Dr. Strange's Strongest Opponent

>>84852886
Shuma, no contest. If Shuma breaks into 616, the universe just ends.

>>84852899
This.

Dormammu in his own realm is strong as fuck and definitely Strange's true nemesis, but Shuma-Gorath is simply not on a tier you can 'fight' in a classical comic book sense.

Shuma-Gorath pretty much the final boss for Doctor Strange.

Shuma can attack you on so many metaphysical levels, I know he's not the only "many angled one", but Shuma is a death sentence.

If you can even defeat Shuma-Gorath, you're still fucked because you become him. Hence why Strange will always fight enough to push Shuma back to wherever he's coming from

I've only ever seen Shuma in the context of Marvel vs Capcom games where he's just one more weirdo with kind of a jokey story-line.

What stuff can I read that has him as this terrifying outer-worldly force?

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>>84853080

Okay, I know Shuma is the obvious answer... but can a case be made for Zom or Cthon?

>>84853080
>>84853158

Doesn't he end up in Conan the barbarians universe at one point?

>>84853080

Marvel Premiere #3-15 is pretty much it? Any other time Shuma appears it's a one off or just a name drop

Pretty sure the most recent was during Infinity. Strange is brainwashed into summoning a physical manifestation of Shuma to New York, but gets pushed back by Blue Marvel and Monica Rambeau

>>84853210

He shows up during Strange's new run

>>84853223

I wouldn't recommend reading it though. Imperikul is so lame and the "death of magic" is such an obvious depower for movie synergy

>>84853200
Yeah. Crom fucks him up.

>>84853272
Based grim God of the north.

>>84853210

He plays a big role in Strange Tales v2.

>>84852960
>Shuma-Gorath is simply not on a tier you can 'fight' in a classical comic book sense.
tell that to Conan

>>84853272

Is Crom the reason we have to deal with Shuma?

CROOOOOMMMM!

>>84853370

Conan didn't really fight Shuma, he relied on From and some magic books to do the heavy lifting.

>>84853464

Crom*. Stupid autocorrect.

>>84853200
Sort of. Marvel's Conan the Barbarian comics actually take place in the distant past of Earth-616 (and yes, through time travel, Conan and Red Sonja have traveled to the present, and Spider-Man and other superheroes have been to the Hyborian Age). They can't actually reference Conan himself or other characters from the books because they lost the license, but Marvel can still use things they created in the Conan comic, and they are still considered canonical to Earth-616's history.

Score Strange rouges gallery general?

Loved when he took on the Fear Lords. RIP Straw-Man

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Silver Dagger is clearly the most powerful

>>84853544

heh that's pretty cool, so sort of like Godzilla and the Micronauts?

>>84853171
Chthon raped Strange's ass when he tried to attack him in the Flickering Realms.

Strange does not understand Chaos Magic, which Chthon created.

What are the best Doctor Strange comics? The movie trailer got me interested.

>>84853636
Yep. Exactly like Godzilla and the Micronauts (albeit easier to sweep under the rug when the license expired, due to the whole "being set in the distant past" thing).

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>>84853603

Hey, don't knock Silver Dagger. He's a great idea that just hasn't been utilized properly in a while.

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>>84853744

Everything that doesn't feature Blue Mage or 90s goth trenchcoat Strange

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>>84853810

Man, fuck 90s Strange in the ass. Those were some terrible comics.

>>84853799

Pretty sure Silver Dagger got rekt by Rintrah?

Is Rintrah still alive? Has he ever come back?

>>84853680
Well yeah because Chaos magic is a misnomer and it's the magic of womankind

Fuck Robinson

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>>84853844
>Is Rintrah still alive? Has he ever come back?

No, because Roy Thomas is a dick.

>>84853863

C'thon #1 vagina super fan

>>84853260
I don't know, I thought it has been pretty fun.
Though I've been wondering why none of the abstracts or really powerful magic guys haven't done anything about those magic killing fucks yet.

>>84852886

Didn't Doom take his cookies?

>>84853940

Who, Strange?

>>84853913
one version of one planet in the omniverse having a bit of a dry spell for a year is probably so far below their radar its not even worth looking into

>>84853171
I think the last time Zom showed up was World War Hulk?

Strange made a deal with Zom for more demonic power to fight the Green Scar and it basically amounted to big maces for fists.
And that was somewhat related to Strange losing his position as Sorcerer Supreme

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>>84853557

>TOP TIER
Shuma-Gorath, Dormammu, Kaluu, Mephisto

>GOOD TIER
Umar, Cthon, The Fear Lords, Dracula

>MEDIOCRE TIER
Silver Dagger, Mordo, Satannish

>SHIT TIER
Zom, Mephista, Yandroth, Lilith

>>84853200
>>84853272
>>84853544
Shuma-Gorath is actually from one of Robert E. Howard's Kull stories, "The Curse of the Golden Skull." He's just a name invoked in a curse, though.

>>84853913

Yeah pretty sure any member of the Vishanti, Cyrotakk, or any other godly type being could wreck Imperikul

>>84853975

Doctor Strange? the SORCERER Doctor Strange?

>>84853260
I feel the same way about the monthly releases but going back and reading it 4-5 issues at a time, it's pretty good.

Definitely below God Butcher but definitely above the mess Aaron wrote after it. If anything, I'd say this is a little too much like God Butcher but with Magic.

>>84853863
Chthon created Witches, therefore witches had greatest knowledge of his magic, thus Agatha Harkness understood it.

Robinson completely missed the point with the "woman magic" thing, and missed a whole angle of Chthon's connection to witchcraft as a rich avenue of history to explore to pander to SJWs.

Robinson's Silver Surfer:
"I draw my Power Cosmic not from Galactus, but from the power inherent in Penis."

>>84854087
Chthon = Class 1 (top tier) Demon
Mephisto = Class 3 (mediocre tier) Demon

Umar and Mephista are just rule 63 clones.

>>84854087

>Satannish
>Mediocre

Come on. He's totally equal to Mephisto. Both of them almost got into an all out brawl over who gets to kill Strange

>>84854843
>>84854087
Did anyone ever use Umar after that Defenders mini? Much as I love the mini, I want to see her redeemed from being a joke slut character.

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The biggest threat to Strange is that Dark Dimension pawg Clea


OH SWEAT VASHANTI LOOK AT THAT BOOTY

>>84854843

I ain't ranking on power levels. Mephisto's less powerful but a much more enjoyable character than Cthon.

>>84855269

Everyone knows Clea is where it's at. Especially Benjamin Franklin.

>>84854128
Yep. And because Marvel actually did something with Shuma (namely, making him a character instead of a one-off name, and trademarking/copyrighting him), that means they own him.

Incidentally, since Howard's Conan and Kull stories and H.P. Lovecraft's Cthulhu Mythos referenced each other now and then (e.g. a Cimmerian named "Crom-Ya" appears in Lovecraft's "The Shadow out of Time", Howard's "The Tower of the Elephant" explicitly references the Old Ones and outright mentioned Cthulhu in the first draft), and because Conan is canon to Marvel, that also makes Marvel (most notably, Strange's corner of Marvel, due to the Shuma-Gorath connection) a peripheral part of the Cthulhu Mythos.

Figured this would be the best place to ask but is there anything older worth reading with Doctor Voodoo?

I'm about to read Avenger of the Super Natural.

>>84852886
Beyonder.

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>>84853810
>>84853825
Sure is PLEB in here.

>>84852886
>'''''people'''' actually think shitstains like Hulk or Sentry can hold a candle to this guy

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>>84858251
got btfo by Doom

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>>84853370
Robert E Howard was pals with Lovecraft so Conan gets to fight eldritch shit that is even beyond capes powers

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>>84859410
>Doom
>not the greatest human being in all of fiction
Pick one.

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>>84857497

Huh, maybe this series is actually canon, then.

Who is the most powerful?

How can there be any doubt? Just listen to this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqy5jqpLbgw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6mDxjG49K8

To be honest, I think Strange's most powerful enemy is Zom.

I mean, if Dormammu and Eternity team up and the most they can do is imprison you...

Also, consider this:

ETERNITY: "Thanos is attempting to usurp me! I ask that the Living Tribunal intervene!
LIVING TRIBUNAL: "nope, lol"
CHAOS KING: "I shall destroy the universe entire! Death, the gods and demons have already fallen before my might!"
LIVING TRIBUNAL: (snores)
STRANGE: "In the name of the Eternal, by the rings of Ragadorr, tho' his spirit be infernal, Zom must live once more!"
LIVING TRIBUNAL:"oshit, nigga, what have you done?!"

>>84854087
>Kaluu
>villain

pls

>>84859338
>thinking Hulk and Sentry are remotely on the same tier

nigga Bob is a reality warper and right now emergency powered by Celestials, he'd lose to Classic Strange of course, but come on he operates on similar level of bullshit asspull powers which I absolutely adore

>>84862407
>>84862407
this guy knows what's fucking up

>>84862407

On the other hand, Zom was originally beaten by giving him a haircut. He's kind of a stupid villain.

>>84863191

That is precisely why he's so great.

>>84852886
Magus

>>84863294
Sentry should have a new mini every year

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>>84864738
>Remenders promised "Rising Sun" FUCKING NEVER
>awesome/awkward team-ups never
>cosmic insanity never
>meeting with Ultimates and Thanos never
>rematch with Anti-Man never

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>84861997
Marvel needs to do more horror. Actually, comics in general needs more horror. It used to be a dominant genre.

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Back to page one!

>>84853603
>>84853799

I really want them to bring back Silver Dagger as a super experienced magehunter who's responsible for the relatively low number of powerful sorcerers in the MU: because he's been murdering anyone who gets too powerful for years.

Aaron's whole "War on magic" shtick would have been way cooler if Silver Dagger had been behind it instead of these Empirikul clowns.