can we just agree that this is reddit the show?

>>85007250
No, the show is actually funny.

Fuck off, this is the best show on tv right now.

>>85007250
Sorry for not getting but... how? Legit question

>>85007250
Show is good, couldn't care less bout people who don't like it

>>85007250
fuck off nigger i hope you die

>>85007250
You got to gooooooo.

>>85007292
Saying Rick and Morty is Reddit The Show is a meme now. This is what passes for memes. This is where we're at now.

>>85007464
I like to think of it that we're in the New Meme Era, or Meme Renaissance
A time when people try to meme everything they can just for the sake of memes, just look at how quickly "dat boi" spread, and also how quickly it died out, because it was pretty much nothing
but people didn't care that it was nothing, because it was something new to meme, so they bandwaggoned it either way

>>85007475
ironic shitposting is still shitposting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qo6MICQZZsc

This is the only episode I've ever seen and so far I like it.

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>>85007250

If we can call agree this is 4chan the show, sure, I'll get on board with that.

I just can't get over how disappointing Interdimensional Cable 2 was. The first was my favorite episode, but 2 was just so phoned in and bland and all the humor came from making up funny words. It's a horrible sign when the Beth and Jerry b-plot is more interesting.

>>85008296
They should have saved this for the next Interdimensional Cable and have it be the only show they watched.

>>85008378
Same. There were a few instances where I thought, hey, I might chuckle from this. But I didn't chuckle.

>>85007250
No, but the second season really lost me.. the magic is gone.. ill just wait another decade for new venture bros.

>>85007250
>Season 1
No
>Season 2
Yes

>>85008836
Great. Now a shitty meme is latching on a good show. Good job /co/. Good job.
>inb4 reddit
But you're probably gonna say it anyway.

rick and marty is leddit the show,
stephen galaxy is tumblr the show.
what is 4chan the show?

>>85007250
fuck off justin

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>>85009354
nutshack

>>85009348
Reddit

>>85009473
looks like shit.

>>85009515
9gag

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>>85009533
I know right. It's perfect for 4chan.

>>85009354
Totally Spies?

>>85009736
Dan Vs?

>>85008296
Well that was much better than Interdimensional Cable 2. They didn't put any effort at all into that episode and they appear to be playing it off as a metajoke that it wasn't supposed to be good because it's rehashing the same idea.

They're just faggots.

I hate this fucking meme.
Its not a funny meme, its a fucking Richard Dawkins/MGS2:Sons of Liberty type of meme where its just a legit virus.

>>85007250
This doesn't sound like Reddit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=litpi9ZU6pE

>>85012868
I LOVE YOU BAD MO-MO

>>85007250
Reddit fucking loves Rick and Morty. They love it so much that you will be downvoted if you dare say anything less than positive about the show. Like they think it's so deep and that it's one of the greatest animated shows to ever air. So yeah, maybe it is Reddit: The Show.

>>85009251
That's not entirely true.
Small sub-reddits about topics I enjoy that I've seem are...alright.
But the entire website reeks of fucking hivemind and whoring for attention in the form of karma or gold or whatever the fuck it is you get.
4chan may be shit, but if the first post is shit, everybody has to see it or skip it.
If you say what people don't like on Reddit, they are able to vote it out of the way, regardless of if it's quality or not.
It's like combing 4chan and facebook together. It's not as terrible as retards like to say, but there is certainly plenty to criticize about it.

>>85007864
It's more of a Memedieval time, where everything is stagnant and everyone is fighting for meaningless Internet points

>>85007250
So how does everyone feel about this clip?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXB988kF3hI

"I'm 16 and my humor is fucking superior" ass show

>>85014821
The first half is a pretty standard bureaucracy joke while the second half is almost literally just "suck my dick" and imo isn't funny

>>85015088
Well, it's a dubbed arraignment transcript from a Georgia court

>>85015137
Haha, wow. That explains why the dialogue didn't feel right.

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>>85014821
>>85015137

>>85009354
Bojack Horseman

>>85009354
My Little Pony

>>85007250
So you're saying it was 4chan: the show at some point?

>>85007475
reddit IS bad.

Just like stupid fucking threads like this that the mods never delete.

No.

I personally can't stand the voices and the art/character designs though.

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Its got that thing the new ghost busters did where the scientist doesnt act at all intellectual or smart just makes funny burp and fart noises and cusses at everyone

>>85014736
It an interesting thought, but it would require us to have had meme movement in the past that meant Shit. Are you saying that rage comics were memepire?

>>85007292
Shit memes.

>>85015849
It's a big site, with good and bad.

>>85009354
duckman

>>85016349
Mostly bad. There's also the way the site operates with the upvote/downvote system which is garbage.

I miss the days when 4chan knew it was the worst.

>>85009473
IT'S

>>85016282
Sort of? I'm not going to say ancient memes like rage comics were great but some of them at least encouraged original content that made sense as opposed to a frog on a unicycle and however many nonsensical edits people could make. It's like nowadays memes are just "holds up spork" levels of randomness. There's no rhyme or reason why something is a meme or continues to be a meme other than people want it to be. All memes are forced memes.

gotta get a grip, I'm taking memes too seriously

>>85016434
By 4chan you mean, what board?

>>85016377
This one is actually perfect.

>>85007250
>Every episode is as edgy as possible to appease Reddit Edgelords who have no sense of self awareness
>Constant "Le God is dead" atheism pushed in face
>Obvious Libertarian agenda with the last S2 ep pushing it so hard with Rick fighting the Galactic Government and losing
Why are people so quick to announce when a show is obviously tumblr but when the Reddit-tier baggage is obnoxiously dangled they cannot see it?

>>85009354
These two
>>85015440
>>85015801

>>85017320
>Look mom, I said edgy again!

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I don't think even the faggots that say that actually understand what that means. It's like this abusively retarded blank statement, void of any substance or meaning. And I haven't even watch Rick and Morty.

>>85017370
>look Mom I made a cartoon where people are beheaded and ripped apart, crushed to death, choked into blood and pulp and random children are murdered for shock value! Aren't I so COOL AND AWESOME XD!
Shutup Rolland

>>85017592
It must suck being so sensitive.

>>85017445
No trust me it's reddit. From the episode giving long preechy speeches bashing religion to the Government, to the prickery assholeishness of the main gary sue character whose somehow justified in everything he does and gets away with it to show how 'right' he is, to the circle jerky nature of the show regurgitating it's own themes and going far up it's own ass. It's Reddit personified.

Like you know how Bojack is a show centered around depression for depressed people to wallow in?

Rick and Morty is a show about narcissism for narcissist to wallow in and wank themselves off so they can feed into their own ego. It's masturbatory ego-maniacal garbage.

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>>85016377
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>>85017623
Nah Rick and Morty just sucks.

South Park shows violence for comedy cause it's funny.
Superjail shows gore for the trippy visuals and chaotic plots.

But Rick and Morty just does it to be as edgy and shocking as possible. It's like a 12 year old trying to seem 'adult' by scribbling people getting stabbed. Honestly I'd rate it as no better than Mr. Pickles but with more forced ideology pandering stuffed in.

>>85007250
It can't be Reddit the show.. It's too problematic.

>>85008296
Sadly maybe not an episode. Its just a skit they made where they re-enact a Georgia court hearing based on the transcript.

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>>85016166
good one

>>85017633
That basically just sounds like modern Family Guy.

Which isn't that bad honestly but just plain mediocre.

>>85017633
So Reddit is some kind of temple for ultra criticism and to people just question all the status quo and make fun of the norms and rules, while at the same time, for some reason, being a prickery asshole that is always justified?

>>85016166
I'm not defending the new Ghsotbusters here but have you ever actually met a scientist?

>>85017689
How is someone getting shot shot after trying to put his penis inside an aliens chest to replace his heart to show he's a good person not intended to be funny?

>>85017689
>South Park shows violence for comedy cause it's funny.
>Superjail shows gore for the trippy visuals and chaotic plots
>But Rick and Morty just does it to be as edgy and shocking as possible

I'm curious to know how you make these distinctions.

>>85017633
>It's masturbatory ego-maniacal garbage.
The best description of Rick and Morty I've ever heard.
If Steven Universe is tumblry FEELS porn, Rick and Morty is edgy anti-FEELS porn made to pander to edgelords and political extremist/self-proclaimed rebels. It's completely juvenile.

>>85007250
>can we just agree

how desperate are you for attention that you have to shitpost on the internet on a Saturday night?

>>85017689
I bet it also leaves you literally shaking.

R&M is intentionally made to be something that as many people as possible can 'get'. It panders. It recycles plots from blockbuster moves and sprinkles in pop culture so that everyone can think to themselves "I know that thing!"

It's not like say... Xavier: Renegade Angel which doesn't care at all if you get the references it makes. It doesn't MAKE SURE you get it like R&M does. It knows exactly what it is and it knows that it's better without dumbing itself down for the lowest common denominator.

>>85017724
Reddit is a website.
Calling it reddit is a way to compare the appeal and aesthetics of the show.

And those aesthetics are whiny self-entitled people who think too highly of themselves for their beliefs and bashing of others while circlejerkery and ignorance of others (Upvooted opinions :^) remains keenly ignored.

Basically pretentiousness.
>while at the same time, for some reason, being a prickery asshole that is always justified?
The show projects the universe, family, government, reality and systems of basically everything in the show as WRONG and bad and worth criticizing by the smart-ass Rick but Rick himself is never wrong nor is it even imaginable the show would criticize him. He's the author's mouth-piece and the audience (redditors) are supposed to self-insert as him.

The problem is he's written with as much self awareness as an Ayn Rand novel protagonist. Right along with the "giving long patronizing speechs to show I'm right and above thou from on high" which come off as ridiculous.

Ironic considering Libertarians and Objectivist are brothern on the political spectrum.

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>>85017749
>>85017744
It's not like barely any of Rick and Morty's deaths are that well choreographed or entertaining, the violence is just senseless.

So maybe the point is for it to appeal nihilistic and dark but IMO it comes off as rather pointless, thus 'Edgy'. There's very little comedy to it.

Like in this scene there's supposed to be in theory an eerie humor in burying a clone of yourself that just died horrifically but there's no comedic timing or tone put into it at all. I laughed at Spongebob when they buried the Health Inspector but R@M doesn't pull it off for anything but morbid sake.

>>85017859
Maybe the idea is that death is quick, gritty, and in fact pointless?

The show doesnt shy away from the fact that death is thing Rick is accustomed to. He's seen to much to be affected by it at this point like it does Morty.

Nah, it's probably just being edgy for edginess sake.

>>85017859
I think the problem with the humor is that it doesn't know when to pull it's stops and goes too dark. Like even with Family Guy you laugh at the violence because they're assholes and it's absurd, but Rick and Morty takes itself way too seriously.

>>85017820
I know I haven't watched it, but a character being an anarchist is just a character trait, you shouldn't get so personal about, unless everyone in the show acts the same way, then you know it's writer's projection and agenda pushing. By the way you described him he literally just seem like a tinfoil mad scientist type that doesn't trust anyone and is always going on about authority institutions poisoning the water or whatever.

>>85017881
R&M fans like this guy with rationalize away any criticism and convince themselves that any shortcomings actually make the show BETTER or DEEPER.

>>85017820
>Rick himself is never wrong nor is it even imaginable the show would criticize him

The show constantly criticizes Rick and portrays him as a poisonous influence on his family and friends. It pretty much pushes the fact that he's an asshole in your face every single episode, If you come away from the show thinking "I want to be like Rick" being a ledditor probably isn't your only problem

>>85016652
No keep it serious I want to see where this goes.
If rage comics=Rome then what the Fuck is loss

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>>85017902
>Like even with Family Guy you laugh at the violence
Yeah maybe if you're 6 and a sociopath? What part of it is funny nowadays.

>>85017920
And shitposters like this guy just want to say everything is edgy

>>85017965
I'm not the guy you responded to.

>>85008296
>>85014821
this isnt an episode, i guess it's some transcript from an actual court trial and they read it in rick and morty's voices and made an animatic to go along with it for sdcc

>>85017918
See now I could understand that, and in theory that could be really really funny.

The problem, the biggest problem with the show is the tone and how seriously it takes itself. None of the criticisms or political forth are put through actual jokes. It's not funny. There is a lot of slapstick and black humor around the show but it doesn't connect to the main character and his views or anything going on connecting with his actions.

Which makes me believe all the gore and shock-humor is only there to pad out the show. If it didn't exist you would basically have an old insane character acting like a prick to everyone and preaching his views nonstop without the shock and awe to break it up. It doesn't make fun of anyone or anything, it just references and preaches and comes off as incredibly lazy.

To it's credit a lot of the episodes are done IMPROV so it's not like the storyboarders or writers are always to blame, they let the VA crack up with a barebones script and try to sound funny to erratic results.

The show has no self-awareness.

>>85017995
Same thing

so when is season 3 airing?

>>85017923
>If you come away from the show thinking "I want to be like Rick"

I obviously don't. But the show very obviously pushes this with how often he wins, how little retribution he faces and how he's presented.
I cannot think of a single time before the end of the Season 2 Finale that his sociopathic behavior was ever truly called out and punished. Which would be fine on a show like Family Guy but R@M takes itself way too seriously.

It's like if South Park made Cartman the main character and tried to push you to like him without him ever getting punished.

>>85018040
>it's not Rick's fault he's an asshole. He's conflicted & broken. He's a nihilistic wreck! that's what makes R&M so good! It's DEEP

>>85007250
What does that even mean?

>>85018077
I agree with what you said even though you said it sarcastically

>>85009354
Drawn Together

It's okay.

>>85016609
THE

>>85007250

I just saw this show yesterday for the first time.

Since then I've watched every episode.

it's pretty good, some episodes are pretty shitty, but some are kinda funny. overall I like it.

How long until next season?


I haven't had a T.V. in 8 or so years.

any other shows that have come out in the last 8 years that I might like?

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>>85018077
Here's a good example of what I mean.
Rick once enslaved an entire universe to power his Car. The shoe demonstrates how individuals inside it have spent their entire lives just, serving him without justification. ("Work with extra steps")When they tried to liberate themselves he punishes them by going in their and pushing their shit in, eventually escaping. Everyone in that universe knows they have to keep working his walking machines and being his slave or he'll just destroy their entire universe and the billions of lifeforms with a petty shrug.

The comedy in this should arise from the fact that Rick is an insane psychopath and obviously that's pure evil. But rather than play that as a joke, the show instead frames and presents it with how "cool" Rick is for tricking and outwitting everyone inside so he can drive his car and go get icecream.

This is never brought up again. Later episodes try to paint him as heroic and sympathetic and other forced shit.. while countless "moments" like this are ignored just because it's cooler to have the self-insert mouthpiece character win and seem so COOL to leddit-minded viewers.

I mean if you're going to have a villain-protagonist you have to know how to atleast do it right. You cannot have the villain be a genocidal maniacal cunt every episode and expect to try to the viewers to sympathize with his views and speeches and how right he is, how he knows so much better than us.

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>>85018154
>You cannot have the villain be a genocidal maniacal cunt every episode and expect to try to the viewers to sympathize with his views and speeches and how right he is, how he knows so much better than us.

Rick is a fucking monster.

The show tries to show a heartless nihilist has a heart while ignoring when that clearly isn't the case.

>>85018040
>I obviously don't. But the show very obviously pushes this with how often he wins, how little retribution he faces and how he's presented.

most of his wins are against similar assholes, or are just him getting out of his zany adventures with his grandson alive.

>I cannot think of a single time before the end of the Season 2 Finale that his sociopathic behavior was ever truly called out and punished

the hot blue chick is one, and I wouldn't call him turning the whole world into monsters a win. sure, the show has an obvious theme but you are reading way too much into it

>Everyone in that universe knows they have to keep working his walking machines and being his slave or he'll just destroy their entire universe and the billions of lifeforms with a petty shrug.

everyone in that universe lives in happy ignorance apart from one asshole who is literally rick. and, once again, zany episodic adventures with his grandson

>>85018154

Someday I'll make MY own universe to power MY car. That'll show you. That'll show you all.

>>85018201
>>85018154
>>85018077
>>85018088
Be that as they may............

How does that make this show Reddit?
That just means the show doesn't know it's own damn tone and is too inconsistent.

>>85007285
>on tv right now
:^)

It has good episodes, but also terrible episodes, and the quality dropped off fairly quickly in season 2.

Morty goes from seeming to experience actual growth to being whacked back in with the idiot stick. The "emotional" moments come out of nowhere, and have no bearing on the rest of the show, adding about as much depth as the refraction of light. Plenty of the jokes are proper trash. LMAO hes called POOPYBUTTFACE. It's IRONICALLY SUPER STUPID HAHA. The quality of a shit script isn't improved one iota by the fact that it's improv. Using that as an excuse for shitty writing and lolsorandomness isn't even an argument, just an almost unrelated statement. Rick as a character only works while you like him. The "TINY RICK!" shouting was cringeworthy and once you pass a certain point almost everything he says becomes that. The show suffers from the forced B plot method of storytelling more than any other show I've seen, one of the plots usually being severely less funny and interesting than the other. Although saying that, I would honestly rather watch a random episode of Family Guy than watch the Purge episode again. It was THAT bad.

Overall, might watch next season if /co/ isn't in too much contention about the quality in the sure to be omnipresent threads.

>>85018223
>everyone in that universe lives in happy ignorance apart from one asshole who is literally rick

So that changes the fact that Rick clearly doesn't value life or anything at all? Which I guess is the point, okay sure fine he's an edgy nihilistic trainwreck so deep sure.
But like I said, if they want to make him a villain-protag the show cannot expect to make him a mouth-piece too. Not unless he was a mouth piece to things they were criticizing like one Cartman's speeches which is meant to be wrong. Instead they still expect you to self-insert as him and always side with his views.

The show could improve their comedy loads if they just
>Dropped all political justifications ever and stopped acting like putting speeches in Rick's mouth hold any weight
>Gave him some real resistance and Karma where he's actually hurt and punished comedically
Losing one world to monsters isn't so bad when he clearly doesn't care and can just hop to another universe.

>>85018291
I guess part of my main argument is, whatever potential the show has, for comedy, or entertainment, ect it squanders it on moralizing and the creator Rolland trying to stuff his political and social views into Rick and use the show as his personal Soap-box. Which is awful, it's jarring and takes you right out of it faster than any investment can be made.

I don't care or give a shit about Rick, why should I? Why should I be nodding off and agreeing with asshole who just blew up planets or mutated populations, or shot hundreds of people? How does someone that evil suddenly think they have room to talk about being on the side of right and moralizing others? It's senseless.

>>85018325
> Why should I be nodding off and agreeing with asshole who just blew up planets or mutated populations, or shot hundreds of people? How does someone that evil suddenly think they have room to talk about being on the side of right and moralizing others? It's senseless.

Because they might be right, regardless of what they've done

Separate the argument and the arguer

>>85018291
>Instead they still expect you to self-insert as him and always side with his views.

literally when, Rick is consistently shown to be an asshole that's a poisonous influence on just about everyone he is friends with.

>The show could improve their comedy loads if they just
>>Dropped all political justifications ever and stopped acting like putting speeches in Rick's mouth hold any weight
>>Gave him some real resistance and Karma where he's actually hurt and punished comedically

his speeches about how nothing matters and all that shit a shown to be hypocritical when he throws it all out the window and tries to kill himself and sacrifices himself for his family.

>>85018201
>The show tries to show a heartless nihilist has a heart

No
No it doesn't
RICK, and only Rick tries to convince you he has a heart. Because he's a narcissist and a manipulative morally broken character that somehow still has the gaul to attempt to feign having humanity.
You're just interpreting the show wrong bub

>>85018325
>I don't care or give a shit about Rick, why should I? Why should I be nodding off and agreeing with asshole who just blew up planets or mutated populations, or shot hundreds of people? How does someone that evil suddenly think they have room to talk about being on the side of right and moralizing others? It's senseless.

Do you just watch R&M solely to not enjoy it and assume that Rick, because he is the main character, is in the right all the time?

>>85018346
In a better written show he might be and maybe I could. In Rick and Morty where you can just see Roland writing what Pet-political issue he wanted to ramble about this week, I cannot, because the arguer is Rick and Rolland the argument just becomes irrelevant. Also because the entire ep is just staged in contrived insane ways to give credence to his views.

I have only seen first season and i liked it fine, not a greatest show on TV but enjoyable. Didn't really get some scenes, like that rape scene.

>>85007864

People are trying too hard to find the meme of our times, but are just producing short lived, uninspired, and inorganic attempts like dat boi. Trigglypuff is probably the closest we have come recently.

>>85018396
>like that rape scene.

wait when?

>>85018363
I'd like to just watch an entertaining show to laugh and enjoy it. Not to be persuaded my views are wrong and certainly not when it's done so poorly and bluntly.
>because he is the main character, is in the right all the time
I don't think he's right, but the show very clearly treats him like he is. It does it in cringe worthy ways sometimes by blowing up and killing dissenters + Smug Quip and Dreamworks grin from Rick after.

I think shows like Renegade Angel do it right because the character is clearly insane and his assholery is funny enough to draw a proper insane reaction. It's not verified as "JUST" with a quip and obnoxious smugness like Rick and Morty does. Any potential the show has is smothered by the fact that Rick is, the Main Character, the Self-Insert, the Author-Insert, the Mouth-Piece, but contradictory also the Villain who gets to have the last laugh at the end of nearly every episode.

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>>85017694
I'm actually animating that entire thing

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To the anons reading way too deep into this.

Have you watched Doctor Who?
Do you like Doctor Who?
Have you or have you not enjoyed the Doctors antics and adventures, and even sympathized with him?

Well guess what.
If so you're a fucking hypocrite.

>>85018420
The Jellybean my man

>>85007250
I want Reddit to leave or at least behave. And your argument are reddit tier.

>>85007250
>this is reddit the show
The fuck does that even mean?

>>85018460
Well. No to all your questions.

>>85018603
fourchan is a site full of flawless, mature, moral individuals who are upstanding examples of mankind worthy of being made into nazi propaganda and reddit is full of degenerate atheist edgelord sociopaths with autism. guess who unironically likes rick and morty?

>>85018154
>Everyone in that universe knows they have to keep working his walking machines and being his slave or he'll just destroy their entire universe and the billions of lifeforms with a petty shrug.
literally only one guy in that universe knows that they're inside a car battery, everyone else lives in ignorant bliss
>the show instead frames and presents it with how "cool" Rick is for tricking and outwitting everyone inside so he can drive his car and go get icecream.
If you think that the show is implying that what rick is doing is cool or in any way ok, then you are completely misreading this show. It's just that to Rick these things are completely ordinary, why wouldn't he create a universe to power his car? there's already infinite versions of our own universe anyway, what does it matter if this one universe powers ricks car? Of course to us singel minded humans this seems cruel and awful, but rick sees the big picture and knows that making the battery is the same as not making the battery, so he might as well.
>Later episodes try to paint him as heroic and sympathetic and other forced shit..
>heroic
>sympathetic
>rick
I don't think we've been watching the same show guy
> mean if you're going to have a villain-protagonist you have to know how to atleast do it right. You cannot have the villain be a genocidal maniacal cunt every episode and expect to try to the viewers to sympathize with his views and speeches and how right he is, how he knows so much better than us.
Except you totally can, as thousands of people who watch the show still sympathize with Rick even though he's a genocidal maniac

>>85018122
End

>>85009533
you're mistaken

>>85012845
Turn off your game console?

>>85017742
Yeah
Their jokes are much higher quality.

>>85018656
>Except you totally can
Why? That's mood whiplash to the max. It's like those Family Guy episodes that try to be "Deep" and serious when they show their usual sociopathic tone right after. It's just not believable.

>>85018656
>If you think that the show is implying that what rick is doing is cool or in any way ok

Okay maybe I phrased that wrong. But what I meant was the eps obviously don't sign out with Rick deep in guilt or regret or feeling negatively affected by anything in the show. The show his rivals and those-who-dared-disagree with him blown or up or killed, Morty and family "proved wrong" and Rick just being smug and drinking like always. This sort of tone and framing very obviously reinforces Rick's status as justified or atleast victorious in everything he's done and gotten away with.

The only thing the show is missing half the time is Rick turning to the camera with a wink to the audience saying "Psst.. nothin personal kid" before he kills whatever character was supposed to represent his views and arguments advocate that episode in typical Rick and Morty fashion. It's dangerously close to that.

>>85018757
That's the point. He has the powers to destroy worlds and he's in a constant battle to not kill himself (which he tries several times including once we see on the show). Furthermore everyone around him is a complete idiot compared to him intelligence wise, but the only other people who are as smart as him is just alt verions of himself and he cant stand many of them either.

>>85018757
Ugh I'm way tired.

The only thing the show is missing half the time is Rick turning to the camera with a wink to the audience right after the scene with him saying "Psst.. nothin personal kid", before he kills whatever character in typical Rick and Morty fashion which was supposed to represent the opposition to his views and arguments having played advocate that episode.

>>85018773
What's the point exactly? Is it to make me hate him?
There are characters like Farnsworth who has the power to destroy worlds and is smarter than everyone around him, but he's written funny and not like a smug selfish self-insert that I want to strangle.

>>85018808
The point is he hates himself.
Why should you hate him?

But he knows there's no point because even if he kills himself infinite versions of him exist, so there's no point even in that. It goes so deep beyond nihilism.

>>85018808
Just one question: what do you think of stevens universe?

>>85018757
You know Rick has tried to kill himself at least twice over the course of some episodes? You need to be deliberately disregarding or taking out of context how the show treats Rick.

He isnt some super happy, content, always winning untouchable god character. He's a fucking miserable alcoholic borderline psychotic asshole that clearly has a ton of baggage and suffers as a result of it. It doesnt paint him in a wholly sympathetic light, that you're supposed to agree with or admire him. He may "win" a lot of the time against his adversaries but in the end what does it actually do for him? He's still set up as this jaded genius surrounded by people too stupid for him ever to relate to, he's still a divorced, unemployed, asshole living in his daughters home.

>>85018820
I think it's a pretty mediocre show, very much over-rated and if it airred sometime in early 2000's wouldn't really be considered all that great. They've got some pretty backgrounds and cool characters. The crying and whining annoys the fuck out of me and Sugar cannot write believable drama or conflict to save her life. It feels almost like a fanfic to a much better show whereas the 'fanfic' we got is annoying soapy garbage that sucks out any substance from it. Peridot seemed more interesting when she was a sociopath and not whiny turd. The character design of the newest Woolie gem hurts my eyes.

Also the pilot was much better.

It could've been an amazing 80's aesthetic cartoon done like the pilot but we got something kinda garbage.

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I want to like the show, but I just cant. It just feels like every joke is forced or goes over the top trying to be super-wacky and unpredictable.
It feels like they took all the humor from a South Park episode but then didnt want to bother with the time to set up any of those jokes.
It feels like the same problem I have with Office Space. The humor falls flat for me amid all the characters trying so hard to be jerks or wacky over the top.

>>85018851
Guess it really just depends person to person. This humor is right up my alley, and i love south park and office space as well.

>>85018727
Because you don't have to 100 percent agree with a character's actions in order to sympathize with them or even like them, you just need to understand why they do what they do
Do you hate the show It's always sunny in Philadelphia as well? Those Characters are assholes to the max, yet people still like them.

>>85018757
>Rick needs to get his comeuppance for the terrible things that he does, he needs to feel guilt and regret and he needs to lose to people with opposite (my) points of view
Why? Rick is one of the most powerful beings in the multiverse, he knows for a fact that if he does something there will be infinite universes where he does the opposite of that, so ultimately doing the most selfish thing is probably the right way to go if you're rick, doing good will not be rewarded, there will still be infinite universes where your good was not done, same goes for evil acts. Selfishness is the way to go in the setting of the show.
Also what other viewpoints that rick blows away are you even talking about? That life matters or something? That episode where he dukes it out with the devil?

>>85018757
You're ignoring the fact that one of the major themes of the show is that there is no justice in the universe. Rick not being punished or feeling guilt isn't the show runners saying his actions are justified, it's them saying that bad deeds and bad people go unpunished all the time.

>>85018842
>>85018812
I can see that side of him as well. The problem is Comedy is derived from suffering, but the show's aspects that try to paint him as more intelligent or let him 'win' far out-weigh any suffering he goes through for it to really ever be funny or entertaining. He's not just a plain unpleasant person, he's one who tries to draw your sympathies through his unpleasantness and than pushes you away further through his actions but without any of the suffering made remotely funny.

Like there's no benefit to even feeling above him or disagreeing, nor seeing him in pain because he sucks all the joy out of that too and then brings it on himself and inflicts it on others a thousand fold. It's just a dark joyless tone that feels impossible to relate to or take anything from.

>>85018861
>It's always sunny in Philadelphia as well

Yeah..kinda? I hate that show. Or atleast cannot enjoy it.
I'm not someone like Mr.Enter who hates all sociopathic comedy but, yeah I really cannot stand shows where no one is sympathetic or interesting and I cannot even enjoy laughing at them because their only trait is being an asshole.

Maybe it's just me than.

>>85018864
See there it goes again,
>IT'S SO DEEP
Saying what you just said is moralizing. It's trying to push some kind of high minded ideal or moral, however dark at the expense of any real value or entertainment.

I'm already jaded and nihilistic enough, with a wicked sense of humor. He doesn't need to be punished because of 'justice' in the universe.

He needs to be punished because it's funny and seeing an asshole win all the time is annoying and unfunny unless he's actually somehow funny doing it. (Rick is not, or I don't find him so. Not like Xavier from Renegade Angel or Larry David from Curb your Enthusiasm)

>>85018940
>He needs to be punished because it's funny and seeing an asshole win all the time is annoying and unfunny unless he's actually somehow funny doing it.
Reminds me of Billy and Mandy and what Mandy eventually devolved into.

>>85018996
Or Megan from Drake and Josh.

>>85018428
better show Riddley or Justin your work so they can give you the clean audio.

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>>85018940
>He needs to be punished because it's funny and seeing an asshole win all the time is annoying and unfunny unless he's actually somehow funny doing it. (Rick is not, or I don't find him so

how is your head so far up your own ass? this entire post is you saying that the moral of the say is bad and therefore not funny, and not once do you offer any legitimate criticism. you should feel bad for having such bad opinions. if you don't find it funny or entertaining that's fine, but if you can't realize that its a shallow cartoon intended for entertainment you are a massive faggot, nobody asked you to take it's messages to heart, in fact, the show itself tells you to not.

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>>85007250
/tv/ needs to fuck off.
their stupid ass memes always poison the fucking website. from bane posting, to abusing the work cuck, to using the word kino. fuck off with "reddit the show? "
Just post any show and its reddit the show. fuck reddit, fuck you , and fuck you again for spamming this meme phrase. Get a need a hobby that isn't as pointless as this fucking website.

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>>85017939
Rage Comics is not Rome, they are the remains of a less civilized time
they were really influential in their time, but they were very simple and repetitive, rarely ever giving good content

Loss is a big thing, but it never achieved the widespread acknowledge that rage Comics, and FBF and other things got, probably because there was too much story behind it for most to care. But even so, it still lives on among the few that cares and is constantly generating more content.
I don't want to sound like an ass, but that sounds like one of the epic stories like the Odyssey. Though maybe not so big, so maybe compare it to one of the smaller ones

>>85018940
> It's trying to push some kind of high minded ideal or moral, however dark at the expense of any real value or entertainment.
I personally think that a show openly having the integral injustice of the universe being one of it's major themes is pretty funny
>real value or entertainment
Who the fuck are you to say what real value and entertainment are? I think that nihilism is entertaining and funny and so do lots of other people

>He needs to be punished because it's funny
It's not funny though, we've already seen the asshole get punished in basically every show ever made

>seeing an asshole win all the time is annoying and unfunny
No it's definitely not, in fact it's great fun seeing assholes win in tv shows, as most of the time it's the good guys that win or there is at least some ham fisted moral message about loving your family or some boring shit like that at the end, I don't have to worry about seeing any of that good guy crap when I'm watching rick and morty, just good old fashion unfairness and meaninglessness

>>85019093
> this entire post is you saying that the moral of the say is bad
I'm just going to have to read in by what you meant by this and read your atrocious grammar, but my post was me saying that moral was bad because it was unfunny.

It's a comedy cartoon about a wacky drunk scientist. It shouldn't try to have "morals", it should have jokes. Why do all R@M fags act like it's this ultra-deep mind-blowing revolutionary show?

> but if you can't realize that its a shallow cartoon intended for entertainment you are a massive faggot
My criticism is precisely that the show itself cannot realize or accept this and tries to be something else and take itself way more seriously than a shallow funny cartoon that I could actually enjoy.

If I wanted to have my mind blown with philosophy and morals I'd go watch a pretentious anime or read actual Literature. R@M cannot stick to what it's trying to do.

>the show itself tells you to not
Why not just not place them there in the first place kk?

>>85018920
>Not liking IASIP
Well I guess it is just you,
I mean fair enough we've all got our opinions but yours are just bad and you should feel bad

>>85019085
Not sure how to contact them, would love to get my hands on that audio though

>>85019185

>but my post was me saying that moral was bad because it was unfunny.

what do you mean by this? I'm going to assume you don't think that if it was in fact funny, Rick would be justified, but I'm not entirely sure

>Why do all R@M fags act like it's this ultra-deep mind-blowing revolutionary show

you acknowledged i said the opposite of this, why do you need to say that?

>My criticism is precisely that the show itself cannot realize or accept this and tries to be something else and take itself way more seriously

my point is that the show has a theme, but you blow this theme out of proportion and make it seem like atheist propaganda or some shit

>Why not just not place them there in the first place kk?

what did you mean by this? if you meant why not make the show about a Rick that isn't an uncaring asshole, whats the point of the show? it is what it is, and what it is is a show about a mad scientist Grandpa and his Grandson going on wacky adventures

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>>85019160
I disagree with your entire post and here's why. Cruelty, meaningless and nihilism isn't inherently funny. It can stage and setup jokes or punchlines but by themselves are an edgy grimdark equivalent to LOLSORANDOM XD humor but with more blood and guts.

The Joker in this panel puts it best.

>>85007250
Nope, I hate this fucking meme, how a website can represents a cartoon or whatever ? By the way, Rick and Morty is hilarious, so it deserves its popularity.

>>85019269
>what do you mean by this? I'm going to assume you don't think that if it was in fact funny, Rick would be justified, but I'm not entirely sure

Rick would be justified doing absolutely anything for the viewer if it was funny enough or entertaining. When it comes to a comedy the darker you go with a character the more payoff you'll need to sort of justify the senselessness of their actions.

But Rick is played straight as an alcoholic broken miserably bore we're supposed to pity and not laugh at. The pity drawn for sympathy, not laughs.

Even if the moral is "There is no justice in the Universe!" if it works to absolve Rick of all blame rather than an excuse for him to get away with comedic sociopathy, what's the point? And more importantly how does that point benefit the show if I'm being told a ham-fisted lesson on morality in 24 minute tacky cartoon.

>why do you need to say that?
Because I hear "RICK AND MORTY IS THE BEST CARTOON SHOW AIRRING NOW AND EVER" and the praise I always hear from it is ridiculous.

>
my point is that the show has a theme, but you blow this theme out of proportion and make it seem like atheist propaganda or some shit
Because it kinda is? I don't care what the themes are but when they interfere with the show's entertainment value and become nothing more than a soapbox that shit's bad. The point of absolving Rick's character is to support the theme, because if he lost constantly, got shat on and humiliated and suffered every episode he'd lose "COOL points" credibility and lose points for his audio blog everytime Rolland- I mean he opens his mouth to speak.

>what did you mean by this? if you meant why not make the show about a Rick that isn't an uncaring asshole, whats the point of the show?
No I meant the moral 'put in' was about justice being unequivocal. That's fine and fair and dandy but about as deep as say, Billy and Mandy or Jimmy Two Shoes. It serves their shows because it's an excuse.

>>85019269
>f you meant why not make the show about a Rick that isn't an uncaring asshole
It's more like I'd rather he be an uncaring asshole who actually gets treated like an uncaring asshole so the show can make jokes about it or actually have a point.

Rick never loses control or is not in charge and in power even for second. He cannot suffer or be humbled or lessened or things required to actually make a crack at him, and those are things all required to make jokes.

You cannot have comedy without suffering. But the show tries to circumnavigate this by just making the multiverse suffer for his existence while giving him the 'Psst nothing personal kid' treatment to everyone else. That doesn't really work.

tl;dr Rick's an asshole but not even a funny asshole. Because the show takes him way too seriously and letting him be funny would interfere with it's agenda and messages.

>>85019318
I think everything is inherently funny, you just have to reach out and grab the funnyness out of those themes, which is what Rick and Morty does. Nihilism is just the backdrop for the comedy to play off off, also it's not always played for laughs either.
Killing that guy could very well be funny if the Joker tried hard enough.

>>85019400
you don't watch the show, do you? Rick literally tries to kill himself after his ex girlfriend tells him he is a bad influence on her

>>85019400
Rick never loses control or is not in charge and in power even for second. He cannot suffer or be humbled or lessened or things required to actually make a crack at him,
Wubabalubbadubdub literally means I am in great pain, please help me. How is Rick not suffering?

>>85019472
>>85019482
ANGST isn't exactly the same as suffering. I can write a story about a tumblry fat girl who is so DEPRESSED all the time, is that funny in itself?

Rick's problem is he brings all his problems on himself, but virtue of his status as lead character/self-insert/author avatar/Soapbox he cannot be called out on it.

Sure he drinks and mopes and gets suicidal. But you'll never see him naked pissing and drinking his pee like Bojack or in genuine humiliation. The point always has to remain that Rick is on top of the world (Despite being depressed), and that's final.

If anything it weirdly is like the tumblr girl example. He's a Gary Sue whose superficial issues distract from the fact that the world revolves around him.

>>85016282
Rage comics are literally the falling Rome of memes. You obviously haven't lived through the meme eras of Caesar or Octavian like I have.

>>85019539
Bojack: fails his dreams, stays depressed, does increasingly self destructive things and attempts suicide, good character

Rick:Gets rejected, stays depressed, does increasingly self destructive things and attempts suicide, bad character

>>85019318
Anything can be inherently funny, it's a matter of perspective. Comedy is an artform, it's subjective. I'm fucking sick of pseudo intellectuals like you acting like there can ever be an absolute authority on this shit.

>>85019379
>>85019400
I need to find out what Rick and Morty you're watching, because it definitely aint this one.

>>85019379
>When it comes to a comedy the darker you go with a character the more payoff you'll need to sort of justify the senselessness of their actions.
According to who? You? Ricks actions are not senseless at all, they make perfect sense within the confines of the show

>Even if the moral is "There is no justice in the Universe!" if it works to absolve Rick of all blame rather than an excuse for him to get away with comedic sociopathy, what's the point? And more importantly how does that point benefit the show if I'm being told a ham-fisted lesson on morality in 24 minute tacky cartoon.
The point is that there is no point dipshit, Rick can do what he wants because he has all the power, which is what ultimately decides on what is justice or injustice. You keep hammering on about moral lessons and soapboxes or whatever, but these things in the show are just themes, you don't have to agree with them, R&M isn't trying to teach you stuff, it's not a fucking cartoon for 6 year olds, it's just exploring themes.
>Because it kinda is?
No it's not, you don't have to agree or believe everything Rick says and does, the show is just about trippy sci-fi concepts and ideas and it tries to explore those through comedy. Rick prays to god in one episode, while he stated that god doesn't exist in another. You're not supposed to take everything in this show so seriously.
>because if he lost constantly, got shat on and humiliated and suffered every episode he'd lose "COOL points" credibility and lose points for his audio blog everytime Rolland- I mean he opens his mouth to speak.
If Rick lost constantly or got humiliated all the time the show would be very unfunny/uninteresting, the point of Rick is that he is one of the most powerful beings in existence and that makes him utterly isolated. If he were to get defeated or humiliated like some average shmoe what would be the point of him being Rick? then he's just some scientist that get's his ass beat

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I don't understand what people mean when they say that. When people say shit like
>tumblr the show
Or
>4chan the show
It actually makes sense, tumblr and 4chan are well known to hold particular views or push certain agendas (more so tumblr)

But Reddit the show? What the fuck does that mean? I only ever go on Reddit when I google something and there is a discussion about said question on Resdit as one of the first few links. So maybe I just don't know enough about Reddit, but I don't think there is a real reason to back that statement up

>>85019539
Rick is on top of the world because he's so smart. And you know what they say, it's lonely at the top? This pretty much sums up Rick. For all his aloof genius bullshit it doesnt help him. He's a miserable wreck who barely manages to find moments of fun or happiness in his shitty life.

>>85019634
Oh and you know what's funny? Saying anything can be funny is pretty degrading to the structure and artform of art.

And with art, not anything can be good art, effective art that communicates its purpose. You sound like a PoMo tumblr whale going "Any art is good art how dare you be an authority on my Cal Arts noodle-limbs" when you don't know anything about anatomy, structure or real art to apply it, but here for Comedy.

>>85019676
So can someone please explain to me what Reddit the Show means? What makes a show Reddit?

>>85019689
>Saying anything can be funny is pretty degrading to the structure and artform of art.
So was dadaism.

>>85019689
Now you sound the one that's triggered. Ironic. And no it isnt, if at all it's still less than someone trying to absolutely quantify art.

>>85019689
anything CAN BE funny
Art is just something that we made up dude, there's no integral definition as to what is good and bad art, it's all in our minds.
Of course high art and anatomy and all that stuff is all important and stuff, but at the end of the day it is just opinion against opnion

A show that has an episode as good as Total Rickall can't be reddit the show

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>>85019689
>The artform of art

>>85019628
If Rick and Dickies followed Bojack's line of logic he'd lose his family and Morty a long time ago and have been left to his own misery to get drunk in a ball-pit while falling into one perilous miserable situation to the next.

But he doesn't.
And he cannot, he has Science™ powers to prep himself up against basically any loss ever, so what's the deal? He has no obstacles and no real problems, other than his own internal issues.

This could be argued similar to Bojack, who is rich, but Bojack doesn't have nearly the same pull on reality that Rick does or he'd Science™ himself an Oscar and Movie Role and Love life.

Obscuring this is the fact that all of Rick's problems, external or not are pathetically rooted in Rolland's motifs. Thus it basically comes down to
>Ablooablooabloo I'm so smart and great but the universe is full of idiots and religion exists and my family are ignorant sucks a-a-and the big bad mean space government exists!
Sound familiar, Reddit?

>Rick can do what he wants because he has all the power, which is what ultimately decides on what is justice or injustice
And you don't see how that line of storytelling completely nullifies any ability for a viewer to give a shit?

>you don't have to agree with them
It's not about agreement. It's about how they serve the show's structure and they don't. I'm sure the themes were chosen one way or another for some reason, but they don't do it's format and sociopathic comedy style justice.

I wouldn't watch Larry David or Seinfield if everyone was okay with them being assholes and ignored it.. what's the point?

>If Rick lost constantly or got humiliated all the time the show would be very unfunny/uninteresting, the point of Rick is that he is one of the most powerful beings in existence and that makes him utterly isolated.
This just reads as
>You don't understand sure he's powerful but he's so DEPRESSSSSED
Which, from a narrative standpoint, isn't funny.

>>85019707
>What makes a show Reddit?
When I don't like it.

>>85019663
>If he were to get defeated or humiliated like some average shmoe what would be the point of him being Rick? then he's just some scientist that get's his ass beat

He'd be Bojack or Farnsworth with actual limitations and faults and we could laugh at him when he gets smitten for his hubris or feel some minor sense of triumph and sympathy when he wins. That's funnier to me than some asshole whose basically god and biggest issue is he has a moral quandary and existential angst. Less thought provoking sure, but far more funny.

>>85019677
He's Reddit!Smart. All his wisdom is actually just snarky pretentious statements made to polarize and create controversy.
The rest is Science™ magic.
If he was actually intelligent he could surely find a way to be happy and use his science to complete himself in life. So the miserable wreck shit feels forced. Let me put it this way anon;

Imagine a show about Mitzy the Magical girl! She has a wand and unlimited magical power and is sent to a human Highschool. She lives with her love interest (one sides from him) and has to fight demons who aren't even really a threat to her at all, in fact nothing is. She's the reincarnation of a goddess and actually all powerful- but, even with her power she cannot figure out what to do with it or dodge responsibility, so she gets super duper DEPRESSED. She's just like, SOOO important and SOOO powerful, and even worse, everyone just LOVES her! Cannot you see how horrible and lonely, even depressing her crippling existence is? She can hop to other universes too but her parents want her to be a perfect good daughter and give un-ending love and support and all her friends love her and she can have any boy she wanted (Magically or through natural means), so it's JUST NOT FAIR for her. Woe is Mitzy.

Does that sound like a compelling, well thought out premise for a series to you? Why or why not?

>>85019737
Dadaism was SHITPOSTING, the artform.

Are you trying to tell me Rick and Morty is SHITPOSTING, the comedy? I'm pretty sure Brad Neely's Harg Nallin' Sclopio Peepio's fits that role better.

>>85019901
>He's Reddit!Smart. All his wisdom is actually just snarky pretentious statements made to polarize and create controversy.
I basically never ever visit Reddit unless it's the only place someone is discussing something I Googled, but I'm pretty sure you just described the entire Internet.

>>85019901
Wisdom is not the same as intelligence.

And Rick's science magic isnt all powerful, he can make mistakes and doesnt in fact know everything. As evidenced by Rick Potion #9.

>>85019803
Have you ever read One Punchman, by chance?
You don't seem to understand the kind of humor Rick and Morty is going for.

>>85019901
>If he was actually intelligent he could surely find a way to be happy and use his science to complete himself in life. So the miserable wreck shit feels forced.
I think that's more to do with wisdom than just intelligence.

There's many different kinds of intelligence and Rick isn't the one that goes along with making wise choices, he just knows a lot of things and is reckless enough to manipulate them in dangerous ways.

>>85019689
Are you one of those people that get really angry if people call most things art, like a doodle or some crappy film? Like there has to be some strict criteria for something to then become capital A "Art?"

>>85019935
I was actually just thinking of that as a good counter-example to him. Because that sounds exactly like what he was describing. Character is overpowered to comedic levels, loses all meaningful conflict, and now exists in a largely emotionally damaged/dead space.

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>>85019901
Ahahahahha, are you kidding me man?

I'd say the premise to that series sounds amazing and I'd love to watch it. In fact it's so popular Anime has re-used it for decades (Ever read Sailor Moon or Ah My Goddess!)
I mean geez, if only an American show could demonstrate to us what they'd be like? I'll give you a hint, it's CUTE and PERFECT.

>>85007250
It's a show with Reddit tendencies, yeah.

>>85019901
>everyone just LOVES her!
I read your retarded paragraph for laughs to see if there were any dank memes in there and was disappointed. But your bad comparison definitely falls apart here.

>>85019953
It doesn't work because Star isn't depressed.

>>85016300
But those don't exist. You fuckers keep pulling shit out of your ass.

>>85017689
>implying modern south park is funny

>>85019986
Last season was pretty funny fampai.

>>85019951
I only get really stingy when people try to stretch the definition in an argument. Art has structure. Comedy has structure.
Dada is a form of art, just like Parody and Improv are forms of comedy.

But the structure of art and comedy don't necessarily encompass art or comedy. It's like trying to describe a house by the furniture inside it.

>>85019953
You missed the point of that hypothetical. It would only be true if in Star vs or Sailor Moon, the girl was depressed and miserable all the time, which would suck out all the joy out of actually watching the series in the first place.

>>85009354
Are you guys forgetting that the MLP fandom started on here, /co/?

>>85019901
>He'd be Bojack or Farnsworth with actual limitations and faults
Yes because Rick obviously has zero limitations and faults, that's why there is no conflict in any of the episodes or why Morty never has to rescue his ass on several occasions.

>SOOO important and SOOO powerful, and even worse, everyone just LOVES her!
I mean your comparison was pretty dumb from the start, this is where it completely falls apart
Rick is actually of zero importance, despite his vast intellect, at the end of the day he is just as "important" as anybody else in the universe, meaning not at all and nobody really loves rick besides maybe morty and beth, did you even watch this show m8?

>>85019959
Love = Hate
They're two sides of the same coin and ultimately similar
You can replace either and the comparison works. Here have scientific proof:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/scientists-prove-it-really-is-a-thin-line-between-love-and-hate-976901.html

http://www.longhornlifeonline.com/features/2014/02/love-and-hate-almost-one-and-same

http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/psysociety/love-hate-what-s-the-difference/

Regardless replace Love with Hate and the presentation still stands as completely obnoxious.

>>85019803
>I wouldn't watch Larry David or Seinfield if everyone was okay with them being assholes and ignored it.. what's the point?

But Rick is constantly being called on it, by literally everyone. you keep coming back to this but Rick is always getting called out on it, apart from beth, who's inability to deal with the possibility of Rick leaving is one of her character flaws

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>>85019969
>>85020001
>It doesn't work because Star isn't depressed.
>which would suck out all the joy out of actually watching the series in the first place.

I find this whole scenario falls apart because you're just assuming what is and isn't entertainment.

Seriously, fuck you. I'd watch the hell out of a depressed Magical Girl show where the MC is a huge sad fuckup with unlimited magical power. I think a lot of people would actually, who are you to say it'd be bad?

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>>85020025
And you'd still be wrong because Rick isnt unanimously loved or hated by everyone. Accept that it was a retarded thing to try and shoehorn into your crappy comparison.

>>85008359
Jesus, what fucking trash. Warning to anybody about to watch. It was created by Smosh's creative team.

>>85020022
>Rick is actually of zero importance
He's important enough that the entire Galactic Government wants him and he started a rebellion against them or some vaguely hinted at shit.

>meaning not at all and nobody really loves rick besides maybe morty and beth
Yeah yeah no one likes him.
But he's hated and notorious and gets around enough that he can fill basically any role in the show and that's where the comparison fits in. He's wanted by aliens for his tech who want to get inside his brain. He's buddy buddy with assassins, he has an entire Council of himself from around the multiverse black-listing him. The important thing is that HE is still important in the show's focus, even beyond the scheme of just being a main character.

>>85020040
>Seriously, fuck you. I'd watch the hell out of a depressed Magical Girl show where the MC is a huge sad fuckup with unlimited magical power. I think a lot of people would actually, who are you to say it'd be bad?
I'd watch that, too. Obviously depending on how well it was pulled off, but it sounds neat.

>>85020032
He's called out by his family who are his lesser and he can refute or ignore from the safety of his alcohol because they have no effect on his status whatsoever. It's not like he can suffer any real consequences from their criticism so they hold no weight, he holds all the power.

>>85020040
No you wouldn't, and if you would you have horrible shitty taste.
The whole point of that pitch was that in this show she's an all powerful Mary Sue but is still sad and DEPRESSED because she's too important and powerful and it gets boring for her, or rather she doesn't really have the maturity and rightful position to know what to do with that role. Every scene would be so forced, all the drama would be horrible, it would never work.

You'd be reading My Immortal basically. No, Twilight would be a better example. You'd be reading Magical Girl Twilight.

>>85020090
I'm weirdly imagining like a Magical girl series done by Hideaki Anno or the creator of FLCL, but some slice of life.

>>85020097
>The whole point of that pitch was that in this show she's an all powerful Mary Sue but is still sad and DEPRESSED because she's too important and powerful and it gets boring for her, or rather she doesn't really have the maturity and rightful position to know what to do with that role.

Yes... and? That sounds really interesting. Why would that be bad exactly? Don't just state your opinions, articulate why that's wrong when it sounds genuinely good and full of drama and potential.

>>85020097
>No you wouldn't, and if you would you have horrible shitty taste.
I'm really not seeing the problem here. A character is ridiculously overpowered to the point that most traditional show conflicts, like some sort of invading army, are completely meaningless, but they still struggle with the same mental and existential issues everyone else does.

>>85020117
It has to do with self-insertion. Complicated to explain but, by the first few episodes you'd want to strangle her because she could fix basically any problem with her Wand powers or go into Goddess mode, but wouldn't for some contrived reason. So all the drama and obstacles wouldn't feel genuine. The first anime you listed is a perfect example of why it'd be awful and wouldn't work.

Would you want to watch Magical Girl Shinji failing and fucking up the simplest task with unlimited power at her disposal? It'd just be depressing, and eventually infuriating to watch. I know people today that hate Neon Genesis precisely for this reason.

>>85020097
>Rick holds all the power
>When Beth literally allows him to even live in her families home.
Very first episode shows that in their family he has the least amount of clout. Sure he could go just about anywhere but that's not what he wants. He'd probably legit kill himself if he had to be divorced and separated from his family, the last thing keeping him together.

>>85020097

>he can refute or ignore from the safety of his alcohol because they have no effect on his status whatsoever.

His family lets him live in their garage and you're telling me that they don't possibly hold any power over him? Are you retarded or something?

>>85020140
>>When Beth literally allows him to even live in her families home
How is that a real problem? He can live anywhere in the entire Multiverse he wants. He can claim his own Planet or live inside his own universe that he creates, living in Beth's home is a complete non-issue.

>>85020163
Please read whole posts before replying.

>>85020133
>It has to do with self-insertion. Complicated to explain but, by the first few episodes you'd want to strangle her because she could fix basically any problem with her Wand powers or go into Goddess mode, but wouldn't for some contrived reason.
Not the guy you're arguing with, but what exactly is the problem here? You can have a show where all the external conflict is meaningless, but internally the characters still suffer from the same mental bullshit everyone else deals with. Hell, you can use it for great contrast, as someone is so amazingly in control when it comes to fighting off evil aliens, but simply trying to deal with ordinary human life drives them and everyone else up a wall.

>>85020179
Not him but i think the problem is that their "internal conflict bullshit" is completely fabricated from nothing. They have no real problems or issues that would make them feel that way, they just do.

And if that's enough to hold your interest than whatever but i think it'd get dull and annoying quickly.

>hurr x content is y website
Everybody genuinely trying to argue this like it means anything kill yourselves. And rick and morty is pretty good tbqh

>>85020133
I think your understanding, or no fixation of "Unlimited Power = Bad Character" is rather naive. Power doesn't fix flaws, that's why we have Superman. It doesn't make Rick happy.

And in the Magical Girl thing, it's easy to imagine countless scenarios where basic human problems and emotional, self-issues cannot be fixed with magic. What if she has a question on her mind or wants to learn something, is her Wand a Genie? Is she omniscient? What if she loves someone, is she going to brainwash them? Will she use magic to instantly let others understand her and her feelings and live in perfect harmony with regulars? There are so many issues of subjectivity and personality that power cannot resolve. Like say you give Tomoko magical power, she's not a goddess or anything.

She'd just be a sad, lonely fucked up kid with powers, even if it is a lot. No amount of power can fix that. If you're going to say she could fix 'herself' or something, well any alteration made to oneself is kind of ruining the point. If you have to change yourself with magic to be happy you might as well not even be you or be happy.

>>85020163
> Sure he could go just about anywhere but that's not what he wants.
That's more of his problem? And it's not even a real problem.
He could literally just move out and then find a universe with Beth's house to live in who'll let him stay.

>>85020203
>They have no real problems or issues that would make them feel that way, they just do.
The problem is often that they're human. I think when a lot of stories where a character is ridiculously powerful compared to everyone around them, they point out that for all their strength they can't fix human nature.

>>85009354
South Park

>>85020209
>>85020179
> There are so many issues of subjectivity and personality that power cannot resolve.
> You can have a show where all the external conflict is meaningless, but internally the characters still suffer from the same mental bullshit everyone else deals with.
Because that's whiny boring bullshit that can lead to really really horrible cheesy storytelling.
You're walking on thin ice before the the show is basically
>Ablooablooabloo I'm SOOO DEPRESSED!
If her biggest problems are uncomfortable emotions of very ordinary and dull insecurities, why even give her that power? What's the point or difference between her or any other ordinary annoying teenage girl whose self absorbed and makes a big deal out of everything, even minor insignificant issues.

Are you one of those people who thinks Steven Universe is deep and engaging because they cry every episode?

>>85020236
In that guys bombastically bad example it sounds like he was trying to describe someone who has a perfect life and unlimited power.

And yet in spite of this perfect life and unlimited power, they are still depressed, somehow. We dont see how, why or when it happens. They simply are depressed, in spite of all they have.

I think this kind of belongs in a different topic if you want to say that depression as a mental illness can effect you even if it seems like you have it all, but from a narrative stand point it doesnt work when you have nothing to add onto or glean from it.

>>85020073
>He's important enough that the entire Galactic Government wants him and he started a rebellion against them or some vaguely hinted at shit.
And is the galactic government the all deciding entity on what is and is not important? Rick could just as well go to a dimension where the galactic government doesn't exist or where he is not wanted, if he were to die another version of himself could just pick up where he left off. The only reason the government wants him anyway is because he's a criminal, does that really make him important? Do you consider criminals to be important people? I don't

>But he's hated and notorious
Not really, I think a lot of people around the multiverse quite like him, he throws kick ass parties. The only ones who really hate him or are after him are bureaucrats and people in positions of power, because he has the power to transform them into snakes or whatever whenever he wants.
>He's wanted by aliens for his tech who want to get inside his brain. He's buddy buddy with assassins, he has an entire Council of himself from around the multiverse black-listing him.
So he goes around the uni/multiverse and makes friend, alliances and enemies on the way and you consider this to be a major problem in the show somehow? should he just stay in his garage and not do anything ever?

>The important thing is that HE is still important in the show's focus
I wonder why Rick is important to the focus of "Rick and Morty", hmmmm yeah this is a tough one, why would the show's titular character be central to the show? jeez I really don't know

>even beyond the scheme of just being a main character.
Maybe that's because he's a super genius who can travel between dimensions, so he can do a lot of crazy stuff and influence a lot of things? just my guess

>>85020250
Try not to be so closed minded. But since you insist you already know what such a show would be like, let's explore this further.

Why is depression bad? Why would a show about a depressed magical girl with potential and great power be so unbar able like you claim? She wouldn't even have to be sad all the time, it could just be her going through ordinary life trying to figure out what to do with herself and what she wants. Also I'm not going to go full r/abbit on you for this or anything but,

>any other ordinary annoying teenage girl whose self absorbed and makes a big deal out of everything, even minor insignificant issues

Wtf?
I think, that tells us more about you than that idea? Especially since you keep constantly putting down Steven Universe, as if all drama has to be self-indulgent.
Teenagers can be okay. Teenage girls and their drama can be interesting. A show about them doesn't inherently ruin it. People have loved them from Sabrina, to Madoka and every other Magica. Why are you so certain it would be bad?

I'm going to go a step further and say Depression isn't even all bad, I mean in stories. Are you an autist, do you have empathy? Read a series like Prequel or something real sad and tell me that characters at their lowest doesn't bring out strong emotions in you.

>>85020263
My comparison was a knock at Rick. He has no reason to be depressed or sad, he can create entire universes in his garage and anything he wants, within the confines of the show's science that's put him as omnipotent he can pretty much do anything he wants.

What's the problem?

>>85020250
>If her biggest problems are uncomfortable emotions of very ordinary and dull insecurities, why even give her that power? What's the point or difference between her or any other ordinary annoying teenage girl whose self absorbed and makes a big deal out of everything, even minor insignificant issues.
Because that is not as interesting to watch? I mean I could still watch a show that is purely about emotional drama and the human struggle to be happy, but I'd rather it'd have magic and monsters and battles and stuff in it

>>85020250
>If her biggest problems are uncomfortable emotions of very ordinary and dull insecurities, why even give her that power?
Because it's contrast. You have someone who can create or destroy worlds with ease, but even that can't fix people. You can be a god, but if you're still human, you deal with the bullshit.

>Are you one of those people who thinks Steven Universe is deep and engaging because they cry every episode?
I don't watch Steven Universe at all, but are you one of those guys that thinks everyone who likes a thing you don't like is just too stupid to see how bad it is?

>>85020299
Except he isnt omnipotent and capable of solving all his problems because the dude cant even fucking fix the damage caused by an attraction serum.

>>85020264
>So he goes around the uni/multiverse and makes friend, alliances and enemies on the way and you consider this to be a major problem in the show somehow? should he just stay in his garage and not do anything ever?

No but it was just to point out that his problems are dumb and since he's important and smart enough to have those things hovering around him, and seek out interesting things and people he likes that makes his entire issue redundant.

His only real problem is he's fixated on his family that he hates so much, which is faux self-created problem he could just get over and decide to be happy with.

> jeez I really don't know
Think of a random cartoon or show. Got it?
Think of a few more if you like.
How much power and importance does that character in question play compared to their setting?
I assure you 9/10 it won't be less than Rick.

>just my guess
Than all his other problems are whiny and nonsensical.

>>85020040
Like Madoka Magica?

>>85020344
>which is faux self-created problem he could just get over and decide to be happy with.
>he could just get over
Why don't depressed people just be happy?

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I feel this video is doubly relevant not only to this thread in that apparently everyone is now a critique, or fancies themselves as one. But also for that "depressed goddess / magical girl" idea being strewn about now, which pretty much already does in fact exist. He talks about the show later, but even then the video touches on relevant details to the thread itself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QR7yWdimmC4

>>85020299
>He has no reason to be depressed or sad
How about that despite all his intellect and power his life is still just as meaningless as anybody else's. That no matter what choice he makes, in the end it doesn't matter, because some other version of him will have made a different choice and even though he is the most genius being alive he too will be subjected to the void in the end and all his accomplishments will mean nothing.
I'm sure he's got even more things to be sad about, those are just off the top off my head

>>85020299
>His only real problem is he's fixated on his family that he hates so much, which is faux self-created problem he could just get over and decide to be happy with.

Anon, you quite obviously have issues with your own family that you're projecting onto Rick. NORMAL people want to connect with their family and feel loved.

>He has no reason to be depressed or sad

And you are pretty much saying power = happiness right now. That is RETARDED.

Rick is a wreck on a personal level, it doesn't matter how powerful or intelligent he is, he doesn't have the ability to instantly fix his personal life. He's an asshole who has issues maintaining healthy relationships with people because he's abrasive and condescending, his backstory even includes running out on his daughter early on.

>>85007250
I dont know, because im not a DISGUSTING FAGGOT who visits reddit all the time

>>85020292
All of the things you are describing, as a general rule tend to be very bad. Or atleast tired and cliche.

I'll admit I'm not the biggest Anime fan, but I like my stories with heroes and quests and entertainment. That seems to be the appeal of a lot of cartoons and anime, that sense of adventure right?

Imagine how exciting the series becomes if the character gains DEPRESSION and starts fighting or going forward and we have to have them sit down and talk about their feelings for several episode. Want to get to that magical sword, defeat the evil warlock, save your best friend? Too bad.
We need to hear this bitch unload a load of sappy emotional entanglements first.

>>85020310
I don't get why you'd want a show with emotional drama to interfere with it at all if you liked that sort of thing, or vice versa.

>>85020333
Ah yes, the old Demi-god Herculean routine. Well I'm not saying this whole dialog is a complete failure, I'm just highly pessimistic about the whole idea of watching people fuck up and be failures as entertainment. It sounds, rather sadistic? Almost that or some weird fetish in a way, I don't know. Why would you care? Why not watch someone sort rocks or shoes instead of something dumb like that?

>but are you one of those guys that thinks everyone who likes a thing you don't like is just too stupid to see how bad it is?
The reverse. I think an idea is stupid by deduction until someone shows me that it isn't bad and can show me a thing can be likeable and good.
I make no judgement on people's tastes.

>>85020344
>that makes his entire issue redundant.
>faux self-created problem he could just get over and decide to be happy with.
>why don't depressed people just get over it? xD
Are you autistic dude?

>>85020373
Ah yes existential boohoos.
Just as bad as the fabled Magical Girl who realizes her dream date will never exist and she may not get the perfect limo for prom.
So many sad emotions, so depressing.
Let's all watch that, certainly.

>>85020374
I don't have any problems with my family actually, what little 'family' I have.
Maybe that's why I'm not seeing his issue as something a grown man couldn't just swallow a pill called pride and get over.

>And you are pretty much saying power = happiness right now
No, but they're correlated to fixing problems. And being able to create a universe on demand..
and Create life
and really, anything, really absolutely anything one could ever want, and having everything you dream of would mean there's no reason you shouldn't be happy.

>>85020400
>I don't get why you'd want a show with emotional drama to interfere with it at all if you liked that sort of thing, or vice versa.
>interfere
Do you think that these things are like mutually exclusive or something? You can have more than one theme or topic in a show you know?

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>>85020435
Alright I'm done. You are definitely autistic, high functioning no doubt, but autistic never-the-less.

>>85020435
>No, but they're correlated to fixing problems. And being able to create a universe on demand..
>and Create life
>and really, anything, really absolutely anything one could ever want, and having everything you dream of would mean there's no reason you shouldn't be happy.
It really, really sounds like you're correlating power and happiness right now. Even if you try to go around it and say that power won't make you happy, but you can use power to make happiness. This isn't even getting into the fact that Rick isn't omnipotent.

I mean, a lot of this to me sounds like the sort of thing I'd hear from someone who goes "But that guy who killed himself was rich. What did he have to be depressed about?"

>>85020415
Rick put himself in a fox hole.
He could choose to be happy and not be with people he hates but he doesn't. That's his choice I guess.

>why don't depressed people just get over it? xD
From personal experience most depressed people are just that way either
>Because of material conditions that may be genuine (Rare)
>They have petty, vapid internal conflicts and problems they could resolve with just a simple change of priorities.
People CAN choose to be happy. They can work hard and solve their problems, they can just cut to the root of the problem and say Fuck It and leave. People just make it harder than it has to be because they're retarded.
I was born into fucking near-poverty with barely any 'real' family and took care of myself and came out fine. I escaped the rathole. I made it. I didn't whine or mope about my feelings or depression on a blog. So I will smack a bitch down if I hear someone whining about their

Reminds me of my favorite quote from Xavier: Renegade Angel

>Cavewoman: My husband. He only does 'cause he love me.
>Xavier: No. That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Maybe he does it because you're stupid.
>Cavewoman: Maybe.
>Xavier: Well, if that's love, I'd like to make some love (shakes his fist) to his mouth.

>>85020435
How autistic are you man? Have you ever gotten yourself diagnosed?

>>85020458
Maybe you've been raised on tumblr culture and are just too autistic to see my point of view? Perhaps you lack the Empathy and emotional reasoning, the understanding to see why I'm dismissing these trivial existential and very very very pathetic problems that pale in comparison to the significance of being able to create Life on command or manifest an universe into existence? If you want to fit me into your box to fill your paradigm than go ahead but it won't enhance your understanding.

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>>85020475
>They can work hard and solve their problems, they can just cut to the root of the problem and say Fuck It and leave. People just make it harder than it has to be because they're retarded.

>>85020478
>You aren't taking our DEPRESSION seriously so you're just AUTISTIC
Let me guess, you've spent so many nights thinking about the universe and death and reading Nietzsche quotes that you actually think mundane and repetitive existential drivel is any reason to spend your emotional life moping around and defeated?

>>85020500
>Perhaps you lack the Empathy and emotional reasoning, the understanding to see why I'm dismissing these trivial existential and very very very pathetic problems
Jesus Christ, there is a great irony here. You're saying other people lack empathy because they don't get mad and tell depressed people to fix shit on their own or fuck off.

>>85020040
I didn't mean the concept of the show doesn't work, just that Star Vs. doesn't fit the first guy's analogy because Star isn't depressed. Though it would be pretty tough to pull off, I think.

>>85020475
>He could choose to be happy and not be with people he hates but he doesn't. That's his choice I guess.
??? He doesn't hate his family, they're probably the closest people to him, especially morty. He is just so vastly more intelligent than them that it is difficult for him to relate to their shit, but without them he would probably have no reason to go on

Man you are really misreading this show dude

>People CAN choose to be happy. They can work hard and solve their problems, they can just cut to the root of the problem and say Fuck It and leave. People just make it harder than it has to be because they're retarded.
Yes you are clearly the supreme paragon of wisdom in the world, if only all those unhappy people could just get with the program and do what you did, they'd all be happy forever

>>85017694
which one?

>>85020507
Anon, think reasonable for a second.
>I can create an entire universe which should be scientifically implausible and do unimaginable feats of science that offer me all the opportunities for discovery, adventure, love, friendship and freedom in the universe
>I cannot solve the issue of moving out of daughter's basement whom I somewhat hate along with her whole family that I'm so much smarter and superior to

>>85020478
I've never been given that label or even been to a psychiatrist.
Why are you even asking?
If I say I'm autistic and this post is autistic and everything you struggle to understand in your special snowflake mind is autistic will that help you to feel better, will it invalidate my words and make you feel more okay because I dismiss everybody and their pussy Aesop mentality?

>>85020513
No, but I can understand that people can struggle with those thoughts and issues and that it's not as easy as just saying "get over it".

>>85020522
My concept of Love is a very oldschool one. It encompasses helping and bettering others as a form of loving them. If I enable bullshit, how am I helping you solve your problems? If you your problem was that you needed to make sure someone would hear you mope, your problem wasn't very substantial to start with.

>>85020513
Nietzsche was a troll. He was funny. He literally called other people plebs in his books.

>>85017694
>>85020556
found it
http://legal.blog.ajc.com/2016/06/23/georgia-judge-loses-it-over-vulgar-courtroom-exchange/

>>85020580
90% of the time it really is that simple. I'm not even talking about pushing it deep down and pretending a struggle doesn't exist, just that the majority of those thoughts and problems are self-created and can be self-dismantled.

>>85020558
>I can create an entire universe which should be scientifically implausible and do unimaginable feats of science that offer me all the opportunities for discovery, adventure, love, friendship and freedom in the universe
Rick could create an entire world with life and everything, but he could do that and still not find all of that.

And the point is Rick DOES care about his family. He, like a lot of people, actually cares but at the same time has trouble relating to and talking to them. Why do you think he came back to his daughter in the first place? He could make a planet for himself but why would that make him happy?

Again, you are totally trying to say that power = happiness. Even when history is full of powerful, miserable people.

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>>85017939
Loss was more contained, sure there was some spillage but it was never truly universal.

I want to say Baneposting is like Christianity. It started and spread like wildfire, its believers etched every word to their hearts, miracles leading to it happen, they have hell like creatures(hotheads) and different interpretations of the sacred scene. Also we still have true believers in this time of anti-memage.

>>85020558
>Why are you even asking?
Because the things that you are saying are very very VERY autistic, like I haven't seen this much autism in a long time. Like you completely miss the point of almost everything and you show very little empathetic capabilities, you also seem to think that your way of viewing the world and the people in it is the best way ever and that other people's problems are just trivialities that they should get over
If you're really not, you should reevaluate your outlook on life, because this is embarrassing dude

>>85007250
No. I've never used Reddit in my life. I don't relate to, or understand this meme. Can someone please explain it to me?

>>85020524
Well yeah but I don't get what he was saying even in hypothetical. Sorry about the incidental reply I was mostly responding to him.

Anyway you probably won't respond or understand but given we know your nature know
>>85020400
What's wrong with feelings? Why are they superior to fight scenes and why are they any more generic than fighting a dragon or whatever.

Because THIS
>Imagine how exciting the series becomes if the character gains DEPRESSION and starts fighting or going forward and we have to have them sit down and talk about their feelings for several episode. Want to get to that magical sword, defeat the evil warlock, save your best friend?
Sounds a hella of a lot more interesting to me, since the actual 'save' the fighting and adventuring can be just dressing for the conflicts involved. Why cannot we have a series where the real problem is the character's internal conflict and emotions?

You keep spouting like you're so sure people will hate this and it'll be so dumb. But I think a lot of people would prefer emotional, open, social and dynamic heroes rather than GI-Joe/HeMan Automatons that just go out and fight like soldiers without any reasoning why or real emotions. Thus why we have Hamlet. I don't see why you're set against it?

And I still think a depressed Magical Girl could work, even if she is a failure or extreme Beta it'd draw a lot more people's investment than you could imagine.

>>85020649
Reddit = thing I don't like
I don't like Rick and Morty, therefore it is Reddit

>>85020664
Thanks for the clarification anon.

Season 2 does not get enough hate on here.
"Get Schwifty", "Interdimensional Cable 2", and "Big Trouble in Little Sanchez" are easily the worst episodes of the show, and add on the insanely forgettable "Look Who's Purging Now", plus "The Ricks Must Be Crazy" & "The Wedding Squanchers" which other people liked, but I personally disliked

>>85020610
>Rick could create an entire world with life and everything, but he could do that and still not find all of that.
Why not?

Why choose to be unhappy so stubbornly? That's like saying "I can have a Genie who grants me unlimited wishes but I cannot handle it because I'd have to go in the attic of my parent whom I care about so much and having those wishes is just too much of a burden. How would I relate to my family or help patch things up with my daughter if I had those wishes? It's not like they could benefit me or anything."

> power = happiness
We're talking unlimited power here.
If you had a Genie you would absolutely never need therapy nor spend years depressed and pathetic over family strife. Just think of how many simple wishes could fix it.

>>85020620
Anon, I love so many people. I love my step-ma who raised me, I love my psuedo-brothers, some who did not make it out where I did, where I came from. I love my former professors who guided me, I love all my friends. I hug my room-mate each and every single day and am happy and glad to help her with any problem she needs. I wish I could support all of the worlds problems and help the people that I love and give them the best.

But if I had some very minor sacrifice or internal issue preventing me from reaching over to a Genie Lamp and offering them that love and support, the things they deserve, while I'd be the most selfish un-empathetic, disgustingly narcissistic person in the world. I'd have invented a condition of self-absorbedness far beyond autism.

I know it's hard to understand because you were raised on tumblr/facebook/internet culture which is inherently narcissistic. Your opinions and voice matters right? I'm sure every woe and minor, itty bitty sad you've had has been a huge struggle along the way and you feel you may never overcome it, not without telling the world on your blog or needing a few likes or upvotes for it.

But I can tell you right here anon, you can do it. You. And others.

>>85020730
>Why choose to be unhappy so stubbornly?
>choose
See, this is where everything falls apart. Even ignoring that Rick isn't all powerful, you just seem to think all people who are unhappy simply choose to be unhappy and that inner-conflict is meaningless. You just dismiss a huge chunk of human nature, and one people have been discussing since the dawn of time.

We really just think you don't get people.

>>85020719
I agree with your opinion on the first 4 episodes you mentioned, especially Cable 2, but not the last 2. At least the episodes were never bad enough to make me stop watching, I just won't be watching them again when I revisit the show in the future.

Any idea when/if S3 is happening?

>>85020657
Sorry if I got to yours so late.

But let me tell you something, you're going to have to take this with some imagination since, I assume you've lived a sheltered, impersonal life that let you to 4chan.

Why does your question lead you to the assumption that love, feelings and actions are mutually exclusive? If someone is fighting, they are showing emotion. They may not have it over a blog or selfie, nor did they take the time to sit down and share it but that act in itself, from my own perspective, shows more passion and emotion than anything that can be expressed sitting down. Those conflicts show life, the quests and journeys inner experience. They result from goals, views, strong emotions and even these conflicts you speak of.

People keep throwing around the term autistic, this is interesting to me. Would that Magical Girl series of yours be autistic? Well people understand it in narrow terms.

Let's use that term, say very literally. Say the girl couldn't even talk or was mute, or had no face to express any emotion. Weird no? But that'd make her autistic by default since her emotions are muted to others, her friends or heroes, ect. So we've got a fully autistic character set in stone.

How do we remedy this? A girl who must have no emotions because we cannot see them? How would she express them without speeches or selfies or the slow dialog and external conflict?

I'll tell you.
Her actions.
Give me a silent protagonist, in a silent series with every bit of passion and action as your Gokus and Sailor Moons, and tell me she cannot be a heroine, fighting like a soldier, this automaton you speak of.

Compare it to one with a passionless one that just..talks. All her problems, all in words. Maybe texts too.

So tell me which one is set to be the real determiner here?

>>85020763
I misspoke.
I'm not saying that people choose to become unhappy.
But they choose to STAY unhappy, in my eyes. They cling to their unhappiness because it's what they've been taught and maybe that is part of human nature, in some respects. But to me it's far more human to overcome this and be able to rise to their challenges. What virtue could be more human than facing your greatest fears and reaching your goals, your ultimate determination as a human?
This, I give you my definition of Love.

>>85020719
You have shit taste, those last two are god tier.

>>85020773
>>85020861
hence "which other people liked, but I personally disliked"

And I heard like half the writing staff had to leave midway through S2 to work on Community, so maybe that or just an "after-the-honeymoon" phase in my head could explain the decline after the excellent Season 1.

I expect Season 3 to premiere in early 2017, maybe very late 2016

>>85018239
Calling the show Reddit is a meme. Like those people who criticize shows because of the bean face

>>85020811
First off, that's not what autism is dude.

Secondly, tell me why a protagonist that has to express her feelings only in words couldn't work? Yes fighting and trying their best is one way to show emotions, but people are different, and everyone does it differently.

Talking about one's feeling is the most direct way to do it. It's also the cleanest and removes the least mistakes. If Magical Girl Depression-Version sat her friend down and said "I'm sorry that you were mind-controlled by the enemy, but I'd like to talk with you about it. Are you okay, was it traumatizing? Let's work through it together and know that I'm supporting you and happy about it", that would be something very much impossible to express with almost any other action. If all she did was cast a spell and erase her memories or say "Woops looks like I saved you we're done here" so much experience and emotional content would be lost, not only to the two as friends but also to the viewer. We're not animals you know, words are important to expressing or feelings.

>>85020842
>But they choose to STAY unhappy, in my eyes.
Here's the thing, and I'll try to word this as best as I can. A lot of people try to fix the problems in their life, but they can't. And even if there is some possible way, they may not know it, or may not think it's possible. Or they don't even know what it is they want.

Maybe a lot of stories like that piss you off. Maybe you read Hamlet and think "Why doesn't this guy just man up and murder Claudius? Why sit around and mope about it?" And if you don't like it, that's one thing. You can like or dislike anything you want.

But people feel like you just look at characters with fucked up lives and go "why don't they just fix everything? I fixed problems in my life, so why can't everyone just sit down and fix theirs?" And people see that as really, really misunderstanding people.

>>85020730
Oh I'm sure you love a lot of people anon, I never said you didn't, autistic people can still love you know.

>But if I had some very minor sacrifice or internal issue preventing me from reaching over to a Genie Lamp and offering them that love and support, the things they deserve, while I'd be the most selfish un-empathetic, disgustingly narcissistic person in the world
What if you got a genie lamp and it showed you that for every every wish you make another version of you in a different but just as real universe makes the opposite wish, would you still go around wishing people's lives to be better? what's the point? in the end you will have made literally zero difference whatsoever

>I know it's hard to understand because you were raised on tumblr/facebook/internet culture which is inherently narcissistic. Your opinions and voice matters right? I'm sure every woe and minor, itty bitty sad you've had has been a huge struggle along the way and you feel you may never overcome it, not without telling the world on your blog or needing a few likes or upvotes for it.
>all those assumptions based on literally nothing
why would I be on 4chan if I thought opinions mattered or that blogs and upvotes are a good thing?

I haven't seen this much genuine autism in a long time.

>>85007250
That's stupid. They just like the show, it isn't made by them and it doesn't cater to their sense of humor intentionally. Calling it reddit the show is like calling that horse cartoon "grown men: the show". It wasn't made for them, they just like it the most.

>>85020918
>First off, that's not what autism is dude.
From the first link in google
>medical : a condition or disorder that begins in childhood and that causes problems in forming relationships and in communicating with other people

This can be interpreted enough ways that you could consider a mute child autistic, as much as a talkative one that cannot comprehend human constructiveness or others emotions. It matters less with the example I gave you.

The point being the bond making and communication doesn't have to be done with long paragraphs of words. That seems rather 'stereotypically' autistic with regards to how many people on this site use it, liberally actually

And sure that might be nice, but I still think a bold action expresses more emotion and communicated more than that plan of yours.

What your plan speaks of is more like, intent. Allegiance. The logistics of emotional control. But one can like when speaking or misspeak and not give full regards to the emotions they meant.

There is absolutely none of this in a fully intended act, your emotions are raw and direct and not filtered through language, only your bodies limitations.

You cannot like in an act, not usually. Nor can you misspeak unless you fail to act, not in the process of communicating. When you act, you're giving your must direct sense of self and all the intents that would come from speaking.

For instance, if you followed your example and used a spell, that would be a treacherous, heinous act with similar emotions reflected.

If you talked it over however your own emotions, over time would get muddled in your words and flustered with theirs, you could both be lying to yourselves before you even know it.

>>85020923
>Why doesn't this guy just man up and murder Claudius?
The problem with Hamlet is that his arc and problem isn't actually about having to kill Claudius at all, which he mistakingly assumes.

Of course if he tried to act, he may realize that sooner than later.. but heavy is the crown.

It's less about people not fixing their problems that I'm ranting against, and more of people causing problems that are self generated for the world and getting caught up in the delusion that there was ever a problem in the first place.

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>>85020010
Quiet, you're ruining our "Internet Cool Guy" shtick.

>>85020932
> I never said you didn't, autistic people can still love you know.

I don't really think you have the slightest bit of understanding of autism, just framed from the way you put it. So you're about on par with the DSM-V and now in perfunctory to Hans Aspegers himself.

You're trying to use some existentialist loophole to kudos your way out of doing good things? For all your accusation at me, doesn't that seem awfully autistic?
If I had someone next to me I loved dying of cancer and I held the lamp, I think I'd have to be insane to say "I'm sorry but I cannot help you or rather won't try to help you. Since I know another version of you will die anyway there's no point in trying, you're just going to have to deal with this dilemma. There are infinite yous that actually live, take care and have fun dying! Imagine how happy they'll all be, don't worry..."

That sort of fatalistic hogwash is just plain sociopathy in my eyes. It's not even worth considering. If you know something is inevitable and failed to act, you've only made it THAT much more inevitable in the process. It's such a grotesque and pathetic way of thinking, and can only be aligned with someone as despicable Rick.

Let me shorten this.

If you're asking "You know everything is impossible and you cannot ease someones collective suffering wouldn't you just stop trying :^)?"
Than my answer is a resounding no.

>>85020951
Does thinking that people are autism enhance your understanding of them? Does it broaden your world view? Do you feel enlightened and compensated for all the imbeciles in the world to imagine all the wrong conditions with their brain that must exist for you to make sense of them, and disavow any possible of your own?

>>85015071
>I'm 16 and my humor is fucking superior
Does anyone have that chart? It had a lot of shows and youtubers on it.

>>85009354
South Park for sure

>>85021060
No, I just think you're autistic because you can't seem to understand something about a show even when the show itself throws it in your face.

Also, quit projecting so hard. It makes you seem like a twit.

>>85021050
Yo mega autist

I don't really care about your Rick and Peepee debate but

Can you tell us more about that Magical gir lseries? That sounded cool yo. actually throw out your own ideas

>>85018247
That shit is totally just Justin Roiland's sense of humor though, he's been making ironically retarded content for well over a decade. It's just what comes out of his mouth when he tries to be funny.
You don't have to like it, but it's not like it's surprising or contrived.

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Do you think there will be an episode about Rick waking up in mental hospital to discover that he's just a delusional old man?

>>85021119
I can understand the show just fine, I just don't care for or respect it.

Rick isn't some brave deep-tragic figure with a compelling story that we should all learn from and be inspired by. People who are redditors who share all his views and rebellious outlooks will see him as this and see themselves in him lamentably.

Too bad he's a miserable drunkard asshole whose selfish narcissism and fatalistic outlook of pet-problems isolates him from everybody and he's unable to move beyond it.

If I was really generous I could give you "He's a complex/dynamic character with some interesting subtext" but with the way people praise this show like the next Shakespeare I'm reluctant to do even that.

>>85021124
No.

Why don't you come up with your own?
Make it as depressing as suitable.
You see a lot of that here, people projecting their own anxieties onto me in this thread. You'll notice how easily people get flustered when questioned about their insecurities, I was just drawing attention to it.

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>this whole thread
I guess everything is reddit the show, since reddit likes anything.

>>85021194
Aw come on man
You just seemed so much more crazy and better suited at this than me
I gotcha we're all faggots here but making up cool show ideas is a weird way to fluster people

>>85021050
>I don't really think you have the slightest bit of understanding of autism
are you saying that autistic people are incapable of loving?

>f I had someone next to me I loved dying of cancer and I held the lamp, I think I'd have to be insane to say "I'm sorry but I cannot help you or rather won't try to help you. Since I know another version of you will die anyway there's no point in trying, you're just going to have to deal with this dilemma. There are infinite yous that actually live, take care and have fun dying! Imagine how happy they'll all be, don't worry..."
Of course if there's an immediate problem that you could easily solve you would do that, Rick saves his families lives on multiple occasions, he even goes to prison just so they can have a normal life. Despite that he would still live with the knowledge that in the end it didn't matter for shit, there's infinite universes where your family is being tortured forever and there's infinite universes where they live in total bliss forever, the best thing you can do is help those around you, which is what rick mostly does, but he knows that if he didn't it would make no difference anyway

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>>85018122
dead body lootin

>>85021192
what anime is that

I find it funny that we whine about wanting "adult animated television", and then we get it and it gets shitposted into oblivion

>>85019255
Twitter should work.

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>>85021355
Yea sent him a message with the image, not expecting much but a clean audio would be awesome (although laugh track might not be too bad with the footage of con).

Finished ricks head today, just need to add blinks/mouth positions

Can we just agree that this is faggot the OP?

>>85021281
http://pasaruconworld.wikia.com/wiki/Nestbound
>>85021540
"OP the faggot" sounds better.

>>85020719

If you had stopped at Get Scwifty, MAYBE you wouldn't have to kill yourself.

>>85007250
Literally 9GAG: The Animated Series

>>85007250
trying to hide that it's actually 4chan the show

>>85007250
Here's how the season 3 premiere is going to go, everyone's going to begrudgingly accept their new lives. New alien technology will allow Beth to become a human surgeon after one eight hour class. Summer will get a hot alien boyfriend and her previous exposure to alien culture will quickly make her the most popular human in school, Morty will get with Jessica under similar circumstances. Jerry will similarly be excited about his new job until his first day. When Rick called in, " My name is Jerry Smith and I love sucking big sweaty [bleep] and licking disgusting furry testicle sacks." That statement by "Jerry Smith" was placed into the system and was taken into account when deciding Jerry's job. Jerry's new job is basically porn-star specializing in extreme fetishes catering to a very small segment of the galactic population (basically 1 guy) and used as a form of audio-visual torture on some planets. The result is that Jerry becomes the only person actively interested in freeing Rick so he can go back to being unemployed.

>itt /pol/ and /tv/ shitpost era who've migrated here over the last few years

I bet you faggots don't even remember the Rick and morty generals where we'd have community streams for the premieres, you know, back when /co/
Wasn't a shithole thanks to live action movies and tv shows

>>85021872
>/co/ likes a show more during the on season
colour me shocked

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>>85020500

>>85014629
>If you say what people don't like on Reddit, they are able to vote it out of the way, regardless of if it's quality or not.

Which is exactly what happens when you say you don't like Rick and Morty or when you criticize it in almost any way. Bunch of a butthurt fuckers who think Rick and Morty is one of the best and deepest animated shows to ever air.

>>85017902

>Defending nuFamily guy.

Sorry man your opinion is invalid.

>>85018154
This. Rick's presentation is fucking crazy.

>>85007250
Caring so much about what a terrible person thinks of you is a sign of pitiful insecurity, anon.

>Comedy
RicknMorty>Bojack>Moral Orel
>Drama
Moral Orel>Bojack>RicknMorty

>>85007464
The whole thing really went downhill when people started using meme as a regular, stand-in noun, and as a verb.

>>85023207
Moral Orel is better than all at both
The Crack and Egg episodes are funnier than anything either show has ever done

>>85013894
It's not even the deepest show that Adult Swim has ever run. Fucking robots.

i'm sick of hearing about reddit

if you love reddit so much fuck off there

>>85009354
Family Guy. It's stupid and everyone hates it. Every episode/thread starts off with some kind of idea or premise, though it is often weak, and at least half the time the whole thing gets so completely off track that there's no way to connect what is happening now to how it started twenty minutes ago. It just keeps getting more edgy and weird for the sake of being more edgy and weird, and everyone's really started hating it. We also like to get together and reminisce about way back when it was good, but someone will be there to point out that it was never good. Family Guy is 4chan.

>>85013894
You sure know a lot about reddit

>>85017320
>libertarian agenda
>guy fighting the government loses
>going off the grid is bad and makes everyone feel bad
>when the government gets involved, Jerry gets a job
>???

>>85017689
>Superjail
>plots

Everything after season 1 was a mistake.

Rick and Morty had quite a few really good episodes. The ones where they focus on a cool sci-fi concept first and being funny second tend to be better and funnier than the ones where they just go LMAO LET'S DO SOMETHING ZANY SKIBBITY-BOOP-BOP.

>>85017859
>nihilistic
>pointless

That's the same fucking thing.

>>85018239
It's Reddit because I don't like it.
It's tumblr because I don't like it.
It's a Mary Sue because I don't like it.
It's Fedora because I don't like it.

Buzzwords allow you to be critical of something without having legitimate criticisms, and people will flock to argue over the validity of what you said. This is the nature of 4chan.

>>85018460
I have seen part of one episode of Doctor Who and two episodes of Torchwood. I wear this fact like a badge of honor right next to my "Never Seen Firefly But Caught Serenity" badge.

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>>85018694
Fuck off, Colonel

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>>85018401
i don't know what is considered a meme anymore.

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can we just agree that this is gmail the show?

No, this meme only sprang up because of /co/ntriarians

>>85007864
We're in post-ironic memedom. Ironic memes were 2015's thing, and although it still isn't completely earnest like it was in 2008-2012, it's still something people clearly involve themselves in.

>>85023378
>We also like to get together and reminisce about way back when it was good, but someone will be there to point out that it was never good.
because it was never good

>>85021078
https://www.reddit.com/r/starterpacks/comments/40m4i7/the_im_16_and_my_humor_is_fucking_superior/
the comments are so fucking bad, it's hilarious