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hahahahahahaha
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Honestly I'd be ok with changing Jason Todd and Tim Drake. Generic ass looking characters.
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>>85081738
I think Lobdell might actually be based...
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If only his comics was as good as his burns.
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>I'm not Bendis

W E W
E
W
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>>85081738
Who is this "Bendis" he is talking about?
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>>85081825
You never heard of Bendis?
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Honestly Lobdell is as repetitive as Bendis though, he just does it with narration boxes repeating what the art shows rather than in dialogue itself.
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>>85081825
You know, anon... Bendis.
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>>85081738
/co/ will not start insisting Lobdell is good
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>>85081855
The comic book writer Bendis?
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>>85081858
Who am I kidding, /co/ will
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>>85081868
Yes. THAT Bendis.
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>>85081738
Jason Todd and Tim Drake Straight White Boys .
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This one was better: https://twitter.com/ScottyLobdell/status/760151003157016577

Honestly Lobdell is a weird guy to come at about representation stuff. He introduces a lot of varied characters. Though I guess this is just Jasonfags wanting their porn to be canon and not actually about representation.

Shay Veritas was a good waifu is what I'm saying and someone should bring her back.
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>>85081868
He writes comic books?
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>>85081965
>hough I guess this is just Jasonfags wanting their porn to be canon and not actually about representation.
yup.
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>>85081977
Books? Like the things you read?
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>>85081858
We will admit that he has produced some good work, but the bad outweighs the good.
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Who is Bunker?
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>>85082022
The Teen Titan that's purple and cute and moves like earth or whatever.
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>>85081806
Red Hood Rebirth was great.
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>>85081965
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>>85081941
tumblr will die .
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Bendis works for the CIA anyway, the multiculturalism on his comics are parts of propaganda, but /co/ prefers to negate the reality, probably because that fit with their own interests of angry lesbians and butthurt minorities.
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>>85081965
Jesus Christ that discussion is long and ridiculous
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>>85081858
>He didn't see the RHATO Rebirth Thread
It's already starting /co/mpadre
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>>85081738
>I'm not Bendis
Who's he trying to fool. We know he waifus Kitty Pryde as much as Bendis does.
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>>85081858
Age of Apocalypse was good
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>>85082022
The only good thing to come out of New 52 Titans.

Now I'm going to Tumblr to look at how they reacted to this Tweet.
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>>85082037
Headcanons are a bitch.
Out of curiosity, why Latino? Who's he shipped with?
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>>85082022
Gay Latino member of the Teen Titans. Created by Lobdell for the New 52 run, and based on a friend of his. Largely agreed to be the only good and entertaining part of the book.
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>>85082047
>Bendis works for the CIA
Hehehehehe yes goy


He works for the CIA
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>>85081965
>Doomed
this was pretty ok. Shame it got cancelled. It's cool that Lobdell didn't raise a stink about it though. Wish Doomboy would be used for later storylines, he has a pretty neat set up. Basically what if Peter Parker became Hulk instead of becoming Spider-Man.
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>>85082062
That's hardly a unique to Bendis trait to be honest. Damn near every X-Writer does.
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>>85081965

>Shay Veritas


She was a shitty knock-off of Leo Quintum and made less sense than him.
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>>85082022
Gay mexican teen hero. The only good thing of Lodbell's Teen Titans, at least at the beginning. Now nowhere to be seen.

And of course, apparenlty this Jason todd is a latino si some retarded tumblr headcanon, supported by him being basque in the bombshell comics... of course, ignoring that being basque in europe is very different from being latino in america, but wtf do they know about cultures and ethnicity these retards?
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>>85081738
>Wouldn't that be like making "Bart Allen" a mass murdering Christian terrorist actually named Bar Torr and putting him into a hetshit relationship when he should be with a cute boy?
>Wouldn't that be like making "Tim Drake" an Olympic gymnast who is also a genius hacker who hacked into Penguin's banking accounts and because of that his family is targeted by him, so they are put into witpro by the FBI and "Tim Drake" is given his name to protect his identity?
>Wouldn't that be like making Kon-El a clone of Jon Kent, the supervillainous son of Superman from the future, created by Harvest and sent to the past to destroy the Teen Titans?
I'm not Lobdell.
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>>85082071
>Who's he shipped with?
Tim mostly, then Dick, Bruce and Roy.

I don't know about the Latino bit he grew up in a slum and stole for awhile, you think they'd be against the stereotype.
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>>85082035

It was ok.
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>>85082140
>Batships
And here I thought I'll be surprised.
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>>85081858
Lobdell is mediocre, he does some nice stuff (I liked RH&A) and he does some massive shits (RH&O, Teen Titans, that Doomsday kid)
personally he's okay though so I can't hate him that much
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>>85082132
That book was shitty but I guarantee a lot of that stuff was mandated too. Remember they didn't want actual legacies in the new 52 so those characters had to be divorced from their adult counterparts.
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>>85082037
You'll lose.
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I'd say that's a pretty sick burn, but honestly he should probably stop fucking interacting with idiots on twitter. Especially ones clearly deluded like >>85082037
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>>85081738
How long until people start insisting RHATO and Teen Titans were good?
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>>85082132
But are you Bendis?
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>>85082037
If you want to argue why he SHOULD be gay and Latino, ok. Fine.
But Christ, you can't honest to God think he already is, right?
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>>85082246
People already started defending RHATO after Starfire's new book made her dumb.

(Everyone with taste knows best modern Starfire was in R.E.B.E.L.S. of course.)
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>>85081738
>Implying anyone cares about his shit OC
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>>85081780
Whites all look alike right?
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>>85082289
This is why I liked Morrison making him ginger, though making him ugly was a step too far.
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>>85082246
well, I wouldn't say that my LCS said they were good but one dude working in the shop recommended RHATO to some customers.
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>>85081998
Yeah. THOSE books.
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>>85082270
Can't disagree with that.
Also, if Lobdell was clever he'd write some plot line about how Roy actually knowing about Rebirth, since at the beginning of the nu52 he remembered all this stuff that was no longer canon.
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>>85082289
>Whites all look alike
No but Bruce definitely has a type, he's probably already started leaving skin whitening cream around, and looking up Iris surgery for duke to become white blue-eyed master race like the rest of the family.
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>>85081738
Make him a white Latino. Everybody wins.
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>>85081965
Yeah. Lobdell is basically Claremont-tier with rainbow parades of diversity casts.
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>>85082197

What about all the other shitty changes Lobdell has done since the Nu52?
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>>85082317
Was he actually meant to be ugly in Morrison's run?
Also, I do like the idea of him dyeing his hair to look more like Bruce.
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>>85082317
Making him ginger was Morrison being stupid and added an even more stupid and unnecessary retcon.
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>>85082270

REBELS was awful for Starfire.

Remember, it was the comic that outright made her origin into RAAAAAAAAPE.
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>>85082197
But come on man.
>"Bart Allen"
>Actually Bar Torr
>Torr is from a future where an atheist Socialist regime took over the world, outlawing religion.
>Anyone caught practicing a religion would be executed.
>Torr and his family are hardcore Christians. Because of this, a death squad is sent to execute his family. Torr and his little sister (oh yeah, "Bart" has a little sister now) watch as their parents are murdered.
>Now orphans, Torr resorts to stealing. This isn't enough to provide for himself and his little sister, so he has to join the military for the same government that killed his parents.
>On a mission transporting chemicals, a mysterious meteorite slams in Torr's spaceship, causing it to crash. Everyone onboard, except Torr, are killed.
>The chemicals spill onto Torr and the radiation from the meteorite grants him super speed. Torr immediately uses these powers to massacre an entire barracks of unarmed and/or sleeping soldiers. Then he leads a revolution against the regime.
>This revolution would cause the deaths of millions, on both fronts.
>While meeting with his men, Torr learns that some of his supporters, not all just a handful, are bloodthirsty rapists. Because of this, Torr regrets his decisions and decides to turn himself into the regime.
>Torr willingly gives up all the names, bases, strategies, et cetera (which obviously leads to even more deaths).
>To protect Torr from revenge from his former allies, the regime gives him the name "Bart Allen" and sends him to the 21st Century.
>Then Lobdell decides to put Bart in a relationship with a breeder.
This goes beyond just "not making Bart into a legacy character."
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>>85082331

So he would make Roy into an even bigger piece of shit?

>>85082347

Christ Claremont is way better writer, though.
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>>85082398
Yeah. Aside from Bunker, what he did during TT was inexcusable.
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>>85082471

RHatO too. I actually liked Red Hood before the reboot.
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>>85082398
>Then Lobdell decides to put Bart in a relationship with a breeder.
I see nothing wrong with this
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>>85082398
Actually Lobdell is good now so that's a good story now.
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>>85082446
More just it would be funny if he took what started out as a slip up with the nu52 canon (since nobody knew what was going on at that point) and then made it so that Roy still had memories from the past universe but didn't know if they were real or the result of being an alcoholic.
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>>85082490
All the truly awful parts of Red Hood was not written by Lobdell
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>>85082490
I'd say the one good thing about RHatO was him making Killer Croc Roy's AA sponsor.
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>>85082505
I mean, admittedly, there isn't anything wrong with that. But of all the characters, Solstice? Give me a break.
>implying Bart would get with a slut like Solstice
Bart should get with a cute boy.
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>>85082446
>Christ Claremont is way better writer, though.

Well, obviously. Though, I don't want to say that Lobdell's a BAD writer exactly. More that he consistently chooses to write the stuff he's weakest at rather than playing to his strengths.

Admittedly, that might just be me being nostalgic for Gen X.
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>>85082517
I think the heroin might be retconned back in. Dinah mentioned it in Green Arrow, though it might have just been a rumor thing that she heard of.
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>>85082528

He wrote the first issues. He created the Oucasts/Untitled. EVERYTHING ISSUE OF RHATO IS BAD!
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>>85082289
Yes
There's a pic of the latest Bachelorette finalists and 3 out of 4 of them look very similar
Only one looks different because he's uglier than the rest
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>>85082547
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>>85082538
You take that back you filth. Solstice is pure
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>>85082553
No actually those stories are good now.
Starfire was good then.
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>>85082062

Claremont did it first.

Well, when he isn't getting hookers to dress up as his other waifu Storm and fist him.
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>>85081941
>Tim Drake
>Straight
>Ever

Anon, you card. Tim has always been the bi Robin.

That being said, I have no real opposition to any character being written as bi, as long as no attempt is made to disparage or discredit their orientation or past relationships to do it.
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>>85082538
>that pic
Goddammit /co/, not today.
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>>85082538

Man, so weird that Solstice was introduced as this happy go luck Indian with sun powers by Krull, of all people, and then right after the reboot Lobdell change the character making her a coal monster with a past filled with torture and abuse.
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>>85082574

How can anyone know if Starfire was good or bad in RHatO when Lobdell constantly changed his mind about the character?
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>>85082553
Nah, they were a very interesting addition to Jason backstory. Shame that the untitled were squandered on Tynion's bullshit.

Oh and for the record, the monks are called the All-Caste.
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>>85082630
Who cares, he said something I agree with, and that makes him and his writing good now
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>>85082572
Solstice is a
S L U T
L
U
T
That makes no sense putting Bart in with a relationship with her.

>>85082596
Imagine him vibrating as you fuck him or as he fucks you.
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>>85082037
>He's Chinese
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>>85082571
>Oliver had kid genius make him fancy arrows
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>>85082651

>Nah, they were a very interesting addition to Jason backstory.

No, they weren't. They were stupid, inconsistent and terrible. They turned the character into pure cringe.

Turning Jason Todd into a ninja and a with magical skills is fucking duuumb.
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>>85082669
Dammit anon. I didn't need this erection.
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>>85082696

Under Lobdell Roy was a better scientist than Lex Luthor and a better archer than Green Arrow,
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>>85082366
Yes, he had acne from the mask and was going bald.
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Whatever the fuck happened to Solstice? I stopped reading Lodbell's TT right before the Culling. Did she die? I liked how they made her look.
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>>85082669
Solstice is pure like the sun, it is in fact she who is to good for a boyslut like Bart.
>Spoiler
That's not how it works with boys
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>>85082751
When Bart, I mean Bar Torr, was brought back to the future to face trial or something, IDK, Solstice decided to stay there in prison with him. Now Bar Torr's back in the present and Solstice is no where to be seen. Like, uh, what?
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>>85082751
They found out Bar Tor was a mass murdering terrorist who had to serve his sentence on a prison planet for the rest of his life, so she murdered a guard to join him. A fate worse than death.
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>>85082778
>Calling Bart a slut
M8, them's fighting words. Square up.

If you read Impulse and Young Justice, you'll realize Bart is the purest person in all of fiction.
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>>85082738
Not sure about the hair, but I always thought that the zits were just a result of wearing the helmet.
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>>85082797
>>85082801
>>85082804
That sounds retarded. Thanks.
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>>85082736
Why do you feel the need to lie?
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>>85082842
He says right there he's going bald as a result of the hair dye and getting aged by the lazarus pit.
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>>85082876
He says the white streak is a result of that, not the acne though
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>>85081738
He's not very good, but at least he doesn't actively ruin things for his own fanfiction like Bendis.
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>>85082738
This is probably the moment when I stopped drinking Grant's Kool-Aid.

>branding!
>comics about comics!

He spent way too much time in his Batman run writing about the CONCEPT of Batman than Batman himself. I can still enjoy a Morrison book of course, but he keeps riding the same old themes that haven't really been clever or new in more than twenty years. Worse, he's begun cannibalizing his own work. All the old guys start to do that eventually and it's usually a sign that it's time to put them out to pasture.
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>>85082077
>Largely agreed to be the only good and entertaining part of the book.
I also maintain that Danny the Street being a TT was a fun idea.
But absolutely nothing else good about the book.
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>>85082751

>I liked how they made her look.

It was retarded.
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>>85082982
Pretty sure that Danny being a TT was a thing before new 52
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>>85082132
Being written inconsistent is a stable on comics from the Big 2, but changing sexuality is a bigger change to the character because its his fundamental identity.

Get triggered fag fujoshit, your porn fantasy isn't canon.
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>>85082856

I'm being honest. Under Lobdell Roy's a genius capable of creating all kinds of complex technology, from the apparatus he uses to robots, and also navigate and fix anything, including alien technology he had never encountered before.
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>>85082931

>He's not very good, but at least he doesn't actively ruin things for his own fanfiction like Bendis.

Yes, he does.
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>>85082982

Danny the Street was nothing but a magical bus and he was later blown up.

Lobdell use of Grant Morrison's concepts were awful.
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I liked the DC Presents: Arsenal one-shot where he went to China to find Croc and ended up rescuing some dragon looking guy from the Triads.
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>>85083117

That wasn't written by Lobdell, i'm afraid.
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>>85083060
But nowhere is it ever shown, implied or hinted that he is better then Lex. Did you even read Lobdells superman?
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>>85083159

He managed to do something that Lex never did in other books.

>Did you even read Lobdells superman?

Yes, it was awful, inconsistent and stupid.

I specially hated that super-prison Lex built. I can't believe that went past some editor.
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>>85083145
I didn't think it was, but we were discussing Roy so I thought I'd mention it.
I liked that Lobdell wrote Croc as a decent guy, and I liked that the rest of DC ran with it.
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>>85082022

I still think Bunker was initially conceived of as a Violet Lantern and that got jettisoned somewhere along the way.
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>>85083028
>>85082982
>Danny the Street is homosexual and often crossdresses. He also has a very flamboyant personality.
This will always make me laugh.

>>85083046
I mean, to be fair, Bart's not exactly the straightest tool in the box. In Impulse, he was immune to White Lightning's charms (she is able to seduce any man), he crossdresses as a cheerleader twice, and he kissed a mook he was fighting (either on the forehead or lips -- it was obscured). Though, of course, you could also argue that he is straight, just that he's super comfortable with his sexuality. But personally, I want him to get a cute boyfriend.
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>>85083218
The super-prison was great, felt like a Morrison/silver age idea. Morrison even gave it a cameo in his last issue.
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>>85082037

What the fuck is with Jason Todd fangirls.
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>>85083218
>He managed to do something that Lex never did in other books.
Like what, being a decent human being?
>I specially hated that super-prison Lex built
You know that it makes perfect sense, and show my Roy building anything close to that
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>>85082571

He should've slapped that bitch. She was clearly trying to start something; who the fuck just brings up a heroin addicted partner/son-figure otherwise.

Should've rocked her one. If Batman said it, there'd be blows.
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>All comics should pander to my sexual fantasies.

>I don't care if they have to change the characters for it, they personalities doesn't matter, they can make them like and want to fuck whatever I want, I NEED this validation.

The most patethic is that there are people on /co/, ON THIS VERY THREAD, that are like this.
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>>85083234

Bunker initially was going to be called The Wall or some such, but then someone pointed to Lobdell that having a illegal Mexican immigrant capable of creating psyonic pink pricks with his mind called the Wall was bad.
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>>85082547

Roy makes reference to his drug abuse history in Titans too. It's still a thing.
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>>85083242

There was nothing great about the Super-Prison. It was stupid and made no sense. You can't excuse every stupid shit as citing the Silver Age as an excuse.

Lex would never create a Super-Prison that he can't escape from just because Superman taunted him, because then he'd fall into an very and lazy intellectual low trap like a cartoon character thus proving Superman intellect (or of any child) over him.

And the judicial system would never house Lex in a prison that he himself designed. You know why? Because then Lex would use any weakness he designed into it to communicate with the outside world or escape, WHICH HE DID!

It's fucking stupid.
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>>85083359
Most Lobdell fans are Marvelcucks though, that's where his popular stuff was published.
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>>85082931
Have you read Teen Titans, RHATO, and Superboy?
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>>85083304
Bad? Or AMAZING?
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>>85083286

>Like what, being a decent human being?

Interfacing and creating technology that Lex never had.

>You know that it makes perfect sense

No, it doesn't and Roy has made things way more advanced.
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>>85083403
>Lex would never create a Super-Prison that he can't escape from just because Superman taunted him, because then he'd fall into an very and lazy intellectual low trap like a cartoon character thus proving Superman intellect (or of any child) over him.
Meanwhile he dismissed the idea of Kent being superman because that would be to obvious
>Because then Lex would use any weakness he designed into it to communicate with the outside world or escape, WHICH HE DID!
But he got out legally, and hey guess what they don't have a prison that can hold them. So what do?
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>>85083437
>Interfacing and creating technology that Lex never had.
Like fucking what?
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>>85083437
>No, it doesn't and Roy has made things way more advanced.

Like?

Roy was clever but Crux was superior to him regarding all things alien
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>>85082738
Literally just ripping of Rorshache to the point I wonder if Alan Moore's "Grant Morrison is fucking with me sense" started to tingle
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>>85083403
>Lex would never create a Super-Prison that he can't escape from just because Superman taunted him, because then he'd fall into an very and lazy intellectual low trap like a cartoon character thus proving Superman intellect (or of any child) over him.
That's Lex.
>And the judicial system would never house Lex in a prison that he himself designed. You know why? Because then Lex would use any weakness he designed into it to communicate with the outside world or escape, WHICH HE DID!
He didn't break out though, he got out legally with a full pardon.
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>>85083474

>Meanwhile he dismissed the idea of Kent being superman because that would be to obvious

That makes sense, though.

>But he got out legally

He communicated with the outside world constantly and escaped several times. He'd just come back.

>and hey guess what they don't have a prison that can hold them. So what do?

Says who? Lobdell. Fuck him.
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>>85081738
Based Lobdell.

One thing I will never understand is why tumblr is so obsessed with gays and gay ships.
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>>85083559
You don't understand why people like things they can masturbate to?
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>>85083526
He shamelessly lifted the ending to the Killing Joke too.
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>>85083506
>>85083522

Like being able to navigate and fix Crux's ship and Starfire's ship. Or turn Hellspont tech against him.

>>85083546

>That's Lex.

No, it isn't. Lex isn't dumb and he'd see Superman's intentions coming miles away and tell Superman to go fuck himself.

The Super-Prison. Morrison had Lex housed in a super-prison, but one that wasn't designed by him.
Lobdell went back and created that quirky and oh so over-the-top story that made no sense.
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>>85083236
>he crossdresses as a cheerleader twice
Between this info and all the Ricken art I've seen I've decided I need this in my life.
Is KAT a honeypot now? Where else should I get complete sets of comics?
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>>85081738
>another basic white boy

Can someone tell me why "PoC" are allowed to say shit like this? You know they'd be fucking pissed if you were that dismissive about characters of any other race.
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>>85083559
I have a friend that's a tumblrite, and as far as I can tell it's because they seem to think that jerking off to smooth boys rubbing against each other is something more than just jerking off.
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Should I continue reading generation X ?

I am in issues 4 and the only thing keeping my interest is Jono and Penance who is a cute.
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>>85083637
Luthor always gets incredibly irrational and tunnel-visioned when dealing with Superman. He wore a radioactive ring that made him lose his hand and gave him terminal cancer because he hates Superman so much.
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>>85081738
those really aren't equivalents but okay
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>>85081780
jason's never had any love interests, so what's the harm with letting him take one up the ass every once in a while? other than jasonfags bitching, of course
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>>85083670
I don't think most of them are actually delusional but they realize arguing from a point of social justice gives you more standing ground because it tricks people into thinking it's not about the porn.
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>>85083637
>Like being able to navigate and fix Crux's ship

You mean the ship that a really smart human cobbled together?

>Starfire's ship.

He never fixed Kori's ship and when they were in the space he only suggested to divert the available power differently.

>Or turn Hellspont tech against him.

That was Crux. Roy only picked up a huge ass canon and shoot him with it.
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>>85083687
No, it's shit. Why that shit comic has fans in current year is beyond me.
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>>85082132
respond to that tweet with this
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>>85083662
Shitskins are allowed to get away with more things in pop culture and social media because they specifically have been oppressed and enslaved for hundreds of years. Totally not their ancestors who they never knew. Just them.
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>>85083746
It has great art from Bachalo at least until he changed his style to make everyone look like overgrown babies.
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>>85083662
>"PoC"
please don't get racist we aren't /pol/.

>>85083236
You know what a gay cute speedster would be nice but fuck it being an old character. Fuck, character rewrites. I'm gay and I'm more sick of the shit gay characters we have. Why can't we just get some good ones. I'm surprised bunker was so decent with a book so bad. Though the whole boyfriend bullshit was retarded.
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>>85083688

>Luthor always gets incredibly irrational and tunnel-visioned when dealing with Superman.

Lex didn't knew that the kryptonite radiation affected humans too and he did it as a necessity.

The Super-Prison as built by Lex was stupid. Why do insist on defending such a stupid idea?
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>>85083720
They're never going to make an ex-Robin gay, not since they've been dodging that implication since the 50s.
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>>85083637
>Like being able to navigate and fix Crux's ship and Starfire's ship. Or turn Hellspont tech against him.
And lex has done things far more advanced then some alien starship, as seen in the super prison where one room turned eveything into liquid by increasing gravity
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>>85083746
>Shit comic
Fuck off it was good. I hate lobdell but I liked it and I loved what he did to Emma before Morison completely ruined her.
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>>85082630
if he keeps changing his mind on the character, then yes it's bad
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>>85083785
>Lex didn't knew that the kryptonite radiation affected humans too and he did it as a necessity.
Perhaps he should have tested it first, like a rational person would.
>The Super-Prison as built by Lex was stupid. Why do insist on defending such a stupid idea?
Because it's fun. Here's Lex denying universal peace because of his hateboner for Supes.
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>>85082651
DT please
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>>85083821
Morrison did nothing wrong
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>>85083652
Piratebay has the complete collection, but it had 0 seeds. I could upload all of mine of MediaFire, if you want.

>>85083559
Well, I'm not Tumblr, but I am gay IRL so I want to be pandered to.
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>>85081738
go gay. be american!
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>>85083815

>And lex has done things far more advanced then some alien starship, as seen in the super prison where one room turned eveything into liquid by increasing gravity

The Super-Prison was stupid. We just went over that point. Under other writers, which i'm used as a measure of Lex true character, Lex had never displayed that level of intelligence. He even had help from the Apokolips people to retrofit the Mother-Box.
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>>85083871
For the most part the run was good but that devolution of the character for no reason other than because he wanted a slut to cause a rift in Scott and Jeans love life was awful.

Gen X gave her a fucking redemption arc and a pretty fantastic one at that. I hate this rollcoaster. I mean he could have used fucking psylocke for crying out loud with the same results.
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>>85083410
lobdell fans in a nutshell
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>>85083882
>MediaFire
That will have to do, thank you.
My boylust must be satiated.
Plus, it should be a good starting point for Flash.
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>>85083842

>Perhaps he should have tested it first, like a rational person would.

Tests were run, though.

>Because it's fun.

It wasn't. It was dumb and stupid. It made Lex look like a fucking retard.

>Here's Lex denying universal peace because of his hateboner for Supes.

Aaaand? That's not comparable. Specially given the greater context of that page.

Lex had a shitty life where he had to built what he had from nothing while Superman had good parents and was blessed with everything. Lex had the power of god, but he'd never be happy knowing Superman would remain existing. What matter having the power of god when you're miserable?

See, that makes sense. The Super-Prison doesn't. Stop having a shitty taste.
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>>85083842
Why would he have thought to test it?
It's apparent effects were an immediate crippling reaction from Superman and nothing else. It's a piece of his home planet. Nothing about that suggests he should set up a 30 year clinical trial on the effects of kryptonite on lab rats or some shit.
Yes nowadays it's easy to know literally everything gives you cancer but that hardly makes good comics. Maybe next we'll have Batman get cancer from his wireless headset he's always using or some shit.
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>>85082687
kek
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>>85082538
Agree to disagree. I think Bart should be with a blond haired blue eyed meek woman who will bare him many pure blooded children.
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>>85083720
>jason's never had any love interests,"
But Jason was ever only attracted ti women.

>so what's the harm with letting him take one up the ass every once in a while?

Because it would be like making Bunker straight. Why you need to retcon the character sexuality? Seriously, why people on these threads always beg for writters to do it? Why you need to change it?

And I don't even like Jason.
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>>85084205
What if we just made every comic book character hedonistic and bisexual on their days off. Like when they're on the clock, nothing but the usual but when everyone's locked up, huge orgy at Wayne Manor.
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>>85084205
>Why you need to retcon the character sexuality?
Ask Bendis or CBR fag brigade.
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>>85083275

and what is with the fangirls who want their male characters bi or gay?

Shouldn't they want them to be straight?
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>>85084205
I once asked someone on CBR why they thought Jason was Bi and got sent here,

>http://fuckyeahjasontodd.tumblr.com/post/57344572122/cornflakepizza-no-but-yes-tricky-answer-i

>yes, Jason’s (probably) a beautiful bisexual butterfly, but no, it hasn’t officially been acknowledged by DC.
JFC I forgot how horrible Tumblr fanbase is.
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>>85084198
>not Carol

pleb

>>85084294
one dick = good so two dicks = gooder, like guys who enjoy girl on girl
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>>85084294
Man on man is hotter, maybe?
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>>85084294
Do you even jack off to lesbians?
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>>85081738
i knew it, fucking sjw's are trying to make latinos irrelevant just as white poeple!!!
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>>85084236
>What if we just made every comic book character hedonistic and bisexual on their days off. Like when they're on the clock, nothing but the usual but when everyone's locked up, huge orgy at Wayne Manor.


This seems to be unironically what people really want.

Not only for the batfamily but all characters on everything. "Why aren't they all bi and fucking each other?"

When fan culture became so patethic that people don't actually like canon, but their fantasies regarding it? Why everything is so vapid? I can take it on fanart for fun, but trying to force it on canon just show lack of itntegrity and real interest.
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>>85081825
You don't know Bendis? The comic book writer? Brian Michael Bendis?
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>>85084459
there's literally nothing wrong with orgies
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>>85084381

yes but i wouldn't give a shit if the girl was straight.

for those fangirls however it's like the thought of the guy only fucking pussy disgusts them.
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>>85084205
>Why you need to retcon the character sexuality?
You don't need to, but it's not equivalent to making Bunker straight. Bunker is a well-defined character who happens to be gay, making him very important for gay representation, because he actually gets treated like a character (otherwise, you get shit like the stereotypical gay bff in the killing joke) when there are so few actual characters who are gay.

Jason, on the other hand, is not important for straight representation, because that's already the majority, and the default. He's just a character. Lobdell can keep the character as straight if he wants, that's his creative right, but his reasoning is retarded.
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>>85084586
Can you blame them? Vaginas look gross.
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>>85084588
So you're arguing that it was alright for Bendis to make Iceman gay just because?
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>>85084459
It's more like a minority who read Yaoi can got into comic books because of fan art. So now they want it to be canon so they can read comics about it.

even if they managed to get what they wanted. Even to their slant. There's no way they'll enjoy it because it won't be portrayed in the creepy rapetastic way it's portrayed in yaoi. I'm not kidding. It's as bad as hentai in that regard if not worse.
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>>85084623
Did you read my argument? Bendis making Iceman gay was retarded because Iceman had a long history of heterosexual relationships, and Bendis threw it all away with "lol no you're full gay", all while ignoring that his mary sue jean grey just committed an awful invasion of privacy and is being praised for it.
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>>85084588
No fuck you. Have some fucking integrity and no double standards. There's literally more than enough representation. They just actually need to be used instead of tossed aside.
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>>85084588
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>>85084685
And Jason has a story of dating girls as well. Why it would be fine for them to turn him bi then?
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>>85084588
Objection: works of fiction aren't forced to pander to social Justice or to your polítical views and sexuality, and don't need to give a fuck for "representation".

This alone ends your argument, nobody "has" to care about your representation cheap card.

So do you have any other thing to say that isn't tumblr argument, dear fujoshi? Also, Jason has more personalitty and story than Bunker, even if he is usually just a Punisher knock off, changing his sexuality is weirder and bigger than a nobody like Bunker. Also why you NEED to change his sexuality instead of creating other character?
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>>85084731
Do you understand what "bisexual" means...
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>>85084767
Oh, I forgot that /co/ is incapable of engaging in a discussion without the words "SJW" or "muh pandering"
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>>85084772
>>85084767
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>>85084841
so you don't know what the word "bisexual" means....

/co/ in action
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>>85084818
The argument was literally "muh representation" as a disguise for their sexual fantasies.
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>>85084863
What there shows it? It would still be a retcon of sexuality, and still needless shit.
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>>85084878
No, /co/ is just retarded, and doesn't realize that bisexual people are capable of having relationships with both genders
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>>85084922
I don't agree that Jason should be made bi, but I think technically it's only a retcon if he ever said he was straight before. You can choose to only pursue one gender and still be bi.
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>>85084929
Lmao

People are just saying that retconing characters to be bi is also stupid as fuck.
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>>85084958
exactly
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>>85084929
Man more bisexuals would be interested. I'm not saying a lot more but there's like 1 currently.
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>>85084958
>but I think technically it's only a retcon if he ever said he was straight before.

But 97% of the population is straight. Its like presuming that a person that you only talked on phone is a midget just because you never saw them in front of you and nothing contradict it.
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I don't even like Bendis but he's a lot better than Lobdell
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>>85085062
Lobdell X-Men>Bendis X-Men.
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>>85084958
Sure in Real Life, but we're talking of fictional characters that depend of the whims of its creators and there's nothing in Jason's publication story that even hints to that possibility, effectively making it a retcon.
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>>85081965
I don't get the burn here. Is he saying someone who's complaining about Jason Todd hasn't read books he's in?
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>>85085100
This.

A character is only bi if the writter make it explicit, people don't go on life presuming that others are part of a less than 2% group on the general population.

Also, its obvious that he wasn't created or written with it in mind, its no different from the Ice Man bulshit.
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>>85085030
Probability doesn't make something canon.

>>85085100
Given how fictional relationships and attraction are written especially in comics I don't know if I agree (since probably too often there's no mention of attraction before two characters even get together), but that is a better argument. Of course didn't Winnick say he wrote him bi? So it's even less about authorial intent and more about what DC editorial thinks.
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>>85081738

what is this guy writing?

I'll buy thirty?
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>>85085100
every character in comics gets subjected to subtext, and it's not like jason's love life has been a major part of his character. his most notable was talia, and that was because of daddy issues
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>>85083106
Danny was a good character with an interesting personality
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>>85085226
Don't do it man, it's not worth it.
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>>85085233

Not under Lobdell.
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>>85082149
>It was ok
still his best issue of red hood
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>>85085149
Person with dumb headcanons tried to claim Jason should be changed because comics need more representation. Lobdell listed characters he wrote that prove that he's not part of the problem as far as representation goes. They claimed the characters didn't matter because they weren't famous. Lobdell called them out for not reading his books and still criticizing him.
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>>85085200
>Of course didn't Winnick say he wrote him bi?

Nope

>ComicVine:Is he (Jason) a little bisexual?

>JW: That was the first time we’ve ever saw him mess around with anybody. Truth is, I haven’t really thought about it. I think about Jason in a lot of other ways. You might put him in bed, I don’t do that. That was the only time I thought about him having sex because she wanted to.
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>>85082289
All white guys drawn or selected for mass media do

It's almost like entertainment is biased towards traditionally attractive people. Hollywood blonde syndrome.

>It's ANOTHER broad shouldered, square jawed guy with a hawk nose, deep set eyes, and a square hairline
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>>85084929
Jason is neither gay nor bi because he never showed any interest in males.

So get over yourself because if you truly cared about "representions", you would have actually bothered to buy books about them instead trying to make established straight male into homo for your own fantasies.
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>>85085304
That makes Devin Grayson the only writer who tried to push a "former Robin is bisexual" head canon that got stomped by editorial.
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>>85085200
>Of course didn't Winnick say he wrote him bi?

He basically did that "I'm not saying anything about that" thing that Seeley also did when asked about Dick being bi
So basically, he may be okay with it, but DC won't let him actually write it or say it in interviews because Wertham.
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>>85085226
Currently? Red Hood and the Outlaws rebirth which was great so far.
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>>85085304
Ok my mistake. Although, it's still likely a matter of editorial control rather than creator intent.

>>85085392
Seeley outright said that Dick was straight iirc, just flirty.
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>>85085304
>Interviewer: Is he (Jason) a little bisexual?

>JW: That was the first time we’ve ever saw him mess around with anybody. Truth is, I haven’t really thought about it. I think about Jason in a lot of other ways. You might put him in bed, I don’t do that. That was the only time I thought about him having sex because she wanted to.

>Interviewer: Oh, I put him in bed! No, really —-

>JW: I’m totally dodging the question. This is me ducking the question. There’s things we can talk about and there’s things we can’t talk about, there’s things that DC Comics doesn’t like me talking about and they don’t like us talking about things like that, so I don’t want to answer that, thank you.

You forgot the last half
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>>85085200
>Probability doesn't make something canon.

That is an extremely fucking weak defense.
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>>85085062
>>85085091
Bendis up until maybe 2004, maybe charitably half of his stuff (or more) before 2010, was far better than Lobdell.

But I'd rather read Lobdell's X-Men over Bendis' X-Men. And Lobdell's X-Men wasn't good.
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what is jason todd? just generic white kid?
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>>85085353
representation is a code word for the denormalization of normal and normalization of abnormal

basically white people get out we want to feel like the majority reeee

>americans
>able to deal with being weird minorities
if you eliminated every straight white man's ability to feel prejudice, random insecure teens would pretend to speak for minorities, claim to be threatened, and basically ask to be the dominant force in society
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>>85082325
Books written by Bendis?
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>>85085491
Not at all actually. Hes pretty relatable for anyone that grew up in the ghettos of the inner city considering his parents are how most of our parents were, either strung out of in jail. Hes already representing an underepresented demographic.
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>>85085432
Seeley said something more like he could see Dick as bi because he's so flirty

https://twitter.com/HackinTimSeeley/status/743497994687946752

also there's
>Heh, I feel like me predicting anything would get confused with my opinion on the subject.
he's basically saying he doesn't care if DIck is bi, could see him written as bi, but it'll never happen because DC would get fucking roasted by normies for having a Robin like men.
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>>85085432
>Seeley outright said that Dick was straight iirc, just flirty.
He said people can headcanon him however they want, but he won't be writing Dick as bi
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>>85085551
What I was referencing was a specific interview quote from like a year ago not twitter. He was more straightforward then. I'll look for it.
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>>85085551
Or by people who actually like the character, and not just porn fanart.
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TIm or DIck deserve to be bisexual more than Jason.
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>>85085551
>DC would get fucking roasted

But normies always expected robin to be gay
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>>85085460
How is it a weak defense? He tried to argue that population statistics are in-continuity so straying from them would automatically be a retcon. I don't agree that you can retcon assumptions. I think making him bi would just be a change in how they're writing him rather than a true retcon. Similar to giving him superpowers or something.

Not that either would be a good idea necessarily, just as far as classification goes.
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>>85085491
He's a generic edgy white child.
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>>85085617
Yeah but people joking about it is different from it actually happening in canon.

And anyway I have a feeling Warner Bros higher ups would get more upset at Batman being "ruined" at a Robin being gay.
Reminder that Johns and Didio had to reassure a WB person that there are half a dozen GLs and the gay Alan Scott is just one of them.
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>>85084381
I jack off to white boys, with big butts
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>>85081965
>https://twitter.com/ScottyLobdell/status/760151003157016577

Jesus fucking christ that bitch is everything that is wrong with comics these days. "I want to see (random diverse political identity) A-lister because this already politically diverse character isn't famous enough for me to get nerd points for tweeting about."
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>>85085592
...People like Dick beyond the porn fanart?
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>>85083997
Uh... Impulse isn't very lewd, to be honest. The crossdressing scenes are just done for comedic effect. But I'm still uploading the series because I think everyone should read it! If you guys want, I can also upload the entirety of Young Justice.

http://www.mediafire.com/download/e8dibp5yz6gu2bq/Impulse.rar
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>>85085909
The best Dick Grayson is from TTG, at least there he is interesting and has flaws, main Graysson merit is only being good yaoi fap material, he is worthless as a character.
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>>85085589
I'm a failure and I can't find it. It was from 2015 or earlier for sure though.
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>>85082091
but it's true.
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>>85086022
Best Dick is ASBAR Dick

Has flaws and is a qt
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>>85085838
Ok Dickfag
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>>85083811
You know, you can have a gay Robin and a straight Batman. It's possible. The only people would assume they slept together are subhuman degenerate scumfucks anyway and nobody cares about their opinions because they aren't people.
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>>85086229
Nah, Wertham ruined it. They could only do it with a lesbian Robin but not a male gay one.
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>>85083236
fuck you fujoshit
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>>85086229
>The only people would assume they slept together are subhuman degenerate scumfucks anyway and nobody cares about their opinions because they aren't people

So the same people asking for a gay robin in the first place
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>>85086247
Who the fuck is Wertham?
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>>85086274
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>>85086261
Swing and a miss.

Wanna go again? You got two tries before you strike out.
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>>85083275

They all have rape fantasies.
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>>85086274
now THIS is a newfag
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>>85086298
Oh, who gives a good goddamn about that anymore? Jesus fucking Christ.
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>>85086298
I ironically blame gay Batman and Robin for shitty industry.
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>>85086229
Yeah no

Gay male Robin would not go over well with people who don't read comics
Even if you separated Nightwing from Batman for a few years a la New Teen Titans again and then made him bisexual, people would still be all "holy shit they made Robin gay lel not so ambiguously gay duo amirite"
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>>85086382
Why do you care so much what "casuals and normies" think?

Goddammit, I hate comic book fans.
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>>85086298
To think, Batman and Robin being gay wasn't technically what Wertham argued, it was only like four or five pages in the entire book, and all the "research" he did was awful and he misrepresented it all
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>>85086300
Not him, but this was a very faggy response.
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>>85086274
are you fucking retarded?
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>>85086434
Wouldn't really matter as far as comics go but it would kill merchandise sales on Robin stuff and probably hurt chances at certain adaptions. DC wouldn't want that headache.
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>>85086434
>fag don't read comics
>bbuuuuaahh why they just change canon for meeee
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>>85086434
>he thinks WB and DC don't care what normal people have to say

Nobody cares about the 200,000 comic fans that exist but rather everybody else, anon
It could very well be a poison on Batman brand and WB and DC wouldn't want that, so it'll never happen
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this nigga ripped SJWS a new one with logic last night and it was based
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>>85086326
>entirely shaped the modern comic industry
>lol so irrelevant
>>
Robins are for sexual.
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>>85083774
Bart was pretty undefined sexuality wise until his terrible Flash run we should ignore in the first place. I could easily see Bart being gay.
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>>85086484
>Nobody cares about the 200,000 comic fans that exist

I think that is a generous number I wouldn't be surprised if it was 1/2 that
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>>85086484
Why Fujoshits act like every comic book fan would like a retcon to the Dick or Jason's sexuality? You girls are a niche of a niche.
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>>85086527
Lobdell was SJW before SJWs learned what comics are.
>>85086540
Batman...
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>>85086588
Most of them don't even read comics fella.
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>>85086434
Anon, Didio and Johns had to tell a WB executive that Green Lantern being gay wasn't the end of the world, because Alan Scott wasn't the main lantern and wasn't even on main earth. There were a lot people who didn't know which Green Lantern was gay or that there were more than "the white one" and "the black one" so GL being a faggot was lambasted by people when it happened.

Robin is an even more famous character, though not particularly a "popular" one. People already joke about Robin, and Batman to a lesser extent, being gay, many of them not knowing there's more than one. Making any of the Robins gay in canon would poison the perception of the character even more, and would be a stain on the Batman brand. And literally nobody in DC and WB wants that.
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>>85086751
Most of the fans also don't want this shit.
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>>85086790
>thinking the fans have to do with how they make decisions on things

bless your heart
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>>85085888
>"I want to see (random diverse political identity) A-lister because this already politically diverse character isn't famous enough for me to get nerd points for tweeting about."

Shit like that is EXACTLY why Iceman got turned gay.
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>>85086878
What is Rebirth? Salesman make a difference.
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>>85087050
That was mostly what Johns wanted and we're lucky he's a fanboy. As new 52 shows, fans will buy any shit pushed as important.
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>>85087188
new 52 sales went down below marvel after like 3-4 months while didio already said with rebirth they're seeing unheard-of-for-DC sales in august
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>>85085526
BRIAN MICHAEL Bendis, that very bendis
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>>85086150
Bane? Classic
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>>85087017
It kills me. If broads and trannies and all these (casual-teir) peoples of color actually wanted to get into comics i'd be fine with a lot of these changes. But they don't. They want to have a geeky enough thing to garner retweets while also having some kind of identity politic card to play for even more retweets. all from fake accounts that they run themselves in the hopes of getting a tweet quoted in a the mary sue article.
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>>85081738
I'm literally shaking right now, has this scumbag been fired yet?
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>>85087663
>literally shaking
Why is he a scumbag?
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>>85086592
SJW was actually something completely different back then
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>>85087722
are you serious right now? if you cant see what he said was extremely wrong then i cant help you
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>>85087746
Of course. But you know what I mean. His teams have both colored and non-straight characters.
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>>85087753
Ironic shitposting is still shitposting.
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>>85087233
The sales stayed higher than pre-Flashpoint sales until Convergence.
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>>85087233
>after like 3-4 months
More like a year
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>>85081738
>Traducir del ingles
You have to go back.
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>>85088002
Likely is already not in the US dumbass.
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>>85084586
The dude being gay fulfills a lot of "purity" fantasies while still allowing them to imagine them as skilled at sex; think loli, schoolgirl kind of fantasy. Because he's never fucked a chick before, she gets to be his "first time".

They get to "fuck him straight" in the fantasy, thus feeding into an egoistic appraisal of the value of their sexual attributes; "he's never had a girl as good as me, that's why he's gay" kind of fantasy.

additionally, "two dicks > one" plays a role as well.
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>>85084308
When did Fanfiction.net get a voice? Fanfiction should stick to fucking Fanfiction.
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>>85084459
aff.org, pls.
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>>85086527
To be fair, no one should read those books
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>>85086012
>tfw "Downloads: 0"
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>>85087233
Nah, the sheer number of Batbooks their pushing will keep the market share higher than it was in the 52.
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>>85082246
>mfw RHATO is a guilty pleasure of mine
I mean, I know it's absolute garbage, but goddamn if I that wasn't one of my favorite nu52 books.
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>>85088227
new 52 had more bat books though?
>batman
>batman and robin
>detective comics
>batman the dark knight
>nightwing
>batgirl
>batwing
>batwoman
>red hood and the outlaws
>catwoman
>birds of prey

rebirth:
>batman x2
>detective comics x2
>nightwing x2
>batgirl
>batgirl and the birds of prey
>red hood and the outlaws
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>>85085541
This. Jason already represents a minority of people, fuck off SJWs
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>>85088321
You forgot Snyder's book, but that's only one more.
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>>85088170
>Fanfiction should stick to fucking Fanfiction

Capeshit is mostly fanfiction nowadays.
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>>85088422
Oh and I guess Harley's. That makes it one more book in Rebirth unless I forgot something else.

I guess he's not wrong.
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>>85088448
That's no excuse.
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>>85088448
No, it isn't. No matter how many times people retype that. If you get a check from the company you're not writing fan fiction.
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>>85088448
Only in the vaguest sense but when you get into editorial constraints and shit it's really not.
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>>85088464
Batman Beyond
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>>85088321
>>85088411
>>85088464
I worded it badly I guess, I was thinking more that the Rebirth line is mostly sure sales books a hell of a lot of which have at least one Bat character in.
>Super Sons
>Justice League
>Titans
>Teen Titans
Contrast that with the experimental books they had at reboot and 52Go or what ever it was called which critics liked but never really sold well.
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>>85088767
They're still doing weird books too, mostly contained to minis though. IIRC the only new 52 mini right away was The Ray.
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>>85081825
You know Gozer the Destroyer? Yeah its the modern form.
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>>85088825
Dial H and I Vampire were there at the start as well weren't they?
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>>85088448
Moment you get paid, it's not fanfiction.
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>>85081738

Alright Lobdell, you're forgiven for your Teen Titans run
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>>85088874
Both were ongoings. I, Vampire was at launch. Dial H was in the second wave with Earth-2 and some other shit.
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>>85088915
I love that gif.
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>>85083300

>That pan out
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I always wonder why Lobdell gets more work than Fabian Nicieza even though Nicieza was generally the better of the two X-writers post-Claremont.

I know Lobdell gets work at DC because he's buddies with Bob Harras, but that can't be the only reason (not all of Harras's old cronies get hired, just a lot of them).

I don't think he's a particularly good writer but I enjoy his obvious irritation with the way comics culture has developed since he started (and his obvious bitterness, in interviews, at being considered an uncool '90s relic).
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>>85088767
Some of those will be under Young Animal. And they're just staggering out the releases so that the big name books come first
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>>85088915
>you will never fugg a vintage blonde pornstar.
why live?
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>>85081738
Waiting for the Bendis reply, Bendis always replies to this shit with some saltness.
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>>85083288
Yeah that pissed me off, especially since in the original GA/GL run Dinah was the one who was there for Roy when Ollie abandoned him and was like a mother figure to Roy.

It's really uncalled for.
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>>85089195
Even if you ignore what happened before New 52, she was cunt for no reason.
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>>85086012
Not the anon you uploaded for, but thank you! I've been wanting to read Impulse, I keep hearing about how cute Bart is and I feel like I've been missing out.
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>>85088767
They're putting every experimental book under Young animal, so they may have a longer run.
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>>85081858
His bants are entertaining. Now if he could just get that entertainment into his books properly.
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>>85081858
I like generation x
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I don’t like Lobdell's writing but he has a point and he is dealing with so many retards.
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>>85089127
Nicieza was at DC during pre-FP and the early part of New 52. He had a different job offer some time in the early part of the New 52 and left.
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>>85089440
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>>85089440
>>85089512
>Jason Todd is Mexican
>wanting a character with no defined race

Is kind of amazing how fast that dude contradict himself during his tantrum
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>>85089496
And he Cameback For Convergence.
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>>85081858
he's less bad than Bendis and people liked Age of Apocalypse
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Can someone explain to me why they think Jason Todd is Mexican and bi?

???
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>>85089677
Because Tumblr is filled with retards
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>>85089677
Because ...........................
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>>85089677
A lot of women who like him are Fujoshits and suffer from white guilt so they feel better admiring a male that's not white so they push him as Mexican because there's a fuckton of Hispanics in the US like holy shit.
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>>85089677
tumblr headcannon
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>>85089754
>>85089793
Was there ever a time they wanted him to be black I wonder?
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>>85089677
They don't think he is but they want him to be.

It’s stupid it's like when Kyle got retconned to having a Mexican dad but since he never knew his dad and there are Spanish looking white Mexicans and Kyle wasn't raised by him so it didn't really matter.

But then in Omega Men King had him pray in Spanish and suddenly he was Catholic that shit was really weird.
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>>85089677
They want him to be a minority but not too brown and they also want their fan fiction to be canon.
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>>85089826
nah, Duke should have satiated them.

or maybe they actually remember Batwing existing
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>>85089677
They don't think he is but want him to be because headcanons and dicks touching
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>>85083773
Fuck , this, why did he made everybody uguu at some point? It was amazing when the style was similar to his late shade the changing man
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>>85082738
As much as he went too far, I at least appreciated Morrison remembering that lazarus pits are supposed to put a fucking stripe in your hair. Even when Jim Lee had Clayface petending to be Jason in Hush, he got that detail right...and then nobody since then. The fuck is that?
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>>85089826
Wouldn't be surprised if one of them deluded themselves into thinking he is black.

Sam Alexander in the comics is pale white and has blue eyes and he has been that way since day one and tumblrinas insist that he has dark skin and one of them was happy that the Champions cover gave him dark skin even though he has like tan white skin at the most, it's hilarious.
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>>85082975
>He spent way too much time in his Batman run writing about the CONCEPT of Batman than Batman himself

To be fair, it did suit that specific storyline. When someone new is stepping into the role of Batman, that's a good time to explore what exactly the concept of 'The Batman' can mean.
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>A Lobdell thread where everyone is praising him
Seriously, what the fuck happened since Rebirth?
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>>85089920
Did Clayface even reveal how fake Jason got resurrected?
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>>85083720
Does Jason NEED a love interest? He's like the Punisher, he's married to killing criminals.
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>>85089977
he wrote one good comic issue
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>>85082738
Wait, when was Jason Blood a Robin?
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>>85085470
Nah m8, it's a garbage filler run, lobdell is better, nicieza is better, even lemire's better
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>>85090036
no Corrigan was Robin, keep up senpai

seriously that hairstyle should be less common than it is in comics
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>>85089920
Probably because if they're going to use the pits as a plot device to bring back whoever they most recently killed off for shock value they can't let it have a lasting physical effect. Now a writer can do an arc where Bruce takes a dip without having to explain why he doesn't have the white in his hair. It's just more convenient for them.
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>>85089977
He wrote a couple cute scenes in RHATO's first issue

Also he said something /co/ agrees with
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>>85090050
I don't think you read the post correctly.
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>>85089980
I don't Clayface even knew how he came back. Just remember that retcon was when Superboy Dimension punches were the cause.
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>>85089977
/co/ is like reverse tsundere for Lobdell. They start a run liking him, and then hate him. When RHatO started it was liked, in part because Rocafort and tumblr hating it. His Superman run was affectionately described as "like Dragonball Z," before people flipped around and decided that was a bad thing. Doomed was called one of the most unexpectedly great books DC was publishing at the time. His second run on RHatO was welcomed after the two disasters that came since he first left. RH/A was praised as fun bro adventures with amazing Silver Age style villains like evil mimes and the sentient embodiment of intercity crime.
This is just another example.
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>>85090516
His Convergence BB was great. Weird.
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>>85090516
I think technically Doomed got cancelled before we could hate it. It was safe fun though and didn't shit over characters anyone cared about.
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>>85089977
He isn't writing Teen Titans or Starfire anymore.
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>>85081738

Kek
This tweet is the best thing Lobdell has ever written.
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>>85085030
>But 97% of the population is straight. Its like presuming that a person that you only talked on phone is a midget just because you never saw them in front of you and nothing contradict it.
By this right, Mr. Mind being a caterpillar was a terrible retcon that should never have existed.
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>>85089977
He said something that can be construed as anti-SJW, so now he's one of The Gods and must be worshiped.
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>>85081858
Generation X was great.
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>>85089977
Did you not read the OP?

He said something we agree with.

That means he's a great writer.
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>>85090516
I don't think his Superman was the worst thing ever, it was just so bizarre to see a Superman run written exactly like a '90s X-Men comic, complete with thought balloons and Claremont-style captions.

Lobdell has claimed in interviews that editorial asked him to write that way. I'm not completely sure I buy that editors would have asked him to write in a style no one else at the company was using, but whatever, Berganza and Harras do seem to have a soft spot for that style.

Anyway Lobdell is not the world's worst writer, he just seems to be the kind of guy who will do whatever the editors ask, which is how he got on X-Men in the first place.
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>>85081858
Lobdell has his strenghts and weaknesses. IIRC he was a comedian before getting into his comics and his strongest stuff has always been "downtime" issues focused on character interaction over big superhero stuff. It's why GenX is his best work.
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>>85082037
Okay, 90 pound white girl.
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>>85082270
Starfire has been a shit sandwich ever since the beginning of the nu52. Her solo didn't help matters.
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>>85090979
>90 pound white girl
>white girl
>white
U wot, m8?
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>>85091073
Some people loudly demanded Toonfire so they gave them Toonfire, and it turns out the number of people who want Toonfire isn't enough to sustain an ongoing.
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>>85091153
Starfire was one of the best selling DCYou books though, in floppies and trade
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>>85087456
we did it reddit XD
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>>85091153
>>85091177
I think it would have done better if it was launched at a different time. Like maybe settling in around the high 20ks instead of the low ones. It did alright though.
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It wouldn't be, since there's a lack of one and not the other. It's frustrating when you have to explain the most basic concepts of punch up and punch down over and over but no nonsense conservative-leaning sorts(and some ditzy liberals) act like they're more educated and enlightened.

Of course people are congratulating him for being Edgy and Outspoken, even if he's making a false equivalence.
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>>85091177
After the first six issues, the sales sank like a stone to the point where the final few were at the cancellation threshold.
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>>85084308

What are people supposed to do when they get next to no representation? And even when there is Word of God like with Harley/Ivy people still come up with reasons to shut it down.

You really can't win. All the griping about SJWs and apparently now Bendis is a pretty thin veil for pretty old school homophobia, racism etc. On some level I can appreciate when /pol/ is at least honest about it's awfulness, instead of trying to dress it up in bullshit.
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>>85091263
>I want to sacrifice character A qualities so they have B qualities.
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>>85081738
They should just give Jason his red hair even in Robin uniform
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>>85091143
She looks 80-90% white, if anything's objectionable it's the 90 pound part. She has sausage fingers.
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>>85083963
I actually like how her redemption arc has a pretty dark end with her shooting her sister after her sister killed Synch. She wasn't evil but wasn't going to let anything happen to her kids ever again. That's something that was really de-emphasized with Emma after M-Day: her protective tendencies over her students.
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>>85091311
How about you stop reading stories because of how much you look like a character and start reading because how good the stories are you freak.
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The problem with the argument against "making" characters gay or bi is that most of the characters we read about nowadays by and large were created and had their defining arcs written underneath the comics code, which was an actual tangible form of oppression not Feminists Ruining Muh Comikkus. It's very hard to get entirely new characters off the ground, so they don't have much room.

It also ignores the fact that there were likely characters intended to be gay or bi or trans from inception but couldn't be due to the comics code, or would have been if convention didn't rule it out as an option that the writer would consider.

People are happy to maintain a status quo where we keep writing about characters that are straight, mostly white, etc. and they can argue that they're not homophobic and just hate "SJWs" ruining their shit but the fact is that they're working really hard to defend what is essentially an aggressively homophobic status quo from the 50s.
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>>85091263
His point is just that he does not see social good in subtracting from one group to add to another when you can just create a different character instead (and he has). But some people can't look past the scoreboard way of thinking. They ultimately want to "win" by being able to claim the biggest and best character as "theirs" (and even outside of diversity arguments this is true).
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>>85091374

This is a really shit argument and a red herring, because I am capable of caring about both things. Quite possibly you don't consider yourself homophobic, but your position on this is "nobody, under any circumstances, should question the status quo or ask for more representation for lgbt characters and should not even entertain such thoughts" which is a really extremist stance to take. But people never actually think about this shit rationally.
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>>85091311
>
>What are people supposed to do when they get next to no representation? And even when there is Word of God like with Harley/Ivy people still come up with reasons to shut it down.
>This shit again

For fucks sake!. It was Palmiotti's word, not DiDio, Lee or Johns word
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>>85091311
>for pretty old school homophobia, racism etc.

Hello Tumblr.
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>>85091438

But again, it doesn't work like that. The majority of characters you have running around in comics are quite old so you don't have a lot of room to make new characters, and they rarely take off. When people ask for that, they're telling people to be happy with minor characters that get introduced and then shoved aside after a few years so they can focus on their precious straights without much worry. Which is, again, actually an extremely homophobic stance but people don't really think these arguments through on a deeper level of what you actually end up with.
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>>85082547
The Titans book has a scene with Roy and Donna cracking down on drug dealers and he talks about it.
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>>85091452
Every time Marvel or DC makes a new character that's like that you all ignore it. You don't want new characters to represent the LGTB community. You want already established characters in the boiling pot to feel good.
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>>85091452
The problem is when LGBT characters ARE made, people don't pay attention to them. Like how Bunker has no fanbase, and the fact that Midnighter had low sales when he had a comic out, people only want LGBT representation when it's characters they personally prefer.
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>>85091459

See what I mean?

It was said using DC comics' twitter account. That puts weight behind it and if it wasn't intended to be canon. Given how it was picked up DC would have made SOME official indication if it wasn't meant to be so.

The problem with /co/ nowadays is that they want to make all "diverse" fans fucking miserable, take/block all representation and bully them out of the hobby while pretending they haven't gone full /pol/

What's worse is this is the board that came up with Motion, but everyone's forgotten that now because they're too busy being reprehensible little shits and blaming their failure on tumblr/feminists like the rest of the smelly geek internet.
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>>85091307
That's when most books stopped having variants and rebirth was announced, and most sales dropped like a rock with rebirth announcements
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>>85091311
Dude, if they want to make Jason bi fine, if they want to write fanfic where he spit roasts his entire male family with Alfred more power to them. But looking through a series of random comic panels, and thinking it's proof he likes guys, rather than just trolling villains is essentially headcanon.
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>>85091365
10% not white, is not white.
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>>85091544
>and the fact that Midnighter had low sales

Speaking of which, people on social media are NOW just jumping on the DCYou love train, and complaining why the books didn't last. Like fucking clockwork.
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>>85091566
I bet you think when writers talk at cons under DC booth it's DiDio word what you hear and not the writers word. Same case here
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>>85091608
Only the Sith deal with absolutes.
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>>85091609
It's fucking annoying, it just proves that people pushing for diversity don't actually read diverse comics.
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>>85091492

Yep, tumblr invented those concepts and the idea of treating gay or non-white people like shit and causing a huge fuss any time they get any vaguely positive role model to claim is ridiculous.

>>85091534

We don't "ignore" it. It's that it's nearly impossible for mainstream characters to get traction and they're often not written either by the best, or most appropriate writers. You can't blame lack of sales solely on us. I would say victim blaming but hurr durr tumblr. The point is that you're passing the buck back onto the group that's getting fucked over on the first place. The other problem is that new characters don't have much of a stake in existing mythology, and DC & Marvel are all about that. That's why it's much more compelling to imagine if Steve Rogers is really Bi, or if Wonder Woman is a ladykiller. Because the characters actually fucking matter in the grand scheme of things. People don't invest in obvious side characters or tokens that are never going to amount to much.

People ARE saying what sorts of queer characters they would like to see and you're ignoring them or telling them you can't make straight characters queer, when you were perfectly happy for the comics code to make queer characters straight, or for them to leave the lesbians out of GotG, kill off the bi characters in AoS without even mentioning, etc. etc. at the root of this isn't really a desire for purity to the original material so much as a desire to defend some kind of shit boys club.
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>>85091496
No, you're missing the actual issue. There is plenty of room to make new characters and they do it all the time. They don't have to be minor characters either. The problem is that readers do not support them until they've been around 30+ years (and sometimes not even then) and that's why they becomes underused. It's purely because of money.

The solution of course is legacy heroes but not the way that Marvel is doing it by pushing them all at once because the market is clearly fatigued at this point by their "THE NEW X IS A Y, PLEASE PRAISE US FOR GIVING A HERO TO YOU POOR MINORITIES" marketing tactics especially when the books are mostly mediocre outside of Kamala and Chulk.
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>>85081738
Okay, I can't stand Lobdell's writing, but this made me laugh.
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>>85091692
>>85091609

How convenient that the problems the gays face are solely the fault of the gays, and there's nothing else going on here and you never have to change your way of thinking.

If there's clearly a market there and they're not capturing that, they need to look at why that is. Your argument is just an even shitter version of the "Fake geek girl" thing.
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>>85091702
>Yep, tumblr invented those concepts

Did I say that, you retard? Maybe if you didn't label everything you disapprove of as racism or homophobia or whatever, people might be more inclined to listen to you. But no, you'll keep doing it, and wondering why no one takes you seriously.
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>>85091609
They were too busy side eyeing dc due to them fucking up before, but they apparently didn't realize that once a book flops just a few issues in and the trade doesn't sell within the first couple months, then it's usually done for
Especially when it's a third of the books that's flopping

Then it ends up with supporting a title when there's just two issues left and you start begging for more and whine when you don't get it
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>>85091757
Mate, I'm not blaming the gays, I'm blaming the tumblr fangirls who pretend they speak for the gays. Notice how all the people tweeting Lobdell were female, not bisexual Mexican males.
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>>85090899
>you can't like a person opinion without liking his works

Only little bitches like you think that way. Are you 12 faggot?

Liefield for example is an abomination in comics and a bro in real life.
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>>85091709

The problem with Marvel's diversity push though is that, as you point out, it's somewhat disingenuous. While Ms. Marvel has generally been good enough that even /co/ concedes it's decent that doesn't mean that new characters(and keep in mind her legacy is still somewhat tied to the old Ms. Marvel and the Inhumans) it doesn't prove that /co/ will accept "diverse" characters if done "well", more there's a narrow band of what they will lap up(and cute brown girls has always been a thing).

Perlmutter has been quite aggressively anti-diversity and anti-woman when it comes to aspects of the Marvel Cinematic Universe and we're still feeling that. It's hard to believe that a CEO who donates to Trump would be all that invested in it, and ultimately Marvel are still a corporation(and owned by Disney). So it's not that pushing for more diverse characters was a bad idea, it's just that they're coming from quite a half assed place and doing it more for publicity than actually reaching out to new demographics in a tangible way.

But of course people don't want actual explanations, they just want to blame minorities for all their problems.
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>>85091757
>If there's clearly a market there
There's not. A few thousand people whining on tumblr/twitter is not a market.
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>>85082140
>I don't know about the Latino bit he grew up in a slum and stole for awhile, you think they'd be against the stereotype.
Its okay when you are shown overcoming it. Like writing a nigga coming out of the hood into a productive member of society.
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>>85091878
>Liefeld is a bro meme
Didn't he dick over a bunch of business partners, embezzle some cash, and in general is kind of a dick?
Just because he has a goofy smile and seems to really enjoy drawing poorly doesn't mean he's a bro.
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>>85091805
Except I actually explained why it WAS homophobia. There's definitely a kickback against calling anything homophobic nowadays, and there's always some other explanation.

But fuck it, if people have this much of a shit attitude towards people wanting characters created and written under the comics code to be gay, for LGBT youth to see themselves in their favourite characters just because of a few tumblr fujoshi(supposedly) who are probably also queer, then yeah that's sort of homophobic. You don't have to agree with the change but this sort of lashback is telling.
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>>85091395
>It also ignores the fact that there were likely characters intended to be gay or bi or trans from inception but couldn't be due to the comics code

Like? Why is tumblr so deluded?
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>>85091882
>But of course people don't want actual explanations, they just want to blame minorities for all their problems.

You seem to be doing enough blaming for us.
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>>85091882
>it doesn't prove that /co/ will accept "diverse" characters if done "well",

I think /co/ (we are like 500 regular posters who don't control the market at large) is not really the problem here. Because it does support those that have been done well. There are always some NOT MUHs but most people tend to like the Runaways characters, Jaime Reyes, Damian Wayne, etc. Pretty much anything in the pre-2010 age. Honestly /co/ probably pushes for more experimentation than other big 2 heavy comics places in general. Not just in character backgrounds but stylistically as well.

And I don't really care about the MCU. We're talking about comics and honestly that's an entirely different discussion because, to me at least, those sorts of movies and shit exist as Elseworlds where the point is to do something different. So race, sexuality, whatever can be changed without really bothering me. It's more about the execution of the general concept of things.
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>>85091941
I feel pretty confident in saying that the Comics Code wasn't responsible for the lack of gays in comics and it was more the fact that most heterosexual men have no interest in writing or reading about gay people. Lack of interest is not homophobia.
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>>85089677

Dude, this is motherfucking tumblr. They're retarded and desperate for minorities to be represented in more fictional works.


I often have to wonder, do they even know that Bollywood exists? That white people are underrepresented in India's Bollywood?
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>>85092516
they probably think it would be cultural appropriation for them to watch Bollywood stuff
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>>85092568
Poor Brendan Fraser as if his life doesn't suck enough he'll now have SJW chasing him for stealing Indian roles.
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>>85081780
>generic as looking characters
Yeah fucking Vanilla right what a boring flavour!
If you don't like white things don't read them. Bitching to have them changed is fucking pathetic.
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>>85092516
what does bollywood gotta do with it
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>>85091882
>But of course people don't want actual explanations, they just want to blame minorities for all their problems.

Kinda like how when people tell you "they're not doing LGBT/POC characters so much because every time they try it the comics are huge fucking flops" you don't want to hear it and go back to blaming everything on racism and homophobia
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>>85082037
>>85081965
>you got me there. In my defense I tried to read rhato but I hate when my fave characters are written ooc
This bitch...
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>>85082037
Jesus, this woman needs a fucking life. She literally shot down anyone (especially POCs) who called her out on her obsessive bitching as "Um, who are you and why should I care? I didn't ask for your opinion."
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>>85093255
Oh... she's one of those idiots that only ever saw the Teen Titans cartoon and expected that version of Starfire.
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>>85091966
Because that's the only argument they have half the time.
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>>85091917
Jason didn't so much "overcome", as he did get lucky and got adopted by a rich white father figure. Making him a minority is less hardworking black man escapes the hood, than it is him being like one of those orphans that Jolie or Madonna catch with nets.
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>>85090967
This. It's why it's so damn baffling that he insists on doing the same over the top, big deal bullshit he's been doing since he birthed Onslaught into existence.
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>>85093488
RHATO Starfire wasn't in line with how comics Starfire was before either.
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>>85093255
>>85093488
To be fair she's not completely wrong, RHatO did completely shift the characters of everyone involved mostly because it was basically a new universe.
>>85094046
>Jolie and Pitt adopt Jason Todd
We're missing the more interesting story here.
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>>85091200
>jokes are bad because reddit likes jokes
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>>85093488
Roy and Starfire were not like how they were before the reboot.

The only good things Roy had were his arm and lack of dead child.
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>>85094093
But at that point she was still capable of being written back in line with how pre-nu52 Starfire was. But now she's just a step above being a drooling retard, thanks to her solo. Unless Teen Titans disregards all that.
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>>85081738
man when did Lobdell became based?
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>>85094148
>We're missing the more interesting story here.
My guess? He turns out angrier and more trigger happy than he did with Bruce.
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>>85094268
>Unless Teen Titans disregards all that.

It most certainly will. She's clearly the mom of that team.
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>>85089835
>suddenly he was Catholic

He's always been catholic. Marz made very small references to it. He was initially Irish Catholic, but still - that wasn't out of the blue.
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>>85089835
Well, him being Catholic isn't that weird, because Irish Mom.

Suddenly like, devout. And Spanish Catholic? That was weird.
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>>85094825
I don't know about devout, it doesn't seem odd to me that someone raised catholic would want to recite a few prayers in a situation that fucked up.
But there was no reason for him to be praying in Spanish.
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>>85092634
JUST FUCK MY POO UP
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>>85095092
>But there was no reason for him to be praying in Spanish.
king is a sjw, that's the reason
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>>85091882
>it doesn't prove that /co/ will accept "diverse" characters if done "well", more there's a narrow band of what they will lap up(and cute brown girls has always been a thing).
And yet almost all good "diverse" books are quite popular on /co/. Chulk, Cap Falcon, Ewing's teams and Midnighter are among the best received current/just finished books.
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>>85094287
since he got into comics?
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>>85089835
Kyle was always half-Hispanic and searched for his dad with Conner Hawke, did it specify he was Mexican in Omega Men?
There was references to Catholicism in one of the GL annuals, where Kyle goes into a painting I think.
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>>85081738
Fucking rekt
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>>85096128
My guess is King just mixed it up and thought the mom was the Latin one
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>>85095952
And New Super-Man.
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>>85082037
is feminism really just all about whining and picking fights they can never win?
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>>85097684
that shit was fucking glorious
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They've been doing this for years now, why can't any writer just flat out say "no, the character is white, because white people exist."?
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>>85098316
>because white people exist
That right there is the problem.
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>>85094268
you mixed those two up
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>>85090516
And now, he's written a semi-readable Rebirth issue, and suddenly everyone's on his dick again
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>>85098316
How do you not understand that this is exactly why people want to see themselves represented in media?
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Is /co/ really acting like Jason Todd would be ruined by this? This is Jason Todd, people, no one has given a shit about him for the past 5 years.
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>>85098810
it's almost funny
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>>85098810
They're already represented. In fact, thanks to that that representation, most Americans think there are far more black and gay people in the US than there really are.
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>>85098828
Are you really acting like he'd be improved by this?
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>>85098920
Yeah, and white people are also already represented, and thanks to that, Americans still think that they don't know any lgbt people personally, which is ridiculous even if you wanna go with the b.s. 10% statistic. That's still one out of ten
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>>85097684
and Prez
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>>85098828
He's probably sold more than your favorite character, faggot
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>>85099045
To be fair they could just not know they know any gays or lesbians. Or maybe they just have a small social circle.
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>>85099045
>Americans still think that they don't know any lgbt people personally, which is ridiculous even if you wanna go with the b.s. 10% statistic.
The number of lgbt in the US is actually closer to 3%, so yeah it's entirely possible for a lot of people to not know any. Native Americans make up 2% of the US, I don't know any.
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>>85099383
Sounds like a "fellow kids" moment
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>>85081738
He's still a shit writer, but I kinda like him as a person now.
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>>85098828
No one actually cares about Jason, we like making fun of dumb fans though. Like Dark Tzitzimine and Desh.
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>>85099857
In that case, we should want Jason to take cock at every turn, just for DT reactions.
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>>85082132
He did something as bad as this with Cass and her relationship with Conner???
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>>85097760
Now?
Yes
Ideally?
Not nearly as much, but kinda.
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>>85082037
Ooh, look everyone!
Crickey, it's a female neckbeard, only recently discovered in the last decade, and she's a big one!
Let's go 'ave a closer look at 'er, see what she's postin about...
Seems to be on about race and sexuality, a favourite for these beaut's...
WHOA, CRICKEY, LOOK AT THAT PASSIVE AGGRESSIVE CONTENTION!
Aw, she is not happy with our calm greeting at all, listen to its call, that shrill scream is its distinctive calling card, aw what a beauty! Almost got me with that edge, girly-WHOA she does not like that name!
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>>85082339
Or just don't change him because one rando on twitter demands it.
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>>85082398
Oh god you're from Young Justice aren't you.

Bart Allen's been straight since the 90s man that's just Weismann's fujoing the most feminine looking man he could find.
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>>85090516
Lobdell's problem is that he's got good ideas and can write good character stuff so the start of his books is always enjoyable. I get the impression he doesn't plan anything however and just kind of writes as he goes which, after a while, means he starts losing steam and that's when his work becomes bad.
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>>85091242
No, the concept (something appealing mainly to social media idiots whining) did not appeal to more than a small niche of fans. It's how it always is for these types of books, look how terribly Squirrel Girl and Hellcat do.

Gwenpool and Ms. Marvel which are written less-nichey and more for a broader appeal are,in comparison, selling much better.
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>>85101548
>I get the impression he doesn't plan anything however and just kind of writes as he goes

He's literally stated as such.
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>>85091395
Most of these characters were not intended to be bi or gay you fucking dolt. Northstar is a character that Byrne created intended him to be gay so Lobdell making it official is fine. I'm a bit iffier on Shatterstar because Liefeld created him with the intention of being asexual and not caring about romance, but Lobdell very clearly wrote him as bi with Rictor so I guess there's no problem even if the more popular version went against the original interpretation but making him bi at least had history. Same if someone did a Legion book with Lightning Lass and Shrinking Violet being dykes.

The Iceman situation, though, is a classic case of Bendis deciding he wanted a role and then shoving a character into that role regardless of how much sense it actually made, something he does all the time.
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>>85101773
And when I say Lobdell in relation to Shatterstar I mean Jeph Loeb.

The only time where you can really argue a character being revealed to be bisexual is any woman Claremont has ever written given how overt and unsubtle those overtones were even back in the '80s. So if Storm shows up in a relationship with a woman or some writer decides to hook up Kitty and Rachel, then that's fine.

Actually the funny thing about Kitty is that Claremont himself was setting up the pairing of her and Karma in Mechanix and it was dropped in New Mutants v2 because the writers thought/realized they'd get a lot of shit from Kitty's fans (i.e. waifufags).
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>>85090082
I guess blame Grendel v1 omni for the hairstyle being so prominent.

>that book is amazing.
>fucking hated the rest.
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>>85100888
>Oh god you're from Young Justice aren't you.
M8 no. And I realize Bart's only ever been in hetshit relationships (Carol, Cassie, and now Solstice). But I mean, as I wrote in >>85083236, he does some questionable things, which, again, could just mean he's very comfortable with his sexuality. But still, the idea of Bart with another cute boy is just too cute for me. As in, I'm mainly joking about the "not making Bart gay" thing, but I wouldn't mind if DC does give him a boyfriend.
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>>85082975
I think it suited Todd as an antagonist. Instead of wanting to kill or humiliate Batman, he wants to replace Batman.
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>>85083437
man it sounds like YOU think roy's better because he got some super science dots.
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>>85083963
oh boy another female villain who's redeemed through maternal instincts but still flirts with being a bitch to turn on the femdom fans.

Who even fucking cares anymore.
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>>85094821
>>85094825
>>85096128
Meant Spanish Catholic
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>>85088868
>CHOOSE! CHOOSE THE FORM OF THE DESTRUCTOR!
>giant BMB walking down the street
>"Sorry... it just 'popped' in there..."
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>>85100109

He did.
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>>85092650
they asked he declined you don't have to get triggered because not everyone like white boy pussy
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>>85100092
Killing Joke Batgirl was basically Jason Todd in a red wig
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>>85082037
But Tim Drake should obviously be the gay one.
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>>85091311
"If you disagree with me you're homophobic!"

Every. Fucking. Time.

No, I do not think you do not have a right to exist, or do not deserve the same rights as every other citizen of this republic or wherever you happen to live. I just think its skeezy that you want to make a character who is neither Latino or bisexual both because "it'd be so smexy and its about time you know!" when a gay Latin man was JUST introduced and you could be promoting him instead.

He's RIGHT THERE. Take some of that energy and PUSH him, I'd love to see more Bunker stories.
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>>85091496
But he did make a new character! That lots of people liked! And could keep being used if you show support and buy issues with him and make noise on twitter and otherwise push him!

You don't get to call me a fucking bigot because you want your fucking turning fantasy indulged and to be patted on the head and called a social crusader for it.
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>>85103514
nobody cares about bunker and nobody ever will

barely anybody cares about midnighter and he's the highest profile gay guy dc has
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>>85081989
To some extent I'd admire the moxie of somebody who just flat-out stated that they made a character change just so they could get a bigger boner/ladyboner.
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>>85091702
So its straight up scoreboard thinking. You want the big names without having to spend fifty years MAKING them a big name and fuck straight people, we're all breeders anyway. That about right?.
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>>85082116
Being Basque makes you hispanic, not latino.
Then again Tumblr is more racist than /pol/
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>>85103868
>That time people on tumblr thought Disney was whitewashing the indigenous Danish people in Frozen or whatever
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It's about ethics and representation in masturbation.
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>>85103356
How? What he did?
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