JSA Storytime: JLI

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>>85034497

>>85034497
Hello Storyteller.

>let's see how far we get into this
Tired?

Also, just putting this out there, but I have rather serious doubts anyone on /co/ has actually seen or cares about The Rocketeer. Just saying.

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>>85034529
I don't think you'd get away with this today, but it's all done with a light ironic touch, which helps

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>>85034543
yeah, tired and achy and cranky, and this is long

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>>85034560

though >>85031744 isn't even 10 stores, it does make me wish cw2 is failing everywhere else

>>85034545
Kind of like the racism in Rising Damp.

>>85034545
>I don't think you'd get away with this today, but it's all done with a light ironic touch, which helps
Eh, they are discussing ways to avoid being exploited, so I doubt this would raise any stink.

>>85034560
>yeah, tired and achy and cranky, and this is long
>cranky
I thought that was my thing.

>>85034670
Convergence 2.0

>>85034670
It feels like the six stores Rich talks to are the exceptions, the main CWII book sounds like it's selling well for the most part

maybe the sell through in general hasn't been so hot? but even still I don't expect sales to dip much since shops know they'll probably sell out of the bins

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>>85034637

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>>85034670
I'm also seeing Twitter falling over itself to spin "Middy's doing well in trades" into "This proves DCYou was an immense success that they killed early because they hate progressiveness"

>>85034740

goddammit, MIDNIGHTER'S GETTING ANOTHER MINI! like that's maybe the best out of everyone in dcyou.

>>85034543
With that I agree with Busiek, stop calling sequels reboots.

>>85034740
lol, how do they rationalize away the sales figures? Just 'the industry shouldn't work like that anymore'?

>>85034765

best result that is. i did love it tho.

need to get that vertigo book of orlandos

>>85034768
What about the Reboot reboot?

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>>85034780
"Clearly the trade sales are so huge that they should have kept the failing ongoings on so they'd make more trades"

IDK, it's Wheeler logic, it ignores fiscal reality as usual, and it also raises the question of "so how are the other trades doing"

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>>85034816

>>85034543

i've seen it and totally Did Not Get It (except John Locke as Howard Huges) but I'm so on board with the pitch for the new one.

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>>85034834

>>85034787
I can take or leave Cyborg Superman (but Cyborg Superdad is a +) but I'm actually really looking forward to Orlando's Supergirl Rebirth. And I'm there erryday for "Lar-On, Kryptonian Werewolf"

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>>85034859

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>>85034874

>>85034816
relaunching them as sequels would give more #1 money though

>it also raises the question of "so how are the other trades doing"
if it gets a sequel I'm guessing it did okay
Midnighter must've done better than the rest for it to be singled out
Didio said at SDCC that poison ivy's trades need to do good for a chance at another book since she did just okay in floppies

>>85034768
Wait, this is a sequel, thus making it a legacy thing? That makes it even less of an issue.

>some black chick sees the exploits of pulp hero
>"That's cool. Imma do that!"
>/co/ REEEEEEEES
And again, why is anyone raising a stink about this? No offense to any legitimate fans, but The Rocketeer is the classic pulp thing that people barely remembers exists. Come on.

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>>85034884
>>85034914
oh, the League's gonna fuss over that, they already think they were promised an ongoing

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>>85034924

>>85034916

yeah OG Rocketeer is missing and she goes to find him and it's the 50s so race against Commies!

>>85034924

comics fandom is a mistake. i know it's better there isn't one but how does freaking Ivy have a league and not My Favorite Team legion

>>85034916
It's weirdly revisionist, given the time period.

>>85034816
Maybe they can do a Midnighter coffeeshop AU where Midnighter brutally kills and hardcore fucks different people in coffeeshops each issue.

>>85034916
I literally made this point in a thread once. I used the archive to point out there hasnt been a thread in almost a year.

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>>85034983
never forget

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>>85034976

>>85035009

He can be fighting gentrification by blowing up the Starbucks later!

>>85035043

based Wall

>>85034983
The Ivy thing is weird. There's people that'll stan real hard for Ivy, like even on this board there's the one anon who's there for any true love Harley/Ivy stuff regardless of the context.

It's in the same space as the Batgirl stuff I guess. There's an incarnation of the character that doesn't line up all that much with the history, but people want it real bad.

>>85035043
why is waller so based

>>85035093
She's the biggest, baddest bitch in DC.

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>>85035044

>>85034983
>yeah OG Rocketeer is missing and she goes to find him and it's the 50s so race against Commies!
That sounds neat, actually. Sounds like a recipe for a team up at the end.

>>85034990
Yes, we wouldn't want any historical innacuracy in a story about a guy who uses a jetpack to fight Soviet super science. A black chick doing that would be ridiculous.

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>>85035152
>>85035009
I'd read that

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>>85035191
>Maybe they can do a Midnighter coffeeshop AU where Midnighter brutally kills and hardcore fucks different people in coffeeshops each issue.

>>85035186
I saw another very well-intentioned but totally again missing the mark article on Great Wall today

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>>85035240
>missed opportunity for Mrs. Gradenko

>>85034740
I like how the trade sales of one book suddenly equals the trade sales of like 20 books

Didio even said the trade doing well when the floppies didn't is anomalous, why on earth would a bunch of books that sold like shit be popular as trades

I would love Omega Men's trades to do really well but I'm not holding my breath

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>>85035265
IN SOVIET RUSSIA, BATHROOM...

>>85035291
Just pray the Batbump will help, Vision's first trade did well

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>>85035303

>>85035315
Vision was also recently in a movie

>>85035240
The Great Wall just seems like it's gonna be like that Keanu Reeves fights Japanese demons movie. What put it on everyone's radar?

Until they announce there's like a separate cut for China and the US and I don't understand how everyone can be talking over the fact it's also Chinese production.

>>85035291
Omega Men might do well if they advertise it as "the GUY who is WRITING BATMAN also wrote THIS BOOK too"

Even if it does meh in trades I can believe it getting a sequel if they think Batman will help those floppy numbers desu

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>>85035326

>>85034740
Great, NOW they care about DCYou. Where was all this Twitter uproar when it was actually coming out and selling like hot garbage?

>>85035186
>Yes, we wouldn't want any historical innacuracy in a story about a guy who uses a jetpack to fight Soviet super science. A black chick doing that would be ridiculous.
Fiction doesn't mean writing whatever you want, there's willing suspensions of disbelief to deal with.

>>85035303
Damn Flash, way to wimp out.

>>85035351
I didn't see the word "Batman" anywhere on that trade dress

Omega Men is doomed

>>85035009
Speaking of kinky as fuck, it looks like cranky it trolling another thread.
I won't say which thread, but it's obvious if you check the catalogue.

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>>85035349
general sensitivity about perceived "whitewashing" has gone up especially since the GitS thing, but this isn't whitewashing, even if it might be Mighty Whitey, but the nitty-gritty of what a "co-production with China" means has been completely omitted from most angry reactions, as has the distinction between what a mainland and what a diaspora audience dig

>>85035373
I guarantee you at least 90% of them were still nay-saying DC in general at the time so they probably didn't bother reading it when it was coming out in floppies

>>85035391
Obviously it'll be a sticker that leaves shitty residue on the cover.

>>85035373
too busy side eyeing dc for previous fuck ups probably

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>>85035425

>>85035375
Anon, if you're believing in Cold War jetpacks, a black woman using it shouldn't be too much.

>>85035433
The sticker residue represents the indelible stain of Kyle's sins.

>>85035038
Hell, if this wasn't Disney, they could even play it up a little.
>OG Rocket: "Say! Not bad for a colored gal!"
>Nu Rocket: "... Yeah. Thanks."

But again, Disney. I'm still so disappointed by Princess and the Frog. No balls.

>>85035240
>I saw another very well-intentioned but totally again missing the mark article on Great Wall today
Do tell.

>>85035373
Not even that, the first trades came out months ago and could've used more support, and we're like 1-2 months away from the second trades being out

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>>85035373
at least one angry person was all in for DCYou too, to be fair, but that doesn't mean that much

>>85035419
Please link

>>85035467
There's 50s "super science" and then there's "2010s values in the 50s." The latter is going to be far more jarring.

>>85035425
Even beyond whitewashing the GitS thing is just plain shitty casting. I saw Lucy.

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>>85035475
http://thinkprogress.org/culture/2016/07/31/3803563/constance-wu-great-wall-casting-heroes-dont-look-like-matt-damon/

The "live/work in China" people I know are more curious as to what form of cultural government propaganda the movie is going to hit

>>85035542
Why? It's not like it's the real 1950s.

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>>85035560
The bit where she says "don't blame this on the Chinese investors, POC can have unconscious bias too" is just funny, because no, no, this is very very conscious bias. People wanna see that dude from the Bourne movies fighting monsters alongside action stars they know and love, for the glory of China.

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>>85035616

>>85035560
>>85035616

oh i saw that. it seems like people are going at that movie instead of like broadcasting the problem using that movie to jump off of because it's like a whole other thing. it's still hilarious to me that the movie sounds like it's White Dude fucks up and is saved and everyone is mad at White Savior garbage

>>85035469
Fuck off, HEATfag.

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>>85035639
shiny metal pecs

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>>85035657
>>85035644
there are some clear cases to point to of "come on, Hollywood, really?" but some of the fuss about this reeks of, almost, "only Hollywood has agendas and motivations, other players in the game are subordinate to that"

>>85035593
It's lazy. Period pieces should try to be as true as possible to the periods they're depicting. Otherwise, might as well just have it take place in the present day.

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>>85035741

>>85035750
I can't agree with you there senpai.

>>85035750
You must really hate alt-history novels.

>>85035655
When was the last time Hal helped a bunch of terrorists, anon?

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>>85035778

>>85035657
Look at him strutting around with his arms behind his back, like he doesn't know what he's doing.

Isn't it convenient the metal form censors his nipples and crotch though

>>85035750

how could you do a story about a 40s hero missing and someone going to find them in the modern day? AND you miss out on the commie pulp stuff.

>>85035741

and a dash of need to keep the anger fire burning

>>85035750
>Period pieces should try to be as true as possible to the periods they're depicting. Otherwise, might as well just have it take place in the present day.
Why do period pieces have to be 100% accurate but modern day stuff can have fictionalized elements? Don't be a timeist anon

>>85035798
Doesn't Hal work for the Green Lantern Corps?

>>85035798

That dude is always palling around with Sinestro!

>>85035560
Maybe Chinese moviegoers just like Keanu Reeves. Same as how Germans like David Hasslehoff, or how Americans fucking love Bruce Lee.

>>85035558
Fuck, why did they have to fuck up GitS like that? In this particular case, I very much take issue with casting a white bitch in the lead role. It's a series about Japanese cops, and a lot of stuff in the story simply does not work outside of a Japanese context. So no, THIS is bullshit whitewashing.

>>85035741
>"only Hollywood has agendas and motivations, other players in the game are subordinate to that"
Sub out 'Hollywood' for 'Clinton' and...

>>85035861
I heard they banged

>>85035798
When he destroyed the entire GLC, Geoff.

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>>85035863
I have been told that Damon's a coup because those Bourne movies are Big In China

I...suspect...that the mainland investors would have a perspective on "why not cast a Chinese-American?" that would not go over well with US AsAm audiences, but don't quote me on that.

>>85035884
heh, well, not to get too political, but if you read that transcript from This Week, ho-lee shit

>>85035863
I don't think ScarJo is a very good action girl actress. Some actors/actresses have the physical presence for that, some don't. Like, Emily Blunt surprisingly did have that coming off roles that decidedly weren't that - but ScarJo has already taken shots at roles like this, it's not been great. Most successfully as Black Widow who is pretty background in the Marvel movies.

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>>85035925
NEXT STORY

>>85035792
Good alt-history explains why/how it's divergent.
>>85035830
He could be ancient. There are still WW2 veterans kicking around.

>>85035925

>read that transcript from This Week

this sentence is confusing af.

>>85035952
most of her action roles come off as really stiff and stoic with the occasional one liner and it's not very fun to watch, especially not in multiple roles

god Lucy sucked

>>85035972
OK? Is it not explaining why it's divergent just by saying "Rocketeer exists in this world"?

>>85035925
There's been some shit about you know, the post-information age. The point at which facts or realities just don't matter anymore. I guess November will tell.

>>85036002
To be fair, Lucy was shit from the word "go" anyway.

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>>85035998
'This Week' is now with Stephanopoulous, but some of us old codgers will always hear it as "This Week with David Brinkley"

Sunday morning US mainstay

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>>85036069

>>85036046
I checked out when the previews went heavy on the "90% of your brain" thing that always kills my personal suspension of disbelief.

>>85036005
The limited availability of super science would not explain the presence of 21st century values, no.

If you haven't read the Morrison Action run yet someone storytimed it yesterday and the Legion parts were neat. Kind of had a mashed up team with Umbra and Sneckie on it but also had the same costumes as in the Levitz flashbacks when they were young, if you want to try to figure out continuity (lol). You have to read the whole run to make sense of things though.

>>85036069

Ahhh, i'm a godless millennial who only gets news from twitter

>>85036116

her dad is a WW2 vet and was in some secret thingy with the Rocketeer, Boom! done.

>>85036106
There was one scene in the movie where ScarJo is looking at her roommate and tells her she has liver damage, but she'll be fine if she just quits smoking and eats organic

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>>85036095
sick burn, J'onn

>>85036143

That was probably the best story with the Legion since 3 worlds, maybe a case for Trek crossover.

I enjoyed the throwback to Tales of the Adult Legion,

>>85036157
To be honest, if it weren't for this thread I'd have no clue what's going on in the world of politics.

What's the most depressing/bleakest shit Memender wrote? I'm reading Fear Agent and it's fun which is not what I was expecting. Does Fear Agent get dark as well?

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>>85036191

>>85035925
I'm non-US but I cannot really understand how Trump can go to these interviews and not be torn apart by interviewers. I'm assuming there are assurances made for anything he's appearing on.

>>85036002
>>85036046
Lucy was doomed to be complete garbage from the premise alone.

Honestly, it's offensive that people still believe in that "only 10% of your brain" whoreshit.

>>85035952
>Some actors/actresses have the physical presence for that
In a world where Michelle Yeoh is still in her prime... And yes, I know she's not Japanese, but it's fine to fudge it in certain cases.

>>85036205
Fear Agent does get dark but I think the most depressing shit will depend on what depresses you.

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>>85036202
there's also the suspicion that one camp is trying to evade the debates, because one-on-one plus the steely motherfucker gaze of Jim Lehrer is not a favorable condition

>>85036205
ahahahaha

aaaaaaaaahahahaha

yes

>>85036157
>Black inductees found discrimination and segregation prevalent in the armed forces. Military and government officials rejected desegregation, some asserting the belief that blacks were inferior. Segregation policies reflected the notion that blacks did not make adequate leaders and worked best under white supervision. The United States Army enlisted black soldiers into separate regiments; the Navy confined blacks to service roles as cooks, janitors, and waiters; the Marine Corps, for much of the war, excluded blacks altogether. African-American servicemen were sent to segregated training camps, often on military bases in the South where black GIs were harassed for defying Jim Crow laws or, simply, for wearing a military uniform. Army base chapels, mess halls, and entertainment centers excluded or segregated black soldiers.

>Even Nazi prisoners of war enjoyed more rights than black American servicemen. German prisoners of war held in United States military bases were commonly permitted to dine with white U.S. soldiers in facilities that excluded black U.S. soldiers. When Lena Horne, an African-American songstress, performed in a southern GI camp, German prisoners of war were given front row seats while black servicemen were relegated to the back of the theater. Horne delivered her performance in the aisles before her follow black Americans, but, shaken by the experience, she ended her military tour.
Sorry, can't buy it.

>>85035440
It was definitely this. A lot of "we can't trust them" stuff and ignoring the creator diversity.

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>>85036268
>>85036225
Well, he does. And he just sails on invincible to some of his audience in his ignorance anyways.

>>85036239
I know a guy who believes that, and he also believes that gravity doesn't exist, and we only can't fly because we've been trained from birth to believe we can't.

That right there could be the premise for Lucy 2.

>>85036205
>not Rememeder

>>85036268

I heard a story about Romney trying to avoid debates and they said Obama would just get the time to himself then.

so he showed up

>>85036281

do you also hate Gabe Jones?

>>85036330
Wait a second
>2cy

>>85036253
>I think the most depressing shit will depend on what depresses you.
All hope lost. Senseless nihilism. That kind of thing I'm looking for. I actually did ask today about this in win-0 thread and if Remender doesn't deliver I'm going to be disappointed.

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>>85036308

>>85036308

they literally don't care, it's as amazing as it is terrifying.

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>>85036373

>>85036330
>I know a guy who believes that, and he also believes that gravity doesn't exist, and we only can't fly because we've been trained from birth to believe we can't.

You sure your friend wasn't just fucking with you?

>>85036348
>do you also hate Gabe Jones?
I would agree that's also lousy whitewashing of the US's past.

>>85036426
This series has such strong face game even with different styles and artists.

>>85036302
And now those people will have to deal with the fact that DC and those books didn't have support when they existed so they'll just have to settle with supporting the trade and hope for a sequel.

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>>85036330
>believes that gravity doesn't exist, and we only can't fly because we've been trained from birth to believe we can't
....

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>>85036426
>>85036462
look at this fucking action, this is great

>>85036438
Not my friend, just some dummy I sat next to in class once.

He was a conspiracy nut hollow-Earther.

>>85036483
When exactly were writers lead to believe all action has to have textboxes accompanying it?

>>85036483
I don't know why comic book artists don't use speed lines more often instead of doing that boring "posing in space" shit.

>>85036495
I once sat next to a creationist for a geology class I took.

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>>85036483

>>85036495
Neal Adams?!

>>85035373
Most of the comics "media" hates DC. The pro-Marvel bias is real (it may sometimes be justified, but it's still real).

I think Marvel just has more leverage with these sites to cut off their access to interviews, previews, etc. So they always have to tread carefully in attacking Marvel. Even with something like the Cap Controversy, a lot of the posts chose their words very carefully (unlike on Twitter).

DC doesn't have the same leverage so they can be dumped on at will.

>>85036495
He didn't by chance end up testing this theory did he?

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>>85036525

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>>85036495
>hollow-Earther
>>85036483
>mfw

So, do you just let this dude talk and secretly record every batshit insane thing he says? Because you probably should.

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>>85036584

>>85036495
Are you SURE he wasn't fucking with you? I can't be the only one who tries to convince strangers of weird things for laughs, right?

One of my favorites was convincing a bunch of people that in the original Street Fighter files, Balrog's sprites were labeled "Punch Negro".

>>85036571
He said he was training to overcome it. He said that Bruce Lee knew gravity didn't exist, which is why he could do such crazy stunts.

>>85036551
I think it's a lot simpler. It's just the age-old "I like Marvel/grew up with Marvel therefore I'm required to hate DC" phenomenon.

>>85036642
wild stunt, cranky. Wild stunt

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>>85036625
M-M-META

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>>85036715

>>85036691
Im not cranky, I'm just an asshole who's weirdly good at convincing people that stupid shit is true.

>>85036642
I guess I can't be sure. He just seemed to be very earnest about hollow Earth and the government hiding alien activity, so it would be strange for just one of his lunatic theories to be a false flag.

I remember when he told me this I said "then how come animals don't fly, surely they don't believe in gravity", to which he shook his head and said "you don't get it, dude."

>>85034834
J'onn>Cyborg

DCEU take notes

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>>85036735

>>85036658
>He said he was training to overcome it. He said that Bruce Lee knew gravity didn't exist, which is why he could do such crazy stunts.
I'm pretty sure his relatively small mass and years of intense training are what let him do crazy stunts.

And by the way, until such time as dinosaurs start crawling out of the ground the fight Tarzan, I think we can put the Hollow Earth theory to rest.

>>85036691
Not me. I would never even think to do that. Mostly because I don't like talking to people in public.

>>85036787
I believe this guy t b h

>>85036799

I dunno, staying in the hollow earth seems smarter to me.

>>85036658
>He said that Bruce Lee knew gravity didn't exist, which is why he could do such crazy stunts
I remember reading that Tony Jaa watched wire-fu movies and didn't realize they were impossible, which is why he does such crazy stunts in his movies.

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>>85036790
this fukken page

>>85036925
I kinda wish J'onn would stay in his true form all the time. Honestly, he doesn't look that strange. At most, he looks like he could be out of a Mass Effect game.

>>85037034
I mean he's already a green neanderthal in bondage gear and a cape, being a freaky alien might make him seem LESS bizarre.

>>85036191
...There are laws against mind-reading?

>>85036925
This is such great art for J'onn

>>85037034

didn't he have it for a little bit like post-Infinite Crisis? or maybe a mix.

If Johns wants to use his power for good he needs to get J'onn back on the JL permanent like. Dude is the heart!

>>85036787
>I said "then how come animals don't fly, surely they don't believe in gravity", to which he shook his head and said "you don't get it, dude."

lmfao

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>>85036925

>>85037097
Yeah, the green man look kinda gives off a bit of the uncanny valley effect. His "Fear not, hoo-mans!" look is a little off.

>>85037111
In the 31st century, there are. But then, J'onn is in the present, and will surely never be in a situation where he ends up living in the future. :^)

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>>85037179
;_____;

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J'onn is based.

>>85035425
Is that John fucking Cleese?

>>85037276
Martian Manhunter is underrated as fuck.

Probably partially because of his jobber status and JLU "I'll try to read his mi-AAAUUGGGHH"

I've gotta read the Ostrander run of his someday.

>>85037276
Ugh. That's a bit real.

>>85037295
That however, is hilarious.
>... Alien.
Nice touch.

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>>85037276
>>85037363
Ostrander is good

there's a Mahnke issue in there that's relevant to our interests

>>85036658
I grew up with Marvel and I vastly prefer DC nowadays.

>>85037405
Same here. But I never hated DC at all.

Some people are just born console warriorz.

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>>85037393
>>85037363

There's a 3 issue thing called iirc American Secrets starring him that's AMAZING

>>85037490
>Family/Status: Single(sigh)
Catherine, pls.

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>>85037555
yeah, we read that a looong time ago

it has the original Doc Mid-nite in it

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>>85037590
end of trade 5!

thanks for reading, I think we're on tomorrow

>>85037490
Yeah, she looks a liiiiittle taller than 5'10".

>>85035952
>>I don't think ScarJo is a very good action girl actress.

She really isn't. She's horrible as Black Widow, and probably the most genuine delivery of a line she ever gave in any of the MCU movies was a dainty little "Thank you" at the beginning of Age of Ultron.

>>85037625
G'night OP

>>85037625
Thanks for posting as always, Storyteller.

This trade was a bit disappointing aside from the J'onn story at the end. JLI is a bit hit and miss, honestly.

>>85037625
That fucking Tasmanian Devil origin.

>>85037625

Thanks OP!

>>85037625
Thanks again OP

>>85036239
But... we DO use only 10% percent of our brain. Sure, we use 100% of what can actually be used, but it's only 10% overall.

>>85036330
Have you asked him what keeps the planets in orbit?

>>85034497
Hey hey. Coming in... shit, way, way too late this time.
10:30? I'm going to be talking to myself more than ever.

>>85034802
That's going to crash and burn because it's Reboot in name only.

>>85034924
Justice League Americas, based in I'm gonna guess Brasilia? That's a solid series pitch.

>>85035303
Listen, it's not like she'd be the first Russian woman on steroids Wally'd get entangled with.

>>85035560
>as to what form of cultural government propaganda the movie is going to hit

If "Hero" is any indication, Heavy Form. That movie was hilariously propogandic IMO.

>>85036715
Shit, I wish Kyle had been created by this point, so he could be the artist of that strip.

>>85037405
>>85037427
Both companies have good stuff and absolute shit, and both companies have been run by complete incompetents. Having a horse in the race is stupid. Just like what's good, and get mad when normies don't know who belongs to which company, like Carol Danvers being completely unrelated to Shazam.

>>85037490
We have to get more Rodan out of this profile.
That's gold right there. 6 inch lifts to be more imposing! Constant quoting of cowboy movies!

>her father disappeared some twenty years ago

Well, that gun certainly isn't loaded now.

>>85037590
Razumihin is basically the Russian Clock King, and his aides are basicly Lady Nikolai Volkovs on the road to diabetes.

These profiles are fantastic, yet more proof that Who's Who is vital.