Why are there so few cartoons with female leads nowadays? The

>>85022890
I always wondered this too.
Why is Steven and Dipper the main protagonist; why not have Mabel and Connie?

>>85022890
You forgot the pone show.

>>85023051
We don't talk about that here anon.

>>85022890
What the fuck is wrong with mabel?

>>85023120
What is wrong with her?
I don't see a problem.

>>85022952
Because if Mabel was the protagonist, her bullshit manic-pixie-dreamgirl personality would be murder inducing as opposed to just annoying.

>>85022890
>Bee & Puppycat
We don't bring that shit up around here, anon

>>85022890
Try /a/, it's the exact opposite.

>>85023149
Which is sad considering there's so few cartoons with female role models.

>>85023149
>we
Speak for your fucking self.

>>85023160
>Not knowing that is one male lead and his harem 70% of the time and not-really lesbians only 20%
The other 10% is fujoshit

>>85023183
This.

Maybe Sugar next series can revolve around a female protagonist.

I'll try my best to persuade her, wish me luck anon!

>>85023216
I'm pretty Sugar hates women.
Have you seen how they're portrayed in SU?

>>85022890
Because it's easier to identify with men, even girls think this

>>85022890
If your really serious about this question then the answer is a myriad of issues with t.v. production. Everything from writhers typically writing male characters, studio notes, global markets, and the many many charts, graphs, and test audiences that the network and studio suits rely on.

>>85023133
I don't see a problem with that.
Guys would get a fleshed character while girls will get to see themselves in a cartoon show. It's a win win.

>>85023262
It's why we jumped ship to net streaming.

>>85023133
>>85023263
does that mean Mabel's friends will play even bigger roles than before? Well, I am not sure is this a good thing or a bad thing.

>>85023242
>>85023262
Then how do you explains woman (Sugar) making a show about a boy and man (McCracken) making a show about three little girls.

>>85023240
>Sugar came out as bisexual
>her hatred for women stem from her own insecurity of wanting to be a Prince like Utena
BRAVO SUGAR.

There's the PPG reboot.

But we don't talk about that.

>>85022890
PEE AND POOPY CUNT?!?

>>85023339
also ghostbustress, people don't want to talk about it as well.

>>85023327
In McCracken case, PPG didn't receive a good reaction from the test audience. It was beaten by Genndy's Dexter's Lab.

Only years later was it given a chance and proved to be a moderate success.

>>85023423
And now it has a reboot helmed by women.
Where's the logic of Sugar having a male centric magical girl show?

>>85023327
Steven is based on Sugar's brother, and 90% of PPG (the original) vilains were male, and the girls themselves were just preschoolers, gender barely makes a difference at that age

Women are inherently boring and that's a fact.
That's why there have never been a good female protagonist in anything from literature to fucking videogames.

>>85023500
This. It's also why in fiction of all types even myths, women are celebrated as everything they've never been and stupid beta faggot males believe it.

>>85023500
As opposed to the bumbling idiot males father figures like Homer Simpson or Timmy's dad?

>>85023500
Laura Haruna says hi.

>>85023477
>Steven is based on Sugar's brother.
>Sugar chose her brother over women's representation.
Why is Sugar so selfish?

>>85022890
Who fucking cares? Why does the gender of the main character matter?

>>85023205
Anime with female leads and majority female casts are a dime a dozen.

>>85023500
Fictional characters are inherently fictional and you can write them however you like.

>>85023635
Because sometimes little girls would like to see themselves in cartoons.
Is that so wrong?

>>85023594
Don't forget Greg Universe.

>>85023672
And no matter how you write them, women will never be interesting.

Try to write female Rodion Raskolnikov. The character would be significantly less interesting.
>inb4 go back to /lit/
Can't, those idiots are even more of white knight faggots than this board.

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>>85023500
/a/ here.

Hotaru says "Hi."

>>85023635
to some people, it does.
>>85023500
Samus from metroid? Jill from resident evil 3? They were the stars before the gender equality in media nonsense became a thing.

>>85023741
>>85023606
>weebs
Fuck off. Anime is shit and anime that isn't shit always has a male lead.

>>85023766
>boring bitches and poor excuses for characters
No.

>>85023733
They are exactly as interesting as you write them to be, that's how fiction works.

>>85023783
>Anime is shit
/co/ is really in no position to say this.

>>85023676
Nobody is preventing little girls from seeing little girls in cartoons.

>>85023810
then good luck watching some garbage such as ghostbuster reboot, no one is forcing you.

>>85023844
Except Gravity Falls, Steven Universe, The Loud House, Wander Over Yonder...
All have interesting female characters who have to play second fiddle to make protagonist.

>>85023355

Is this your type of fucking humor? Shitposter, I swear.

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>>85023500
>>85023574
>>85023733

>>85023856
SF2 is a fighting video game, not real life or a simulator. If it was realistic then one kick to the head would likely knock out all the fighters.

>>85023818
Anyone with a modicum of taste is in position to say this. Anime needs to die. It's almost as bad as capeshit.
>They are exactly as interesting as you write them to be, that's how fiction works.
Except women can't be interesting at all.

>>85023862
How the fuck did you get that from my posts?
I know videogames rot brains, but holy fucking shit.
Ghostbusters reboot is what fucking proves me right. That's what happens when you take a good movie with male leads and shoehorn women in their place instead. The roles are the same, the characters are the same, but they are way less interesting.
>>85023904
meme

>>85022890
To be honest, Mabel and Connie would be more interesting as the main characters of their respective shows.

>>85022952
Connie as the protag would be an improvement.

>>85023500
Thanks for describing yourself, anon.

Shows with female leads don't do well in any respect when compared to similar series with male leads.

Outliers and exceptions then have to deal with issues such as bronies or things like the Gwen Tennyson problem.

>>85023856
but pretty much most resident evil main characters (male and female) went though some hellish events

>>85023949
This.
She's more interesting than Steven.
CN is just sexist.

>>85023873
So? The female characters on those shows play large roles. A character doesn't need to be the title character to be important or beloved.

>>85023968
What about Star Vs?

>>85023968
By which I mean ever since the original series they've had to intentionally make their character design shittier and shittier to ward off pedophiles and other toxic communities.

>>85023500
I want to say no, but I really can't think of any examples where female characters act like women and are actually interesting as opposed to neuter roles that happen to be women.
>>85022890
PPG, MLP, Star all feature female leads and on tv, the rest tend to be fairly balanced with both, SU is mostly female leads and only UG and Gumball could be considered boys shows.
What's wrong with the current makeup of shows?
Seems to be fairly balanced.

>>85023973
>She's more interesting than Steven.
You saying it like it's an achievement.

>>85023676
Fuck identity politics and just enjoy the god damn show.

>>85023946
>Anime needs to die. It's almost as bad as capeshit.
This is the "guilty by association" tactic you people like to often use. You associate anime (or some aspect of anime) with something that you consider bad or is commonly considered bad, and try to make it seem like that thing has an association with anime, and because that thing is bad anime is also bad. You do this because you are unable to directly attack anime because you aren't knowledgeable enough.

>Except women can't be interesting at all.
You don't understand how fiction works.

>>85023990
Star is lagging in TV viewers.

>>85023981
>A character doesn't need to be the title character to be important or beloved.
But it does matter when it comes to representation.

>>85023946
>PPG Reboot
>TTG
>Uncle Grandpa
>zombie tier Adventure Time
>Ben 10 reboot
>We Bare Bears
Applicable to cartoons even moreso.

>a modicum of taste
You have nothing to prove on a Chinese cartoon board.

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>>85024004
one example I can think is this one. Though, I think the portray of gender is a topic that can't please everyone.

>>85024018
It kind of is.

>>85023946
I could say the same thing about men. Men aren't interesting at all.
Now, apache helicopters? They're interesting.

>>85024036
No it doesn't.

>>85024105
That's not fair, I would watch a show about attack helicopters.

>>85024104
Connie Maheshwaren would be a weird title for a cartoon.

>>85024004
>What's wrong with the current makeup of shows?
>Seems to be fairly balanced.
It isn't. 90% of shows have leads that are cis white males. I thought we were living in progressive times.

>>85024027
You don't understand how women work, faggot.
A realistic woman in fiction would be pretty much like playing Fallout games with Intelligence at 1. It's be frustrating, dull and whenever it thinks, says or does something competent it doesn't feel natural. Men come in all kinds in real life, and that's what makes them interesting. That's why I can believe in someone like Forrest Gump or Mr. Ripley existing, but not someone like Lara Croft.

Maybe sjws were right. Maybe genderless protagonists are the way to go.

>>85024145
>You don't understand how women work, faggot.
We aren't talking about women, we are talking about fictional characters.

>>85024124
Just translate it; Connie, Lord of the Universe.

>>85024126
nice to know that the patriarchy is still strong.

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>>85024182
or one-shot & replaceable main characters are the things to please majority. Game likes zombi u is an example.

>>85024182
Undertale is ahead of its time then.

>>85023625
She's a woman

>>85023676
So what, are you gonna force creators to make self insert heronies? They'll create whatever they want to.

>>85024145
Also if female characters were written realistically? The movies that /co/ worships like How To Train Your Dragon would end with the beta male protagonists not scoring pussy because women don't like nice guys. They like thugs, sociopaths, bad boys, assholes, and rich douches.

>>85024240
She's an anti feminist.

>>85024124
I mean, at least her name is slightly intriguing. I at least would've watched it because of the name "Maheshwaren".

>>85024205
I already told you why they can't be interesting, you fucking dunce. Maybe if you read past the first sentence, you'd know that.

>>85024241
I'd raise awareness on how little representation there is for women; maybe that will convince creators to make more female leads.

>>85024247
99% of female characters are written like shit tumblr fics in order to appease woymen beta cucks.

>>85024279
And I already told you they're fictional characters, you fucking dunce.

>>85024283
"Imagine your sex on the MC" is a lot easier to program.

>another shitty thread gets 100 posts

Fucking autists.

>>85024289

>>>/a/

There you go, all the grills you could ever want.

>>85024334
>100
It's 92.

>>85024279
/s4s/ please leave

>>85024312
Yep, you're retarded.
There is no way to make a female character interesting. It will never work and would feel tryhard at best instead.

>>85024376
No, you are retarded for not being able to comprehend how fiction works.

>>85024376
There's no way to make male characters interesting, and yet we have hundreds of them as well.

>>85023500
>>85024004
Well, to be honest, that's what happens when none of the social archetypes/portrayals of women are interesting. When you want to create a interesting womyn character, it will either look like a neuter character that happens to be a woman or outright man-woman.

But maybe you're right, the male brain is superior in every way

>>85022890
Because when they do, they always drop the ball sooner or later.

e.g. Korra, Brave, the horse show...

>>85024391
You can spew your "HURR THEY CAN ONLY BE AS INTERESTING AS U WRITE THEM" bullshit all you want and act smug, but it won't change a simple fact. Women never work as protagonists. Just because you want to jerk off to them doesn't make them interesting.

>>85024397
Oh shut up, /co/mblr.

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>>85024436
>the horse show

>>85022890
So if those two were the main protagonists of their respective shows, what would change?

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>>85022890
Most cartoons are made by men and men are hesitant to write for women characters because they have to second-guess everything (Would a woman do this? Would a girl do that?). It's the same case for anyone who has to write for a character that is unfamiliar to their own experiences. It's why Steven is so feminine, why Pearl has more depth than the title character, why Soos is better written than Wendy, why Regular Show's male characters are more entertaining than the women, and why Star comes naturally for Darcy.

Most male creators don't want to force themselves into writing characters they can't think of how to make funny, so they end up having a large cast of dudes with one or two girls who end up being the most boring of the bunch. A lot of people, not just male writers, feel they aren't as free to make women characters the way they want. The ditzy character, like Francine from American Dad, would get assblasted in a kids cartoon for being a stereotype. We accept it for AD because Seth is known for offensive types, but for a kids cartoon? She would be cut. Like Ms. Bellum in nuPPG.

Pic related to explain it a bit more.

>>85024453
>Women never work as protagonists.
'Perfect Dark' and 'Tomb Raider'

>>85024453
Is that your only insult? Really, you can't make interesting characters male or female. Everyone is exactly the same character; boring. We should all stand still and die in order to become interesting. You are just a troll. I am just a troll. No one is interesting at all. And your insult is the reason no one is interesting. You can't make male characters. You can't make female characters. You can only make clones of you.

>>85024464
I don't think Bojack Horseman was a female.

>>85024413
Anime has interesting female characters who are also feminine.

>>85024453
>You can spew your "HURR THEY CAN ONLY BE AS INTERESTING AS U WRITE THEM" bullshit all you want
It's not bullshit, it's objectively correct.

>Just because you want to jerk off to them doesn't make them interesting.
Projection.

>>85024492
>You can only make clones of you
Are we talking about David Willis?

>>85024489
I seriously want /v/tards to fuck off. See
>>85024453
>Just because you want to jerk off to them doesn't make them interesting.

>>85024520
The webcomic artist or the one with the show about talking food?

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>>85024508
Don't act like you don't know what show he's implying.

>>85022890
>People arguing girls can't make good protagonist when fucking I Love Lucy is the staple of television history

What the fuck.

>>85024484
So basically, sexism.
Why aren't there more women in the animation field?

>>85024523
In that case, Kamela Khan and Black Widow.

>>85023130
She broke her neck and her leg is dislocated.

>>85024548
We're talking about cartoons.

>>85024550
>So basically, sexism.
Maybe you should read his post and the accompanying image more carefully.

>>85024513
>it's objectively correct.
That's why all the best and actually good characters in literature, cinema, comics (not counting capeshit because it has no good characters) and videogames are all male.

>>85024548
>just because it's a classic, it's good
I bet you think Halloween is a good movie too.
>>85024574
>capeshit
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>85024548
dude no one cares about live action.

>>85024548
It was a simpler back then. Before everything was offensive and everything was a product of The Patriarchy™.

>>85024595
I read it.
We just need more women in animation, then we'll get more female leads.

>>85024602
>That's why all the best and actually good characters in literature, cinema, comics (not counting capeshit because it has no good characters) and videogames are all male.
That's just your personal opinion. You have no way of arguing against what I said. Because it's objectively true and cannot be disputed.

>>85024602
none of them have personalities. in fact, everyone has the same personality; whiny, selfish, only cares about if they're right or not. just like in real life

>>85024484
pretty much this. Remember the ghost busters (reboot) trailers reviews/ reactions? Only the male reviewers get the rants and libels. On the other hand, female reviewers were safe because of their gender.

>>85024626
>I read it.
You are either lying or have terrible reading comprehension.

>>85024602
>capeshit
In that case, Katie from Seconds.

>>85024582
Do you not realize how much of an influence live-action had on cartoons? Vaudeville? Honeymooners? Half our cartoon sitcoms still play to the live-action family sitcom dynamic. Shit, if you go take classes for animation, they'll tell you to study live-action filmmaking like Papermoon, Lawrence of Arabia and Citizen Kane.

>>85024145
>A realistic woman in fiction
>realism
>in fiction
>fiction should be realistic

I don't understand what you're getting at here. If a fictional character was written to act as a realistic person, then of course they would act completely different, regardless of gender. That is the difference between fiction and reality.

A realistic child that had watched his wealthy parents murdered in an alley might respond in a lot of ways, but I can guarantee you none of them are "train to be a ninja, dress up as a bat, and fight crime."

>>85024626
You think that because an animator is a woman, they automatically will seek to write female MCs, let alone competently so?

Isn't that a bit sexist?

I wish nihilism was more accepted. Then we wouldn't have an argument on who is more interesting since we're all just the same hunk of a shell.

>>85024634
It really didn't help that movie just sucked, though. That's the problem, if Fantastic Four bombs people just shrug and go well, I guess we made a bad movie. If GB bombs, it's because of the women. That's why the "woman represents all women everywhere" thing is absolute horseshit.

>>85024663
>Shit, if you go take classes for animation, they'll tell you to study live-action filmmaking like Papermoon, Lawrence of Arabia and Citizen Kane.
They'll just teach to draw like Pen Ward. That's all animation is today.

>>85024663
Yeah but this site is full of faggots who only care about what they're autism is telling them. My best advice is to just make confusing arguments and wait to see if they actually care or not.
You might be objectively right, but everyone wants to hear what they want to hear. That's why arguments are pointless.

>>85024626
Pete Doctor wrote Inside Out and has one of the best most believable little girl characters I've ever seen in American animation.

>>85024671
Rule of thumb: When somebody asks for realism in fiction, they mean their personal conception of Reality.

>>85024717
Must we bring up the 'Cal-arts' meme again?

Why are people so obsessed with the portrayal of women instead of the portrayal of characters?

>>85024650
>>85024673
Rebecca Sugar wanted to write a female centric show but CN denied it.

>>85024663
>Shit, if you go take classes for animation, they'll tell you to study live-action filmmaking like Papermoon, Lawrence of Arabia and Citizen Kane.
Judging by how animation is made in the US, this either isn't true or nobody listens to instructors who say that.

>>85024749
Because narrowing the interest is much more likely to make arguments.

>>85024750
Rebecca Sugar is one woman, anon.

>>85024733
Not really.
It was more like a man's idea on what a little girl should be like.
Only women can do female characters justice.

>>85024775
See this is why the horse show is banned.

>>85024749
Because male guilt.

>>85024743
Take a look at animation.
It's all CalArts.

>>85024762
If you look at good animated films in the US, it's absolutely true. Zootopia is a well composed that follows all the language of film properly. Even if people think it's kiddie because it's talking animals, all the demonstrated skills are there.

TV is an entirely different beast where "cheaper is better" reigns supreme.

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>>85024775
>Only women can do female characters justice.
But can only men do male characters justice?

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Women can be written well. It's just no one knows how to do it.

>Babs
>5'4
>90 lbs
>interrupts a couple having an argument
>lifts the guy up and tosses him in the bushes

And we're supposed to believe this is good writing.

>>85022890
In the past there were "boys' shows" that had boy leads and "girls' shows" that had girl leads. Now things aren't as gendered and therefore lean male.

Also Mabel is a manic pixie dream girl and Connie is boring as fug.

>>85024775
>Only women can do female characters justice.
How would you explain Japan then?

>>85024749
Because women have been screwed over for centuries.

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>>85024787
>the horse show
DELETE THIS

>>85024796
Yeah Problem Solverz Cal-Arts.
And Mike Tyson Mysteries? Cal-Arts.
Uncle Grandpa? Cal-Arts.
Teen Titans? Both versions?Cal-Arts.
Your mom? She's literally the Cal-Arts building.

>>85024767
And she could have made a difference.
But no, she decided to have a male lead.

>>85024796
What about Bojack Horseman and all the CGI stuff?

>>85024801
Zootopia is 3D animation which makes it trivial to make cinematic looking animation. Things were different in the pre-3D era.

The cartoonish look of TV animation has nothing to do with the budgets, and a cinematic approach to animation is in fact more cost-effective at least as far as the animation is concerned.

>>85024802
Well, yeah. That's why there's no trans characters. They know what they can write.

>>85024835
Uncle Grandpa was actually made by a CalArts alumni.

>>85024844
Cal-Arts. So is steamboat willy. And loony toons. And Grand Dad. Hell, I think The Nutshack's also Cal-Arts. So is Love Life. And Soulja Boy.

>>85024802
Yes. Compare Dipper to Steven.
>>85024808
Women in anime are never written good unless it's by a female, I.e. Cardcaptir Sakura and Sailor Moon.

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>>85024860
remind me of Poison for some reason

>>85024863
Huh. You learn something new every day.

>>85024881
>Soulja Boy
(YOOOOOOOOOU)

>>85024652
>O'Malley being a faggot weeb
>good characters
>>85024627
>That's just your personal opinion
No, it's an objective fact. Women outside of being supporting characters simply don't make for good characters and stories. That's why Anna Karenina is Tolstoy's absolute worst.
>it's objectively true
It's the same self-righteous kind of bullshit like "there are no bad characters, just bad writers" amateur writers like to spew.

>>85024671
See, men have varied personalities, it wouldn't be that hard to imagine them being outworldly and different, so to speak. Women always settle for being mediocrity in every way, so it always feels jarring in fiction when they're presented as something above it. It's hard to take even a fictional woman seriously when she's smart or has profound thoughts and conflicts beyond "why don't my husband buy me this diamond ring". Suspension of disbelief is not unbreakable for a reason.

Also
>capeshit
No one past the age 12 thinks capeshit has good characters.

>>85024885
>Women in anime are never written good unless it's by a female
This is complete nonsense. I think you're just jealous.

>>85022890
>>>/tumblr/
But seriously, even womyn believe that male protagonists are easier to identify with.
And I don't know about /co/ but I don't give a fuck as long as there is a (well written) female character as a part of the main cast of a show

>>85024907
>No, it's an objective fact
>blah blah
You have no way of arguing against what I said.

>>85024909
Name one anime made by a man where the females weren't complete shit.

>>85024550
>Why aren't there more women in the animation field?
Personal choice? Being an animator is a pretty shit job

>>85024907
>See, men have varied personalities
None of which is reflected on you.
And like I said, no one has a personality. Everyone is basically the same person. We should all just accept that we're literally all the same person copied billions of times.

>>85024859
Lion King, Iron Giant, Secret of Nihm, Land Before Time, Beauty and the Beast, even films as old as Pinocchio follow the language of film very well.

Budget has everything to do with it, whether live-action or animation. It's why Big Bang Theory. flat angles, basic sets, sitcom shots, is easier to make than Community which has a lot of sets, moving camera, and a lot more complexity to it.

Do you think Avatar had the same budget at Johnny Bravo or something? Even Invader ZIM had an inflated budget because of how dynamic and detailed it got from time to time.

I love how modern liberalism is opposed to the idea of individualism. If you are a woman/black/gay/whatever, you are to carry the burden of a society-ful of strangers whose only relation with you is that they may look a bit like you, and you must exist and work to further the Progressive agenda only, denying yourself of any individual pleasures or interests.

I just love how liberals don't even bother pretending anymore that they're communists.

>>85024805
That is not about making a female character that's about knowing how to make a smaller character a good fighter. Which you can't. Because like half of winning fights involves throwing your weight around. The scene was dumb and should never have been made for Babs or anyone in her weight range.

>>85024929
I already told you why you're wrong.
You're just being obtuse.
>>85024935
Because women are not intelligent or creative. Their only purpose is to consume, not create or think. That's why STEM fields, especially the ones that require serious thinking, have so many men.

>>85024976
You're wrong too but you just keep talking.
Be like everyone else. Or accept the fact that everyone is exactly the same and you are inflating your ego to the point where you project your entire personality onto every single character.
Which is true. Because we all have the same personality.

>>85024907
Ghost Town.
Empowered
Star Vs

Why fight about this when we all know that everyone is exactly the same with no change in personality. Everyone writes boring characters because we are all the same person.

>>85025061
>we are all the same person
Speak for yourself, m8.

>>85024931
No, because you've already pre-determined as part of your narrative that all female characters written by men are bad, so it makes no difference what I name.

>>85024941
American animation movies are rooted in cartoon animation which is rooted in Vaudeville theatre. They have cinematic moments and some of them are more cinematic than others, but they aren't truly made with a cinematic mindset.

>Budget has everything to do with it, whether live-action or animation.
This was the very first anime:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnX-0fbXzyA

It looks like shit. They lacked the budget/time/staff/skill to make anything better. It looks somewhat cartoonish but also somewhat cinematic with its angles and compositions. Anime has always been optimized for cost-efficiency and the limitations of TV production, and a cinematic approach is a crucial part of that.

>It's why Big Bang Theory. flat angles, basic sets, sitcom shots, is easier to make than Community which has a lot of sets, moving camera, and a lot more complexity to it.
But that's live action. Animation has very different demands.

>>85024971
Women in any kind of fight look silly. If they're competent it looks silly and takes all the tension out of fight scenes, if they fight realistically it's a fucking comedy.
>>85024999
I guess that's true. I guess I'm exactly like Ted Bundy.
You fucking faggot.

>>85025049
Stop.
You have awful tastes. Just stop. Read American Splendor or something. You could've at least said Persepolis which is shit because the writer is a dumb boring cunt, but she's still better than characters you keep mentioning.

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>>85025061
Why you so insistent on this stance? Are you the same person from the posts above? Is this some meme making fun of something someone said? Are you a meme, Anon?

>>85025079
I never denied it. I am the same as you as the same as the countless characters created for media. We are all the same why argue?

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>>85022890

Are you forgetting someone? Literally, the main character is a girl.

>>85025089
Memes are all the same.
>>85025087
You are the same as Ted Bundy are the same as me. I'm glad you're in denial about the fact that we are all just one person looking for attention and selfish validation of our viewpoints.

>>85024976
>I already told you why you're wrong.
You didn't because you CAN'T.

>>85025109
We're talking official productions.
You might as well post Back to Backspace or Twelve Forever.

>>85025120
I did. You're just refusing to accept the truth because you're a filthy white-knighting weeb.

>>85025109
>Pitches with failed Kickstarters count

Then I guess with all the Tumblr web comics with self-insert girls in it talking about their depression means we have an influx of girl characters in /co/.

>>85024963
Fucking this. The regressive left cares so much about race and gender that they've become the racists/sexists. It's like they can't comprehend society reflects the results of individual choice, everything is an institution to them

>>85025087
>You have awful tastes.
Stop projecting.
If i had said American Splendor or Persepolis, you would have just ignored it as well.

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>>85025117
>you're in denial about the fact that we are all just one person looking for attention and selfish validation of our viewpoints.

The irony of this statement is mind boggling.

>>85025142
I'm not a white knight or a weeb, I'm just stating an irrefutable fact.

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>>85024931
I'm trying to remember the director's name name. Started with an M. Mara...maya...Miya...

>>85025142
Everyone is the same. Please accept this fact.
>>85025156
Validation is basically everyone's motivation to do anything. Our motivation being the same means that we're all the same. Thus, no interesting characters.

>>85025180
M. Night?

>>85025180
Doesn't count.
That's a movie.

>>85025164
You're just being in denial.
>>85025180
>feminist old shitbag who keeps writing dull bitches
Porco Rosso is his only worthwhile film anyway.

>>85025180
>Miyazaki
>good at writing females
Top kek.

>>85025180
Matthew Patrick?

>>85024931
Dirty Pai-

>Blew up an entire planet by accident

Actually, scratch that.

>>85025201
Fuck off.
Don't cherry pick just to fit your own opinion.

>>85025217
>You're just being in denial.
No, you are.

>>85025221
>you
>not jelly
Top kek.

>>85025217
These characters are exactly the same as you and me. They want attention, and they got it. Thus, everyone is the same person and there are no interesting characters in general. Empty shells of each other.

>>85025183
Then you still have near infinite variance on how individuals seek validation. Plus you people who have no motivation, and don't seek or don't believe they can validate their existence by any means. Plus it completely ignores why we feel we feel the need validation in the first place.

>>85023973
>>85024018
>>85023949
SU is like Batman. But instead of having a rogue's gallery, he has a whore's gallery.

Women should all be killed, turned into food so we wouldn't have to slaughter animals for several years and replaced with artificial wombs.

>>85025217
>ignoring The Wind Rises

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>>85025180
Miyazaki, the creator of Dark Souls.

/co/mblr was never a meme.

>>85025253
It's still validation. We're all selfish enough to assume that the other person wants to hear our story. So we argue. The more we argue, the more we assume we're right. There is no right or wrong, but we all want to be considered right, no matter how our opinion is. And in that case, that makes us all one boring personality, which is why all characters are the same.

>>85025279
>artificial wombs
Is that a thing?

>>85025279
We should all kill everyone, since we are exactly the same person. What's the point if we are all the same matter in the first place?

>>85025303
But /pol/mblr was.

>>85022952
because all Mabel is interested in is boys
and Connie is a worthless character only there to be Steven's girlfriend so he has reason to fuse

>>85025289
What about it? It's utter shit in terms of how the women in it were written. The movie in general was poorly written.

>>85025303
>>85025333
i love /co/m/pol/

>>85025316
I wish it was.
Women are trash. They have no value beyond childbirth. Even dogs are more intelligent and valuable.

>>85025334
So?
All Dipper is interested in is mysteries and Steven is a worthless character only there to be the morality chain.

>>85023766
samus is the least interesting thing about her universe

>>85025342
I liked it.
And also 'On top of Poppy Hill'
And to A lesser degree 'Arrietty'

>>85025342
>What about it? It's utter shit in terms of how the women in it were written.
Yeah, they should have said something like "we are strong and beautiful bitch princesses from hell and we don't need no man!" and then defeated Hitler and saved the world.

>>85025360
Men have no value either. They are either the same as women or women.
Why not kill everyone else? No one has a purpose other than selfish validation.

>>85024749
because muh brownie points

>>85025316
Sort of. We have one that works for sharks, but not people yet. It's only a matter of time though.

>>85025360
>Even dogs are more intelligent and valuable.
Too bad people don't like dog fuckers.
>>85025362
>Adam Malkovich is more interesting than Samus
I don't authorise this opinion.

>>85025405
We should use the sharks to kill everyone. They at least have a personalty unlike everyone else.

>>85025383
>>85025419
Are you OK?
Do you need a hug?

>>85025416
We should use the dogs to kill everyone, since no one has a personality other than themselves. It's all about me me me and no one else.

>>85025383
Oh, fuck off already you poor Johan Liebert impersonation.
Wake me up when women invent something, write a great piece of literature or compose actual music
>inb4 Mendelson's sister
He probably said she made some of his music because he wanted her to feel good, not because it was true.

>>85025405
Maybe we could kill all women off soon.

>>85025419
Impossible, sharks don't have souls.

>>85025432
Who needs a hug? Women are like men are like anons are like me. I already have a hug from everyone because we are all the same boring persona hiding it through various troll personas and political views

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>>85025238
all Miyazaki female protagonists are the same confused girl who's only purpose is to understanding the craziness around them so the viewer has someone to relate to because they're just understanding the world too
they're always the least interesting person in their movie and they don't really carry the plot, rather the plot carries them
they're no characters they're plot devices

>>85025442
Your personality is bland and boring like everyone else, and your hatred of women is basically your hatred of yourself and the fact that you're just a internet troll trying to hide the fact that you're exactly the same as everyone else.
Johan Liebert is the same as you is the same as me.

>>85025442
>great piece of literature or compose actual music
Harper Lee.
Adele.

>>85025442
>or compose actual music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDRx1ezNyII
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3GUbWZ81AY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmNqQYknnrE

>>85024247
I'm sorry that you are still in high school.

>>85025228
From the New World
Kill La Kill
Madoka
Utena
Yuri Kuma Arashi
Penguin Drum
the above 4 are cheating because they're all by the same director
Most things by Miyazaki

>>85025502
>shitty weeb trash
No.
>>85025498
Stop trolling.

>>85025498
They are bland and boring just like the rest of the population, and no amount of being famous or profound will make anyone just as different as anyone else. This is fact.

>>85025463
>all Miyazaki female protagonists are the same blah blah blah
Yeah you're jelly.

>>85025518
Your personality shows like everyone else: nonexistent.

>>85025518
>Stop trolling
Explain how I am trolling.
Explain how To Kill A Mockingbird doesn't deserve to be considered good literature because a woman wrote it.

>>85025518
They're all written by Japanese composers, not Westerners. And even if they were weebs that wouldn't be an argument anyway. You just don't want to acknowledge them because they don't fit your narrative.

There are plenty of shows focusing on Female leads.

>>85022952
>Why is Steven and Dipper the main protagonist; why not have Mabel and Connie?
Because the creators chose Steven and Dipper.

>>85024247
>They like thugs, sociopaths, bad boys, assholes, and rich douches.
>sociopaths
Similar attracts similar.

>Callous unconcern for the feelings of others;
>Gross and persistent attitude of irresponsibility and disregard for social norms, rules, and obligations;
>Incapacity to maintain enduring relationships, though having no difficulty in establishing them;
>Very low tolerance to frustration and a low threshold for discharge of aggression, including violence;
>Incapacity to experience guilt or to profit from experience, particularly punishment;
>Marked readiness to blame others or to offer plausible rationalizations for the behavior that has brought the person into conflict with society.
Every woman ever born.

>>85025310
The fact that they seek validation may be a similarity but it is such a shallow one that it is all but meaningless to the argument since validation can come from a near infinite amount of sources that all demand different actions. There are plenty of quiet humble people who are all but certain no one cares about them and will roll over in arguments. Beyond that the fact that people argue over things is proof of their differences not their similarities. Even right now we are producing a conflict by arguing our beliefs precisely because we both think we are right. We both think different things are right because of our individual personalities and characters.

People are dynamic, infinitely different, produce conflicts, resolve them, ignore them, or may be forced to be involved beyond their wills. People as they go through these steps in their own unique ways are inherently interesting.

>>85025519
Go back to /r9k/

>>85025551
We are all trolling because we are all the same person. No matter how many people are actually here, we all have the same personality and same attributes. No one made anything special because everyone is exactly the same.

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>>85025361
>All Dipper is interested in is mysteries
i say that fits considering that's what the show is about
he carries the main plot, mabel almost always has the same subplot when she's dealing with a boy she likes

and i agree Steven is a boring character, because his purpose as a main character is t understand everything around him and fixing it, without growing as a character himself, that kind of works though because it helps the viewer to project themselves onto him so they have someone to guide them through the story
Steven is the same person he was from the beginning of the show, a show that's almost 100 episodes in

>>85025572
Go back to /s4s/. Or /pol/. Or the various of other boards since we're all the same.

Who is worse, faux-nihilism anon or women should be killed anon? And why is it both?

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>>85025530
>Yeah you're jelly.
lol?

>>85025622
Well it's good that you can at least laugh at your own shortcomings.

>>85025622
Your anime gif hides the fact that you are the same.

>>85025618
Barneyfag is worse.
Good thing he isn't here.

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>Connie
>character

>>85025551
>doesn't deserve to be considered good literature
Because it's not. It's a preachy excuse for literature on par with trash like Catcher in the Rye.

>>85025553
>You just don't want to acknowledge them because they don't fit your narrative.
Or because it's shit music written for shit anime.

>>85025653
who cares? it's literally the same thing over and over. no one has a personality and no one made anything of note because we're all the same person.

>>85025589
>Steven is the same person he was from the beginning of the show, a show that's almost 100 episodes in
Not true. Steven is a lot more aware and competent compared to earlier episodes.

>>85022890
It's because you can write a male protagonist with flaws without any problems. When you write a female protagonist suddenly she has to represent all women everywhere.

This is really bad when it comes to comedy since if you make a joke that the MC is stupid or somehow inept people cry sexism. Notice how most female-led cartoons have an empowerment theme?

>>85025653
It isn't shit, you just pretend it is in order to maintain your narrative. Or alternatively you just hate music.

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>>85025653
>Catcher in the Rye.
Get the fuck out of the thread.

>>85025618
Nothing is worse since there is no objective way to value anything since nothing matters in life and it's all worthless. Like women, who should all be killed.

>>85025706
>mlp
take your own advice.

>>85025676
>Not true. Steven is a lot more aware and competent compared to earlier episodes.
is that really character development or flanderization? because he's always been the character who understands, so naturally writers would end up making him understand stuff more

>>85025706
>he likes Catcher in the Rye
*tips fedora*
>>85025685
I like music, not shit attempts at it.

>>85025714
Women should be killed as men should be killed.
Because, you know, we are all the same matter. And since women are useless, that makes men useless since we are all the same personality and same boring person.

>>85025727
You either hate music or you're lying in order to support your narrative. Which is it?

>>85025726
>because he's always been the character who understands
Not really. His understanding abilities didn't emerge until Ocean Gem. Up until then, he was just friendly and eager to help.

>>85025727
You are the same as me as the same as everyone else. You're music tastes are like everyone elses; nonexistent.

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>>85025727
>catcher in the rye
The fact that you even brought it up means that you are Reddit trash.

>>85025706

DON'T KILL THIS THREAD FAGGOT!

>>85025681
What about that one movie from one or two years ago where that woman murders the fuck out of her abusive cheating husband in a terrible way. She was a villain and a terrible person but the crux of the movie was deciding whether or not she was justified.

I recall a disturbing amount of women on the internet saying she was in the right.

>>85025750
I hate shitty music like derivative garbage you have posted.

>>85025774
Does barneyfag even notice ponyshit in threads if it's not in the OP?

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>>85025774
This thread is trash anyway.

>>85025804
You either hate music or you're lying in order to support your narrative. Which is it?

I want to fuck kill all women anon and then cuck him with faux nihilsm anon.

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>>85025822
>cuck

>>85025852
>bait
its obvious this thread is purely bait, why not just go with the flow.

>It's a /co/ whines about social justice thread

>>85025815
Fuck off and listen to actual music beyond weebshit.
Unless you're trolling, which would explain why you think anything about the shitheap that was Kara no Kyoukai is worth remembering.

>>85025880
one of two responses
>lets kill women
or
>we're all the same.

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>>85025880
its a /co/ defends "social justice" thread

>>85025884
>Fuck off and listen to actual music
Like Bastille?

>>85025884
Again, those composers are Japanese, not Western. Again, even if they were weebs it would not make any difference.

>Unless you're trolling, which would explain why you think anything about the shitheap that was Kara no Kyoukai is worth remembering.
I haven't even seen it, and even if I had it would be completely irrelevant to what we're talking about.

So which is it: do you hate music or are you lying in order to support your narrative?

>>85025884
your tastes of music is like everyone else; boring, bland, and the same. and no amount of trolling will help you.

>>85025920
why are we arguing. we all know the answer is "im right and you're wrong" because that's literally all arguments. because we all do the same things. because we all are the same.

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>>85025910
I think that's just baiting

>>85025938
I have no involvement in that argument so don't try to drag me into it.

>>85025917
Well, judging by your shit anime music you may like that garbage.
>>85025920
>he still keeps pretending the garbage he has posted is music

>>85025967
Who cares? This is a bait thread. No one is taking it seriously, and if they are, they're stupid fucks.

I wish it was okay to torture a girl, cut her into little pieces and serve her flash to her own relatives.

The Purge should be a concept existing in reality, because someone has got to show women how worthless they all are and what would happen to them if they keep pretending like they're anything but kitchen equipment.

>>85025971
It is music.

So which is it: do you hate music or are you lying in order to support your narrative?

>>85026014
>serve her flash to her own relatives
Just tell them to install Chrome, it's got that built-in.

>>85026014
I wish the Rapture was real, so that everyone can die a slow painless death. We are all the same, and therefore we should all die at exactly the same time. We have no personality, and accepting that we have no personality is the first step to Rapture. Death should come to us all at once because we are all the same person.

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What did he mean by this?

>>85026030
>It is music.
Yeah, sure.
In the same way trash like Depeche Mode is music.

>>85025804
If that middle one didn't give you a burst of winter joy you may be lacking a soul, Anon. last one was also very nice.

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>>85026030
Both.

>>85026061
Depeche Mode is also music.

So which is it: do you hate music or are you lying in order to support your narrative?

I want kill all women fag and faux nihilism fag to rape me, a man.

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There needs to be a report type for "The OP is not technically breaking any rules but if you examine the thread you'll see that it's become a fucking dumpster fire."

>>85026061
>Depeche Mode is music.
Fuck off m8

>>85026057
Men are awful, women are superior.

Makes sense, considering the show he writes for.

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>>85026051

>>85026057
that after the billionth request for male gems when the narrative has already been planned for like 5 years, he's tired of being asked if there will be any male gems? Also literally "if you want dudes with superpowers there is the entire genre of capeshit"

>>85026076
>Depeche Mode
>music
t. 80s teen with no taste.

>>85026066
>bland derivative shit
>joy
>nice
No. Listen to classical composers. That's where the real music is. That's because men are actually intelligent and can create something worthwhile, instead of ripping others off.

We should all consider mass suicide of everyone. We are all the same empty shell of a personality, and any one we do have is just a reaffirmation that we are exactly the same. If only there was a way to kill everyone in unison, to show that we are all just the same personality.

>>85026057
Jokes on him I already self insert as Jasper

>>85026134
Go away, Owlman.

>>85026123
>t. 80s teen with no taste.
I didn't say anything about whether or not I like Depeche Mode, I just stated the fact that it's music.

So which is it: do you hate music or are you lying in order to support your narrative?

>>85026123
Classical composers are the same as everyone else; boring and selfish and the same song over and over again. Why listen to anything when you could be listening to nothing? At least with nothing, you'll have a personality, unlike men women and children composing.

>>85022952
>Connie
What the fuck? If anyone should be the protagonist it shouldnt be a fucking human. I hate the human and onion episodes

>>85026057
Pretty funny considering the strongest character in the show is a male.

What would it feel like to skin a female alive?

>>85026163
The answer will always be im right and you're wrong because we're all the same person.

>>85025681
You just about hit the nail on the head.

>>85026191
It would be the same as skinning a man alive, that is the same because we are all the same bland boring person deep down inside.

>>85026163
Stop shitposting already. I gave you an answer. I like music when it's good, so that's why I dislike the garbage you have posted. Satisfied?

>>85026192
Again, I have no part in whatever argument it is that you're having with whoever it is you're having it. Don't try to get me involved in your drama.

>>85025781
How I Married An Axe Murderer?

I want to ring in the new age of singularity. Everyone is exactly the same bland boring person with no personality whatsoever, so making everyone act as one wouldn't be a big problem.
And then, I want everyone to kill themselves for being exactly the same.

>>85026214
Do you hate music or are you lying in order to support your narrative?

>>85024806
>>85023133
>manic pixie dream girl
I'm sorry, I'm not very smart but I have a story in mind and I'm afraid the female character I'm writing may start to fall under this category. Google seems to just confuse me, really, because like I said I'm not very smart. What exactly are the common traits associated with this type of character, and why is it bad?

>>85026181
Well what other prominent female is in SU?

>>85026218
>>85026214
And again, this is all the same argument. We are all the same person over and over again.
So are you arguing to mantain your narrative? Because that's what we're all doing. We are just the same person with the same arguments that boil down to im right and your wrong. we all have our catchphrase already.

>>85026123
>ripping others off
>seriously believing that old music isn't "collaborative" (a.k.a. derivative) as shit
Okay man.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8gK0_PgIgY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHnYlORpL5Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQxjtCih6lY

>>85026303
How boring. They sound exactly the same as everything else. Which proves my point that everyone and everything is the same.

>>85026291
Fuck off.

>>85026323
Are you saying this because you're maintaing your narrative? Because it's all the same narrative since we're all the same boring husk.

>>85023635

It doesnt, but you have >>85023500 who sperg out at any female character or can't empathize with any character that's different from them.

>>85026057
As opposed to super powerful girl characters for girls to identify with? Does he hate masculinity because he is ugly and weak or something?

>>85026342
I have no involvement in your argument. That's why I'm telling you to fuck off.

>>85026364
Beta cucks like him gave up on his gender long ago.

>>85026394
You do since all arguments are the same.

>>85026364
>>85026404
Again, remember the show he writes for.

>>85026303
Holy shit, this is fucking awful.
And I like how you're not proving me wrong that women are worthless trash, by posting only music instead of inventions or great pieces of literature which are much harder to create than music.
>HURR COLLABORATIVE MEANS UNCREATIVE STEALING
You're a retard, as expected of a white knight.

>>85026404
all the genders are the same since we are all the same

>>85026429
who care? the music is exactly the same as everyone else because we are all the same boring bland husk of a personality. which there is none.

>>85026263
Watch any movie with Zoey Deschanel, or see Ramona Flowers' character in Scott Pilgrim. Basically, the "quirky" girl who does things on a whim, damn the consequences, and pulls the main character out of their rut.

They're bad because those people don't exist in real life, or if they do they're a hot mess, and they're almost never portrayed that way. Manic Pixie Dream Girls fuck off to the other side of the country because that's what they want. They go out to the park rather than showing up to their job. They're usually clueless when it comes to dealing with other people because they're so self-focused that they can't empathize with others correctly. Essentially they're just a whirlwind of color and noise, and most authors don't bother to show any depth to the character.

>>85026406
Link to the post where I involved myself in your argument.

>>85026354
Nice try, but I don't empathize with any characters. It's simply not needed unless you are a self-inserting faggot, which I'm not.

>>85026472
when you decided to answer me. you're arguing that i shouldn't be responding, and i'm arguing that my opinion is important as everyone elses, which is the same since we are all the same.

>>85026509
Ok, so you can't show that I ever involved myself in your argument. Now fuck off.

>>85026505
You don't emphasize because you know that every character, like everyone else in the planet, is the exact same person, with one personality and one viewpoint; me me me.

>>85026531
You are arguing right now. And you're now involved. And since all arugments are exactly the same, you are involved in the argument.

>>85024145

I'm wondering if anyone who makes this argument does, because it's the same brainless r9k shit every time.

People in the real world come in all types, I've known men who act like high school alpha bitches or women that are more masculine than most men. Same goes double for fiction, which people really need to stop injecting their issues into and just let writers write what they want.

The world would be a much better place if every baby born with a vagina got drowned in the nearest lake.

The world would be better if everyone died at the exact moment they were born. We are all the same, anyway

>>85026575
Fuck off.

>>85026598
>>85026614
The world's better if both of you fucked each other, two men fucking each other and arguing while at the same time killing each other.

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>>85023500

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>>85026598
>>85026614
It's a moment of pure belief.

>>85026618
you're arguing that i should fuck off, and since all arguments are the same, you should also fuck off.

>>85026666
Fuck off.