Jim Lee Confirms teh Hypercrisis is real

>tfw some CBRfag asked why is 52 so important, anyway

Everything's canon.

Yell yeah, it's just common sense. Anyone who ever denied the hypercrisis was delusional.

>>84926430
Define HYPERCRISIS

>>84926775
Eveything

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>>84926775
this chart may help

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>>84926775
>>84927006
But also Lee essentially states it in the OP with:

>But then you saw the mythology itself almost has its own sentience and will to define itself, because it's stories are kept in all our heads, and expressed through our creativity and the work that we do

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>>84927024
also there's some "DC is a living organism" stuff but I can't find it right now

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>>84927024
>>84927187

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>>84927024
yup

>>84927024
>>84927187
>>84927248
I really am enjoying how I cant tell what i wrote from what everyone else did. Like we are all merging into one hypermind

>>84930734
Having your posts reposted in a Hypercrisis thread is the coolest feeling.

>>84930734

First exposure to the Hypercrisis I had was that massive thread we had back in 2014 that THCB started by explaining the Speed Force. Since then it's been cool to see things you've contributed to being enshrined and adapted and expanded on by other people. I guess this must be how comic creators feel about other people playing with characters and plots they came up with in a shared universe.

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this recent one is good too

>>84924983
I think Micheal Moorecock was the first writer to really embrace multiverse theory.

>>84931343
Yes he was.
Who is the Eternal Champion of the DC universe then?

>>84931261

I did a brief study of cooperative/parasitic relations between organisms in college when I was getting my Bio degree, and that's not the only example of picking up new adaptations from other organisms. The human genome itself has a significant proportion of foreign genetic material picked up from viruses over millions of years of contact. Thylakoid organelles in plant cells are also thought to be the remnant of blue-green algae absorbed by other cells, and today there are species of animals that can piggyback on the photosynthesis process from algae that they eat that gets sequestered into their tissues. Symbiosis really complicates how we strictly define species and the processes of evolution.

>>84931421

Superman, of course.

>>84931421
Supes is kind of the obvious choice there Id say.

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>>84931606
>>84931571
>yfw the Eternal Champion is another name for the Superman Thought Robot

>>84928898
This never stops being funny. But for the love of God can we please prevent any possibility of Grant Morrison sticking his ancient dusty Scottish dick in the DC Universe.

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>>84931421
who'dya think

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>Everyone's obsessing over the Hypercrisis
>Conveniently forgetting about the Gentry
>You know, that one thing Morrison was talking about as a cursed hypersigil of sorts
>Sigils, as in the creepy fucking 'magick' things that start doing their shit when you forget them
>Example: Imaginary Range, a Square Enix app game (an interactive manga where the heroes wield imagination as a superpower) has already been infected.
>People constantly find references to the Gentry in comics and just point and gasp as if it's birdsighting
Just like the Blood Plague incident in World of Warcraft, it seems that if people get infected their first course of action is attempting to infect others.

Yu know, for the lulz!

>>84931767

Yeah, Eternity beat him to it already. Does Grant mind sloppy seconds?

>>84931982

There's the one guy who's convinced that the Gentry are trying to colonize the current Batman and Detective Comics books, but I think that's it.

>>84932041

And to add to that, I wasn't concerned about it until we got a corruption of All-Star Superman in Batman #4. Is Psycho Pirate on the wrong end of an invasion into the Multiverse again?

>>84932041
There's also the hypercrisisisforreal guy on Tumblr, but I think he's a bit mentally unstable.

>>84932100

Wait is that the same guy who made the repeated threads about seriously considering parts of comics universes bleeding over into our own a couple weeks back?

>>84932074
until we got a corruption of All-Star Superman in Batman #4
Got the pages, or is the thread still up? I think I missed that storytime.

>>84932176
It's not out yet, just the preview >>84926697

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>>84932159
Different kind of unstable, also I clearly missed too much incoherent rambling.

I wish I could be as insane as those guys, I love crazy conspiracy theories!

>>84926775
/co/ likes to use a lot of wankery-sounding Morrison terminology to describe it, but in a nutshell, it just means "audience headcanon sometimes gets to influence the narrative"

>>84932276

Someone made a thread about a psychotic break they had where they believed they existed in Gotham in the DCU had claimed to have years of real,
vivid memories about what it was like. Someone else seemed to latch onto the idea a but too hard and made repeated Hypercrisis threads trying to prove that there could be real, documented crossover between the main DCU and our world.

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>>84932304
>And then there's the sociopaths that take the concept too far and jerk off to sigils

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>>84925157
fucking plebs will never learn

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>>84932469
I can't imagine that happening with the 'Source Wall' they invented for the DC Universe. I'm not even sure if I get the concept right, it's a big ass white will surrounding our reality (Earth-33 but not really because E-33 is just based on our world except it was only made as a trap for the Gentry and holy shit Morrison how high WERE you when you wrote this shit) or some shit?

Okay, let me spit out some crazy theories. See if anything sticks.
>If you write fanfiction of Earth-33, you'll just release the Gentry upon yourself again by continuing the story, 'opening the closed trap' so to say.
>The field that prevents us from entering fictional universes (the Source Wall) is actually based on time/speed, as our world only goes forward in one line but fictional worlds go into a loop of infinity (the 8 shape).
>This is why the Flash and Booster Gold are constantly involved in all the multiversal events
>One way of escaping our reality into the DC Universe is in fact by dying (see: Colonel Sanders, Wally T. too soon?), thus making Death an important entity that guides souls from our universe to those of 'fiction'
I'm on FIRE.

>>84932469
I was actually going to bring this up. That femanon who had the psychotic break and had memories of being Harley also explained that she had memories indicating that our world is actually a copy of Earth-Prime that exists for the sake of Earth-Prime being able to be a concept in the comics. She explained that if that were to be true, shit would eventually go down in our world while our "true" self complains about it on /co/. Anyone have a cap of that?

>>84932801
shit I'm writing for a videogame.

for laughs I should write a fiction suit that I can escape into when I die.

>>84932921
I may or may not already have done that in DC Universe Online. (I figured I'd pick a multiverse I was familiar with.)

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>>84932870
>shit would eventually go down in our world while our "true" self complains about it on /co/
>Trump or Hillary as US president
>Terrorist attacks are becoming more and more common in the EU, or at least more commonly shown on the news
>The UK isolates itself (just waiting for a zombie/Elder God/horror outbreak, huh?)
HARLEY QUINN WAS RIGHT

>>84932801

Remember the youtube videos about the guy trying to beat Super Mario 64 with as few A button presses as possible? One way to escape out of bounds of the level geometry and move freely around it is to build up enough speed that the game misplaces the character model.

This is actually something that works on other game engines too for speedrunning purposes. Not in the same way. but the same general principle. Break the physics engine of the game hard enough and the game gets confused as to where you're supposed to be, and then you can manipulate that to go wherever or move past points that normally serves as sanity checks before the game realizes something's wrong.

Flash and Booster are anomalies that bypass sanity checks that bind the rest of the Multiverse and its inhabitants.

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>>84933228
You're inspiring me to launch people at such a velocity that they can travel through the Bleed.

Are you sure you want that much test subject blood on your hands?

>>84927006
Thought this is about DC.
Why are there booby spider from Tarot and Shield kabala .

>>84933377
hypercrisis is all-encompassing, we just first discovered it through DC

>>84933360

Particle Physics already experiments with that, what happens to the laws of the universe when matter approaches light speed, and what happens when it collides with other shit.

There's no need to involve human tests subjects, all the extra mass just makes it messier and harder to interpret results.

>>84933377
The Hypercrisis goes further than that, it's basically saying all fiction is inspired by each other and thus connected through some way or another.

Superman is a Jesus allegory, Wonder Woman drags the entire Olympian mythology with her, and obviously cartoons/comics making references and background cameos to other fictional universes.

>>84933443
but much more fun. also more likely to give superpowers...or death.

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>>84933443
Look, I just want an excuse to launch people at high velocities and document the onslaught. Let me have my fun.

>>84932970
those servers die eventually. you're gonna need a more stable universe to escape to. rip in piences chpions online.

>>84933474
>it's basically saying all fiction is inspired by each other and thus connected through some way or another.

My take on it is more Platonic in the sense that all fiction (or at least all GOOD fiction that resonates with the reader) is a reflection of both human nature and the nature lf the universe around us. Superhero stories are real not because they exist physically in some inaccessible and un-observable dimension (they might, but it's an unproveable hypothesis, and therefore useless for our purposes) but they are real because they involve real ideals like justice, integrity, the bonds of friendship and love, etc.

All fiction is related because it all reflects something necessary about our own existence. We need stories to survive, and the question of whether we create those stories or if they spring tonlife from somewhere else becomes a chicken-and-egg situation.

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>>84933732
While that's a practical and realistic approach to the Hypercrisis theory, it's also...boring.

Not to mention most of the surviving stories seem to be about the worst shit that human nature can cough up. Justice and integrity don't sell as well as Fifty Shades of Grey and Cosmo Magazine do.

>>84934124
>Not to mention most of the surviving stories seem to be about the worst shit that human nature can cough up. Justice and integrity don't sell as well as Fifty Shades of Grey and Cosmo Magazine do.

Contradicting yourself there, I think.

FSG won't survive. Twilight hasn't survived, really. Harry Potter has survived. Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Captain America have survived 75 years. Shakespeare has survived 400. Homer has survived 2500.

>>84934277
I'm personally interested in where videogame narratives are gonna go. some of them have fascinating implications.

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>>84933703
There's always the option of getting art of my fiction suit commissioned from (decent) artists, which I can then put on social media where everything is saved forever by paranoid government agencies, greedy advertisement companies and insane fangirls!

Eternity sounds awful! Yay!

>>84934124

Well yeah human nature isn't all sunshine and rainbows.

The way I see it there are three types of stories.

>Good stories
have elements that resonate with the readers positively, stick with them and lead to positive change in their own lives

>Bad stories
aren't believable and don't stick with the reader afterwards. Something about them doesn't reflect the world as we see it

>Dangerous stories
tell you comfortable lies about the world and reinforce negative changes. For the purposes of this thread, think of it in terms of a world corrupted by the Gentry.

>>84934362
counterpoint: wingbat, pornography, decent fanfiction, vanity press, indie video games and animation...

>>84934277

Fifty Shades of Grey and Cosmo magazine aren't preying on anything particularly original either. It's not like lust and pride have only recently been invented.

>>84931982
>>84932041
well there is the theory that Dr Manhattan's manipulations of the DC Universe is in turn due to manipulation by The Empty Hand

>>84934572

I don't think there's malice behind Manhattan's manipulations. Just misplaced curiosity.

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>>84934277
>Shakespeare
SPOILER ALERT: HAMLET IS FUCKING INSANE, NOT IN A POSITIVE WAY. ROMEO AND JULIET DOES NOT EXACTLY HAVE A HAPPY ENDING EITHER.
>Homer
>Iliad and Odyssey
>In any way connected to the positive nature of humans
Because the Trojan War was totally not about Gods and people being complete cunts. I'm sorry, but those don't seem like good examples of the glass being half-full.

And let's never forget all the messed up shit Superman and friends go through. Injustice is an actual written thing now, for god's sake!

>>84934601
that's exactly what I'm thinking, with said curiosity being implanted in him by The Empty Hand, it'd fit with what Johns said about Dr Manhattan's role in this being more than just another villain to punch to save the day

also there will be a meeting between Doctor Manhattan and Captain Allen Adam, and it will be interesting to say the least

>>84934747
>with said curiosity being implanted in him

Manhattan is a scientist by nature. There's nothing external about that curiosity. Before he leaves to go to a higher plane of existence in Watchment he even says he wants to experiment with creating life.

My thought is that he was trying to replicate the Watchmen universe, which gave us Pax Americana instead.

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Some crazy dude in a robe was preaching about religion in the city, didn't seem to be in the mood for conversation but his sign did make me think of how people put connections between stories and life.

>>84934871
said manipulation isn't for creating life, it's for manipulating it afterwards, what other explanation could there be for him stealing 10 years of history and love from the universe?

>>84934963

The idea of the 12 tribes of Israel representing different races isn't particularly new. Hell, the Mormons believe a variation of it.

>>84935546
INDIANS ARE JEWS

>>84935594
WE

>>84937064
JEW IN THE LOO

>>84934963
How the fuck would American negroes be Jews when they were brought out of deep Africa?

>>84935299

Like I said, I think he was trying to replicate the Watchmen universe. After all, you can't do experiments in science without a control group, or without the ability to replicate your results.

This was empirical study on his part.

>>84937126
DESIGNATED

>>84932471
Don't diss it till you've tried it.

>>84937064

PRESIDENT NOW

>>84932522
>this was before Rebirth

Hypercrisis will never stop freaking me out

>>84931982
>yfw The Gentry is actually the DCEU

>>84940100
To be fair Johns is autistic enough to be on /co/ and participating in hypercrisis threads anyway. Remember he once spent 12 hours talking on the phone about Kanto with Fabok while they were working on Darkseid War and then Kanto only got like one page.

>>84940303
Johns is in this thread right now