What was the point of this filler arc?

>>84951056
Just that.

>>84951056
More like Fill Her. heh heh!

>>84951056
to fulfill bruce timm's fetish for clingy women who are attracted to men that don't care about them

>>84951056
To trigger you.

It worked great!

>>84951056

To get Timm's rocks off, and expose Azzarello as a hack.

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BATGIRL!

I'm more upset that they ruined this great panel

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>>84951521
Forgot pic

>>84951531
That one and Batman crashing through the mirror, which is my favorite panel.

>>84951427
Good job, raping batman!

>>84951056
To show how little they care about proper adaptations.

>>84951531
That, and the ruining the Bad Day speech with anger instead of sadness. Also misinterpreting a panel leading to Joker banging hookers now...

>>84951056
So the audience can get to know Babs even a little bit. TKJ does virtually nothing to establish her as a character so to the uninitiated her injury and violation means a lot less than it could have.

>>84952567
That's how I saw it too. Otherwise, she's mostly an object to feel sorry for. It's not meaningful to paralyze a character that has nothing to define them as worth including in the story.

The filler, be that as it may, allowed us to get a better sense of story and character while also padding the movie time a bit so it won't be like watching an episode of a TV show on a big screen.

>>84951056
So are they gonna animate red son or what

>>84951173
This. Although I actually share that fetish, I'm still baffeled by this whole thing.

>>84951427
>mfw killing joke is joker raping batgirl
is joker really bizzareo joker?

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>>84951521

There were a lot of moments I didn't like. Conroy felt like he was phoning it in and the pacing was off from what I imagine.

>>84951056

To give Barbara some sort of character for the story because a common complaint was that she was just a plot device to traumatize two men. It really is hilarious how hard they fucked up

>>84951056
>Batman shut her out for getting his dick wet
Who came up with this?

And they said the gay scene was hard whaaaaat

>>84952519
I imagined it started out with imagine with anger/frustration and it just delves into sadness with "Why aren't you laughing?"

>>84954210
They would have been better off giving her an epilogue about her recovery than this shit

>>84954157

This. The scene in the cell felt very off

>>84954137
no fuck you
JOKER DID NOT FUCKING RAPE BARBRA GORDEN IN THE KILLING JOKE

>>84951056
so babs could get some bat dick before she gets paralyzed in her nethers forever. whats not to get?

>batman go Barbara batcoffee
So did he go to a shop for that, then chane back into batman or did he go in as batman?

>>84954275
if batman came into your store and asked for coffee would you sell it to him /co/

>>84954290
Why wouldn't I? Money is money

>>84954275
went in as Batman of course

>>84954275
He raped the cashier at starbucks then went home to make some coffee

>>84951056

I really don't understand why they didn't make the first half of the movie about the Joker. Joker has Batman on the ropes and Batgirl saves his ass and Joker gets carted off to Arkham. When Joker cripples Babs later he has no idea he's effectively killed Batgirl as well.

>>84954047

I would love that. But this time, don't fuck it up, WB.

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>>84952567

...and they failed miserably there.

They should have just done Batgirl Year one.

Bruce Timm lives in a mindset where Barbara Gordon became Batgirl because she was a horny teenager who wanted to be fucked by Batman.
This story shows us that, when it finally happened, she had no reason to be Batgirl anymore.

That's literally Timm's idea of the character. Even the BTAS writers bible straight up says that she puts on the suit because of a "schoolgirl crush" on Batman.

>>84954249

There was a post credit scene about Oracle.

>>84954616

It was sorta cool, but again rings falls when you realize that the only reason she was Batgirl was because she's a Batman-stalker.

>>84954263
you wut
of course he did

>>84951056
Would.

Is it worth a watch?
At the moment I have no way to pirate it right now so I would be buying it, but TKJ is one of my favorite comics so if it's good I wouldn't mind. What's the consensus?

>>84954275
Considering how many gadgets the batmobile has, it wouldn't be hard to believe him putting a coffee maker in there. He doesn't seem like he sleeps very often so i'm sure it comes in handy.

>>84951056
It's to make you more sympathetic towards the Joker and thus make Batman wanting to help him more believable. He's just a hero that takes things a bit too far sometimes.

>>84951056
Because the only thing the killing joke had for it was then colors and they didn't color it that way

>>84954047
>>84954605
>twenty minute exposition of Stalin which ends in him raping Superman
This is the world you asked for.

>>84955316
no there is zero evidence. she was naked because joker wanted to get at gorden if he had raped her he would have taken pictures of that as well

>>84955721
If you like righteous indignation and angry circlejerks, it's a great movie.

As an adaptation of a well regarded comic, it's dogshit.

>>84955316
Is it rape if he penetrated the bullet hole with his penis, but not her ass or vag?

>>84951173
This.

>>84956269
yeah joker raped batgirl, get over it, its an animated movie, they cant animate rape, the photos show her naked, batgirl ask why is he doing that, etc.. use your brain, she got raped so he could break gordon

>>84957117
>yeah joker raped batgirl
Proof?

>>84957117
>Joker is not shown to be raping her in the comic or cartoon
>Does not tell Gordon he raped her
>Barbara never mentions him raping her any time after

Combine all that with the fact that Joker as far as I know has never been shown to be a rapist anywhere else or even that sexual a guy in general and the idea that he raped her just does not add up. If he did rape her there's no evidence of it ever happening beyond the fact that she was naked in those pictures, and since none of those pics are a close up of a fiery pussy filled with clown jizz there's no proof of rape ever occurring.

>>84957284
I'd just love to point out that Joker is a rapist in Azzarello's GN.
Make of that what you will.

>>84957332
Is it at least funny rape?

>>84957332
It's a non-canon book and even if you assume Azzarello decided Joker raped her for his Killing Joke adaptation it's still not actually shown in the movie nor does that have any effect on the actual comic or canon.

>>84957348
it wasn't funny at all. it just... happened.

good thing it's entirely non-canon

To humanize Barbara while simultaneously making her a sex object

>>84951056
They had to build up her character for the average audience member and to give it a feature length time.

>>84957361
Why would the Joker do something that isn't funny? That's just retarded. So he's a hack right?

>>84957462
azzarello was the one who wrote the tkj movie including the part where babs and batman fuck, so you tell me

>>84954157
Damn, Babs had some knockers in TKJ.

If Joker wasn't all about Batdick, he would've raped her.

>>84957284
joker was trying to prove a point, that everyone can break, so he raped her even if he doesnt normally do that, he went all the way to try to brake gordon

gordon says to batman, "he showed me pictures of my daugther" gordon was in the room when his daughter got shot, and where she got shot, a non fatal wound, so why would joker show that again to him? the photos was something else we didnt see (rape of course)

Also gordon ask batman if he saw his daughter, batman says yes shes alive, but gordon says "and?" as if he doesnt even care if shes alive, he is asking if hes ok, like mentally or not broken from the rape

>>84958193
You do realize that being shown your daughter being shot and crippled doesn't lose any impact just because he saw it already right? Joker showed him naked pictures of her in horrible pain to fuck with her and that's all he needed. Maybe Joker's gambit would have actually worked out had he actually raped her but he didn't. There's no proof of it whatsoever, just assumptions based on insubstantial evidence.

>>84957284
> or even that sexual a guy in general and the idea that he raped her just does not add up

He has a sex drive in the movie, hence the prostitutes. They even say that he would always call on them whenever he broke out, but this time he "found a new girl"

>>84958845
>The movie

Given how Azzarello portrayed the Joker in his comic I wouldn't really consider that accurate. Joker fucks hookers and rapes women in that book too so I'd say that's an Azzarello thing and not a Joker thing.

What if the jokers cum would cure being a cripple?

>>84951056
batpussy

>>84958303
You think, "I'm trying to do my utmost to make this guy snap" and somehow follow that up with not doing EVERYTHING you can to make the guy snap?

Joker raped Barbara while she was laying there bleeding, and he took pictures of it all happening so he can show her father.

That's what you do to break a man.

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>>84951056

It's not as bad, it was just unnecessary for Barbra to be part of the story or forced her in there. It's like watching 300 where you are expecting awesome because of all the trailers but then you get 30 minutes of hump guy background story.

First they should have made her relevant for example release a few Batgirl Movies like "Batgirl: Year One" then you move to "On wings birds of Pray" establish a relationship with Dick before breaking up and Finally “The Last Batgirl Story” the last year of Batgirl being Batgirl this is the arc in the Killing joke movie, then KIlling Joke.

You got to know Batgirl with three movies making the impact of her being shot by Joker more memorable to new watchers of the DC animated Universe that have never read a comic.

>>84959187
It's Moore, if there was rape he would have shown it. You're just showing your ignorance.

>>84951173
pretty much

To show that batgirl is a strong independent woman so that when she gets cripple the sjw's who never read a comic before dont go up in arms. Why they made her fail multiple times, get rescued by bruce over and over again, and then fuck him, is beyond me

>>84951173

Shit, you're totally on the ball there

>Bruce, people are claiming this comic is sexist and saying we need to give Barbara a more active role in the plot.
>Okay, I'll have her fuck Batman on a roof, attack a man for yelling at his girlfriend, and get tricked by a criminal. She'll look incompetent, irrational, and clingy; then we'll clumsily segue into her getting shot.
>...okay...

>>84957284
What about the scene where Batman goes to the hookers to find Joker. They say he usually comes straight there (to get laid) but he hasn't visited yet, they guess that he found another girl (he raped Barbara).

Also,Joker unbuttoning her shirt and fading to black is meant to imply rape. This is extremely common in TV & movies.

Why would Joker undress her and just take pictures? Even the cop who tells batman about the crime scene says Barbara was left in a state of undress and had a sad look on his face, implying more than Joker just undressing her.

Implications, man.

>>84952567

They established her character as an incompetent worthless stalker with a crush who sucked at being Batgirl and quit because Batman didn't call her back.

>>84959373
So DC would've allowed him to put up the rape scene, spent the next 5 panels showing Joker raping her?

You are showing YOUR ignorance by thinking explicitly showing it in the comic isn't just as pointless at the first half hour of the animated feature itself.

Stop being dense.

>>84959608
They would have let Moore do it similar to the Identity Crisis rape scene. You're just being delusional because you want your fanfic to be canon.

>>84959565
>they actually thought this made her strong woman "who controls the men in her life"

At least they admitted it was also for controversy's sake and that Timm does in fact ship it because of 66 Batman

>>84954157
Is that from Night Shift Nurses?

>>84956118
>why not rape the whole world, superman!

>>84951056
male fans of batgirl are all like Paris France. sexual frustration is bad for your mental health.batman is a bad boyfriend. new animated tv series could work

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>>84951173
Oh Kenpachi Ramasama, how can you be so flippant... and so desirable?

>>84954047
I could have sworn it already existed but yeah its on its way "Producer James Tucker has spoken about wanting both a Wonder Woman-centered Justice League movie and a Superman: Red Son animated film"

>>84961134
You might be thinking about the Red Son motion comic

>>84954275
haha yeah that was idiotic.kind of moments you would read in a girls YA but ridiculous here

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>>84954290
only if he charged it to his card

>>84961204
This is one if the better jokes of the movie

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>>84955721
not worth the money.The animation is total crap, you may like the style that looks kind of like BTAS

>>84955928
>He doesn't seem like he sleeps very often so i'm sure it comes in handy.
are you implying he makes coffee and then drinks it?its more likely he has coffee pills or some other super no sleep drugs or a hidden meditation technique that lets him get all the sleep he needs in less than 30 minutes

Why is the animation so stiff and low on fps? It it normal to look like that?

>>84961337
Its called cheaping out on your animation team so you can afford Luke Skywalker

>>84955943
>sympathetic
ha.His backstory was delivered in such a jagged and monotone way that I felt nothing for him(unlike the comic) also while one may feel something, it would be crazy to want to help

>>84960925
maybe Im dumb but I never got that.What is wrong with putting the world in a jar? yes people are dependent and mildly stagnant but they are happy and safe

>>84957117
its R rated you faggot and they don't have to animate it. They just have to say it, they go on about how she was found in state of undress so few extra lines from the doctor would not implode the universe

>>84957348
There is some guy that tries to fuck him over so joker fucks his girlfriend and pays her. my memory is fuzze so Im not sure if she was a civilian or a junky whore he got back into drugs(I maybe thinking about wilson fisks hobos )

>>84958193
>he raped her even if he doesnt normally do that
that is shit reasoning. he wanted it to be 50/50 or he would vivisect her and add some physical torture to jims ride, maybe bit of acid

>>84958193
>so why would joker show that again to him?
because he was out of the room by the time joker started taking pics and its called "holding the shot" you know how in a movie the gore effects you less the quicker they cut away from the shot, yeah well now the joker is making him stare at his own inability to help her, at her bleeding out and dying

>>84961408
The entire point of Red Son was that Superman became his own villain. He fought Braniac for entrapping a city in a bottle, but never stop to think that him taking control of everyone's lives was essentially the same thing. Lex Luthor is the closest thing to a protagonist that the comic has

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>>84958193
>mentally or not broken from the rape
or you know from some other kind of torment, hell for all jim knows joker hit her with the gas

>>84955721
Well since you said you've read TKJ and it's one of your favorite comics, I'd say pass on the movie altogether. Not even worth a pirate. The only people who can enjoy this are the people who haven't read TKJ nor seen other DC animated films.

>>84959276
>"On wings birds of Pray"
that was an oracle story though

>>84958912
but we're talking about joker in the movie

movie joker totally raped babs

>>84959187
>EVERYTHING
the point is not to do everything, the point is to do enough. 1 bad day rides on the notion that an average person can have a streak of bad luck that will destroy him. fact that you could torture a normal person into insanity if you really try is not under contention.its batmans bad day (of his parents being shot) vs jokers bad day and how they dealt with it. autistic faggots like you are unable to understand that there can be shades of suffering that are valid without there being rape involved, that is why jessica jones was raped in the tv show while what happened in the comics was superior

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>>84959565
sasuga master Bruce

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>>84951056

>>84961828
Pretty cool seeing the Male Smuggler and Risha at it again

>>84961631
>everyone's lives was essentially the same thing
except its not. Braniac made people more vulnerable to a point a microbe could fuck up a city and he destroyed the world were the cites came from.in Red son superman left the world alone and it fell on its own, people came to him.
>Lex
lex is a butthurt faggot in a glass house. he supposedly could have fixed the world but did nothing till his hate boner was satisfied.The whole ending with him replacing the government with council of poets was idiotic.

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>>84961408
Get out of America

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im digging it. alot more then i expected. just watched up to this scene. am i nuts or is this a reference

>>84952519
>>84954231

This is the perfect interpretation of it imo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NC16orUje4M

Batman only fucked her cause joker raped her and he wants to vicariously bang his mortal enemy

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>>84951173
So Bruce Timm fap to this, right?

>>84964535
yes

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What the hell was up with this shot? It comes out of nowhere and looks nothing like Bollands art. It's not even the lazy art they put in the rest of the movie, this clearly has actual work put into it.

>>84957592
Didn't he? I thought that's what was implied with the hookers saying he found another girl to get his rocks off.

>>84959276
>On wings birds of Pray
What series is this from?

>>84964585
I also thought that cut was out of place for actually looking like a decent effort. Someone make a webm

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>>84964535
Well he does kiss her though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JT8dnfmc0kQ

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>>84951056
some character establishment for normies?

>>84964535
absolutely.

>>84964585

time?

>>84951056
Establish her character, allow Batman to give insight into obsessed villains (he doesn't want her to have her own Joker), give Batgirl a reason to want to stop wearing the costume to make her adjustment into Oracle a little easier, plus it let Timm indulge the astronomical mega-boner he has for her. I swear, half of the poses she takes in this movie are nothing but fetish fuel.

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>>84966833

nwm

>>84964596
she was, but i dont know how or why theres people who cant accept it, batgirl was raped and its implied/hinted like 5 times in the movie

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>>84961204
>good thru forever
I never noticed that shit.

why doesnt batman rape Paris France

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>>84951056
Seeing how it was Tara Strong, would the sex scene have worked better with Raven?

>>84967755

Why would Barbara fuck Raven?

>>84968214
Why wouldn't she?

>>84968214
Because Barbara is a complete slut.

>>84951056
It was a story about Batgirl dealing with her own personal Joker-lite. Batgirl/Batman sex was completely incidental to the story but it triggered everyone so hard it's all they remember.

>>84967755
Where'd you find that?

>>84951173

>Nah that's not-
>wait she was playing along with the rapist sociopath who drugged her

Damn...

>>84954615
>Bruce Timm lives in a mindset where Barbara Gordon became Batgirl because she was a horny teenager who wanted to be fucked by Batman.
>This story shows us that, when it finally happened, she had no reason to be Batgirl anymore.

How the fuck did you come to that conclusion from the filler shit?

>>84967107
I get the feeling this was just included for the trailer shot.

>>84967755
>hair color is wrong
>no hood-up picture

Pretty shit model sheet desu

>>84970996
No, even in the trailer they couldn't cover up how ass the animation was, since it's only one cut. At least there was 1 person who wasn't entirely phoning it in for this adaptation.

>>84958845
I know outside context isn't the best for this sort of thing, but an interview with him makes it clear that it wasn't his intention:

>I don’t think that, actually. I did not think of it as supporting that. If I had, I probably would have changed the line. I never, ever thought that he actually raped her. Even in my first read of the comic, I never thought that. It just seemed like he shot her and then took her clothes off and took pictures of her to freak out her dad. I never thought that it was anything more than that.

>Here’s the thing: Whether he [raped her] or not, it’s still sexual violence. It’s still a horrible thing. So in my own head, I was already self-censoring the moment. Maybe just to make it a little more easier to get through. But it’s still a very horrible, horrible thing.

Source: http://collider.com/batman-the-killing-joke-bruce-timm-controversy/

>>84954263
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>>84967216

>>84964380
Except he had sex with her before the Joker shot her.

>>84967755
Her voice was more on the Twilight Sparkle end of the spectrum, so hearing a purple alicorn say "It's just sex!" was unnerving.

>everyone complaining about filler in a Killing Joke movie

what exactly did you guys expect? anyone who has actually read the Killing Joke should have questioned how they would make an entire movie out of it the second they heard they were doing so.

they should've just did a 1:1 killing joke and called it another DC showcase

>>84974071
People are upset that the filler is absolute shit.

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>>84951056

Timm ships Bruce-Babs.

So do I

>>84973002
when there's a contradiction between what the movie shows and what the creator says, the former takes precendece

>>84970916
By watching the movie critically and not having a hand in his pants the whole time