Hit me with the worst artwork you've seen on a popular comic.
Bump
>>84762417
Ah come on, I liked that issue of Sandman. The art is weird as hell, but I wouldn't call it bad.
>>84762417
Obligatory Greg Land post.
That almost made me give up on Sandman. I can't even imagine what terrible fate would that have been.
Anons will literally defend JRJR's lazy incompetent ass.
And yes, I am aware that he drew competently three decades ago.
>>84762830
>>84762417
these look fine
The Dark Knight Rises
Superman: For all seasons (just the colors are nice)
>>84764134
I can't believe this fucker traced the same face twice.
>>84764336
He draws great today though, he's just highly dependent on a good inker since his pencils are nuts
>>84764336
It looks like a dance move from a music video. But Romita only really dropped in quality during AvX, which as >>84764558 said probably has to do with the inker of the storyline and that it was an event, which are usually rushed.
>>84764558
Never been able to swallow his style, squares and sharp angles everywhere and that ugly hatching that makes everything look dirty, but doesn't come off as shadow or volume at all, almost worse than Liefeldcorps 90's style hatching.
>>84764558
Nah, his style is still shit.
tan eng huats art has had its ups and downs, and its downs are PRETTY far down there
like draws a face and then goes "hmm not quite right yet, better add more lines" and then just keeps adding lines till it looks right or hes outta ink whichever happens first
Literally everything Marvel did since somewhere between the middle and late 90's.
>>84765130
Didn't Earth X come out around that time? Really asking.
Unbeatable Squirrel Girl.
>>84765167
I don't know but that was the times were Marvel started to use a shading weeaboo-like style for everything, and this is fucking disgusting to see.
>>84765167
First issue March 1999, yeah.
>>84762830
Dude on the right reminds me of Beavis and Butthead. Or maybe King of the Hill.
>>84764336
>artist is so awful you literally can't tell if Giant Man is using his powers
>>84765176
low hanging fruit
>>84765176
he said 'popular' comics
>>84766287
Frankly, all the artwork in the Immortal Iron Fist: Caretakers side story is godawful.
>>84766287
I seriously thought that was Egoraptor in the first panel for a minute
>>84762830
I just finished this a few days ago, and its the first thing I thought of when I saw the OP. "The Kindly Ones" (?) arc had the just style.
>>84766816
Jesus Christ, why does he have two jaws?
>>84764293
It was nice of Clark to dress like Dick for Halloween.
>>84768271
I'm guessing by looks alone he tried to do a Kurt Cobain and fellated a shotgun, but ended up like Arseface and just blew off his chin.
>>84764293
fuck you Simon Bisley is great, also that book was meant to look surreal as fuck
>>84764341
Kelley's art isn't technically bad. I'd say lifeless. Especially when it comes to Dream
>>84764336
>>84765015
>those faces
>>84771982
Did that anon who storytime dredd ever do this one? I really wanna see some batman/dredd crossover
>>84762417
>>84762830
That's not even that bad.
>>84762417
Pic unrelated, I assume?
>>84764336
He was one of the best in the industry in the 80s and 90s.
Then he adapted what he calls "deadline style", which he literally says just means drawing as fast as possible.
>>84775790
>>84775856
(You)
>>84771982
Bisley is one of the best.
>>84775790
its not laughably bad
but this is not how you shade
>>84775926
Do you understand the difference between technique and stylization?
>>84775949
See: >>84775970
On a technical level it's pretty OK.
Here's another drawing by the same artist from the same time period.
Not really bad but I laughed at this for a few minutes.
>>84776028
What Kelley Jones done as of recent are all Batman titles.
>>84775874
I don't think it's what he meant. What he meant is: if he meets the deadline, that's his style. Meaning, he liked working on a book so much, he actually met the deadline.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKKTGd_N7YU&ab_channel=DareDevilDocumentary
>>84764921
Shit response, famm
>>84776983
He's explicitly said that the change in his style is because he just started drawing faster. It looks like that because it's rushed as fuck.
>>84762417
Any of the Poser-abusing artists like Deodato or Janin or the guy who did Midnighter's recent book.
This, I think his name is Milonogianis but every page was like this. The writing for All-new Ultimates wasn't great but it was bearable until this guy showed up doing the art.
>>84762417
Modern Marvel thread?
>>84778915
A few more examples
>>84778933
>>84764405
>twice
come on now anon more like 50 times
>>84778915
>implying the Prophet: Earth War and the future G.I. JOE relaunch artist can't into the Big Two
>>84778915
he was top tier on prophet with layouts by graham
nobody gave a shit about the post cataclysm ultimates because it was going to end anyway
>>84765015
I got into a big argue years ago with some dumbass who tried to claim this wasn't shit-tier art, complete with me fixing the art in photoshop and showing how awful it was. Needless to say, time well spent.
Might just be me, but I've always been really into Jones' art.
>>84762417
That looks fine, the placement of shadow is a little weird though.
Jeff Palo ladies and gentlemen.
>>84779932
Does he get better with that Ulysses Infinite Comic?
>>84779932
Rulk hasn't had the best of luck in the art department.
>>84779932
Most of this looks alright, you photorealismfags are cancer
>>84775949
>Who are inkers and colorists
>>84778250
>ACO
>Poser
Go into poser and mimic any of the dynamic shots he did and maybe I'll believe you
>>84780104
He needs a better inker.
>>84776028
The tree's got a mushroom boner going on to the woman's left.
>>84780459
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>>84780346
>those bruises
>>84780599
The machinery on the left looks like they're bought from the DAZ 3D website.
>>84780599
his 90s and onward stuff wasn't the best but it was okay
now he's just greg land tier
someone post that lego ship
>>84780599
I just realized what this reminds me of,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Lt-Ow4sCR0
>>84780713
He started as inspired by Rob Liefeld.
Who's the Frank guy they always have do the punisher for some reason?
>>84780289
You wouldn't?
>>84780762
Steve Dillon. He's not BAD so much as he just can't draw faces.
Miller used to be my favorite artist, I dunno what the fuck happened.
I didn't even think DK2 looked all that bad, but this is just fucking awful.
>>84780925
Other than the fists, this is fine.
>>84780058
>Ed McGuiness
>Art Adams
>Frank Cho
>Not the best
What?
>>84780925
most of the time it's just the coloring that's ugly as shit
>>84780950
No colorist could save this.
>>84780925
Shitty coloring
>>84780934
>>84780950
You must be joking
>>84780950
That's his fault.
>>84780923
Just like Henderson.
>>84780979
>>84781016
he had a point with that one, ti's still horrible
some of the interiors of the minis were almost prime miller though
>>84781014
>Better at action
>better paneling
>actually draws backgrounds
no
>>84780983
>>84781016
lmao at these idiots thinking a retro filter mitigates any of the terrible anatomy of the batman picture, or makes supes look like anything less than a mongoloid. Bad drawings are bad, the coloring changes literally nothing.
>>84779932
this is pretty good
>>84781042
except he literally improved the leg using coloring?
>>84780599
is there anything in this page that's actually drawn
>>84780459
>>84780467
this is all good bar 3 or 4 panels, i thought this was a shit art thread but you faggots are insufferable
>>84781042
Don't force me to play the "It's my style" card in all sincerity, anon.
>>84781079
It's meant to demonstrate the decline of Dillon's art. Starts off great, ends up Dillon-tier.
>>84781065
Batman's? He coloured in a bit so it doesn't look like it's broken, but it's still about a foot longer than it should be, given the position of his pelvis. This anon's >>84780992 diagram is kind of shitty, but should get it across
>>84781086
You can play it if you want, but you can't play it and still maintain that the recolour objectively improved them. It's a double-edged sword, anon.
>>84762417
That art is awesome
ugly and unpleasant art =/= bad art
>>84781042
>accurate anatomy is the only measure for good art
Fucking kill yourself you insufferable faggot
>>84779932
>>84780058
>Tony Moore
>Jeftr Palo
Fuck off, pleb.
>>84781129
The recolor did objectively improve them though, the coloring was dogshit
>>84780935
Not them. Just those two and USAvengers.
>>84781142
not that anon, but the batman picture's composition is bad. his left leg is coming out of is left hand and its hard to distinguish whats going on with his knee and right bicep. Its just a weird mess and i feel it could be drawn better.
I mean dont get me wrong stylistic choices like >>84779932 are good because we can read it as a static image and good silhouettes.
>>84781155
You can't like Palo unless you're Palo. Moore is decent, but his Red Hulk looks like Kevin James with a feather duster on his head.
>>84781142
Look at my masterpiece, anon. You can't say it's bad because {whatever you judge it by} isn't the only measure for good art.
>>84781183
I agree, but I'm saying he can't talk about objective improvements and use the subjective "well I like that style" argument at the same time
>>84779932
Okay. I'm noticing that he does funky, exaggerated polygons that are inconsistent and put the least detail I've ever seen in background characters.
>>84781197
thing is its meant to look statuesque, empowered like. Dynamism over actuality similar to DKSA.
I do give you props for an actual argument unlike the other anon though.
>>84762417
The first few volumes of Sandman are pretty bad.
Steve Sanders isn't that bad, but his Beast is so fucking weird.
>>84781222
ok so you are just a retard then
>>84765176
>>84766250
>>84766287
Unbeatable Squirrel Girl is easy mode,i hope Henderson is getting paid to much to draw this shit.
>>84781211
Fuck off, pleb.
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>>84781461
those claws aren't even attached to anything... they're just drawn straight on top of his hands, like they're cut out of paper or something
>>84781355
>cherrypicking panels of characters with masks
>>84776028
It's pretty typical for artists to emualte the styles of existing successful artists. That's why there were so many similar artists to Jim Lee and McFarlane. Kelley Jones' influence was Bernie Wrightson.
>>84781461
>21st-century Chaykin
>>84781461
I really liked american flagg
what happened
>>84781485
>bad faces means the art is irredeemable
Here it is again, in a storytelling, primarily action based medium, faces are low on the list.
>>84781485
>He draws ugly faces so he is bad
I hat nu/co/
>>84781461
Obligatory
>>84781533
>>84780599
What with the circled shoulder?
>>84781539
He also forgot that 'Cuda lost hos fingers in the end of his first arc
>>84781541
Just to highlight where the lazy fuck never bothered to hide the corners of the polygons
Do not over inflate.
I stopped buying Spider-Man comics because of this artist.
>>84764134
OP said artwork
>>84781600
>>84781612
Same artist.
>>84781612
Liking Humberto Ramos is for super-plebs and casuals.
>>84776121
Is it a plane?
>>84781612
>>84781600
>>84781628
So fucking BAD
>>84765526
This, I keep going back to it and my eyes are full of fuck.
>>84781653
I actually like his artstyle.
>>84781600
Turtlerine?
>>84762417
I can't stand Jim Lee.
>>84780599
Using elements of CGI in comics only works if you put in a lot of effort to hide the CGI.
>>84764558
Holy shit, /co/ is full of tasteless plebs who don't know shit about art.
No wonder comic books are a shit art form, even the fringe audience has shit taste.
>>84781222
It looks like something out of 'baman piderman'
Might be low hanging fruit since it's a webcomic, but I think that David Willis' art hasn't really improved much since 2007.
>>84762417
Sorry, it's an /a/ post.
There is something i dislike with stephen bissettes drawings but i can't put my finger on it.
His women kind of looks like trannies too
>>84781888
Sauce?
>>84781846
While we're on the subject of webcomics...
>>84781899
This better not be from a published comic book.
I would only consider it passable as a webcomic.
>>84781888
Try again
>>84781684
>>84781909
goblins is a great example of how high detail will do nothing for your art if the foundation isn't solid
>>84781966
Here's the latest 'Goblins' comic.
Pretty much the same art, just with shading.
>>84781904
A+X #2
>>84781899
Published
>>84781977
>Published
fuck
I guess they really wanted the weeaboo market in 2003.
>>84781977
>A+X #2
Is Bachalo better when he inks his own pencils? But that copy-pasted photo background...
>>84780459
>>84780467
these remind me of billy joel lmao
>>84764336
>Spider-Man
>>84781888
seriously, why did he start doing this
>>84781846
David Willis doesn't have any creative juices left, thats why he "rebooted" his universe and set everything in college, its the most pathetic thing I've ever seen.
>>84781612
>>84781600
>>84781888
what
>>84782265
This isn't bad. It's called stylish.
>>84764405
>twice
>>84782367
Stylishly shit you mean.
>>84766287
Forget the faces. She didn't even bother drawing a background at all.
>>84782408
No. Stylish good. Just because you don't like stylish art doesn't mean it's bad.
Squirrel Girl is bad. This isn't.
>>84781909
This looks like some really fucking disturbing fetish comic
>>84782265
>People think this is the same as Ramos
You make me sad.
The thing about these threads is that people always name artists who CAN draw if they try. Dillon, Chaykin, Miller, Stroman, JRJR, Ramos, Deodato, hell, even Henderson. What about artists who have literally never done anything passable?
>>84782367
Stylishly Bad
>>84781865
Doesn't that comic also update once a year or something?
>>84782265
I thought she just went by Stilt-man. Is this a different lady that has taken on the mantle?
>>84782489
Stylishly good. Just because it's not realistic doesn't mean it's bad. Shut the fuck up.
>>84782087
Is Greg Horn an inferior version of Alex Ross?
>>84781888
What? What's wrong with Bachalo's art?
>>84782540
He's talking about the background ripped from a photo.
At least I fucking hope he is because Bachalo's great.
>>84782436
It's bad, it would maybe be acceptable as a one frame in animation but not in comic page. The artist needs to go back to the drawing board, literally.
>>84782556
Comic art doesn't have to be stiff like shitty house artists works. It is good.
>>84782556
Whatever you say, average Jim Lee fan.
>>84782556
its fine quit being a fag
>>84781927
Reminded me of Batman The Cult.
The whole book is filled with pages like this.
>>84782621
Is that at all edited? It's hilarious
>>84782265
>hating on Canete
>>84782674
It's real. I quite like the art aside from that.
>they don't know about War Machine 2.0
Kelley Jones, Simon Bisley, and especially Jason Keith get mentioned ALL the time in these threads and it makes me want to murder.
>>84782621
bravo
>>84782621
Which is a direct mandate to copy The Dark Knight Returns.
Bernie Wrightson is a goddamned master. Batman: The Cult was not a thing he gave a shit about.
>>84782757
That artist is not heard of again.
>>84762417
>>84762830
Are you stupid?
>>84782605
Looks like absolute shit mate. If it is not Ramos it's worse than him.
>>84762417
>>84782849
Why are you giving opinions if you can't even tell artists apart?
>>84782002
Hell yeah they did. late 90s- early 2000s is when the US publishers FINALLY noticed manga as a popular thing and guys like Joe Mad and Adam Warren got big.
And look at this shit.
>>84781878
He and Rick Veitch have style that i've ever only liked in Swamp Thing. Anything beyond that and their work is just too ...off.
>>84782932
And Marvel continues hiring Japanese artists to this day.
>>84780713
>>84783029
Rooney's favorite comic.
>>84783029
>>84783029
WHY DID HE DRAW THE STUDS??
WHAT THE FUCK WAS HE THINKING????
>>84783029
it's so fucking good
>>84782874
Is this some Marvel meets 40K crossover?
>>84783098
I wish.Venom #9.
>>84783073
He could have saved himself so much work and it would have looked better! He just needed to copy the shape, and ignore the details, and we'd barely have been the wiser!
>>84762417
>Caricatyrised, top quality art
>bad
>>84782904
It's pretty obvious that it's a copy cat.
>>84773552
His art is inconsistent because he was one of the earliest Greg Lands out there, just blatantly tracing rock music posters and other stuff for his anatomy.
>>84781649
No, it's a bird!
>>84782804
I think his art just doesnt translate to print colors very well, they shouldve kept all his art black and white.
>>84782874
Those are Skyrays from the first Dawn of War game too. Thats not even tracing anymore, thats copy-pasting shit from a screenshot, with a photoshop blur filter smoothing the edges.
>>84783536
Didn't even change the colours.
>>84765015
I quite like it, the idea of creating shadows and contours with full lines is pretty interesting. It could probably do with better coloring and more exciting subject matter.
>>84779932
> A Marvel comic that doesn't use the same photo realistic, generic art style
> People hate it
Okay, now I know why I can't stand any of the art in most Marvel comics
>>84780058
Ehh, that one looks pretty good. At least the chunkiness there is intentional.
>>84783776
Not asking for that. I'd be cool with a retro style akin to Kirby, Ditko, and Romita.
>>84780925
Fun fact: Miller was supposed to do a cover for Judge Dredd Megazine, to celebrate that title's anniversary.
Unfortunately, 2000AD's EiC thought it was shit, and when Miller found out he was all "FINE, don't use it, see if I care!"
>>84777945
Nah, this guy explains it pretty well: >>84764680
I feel the same way about it.
>>84779932
I actually kind of like that.
>>84781786
Trolling? I mean it's cool if he is outside your tastes, but you can't really say he is bad.
>>84782932
That's actually one of my favorite styles from the time. I even bought his other comics, Dark Angel, IIRC.
>>84782087
Wow, if you're going to draw over 3D models, can you at least avoid replicating the weird ass phong shading?
>>84782932
You know, aside from swole Angel and Akagietro, that's pretty boss imo.
I get shit on but I abhor Lafuente. I hate his faces mainly. Every body has this weird puckered look that I just can't stand
>>84779932
The drawings are good, maybe he need another color artist.
>>84781976
Goblins isn't really entirely shit. The story is halfway fun, it doesn't take itself as seriously as everyone claims, and the DND bullshit is actually well done & interesting. Too bad it seems like theyve been in the current dungeon for years.
>>84786682
He comes up with really cool shit as a DM, I'll give him that.
>>84780979
EWWWWW
Goddamn it Frank, why did you have to draw Supes like he's made out of rotten meat?
>>84783988
the fuck? thats not how it went down at all. EiC didn't think it worked and told Miller who was disappointed by the response and said they didn't have to pay any commission fee's.
Dont shit-talk what you dont know you dumb cunt
>>84787100
My bad. I was trying to remember what Diggle said at a con panel about a year ago.
>>84787165
i suppose that was harsh, apologies. Just annoys me when people shit talk miller as he's honestly a really nice guy.
>>84787238
Hey, no harm, no foul.
>>84783073
>DRAW
Its a low-res, blocky 3D model clipping into another. Editing the model to remove the studs would have been extra work.
>>84781927
It was published.
It was back in 2004 or something, and bad cgi was everywhere. It looks bad, but I really don't hold it against artists who did it back then. It was the new thing, and everyone wanted to try it out. Most realized it looked like shit, so it was either dropped, or the cgi was used more sparingly.
When it got to be 2007-2008and onward and an artist was still using it, then i'd start to get upset.
>>84782409
Some panels look better without them.
>>84779932
Oh man, I tthought The leader was Jerald in that firt panel
>>84762417
Rob Liefeld is such low-hanging fruit I almost feel guilty posting it here.
>>84783923
God forbid anyone try something different
>>84788379
>Liefeld and bad art
>not posting these
http://www.progressiveboink.com/2012/4/21/2960508/worst-rob-liefeld-drawings
http://www.progressiveboink.com/2012/6/14/3084348/the-second-40-worst-rob-liefeld-drawings
>>84765176
>>84766250
Why don't you like squirrel girl?
>>84762417
>>84763149
That is one of the few artists I own artwork from a comic. Well, a Who's Who issue.
>>84782621
>>84782741
>>84782778
>>84781927
>>84778250
>Poser-abusing
Poser shit stands out to me and drives me crazy. Instant not-buy.
>>84776121
I actually kind of dig this. He's clearly stylized in an intentional triangle. The worst art is when an artist actually fails at drawing what he/she intended (she also, Squirrel Girl artist having to explain that black... person... was a woman and not a tranny).
>>84775949
So, you've taken an art class?
>>84789280
>Squirrel Girl artist having to explain that black... person... was a woman and not a tranny
I don't get that; there are plenty of actual women, black or otherwise, who look mannish. Just people complaining to complain.
>>84789615
Henderson said there was a trans character in the comic, everyone thought it was the black woman, and she had to clarify
>>84781878
>>84782987
Y'all have problems.
>>84781846
2003-2004 looks the best. After that she gets shorter and fatter. Suppose to help his audience relate.
>>84789615
Yeah drawing a man and calling it a woman isn't something that belongs in a bad art thread at all.
>>84783988
Based 2000ad.
>>84781786
I find him kind of boring.
But hes a great artist. To say hes bad would be a lie.
>>84784014
>Trolling? I mean it's cool if he is outside your tastes, but you can't really say he is bad.
literally all the male heroes have the same face. they all looks like they are in their early 20s.
he is shitty at caracter design
>>84780058
it looks like bara art that people dump here every so often
>>84789662
Ah.
>>84790145
Have you been chained in a basement for your entire life? Or do you think that all women should look like hot models/movie stars?
Mannish women are a thing; once
I called a woman customer "Sir" back in my retail days because she looked like a dude.
That was awkward as fuck.
fuck off dillondrones, motherfuker is turrible
>>84790547
He;s another one who was great at one time. Deodato was always good as well as Land.
Why do they all degrade over time?
>>84790547
Is this an army of Frank soldier clones trying to kill Frank and a female iteration of Frank from another universe or something? That what it look like
>>84782837
I'm pretty sure it was Chuck Austen using an alias.
>>84790718
because they get payed the same regardless of quality.
>>84790396
I don't mind his faces. I agree he is shit at character design, but the thing with western comics is that most of the time he isn't drawing characters he designed himself.
>>84781977
The bodies look so good but the faces look so bad.
>>84781945
It's very expressive and dynamic, which is good, but there are some technical issues as well as issues with consistent character likeness, I think.
>>84783029
How on earth could someone think this is a good idea
>>84783062
Well that's factually incorrect.
Brandon Peterson
>>84793594
>no one told him Hercules was the main character so he puts Thor front and center
also that literally looks like he created those models in Champions Online
Will Sliney
David Finch
Billy Tan
>>84793776
Oh, forgot about Salvador Larroca.
>>84779932
Literally painful to read that Thunderbolts. For the writing and visuals.
There was one panel of Punisher shooting I think he was literally just 4 black rectangles
>>84781016
The fucking guy was a bad cough away from death here.
I'm surprised he could hold a fucking pencil. The fact he drew that is pretty much a miracle
>>84793776
If billy tan worked on his anatomy and got some better coloring he could be a decent artist
I hope he tries to improve and not just churn out shit endlessly
>>84782874
Ariel Olivetti? I love his Cable and Hulk
>>84783988
Post it, its fucking hilarious
>>84790547
I literally will never buy a Punisher book because of this guy. Fuck Dillon
>>84765055
my mugga
>>84794559
you know he hasn't drawn every Punisher book ever, right?
>>84790547
Has he ever drawn an attractive female?
This shit right here. Abe Sapien #27; or how to fuck a good story with a shitty manga style.
>>84773552
>MUH DRAGONS
>>84794630
I vaguely remember Chantinelle being attractive in Hellblazer
>>84780599
there's really no point in tracing over cgi models if you're just gonna do typical poses that'd probably be quicker to draw yourself (well if you're not a hack), especially when you make them look like such shit too
western artists prove again what hacks they are
>>84782556
>Theres TOO MUCH motion!
>>84788547
>this still gets posted.
yeil.
>>84775882
what comic is this? I don't really read comics but I like this art style
>>84782367
No, "muh style," is not an excuse for being bad. Something can be stylish without also being crap.
>>84794689
Jesus fuck are you kidding me? That's gotta be the only Mignola-verse page where I couldn't immediately see that it's in the mignola-verse, even though there's been a ton of different artist's takes across its publication. They've all managed to have their own looks without looking completely alien.
And here I was just thinking of finally catching up with the Abe Sapien part and that it'd be great.
>>84795504
Are you retarded or just stupid?
>>84782265
That looks amazing, though.
>>84795636
>not an argument
>>84795654
Looks more likeSpectacularto me.
>>84766816
This looks like it's trying to imitate 18th or 19th century asian woodblock art. It's not bad, but I never considered it to convey action very well.
>>84771982
I loved the artwork he did for Lobo: Last Czarnian miniseries.
>>84795636
He's a tripfag. Ignore and move on.
>>84795042
At least he draws it himself.
>>84794689
The art is fine, its just a poor fit for the book, plus it was a fill in issue.
We're looking for bad art, not good art that just doesn't match the story.
>>84781474
Like Rob Liefeld drawing someone holding a gun.
>>84764558
Dean White's colors make magic with Romita's art.
>>84765015
kind of gives me Mike McMahon vibes
>>84796173
>the art is fine
>with those webcomic-tier backgrounds and details[autism]Dude actually gains an extra button on his waistcoat between the second-to-last and last panel.[/autism]
It feels wrong calling him "terrible" but Aruajo on Spidey is just bland as all hell. Something about the posing or layouts or colors feels really blah.
Of course it doesn't help that he had to follow Bradshaw.
>>84765031
Ooga booga booga
>>84779932
>>84785653
Yeah, if you mix realistic digital shading with more stylized art it just ends up looking stupid. If the colors were flat or zanier it'd be cool.
>>84794550
Here you go!
>>84766250
Is that supposed to be Irish dialogue? Because it doesn't read anything like how an actual Irish person would speak.
>>84780599
Worse than Land.
>>84795042
that background is bothering me a lot.
>>84780459
>>84780467
I've been reading old Judge Dredd comics, and man was Dillon's stuff so good back in the day. What happened, man?
>>84796411
>Aruajo
god I fucking hate his art, thank god he is mostly a marvel guy.
>>84780925
>>84780992
>>84780983
>>84783988
>>84796589
this shit is good as fuck, very stylized though. if you're complaining about detail or body ratios you're missing the point of abstract art/comics entirely and should stick to live action.
>>84796351
Oh, an extra button. STOP THE PRESSES!
>>84796635
I think the "Irish" part is that they're all ginger
>>84782874
Olivetti used to be good.
>>84796705
>normal bodies, giant fucking feet
>"its abstract art!"
>>84778915
he is pretty cool when drawgin shit he actually cares, unlike his A-N ultimate art his creator owned and image stuff is great.
>>84793905
that shitty porcelain shading makes it look ugly as sin
>>84765015
Apollo looks like a goddamn senior citizen!
>>84775926
That's the lamest use of "(you)" I've ever seen.
>>84781612
Me too man.
Ramos is a hack
>>84762417
>>84781259
absolute shit taste
>>84782759
what else do you expect from modern capeshit fans?
At least no one has had the gall to talk shit of Frazetta
>>84790241
>90's 2000ad
>based
pick one or get the fuck out faggot
got to find this comic as a kid. About a girl who is a hacker that has the power to jump into the Cyber verse in the future.
even as a kid....it's like...why is her face a bunch of hard lInes like someone stabbed the page randomly.....weird swirls everywhere. wanted to masturbate....couldn't .....too ugly.....
>>84798557
"modern capeshit"
because comics used to look like this, did they?
and when was this?
>>84790547
dillon's fucking great when he wants to be, not his fault you only read marvel or dc shite
>>84798741
The fuck? If yiu had said 2000's 2000ad I'd agree but 90's? Bad? U wot?
>>84781865
lol oh fuck, I spent all this tI me on the chicken!
>>84781878
that's beautiful.....
>>84788547
Her face at least looks awful.
>>84788379
yeah, that's giving the obvious answer. lol
UhuhuUHUHUHHhuh had some of these comics....so many weird teriyaki faces pasted over and over....
>>84765015
>>84790741
wel, that's what the plot of "Frank" is a out, right?
>>84792810
I like that style but something about their torsos seems off.
>>84780346
So basically the art is bad because of the beaten up face? Some things just never look pretty, mate, but the overall style is pretty neat.
>>84796589
It's clearly a self portrait of Miller being gripped by the skull by Dredd.
>this many retards thinking style excuse bad art
How about you fucking faggots don't spew your shitty opinion unless you actually understand a minimal amount about art?
Miller is absolute shit. Humberto Ramos is shit. Romita is quite shit.
If you're one of those that said that Miller's Batman and Superman posted earlier looked great you have the shitiest taste in history, go wash your eyes with bleach.
>>84782932
Gross.
People are talking about Angel? Just look at Wolverine's claws.
>>84795469
Google gave me Max Ride - First Flight, the art on this page looks pretty cool to me too.
The other pages I saw didn't really grab me as much though.
>>84800270
>Romita is quite shit.
Romita is cool if he is not doing the inking and with the right colourist.
>>84800270
and what exactly is good to you, artist boi?
>>84800270
It's because people use the word "art" to describe what's mainly illustrations. I'm not about to claim that comic books/graphic novels can't be art, but what happens in the vast majority of them is not by any reasonable definition "art".
>>84788547
I like Squirrel Girl
Hate the art style
>>84800665
>works in an artistic medium are not by definition art
whether it's good or bad art is of course up for debate but to say comics aren't art is unfounded elitism at best and willfully ignorant at worst
>>84800665
>comics aren't art perse
>a bunch of trash in a museum gets called art
Hitler was the real artist, the holocaust was his biggest work.
>>84800568
Top tier is artists that do their own coloring and are good at it, they understand color theory, shading, lightning, reflex, volume and texture.
Lee Bermejo and Jock are amazing comic book artists. Ross (even if millenials from /co/ meme that he's bad) is a great artist by itself, not exactly perfect for dynamics.
Greg Capullo and Jim Lee have the heavy hatching that people like Miller, Romita and Liefeld try to do, but they actually know what they are doing, for most part. Every line should count and if there's a shitload of lines that don't add shadow, volume or detail, then they are useless and shouldn't be there.
Jeremy Bastian does highly stylized work with abusive details, and it doesn't look like shit, on the contrary.
Dave McKean is like the definition of stylized and abstract, and yet he knows what he is doing, his bodies doesn't look absurd and retarded. One should also note that the setting is what calls for the art. If the story is passing on a regular day, on a regular world, with street level heroes, there's nothing demanding weird contortions of the body, no matter what's your style.
A Serious House on a Serious Earth is an example of proper atmosphere for weird shit.
Daniel LuVisi makes "tacticool" and hyper realist the proper way.
Nebezial knows how to make volume extremely well.
Adam Hughes' faces.
Some faggots were saying that those criticizing the shitty art posted are just shilling "ultra realism" used on modern Marvel books. First off, Marvel doesn't do ultra realism, even Clayton Crain that is good at that is stylized. The "ultra realists" are users of 3d posing programs and users of random rendering into their art. They are also garbage.
Second, that means nothing, you don't need to be realistic to know your anatomy and composition. Perfect example: David Petersen.
>>84768271
Not two jaws, they're the muscles of the face. He fucked up and made it look like a jaw because it's a single line rather than proper shading
>>84800270
I have an education and career in history of art and can firmly call you a fag
>>84804122
No, you don't.
Also
>history of art
Go smoke your weed, you fucking faggot.
>>84804195
pathetic.
Autistic and pathetic.
>>84804302
Can you fuck off, now, aspirant of artist?
>>84803062
>Greg Capullo and Jim Lee have the heavy hatching that people like Miller, Romita and Liefeld try to do
This is incredibly poorly phrased, because it sounds like you're implying that Miller and JRJR have tried to emulate fucking Jim Lee and Greg Capullo
>>84804411
No.
You are welcome to however.
>Top tier is artists that do their own coloring and are good at it, they understand color theory, shading, lightning, reflex, volume and texture.
Miller does exactly that maggot.
>>84804547
He does it badly, you fucking moron.
I bet you're one of those graduates that think people sniffing their assholes in a circle at an art exhibition is good art, because it's expressive.
>>84803062
>All these lies
>All this shitty butchering of the English language
Anon kill your autistic self.
>>84804485
unrelated, but is Daredevil #191 the greatest single issue of all time
>>84804601
No he doesn't you salty little summerfag.
>all this projection
kek, life treat you badly faggot?
>>84804547
he doesn't always color his own work
>>84804675
Your opinion is shit and you have added nothing to this thread. Will you care to explain how Miller is any good or are you just going to state what you think because of nostalgia or whatever your bias is?
>>84804617
I kekd at "lies". Thanks.
>>84804817
are we talking current Miller or pre-9/11 Miller
>>84804625
I think you meant this: >>84803331
But even Daredevil wise I don't think it's a shoe-in for best single issue. If you just want stand-alone stories (dropping the entirety of volume 2), you still have got this guy.
>>84804959
>the best Daredevil issue isn't written by Miller
anon you need to stop
>>84804817
no you.
Literally, you just accused him of trying to mimic Jim Lee, you cannot be this fucking dumb.
>>84805128
No, I really didn't and the fact that you read that makes you clearly mentally challenged.
If you can't comprehend one using examples of something done right to contrast the same thing done bad then I'm afraid you have middle school cognitive functions. Weren't you supposed to be a graduate? American educational system, eh?!
>>84804952
I would like to see someone defending current Miller artwork, just for entertainment value.
>>84796843
sorry
>>84796843
This reminds me of Corben or Eric Powell.
>>84805244
the problem with talking about Miller is that both sides of the argument are talking about a different Miller
then there's a third idiot who brings up Nemesis
>>84780599
Reminds me of all of those terrible 3d porn comics
>>84805198
Hardly my fault you have poor sentence structure maggot.
>American educational system, eh?!
Im not even American, but its now clear that you are not only a retarded autist but a yank also. You should really shoot yourself.
>>84805244
holy terror had damn good art, there was also that catwoman variant a while back
>>84805886
Not even North American. Try again, aspie.
I named good artists that are OBJECTIVELY good. Your concept of good, however, is 100% based on taste, 100% subjective.
I think we're done here, unless you can post good art to prove me wrong.
>>84805919
Holy Terror looks terrible to me, but fine, not gonna argue.
>>84765130
This guy can fuck off because
>>84765417
Is literally Marvel Kino on all scales
>>84805997
if you're saying Jim Lee is objectively good, better than Miller and JRJR, you are thinking in terms of illustration, not comics
you talk about anatomy and coloring and lighting and faces, which are all of course important, but you don't talk about COMICS. Why one panel follows another, the way panels are arranged on a page, the way action is conveyed across multiple panels, how the art supports the story (except for a brief detour to say that more abstract art is inappropriate for a mundane story, which is a matter of opinion)
Comics are not paintings or illustrations, and you need to stop thinking of them in those terms. People on /co/ say Alex Ross and Jim Lee are bad at comics. They are. They can be both a talented illustrator, which they are, and a bad comics artist, which they are.
>>84806555
This thread says it's about bad artwork. Bad artwork gets posted and people throw tantrums saying it's fine.
I don't care about comic structure, I'm talking about artwork and what's bad.
Can Miller structure his story and convey a storyboard with motions and actions? I think TDKR proves he can, but it doesn't mean he DRAWS good.
>>84806695
well he can or at least could, but since you're bringing up TDKR I assume you're talking about his entire body of work, if you'd read Daredevil or Ronin or Wolverine or Sin City or any of the other excellent works he provided excellent artwork for, you would know that
>>84782874
Did GW take legal action? Can they?
>>84762417
looks like someone trying to be Berni Wrightson is all
>>84781653
Why does Spider-Man have anvils for feet?
>>84806555
Jim Lee became a better illustrator and a worse cartoonist over time. I think his Punisher War Journal issues are his best work in terms of visual storytelling, but he was working over layouts for the first couple
>>84808763
Jim Lee is a fine, even good, comics artist when he has someone giving him layouts. Mastermen is good, ASBAR is goodshut up it is, and yeah War Journal is good
it's when he's on his own that things fall apart
>>84808873
ASBAR is enjoyable, something I will read if it's storytimed, but don't want to own. I think it's the perfect example of how Miller sees superheros compared to how most readers do. Zero reverence for the characters, they're just toys for him to play with. I love how mad some people get at it for being too silly
"I'm the goddamn Batman" may be the single greatest line in a DC comic published in the 21 century
>>84795572
IIRC, the art was the only bad bit about that particular story. If you could get past it, it was alright. Just lacked the usual atmosphere and style of a mignola comic.
>>84762417
ITT: artists that certain individuals subjectively dislike.
Except for Deodato, FUCK Deodato with a poser hose.
>>84809099
it's satire of the Batman created by imitators of TDKR and Year One
>>84764558
Yeah no that looks like shit.
Good coloring though.
>>84796238
Is this a kickass/marvel crossover?wasn't the kickass comic printed under a marvel imprint?
>>84778915
This is fanart right?
>>84810196
no, but that looks pretty shitty. His prophet art is a shit ton load times better
>>84781786
Is the glasses guy a hobbit?. Those proportions dont work with that style.
how was this not at the top of the list?
you know, this thread feels like a really good example of why the comic book community is different from the manga comunity.
Over on /a/ there aren't very many things with unique styles. everyone who makes and consumes manga seems to have agreed on a certain plethora of styles that work and not many of them are varied.
Over here, it seems like there are so many different styles, that some people just see them as "bad" artwork, and others really like them. And I think that's a really good thing. It means we haven't stagnated yet.
>>84811524
People in here only call something a style when it's bad because of sentimental attachment.
If an artist never learns or improves, then his art is objectively bad, period.
Someone post Runaways.
>>84764134
>these faces
Does he literally trace all of his art from porn?
>>84787650
What a hack indeed.
>>84793905
This reminds me of his first arc of Invincible Iron Man (where a flip crowd in #2 has weird faces and a fucking copy-pasted iPhone from another issue). Some time later another colorist did flatter colors on Larroca's artwork.
>>84807814
>the inker and colorist ignores that
>>84811673
but there are people like Frank Miller and JRJR who have very distinctive style but were by no means bad who deteriorated over time
although JRJR really knocked it out of the park with The Last Crusade so that seems more like a he had an extended period of not really caring after Spider-man
>>84811287
literally nothing wrong with this
>>84810514
it's a kid
>>84796589
Oh shit, that's his foot
>>84797745
>Apollo
That's a funny way to spell "everyone on that page, especially the geriatric baby."
>>84780058Daddy