How would you change Don Bluth's Anastasia?

Make Rasputin more threatening and ominous. Change his villain song. Scrap the bat.

Make Rasputin's motifs more solid, best case either make him a sympathetic villain or more over the top chaotic.
Remove that stupid bat

Make it less of a Disney wannabe

I have the feeling nearly everyone here will agree Rasputin needs adjustments, and Bartok needs to be removed all the way, cause other than that, everything else in the movie is pretty good as it is.

>>85033076
>Change his villain song

Blasphemy.

I would make it a tragedy where everyone dies.

Also, delve more into the Soviets and fucking everything else that actually surrounded Anastasia's own story. I mean, shit, the whole thing must take place in the 30s, right? Throw in some Hitler references. Everyone loves Hitler.

>>85033587
I think we can all agree this film could've used more Nazi's.

Ending kind of sucked, they should have figured out a way for her to stay with her grandma.

>>85032886
Get Disney to make it in glorious CG splendor. Their waifu skills are second to none.

>>85032886
Change the ending and make it so she ISN'T Anastasia and the guy is just chasing a ghost he thinks he remembers. Also drop the quirky animal humor and go full hog on ham with Rasputin.

>>85033587
>these tickets are red! Last week they were blue. Why does everything have to be red these days?

>>85033076
>remove the bat
yeah okay, he was annoying as hell
>change his villain song
you get the fuck out you stupid little shit.

>>85032886
with less generic and cliche male character designs. Srsly the guy in love with anastasia was the blandest of them all.

>>85033818
His backstory could have been more unique, especially if they instead of just introducing the story to when the Bolsheviks decided to fuck the Royal Family up, and do some build up for that entire scene, from his perspective would be best.

I've never seen it, but if its supposed to be based around the Russian Revolution, I'd love to see some Lenin and Trotsky.

>>85033931
How about we just fucking rewrite the last third of the movie to the Commies catching wind that there's a living Romanov, and trying to assassinate her?

We can even have Trotsky in the movie. And Stalin!

>>85033076
Ditch the bat, make him more ominous, and change the visual accompaniment of the song.

The song itself is fine, but a fucking crazy operatic rock ballad demands demons and crazy shit... not cutesy disney bugs

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>>85032886
Change its distributor to Disney. Otherwise, it's perfect, down to the cheesy 90s soundtrack tie-ins https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDbvjqRuMTA

>>85032886
Change the villians to communists instead of Rasputin to make it more historically accurate.

>>85034087
The animation is dated.

>>85034687
You're joking, right?

>>85034037
Bluth liked Bartok just enough to direct his sequel.

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>>85034134
The musical adaptation did that. It mostly works except the actor playing the villain made him a bit too spaghetti, so instead of him feeling genuinely threatening (casting call referred to him as darkly seductive, or something like that) he's like an adorkable gung-ho communist with a crush for most of the show, who suddenly feels like a threat only towards the end.

And towards the OP, the musical adaption does most of what I would do to change the film, with a few exceptions.

Good things the musical changed (or well, changed for previews--it won't be finalized till it opens on Broadway):

-No supernatural magic, zombie Rasputin, or talking bat
-Incorporated elements from the live action film and real history which make it feel like a historical drama St. Petersburg is called Leningrad, more references to everyone being equal/communism, a man on the train who was an aristocrat in hiding trying to flee gets shot by the police, there's a visual reference to Alexei's hemophilia, the family is taken to Ipatiev and shot, for some examples

The major mistake the adaptation made was Dimitri's new backstory and his new connection to Anya. Since the show is now more historically accurate--the tsar, wife and kids were brought to the Ipatiev House and shot rather than the 'siege on the palace' where the grandmother and Anastasia run away, only for Anastasia to hit the tracks and lose her memory--Dimitri is no longer a servant boy who rescued the grandmother and Anastasia during a siege on the palace.

Instead he is the son of a man who was imprisoned during Nicholas II's reign for his political views who once, as a young teen, saw Anastasia in a parade where the royal family was present, he and Anastasia made eye-contact and had a 'moment' together. Totally removes the emotional punch. I hope they change that to be something more moving for Broadway but since it's explained in a song, I don't have high hopes.

Why do they keep making Rasputin a bad guy?
He was just a crazy priest that did some orgies once or twice. They fucked his shit up really badly too in real life, poor dude.

>>85035678
>Why do they keep making Rasputin a bad guy?

Is he the bad guy in anything else, though? Not counting that one knock-off Anastasia film that came out on the heels of Bluth's film. ... Well there were actually 2 which came out on the heels, but only one had Rasputin. The other had talking furniture and communists with actual razor sharp teeth.

>>85035755
Hellboy comes to my mind
Though i only watched the movie, I don't know if he's any different in the comics

>>85035231
And it was actually a pretty decent movie.

>>85035598
>Remove everything fantastic about the movie
>Good
Did they at least keep the ghost dancing? This doesn't sound like an adaptation of the movie so much as an adaptation of the historical events with some of the same songs.

>>85033076
If I had the chance. I'd do these changes. Most of which are switches.

1.) Switch Rasputin with Corypheus(DA:I)
2.) Switch Anastasia with Phoebe(AT)
3.) Switch the Barlok with Ian(a.k.a iDubbbzTV) wearing his green alien costume.
4.) Switch Dimitri with Marshall Lee(AT)
5.) Switch Vladimir with Urdnot Wrex(Mass Effect)
6.) Switch Marie with Liara T'soni(Mass Effect)

As for locations. I'd just make Rasputin's realm look more like the Fade, or one of the Daedric plains of Oblivion.

Sure it makes no sense, but it's worth it.

>>85035678
He also had an absolutely gigantic, if horrifyingly misshapen traffic cone horsedick.

>>85032886
>>85038844
Work Rasputin's dick into the plot somehow.

>>85033076
>Change his villain song
that was the worst song in the movie

remove rasputing entirely

>>85036499
>implying that the only thnig fantastic about the music was zombie Rasputin and magic bats

Eh?

Yes, the ghost dancing is there. The Romanovs also appear as ghosts in a nightmare and in various sequences, like one which is creepy and sad where the child Anastasia appears in the window behind the Dowager Empress who is singing about imagining Anastasia running into her arms again

>>85035598
I saw the show when it was in Hartord I think the new story for Dimitri worked in the context of the show. Out of context it's like "oh, that's it?" but they kind of build to it during the show with comments by Dimitri, and the way it builds up with Dimitri laughing after insisting Anya build on his story so she can get into the habit of imagining she's really Anastasia, to her revealing a detail where he realizes she really is the grand duchess, is nice. Is it as "holy shit" as the film's version? Nah. But I don't see how they could do anything like that with the revised timeline.

>>85038930
>Wanting to throw away Christopher Lloyd

>>85038515
Wat am I reading

>>85033076
Nigger it's one of the best villain songs of the era and it's only not the best song in the movie because OUaD is probably the best princess song ever.

>>85042424
>Not using question marks

>>85043058
>using question marks?

One of the best scenes from an animated film, ever: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Bsdu57SFZc

Show how Rasputin wasn't evil, just a little crazy and nigh unkillable
Change Rasputin's song to Rasputin by Turisas (fuck the Boney M version)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdkBs0VCSX0

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>>85036499
>Did they at least keep the ghost dancing?

yep

>This doesn't sound like an adaptation of the movie so much as an adaptation of the historical events with some of the same songs.

It's an adaptation of the film, the same way that Aladdin, The Hunchback of Notre Dame, etc, are adaptations of the films. There are some changes made--some small and others significant--to adapt the show for the stage for various reasons.

In the case of Anastasia's stage adaptation, the narrative structure of the animated film and the stage show are the same. The primary difference is the removal of Rasputin as the villain and the introduction of Gleb, a communist officer, as the antagonist, and the decision to make it more historically plausible. The inclusion of more historical elements changes details (ex: they have to jump off the train because people with the wrong papers, aka suspected aristocrats and 'others,' are being taken off the train and shot--not because of green demon bats) and adds more 'authenticity' to the story but doesn't actually change the core narrative itself. If that makes any sense.

>>85033076
But

The bat is cute

>>85042424
>What am I reading

A list of things to add and remove, for my cancerous and slightly autistic version of the movie.

>>85032886
More quips.

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More ghost scenes, maybe preferably one where Ana comes to term with her gaining her memories and the final acceptance of the loss of her family.

It felt like everything went weak after the nightmare boat scene.

The threat of Rasputin's presence just seems to disappear afterwards until the very end when Ana is reunited with grandmama.

>>85044487
You got the autistic right.

>>85032886
I would change the american audience, so Don Bluth isn't forced to make a princess movie.

Anyone else still have those Anastasia trains that came from Burger King or whatever?
They were really nice.

>>85035598
How do they do the Rumor in St Petersburg them?

>>85032886
Go full Russian on it, make it as bleak and depressing as possible. If anyone asks " why is it so dark and full of misery ?" Respond with that just Russian history.

>>85033076
either that or make him a different character entirely from the actual Rasputin

>>85034087
RIP

>>85032886
More naked girls and gun fights, one of which would be in a car and horse carriage chase. Also, Anastasia would be a master of historically accurate ninja arts.

>>85047286
The Russian Empire was not that bad desu.
Unless you were a peasant. Even post-serfdom.

>>85049757
What percentage of the population was the peasantry?

>>85049814
Literally all of it. The bolsheviks couldn't even create a legitimate workers' revolution because there were no workers and instead were backed by peasants.

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>>85049814
I can't find precise numbers, but the numbers are in the vast majority considering the Russian Empire never properly industrialised.
But hey, at least Russia was not filled with dirty depressing commieblocks back then.

>>85047197
They had a communist officer and some soldiers come on and talk about how "the tsar's" St. Petersburg is now the "people's" Leningrad, then when he leaves Dimitri says "They can call it whatever they want, it will always be St. Petersburg to us." The lyrics are the same (there's a rumor in St. Petersburg) but there was a moment when one of the strict soldiers comes back on the scene and they whisper "st. petersburg"

>>85049948
>tfw the stage musical brings up how miserable communist Russia was
>including lyrics about waiting in bread lines, friends turning against friends, everyone being equal--lly poor, intellectuals being imprisoned and killed, and people having to live en masse in tiny rooms

If people were pissed about the movie being anti-revolution, hoo boy are they going to be mad about the musical.

... Actually the musical does attempt to bring up the unfairness of tsarist Russia for the poor as well in some neat ways, as well as the ridiculousness of the Russian aristocrats in Paris trying to pretend it's still their heyday, but it's kind of overshadowed since the focus is on the young woman whose entire family was murdered.

>>85033076
>>85034037

This. Song was good scene was shitty.

>>85043771
do they use In the Dark of the Night at all?

>>85050167
Sort of. They use a melody from the song (the come my minions/rise for your master/let your evil shine part) as an instrumental in the opening scene when the dancing sequence turns into revolution, and they use it a few times as an underscore for darker scenes. They also used that melody for in a haunting sung by aristocrats/intellectuals/Anya&co before they flee the country.

they also used a small part of "at the beginning" as an underscore too, but just once that I recall.

>>85032886
Remove bat and dog
Put some Dmitri and Anastasia backstories
Give some more focus to Volodin and Sophie
Extend journey and journey adventures

>>85050797
>Anastasia backstories

Doesn't she already have a backstory? Actually don't they both?

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>>85045974
Maybe I'll throw in some Dank memes and put a bunch of Pepes in, to make it even more autistic than before.

>>85050814
A backstory on how they lived after getting homeless could be nice.

>>85050921
Do we really need more details, though?

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>tfw Rasputin wasn't evil and was basically just a dumb hippy, and people at the time thought he was 'evil' because he was anti-war and into free love
>tfw movie makers turned him into an evil wizard

Rasputin did nothing wrong

>>85052638
He had too much influence over Alexandra, whose popularity tanked even further because of her obsession with Rasputin and unwillingness to put a boundary between him and her family.

Take out those weird-looking lines Bluth likes to detail on the characters' faces

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>>85052638
>tfw an Alan Moore looking motherfucker would get more sex then me in one week then a whole life time
Also it wasn't just that. He used his connections with the Czar to basically have nonstop drinking, parties and fucking which pissed people off.

>>85053524
Not really 'evil' though

>>85035598
I legitimately did not know they were doing a stage adaptation. From what you're saying this might end up fucking great.

My problem with the movie is that it felt like two movies: grounded historical romance, and cartoony villain magic. Even the climaxes of the two films are completely unrelated; Rasputin finally attacks and dies after Dmitri and Ana have already resolved their shit. So it would actually make a lot of sense just to remove Rasputin, since there's still a good story in there without him.

>>85053424
>Take out those weird-looking lines Bluth likes to detail on the characters' faces

What lines?

>>85053696
I watched a bootleg and it is legitimately fucking great. Different than the animated film? Yes, for sure. So if people go in expecting a carbon copy, or even a carbon copy minus Rasputin, they'll be disappointed. But it feels so... real, now. It doesn't feel like a children's fantasy show. It's now a moving historical drama with romance and humor, instead of as you said, two different movies. The new antagonist fits seamlessly into the story, and even has his own connection to Anastasia which makes the climax shown here >>85035598 more powerful. It's opening on Broadway next April, and god willing, it will have a decent run.

>>85053524
>tfw an Alan Moore looking motherfucker would get more sex then me in one week then a whole life time
Well, to be fair, actual Alan Moore himself was fucking his wife and lover at the same time for years until both wife and lover decided they liked eachother more than they liked Moore and left him.

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>>85033076
>Change his villain song

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>>85054129
> both wife and lover decided they liked eachother more than they liked Moore and left him.

>>85053906
>I watched a bootleg

Please me where find bootleg musicals.
Please.

>>85035678
Dude makes for a cool villain.

>>85032886
Just the idea seems kind of tasteless. I wouldn't make the movie in the first place

>>85054777
Youtube has a surprising amount. Search name of musical, then filter by length. Click around and they show up in recommended videos and such too.

As for Anastasia, the Youtube link I was given is now dead because it got reported since, well, party poopers.

>>85054848
I love the film, love the live-action film it was based on, and even loved the stage show but yes, it is fantasy which came out of the rumor that a young woman survived the brutal murder of her entire family and several servants who had refused to abandon them.

to quote a book about Anastasia and the myth of Anna Anderson

>The silence of death: it lay across the terrible jumble of bodies and blood-spattered walls. But Anastasia was still alive, and Marie, too, for as their bodies were carried to a Fiat truck that stood waiting in the courtyard, first one, then the other, suddenly sat up, coughing blood, moaning, screaming. They were outside now, and the men couldn’t shoot them; the bayonets came out, slashing through the air, but the knives struck the hidden jewels. And so someone grabbed a rifle, turned it around, and hammered away at the barely conscious faces, driving the wooden stock down again and again and again. Battered into silence, choking on splintered bone and shattered teeth, drowning in her own blood - this was how Anastasia died.

>>85055333
And these fuckers probably slept soundly in their beds that night knowing that they had struck a blow for the "revolution". Fuck man, this is why I hate Socialism; I'll take the aloof negligence and craven exploitation of capitalists over the righteous malice of socialists any day.

>>85055459
Oh, there was no remorse shown by the people who ultimately carried out the execution. A few months before the execution almost entirely new guards were brought in, because most of the previous guards liked/felt attached to the family (minus the tsar and his wife). Even then some of the new men stationed at the house refused to execute the daughters or wife, so they were relieved of duty and new men brought in.

The closest thing that came to it was one of the executioners saying "I suddenly thought how very short [Alexei's] sad life had been, and I silently prayed we would all be good shots." Arguably the most brutal of the executioners (Ermakov, who stabbed one of the daughters over and over in the chest, and who initially volunteered to take the family into the woods with "his men" to kill them his own way) would afterward routinely visit where the bodies were secretly buried and pose smiling for photos.

After disposing of the bodies the men went into the house to take stock of personal belongings. They read their diaries and laughed about their underwear.

>One of the comrades, sorting through some under-linen, which had been destined for the laundry, and had belonged to and had been worn by the former Duchesses, screwed them up and snuffled at them, laughing, and we passed them around.

>>85055459
I'm pretty sure Islamic extremists also sleep soundly.
At least the ones with enough oil and power to not get ganged by the international community.

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>Animate the family execution.
>The women who wore hidden jewelry in their coats miraculously deflected nugget rounds and the ringleaders were forced to be up close and personal.
>The mother should be decapitated with a sickle and the sisters bashed in the head by hammers.
>There has to be something about Lenin's New Economic Policy and how its counter revolutionary.
>There should be an article in the papers about Trotsky getting pickaxed in Mexico.
>Cameo of soon to be famous communists like Mao and Ho Chi Mihn.
>White Russians fighting the Bolsheviks in vain.
>Make the Mensheviks secret protectors of the royals and the reason the Bolsheviks purged them was because their leaders hid the fact about Anastasia.
>There should be posters of the Kaiser plastered all over Germany with the captions "miss me yet?"
>Siberia is way overepresented, have the punishment scenes done in Cheka/ NKVD prisons.

Feel free to add some points I might've missed.

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mysterious fat man

>>85032886
Have her be chased by communist agents rather than "le evul wizard"

>>85035678

Stories of him refusing to die after numerous attempts to kill him (which turned out to be -really poorly- done attempts, explaining why he survived for so long) caused people to think he was some kind of demonic entity or whatever.

>>85056159
Just shoot corrupt monks with .50 cal guns next time.

>>85033689
No she has to be poor because that's the point of her losing her family legacy forever and renounce imperialism and monarchism.

>>85033689
I mean she'll go back and visit her grandma when she wants. She just doesn't want to be tied down to the monarchy as the Grand Duchess Anastasia, stuck with the people who are trying to relive in the old days for the rest of her life. Her names means Resurrection: so it's appropriate that she has resurrected herself into the new world, and is starting a new life.

>>85053732
Not that anon, but he adds these weird cheek lines and smile lines that seem to be there to make it more realistic but mostly just make it off-putting.

>>85056446
and it's also the theme of the original play/film that the Bluth movie was based on. There's a quote from the grandma empress who is talking about a servant in one of her palaces who, despite the fact that there are no more courtiers and the palace is empty, lights every single lamp as he did in the imperial heyday. "And perhaps that is true of us all, and we are all lighting lamps to illuminate a grandeur that is gone forever."

>make it about anastasia wondering about russia searching for her lost family not knowing her royal past
>anastasia's 14 in this
>is only given one clue which is an old locket with a destroyed picture on it saying "Nicolas"
>along the way she befriends joseph stalin (or leon trotsky)
>they travel all across the soviet union looking for her family
>stalin figures out she's royalty
>stalin gives anastasia two options either live in russia as stalin's adopted daughter
>or leave russia and try to find whats left her family
>anastasia after consideration leaves russia in search of what remains of her family

would you watch it ?

>>85056873
Dude Stalin was literally worse than Hitler, and did not give a fuck even about his own children

>>85032886
>Start of the film plays mostly the same, leading up to the family getting murdered in 1918 and then resumes in 1920.
>Play up Dmitri and Vladimir's con-artist scam. Both are former Imperial Officers who deserted their posts rather than be shot by their men.
>Rasputin is no longer the main villain, but a apparition that seems to torture Anastasia. Some think it's proof she's real, others say it's proof she's just crazy
>The new villain is a Cheka agent -let's call him Petr- introduced early on charged with confirming the rumors Anastasia is alive. He is quiet and brutal, with little need for conversation, and absolutely loyal to the Bolsheviks. Think of him as the Cheka's Javert
>A secondary villain is a White Commander -Alexander- who offers the group shelter while fleeing to Paris. He wants to use Anastasia as a way to rally the whites, and ultimately put himself on the thrones as part of a new Russian Dynasty. While he appears a gentleman, he is willing to put thousands to death and treats his Soldiers like dirt
>For the most part, the story remains the same, just with more focus on how Europe and the World has changed forever
>Finale has the Cheka agent relenting in Paris, as Anastasia reminds him of his daughter. He walks away and commits suicide rather than facing disgrace. Anastasia chooses to reject her Imperial Heritage, and goes off with Dmitri and Vladimir to find work in America.

>>85057116
Suicide in a kid's movie?

>>85032886
remove the very last bat scene at the end
everything else is fine

>>85060061
Well, The Incredibles has one that failed.

rasputin is no longer a gross zombie pedophile, but a new love interest for anastasia.

a female love interest.

>>85032886
Get rid of the bat. Holy fuck was that bat annoying. The only way they could've made it worse is by hiring Eddie Murphy to do the voice.

>>85032886
Have it end with her getting shot in the head and unceremoniously dumped into a mass grave...
Just like it happened in real life.

>>85060340
I don't remember suicide.

>>85035821

No, he was a major villain in the comics.

He was also a lot more interesting and a true cultist

One of my favorite animated movies, from a time before every animated movie had to push a nigger love interest or portray the white man as evil

I could not figure out what the hell Rasputin's actual motivation was in the movie. He was just some evil dead guy that got pissy some kid was not killed years ago and took it personally.

It would have been really easy to turn Stalin into a Disney style villain. Just make him some megalomaniacal 10 foot tall anti-industrialization meme charter with lots of iron parts, maybe a steam/coal powered robot arm, a metal jaw with electric light up mustache, and lots of exhaust pipes on his shoulders.

He would have some supervillainous reason to get rid of Anastasia as a threat to his rule, and would have lots of commie minion mooks to send after her. Maybe even have little deranged robot versions of Trotsky and Zinoviev as leader mooks to send out after her. Moscow could be a blood red fortress city with lots of smog producing smoke stacks everywhere and marching Bolsheviks in the streets.

>>85032886
Dimitri nosejob.

>>85068803
>charter

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>>85033587
>Also, delve more into the Soviets and fucking everything else that actually surrounded Anastasia's own story. I mean, shit, the whole thing must take place in the 30s, right? Throw in some Hitler references. Everyone loves Hitler.

>>85068803
>He was just some evil dead guy that got pissy some kid was not killed years ago and took it personally.

I mean, he does literally say why she needs to die in the movie.

>Anastasia? Alive?! That's why I was stuck here in limbo. My curse is unfulfilled.

>>85068804
Aw c'mon. They literally broke his nose during character design because he was too pretty.

>>85032886
Probably take the executives away? Most animated movie would benefit from a few extra minutes of footage and less pressure from the investors.

As it stands now, it is a solid 7.5/10.

>>85033076
>Change the villain song
I agree, every version should just be the Russian version.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y63Pkw9vRzQ

>>85032886
First thing is be a lot less vague about Why Rasputin was considered a traitor, and why they cast him out. It's kind of the crux of the whole thing, and yet when they mention it, they only say vague stuff like "When the royals betrayed me." How? Over what? You could at least say SOMETHING about Alexei.