If Suicide Squad flops, everyone is getting fired, right? please

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yfw they're already halfway done filming Justice League with Snyder at the helm

>>85091052
Still have Wonder Woman and JL to go

>>85091150
Wonder Woman is going to do okay at absolute worst

But there's no way JL is crossing that billion mark. Snyder poisoned the brand and the big draw of Batman, Superman and WW in a movie was done with BvS.

>>85091233
>wonder woman is going to do okay at absolute worst
>snyder has his hands in it
>SS flopped so WB is going to mess with it like they did with BvS to SS
>the lead actress has no charisma and hasn't proven herself a good actress

All it has going for it so far is the first superheroine movie in forever and maybe people being too nervous to rate it poorly.

>Marvel movies are shit
>DC movies are shit
>X-Men movies are shit

I gave up on this stupid crap long ago when I realized hoping the movies could be as good as the comics was dumb when I can just read the comics.

Ironically the best one is still Watchmen because it at least tried to bring the classic stories and art directly to life instead of doing their own retarded "interpretation".

Comics are nothing but IP mines to these people, they have no interest in actually adapting the material. They have as much to do with the comics as Fembusters has with the original Ghostbusters.

>>85091325
>people being too nervous to rate it poorly.
That didn't exactly save the Ghostbusters though, I'd say Wonder Women's main problem if its bad will be general audience indifference .

>>85091132
Kek is that Charlie Cox in there

>>85091052
It'll make a fuckton of money, and as long as they keep doing that, nobodies job is on the line.

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>>85091132
>charlie cox laughing in the background

>>85091052

"If"

>>85091052
My cousin saw the movie and she told me it was garbage and this is coming from someone who loved BvS.

>>85091357
>le all capeshit is bad contrarian post
Yeah, nah. Fuck off, especially with that Watchmen bullshit. Snyder blatantly didn't understand the story or the characters.

>>85091511
So it was a good movie then? Thanks, I'll go watch it now.

..... Unless, this is reverse psychology marketing, in that case, go fuck off.

Man I hope squad does well $$$. Even tho BvS underperformed it still turned a profit (if I'm not mistaken a film has to double it's budget to actually be considered financially successful). So if SS can make bank then the DCEU can stay afloat, because I believe WW will also be $ successful.

But I'm really worried man, I actually enjoy the fuck out of these movies, and feel that they are just as good as the Marvel films. I will be heartbroken if the DCEU closes shop :/

I'm already bummed that Snyder has one foot out the door. I really really wanted the DCEU to be this macabre, awe-inspiring, monolithic universe to counter the MCU's syrupy sweet mainstream appeal. They are both great franchises IMO, and are better when they both exist.

>>85091233
>Snyder tone
>shit leads
>action directed by a woman
>le germans are the bad guys

It's going to be like Ghostbusters, critics will shill it, but the BO will be mediocre.

>>85091511
Oh, so she has shit taste then.

>>85091638
>Action directed by a woman

And?

>>85091701
Yes, and? If you are unable to infer what is being implied, then you shouldn't be discussing this matter.

>>85091325
Jaimie Alexander's worst career decision was to become Sif.

She could have been a perfect WW but now she's just Thor's eternal cuckquean as she watches Thor get with Jane and then Blackyrie.

>>85091876
Not him but from the trailer there were a few action scenes that I liked so I don't see any problem.

>>85091614
Triple
It has to triple profits
They never share hard numbers of what marketing cost but on big events like this it close to the same as what they put into making it

>>85091052
>implying Suicide Squad won't be another addition the DCEU's kino legacy
It doesn't matter if it flops. It'll still be another artistic DC film.

>>85092207
>It doesn't matter if it flops. It'll still be another artistic DC film.
That sound you hear is WB executives taking the nooses from round their necks as this occurs to them.

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Let's wind the clock back to 2008. These critics and audiences wouldn't dare cross any of you, so what happened? Did your balls drop off? I know why you choose to have these little group therapy threads when the reviews go up, I know you're afraid to open Rottentomatoes.com: Zack Snyder. Zack Snyder has hidden your true colors.

>>85092382

I agree. Guns are much better for it.

>>85091052
>If Suicide Squad flops, everyone is getting fired, right?
No, but mom's gonna freak

>>85091638
Ghostbusters literally just made its budget back.

That doesn't factor in marketing or the cuts the theaters get.

It hasn't even broken even.

>>85091052
There's no way it flops, it's going to end up one of the top 10 highest grossing movies of the year, domestically anyway. And this is coming from someone who thinks it looks like dogshit.

>>85091052
It won't flop, even when the critics are destroying it, Will Smith, a Batman cameo, and the Joker (the character, not Leto) are gonna push it beyond Guardians of the Galaxy. The projections are already on its favor.

http://www.newsarama.com/30129-report-suicide-squad-on-track-for-record-breaking-125-million-opening-weekend.html

Seems to be consistent issues with script and editing. If they haven't removed the producers, they should do so now.

>>85092396
Kek

>>85092612
>Will Smith
I can't believe he would still be a box office draw, he's had as many bad movies as good ones by this point.

>>85092612
Word of mouth might hurt it domestically. Like Joker having 7 minutes of screentime despite being a prominent character in advertising

>>85092687
I've always wondered how he felt about passing on the role of Neo from The Matrix in order to star in Wild Wild West

>>85091132
>Steppwnwolf will be the main villain

Kill me.

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>>85091052
>everyone is getting fired, right?
Kevin is sitting in his office waiting for Monday morning BO reports

>>85092612
BvS also had a very strong opening, presales and Batman. Word of mouth stopped it from getting to even 900m and MoS was literally more profitable for WB.

I hate to break this to you but Will Smith's coming off a string of flops too.

>>85092904
According to a Wired interview, he felt he would have screwed it up.

"You know, The Matrix is a difficult concept to pitch. In the pitch, I just didn’t see it. I watched Keanu’s performance – and very rarely do I say this – but I would have messed it up. I would have absolutely messed up The Matrix. At that point I wasn’t smart enough as an actor to let the movie be. Whereas Keanu was smart enough to just let it be. Let the movie and the director tell the story, and don’t try and perform every moment."

>>85091233
>and the big draw of Batman, Superman and WW in a movie was done with BvS.
On top of that, I'd wager that most people who didn't like BvS have no interest in seeing more of the story of Snyder's version of these characters. I couldn't stand BvS. I liked the WW trailer. I saw the JL clip, and could only be reminded of everything I didn't like about BvS. MoS poisoned the well for BvS, and both of them poisoned the well for Justice League. I love DC, and love the Justice League, but I have no intention of paying to see it, as I didn't pay to see BvS. Fuck Zack Snyder.

Someone bought tickets so I'll be seeing it.
Excited for Leto's Joker and absolutely nothing else.
Except maybe Harley's ass.

>>85093141
To be honest, that really feels like the nicest possible way to describe Keanu's "nothing" performance.

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>This is the DCEU's legacy

>>85093257
You really ought to rename that "The DCEU"

>>85091052
It won't flop, I've seen 90% of it.
Literally might be the best movie ever made.

It really is a shame. With all this garbage DC is shitting out it'll be another decade before we get good DC movies again, if ever.

>>85093216
Fuck you, faggot. Keanu is the master of deadpan.

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>>85093362
>Literally might be the best movie ever made.
(You)

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I don't want the DCEU to die. Ben is too perfect to let this shit die!

>>85091357

I get blasted everytime I say this: the movie had a better ending than the comic.

I understand why they had to change it (cutting out all the bioengineering/ artist/ physic parts for time), but I still think the whole SQID and blaming Dr Manhattan made more sense than space squid. Especially for a book that was trying so hard to be rooting in "reality" where Dr M is the only exception.

I don't even care for Snyder, but I enjoyed that. Of course, /co/ loses their fucking minds whenever I suggest something that might make Moore's works even slightly better.

>>85092490
Yeah, just like BvsS was guaranteed money, right?

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>>85094118
Considering the $250mil and Christ knows how many hundreds of millions they spent on marketing, I wonder just how much money WB walked away with.

>>85093209
>Except maybe Harley's ass.
You mean lack of ass?

>>85093478
JL is going to be DCEU's Batman & Robin

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>>85091638
>Le germans are bad guys

Stop whining /pol/ you let ironic memes brainwash you into thinking nazis weren't a bunch of facist losers. You forget hitler punching has been comic tradition from the start.

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>>85091614
>(if I'm not mistaken a film has to double it's budget to actually be considered financially successful)


When the suits get together to figure out the budget, they project how much a film will make and then using that projected figure, they'll set up films down the road.


So, even if you have a movie like ASM2 which technically made a fuckton of money, it didn't make a metric fuckton which is what Sony budgeted. So it was a failure.

That's how it works.

>>85091052
WB investors might call for a vote of no confidence ala Eisner and Disney

>>85094043
I really liked Rorsach and Comedian, and some of Dr. manhattan was good

>>85094043
Because you're an idiot who didn't understand the nuances of Alan Moore's work. Let me guess, you thought that black kid reading the comic book was in there just for kicks and giggles?

>>85092396
This town deserves a better class of reviewer... And i'm gonna give it to ya.

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>>85091876
Point Break was directed by a woman too, and its pretty much considered a classic. Ripped off by other movies like the Fast and Furious and subject to aweful remake. So what does it being directed by a woman have to do with anything?

>>85093802
Even if it did " die" Batfleck ain't going anywhere. But yeah I am kinda disappointed that SD didn't review well yet still interested in seeing it.

>>85091638
le germans are bad guys. they have man in their name.

>>85094963
>nazis in WWI

This is your brain on Tumblr.

>>85093257
>not Martha
I still hear normies mock that moment

The sad thing is that SS is headed for a massive opening so it most definitely won't flop.

The negative reception is gonna hurt it though.

I think it could've made A LOT of cash. Even I was getting slightly excited.

>>85091052

I don't think Squad will flop. It's at the tale end of Summer and even with bad reviews there's nothing coming out any time soon to challenge it. It won't do anywhere near what WB wanted though 500-600mil seems likely

>>85092968
Maybe they'll pull a BvS and have Darkseid for the final act of the film.

>>85091876
>>85091701
>>85091638

Gotta be honest the few shots of the amazons fighting soldiers on the beach looked better than what we saw in the squad trailers

Snyder is already pretty much out the door. They just need to finish WW and JL, then they can start making films with no input from him whatsoever.

>>85101025

Pete's Dragon is out a week later. Its getting rave reviews. And hey, who knows. Maybe Sausage Party will be a hit. Weirder things have happened.

>>85093088

If Suicide Squad did 900mil it would be a huge success. Most Marvel movies fall between 500 - 800mil

>>85091876
kys summerfag

Did Johns have anything to do with Suicide Squad or was he only brought in after the damage was done?

>>85101195
Johns was brought in to create the damage.

>>85101106

I completely forgot about both those movies. Pete's Dragon strikes me as one of those movies that critics loved, is genuinely well made, but nobody sees it. Sausage Party and capeshit have the same audience though so it could fuck SS up

>>85101195

We will never know. The reshoots didn't add the humor, it was already there. It may have been his idea to cut a lot of Jokers scenes and even then I can't blame him for that if he did because people are already crying about sexism, it would be a lot worse if Mistah J slapped Harley around and pissed on her. I don't think Johns would have allowed those scenes to be shot in the first place if he had control from the start

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>tfw the DCEU is a continuous stream of false starts and second tries

>>85091325
It has a trailer that resembles the source material with no questionable left-field casting choices like Older-Michael-Cera as Lex to make people second-guess the possibility that it might be the first DC movie to capture the spirit of what the fans want.

>>85101224
>Pete's Dragon strikes me as one of those movies that critics loved, is genuinely well made, but nobody sees it.

Looks boring, honestly. Not that the original was a mile-a-minute thrill ride either, mind you...

>>85091052

Suicide Squad is only looking bad in the eyes of hack reviewers. It's expected to gross almost as much as BvS did opening night and its still the most talked about movie on social media.

While we all want off Snyder's wild ride it's about time you doomsayer faggots stopped listening to Reviewers like their words were fucking scripture. No one reads movie reviews any more. at least 80% of people looking to see a movie will either decide for themselves or ask someone they know who has seen it what they thought of it.

>>85101346
Batfleck will save us, anon!

Seriously though as an unabashed Batfag , I am exited for his solo films. I think it will be better than the Nolan trilogy.

>>85101363

This is why I think Wonder Woman has a chance. It's staying true to who and what Wonder Woman is. I'm not holding my breath but we'll see I guess

>>85101405
>at least 80% of people looking to see a movie will either decide for themselves or ask someone they know who has seen it what they thought of it.

Like BvS. Hence the massive second week dropoff.

Although I recall that the Friday it came out, a few radio DJs were saying "Doesn't look very good, reviews are terrible". So at least some people listen to them.

>>85101405
>its still the most talked about movie on social media.

For all the wrong reasons, anon. It will be lucky to do 500mil. This has been the worst summer for blockbusters that I can remember

>>85094963
>>85095054


Is this the kind of education americans get?

>>85101493

Yeah that was one of the biggest problems with that movies reception. While the average person doesn't read movie reviews, either because its on some clickbait bullshit facebook page or they are concerned it'll have spoilers, when a movie that's supposed to be as big as Batman v Superman was receives nothing but negative reviews it gets mentioned literally everywhere.

>>85101560
>For all the wrong reasons

Yeah console war bullshit.

>>85101493
>Hence the massive second week dropoff.

It was pretty standard

>>85101695

No it really wasn't.

>>85101606

No anon. This isn't Marvels fault. I can tell ou exactly where this went wrong. WB (I won't blame DC they are as much victims as we are) realized they needed to compete with GotG so they used suicide Squad but do their own gritty spin on it. BvS comes out and it gets fucking slammed. Too dark, too gritty. So WB shits it's self in fear and tries to make SS something it isn't. BvS and SS should have had a complete tonal reversal.

>>85101695

69% isn't standard. 50 is standard

How much does Suicide Squad have to make world wide to be considered worth it/not a disappointment by WB?

>>85101596
as opposed to the shit euro-fags get?
because it's pretty much accepted that Hitler was a shit head.

https://twitter.com/DanielRPK/status/759050073011523584

It's WB that should get the sack.

>>85101695
>Breaks multiple records
>standard
Okay Sndyerfag

>>85101795
This has to be bait.

>>85101763
+800 millions isnt a flop, it doesnt matter how hard you try to push that, also it was only 63%

>>85101772

Budget's 175 mil. Factor in another 10 mil for advertising, minimum.

So...at least more than that.

>>85101824

This. You could take years painstakingly painting the most beautiful masterpiece but all it takes is a retard 10 seconds with crayon to ruin it

>>85101860

I didn't say it was a flop

>>85101772

About 500. Would have been easily do able before this critic shitshow

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>>85101968

Unfortunately they will not learn. WW will be shit, JL will be horrible. Dreams crushed here, I fucking wanted good DC movies.

>>85102054
>Would have been easily do able before this critic shitshow

No one cares about critics in 2016. They are internet critics, most of them didnt study films, they are journalists

>>85092968
to be fair Batman has 90% of DC's good villains

>>85101824
Who's this guy and how does he know this?

>>85102087

motherfucker already doing "studio ruined it" damage control???

>>85102197

Thats a shoop of what Josh Trank said the night before Fantastic Four 2015 premiered.

>>85101195
>Suicide Squad recently underwent major additional photography (multiple sources say it was not to add humor) to clear up the issues. Sources say it was Suicide Squad that escalated Johns’ involvement in DC movies (he was already co-writing the next Batman stand-alone with Affleck), and he is involved in the film’s postproduction.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/batman-v-superman-fallout-warner-895174

>>85102197
Please say you're joking.

>>85091638
>Snyder tone
Maybe not

>shit leads
Okay yeah, but Pine is alright sometimes

>action directed by a woman
Fuck off, this has been done fine before. Woman aren't inherently worse at action than men are. See >>85096931

>le germans are the bad guys
So like real life then? Fucking eurofag.

I'm hyped even though I'm an MCUfag.

>>85097673
German Empire was still a cunt state

>>85091357
>Ironically the best one is still Watchmen because it at least tried to bring the classic stories and art directly to life instead of doing their own retarded "interpretation".

Apeing existing dialogue and panels does not make for a good character-driven story.

I have no doubt that Snyder read Watchmen, liked the gratuitous sex and violence, and decided to adapt it without understanding the significance of the symbolism.

It's the same shit he did MoS and BvS, put in shitloads of extreme symbolism without understanding what he's trying to convey.

>>85102248

makes sense. also thought it looked familiar

>>85102269

i dun got fooled. if i hadn't seen some reviews mention the movie seems really badly note'd and put together i wouldn't have bought it

>>85102166

He's apparently some guy who gives accurate early reviews.

>>85102142

No

>>85102142
/tv/ please go

>>85102262
>and he is involved in the film’s postproduction.

That fucking idiot. I really hope snyder can keep the retard at bay in the Justice League movie.

>>85102511
Is this bait? Tastes like bait.

>>85102511
Um

My only worry in all this is what will happen to DC Comics. I don't give a shit about the movies as such.

However, I recall that when the New 52 was coming out, there were some rumors that DC was essentially forced into doing it, and Flashpoint, by Warner, and that if they didn't the whole operation was going to be shut down and turned into an IP archive.

If all the DC movies flop I'm worried what will happen to DC itself.

>>85091132
Nice meme

>>85102655
>However, I recall that when the New 52 was coming out, there were some rumors that DC was essentially forced into doing it, and Flashpoint, by Warner, and that if they didn't the whole operation was going to be shut down and turned into an IP archive.

No way. Not even WB could be this stupid. Thats Sony level stupid.

>>85102283
>snyder didn't "get" my funny picture book

haha alan pls

>>85102559

Johns track with the league is terrible., he is not only casual friendly, but pretty much every time he has done something in live action it has been shit: Green Lantern, Cyborg, Flash rebirth (AGAIN) in the movie.

Johns is a egocentric cunt that already put himself as writer in both batman and wonder woman. A cunt move from someone that never touiched a wonder woman comic before 2014

>>85102717
I also remember those rumors.

>>85091357
I'm inclined to agree with you on this one. The source material is generally superior to the movies. I think Civil War killed any hype i had for more of these films because it got such good reviews.
Basically saying that the best Cape Film is , at best, an average movie.
The best they could do is a movie where the entire middle of it is boring garbage with a goofy nonsensical airport fight sequence

BvS and Xmen were worse but at least the reviews reflected that. Civil War got good reviews for being dull.

I'll probably stick with reading actual comics and skip the movies from now on.

>>85102717
Anon, WB took BATMAN and SUPERMAN in the SAME MOVIE and managed to fuck it up.

>>85102655
>My only worry in all this is what will happen to DC Comics.

Nothing will happen on that end. Rebirth is actually doing well. DC's sales were in the toilet before New 52.

>>85102655
Well Rebirth and it's mission statement is almost the literal exact opposite of teh DCEU so I doubt it's going to effect it at all except more fucking snide comments from normies about how DC characters suck or the fat fuck that works at the LCS telling me I should stop reading DC

>>85103416
>or the fat fuck that works at the LCS telling me I should stop reading DC

That's just terrible for business

>>85091325

>and maybe people being too nervous to rate it poorly.

What is Ghostbusters

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>>85091132

>>85102873
I'll probably still end up watching all the films, but I agree the comics are much more interesting

>>85091132

Hey now, we get a solo Batflick from Batfleck. It'll be worth it for that.

>>85102724
>Literally filled to the brim with nilhistic philosophy
>The main character is a deconstruction of Objectivism
Fuck off /tv/fag

>>85103988
Not a case of what you greentexted.

>>85103988
>https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/ghostbusters_2016/

73% certifiably fresh is what it is

>That moment where you realize you will never watch a great Superman movie.

>>85105714
There's this real good one, bit more heavy than what you might expect but I think it's quite faithful to the character.
It's called Man of Steel.

>>85105818
But he doesnt save cats!

>>85095197
It's for Sony. BvS was beyond successful, and now can break 1.1 bil with Ultimate cut top sales. DC clearly wins, you can screensave this.

>>85106241
But he saved at least billion cats by destroying world engine.

>>85105714
What's sad is that there are pieces that could come together to form a great Superman movie, but they're scattered across multiple films.

The Donner films have the Superman/Clark Kent, and the Kents themselves. Superman Returns has the Luthor and the Lois. Man of Steel has the sci-fi stuff and the action. Take all those and put them in a single movie and we're in business.

>>85105818
>I think it's quite faithful to the character.
Then you don't understand the character at all.

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>>85091052
if no one goes watch suicide squad,
wb gonna be on suicide watch.

>>85101405
BvS literally was a huge piece of shit though so that kinda pokes a hole in your theory that reviewers don't mean anything.

>>85107123
What must it look like at WB right now?

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>>85091052
Its not going to flop, it's going to obliterate the box-office and probably get several sequels/prequels/add-ons. Welcome to the era of trashy, skanky, shitty heroes (guaranteed 100% edgy!)

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>>85101066
you sure?

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>>85109834
I suppose the danger now is, will it set in audience fatigue for other comic book movies? Or are the average moviegoers able to at least distinguish between DC/WB and Marvel?

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>>85091132

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>>85109917
The average moviegoer is mentally handicapped. Marvel could put 2 hours of a literal shit pile wearing a superman cape in theaters and those idiots would still see it.
>pic related; the future we are doomed to

>>85109917

Average movie goers are morons.

I expect DC's under performance in reviews to impact Marvel in some way because I'm already tired of explaining to coworkers why Superman wasn't in the Avengers.

>>85109834
>DC niggers actually believe this

It will be front loaded just like BvS was.

>>85110156

It still won't flop. Everyone's expecting it to have a similar opening weekend to Batman v Superman.

See even with the negative reviews and slightly darker tone DC can still sell more tickets with The Joker and Batman than Marvel can.

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>>85091132
I love Snyder. His films are amazing. I hope JL does well (don't care about critics). I think he has found the balance between making high quality movies and pleasing crowds.

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>>85110209
>His films are amazing.

>>85104996
Was Batfleck really that good or was it just that he was the sole passable thing in BvS? I honestly think its the latter.

>>85110238
He was fucking great not good. Never liked Baleman and Keaton was the last decent one

>>85110238

He really was amazing. The opening sequence of him during the battle in Metropolis was what you'd expect from Batman. Unfortunately that kind of fell apart with how he handled the criminals he fought but he was still a really good interpretation of the character.

>>85110233
>implying you wouldn't make a ship like that if you were born to be an engineer

Gotta have fun somehow.

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>>85106241
>3 years later and Snyderfags are still claiming anyone that didn't like mos is a donnerfag

>>85091357
The Marvel movies are in some ways better than the comics, anon.

> MCU Tony not ruined or memed
> MCU Wanda not ruined
> Much less pandering
> MCU Falcon better
> Actual thought put into the characters

>>85106241
>>85106330
He also saves cats off-screen, as mentioned by Bruce Wayne at Lex's gala.

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>>85110209
>I hope JL does well

>>85110288

>Study for years to become a kryptonian engineer
>Mostly paper work
>all your original designs get no attention
>Finally your big break, Zod has been captured and they want some designs for the holding cells
>Spend hours putting together the safest most practical design you have ever produced
>Your design gets turned down because the council nearly wet themselves when Cha'd told them to shoot them up in giant dicks

>>85092396
And as for the /tv/...Marvel has no jurisdiction...they'll shill him...fill him with shitposters and Bane memes...and he'll squeal.

>>85110348
>implying it wasn't designed by Jok-Er
>Birthing Matrix's gonna freak!

>>85110343

These are all really well made and whenever I see one I don't know whether to be impressed or concerned.

>>85110209
He is a great cinematographer. He shits on the Russos in that department...but in terms of character and story they completely shit on him.

>>85101958
>Factor in another 10 mil for advertising, minimum.
That's nowhere near what the advertising budget of a modern blockbuster feature is.

>>85105705
Yet it's still going to bomb as it hasn't even got close to breaking even at the box office

>>85091052
wasn't Suicide Squad under Snyder's architect or Geoffs?

>>85111621
Snyder's but it seems Geoff was brought in during post to try and fix it. Which ironically seems to have made the story pretty messed up, but at least the characters are likeable/fun now. The real test for Johns will be Wonder Woman since he's credited as the writer I think.

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>>85110417
You're wrong, Larry Fong is Snyder's Cinematographer. He is the Danny Elfman to Snyder's Tim Burton. You can hire Larry and give Snyder the fucking boot.

>>85111710
The movie was good and then Johns casualised it and turned into generic crap.

>>85091052
Honestly, I do like Ben Affleck as Batman, so if anything I hope that doesnt change.

He's got the look, he does a good Bruce Wayne and a good Batman. My only gripe was that he's been Batman for 20 years. Should have made it like 10.

Who gives a shit. It's the capefags and capefaggotry in general who is going to suffer.

>>85097019
>Even if it did " die" Batfleck ain't going anywhere.
Yeah, Batman is one of those brands that are confirmed unkillable. If it survived Batman & Robin it can survive anything. The issue is that DC want spinoffs and it hasn't worked out. Well, now the next hope is Wonderwoman.

>marvelfags trying this hard

>>85111929
>The issue is that DC want spinoffs
WB* Don't pin this shit on the comics.

>>85094043
This. A giant vagina squid would've made the normie audience laugh their ass off.

>>85092396
DELET THIS
THEY DONT LIKE DC MOVIES CAUSE THEY ARE SERIOUS, DARK, MATURE
DELETE
REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>85091132
>tfw you'll never see Chris Evans and Charlie Cox laughing it up together

>Ayer is going to get crucified because WB meddled with his movie after BvS flopped
>Zack the hack get's 3 (three) chances at making DC movies with unlimited budget, each one adding more and more important characters and stories to the greater movie universe

Life ain't fair bros.

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>>85112066
>mfw season 3 of Daredevil is an adaptation of Born Again with Chris making an appearence in the last few episodes as Cap

>>85101958
>Factor in another 10 mil for advertising, minimum.
I can guarantee, you're way off the mark. If you multiplied that number by ten, then you'd be closer to the actual figure. And you'd still most likely be many tens of millions of USD short.

>>85112120
Zack is great and he will try to protect Ayer. If anything Zack is the ONLY chance DC has to have good movies, he is the one that opened the gate and supported the idea of EVERY MOVIE being their own deal, he is the one guy defending Director's visions.

I want my Horror aquaman movie, not a fucking adaptation of Johns's aquaman. People Happy for Johns involvement forget that he is and has always been a bitch of the executives and that he only wants to put his own (casual friendly) interpretations of the characters. He won't defend any creators vision.

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>>85110257
>>85110287
>how Batman's scenes were written and choreographed are the same thing as Batfleck acting the part well
He barely acted or even spoke at all. Most of his scenes involved him just looking at something, and half of the screentime of those scenes was the camera showing us what he was looking at.

What sealed it for me was the fact that he used a voice modulator. How can you seriously say he was amazing if he wasn't willing to even try putting his own spin on the voice?

>>85110401
Impressed at whoever made them, and concerned that it's probably better than Skwad will be.

>>85112251
>Zack is the ONLY chance DC has to have good movies
Because he's done such a great job himself so far.

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>>85110417
>He is a great cinematographer
>actually thinking this
You do know that anyone can just read the credits to see that the cinematography was done by someone else, right?

This is the same level of stupid as the people who think that Steve Jobs personally designed Apple products.

>>85092480
Which clears it from flop status. It was just a bunch of angry Heman women haters blasting out their ass

>>85112329
>Which clears it from flop status

Are you retarded? It's pure loss for Sony.

So have any of the cape films been interesting recently?

The last I saw was either MoS or Avengers, which was most recent.

Don't even dislike them in general, there are just so many and they're all so samey. Burned out on them at this point.

>>85112404
>been interesting recently?
bvs

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>>85112432
It's not nice to tell people to throw money away.

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>>85112508
>my lame attempt to be funny

>>85112508
>paying

BvS is the most interesting capefilm since MoS. But Paying? Who pays for movies?

>>85112550
Sum up the big title fight of Batman V Superman.

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>>85112584
Wut?

How come they didn't just make a Cinematic Universe with the already established Nolan trilogy. What the fuck was the purpose of setting JGL up as Nightwing discovering the Batcave at the end for?

>>85112602
You heard me, sum up what the big title fight was about and how it ended.

>>85112642
With bees and frogs?

>>85091638
>female lead
>woman director
93+ percent on Rotten Tomatoes and thousand of reviews how great it is even if it will be mediocre/painfully bad.

>>85112664
So you can't do a better job than >>85112508
Or you're too scared to? Rather odd to be scared on the internet but I'm still waiting.

>>85112584
um...pretty sure bats hit supes with a sink at one point.

>>85091052
>DC Comics are improving, but DC Films division are crap
>Marvel Studios movies are great, but their Comic division is a total mess

>>85112371
>flop
surpassed it's opening week projections by 6 million, good reviews, and made back it's budget plus some.

it was nowhere near a flop no matter how much you wanted it to be.

>>85112260
Isn't he doing exactly that in JL?

>>85112737
Pottery

I bet at DC they are literally screaming "WHAT IS GOING WRONG?

>>85112827
WB more than DC

>>85112260
He only used a voice modulator when he was in the mech suit though?

>>85112640
Nolanverse with actual supernatural shit would fall apart instantly

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>>85112862
Yeah, DC understands why they will be perpetual #2's.
Because Batman>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>every other character they put in comics. And there's only so far you can spread Batman (it's really far though).

WB thought they could save shitty movies by adding Batman to them, and they thought wrong.

>>85112765
It's not out yet. It'll be the true test.>>85112878
>He only used a voice modulator when he was in the mech suit though?
Uh, no?

>>85112740
>and made back it's budget plus some.
It hasnt made its budget back you dumbass

>>85112251
>Horror Aquaman movie
Sounds awful. They should just adapt Geoff Johns' 2011 run from when New 52 launched. It's one of the best Aquaman runs ever.

Always preferred normal Aquaman over Conan Under the Sea 90s Aquaman.

Wonder if they'll chop of Jason Mamoa's hand too....

>>85112260
I'll take a voice modulator over Bale's fucking absurd "WHUUURRR ISS THUR JURKURRRRRRR!!! WHUURRRR ISH HEEEEE!!! THIS MASK IS PINCHING THE FUCK OUT OF MY NOSHHHH ARRRRRHHHHH! WHURRS THE BOMB??!" any day of the week.

>>85113210
Conroy managed it, and he's not even a real actor.

>>85113249
He's a voice actor. That's his damn specialty. And his Bruce Wayne and Batman voices werent that different. Bruce's was just a little more upbeat.

>>85112827
>>85112862
Both don't seem to know shit. Snyder and Johns were both surprised by the negative reaction to Batman v Superman, despite it building since the first gloomy teaser. I don't trust anyone from either company to recognize a good film, even if it bit them in the ass.

>>85113090
>movie budget 144 mil
>worldwide movie sells of ghostbusters as of augest 1st approx 158.27 mil
>b-b-buh I hated it with all my heart. ;.;. nobody wants wimmin ghostbusters ;.;

not a flop, get over it.

They should just cancel everything they have planned and soft reboot it with a Batfleck film with Joker (minus tats, but keeping caps and Leto). From there, create something that is actually good.

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>If you know someone you really can't stand - not someone you dislike, not someone who rubs you the wrong way, but someone you really loathe and detest - send that person a ticket for "Suicide Squad."

33% on Rotten Tomatoes so far

>>85113383
And marketing makes it about 300mil to break even and Feig himself says it has to break 500mil to have legs for a sequel. Shits dead.

>>85113520
They also have to fix all the negative feelings toward their cinematic universe to some degree, not sure there is a way to quantify that with numbers.

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>>85112642
Again, wut?

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>>85113555
>>85112703

>>85113520
Literally no one expected it to make that and you're holding it to such a standard because you're mad it didn't flop. must be sad being such a desperate baby.

>>85113552
Nope. Feig decided to go with the spectacle and burn down all the bridges. Sony is just now seeing how this was a bad idea.

I say his actions have hurt his career more than he realizes right now.

Nobody is going to want him on franchise, ever.

>>85110417

But he doesn't do the cinematography.

>>85112251

>I want my Horror aquaman movie, not a fucking adaptation of Johns's aquaman.

The problem is that you have Jason Momoa, either way. The man isn't much of an actor.

>>85091052

Who is Snyder?

>>85114344
scary person responsible for made up personal slights

>>85112688
And a box office bomb because no one will want to see an anorexic in a skimpy outfit, especially after the critical paddling that BvS and SS got.

>>85113608
>Literally no one expected it to make that
The fact that you think Feig would lie in an interview is perplexing. He was asked a question that was usually never answered, and he was stupid enough to answer it because of his ignorance. He gave out the expected box office that his sponsors wanted. That was the only reason he was given 144million dollars to make this film.

>>85091052
That's like the ride getting condemned or torn down, though.

And you can get off any time you want. It's not like you are being held against your will in some hell like amusement park right.

You just keep coming back for more Bat Mang shit and resenting that one of the major choices is shit.

>>85111731
>>85112326
>>85113797
I think anon was trying to suggest that Snyder would be better suited were he a cinematographer and not a director. After all, even haters say that Snyder has a great eye for throwing striking images up on the big screen. Unfortunately, when it comes to getting even mediocre performances out of the same actors that are incredible when directed by nearly anyone else, he is lacking to say the least, and that isn't even touching on the alterations he and others have confirmed that he fought for and chose in his DCEU movies.

>>85112508
Why lie?

>>85091052

Why hasn't Snyder's Batman killed the joker yet? he has no problem blasting through goons transporting a piece of rock, but he let this guy live even after he's killed Robin?

>>85114709

>Still buttmad about Gal's casting cause she doesnt look like that pornstar you whack off too

Serious manchildren on /co/ these days

>>85091638
>>Snyder tone
But that is a good thing... IT'S WORLD WAR FUCKING ONE!!!

>>85114897
But not a single proformance in MOS or BVS was worse then decent & many were great you lying fuck.

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>>85115480
Get off of his knob already. Cavill is more a Superman while being himself, let alone directed by anyone else than Snyder has chosen to portray him over two movies.

>>85115569
Not being cheerful & exaggerated doesn't make his performance bad you fucking bitch.

>>85113383
>>movie budget 144 mil
That's the production budget. The costs of getting a movie out are higher than just the cost of producing the movie. Stuff like marketing budget and distribution expenses have to be accounted for if you're trying to determine whether a movie has been a commercial success. Consider that it's common for a blockbuster movie's marketing budget to average somewhere in the vicinity of $150 million, it shouldn't be difficult to see why a box office gross of $160 million is not enough for a $144 million production to break even. Of course, a movie can make bank on other things than just the box office. Product placement and merchandise can net some good profit. But that should be in addition to the profits from the movie itself.

Basically, Ghostbusters underperformed by hundreds of millions of dollars.

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>>85115823
You're right. It doesn't. Sitting there sullen the whole fucking time looking confused and sad however does.

>>85115823

Superman is a cheerful character at the core though. Read a comic once in awhile you nerd.

>>85116017
On top of this, being described as having given a wooden cardboard performance does as well.

Can someone explain to me why /tv/ are spreading "suicide squad is doing bad blah blah blah RT" onto /co/? its not even commercially available to watch in theaters yet for the average joe, but yet its "bad" because someone else says it is? never understood this line of thinking

>>85116017
>Superman should laugh like the Joker during an explosion where dozens of people died or got hurt

>>85116233

Some people need a hipster in LA with an under-cut to tell them whether to spend their greasy $20 on a movie or save it up for tendies instead.

>>85116274
No need to project Snyder. He sure as shit shouldn't stand there while he could instead be doing literally anything else to help.

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>Snyder only executive produced Suicide Squad but it retains his trademarks of casual sexism, operatic violence, music-video montages and general teenage-boy fantasy.

Remember Guys don't see SS it's sexist, too violent and for manchildren.

>>85116556

>A movie called "suicide squad" has "operatic violence"

Here I was expecting ponies, kittens and flowers! Good job DC!

>>85091052
>>>/tv/

>>85116556
>>85116912
Oy vey these goyim...

>>85115456
You sure you used enough exclamation marks there, champ?

>>85117099
>interview confirms expected return on investment that would warrant a sequel
>box office numbers fall far, far shorter
>"Wow! That's still higher than I can count!"
I can't wait until you go to sleep one night and forget how to breathe.

>>85113393
No fuck that.

The concept itself is awful. Why would you want a new universe where Batman is already old and most of his adventures, including going through 2 Robins, one of whom was murdered, already happened?

>>85120006
Because he still is fucking Batman, who gives a fuck about the robins, the Nolan movies worked perfectly without a Robin.

>>85120006
In theory, because then we get to see The World's Greatest Detective rather than just fight scenes and delivering McGuffins.

But since that won't happen, you're right. It is pointless.

>>85091052
SS is not part of Snyder ride.

It was severely edited and reshot because the suits panicked.

Frankly, Im glad SS tanks so they wont flirt with action comedies anymore. They tried to backstab Snyder with this shit by unsnydering the movie and it failed. Now they have no other choice but to actually follow Snyder. Which is fine. He makes interesting movies.

>>85120779
>SS is not part of Snyder ride.
He EP'd, m8.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1386697/fullcredits?ref_=tt_ov_st_sm
His taint is inescapable.

>>85120888
Nice trips. But the suits reshot the movie.

There are 3 versions of the movie.

1. Snyder/Ayer serious version
2. Comedic version based on the trailers of the movie
3. The final one which is the comedic version with a bit of number 1, Joker and Batman practically cut form the movie, and several reshots.

They tried to backstab capekino and this is the result.

>>85116017
No it does not if he was intentionally playing like a Earth One youthful unsure conflicted Superman.

>>85116052
>Superman is a cheerful character at the core though.
Yes but not all versions of him are such, his ideals can been happy & hopeful but he doesn't have to act like a childish silly dumbass.

>>85116492
Its literally seconds after the explosion, there is nothing else he could be doing.

>>85116556
>Snyder
>Sexist
If he was sexist then why did he give us Clark & Ben having gratuitous topless bathing/shower scenes/butt shots to balance with Gal's cleavage?
If he was sexist then why did he give us the most restrained, least ditzy, least hysterical, least bitchy version of Lois Lane we have ever gotten in live action?
If he was sexist then why did he give Lois her own sub plots in both films?
If he was sexist then why did he never put any sexuality into Amy Adam's Lois besides the 1 bath scene?
If he was sexist why did he give us a great female lead in Dawn of the Dead?

Yes Sucker Punch is problematic, but there is nothing wrong with...
>(A.) Fantasy/action/adventures with sexualized female characters...
>(B.) Showing women enduring horrible trials and traumatic events they have to struggle & strive through up too and including rape.

The problem is the 2 don't work together. That is a out of touch miscalculation, not sexism or blatant malice towards women.
His use of rape in some of the films would be sexist if it was suppose to be sexy or some bullshit or there was some underlying message that they deserved it, that is not the fucking case, the rape in 300 is cruel & evil as fuck as such a act should be portrayed. And Gorgo gets her revenge.

>>85111613
Further proof that critics are retarded

>>85121357
But anon! snyder is bad cuz he doesnt happy movies!

NO
NOT AGAIN

NOT AGAINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

>>85120779
Man of Steel is pure Snyder and its pure dogshit.

Also, they have the choice to fire him. And no matter what, after JL comes out, he's getting the boot. I don't know where the fuck this myth that the Snyders are funding all the DC movies is coming from, thats horseshit.

>>85121023
>They tried to backstab capekino and this is the result.

My hope is that this actually IS a crowd pleaser and critics get annihilated once and for all. What will the reaction be if it breaks a billion? (I know this won't happen but it's interesting to think about.)

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>playing like a Earth One youthful unsure conflicted Superman.
See, this is admissible within the context of MoS where it covers his first 24 hours as a public hero. In BvS? When even Snyder said he had been saving the day for years at that point? It damage control, and bullshit. If after years you are still trying to defend choices with his being youthful and unsure, just stop already and call a spade a spade, or this case, a shitty depiction of a character a shitty depiction of a character. I don't know a single person who considers themself youthful, inexperienced, or unsure of themself after having done something for years.
>>85121316
You mean other than putting the fire out right?
Also, isn't he shown in the extended edition flying people out? There is nothing he could have been doing though.

>>85102966
But I tought girm derp was dead... Krypto gets eaten.

>>85122226
>You mean other than putting the fire out right?
Like I said SECONDS into the explosion.

>>85122758
What the fuck does that mean? Second to you and I are a lifetime to him. How many times have we seen Superman put out a fire over the years? He doesn't just stand there and mope for even seconds! He gets to work ASAP!

>>85122226
But making him a realistic fucking person instead of a mary sue charchitecture IS NOT A SHITTY FUCKING DEPICTION!

He has become experienced in saving people, that does not mean he has experience in dealing with the consequences and humanities distrust of him.

His acts should define him to the world but they don't and there is little else he can do to state peoples fears & remain above the politics of his actions at the same time.

>>85122835
This is not a mary sue version of the character that can just wave his hand at problems and they cease.
And he is in fucking despair because alongside the death as this was the last chance he would realistically get to voice were he stands and calm people's paranoia and fear towards him.

>>85102283
there was no real bad guy in WW1 except the generals on every side which is why it was such a tragic, clusterfuck of a war.

>>85116017
>Damn... I knew I left the stove on

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>>85122890
>>85122934
>Traditional Superman is a Mary Sue

>>85122934
But that's shitty. The fact that he doesn't get a chance, by dictate from the director, to tell people where he stands is shitty.

That autistic Redditor who counted all of Superman's lines was extra-autistic, but he did us a huge favor: he illustrates just how much Superman ISN'T a character in this movie. He's a prop. He's a blank slate onto which everyone else projects their fears and hopes and insecurities. This is fine as far as defining Batman and Luthor's characters, but Superman has a character too. In fact, he has one of the most clearly-defined characters in comics. But we don't see it, and we don't really see any new character from him either, because Snyder doesn't let us see it.

>>85123277
No only when reality bends around him to allow him to absurdly save the day with no consequences whatsoever like Reeves.

>>85123294
But the POINT is that Superman is being put thru a bad place. Your like one of those tumblr pieces of shit that thanks bad things shouldn't happen to a fictional person just because of their race or gender.

And Mos/Bvs's Clark is clear and defined perfectly fine, he wants genuinely to save people (like classic superman), he believes life is inherent worth saving (like classic superman) even if he is wary of human beings & how they behave and betray each other.
Nothing notable about the character is missing, its just more subtle/put under more duress then you are used to seeing.

>there are people who will defend snyder after the third bad film
This is getting ridiculous

>>85123490
He didn't direct the 3rd films and the first film is incredible and the 2nd was great.

>>85123449
Fuck subtle, frankly. This is superheroes punching each other. There's no room for subtle in this genre, especially because these movies are so stuffed full of effects and action that subtle things often just go completely missed.

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>>85123519
lol no they weren't you contrarian piece of shit

>>85123646
You know, that looks like something straight out of Hancock.

>>85102283
>German Empire was the cunt
>not Austria-Hungary and the mobilization plans that made peace impossible
Read a book, anon.

>>85123277
>no counter-arguments
>combat pic

>>85123886
Superman TAS was a way before Hacock.

>>85124624
Hello new friend. Decided to jump into the thread with that one? If someone provides an indicator or a facet of their perspective that demonstrates a fundamental disagreement between us about what is good or not good about something, I'm not going to waste my time trying to find common ground with them because we can spend entire threads trying to and we won't. I had responses typed out and ready to fire before remembering that in the big picture it just isn't worth the strife or effort. Hope you have a nice day.

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How many failed movie until DC reboots the franchise again?

I bet JL and WW will be huge flops.

>>85113383
>pay 10 dollars for meat
>spend 30 dollars on a pan to cook it a d a knife to prepare it
>sell meat for 5 dollars
Did you really make a profit anon?

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>>85124864
If they continue after JL, I will be certain that someone is trying to intentionally sink WB as a studio.

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>>85124864
>tfw Snyder was only kept on board to save face
>tfw they more or less had to keep him on because they foolishly scheduled JL's production for two weeks after BvS' premier
>tfw we're getting yet another shitfest but now with cringey flat "jokes"
>tfw Snyder already poisoned the brand and the additions of Cyborg, Flash and Aquaman sure as fuck aren't going to make the movie get to 1 billion

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>>85124981
Why did they let Zack Snyder direct Batman V Superman after Man of Steel was assblasted?! Also, why didn't DC just take it's time and set up the Justice League movie by giving each hero their own movie first?!

Last but not least. Why did Batman V Superman try to cram three potential Superman stories into one movie when each one could've done better as their own movies!? Seriously, he had death of Superman, Dark Knight Returns, and a Justice League prequel in the same movie!!!!! GODDAMN IT!!!!!!!!

>>85125169
They wanted they could do a cinematic universe just as good as Marvel whilst also being more "adult" and "profound".

It failed miserably.

>>85125169
>Also, why didn't DC just take it's time and set up the Justice League movie by giving each hero their own movie first?!
InB4 BUT GUARDIANS DID IT

Why cant anyone do capeshit besides Marvel?
What is the ancient secret Marvel uncovered in order to make good capeshit?

>>85125471
but Marvel IS better than the DCEU
whoever says otherwise is a retarded fuckhead

>>85125377
>>85125471
Better at manipulation

Simple as that.

>>85121621

If Batman vs. Superman never happened, then this wouldn't mean much.

But because so many people got burned on that movie, I think they're more apt to pay attention to the negative critical reviews this time around and skip out watching it but still shitpost about how terrible it is regardless

>>85125377
Repeat the same shit with a slight enough deviation with each one that people won't get too tired of it.

Marvel films are doing so great because they are in that sweet spot of just aiming and accomplishing at being purely "okay" with some exceptions to the rule.

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>>85125566

>>85125377
>Why cant anyone do capeshit besides Marvel?
>What is the ancient secret Marvel uncovered in order to make good capeshit?
Actually, Marvel failed a few times first before they got to Ironman 1. Basically Marvel used trial and error. DC and WB is rushing it, generating failures, and burning up all the good comic material in the process. Warner got arrogant and think they can cram everything into a few films. The Green Lantern had plot for at least two movies. And we know BvS had plot for THREE movies. Frankly if Marvel tried to do they same thing they would likely fail too.

Warner is failing because they are trying to do something even Marvel couldn't do; building a cinematic universe at fast-forward.

>>85125779

I said this in a separate thread, but this is pretty much correct. Marvel took a long time building up enough goodwill from solid movies that they can get away with making a Guardians of the Galaxy movie that gets people interested despite the characters being virtually unknown to the wider public.

WB wants the big legendary blockbuster first and is overextending themselves rather than just getting a string of smaller, sleeper hits to build credibility first. BvS's failure earlier this year means that audiences were even more likely to spook at the sign of bad critic reviews, and then well look what we fucking got.

Doesn't even matter if the movie's good or not, everyone immediately sees the RT rating and the critic reviews and assumes it's another BvS disappointment again and will skip it entirely while continuing to shit talk the DCEU.

They're in a position where they need to play it safe, but instead they're going for 4th-and-long Hail Mary passes.

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>>85125779
Marvel before Iron Man was complete shit. It's honestly strange how quickly the turned. It was about the same time DC stopped making good movies and started making shit too. That's... very strange.

>>85125937

Marvel started making their own movies with an in-house studio that used the few properties it retained.

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>>85125937
>the first two Spidey & X-men movies
>complete shit

>>85125604
I dunno man. I'm really excited for this, both for the movie and the aftermath. Normies, casuals, and comic book fans will have varying opinions. If it's a crowd pleaser that works then what does that mean for critics?

>>85094043

you might have a point if you didn't have to rely on bulverism and armchair psychoanalysis to make it.

>>85104976
>>85102873

are we seriously pretending the Civil War comic is better than the movie now?

>>85126421
Those were Sony and Fox. He's talking about the Incredible Hulk, Daredevil, Elektra etc.

>>85125916
>B wants the big legendary blockbuster first and is overextending themselves rather than just getting a string of smaller, sleeper hits to build credibility first.
And a big deal is that the "smaller, sleeper hits" are EASIER to make!

Marvel isn't better than Warner. Marvel is just smart enough to not bite off more than they could chew. Civil War was a miracle in how it managed to hold itself together, but it only just barely able to juggle all the characters. And once could argue that Civil War could have been an even better film if they hadn't needed to fit in all the buildup for Infinity War.

Thus, even Marvel had to pay the price for pushing things to go faster. Warner is failing because they are trying to make films that need a miracle to pull off. Films that are like The Amazing Spiderman 2, trying to do too much too quickly.

>>85112066
Someone PLEASE make a chrispost webm of this, like that one with Mr Jameson

>>85126938

Incredible Hulk wasn't that bad, I mean, it was better than Thor. Also I'm pretty sure it came out after Iron Man.

>>85126421
Bad
>the 90s shit
>blade 3
>daredevil
>elektra
>X3
>origins: wolverine
>fantastic four
>fantastic four: rise of the silver surfer
>spider-man 3
>ghost rider

Good
>blade
>blade 2
>x-men
>x2
>spider-man
>spider-man 2

Come on man.

>>85094963
It's World War 1 you dingus. There were literally no good or bad sides in that war, it was everybody being stupid.

>>85109893

he said on the beach

>>85110039
>I'm so much smarter then le retarded masses *tips fedora*

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>>85133129

got u covered pham

>>85111951
(you)

>>85127175
Hulk doges were pretty shit bro.

>>85133303

you're thinking of the other Hulk movie.Or, shit. Maybe I was thinking of the wrong movie. Whatever, I was talking about the one with Norton.

>>85116274
No,your right he should show almost no emotion. Seriously, even BATMAN shows more emotion at so much death then Superman.

>>85133546
I think the one with abomination was after Iron Man, becuase I recall a post credits thing.

>>85121588
It's not so much financing as it is running the movies through their production company, Cruel and Unusual Films.