt in CW

>two heroes would actually cripple the other

TV soap operas might be more your style.

>>85093965
More importantly, in addition to liking the source material, they also have someone in charge who knows how filmmaking works and is competent enough to keep everything organized and running smoothly.

When's the last time Marvel had any major leak like, say, the Ghostbusters script being leaked onto the internet almost as soon as they started filming?

>>85093837
You know what, I'm disappointed in the reception this movie seems to be getting, but that is such a stupid fucking criticism.

>wow these criminals are crazy about guns and are violent
>who would've guessed?

I think the DCEU up to this point has been a mess but you can't fault SOME people for thinking there really is an anti-DC bias when some of these reviews seem to be completely fucking retarded.

>>85094851
So diverse they hired a white woman tonplay a Tibetian monk. Oops did I say Tibet I meant Nepal.

What also pisses me off is WBs mentality that if the film fails, the audience must not want to see these characters as much. Superman? Green Lantern? Fuck them. Take a good look at the squad folks, because it's the last time you'll see Croc or Boomerang on film

>>85094566
Kek. Did you get this image from here? I posted that with the same title in January before Deadpool and BvS were out, after the Apocalypse trailer, because I assumed BvS was gonna be good. How could it not?!

Man how wrong was I.

>>85095127
>There are no stakes in the MCU
End of the world more than once is kind of high.

> I would had prefered IM or Cap getting seriously hurt in CW.
You didn't see Civil War.

>>85094655
It's true, though, there's no need to lie to yourself. Marvel has successfully created a cinematic empire of interconnected films, something that nobody would've dreamed of happening 10 years ago. They set the bar for what a modern superhero film should be, and as much as you or me or anybody else on this board might not like it, it's a fact, the proof is in the numbers: the box office results and critic scores. Normies love Marvel, they're on top of the game, and they'll stay there until DC gets their shit together.

>>85095179
The sad thing is, this is probably true.

WB is literally the Capcom of the movie industry.

>>85095135
>Revolori spoke about portraying Thompson, who is generally depicted as white in the comics, saying "I know how important the character is to the comic-book fans, so I’m trying to do him justice."
Flash.

>>85095124
>Can you really not seperate the good complaints (wasted screen time for the squad, bad jokes, terrible editing) from the retarded (NOT MUH)?
I'm about 20 through and there really are fewer good complaints then retarded shit.

Actually, this one seems like a really good review (albeit negative). He says the pop music becomes too much and the 3rd act devolves into more of what we have always seen.

http://theplaylist.net/suicide-squad-morally-murky-villains-mildly-reluctant-heroes-satisfying-goals-review-20160802/

>>85095074
That enchantress one makes no sense. Because they complained aboyt the mindless zonbies so they felt no stakes because it was humans but go triggered when regular folks were put in danger during MoS.
MoS puts human life at stake
>how dare you
SS doesnt put human lives at stake
>how dare you

Quentin Tarantino directed Suicide Squad.

Is it better now?

>>85095147
He does look indian, but he's an american of guatemalan descent. His real surname is Quiñonez

>>85093624

People are always missing the point with Harley since she went mainstream, which can solely be blamed on DC. You can find articles saying how important of a hero she is and a role model all over.

>>85095022
I don't see Flash's race as a big deal, but my main point is that Queens is a extemely diverse place and I find it out that people are shocked the cast is so diverse. I'm a Queens native myself, and I was often the only white guy in class during Junior High.

>>85095178
I'm specifically talking about Spider-Man mostly taking place in a High School in Queens. Didn't say anything about Strange.

>>85095194
>End of the world more than once is kind of high.
Not when everyone is running around making jokes. I mean, in Thor 2 we are supposed to believe an evil elf is going to take over earth (or something).

But Thor is too busy catching the underground and quipping with the female self inserts to care. That destroys your stakes.

You can't say "I'm here to blow up the earth", you have to show it.

>>85095179
>wwn have a Raimi-directed Cavill-Superman smile

>>85095217
there's a Marvel vs Capcom joke here somewhere.

>>85095127
>confirmed shit poster
Your trip's history is proof your word is worse than worthless.

>>85094655

But anon, if I don't blame Marvel for DC's problems than that would mean DC would be responsible for DC's problems, and that just CANNOT BE TRUE

>>85095170
Yeah. That's some nitpicking that would put CinemaSins to shame and those guys are at least tongue in cheek about it

>>85095259
I would LOVE to see QT's take on a superhero movie.

Something like SS would suit him just fine really but he's also a fan of Superman apparently, despite what some people would tell you.

>>85095169
>liking the source material
>Ultron created by Tony Stark
>Vision too
>the ancient one played by Tilda Swinton
>let's just ripoff maximus and call him Loki
>Warriors three? More like warriors not as important as Natalie portman Kat denning's boyfriend
>Lady sif who?
>Lol we killed Sharon carter
>the not really mandarin

>>85095219
Ah, i see. Well, i can't say it bothers me. Unlike some people, apparently, i don't really care about a possible Agent Venom adaptation. As long as he acts like an asshole to Pete i'm ok with whatever

>>85094138
I could see someone as egotistical as Leto try that because he's so insecure about being compared with Leger

>>85095287
Come on, Using Thor 2 in an argument about Marvel movies is like using Catwoman in an argument about DC movies.

>>85095342
The MCU will be over way before they get to legacy characters like Falsh venom. People are just stupid in wanting it. There's no way we'll get Carnage and only a chance in hell we'll get the first venom done well.

>>85095155
>Deadpool movie pulling the rest of the current X-Men movie universe into a respectable position
Jesus fuck, could you imagine telling someone this a few years ago?

>>85095115
they do when u work at an IT call center KEK

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I'm sorry all the DC fans out there that are constantly being shit on by Warner Bro and their rushed attempts to cash in on the superhero craze. It's embarrassing that a company that big is so short sighted.

Fingers will be pointed and blame slung around until everyone's labeled at fault instead of the people who made the final calls.

You folks deserve better.

>>85095292
>there's a Marvel vs Capcom joke here somewhere.
Well it almost makes me glad that we never got DC vs. Capcom.

>>85095304
I just don't get it. I can understand liking the MCU over the DCEU. I can understand liking Marvel better than DC.

But so many people seem to just have this inherent, intense bias against DC that it's ridiculous. In their eyes, DC can do nothing right.

>That’s part of “Squad’s” problem: It’s overfull of meanies. The squad is a collection of the “the worst of the worst” of DC’s rogues - Seattle Times

LOL WHAT WERE YOU EXPECTING

>>85095022
It's not that he's a hispanic kid, it's that he's a tiny puny nothing.
Flash Thompson is, before anything else, the classic highschool jock character. And for whatever reason they went and fucked that right up.

>>85095364
>using Catwoman in an argument against DC movies
That's actually pretty common though.

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people really believe this shit?

The PG-13 rating is really what brings it down. Shouldn't have been afraid to go harder. You can go way harsher and still get a PG-13 rating. Hell, an R wouldn't have been such a death sentence, would it?

Also Will Smith what were they FUCKING THINKING.

>>85095285
His race is a bit of a deal because, come on, only a white or black guy would actually go around with the name Thompson, nevermind Flash.
Hell he's smaller than Pete

>>85095194
Just like alot of action shit, the end of the world isnt anything new. But Marvel shouldnt be given a medal for doing this.

And i meant in a way that would harshly damage their working relationship. But the way the MCU is set up no matter what fuck goes on they are gonna be friends. So why have them fight in the first place.

>>85095231
>MoS puts human life at stake
>he's the hero
>SS doesnt put human lives at stake
>they are the villains

Kind of makes you think.

I'm still excited. I dunno, I really liked everything I saw in the trailers. It just seems like there's just too much in this movie that would appeal to me, even if it's not "good". Maybe I'm just deluding myself but it just seems like there's no way I couldn't enjoy it. But I am getting real nervous.

>>85095392

I could believe it if you also included the qualifier that Fox execs had as little faith, money, and influence on the project as possible.

Deadpool and Marvel Studios just highlight what I've thought for years, and that's that smaller studios/production companies do their best work when the larger organization has as little involvement in the movie's creation as possible.

>>85095364
What other movies had end of the world stakes that the hero(s) took seriously?

- Cap 1: no
- Cap 2: no
- Avengers 1: no
- Avengers 2: no
- Ant man: no
- GotG: no

I think that's all the marvel I've seen.

>>85095405
You know what, I haven't checked out these reviews yet, but if this kind of bullshit is the rule, then maybe this movie is actually good and most of these mainstream reviewers are actually completely retarded.

>>85095170

If anything, the move was horribly lacking in any real violence. The product was completely neutered.

>>85095310
Respecting and liking the source material doesn't mean copying everything panel-to-panel

Some of those choices can be bs and pretty much "we just made it up as we went", perfect example being Tony as Ultron's maker since if (if it wasn't for the development hell) they did plan to get Hank Pym in the Avengers earlier, but are you gonna call Raimi a bad Spiderman fan because he came up with the organic web? Did Molina's Ock suck because of the different origins and general attitude? Did Fleshcer hate Superman because he (eventually) made him fly instead of jumping really high?

>>85095434
>>Also Will Smith what were they FUCKING THINKING.
They wanted a cool hip urban leading man, but they got the 90's model, instead of the new and improved 00's model (Anthony Mackie).

Although he seems to be generally praised, and not part of the movies problem unless he asked for the editing changes.

>>85095398
>their rushed attempts to cash in on the superhero craze
Nah. SS started production too soon to change course when BvS did badly. All they could do was try and market it properly and hope word of mouth wasn't too terrible.

It's now onward where the real shitshow begins. Everything up to now has just been one horrific, terribly slow trainwreck caused by Snyder.

>>85095408
While Amazing did it really really well. Right down to the scene where Pete flips out on him after Ben died and Flash is talking calmly to him.

>>85095505
You've seen it already then? Please say it ain't so.

I've said it before, if there's any property that should be dark, gritty, and violent, it's the fucking Suicide Squad.

>>85095450
So you wanted them to be needless assholes just like the horrible post Civil war comics?

>>85092998
35% on 57 reviews here, Top Critics is down to 30% on 23 reviews

also possibly more of interest: that "want to see" score is based on fewer than half the number who wanted to see BvS

while this probably doesn't translate to half the audience (which would still be $435m, a respectable gross), it's interesting because it means of the already noticeably small group who watch these kinds of movies and vote on RT scores (generously assuming none are bots) *in advance of seeing the movie*, only about 50% could be bothered to click through

this probably indicates that an even greater proportion of the general populace (who make up the vast majority of audiences for these movies) just don't care that much either, and it also means that the post-viewing score (for those who can be bothered to amend their score or vote after seeing it) will come down that much harder

we're looking at Green Lantern II here

>>85093282
it's been as low as 14%

>>85093719
>What are the credentials of the people writing those?

They're summarizing the reviews of hundreds of outlets, each of which is already hundreds of words long. If you want to read all those, go ahead. The sheer variance in opinions among them ought to explain to you why just relying on one is a dumb idea.

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>>85095472
>someone with a DC avatar argues with someone that has a Marvel avatar
Is this common on Twitter? Do company wars exist outside of /co/?

>>85095472
JB. C'mon.

>>85095542
They are already assholes, they just need to admit it.

>>85093671
everything by Gerard Way looks to be really solid

>>85095528
As much as I hated that movie as a whole, the scene you described was a genuinely good moment.

>>85095471
>then maybe this movie is actually good and most of these mainstream reviewers are actually completely retarded.
I've found myself not agreeing with RT over the past few years. My most hated films are top rated (Star Wars for example) and most loved despised (In Time for example).

I started drilling down on the reviews that influence the score and they are always almost universally some of the stupidest shit I've ever read. I haven't personally come across reviews that slam this movie because it has a black guy with a gun or a female in an abusive relationship, but apparently that is out there.

I have come across "this didn't have quips like deadpool", "this isnt' Nolans joker", "a witch isn't a believable character in the comic world" and "why are they all bad guys".

>>85095470
Can't you just have fun?

>>85095405
No seriously, what was this guy expecting?

>>85095405
I was planning on disregarding this film completely after it seemed as the reshoots turned it into Guardians of the Galaxy. These reviews stating that the bad guys are actually bad, that it's "a war movie," and that its not as quippy as the trailers imply, actually make me want to see it. I wasn't particular planning on doing so before.

>>85095562
>Do company wars exist outside of /co/?
Are you kidding? Company wars are literally fucking everywhere, dude. In fact, /co/ is comparatively good about it, outside of movies at least. Most of us are self-aware, cynical fucks who might prefer one company, but aren't stupid enough to 100% unironically praise one company while shitting on the other. Most of the company wars bullshit comes from the Redditor casuals and /tv/ shitposters who do not actually read comics.

But yeah, gotta wonder what rock you've been living under if you think that company wars shit isn't a thing outside of /co/, when if anything, it's far worse pretty much everyrwhere else.

>>85095528
I feel you anon. Seeing Flash be more than a stock bully really made me happy. Shame they didn't put that level of effort and respect towards the source material when it came to other characters.

>>85095562
>Do company wars exist outside of /co/?
What do you think console wars are about? The mentality is everywhere in human society. People retroactively try to over justify their allegiance to something. People like, or hate, something made by a group, then they attribute what they liked or hated to the group as a whole. If they have opposition, that group gets the reverse.

It's not universal, most people can't be assed even give the minimal amount of fucks needed for it to happen, but it's not uncommon.

>>85095630
I'm not saying they aren't fun. I'm just saying they don't have high stakes. I found ant man and GotG fun, I thoroughly enjoyed Cap 1.

>>85094058
Rebirth is pretty blatant nostalgia pandering, only slightly better than Marvel's outrage pandering.

>>85095472
No one cares about your twitter posts.

>>85095562
Dude, twitter has surpassed 4chan as the shithole of the internet. It's basically the strolling ground of both tumblr and 4chan's prime examples of cunts, except people who matter have connection to it.

Only youtube comments are worse, but nobody reads those.

On /co/ it's nowhere nearly as bad, and is often segregated in threads like this one. /tv/ is slightly worse about it, but everyone there is just baiting and baneposting.

>>85095679
Huh, I never knew. I don't really go to comic sites other than /co/. I guess that's a good thing.

>>85095231
Think about the stupidity of what you're saying for a moment. Think about what makes Superman and Suicide Squad fundamentally different.

Also, you can have human stakes in a film without doing what MoS did. Just a few characters the audience actually know and love can do that.

>>85095679
>In fact, /co/ is comparatively good about it

This, even the worst Marvelshill here will admit Civil War (the comic) is bad and the worst DCshill will admit Rebirth is shit.

>>85095611
I'm more of a video game nerd myself and I've learned to almost completely and totally ignore video game reviewers, because most of them are completely retarded, suck at video games, and/or don't actually know much about video games or video game design.

It always seems like review aggregators are some of the worst "sources" you can pay attention to, since the vast majority of reviewers out there are plebs. Especially nowadays when it seems like (and I don't even like to use this term really) SJWs plague the mainstream media. Just look at The Babadook. Got so much fucking praise and yet that movie was fucking terrible.

>>85095793
I mean comparing Rebirth to Civil War is a little unfair.

>>85095509
Rami's spiderman and Fleischer were adding things to the mythos. The MCU is not.

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Suicide squad is the biggest disappointment since my son

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>>85095793
>and the worst DCshill will admit Rebirth is shit.
u wot m8

You people realize these reviews are written by faggot sjws right?

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>>85095847
Don't you mean your wife's son?

>>85095852
Shit man, at least Supergirl is fun and comfy as fuck. At least the tone is pretty decent for what it's supposed to be. More than I can say about MoS or BvS.

>>85095820
lol maybe you should go outside and become part of society if you thought the Babadook was bad

>>85095740
Do stakes even matter?
Does a good movie really need high stakes?

>>85095873
Good. Why do they have the final say on everything?

How is Marvel Studios so successful?

Why can't DC also do it?

This shit is like sports to you people, and its fucking sad

>>85094874

Honestly, that's the biggest point of all this.

If a Marvel film is sub-par, people usually admit it, go "eh, oh well", and move on.

Hardcore DC fans refuse to admit mistakes are made and keep thinking everything relating to their medium is high art and everything outside it is plebian trash.

>>85095845
>Raimi was adding to the mythos
>LOL SANDMAN KILLED BEN PARKER!!!

fuck off

>>85092998
I'm just waiting for Marvel to make a Squadron Supreme movie and put the final nail in the coffin.

How does Marvel do it bros? Why can't DC?

>>85095852
WB is literally "lets not copy any of our success from the cartoons and live action series: the company"

>>85093965
Unless the characters are Women or People of Color

>>85095906
Most Scary thing about The babadook was how the poor woman is stuck raising her autistic son. Should've let the babadook take the little shit.

>>85095906
The Babadook was fucking shit, m8. Only got praise because it was a "feminist" movie or some bullshit like that.

>boring as fuck
>took forever to get going
>wasn't even scary in the least
>babby's first depression analogy

That movie was such a fucking bore, holy shit.

>>85095884
Jesus christ

How did this movie fail so badly? Only thing I was worried about was the PG-13 rating.

>>85095936
DC is too focused on playing catch up and putting in stuff for future movies than it is on making its current movies good.
That's what it really comes down to.

>>85095873
RT was always garbage. The only reason people use it is for marketing and winning fights over the internet.

>>85095954
Is even anyone from back then still at the top of WB?

I'M TIRED OF THIS SHIT

WHY CAN'T I HAVE A GOOD DC MOVIE BROS WHY

WHY

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>>85095938
Why not I guess

>one of the reviewers gave it 3/10
>gave Thor the Dark World 9/10
You cannot be fucking serious.

>RT gets shut down
> terrible reviews still exist

people just want normies to be uneducated and pay for terrible movies

I wonder if Kevin Feige's salary goes up by a percentage everytime DC releases a movie.

>>85095749
Rebirth is awesome so far. Go and read Bendis you drone. It's much better for your few remaining brain cells.

>>85096064
Post proof, I want to see it.

If anything, DC releasing so many shitfests will lead to people being fatigued on capeshit, so maybe the whole trend will finally die out.

>>85096020
Also they're completely retarded, tend to play "follow the leader," even when it's completely unnecessary and stupid to do so (see: having the Mother Boxes as MacGuffins in JL, reshooting SS so it's more like GotG, looking at Deadpool's 'R' rating and thinking that all their superhero movies from here on out need to be rated 'R' as well) and that's to say nothing of them NOT following the leader when they actually should, like their insistence that a WW movie could never work after GotG's success or not copying Marvel's slower, more cohesive slower build up through solo movies formula.

Also they still don't seem to have a lot of genuine faith in any of their characters that aren't Batman.

Also putting Zack Snyder, of all people, in charge. What an awful decision that was.

>>85096064
I don't want to believe you, not even the droniest of marveldrones would have given Thor 2 that high of a score.

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>>85095953
Marvel has Feige, comic book fan and slayer of Sony exec pussies.

>>85095906
I never understood the hate. I watched the movie on my own without any real.knowledge about it other than people apparently liked it, enjoyed myself, and then when I tried to discuss it on 4Chan it was all "HURR IT'S ONLY FAMOUS CUZ WOMAN, WHY WAS THE PURPOSEFULLY ANNOYING KID ANNOYING"

>>85095953
I rather have DC have their own way of doing things than following marvel.
They are doing a shit job at it but it's better than being a Marvel 2.0/copycat

>>85096002
>Joseph of Bethlehem, Patron saint of don't talk to me or my wife's son ever again.

>>85096171
>Also putting Zack Snyder, of all people, in charge. What an awful decision that was.
That wasn't that bad of a move, the real mistake was keeping him after the backlash of MoS.

>>85096180
Do you have that "k" message he gave her after she creamed herself?

>>85096183
It's only hated because it's about a single mom. Otherwise nobody would give a shit.

>>85096183
Nigga, I went into it with an open mind. I don't really try to emulate people on 4chan of all places, because fuck this site, honestly. I kinda hate the culture here.

But I still fucking hated that movie and felt like I wasted an hour and a half of my life watching it. It was a genuinely bad horror movie that legit only got praise for tackling feminine subjects and for being written and directed by a woman.

>>85095897
>at least it's "fun"

This has become the primary measuring stick by which capeshit is graded with characterization, writing quality, cinematography, or choreography being mentioned after this and treated as if they're of secondary importance. Making something lighthearted doesn't make it good, and making something dark doesn't make it bad. Tone should be entirely divorced from how the quality of a work is assessed, and for everything outside of capeshit that's generally the case.

>>85096180
Post the one where they plan a secret meeting between themselves behind closed doors while she's being really thirsty

>>85095909
Some movies don't, like comedies.

Some movies do, like thrillers.

I'm responding to a parent comment that said Marvel movies have high stakes, they don't. It trades out tension for comedy to appeal to a wider audience. I'm not saying this is bad, it's just what it is.

>>85096166
Not with the money they are making. Only 65% of audiences liked BvS and it still made almost a billion. Marvel movies make a billion for the big guys and even the lesser ones like GotG and Ant-Man make good money. It's not gonna burst any time soon.

>>85096075
A lot of people only think it's terrible because the internet told them it was. They are mindless fools that let the "score" from places like RT tell what to like before seeing it themselves and then that affects their overall opinion of the film.

>>85094337
Probably. He's a good actor and will have lots of future opportunities.

>>85096045

Holy shit, that is some high-grade autist-salt.

>>85093776

*they're

>>85096180
Goddamn, I still fail to see how anybody let Pascal near a keyboard.

>>85096233
>That wasn't that bad of a move, the real mistake was keeping him after the backlash of MoS.
Considering I liked MoS, despite every bad thing it did, I kinda agree. Bumping him off after that movie and putting other people in charge, and following it with a completely different strategy would've been so much better.

>>85096279
Have you read the reviews that say this movie tries desperately to be "fun" with bad jokes and action setpieces, but failed miserably? Because there are a lot of those.

This movie didn't fail because it wasn't "fun", it's because it isn't a good movie.

>>85095820
It's true that you should ignore reviewers. Hell, you should ignore journalists in general, especially media journalists.

Nobody does journalism out of a love of the craft any more. They do journalism because they're artsy fucks who got an English degree and blog on tumblr / twitter all the time, and it was the perfect job to combine both passions.

They have no respect for their audiences, half the websites out there are literally just there to sell clickbait to advertisers, and none of them could form a good opinion to save their life.

Journalism lost its soul when the internet got big. Can't sell papers on the internet, have to court advertisers. Have to title every article as clickbaity as possible, because you don't sell the entire paper any more, just individual articles. What once was the job of the headline is now the job of every single article - be loud and outrageous so people want to buy.

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>>85093042
lol'd heartily

>>85096279
I mean, sure, you're kind of right, but let's be real here. Certain characters should absolutely be fun. Like Supergirl. Sure, she's not all fun and games, but if theoretically, the Supergirl tv show were all doom and gloom, I wouldn't feel like it were a proper Supergirl adaptation either.

It kinda depends on the property.

>>85096248
>>85096282
I didn't end up saving most of them, for whatever reason, but here's the archived thread I think most of it got posted in, in one way or another.

http://desuarchive.org/co/thread/82994970

>>85095953
Marvel has one way of doing things. DC is trying for another route.

Honestly, half of the whining seems like it's coming from people who are so used to Marvel movies that they've forgotten that there are other ways to do a superhero flick. I'm not going to call any of DC's recent films good, even if I personally enjoyed them, but there's a clear audience of people who are just going "waah, not MY superhero film!".

> people defending a Squad movie with barely anybody but Deadshot and Harley because FUCK DA CRITICZ

eat bleach

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WHY

LOVING DC IS SUFFERING

>>85096329
I'm not even necessarily talking about Suicide Squad or of even Supergirl, which I can't directly speak for, because I haven't seen. I'm just tired of hearing the "fun" defense.

>>85093042
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YjGrZYRAtc

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Why don't Movie companies just pay reviewers like Video game companies do?

>>85096334
Amen to that.

>>85096274
Getting over loss and facing parenthood alone are "feminine subjects" ?
It's just like Fury Road, it's not the movie's and it's makers' fault if people try to use it for virtue signaling. You can dislike it of course, but give a better reason for that! And with this I'm not saying you actually should explain further, let's not derail the thread

>>85094337
He's never been in a good movie to begin with.

>>85096191
I like that they're trying to be different too, I'm not saying I want them to be the same just not shit.

I think what they have going for them now is their movies do have more style, Marvel movies can be kinda bland, but for some reason the DCEU people can't write good plots for shit.

>>85096329
>Have you read the reviews that say this movie tries desperately to be "fun" with bad jokes and action setpieces, but failed miserably? Because there are a lot of those.
I've read almost all negative reviews and this isn't what they are saying at all.

Most are garbage. The ones that aren't point to too much violence (personally I don't mind), too many pop songs (that can get annoying) and generic act 3 that doesn't gel with the them of the movie.

>>85096430
>Getting over loss and facing parenthood alone are "feminine subjects" ?
I was more referring to the single mother thing.

>>85096113
>>85096179
Made a mistake, not the same reviewer but the same site.
http://screencrush.com/thor-the-dark-world-review/

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I'd say Will is disappointed.

But I think nothing can disappoint him more than his son.

>>85096180
>Cap looks fucking huge
That's the nickname for his dick. She calls it Cap because he's the only non-jew exec she's met, so he's still uncircumcised.

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So Batman is the best thing about this movie too?

Looks like we are only going to get Batman movies after phase 1 is over.

>>85096373
To me Supergirl is an example of the pendulum swinging too far the other way where Supergirl ends up as basic bitch tayswift clone.

>>85096384
>people who are so used to Marvel movies that they've forgotten that there are other ways to do a superhero flick
The amount of people who argue you can't do a team movie without stand alone movies first is ridiculous. Star Wars, LoTR and the Matrix as examples all exist as big team up movies and they blow every Marvel movie out of the water.

>>85095936
The critics and media are biased sjws. Do the fucking math.

>>85096480
DELETE THIS

>>85096496
I can't even tell you what the best thing about this movie is because no reviews cite someone as a standout

I have a question
How is everything added up to make a 35 percent? shouldn't be at least a 56 percent?

>>85096419
Because they do it for free

>>85096509
>To me Supergirl is an example of the pendulum swinging too far the other way where Supergirl ends up as basic bitch tayswift clone.
She has her moments of getting serious though. Just look at the For the Man Who Has Everything episode. She got pretty pissed there iirc.

>>85096494

>Will's face

>wakemeup.jpg

>>85096494
His son, the actor-artist? Truly, the only thing that can be worse is a son that whines on imageboards all day.

Are Supergirl or Flash at least good? I need to see something good from DC.

>>85096489
>the same site.
doesn't count then.

Oh god, I'm not looking forward to the Wonder Woman.

>>85096516
>The amount of people who argue you can't do a team movie without stand alone movies first is ridiculous. Star Wars, LoTR and the Matrix as examples all exist as big team up movies and they blow every Marvel movie out of the water.
Those aren't superhero movies though. They're not quite the same thing.

How much involvement did Johns have with Suicide Squad? Was he only given his promotion/real power to change things after it was already too late?

>>85096556
IIRC, Fresh is a review that gives it more than 6.5/10. So only 36ish% have given this movie over a 6.5

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>>85096494
>>85096580
At the end of the day, Will is just happy that he doesn't have Magic Johnson's son

>>85096419
1. There are a lot of more movie reviewers than videogame ones, at least outside of consumer reviews.

2. The reviewers people care about with movies, or used to at least I haven't been keeping my finger on the pulse here, have clout of their own or are part of places that have their own influence. They aren't dependent on movie studios for access nearly as much as videogame reviewers.

3. Movies are cheaper to see than buying videogames, even at their most expensive. Not per minute of entertainment or whatever, but by each access. Popular enough groups can easily cover the cost of opening night movie tickets if the studios don't want to play ball, which they usually do, even for bad movies.

4. Not all bad videogames get paid good reviews. Just the shitty high budget ones. The primary way things work, in both industries, is not to keep throwing money on PR once you know the product is shit. True paid reviewers tend to involve more PR wining and dining than outright bribes, and that's only part of the really big media pushes.

The videogame companies have their industry by the balls, everything depends on them. Movies have been around longer and their situation is nowhere near as fucked.

So how much of a stunning racist and shitbag is Digger in the film?

>>85096480
Dear lord, Rotten Tomatos SERIOUSLY needs to improve their algorithm.

>the difference between a 55% rotten rating and 100% fresh rating is a .3 difference in average score

This is shameful. Why does ANYONE use the Freshness rating as an indicator of quality, at all? I usually laugh at people who talk shit about review aggregators, but this is just blatantly shitty aggregation.

I never even bothered to do an examination of RT to see if it was any good. I'm so used to trusting Metacritic. What the fuck.

>>85096585
Read the comics.

For eight years we've been wondering which MCU movie will be the first one one to tank

At this point we're going to start wondering which DCU movie will be the one to succeed

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>>85093848

>Ayer directing
>established B listers as the cast
>80s action movie influences
>everyone happy to be working on the movie
>great relationship between cast and crew
>PR stunts generating interest

This is bullshit. Everything about this says it should be good.

I refuse to believe there isn't bias at play here. Shills theory is retarded but there's definitely something foul going on.

>>85096585
They're shit as comic book adaptations but at least they're entertaining in that low budget TV show sort of way.

>>85096638
Already do that.

>>85096602
>Those aren't superhero movies though. They're not quite the same thing.
Because DC and Marvel trademarked the word superhero. It's the same concept but they can't use the words. Powered up do gooders overcome adversity and inspire.

>>85096585
DC's comics are still better than anything Marvel could ever hope of putting out.

>>85096614
Yes, the movie was done when he rose to power. I do think he was the one who had them make the cereal poster though since it came out not long after he was promoted

>>85096580

Hi Jaden.

>>85096373
I don't know man. The incarnation of Supergirl that I first came to care about was actually the New 52 incarnation, whose primary struggle came from the realization that everyone she ever knew or cared about had died while she slept. She was angst filled and in retrospect, given her background story, her reaction was really the only one that made sense. Peter David's Supergirl got pretty dark as well, and that's the most heavily acclaimed run. Meanwhile, Pre-Crisis Supergirl's most famous moment involves dying during Crisis On Infinite Earths.

>>85096624
Can't tell if he just wants to be really gay or a woman.

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>MoS comes out
>"I've totally read all the negative reviews and hereby declare them invalid because they totally mentioned Donner too much"

>BvS comes out
>"I've totally read all the negative reviews and hereby declare them invalid because they totally mentioned Marvel and fun too much"

>SS comes out
>"I've tottaly read all the negative reviews and hereby declare them invalid because they totally mentioned sexism and silliness too much"

And I'm saying this as someone that's still looking forward the movie

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>>85096639

>>85096634
>This is shameful. Why does ANYONE use the Freshness rating as an indicator of quality, at all?
Because it helps their argument.

RT is a terrible reviewing platform. But it makes for easy frog images.

>>85095183
Yes, i did, if that is the case I save from (You)

>>85093848
It got rewritten from the original leaked script, which featured the squad going on several missions before the finale and a much darker finish. They also dropped several Ostrander elements.

>>85096639
Justice League will kill off this DCeu hopefully so they can try again

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>tfw I've enjoyed every DCEU film that's been shit on by RT

>>85096632

He's honestly very low-key. That statement Jai made about it must have been a fabrication.

Or maybe people in Hollywood have low bars for offensiveness.

>>85096686
>Because DC and Marvel trademarked the word superhero. It's the same concept but they can't use the words. Powered up do gooders overcome adversity and inspire.
Oh fuck off. Superhero fiction isn't quite the same thing as fantasy or sci-fi, even when they do overlap. Superhero fiction has its own sets of rules and tropes.

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>The DCEU will be dead before Ben gets to make his movie.

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>>85096649
kek

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>>85096639
I mean, success is relative here. Suicid Squad will probably still make loadsamoney, it's just not very good. End of the day, all the WB/DC board of directors care about is how much it brings in.

We could be watching the birth of a Transformers-esque series here: Critically dismissed by just about everyone, but still inexplicably rolls in cash every time they put out a new movie.

>>85096634
>>85096621
>>85096556
The reviewers themselves decide if their vote is fresh or rotten, there's no algorithm

>>85096754
Me too, stupid frog poster.

>>85096756
I think they cut out a lot of what could be offensive out of this movie to try and sell it better.

>>85096639

Financially, they do well enough.

>>85096649

>PR stunts generating interest

Anon, pls. ALL that PR stuff was cringey as Hell, and you know it. If anything, it dehyped me.

>everyone happy to be working on the movie

Yes, most actors are happy to be doing their craft, unless they've grown jaded.

>Ayer directing

As Ridley Scott and others have proven, making good movies doesn't mean you can't make bad ones.

>80s action movie influences

This is neither a benefit, nor a harm. It's just a style.

>>85096761
And that means that two or more superheroes can't be on screen without having their own individual movies first?

You've been brainwashed.

>>85096743
>They also dropped several Ostrander elements.
Tsk, and here I was looking forward to the pie slinging.

>>85096696
I think you have a point, but Supergirl should still ultimately be a positive character.

I've actually thought a lot about Supergirl and the stories I'd like to write about her, and I always thought I'd touch on some of those subjects.

But even still, she's just not really a super gloomy character.

I'd rather have a Supergirl who had a bright, cutesy personality than one who were depressed and angry all the time.

>>85096824
Oh, that explains those 5.0 movies that have 44%, while BvS and SS have <50% but more than 5 out of 10

Our hopes now rest on Wonder Woman

>>85096711
What the alternative? Seeing red flags and mindlessly agreeing with the reviews anyways, before seeing the film yourself and forming your own opinion? Reviews are only something you should read and possibly take into account, before watching or playing something, in order to save some money.

>>85096822

The problem with that line of reasoning is that while BvS did make money, it didn't hit the target that WB was expecting (and had therefore created their annual budget around). I don't know if the same will happen with Suicide Squad because they've been much more quiet about profit expectations with regard to that movie.

>>85096756
>Or maybe people in Hollywood have low bars for offensiveness
These days the general public has a very low bar for that.

>>85096879
Nice strawman you set up there, m8.

>>85096899
nobody will go see it just like with Ghostbusters

rip dceu

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>>85092998
IT'S OGRE

DC IS FINISHED

>>85096892
Basically. There's a difference between a mediocre movie that's worth it and a mediocre movie that's not.

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>>85096899
>yfw it sucks, burying the dceu, and jl comes along to spit on the grave

>>85092998
Will thread #4's title be abbreviated to "Suicide Watch"?

>>85095975
Ironic, given the current situation in the comics.

>>85096899
Go and watch MoS, BvS ulti ed and then SS. They are no where near the 30% scores they have gotten.

Don't put your faith in normie SJW

>>85096899
WE'RE FUCKED

>>85096899
What fucking hope? One good movie doesnt make up for a shit universe, because its still bogged down by so much other shit it doesnt even seem worth it at this point. We cant get excited for Justice League, FUCKING JUSTICE LEAGUE, because of the stones its being built on. Im sick of reboots but damn this might be our only option now

>>85096824
Source. I found one article that said that and it was vague, used ambiguous language.

>>85096927
Strawman? It was the original comment that sparked the discussion. I just remembered what we were talking about. It was also a question anon.

burton reboot please

has it leaked yet? I sure as fuck am not paying for this garbage

>>85097022
Or your goddamn hope is not to put so much weight on fucking movies. Just stick to your guns and read the comics.

Ok so whats the fundamental problem here this time? Cast juggling? Tone? Plot holes? Miscasts? Or is it a little bit of everything that collectively bogs down the movie?

>>85095791
The reviewers were made that the zombies and enchantress werent human thus guvibg tem something to feel when they were brought down.Because human lives were at stake but they hated when a human life was at stake in MoS.
It doesnt make sense. Either you want the human connection or you dont. You cant complain about one movie doing something you dont like and then turn around on another movie addressing your concern.
Ppl got upset at BvS for the same reason. Theybwere made the fight was near people abd so when they fought away from folks that was also a problem.

I've seen it, full spoilers.

Opens with Deadshot in Belle Reve getting taunted by an asshole guard that brings him a meal, before cutting to flashbacks narrated by Waller of Deadshot killing a mafia snitch and then getting caught by Batman while out shopping with his daughter.

The guard then takes a meal to Harley, who makes some sexual remarks at him. Cut to flashbacks of Harley working at Arkham Asylum and falling in love with the Joker. When a riot breaks out, she lets him give her electroshock therapy, and then he takes her to Ace Chemicals. She professes her love and jumps into the chemicals and he fishes her out and they kiss and laugh. We then see her as a dancer at his nightclub. He notices a gangster he's making a deal with eyeing her and offers him a private lapdance, but he refuses because she's the Joker's girl, but the Joker kills him anyway.

We then see the Batmobile car chase, which ends with the Joker's car falling into the river. Batman rescues Harley while the Joker disappears, gives her CPR which turns into a weird kiss, and brings her in.

Cut to Enchantress' backstory. June Moon is an archaeologist who finds a cursed idol and becomes possessed by the Enchantress. Waller sends Rick Flagg to recruit her anticipating they'd fall in love, and they do. Waller arranges a meeting with her superiors and talks about how Superman is dead and they need disposable assets to fight for them now that meta-humans are popping up everywhere, and uses the Enchantress as a proof of concept, but her superiors remain unconvinced.

Meanwhile the Joker orders his right-hand man Johnny Frost to find Harley, and he finds out she's been taken to Belle Reve, and the Joker wants her back.

>>85097069
not everyone likes reading the same old shit

>>85095793
Don't you mean New 52? Rebirth has been pretty solid imo. Better than Civil War II

>>85096649
no, you're just shit at math and making assumptions about the viability of the disparate elements that went into the project making a workable and watchable whole end product

i mean just going with what you're suggesting here:

>Ayer directing
Harsh Times, Street Kings, and Sabotage - 60% of his directorial output prior to this movie - received mixed to negative reviews; as a writer, he started out with U-571 - a movie that blatantly revised history to pander to what he saw as a bigger audience, and for which he later apologized. He's neither saint nor sure-fire hit.

>established B listers as the cast
Will Smith is the only name in this cast anybody gives a shit about, and he's been so off-form in recent years it's probably a stretch to say he's a big-name draw these days. Margot Robbie is a coup - a rising star - but a movie like this could kill her career. Nobody else is a draw. Are any of them great character actors? Not really. Are they worthy inheritors of the Dirty Dozen? No, not even close. Those were some great performances.

>80s action movie influences

The 80s ended more than a quarter of a century ago. We didn't bring those movies with us for a reason.

>everyone happy to be working on the movie
yeah and I'm sure everybody was miserable on the Princess Diaries 2 because it didn't stand a chance of being the smash-hit breakout of the summer

>great relationship between cast and crew
Leto doesn't sound like he had a great relationship. In fact it sounds like he was banned from Will Smith's house when he threw a cast party.

>PR stunts generating interest
They could just be stunts. They could be true (see previous point). It's immaterial to the quality of the filmmaking.

>>85096639
I guarantee you tonight even as we speak someone who worked on Green Lantern is emailing everybody with the GL2: Reynolds is Hot Shit Now proposal they've been working on.